1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,720 Welcome back. 2 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:09,520 We are on episode number six of the Dan Time podcast. 3 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:11,960 Hey, I'm your host, Dan McCardell. 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:14,920 And no, this show is not about me. 5 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:20,000 I have probably let too many episodes go by without reminding the listeners, 6 00:00:20,080 --> 00:00:26,560 some of you for the first time, that the goal of this podcast is not to promote 7 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:33,400 me, it is to bring you impactful people, interesting people who have done things, 8 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:35,920 are doing things and have a story to tell. 9 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:40,240 So just in case you were wondering, because it might look like a vanity 10 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:42,720 exercise on my part and it's not. 11 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,800 If you'll notice these intros, I try to keep them short and get 12 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:48,080 straight to the conversation. 13 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:55,880 Now I have largely achieved my goal of introducing Dan after Dan and a Danny. 14 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,760 And maybe there was going to be a Daniel or another Dan. 15 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:05,000 We've done a lot of those in a row enough, I think that we can begin to 16 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:06,240 introduce some different names. 17 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:07,080 It's okay. 18 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:07,760 It's fine. 19 00:01:08,320 --> 00:01:16,640 And this week we get back to a non Dan, but someone who knows me very well and 20 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:18,760 has a great story to share today. 21 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:23,600 I'm really happy and excited to bring to you my conversation with Chris Furmeister. 22 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:26,240 Chris and I go back many, many years. 23 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:30,120 His career in journalism goes back about 20 years close to it. 24 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:34,760 Chris reports on the residential real estate and restaurant industries 25 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:36,520 for the Atlanta business Chronicle. 26 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,600 He's been in that role for almost the past four years. 27 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:44,760 Prior to that, he was an editor with Eater Atlanta, writing breaking news 28 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:50,440 stories and feature stories covering nightlife and restaurants, technology, 29 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:51,200 politics. 30 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:57,440 Chris was also the managing editor for the official Auburn blog at SB Nation. 31 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:03,480 Ours is a friendship that many of you can probably relate to where you got to dial 32 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:07,880 back to your early twenties, mid twenties, different time in your life, 33 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:09,160 across roads, perhaps. 34 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:13,320 But you found someone who you like to joke around with. 35 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:14,880 They made you laugh. 36 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:15,840 You made them laugh. 37 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:20,440 You like to hang out together and you just kept the line open. 38 00:02:20,920 --> 00:02:26,760 You know, networking is all about keeping the line open with people who are 39 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:32,600 interested in you for you, not because of the car you drive or the house you live 40 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:39,200 in or the stuff that you have or how appealing you are at any given time to 41 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:40,280 anybody else. 42 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:45,400 They like you because you guys have a connection and they're interested in 43 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,960 your success and vice versa. 44 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:52,520 I would of course appreciate if after listening to this episode, you download 45 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:57,200 and subscribe to Dan Time on whichever platform you listen to so you don't miss 46 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:58,640 an episode as they come out. 47 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,400 The Dan Time podcast now has an official YouTube channel. 48 00:03:02,640 --> 00:03:04,000 Check us out on YouTube. 49 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:08,400 That's where you can find all the Friday challenge videos in every episode. 50 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:12,600 All right. Let's go now to my conversation with Chris Furmeister. 51 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:14,440 Chris, how's it going, man? 52 00:03:14,640 --> 00:03:15,920 D-Mac. Good to be here. 53 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,840 I think that's the first time I've heard D-Mac and, um, well, probably since our 54 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,080 annual Blue Wahoos game. 55 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:23,320 Yeah. Down at the ballpark. 56 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,920 Chris, this is just great to reconnect with you. 57 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:32,000 Not too many months go by without a text message about a ballgame or a current 58 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:33,320 event of some sort. 59 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:38,400 This is, as I alluded to, just a dear old friend of mine, Chris Furmeister. 60 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:43,200 And I'm just super excited to have you on the show today, Chris. 61 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,200 Yeah. I mean, seriously, thanks for having me. 62 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,600 It's, uh, we do connect over the text message. 63 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,640 That's our, I guess, our most common connection. 64 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:56,000 But yeah, I like it when we're able to get together down at a Blue Wahoos game 65 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:57,000 down at the ballpark. 66 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:58,360 So I'm beautiful. 67 00:03:58,360 --> 00:03:58,800 What is that? 68 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:00,120 Is that on Pensacola Bay? 69 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:00,640 Yep. 70 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:04,120 Pensacola Bay. 71 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:06,520 I'm fortunate to have the in-laws down there. 72 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:10,080 So make a trip down to D-Mac world once or twice a year. 73 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:10,640 Yeah. 74 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,120 It's a, it's a destination ballpark for sure. 75 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:17,000 If you're a fan of baseball or if you're just a fan of, I mean, minor league 76 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,840 baseball, Chris, I think we've talked about this for a long time. 77 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:21,680 It's always been pretty affordable. 78 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:26,000 Even if you've got one kid or three kids to just go out and have a great time, 79 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:30,600 you can usually find, and I don't know if this is true of every city, but street 80 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:35,080 parking, if you want to save on parking, you can eat at home before you go out. 81 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:38,240 If you don't want to spend a lot on food, it's a pretty good bang for the buck. 82 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:39,200 It's so good. 83 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:43,560 It's, it's, you know, you can get out in and out for like 20 bucks, maybe all in. 84 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:47,600 Uh, if you're just by yourself, maybe a little more of your, if you're feeding 85 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:51,760 the kids, it's definitely cheaper than your, than your major league event. 86 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:56,760 But have you, have you, uh, seen the news about the Wahoos stadium becoming 87 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:58,720 a, a possible Airbnb rental? 88 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,600 Have you, have you considered maybe spending the night there sometime? 89 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:03,840 I did hear about that. 90 00:05:03,840 --> 00:05:07,920 And, um, it's been, uh, it's been a while since I've thought about 91 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:09,600 possibly doing something like that. 92 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,520 I mean, that's, man, I guess you got to throw it on the bucket list. 93 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,840 You can get you and 90 or pals. 94 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,760 Um, it says there's one bedroom, but 10 beds. 95 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,440 I think that means that there's 10 beds in the clubhouse. 96 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:25,640 Um, and it's only, you know, $5,143 a night. 97 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:30,120 So maybe split that 10 ways seems like a pretty reasonable, uh, 98 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:31,840 time out at the old ballpark. 99 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:34,160 I wonder what kind of damage waiver. 