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This week I'm joined by the one and only Bruce Fenton.

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He's an OG Bitcoiner, we'll say.

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He's been involved with Bitcoin for 11 years.

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He's the host of the very prestigious Satoshi Roundtable annual gathering.

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Bruce also ran in the Republican primary for the US Senate last year in New Hampshire,

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which we're going to talk a lot about.

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He's been in the business of securities for 30 years.

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He's CEO of Chainstone Labs.

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He's the owner of Watchdog Capital, which is an SEC registered broker.

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He does it all.

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This guy does it all.

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He's Jack of all trades.

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Let's jump right into it with Bruce Fenton.

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Yeah, Bruce, thanks for jumping on with me.

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Thanks for having me.

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I've been wanting to talk to you for so long.

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I mean, we've caught up before, but you know, I mean, lately you've been talking about Vivek

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Ramaswamy a lot, which I want to get to.

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For sure.

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But first, I wanted to, the stuff I really wanted to ask you about was running for Senate,

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man, because it's like, I'm so curious about how that changed your perspective on things,

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you know, with politics and just with the country and like, has his life gotten back

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to normal or is it like permanently changed for you?

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Well, you know, a little of both.

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I was lucky in that I had a good job to fall back on and was able to go right back to my

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A lot of candidates, you know, don't, you know, they quit their jobs so they can run

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or something like that or they don't have that option.

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So I was lucky to be able to go back into my normal routine.

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But yeah, it did change me.

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I certainly think differently.

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I think about politics a lot.

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You know, the fellow who was my campaign manager works for my company now.

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So we both got kind of a PhD in politics.

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Neither of us had been in politics before.

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And we care about New Hampshire because we have a lot of friends and we made even more

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friends on the campaign trail.

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A lot of the other people who were running for office, other candidates for federal office,

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my opponents, this kind of thing.

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We got to know all of the officials in the Republican Party and the governor and everything.

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So and we learned a lot.

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You know, I learned a lot about politics.

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I learned a lot about what it takes to run.

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One of the reasons that I ran originally was just to kind of level up my skills.

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You know, I think biting off more than you can chew, doing something interesting like

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It's definitely, you know, when I ran, I knew I was a long shot.

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I came in late.

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You know, my opinions are not always mainstream.

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So there was a lot of factors where I knew it was kind of a long shot.

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But I said, well, you know what, if I run and lose, I will learn something.

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I'll be well positioned if I want to run again and I'll level up my skills.

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You know, I gave a couple hundred speeches.

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I got a lot better about kind of dealing with people and crowds and that kind of thing.

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Sitting on my feet, interviews, this kind of stuff.

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I learned a lot about politics, learned a little bit about myself and got to tour this

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great state of New Hampshire.

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So I'm glad I did it.

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But didn't didn't jade you.

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It didn't make you more skeptical of how the country's run or anything like that or what?

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In some ways, you know, one of the things I probably the biggest disappointment was

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the realization that all the experts because I don't like listening to experts.

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It depends on the expert.

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You know, I really like to see evidence and I don't tend to trust anything unless I experience

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it or unless I really, really trust the speaker.

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And a lot of people said, hey, look, Bruce, you know, your ideas don't matter.

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All that matters is money.

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And I was a little naive on that.

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I said, no, come on, come on.

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I can reach the voters.

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People care like the whole country is a mess right now.

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Many people are going to care about ideas.

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But unfortunately, you know, this is very much Coke versus Pepsi.

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And if I came to you as an investor and I say, Chris, I got a new soda.

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It tastes even better than Coke or Pepsi.

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It's delicious, caramel colored, carbonated beverage, a sweet beverage.

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And we're going to beat Coke and Pepsi because it tastes better.

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As a wise investor, you'd think that was crazy.

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You'd say doesn't matter if it tastes better.

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It doesn't matter if it tastes better.

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You're not going to beat Coke and Pepsi.

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Everybody's sitting there saying Coca-Cola is where it is because it's absolutely the

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best soda in the whole world.

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You know, there's probably some grandmother somewhere who makes homemade soda that's better

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than or some little roadside stand that makes homemade sodas that are better.

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But it's all marketing.

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And the marketing companies know that down to the penny what it costs them to market

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you to become a Coca-Cola customer.

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And the political parties, which are also very much like Coke versus Pepsi, also in

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the fact that they're not that different, they know exactly down to the penny what it

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costs to get a vote.