100 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,240 I don't know what their insurance policy is. 101 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:41,280 I mean, we've got a fantasy football league of me and nine other guys. 102 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,120 I'm sure there's, there's been a group like that. 103 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:48,120 I mean, can you get your draft, you know, the computer screen of your 104 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:52,720 draft, just up on the scoreboard and you can have your fantasy draft at the 105 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,800 Y who's stadium, maybe you're dispersed throughout the ballpark and the 106 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,680 bleachers, maybe you're all lined up on the field together. 107 00:05:58,680 --> 00:05:59,680 Maybe you're in the dugout. 108 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:00,240 I don't know. 109 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:01,600 I mean, it seems like a pretty good time. 110 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:02,400 Yeah. 111 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,400 This is dream world type stuff. 112 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:13,800 Chris, I think it was, if I'm doing the math about 17 years ago in August that 113 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:19,200 we first met first became friends at the old Birmingham news building, which 114 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,400 if I remember correctly, and I don't know how long this was going on throughout 115 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,560 that summer, but there was no air conditioning. 116 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:26,240 No, no AC. 117 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:27,600 I started that year. 118 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:32,600 Uh, I think I started about six months before you in, I think it was February. 119 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:36,680 It was, it was nice and warm and toasty during the winter time, but during, uh, 120 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,360 during the summer months, it got pretty hot. 121 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,920 I remember there were air conditioning units in the building. 122 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:46,480 Um, and they showed the temperature next to the unit and the temperature 123 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:50,000 was regularly in the, in the eighties. 124 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:54,640 And that's, you know, directly next to the, to the unit that is blowing cold air. 125 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,800 So it was, they call it the old building for a reason, I guess. 126 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:01,520 Yeah. 127 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:07,920 They moved to the new building, which sadly they're gone from the new building now. 128 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:08,960 Yeah. 129 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:10,680 Not a long run at the new building. 130 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:16,840 Um, and I'm sure that's true of other municipalities around that time period. 131 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:22,560 If you, if you look at the first three or four or five years of the 21st 132 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:28,000 century before the market turn, I mean, there's so much optimism carrying over 133 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:32,880 from the nineties and, um, the success of the tech industry. 134 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:34,240 And then it just, wow. 135 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:39,160 I mean, I'm sure a lot of investments were made in similar facilities only 136 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,560 to have it come crashing down a few short years later. 137 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:43,120 Yeah. 138 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:47,680 Nobody, uh, nobody figured that the internet would have any sort of significant 139 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:52,280 impact on the, on the newspaper industry and how newspapers make money. 140 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:54,680 Turns out it was a decent impact. 141 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:59,720 Well, it wasn't long after September 2008 that, that I left the Birmingham news. 142 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:04,520 And now you stayed through the transition from the print operation 143 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,600 to the mostly digital operation. 144 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:12,240 What are your, what are some takeaways from how it once was to 145 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,400 that transition into how it is today? 146 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:18,040 And are there things that you miss or are you pretty much on board with the 147 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:23,040 way we produce journalism and how consumers watch and read? 148 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:30,600 It was definitely the early days of the Birmingham news and, and AL.com, which 149 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,160 is probably the more known publication at this point. 150 00:08:33,560 --> 00:08:36,120 Um, those were the early days of embracing the internet. 151 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:41,400 I, I don't think that really most of us had much to do with actually putting 152 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:42,120 things online. 153 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:45,880 I think I remember it was Mike Perrin was like our digital guy. 154 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:50,760 He was the one seemed to be responsible for collecting everything that went into 155 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,000 the newspaper and putting it up on the internet. 156 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:57,760 But I, you know, these days, I mean, I am actually working for a publication 157 00:08:57,760 --> 00:08:59,480 now that has a print product. 158 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:04,120 So print does still exist, but obviously you can't really turn back the clock 159 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,160 and turn back the influence of the internet. 160 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:10,200 I mean, it's, it makes total sense to have everything as a, as a digital 161 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:11,920 first publication these days. 162 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:16,360 I mean, I just remember I worked at the news for, for five years. 163 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:23,080 It seems like every six months or so, the actual physical newspaper itself, not 164 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:27,160 the number of pages, but the, the sheets of paper would just get smaller and 165 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:34,000 smaller and smaller until it was getting down to being close to CVS receipt size. 166 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:39,160 Yeah. And, um, when you hold both hands out to hold a newspaper, I mean, the 167 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:45,400 way that somebody would have done that in the, even in the early mid 1990s is 168 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,200 drastically different than how it was. 169 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,840 And I mean, the few papers you can get your hands on now, a few daily papers. 170 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,160 I don't know how many copy inches we've lost. 171 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:55,720 Yeah. 172 00:09:55,960 --> 00:10:00,160 I mean, if you were sitting in a park on a bench, trying to, trying to 173 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:04,560 spy on somebody, you just, you didn't, didn't have enough, enough paper to be 174 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,000 peering up over it, it wasn't going to hide your face. 175 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:08,320 You're going to be getting away. 176 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:10,440 You used to be able to really obscure yourself. 177 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,600 Those days are over, you know, wrapping your fish, putting your, uh, you 178 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:17,240 know, training your training, your puppy. 179 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,320 You're just, you're going through a lot more paper for those things. 180 00:10:20,560 --> 00:10:24,800 Chris, you and I both, um, and one of the reasons we've become great friends 181 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,160 is we're just huge sports fans. 182 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:32,480 And, uh, earlier in your career, you reported a course on Auburn football 183 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:36,400 for SB nation and, um, covered some other sports as well. 184 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:38,200 What, what do you enjoy the most? 185 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:42,200 I know that right now in your current role with the Atlanta business 186 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:46,480 Chronicle, you know, you're mostly covering it's real estate, the food industry. 187 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,080 Do you have two loves at the same time or is sports just, 188 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:56,960 I mean, so in terms of, you know, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, 189 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:02,360 the coverage and, you know, professional work I've, well, I do, you know, some, 190 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:06,160 some real estate stuff now, but it's mostly been my career has been some 191 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:08,720 sports writing and then uncovering the restaurant industry. 192 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:14,600 And it's, it's kind of, I think that they impact my interests in those things, 193 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:15,800 um, in two different ways. 194 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:19,440 Cause I love sports, obviously, as you mentioned, um, I do consider 195 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:20,760 myself a bit of a gourmand. 