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And it is marketing and it's a very well tuned.

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They try and appear folksy, but it's a well tuned, well oiled, multi-decker, billion dollar

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machine.

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And they have the marketing down to an absolute science.

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They know exactly who the voters are, how to turn them out and many other factors.

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So it really does just come down to the money, unfortunately.

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it break away from just spending.

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You know, my opponent, so I ran for the Republican primary.

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He's a former general.

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I don't think he's slept in, you know, for a single day in the last 50 years.

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schedules.

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He worked all day every day during the campaign.

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He went to every town almost twice.

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He did appearance after appearance, three appearances a day.

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to Elizabeth Warren, she did something like two appearances.

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She wasn't even here in the state.

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She didn't need to play this game.

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What do you need to wake up at six in the morning and go up, you know, two hours away

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to go speak to a Republican town committee?

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Why do that when you can just have George Soros shower the state with, you know, television

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And that's exactly what happens in these races, unfortunately.

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So I'd like to see that break broken away from.

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If I ever run again, unfortunately, I'm going to just shake every single person down that

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I know.

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I didn't really raise money.

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In fact, I joked at the Bitcoin Miami.

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I said, don't send me money.

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Stack sats, you'll do better for yourself if you do.

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But if I ran again, you know, I would run to win and I would be very serious about raising

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money because it's no purpose in just running again and not having a plan to win.

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But can you raise the kind of money you have to raise if you don't have the backing of

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the people with the money?

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I mean, it's like catch 22, right?

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Yeah, that's the trick because it's a very establishment thing.

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I mean, I know more billionaires and more rich people than I don't know, point zero

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zero one percent of.

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I mean, you know, my whole career I've been involved in money.

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I met many, many, many billionaires.

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I worked in the Middle East for huge PE firms.

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My job was basically rubbing elbows with shakes and Royals.

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And then I got into Bitcoin and a whole mess of my friends became extraordinarily wealthy.

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And I've advised people and worked with people.

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So I've been around people with money more than almost anybody you can think of.

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So you would think it would be really easy for me to just make a few phone calls and

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raise the kind of money you need.

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That's not the case.

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For one thing, you need is an extraordinary amount of money.

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You know, I can I could call up my my rich friends and raise a couple bucks, but raising

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20, 30, 40, 50 million dollars is a whole nother story.

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Really the only way to get that kind of money is the big, big donors who put in five million

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at a pop.

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And I know there's not a lot even the wealthiest people, even billionaires don't just throw

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five million around.

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It's a very establishment kind of process.

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And again, it goes back to these power players.

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Mitch McConnell runs a huge pack that if you're aligned with McConnell, they can award you

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five, ten million dollars for your race.

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But obviously that's not going to happen to me.

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I mean, I openly criticize McConnell.

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So if you luck out and you know somebody like a feel or somebody who's really wealthy and

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who is very generous with the donating, that could work.

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But it's a pretty hard game.

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You know, even with wealthy friends, it's you know, I might be able to raise a couple

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million, but that's not enough to to win these big federal races, unfortunately.

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It's like what drew us to Bitcoin.

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I'm sure I can speak for you to some regard, you know, when it comes to this, what drew

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most of us was the fact that we're going to sort of create this flat structure where we

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don't have this power structure, where we don't have kingmakers, where we don't have

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people that can change the rules if they have enough money, you know, which is basically

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like a proof of state system.

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But then you compare that to what you're talking about with the way that politics works.

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And I start to wonder, like, is there first of all, do you think that I mean, you can't

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possibly think this is a good way to do it, right?

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Politically, like whoever has the most money crowns the kings, right?

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Like that's not good.

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It's a terrible system.

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And it said, you know, and now a lot of people say they recognize the problem and they say,

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oh, well, what we need is more campaign finance reform.

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We need more rules and we got to, you know, overturn Citizens United, which actually means,

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you know, changing the First Amendment or we need to do this or that, or we need to

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ban this group from donating or ban billionaires or something like that.

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I'm skeptical of any of those efforts because the rules are written by the people who are

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benefiting from this system.

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So we passed a bunch of campaign finance.

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Does anybody think McCain and Feingold when they passed McCain, Feingold were really just

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great Americans looking out for the truth?

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I mean, maybe they thought that at best, but they were partisan hacks and they were part

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of the problem.

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So we had campaign finance and it just created PACs and everything.

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And by the way, there's a whole mess of rules, but that's a very insider club.