196 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:21,440 I love to cook. 197 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:21,920 I love to eat. 198 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:23,200 I love going to restaurants. 199 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:28,400 Working in sports kind of always took away the enjoyment of sports 200 00:11:28,560 --> 00:11:30,200 because it really did make it work. 201 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:34,280 You know, you don't really get to, to crack a few cold ones during a game. 202 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:39,440 If you're having to cover that game, not, not quite as a fun of an adventure. 203 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:44,040 It is a fulfilling definitely, but, but it definitely takes the fun out of it. 204 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:48,440 Whereas covering restaurants, I mean, that tends to mean that I'm just going 205 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:52,080 to be talking to more restaurant people, maybe going to restaurants more, 206 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:55,000 trying to find out what's going on in the industry and the local scene. 207 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:59,200 So it actually kind of adds to my enjoyment of, of eating and 208 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:00,680 dining and all that stuff. 209 00:12:00,680 --> 00:12:04,080 So they definitely, they definitely have different, different impacts on 210 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,280 my, on my interests in those, those things. 211 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:11,640 I like how you put that because when we were younger in our early twenties, 212 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:15,720 it's hard not to dream of a career in sports journalism. 213 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:20,920 But speaking for myself, I know as I've gotten older, it's probably as nice 214 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:26,720 for you to just be able to enjoy games and not have any other stake in them or 215 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:32,520 not have to treat your hobby as an assignment and how covering the, the 216 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:38,000 restaurant industry is more enjoyable because it's, it's just a little different, 217 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:43,360 I guess, than being a sports viewer and someone that wants to keep up with all 218 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:47,000 the intricacies of sports as opposed to writing about it. 219 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:52,880 Sometimes there's some other podcasts I listen to sports podcasts and there 220 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:58,680 are times where the, the hosts sound like they, they're delivering great 221 00:12:58,680 --> 00:13:03,720 information and like the Chicago Cubs, for instance, but it sounds like, wow, 222 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:08,360 they are just burning the midnight oil at how could you possibly enjoy 223 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:09,680 every pitch of the game? 224 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:12,360 Yeah, absolutely. 225 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,480 I mean, I, you know, I covered, I think I was in the middle of a 226 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:19,440 football season, but I, you know, I covered Atlanta United, our local 227 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:23,160 major league soccer team here in Atlanta for a season a few years ago. 228 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:27,360 That's really my only experience being an actual beat writer for a team. 229 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:33,400 It is a grind game days are you're going to be there at least a couple 230 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:40,160 hours before the game and you are at the stadium long after, long after all 231 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:44,400 the fans have left, you are, you're down in the bowels of the stadium doing the, 232 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,680 you're going into the locker room, talking to the players, you've got to get back 233 00:13:47,680 --> 00:13:52,080 and you've got to write stuff, which trying to try to write something that 234 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:56,280 has all the, all the information that you want in and is also, you know, 235 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,080 well written and something that you would like to put out in the world. 236 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:03,760 It's kind of tough when you're, you know, on hour eight and it's maybe 237 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:08,800 midnight and it's something where obviously sports writing is a dream and 238 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,720 yeah, you shouldn't complain about it, but, but it is, it is harder work 239 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,520 for them than I think maybe a lot of people realize. 240 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:16,840 Yeah. 241 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:21,240 I think the, the best of the best probably just make it look easy. 242 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:27,000 But like, like you said, I mean, they're not getting to really watch and absorb 243 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:31,680 the ball games the same way that the sports fan on their couch is getting to 244 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:36,680 do and you're up early and up late, not joining your wife for dinner and that 245 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:37,320 sort of thing. 246 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:42,120 Chris, I want to transition really quick to your role, your current role with 247 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:47,120 the Atlanta business Chronicle, specifically some of the impacts of the 248 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:52,840 pandemic and what you've seen out there with, with entrepreneurs that have had 249 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:58,320 to open restaurants and then shutter the doors in a, I don't know, 18 month 250 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,080 to your span, you've had to see a lot of that. 251 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:04,320 I'm sure that's pretty emotional obviously for those folks involved. 252 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:09,840 Yeah, it's, there's probably not been a more difficult time for, for restaurant 253 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:13,920 owners, really for a lot of business owners or, or just business people in 254 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:19,120 general, but that was pretty unprecedented back in 2020 going into 2021, especially 255 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:23,080 there were, I think in the state of Georgia, there were thousands of 256 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:28,080 restaurants that closed, but there's been a lot that have opened the industry 257 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:33,040 has been, I think more resilient, resilient to them than I expected it to be. 258 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:37,840 And I think it kind of gets down to the fact that restaurant owners, 259 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,720 restaurateurs are exactly, as you said, they're entrepreneurs. 260 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:45,920 And so they, they tend to, to find ways to make it work and figure out a 261 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:47,840 way to, to keep things going. 262 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,000 And if, you know, if they do have to shut the door on, on one thing, you 263 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,440 know, they might, they might try again down the road. 264 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:57,920 There's been a lot of, a lot of innovation in the industry, you know, a 265 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:01,000 lot of figuring out new ways to serve people. 266 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:05,760 Whether that's in the restaurant itself or in new delivery models, new takeout 267 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:11,080 models, there's been, you know, I know that like in Atlanta, at least we've 268 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:16,960 had new city laws changed where, where you can, you can take a cocktail to go. 269 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,480 You can get a cocktail or a beer or a glass of wine or something in your 270 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:23,040 takeout order, for example, I mean, just like these, these little things to help 271 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:27,160 keep, keep restaurants going when we're at their, really on their knees. 272 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:33,320 So it's obviously been extremely tough, but a lot of restaurant owners are, are 273 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,600 figuring out a way to, to get through it. 274 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:44,080 And, you also reported on downtown Atlanta, basically transforming from 275 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:51,040 just that office business only, I wouldn't say sterile look and feel to 276 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:57,040 more of an entertainment district or more of a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, 277 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:58,840 a, a, a vast entertainment district. 278 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:03,840 How has that been unfolding here the past few years that, you know, that we're 279 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:08,360 kind of getting some, some distance from COVID and, and the restrictions 280 00:17:08,360 --> 00:17:09,440 and all that sort of thing. 281 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:10,440 Yeah. 282 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:16,880 It's, I'm sure that you probably had the same sort of perception of Atlanta that, 283 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:21,080 that I did, you know, growing up in Birmingham and you, you would probably 284 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:25,120 make it over to Atlanta for, for maybe a Braves game if the Cubs were in town or 285 00:17:25,120 --> 00:17:28,320 maybe there was a concert or something, or, you know, maybe you were going to go 286 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:30,720 see Alabama play in the SEC championship game. 287 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:35,200 I know that those were the kinds of events that brought me to Atlanta, 288 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,560 though it would be Auburn and the SEC championship game, obviously. 289 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:43,520 But if you're that kind of person, you know, you, you go, the event is downtown. 290 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:48,160 You're probably going to stay somewhere downtown and Atlanta is actually a pretty 291 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:54,280 vibrant city and just about all of that vibrancy is outside of the actual 292 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:59,880 downtown core and it's something that I know business leaders here and, and, you 293 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:03,440 know, city planner type folks, city government folks have been wanting 294 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:07,080 change and there has been a lot of development interest down there. 295 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,760 It has, you know, there's been momentum. 296 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:16,240 It's, it's hit some snags this year with, with obviously the current interest 297 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:19,720 rate climate, you know, financing for construction and development has 298 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:20,840 gotten a lot more difficult. 299 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:24,240 And some projects that were in the works have, have been put on hold. 300 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:30,800 But it is, it does feel like that there's at least, you know, the idea of 301 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:36,560 momentum to, to really sort of revitalize downtown within the next few years. 302 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:40,080 There are, there are some grand plans in the works that haven't really been there. 303 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:42,320 You know, at any point in the past. 304 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:43,480 Yeah. 305 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:45,200 And I was recently in Atlanta. 306 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:49,240 We didn't get to catch up because I was only there for one night, but went to the 307 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:51,480 battery and truest park. 308 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,480 I mean, just what an electric atmosphere. 309 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:56,720 I know the, the Braves are red hot. 310 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:58,400 So that's part of it. 311 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:02,000 I mean, the fans are just ecstatic about what's going on with the team. 312 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:07,600 Speak about the battery and how that that's kind of the new prototype for 313 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:12,520 major league baseball and maybe other sports, maybe what fans seem to want 314 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:17,560 out of their experience and what you might see in new ball parks being built 315 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:19,280 in the next 10 or so years. 316 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:20,600 Yeah. 317 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:26,440 I think any new ballpark stadium, arena, whatever, for, for any sport, basically 318 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,040 any, at any point going forward, that's, that is the model. 319 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:36,480 You want to build in all this entertainment around the actual venue itself so that 320 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:42,760 there's revenue for the team before the game, after the game, even not on game 321 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:43,000 days. 322 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,960 I mean, the Braves make so much money off of all the stuff that's going on up there. 323 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:47,840 So it's great for them. 324 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:51,360 I mean, obviously I, you know, I live a little further south of that. 325 00:19:51,360 --> 00:19:52,600 I'm in the city. 326 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:54,040 I'm over here in East Atlanta. 327 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:56,840 So I was, I was pretty disappointed when they left. 328 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:01,240 I actually, the day that we found out we were moving to Atlanta was the day that 329 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,600 the Braves announced that they would leave downtown Atlanta and move out to 330 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:05,160 the Burbs. 331 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,120 So I was pretty disappointed in that. 332 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,800 We got a, we got a couple of years with, with the Braves still playing at the 333 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:15,600 Ted, you know, the old Turner field, which I loved, like it was great. 334 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:20,640 But I, yeah, I've been to the battery a few times more for, uh, working things. 335 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:24,480 Um, I actually have yet to go to a Braves game at the battery. 336 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,680 So I'm, I'm well overdue, I guess. 337 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:32,560 You know, I, what I must say, and this is just maybe me showing my age, but I 338 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,480 went to a number of games at Turner field. 339 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:39,600 And once you were inside that ballpark, I know there wasn't a lot outside the park, 340 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:44,800 but the games and the experience there was pretty spectacular. 341 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:49,120 I mean, I saw a couple of playoff games there and it wasn't a whole lot wrong, in 342 00:20:49,120 --> 00:20:53,640 my opinion, with just the experience inside the park, but I know that the 343 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:59,160 consumers, sports consumers and, uh, you know, your family, there's probably a 344 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,960 lot of people going to Braves games who are not watching to see if there's going 345 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:03,880 to be a hit and run. 346 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,040 And so they need a lot more entertainment. 347 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:11,280 There's a lot of stuff for the kids, but I, I'm kind of a little old school. 348 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:17,160 I'm, I listened to a podcast recently about mall parks, M-A-L-L, uh, the first 349 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:18,600 time I've heard that term being used. 350 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:23,240 And I guess that's referring to the battery and what we're probably going to 351 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,840 see more of, and again, it's, it's very exciting. 352 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:30,640 It's good for the whole family, but I'm a huge baseball fan. 353 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,480 I love the game itself. 354 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:37,520 So I don't, I don't really need all of that going on, but I think that for a lot 355 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:43,200 of franchises who are coming up on a, do have an old ballpark, they're probably 356 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:44,240 going to move in that direction. 357 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:44,960 Yeah. 358 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:45,720 And I'm with you. 359 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,680 I'm more old school in my mindset, uh, as well. 360 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,560 I mean, you know, my favorite, my favorite ballpark is Rickwood field, which. 361 00:21:53,120 --> 00:21:58,640 That's about as bare bones as it gets, you know, purely baseball centric. 362 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:02,120 There is no other entertainment whatsoever, unless you want to go like 363 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,800 throw some of the gravel in the parking lot around or something, but, but it is, 364 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:07,880 I mean, you can't argue with success. 365 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,680 And I mean, the Braves have had tons of success with that model. 366 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:15,560 I know there's been, um, they've done a similar development, I think, out, 367 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,440 uh, it used to be the staple center. 368 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:22,240 I think it was renamed to a cryptocurrency firm and has maybe been renamed since 369 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,360 then, but you know, where the Lakers and the Clippers play, they, they built up a 370 00:22:25,360 --> 00:22:28,640 big development around that to do a similar sort of thing. 371 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:32,240 Um, you gotta, there's a lot of revenue streams out there. 372 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:33,480 Maybe they figured that out. 373 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:34,600 Yeah. 374 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,720 Yeah. I talk about the Rickwood classic. 375 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:43,520 Um, I've posted about it on the Dan time Twitter page and you and I have been to 376 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:48,000 at least a couple of those Rickwood classics together, Chris, there is just 377 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:54,360 nothing like a ball game where there's, there's no dizzy bat race, there's no 378 00:22:54,880 --> 00:23:01,360 zany PA announcements, there's no modern music, there's a jazz band. 379 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:02,760 That's your only music. 380 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,800 It's just, there's an old jazz band behind home plate. 381 00:23:06,120 --> 00:23:10,040 I mean, folks, if you've never been and you're, and you love baseball, you're 382 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,360 literally going to feel like you've been transported back in time. 383 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,840 I can only imagine that's what it was like watching a game in the 384 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,200 1950s or sixties or earlier. 385 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,640 And, you know, we're just, you're never going to see that again. 386 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,360 It's a big, big production these days. 387 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:28,440 And a lot of district, even when you're just trying to watch the middle of one 388 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,640 inning, there's a lot of stuff going on. 389 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:34,600 So depending on where you're sitting, it'd be very easy to lose track of the 390 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:35,160 gameplay. 391 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:35,920 Yeah. 392 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:39,000 At Rickwood, you're not going to, there's not going to be a foul ball that goes 393 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:39,720 out of the stadium. 394 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,600 And then you hear the sound effect of a car window being smashed to come over 395 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:44,400 the PA system. 396 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:45,800 They don't have that there. 397 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:50,960 That's it's a, I mean, you, you watch a game at Rickwood and you feel like you 398 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,920 are in an early episode of Ken Burns baseball. 399 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:59,080 I mean, it's, you really do feel that step back into time. 400 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,280 Chris, I'm going to start careening off a cliff here. 401 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:06,400 I've got a few questions and we might recover or we might just stay in, um, 402 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:07,360 Bizarro world. 403 00:24:07,360 --> 00:24:08,000 I'm not sure. 404 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:14,080 I guess about 15 years ago, you wrote a, a hot corner of, I don't know what the 405 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,240 last time you heard that phrase. 406 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:18,800 About 15 years. 407 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,240 Folks, when we worked together, this was quite a privilege. 408 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:24,960 It was kind of a new thing. 409 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,800 Also, we get to write fantasy baseball advice. 410 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:33,840 A stardom and sit them section that would appear alongside the, the game capsules. 411 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:40,560 But the reason I bring this up, Chris is a hot, a hot corner, 2008 on Zach Grinke. 412 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:46,560 Not really important that you said stardom or sit him, but Chris, Zach is 413 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:50,760 still in uniform in major league baseball for the Kansas city back with the Kansas 414 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,880 city Royals, but I got to get your thoughts on this. 415 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,480 This man is, has a record of one and 14. 416 00:24:58,080 --> 00:24:59,520 Is it time for Zach to hang it up? 417 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,480 Well, if the Royals are still starting them and they're still, uh, signing the 418 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,080 paychecks, then he's still got the love of the game in him. 419 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:08,840 And then I don't know why it would. 420 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,480 He's obviously eating innings. 421 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:11,640 Somebody's got to do it. 422 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,800 I don't know that they have any other better options. 423 00:25:16,120 --> 00:25:17,640 It's been quite a career for Gricky. 424 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,080 I mean, he's, he's going on what? 425 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:19,840 20 years now. 426 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,840 What are your, in general, what are your thoughts on this? 427 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:27,880 Professional athlete hanging around, as they say, long past his prime. 428 00:25:28,360 --> 00:25:30,640 Are you okay with it in all instances? 429 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:31,920 Do they need to shut it down? 430 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,280 I think it depends on the situation. 431 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:40,200 I think that in most situations, somebody who's hanging around, if they're still, 432 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,960 I mean, maybe Zach Grinke is an exception here because one and 14, it's not a great 433 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:49,480 record, but in most situations, if they're hanging around, that means somebody's 434 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,400 still, still signing up for the paychecks. 435 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,120 Somebody's still, still signing them. 436 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:54,760 So they've still got something to offer. 437 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:59,400 So, you know, keep, keep on keeping on until, until that door closes. 438 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:04,440 The only problem is, is that when it's, when you get maybe an aging superstar who 439 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:12,000 is maybe beloved by the fans and really hangs around past, past their prime and 440 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:16,400 they're not contributing, but the, but maybe the team feels like they, we, we 441 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:17,120 can't let them go. 442 00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:20,280 We can't, we can't cut them because like the fans upset. 443 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:24,000 That's really the only time that it, that it can be a problem for anybody. 444 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:24,480 I think. 445 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:30,960 Chris, are you in favor of bringing back the player manager to major league baseball? 446 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:32,800 I would love to see the player manager. 447 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:38,720 I think that's a, the manager can't rely on, if his players aren't getting it done 448 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:43,400 and he needs to get out there and do it himself, then he needs to have that power 449 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:43,840 to do it. 450 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,240 You got to take matters into your own hands. 451 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,080 Now I'm really going to be shooting off into some pretty strange directions here, 452 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:56,320 but Chris, your patience level, patience level for slow moving pedestrians at big 453 00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:01,680 box stores, walking from the parking lot into the store and causing you to, to 454 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:02,720 wait a little while. 455 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,560 Uh, I can lose my patience on that. 456 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:11,320 It, uh, I try, that's something that I, you know, as I've gotten older, I, I 457 00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:15,320 recognize my, you know, my strengths and my faults and getting a little bit of a 458 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:16,720 hot temper out of nowhere. 459 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,920 Um, getting really annoyed about something that probably I shouldn't get too 460 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,120 annoyed about that could be one of those things. 461 00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:27,720 So I try to, I try to not to get upset, but if I'm having a not great day or 462 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,040 something, then yeah, I mean, I'm not going to yell at him or anything, but I'll 463 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,560 definitely be sighing and muttering under my breath. 464 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:40,680 When you are picking up food to bring home or running through the drive through, 465 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:47,600 does it bother you when a bag of food is handed over to you, but it does not come 466 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,160 with a thanks, have a great night. 467 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:51,320 Thanks. 468 00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:56,320 We appreciate you just the handing over the bag, no eye contact, maybe. 469 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:57,840 And just here you are. 470 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,200 Or do you just take the bag and go? 471 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:07,200 I think I tend to, I sort of flipped the, that situation on its head and I really 472 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,760 just, I lean into it and I've taken the bag and I'm like really forcing the eye 473 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,200 contact and I'm saying, thank you. 474 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:14,400 I hope you have a great day. 475 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,280 And it's sort of, I create the, uh, the moment. 476 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:18,360 I love it. 477 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:24,720 Chris, if you and your wife are walking down the street and it's pouring down 478 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:30,200 rain, or maybe it's, it's stopped raining, but it's been raining and you're about to 479 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,800 go over a crosswalk and there's a giant puddle. 480 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:34,440 There it is. 481 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:39,120 Is there ever a time where you would take off your jacket and throw it in that 482 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,680 puddle for your wife to walk on? 483 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,600 I realized the answer should probably be yes to this. 484 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:50,680 And I apologize to Sally if she's listening, but I mean, you know, first of all, 485 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,760 though, I I'm not, I'm usually not prepared when I'm walking in a rainstorm. 486 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:59,200 I usually don't have a rain jacket on, so there's really not going to be the option. 487 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,640 And, you know, Sally is usually more prepared than me and she's typically 488 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,640 wearing rain boots if it's raining outside. 489 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,480 So I think that she's covered and I'm going to be the one who's soaked anyway. 490 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:17,680 Chris, when you've got, when you've got one attempt left at guessing one of your 491 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:22,200 passwords on one of your bill pay sites, and you're just thinking what in the world 492 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:27,000 is it, I mean, I got the same variation of, of this password, what's going on? 493 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,440 Here are you, you're down to one shot. 494 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,840 Are you going for all the marbles or are you throwing in the towel and hitting 495 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,000 that reset password link? 496 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:37,680 Oh, I'm resetting the password. 497 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:39,240 Don't take a chance. 498 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:40,280 Yeah. 499 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:41,360 You can't, you can't do it. 500 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,520 It's just, it's not worth, not worth the pain. 501 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,160 I don't want to be locked out for eight hours or however long it's going to be. 502 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:48,600 You really don't. 503 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:49,880 It's not a good move. 504 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:51,960 Cause then I'm going to forget to pay that bill. 505 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,080 So that's just my fan, my fan. 506 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,000 Financial life is going to be in ruin. 507 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:58,520 One more silly question. 508 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:04,880 I've, I've never actually gotten down into silly season and then climbed back out of it. 509 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,480 But I, I'm going to try to ask one more just junk question. 510 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:09,920 Well, it's not junk. 511 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,040 This is important stuff. 512 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:12,720 Give yourself some credit D Mac. 513 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:19,240 All right, Chris, when you are applying the toothpaste on your toothbrush, are 514 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:23,400 you going for one dab or are you just putting a messy glob on there that's just 515 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:30,000 going to somehow stay on the brush or are you trying to get that perfect toothpaste 516 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:34,920 spread like you might see in the old Aqua Fresh commercial with the hook on it or 517 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,040 whatever you call it, what's your style? 518 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,040 So I have a, an electric toothbrush. 519 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:42,640 It's got that little round head. 520 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:48,000 So I don't, I don't have the opportunity to, to do the, the Aqua Fresh sort of 521 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:53,560 the Aqua Fresh sort of spread and, and lifted off the little peak, the stiff peak 522 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,640 there at the end, uh, it's more of, more of a dollop. 523 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,440 Um, what I find that tends to be annoying is that I start brushing my teeth and it's 524 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:07,400 like the little blob of toothpaste flies off into my mouth and it's like, it's just 525 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:08,960 sitting there and not getting dissolved. 526 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:13,160 So I really, I work really hard to make sure that that the toothpaste gets really 527 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:18,160 dissolved and frothy before, before I really get into the, into the hard work 528 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:19,320 of brushing my teeth. 529 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:21,520 That's a, that's a great strategy. 530 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:22,560 Yeah. 531 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,280 Chris, I got to ask, this is me climbing back up out of the gutter. 532 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,680 You got to be a dad along with your career. 533 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:31,760 You work really hard. 534 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:38,640 Are there times where your work is calling on you over a certain period of time of 535 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:43,760 the day or the evening and your daughter would really love to have your attention 536 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,680 and you just can't give it to her. 537 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:50,160 How does it go with saying, Hey, hang on, give me another 30 minutes, give me another 538 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:51,520 hour and I'll be right there. 539 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,480 How does that go over in the Furmeister household? 540 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,640 Well, I think it probably goes about as same in my household as it 541 00:31:58,640 --> 00:31:59,640 does in most households. 542 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,240 I'm sure that you know how it goes. 543 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:07,400 It's a, you know, I might go back to our little home office that we have and try 544 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,880 to do some work in there, but I don't think that door locks. 545 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:16,680 So there's an exercise bike in there that, you know, my daughter will, will come 546 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,840 in and really start climbing all over the exercise bike, which she never does it any 547 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:21,320 other time. 548 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,320 It's only, only if I'm back there working. 549 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:29,080 So she's, she, you know, she understands that I need to be working, but she really 550 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:30,080 just can't help herself. 551 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:30,880 Right. 552 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,440 They, they can't at a certain age. 553 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,760 Chris, I can relate at my house as well. 554 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:43,480 Do you have any advice for young dads or really any dad that's got a three year 555 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,040 old, a five year old, a seven year old. 556 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:52,680 And I mean, they really test your last nerve, but just to do what you do, be 557 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,320 great at what you do, but also have fun being a dad. 558 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,400 I mean, cause it can get, it could get really stressful, really annoying. 559 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:05,000 With these little monsters, but are you still able to, to just have fun with your 560 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:05,360 child? 561 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:12,000 So I will admit that having one child, I think it makes it easier for me to, to 562 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,760 have fun and not be as stressed. 563 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,000 I would, I would think with three children, there might be a little more 564 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:21,520 stress, um, than, than fun, though I'm sure there is still fun in there in that 565 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:22,280 situation. 566 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:28,600 I would, I, it, you know, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would 567 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:32,520 always, you always got to remember that your kids are going to remember what, 568 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:37,040 what their childhood was like, like what your, your parenting is going to mold 569 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,120 them and make them into, into who they are. 570 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:43,920 Um, but in terms of, you know, if you're dealing with stress, and for me, this was 571 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:49,240 much more when, when my daughter was, was a newborn and an infant and those, those 572 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:54,480 probably that first year or so I sort of always, I just tried to stay on an even 573 00:33:54,480 --> 00:34:00,920 keel when, when times were tough and when I was really peak stress, um, I would 574 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:05,560 just try to tell myself, you know, this is going to get better at some point. 575 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,400 Whatever is going on right now will end and things will get better. 576 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:10,600 I can get through this. 577 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,840 And when times would be really great, I would definitely enjoy it. 578 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,000 Um, but I would also say, you know, it's great. 579 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:19,160 It's not going to be great forever. 580 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,120 It's going to be stressful again at some point, like be okay. 581 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,640 It gets stressful again, um, cause it will. 582 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,400 So it's really, it's really about staying on an even keel. 583 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,320 I think that's really great advice for me. 584 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,880 I know that the cliche take it day by day. 585 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:39,680 It's, it really applies because like you said, today might be just wonderful. 586 00:34:39,720 --> 00:34:41,040 It's beautiful outside. 587 00:34:41,240 --> 00:34:42,200 Everybody's happy. 588 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,840 Nobody's angry about anything at the house, but you just never know what the, 589 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,320 what the next day of the next week or what challenges you're going to face. 590 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,920 So try to be ready, be present and, and be a good example. 591 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,080 Yeah, that is the number one thing. 592 00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:58,880 Be a good example. 593 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,760 That's obviously like the most important thing. 594 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:07,920 Do you have a podcast or a couple of podcasts that you really enjoy right now? 595 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:08,760 I do. 596 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:14,160 I, yeah, I, I try to squeeze in a few, a few podcasts when I can, obviously 597 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,560 downtime is the, at the top of the list. 598 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:17,840 Uh, that's the best one out there. 599 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:18,640 Well, of course. 600 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,960 If we're going like anything aside from the obvious best, just a, 601 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:27,880 uh, a distance second, yeah, a distance second, like best of the rest, clearly. 602 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,720 Um, there are a couple of, of college football podcasts that I like. 603 00:35:31,720 --> 00:35:33,440 One is called the shutdown full cast. 604 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:35,560 One is called a split zone duo. 605 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:36,800 They're, they're very different. 606 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:42,240 Uh, shut down full casket is very, uh, bizarre is probably how the best way to 607 00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:47,320 describe it and oftentimes very much goes off the rails and is really not even 608 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:48,640 about college football at all. 609 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:53,400 Um, splits on do is much more of a, you know, you get the sort of analytics, you 610 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:58,520 get sort of the insider stuff, but, but it focuses on really all of college 611 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:03,600 football and not just like basically the top 25 teams that you can get news and 612 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,440 information for, um, pretty much anywhere. 613 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,920 Um, so yeah, those are a couple that I, that I really enjoy. 614 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,760 And any music that you're listening to, or do you have much time to just jam out 615 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:20,080 or, I know there was a time in my life where I listened to almost exclusively 616 00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:25,120 music in the car and now it's, I'd say mostly podcasts, but yeah, do you have 617 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:26,440 anything that you're rocking to? 618 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:28,480 I agree with you. 619 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:32,400 I tend to find myself listening to podcasts in the court and in the car, 620 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,920 um, or now as well, you know, you might be in the same situation that I am. 621 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:42,680 I, I think that a lot of, a lot of folks as they, as they get older, um, I used 622 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:46,280 to really try to keep up with a lot of, a lot of new music. 623 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:50,760 I was really into some of the, the indie and the underground type stuff, uh, 624 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:55,240 some, some punk rock, some emo these days, it's really hard to, uh, to keep 625 00:36:55,240 --> 00:36:56,040 up with what's new. 626 00:36:56,040 --> 00:37:00,040 And I find myself just listening to a lot of the same stuff that I would've 627 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:04,960 been listening to 10 years ago, 20 years ago, it's, it's tough to keep up with 628 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:05,640 the new stuff. 629 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,800 Um, but I do, you know, I like Jason Isbell a lot. 630 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,640 Um, I like Jenny Lewis a lot. 631 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,480 She used to be the, uh, the lead singer of Rhylo Kylie. 632 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:20,200 She's had a, a nice independent, uh, solo career for a while now. 633 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,680 Every now and then I'll, I'll be able to find a, find a new album that I can 634 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,440 tuck into and really enjoy. 635 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:30,880 But a lot of it is, a lot of it is listening to the old standards. 636 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:36,320 I think, uh, I really enjoy singer songwriter stuff and really a long time 637 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:42,440 ago when lead singers or the primary songwriters of my favorite bands would 638 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,040 split off and do a solo record. 639 00:37:45,240 --> 00:37:46,400 I would really get into that. 640 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:51,800 And in some cases I like some of the solo albums that lead singers have done 641 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,400 more than the primary band. 642 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:59,280 I mean, of course I've talked about them before, but driving and crying out of 643 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:04,640 Atlanta, Kevin Kinney solo catalog is, I don't know if I like it more, but I just 644 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,440 really like everything he does. 645 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:06,760 Yeah. 646 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,080 I mean, I guess DMACC, what I would ask you is what's on your iPod. 647 00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:17,240 That's a, uh, folks, that's a question that we used to get. 648 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:23,160 I wanted to talk about this, Chris, our zones experience every Wednesday night, 649 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:32,000 15, 16 years ago, uh, we would tackle a section of the, of the community sports 650 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:37,160 section, so the zones would be North, South, East, West, I think a student 651 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,920 athlete of the week, that would always be the question, what's on your iPod. 652 00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:42,080 And what was the most common answer? 653 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:50,240 Uh, everything from Blink 182 to Green Day, or everything from Garth Brooks to 654 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:56,680 George Strait, which not, not a lot of daylight, but no, you would get the very 655 00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:01,000 narrow answer like that, or you would get the other classic anything but rap or 656 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,000 country. 657 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:02,480 And it, yeah. 658 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:02,920 Oh yeah. 659 00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:08,080 Chris, what I'm listening to in the car right now, and I never thought that this 660 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:14,560 would, that I would be in this place, but a lot of children's music, because my 661 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:18,440 kids have figured out that we could basically pull up anything on demand. 662 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,120 And so we're listening to Danny Goh songs. 663 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,400 We're listening to Blaze and the Monster Machines. 664 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:29,440 I mean, you name it. 665 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,160 Let's see, there's, um, the Frozen soundtrack. 666 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:34,920 Uh, yes, very familiar with that. 667 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:39,520 Now when I don't have the kids in the car, there's this, uh, Irish songwriter, 668 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:46,320 Celtic acoustic, um, I'm screwing up the genre here, but Dan McCabe and hey, Dan, 669 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,120 if you're listening, I would love to have you on the podcast. 670 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:50,760 Come on the show. 671 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:55,200 Come on the show anytime, but yeah, Dan McCabe, just some, some excellent stuff 672 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:55,400 there. 673 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,880 I feel like I've been missing out on the whole Irish music scene all these years. 674 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:00,560 Yeah. 675 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:01,480 Irish music is great. 676 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:05,000 It's, I mean, if you like the singer songwriter stuff and being from the south, 677 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:10,200 being from sort of the tip of Appalachia, you know, the Southern, I mean, that's 678 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:15,080 a lot of Appalachian folks came from Ireland and a lot of Appalachian music is, 679 00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:17,600 you know, derived from, from Irish music. 680 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,880 A lot of those sort of folky tunes. 681 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:20,440 Yeah. 682 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:21,840 Irish music is very nice. 683 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,360 Uh, one last question, Chris, we could go on and talk about 684 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:26,040 what's happening on. 685 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:27,680 Obviously this is so awesome. 686 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,440 Just catching up with you during the pandemic. 687 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,240 I remember we talked at the last ball game. 688 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:34,600 You started cycling. 689 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,880 Are you still on your current schedule? 690 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,040 Are you still tracking however many miles a day? 691 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,040 Yeah, I'm, uh, I'm still cycling. 692 00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,320 I managed to, uh, dislocate my shoulder recently. 693 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:46,920 So that was, that was great. 694 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,560 You know, it really, and it wasn't even from like a, you know, an interesting 695 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,440 crash, I literally fell over on my bike. 696 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:57,200 Uh, I was, I was clipped into the pedals as you do on a road bike and, uh, 697 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:02,160 sort of lost my balance at a stoplight and fell over and dislocated my shoulder. 698 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,360 But aside from that little hiccup, uh, yeah, I love riding. 699 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:09,920 It's, you know, I try to, I try to ride five days a week if I can, but, you know, 700 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:11,640 life often gets in the way of that. 701 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,320 Um, but it's, yeah, it's a pretty great, pretty great sport. 702 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,440 Pretty, pretty nice way to get some exercise. 703 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:21,600 You see, see different parts of, you know, the area where you live that you 704 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,120 probably wouldn't have seen before just riding around on the roads. 705 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:25,480 Um, it's fun. 706 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:30,000 It's, I don't know what it is about it, but yeah, I love it. 707 00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,760 It's, uh, it's the closest thing I've ever felt like to like actually flying. 708 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,840 I'm going down the road and I've got some good speed and I'm feeling good. 709 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:42,240 And I can feel like the, the electricity in my legs, like really pumping the 710 00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:43,920 pedals and projecting me forward. 711 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:45,200 It feels pretty amazing. 712 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:46,360 Wow. 713 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,560 I, I have got to get on board. 714 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:49,560 I've been saying that. 715 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:53,640 Let me ask you also, I mean, are you out there riding when it's 105 degrees? 716 00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:58,440 I try to go in the morning if it's going to be, uh, you know, morning is 717 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:03,200 usually the, the best time to go anyway, um, whether it's a weekday or a weekend. 718 00:42:03,240 --> 00:42:09,760 Um, I mean, definitely when it's going to be a summer day in the South, uh, it's 719 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:10,960 tough to get out in the middle of the day. 720 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:16,360 I did recently, I rode in Auburn, um, a few weeks ago when it was during one of 721 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:22,960 those terrible heat waves, um, we rode 62 miles and it was like a hundred degrees 722 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,320 by the time we were, you know, in the thick of it. 723 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:26,720 That is insanity. 724 00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:31,040 It was pretty, it was pretty rough, but you know, cycling, um, kind of the main 725 00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,680 ethos of the sport is the idea of suffering. 726 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,080 So it was sort of what it was all about. 727 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,120 I guess if you're feeling like you just about killed yourself and you're like, 728 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:40,120 okay, that was a good ride. 729 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:42,560 Wow. 730 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,800 Well, Chris, this has just been fantastic. 731 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,680 And let's do it again. 732 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,480 Sometime I say that to a lot of my guests, you know, all we got to do a second 733 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:56,920 episode and really, if you're going to be on Dan time, I probably think highly 734 00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,240 enough of you to invite you back on. 735 00:42:59,240 --> 00:43:04,320 So Chris, thank you so much for being a part of the show and everybody, please, 736 00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:09,600 if you haven't already check out Chris's reporting on the, uh, Atlanta business 737 00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,960 Chronicle and what's the website again? 738 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:13,080 Yeah. 739 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,160 The website is biz journals. 740 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,280 That's B I Z journals.com slash Atlanta. 741 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,960 We've got, you know, publications in like 40 cities across the country. 742 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:26,600 So if you happen to be listening from another American city, check out your 743 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:30,280 other, your local business journal, cause we all do great work. 744 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:35,120 And if people still enjoy the print version, can you subscribe? 745 00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,320 You can subscribe to the Chronicle online. 746 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:42,160 Uh, you go, um, you can subscribe to a digital only, uh, package if that's 747 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:47,000 your more of your style, but yeah, we still, we do a weekly, uh, print edition 748 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:48,240 comes out every Fridays. 749 00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:53,600 I think it's definitely worth opening it up and kicking back and reading, uh, 750 00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:55,920 you know, an actual physical newspaper every now and then. 751 00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:57,280 I love it. 752 00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:58,800 Okay, Chris. 753 00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:04,560 Well, I hope you have a wonderful weekend and thanks for joining the show. 754 00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:12,600 And guys, remember when your wife is after you about cutting the grass or picking 755 00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:17,000 up your clothes off the floor or just helping her out around the house. 756 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,920 I mean, get yourself up off that chair, pause that game. 757 00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:26,600 You can, you can pause everything nowadays and give your better half a 758 00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,880 hand, get yourselves up and get things done. 759 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:32,880 Happy wife, happy life. 760 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,520 Nobody knows that better than me and my buddy, Chris. 761 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:36,200 Yeah. 762 00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,760 And if you're, uh, you know, if you got to go do some yard work, why not put 763 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,480 those earbuds in and maybe listen to the latest episode of Dan time while 764 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:43,000 you're doing it. 765 00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:44,240 There you go. 766 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,320 Okay, folks, that's it for Dan time. 767 00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:48,840 We'll see you next week. 768 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:49,760 Thank you, Chris. 769 00:44:49,760 --> 00:45:05,000 Chris, Thanks, Dimak.