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It's extremely difficult to figure out what you're allowed to do, what you're not allowed

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to do.

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It's very clear to the people, you know, like Elizabeth Warren or Maggie Hassan, who are

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in this system.

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They have whole armies of consultants and people.

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There's a whole cottage industry, a multi-billion dollar industry, all these PACs and everything.

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And they have rules like the campaign can't coordinate with the PAC.

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And that's all nonsense.

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You know, they have their ways of coordinating.

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They've gamed this system so that, you know, the law originally said, oh, you can't can't,

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you can't coordinate.

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So everybody knows that now.

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So they have all these wink, wink, nod, nods like, well, I understand you're coming to

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my event, wink, and you're not here on behalf of your PAC, you know, but, you know, and

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I know we can't share photos from our event.

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However, if you go to brucefenton.com slash open source, you'll see some open source photos

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that you're allowed to use that you might want to use on your PAC brochure if you want

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to.

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You know, this is the kind of thing that the and then, you know, I didn't know how to do

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any of these games.

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I didn't have a PAC.

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I didn't know how to do it.

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It all seemed like nonsense.

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I didn't I didn't have interest in it.

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And I found it opaque and frustrating.

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But the political system, people like Elizabeth Warren have absolutely mastered it.

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Everybody in her staff knows all the rules about who can talk to who and how you can

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do it.

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And all these people donating, they know where to donate it.

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And they do bundling.

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You know, you're you're you're able to get a big mailing list and they collect checks

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and then they send the checks.

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And there's all the it's just a big system.

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And what it does, it makes it harder for somebody like me as an outsider.

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I came into this and all I knew is that, you know, you can go to jail for campaign finance

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stuff.

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You know, that's that's the main thing.

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So I look at this and I see, you know, very difficult.

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I'm used to reading securities regulations.

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Some of these finance regulations are even more difficult, very difficult to figure,

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you know, how do we accept Bitcoin?

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How can we do this?

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You know, do you know, who do I have to make sure I get a from?

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Because you can't just take money.

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I can't just put up a Bitcoin address and say, donate to Bruce.

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I have to know who that's coming from.

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Make sure it's not foreign that you have to be able to return things.

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People can donate, you know, double for your primary and your race.

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But you got to return it if you don't win the primary.

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You know, there's all these goofy regulations and it made it quite difficult.

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And I was I was really afraid.

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I said, all right, I'm just going to be extra conservative.

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I'll spend my own money.

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I'm not going to worry too much about raising because the more you raise, the more careful

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you have to be.

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And then you and then you have to say, well, OK, I raised money and then I took my credit

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card from the campaign and I bought a bunch of staffers food.

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Well, did I bring my own food?

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What if I bought my kids food?

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Does that you know, am I going to get in trouble for?

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So when in doubt, I just paid myself so I would avoid trouble.

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But that's not a good system because it's very hard and opaque.

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So the solution, I don't think, is more regulation or more efforts at campaign finance reform

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because the snakes will snakes on the swamp will just figure out a way around that.

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The solution is actually make government so small that it doesn't have anything anybody

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wants.

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So nobody bothers to hire a lobbyist because there's nothing the lobbyist can get.

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You know, that's the way to do it.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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But how do you do that without doing the first thing?

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It's like it's insane.

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It's so it's almost like it's such a unique position to be in to understand how Bitcoin

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works and understand how that level of decentralization can be achieved.

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And then live in that world financially and then live in this corrupt political world

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that is the exact opposite.

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It's basically this totally corrupted crony proof of work system that's totally opaque

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in a lot of regards.

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And it makes you wonder because most people, I mean, 99% of people still, even if they

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have Bitcoin, they don't really appreciate why it's valuable, I think.

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You know, but I feel like if we could ever get to the point where we could apply those

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principles to politics, I feel like we'd be going somewhere, you know, as opposed to just

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sitting in this corrupt morass of nonsense.

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Does that make sense?

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Yeah, totally.

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I mean, one point on that is like you notice in Bitcoin, people talk about ideas and especially

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the best conferences, the more technical ones, you know, like I'm not super technical, but

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I enjoy things like Baltic Honey Badger and where you go and it's Adam Back and 300 super

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nerds rather than nothing against, you know, it's fun to go to the 10,000, 20,000 person

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conferences with Lambos too, but there's more meat and substance in these smaller technical

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conferences.

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Everybody's talking about ideas.

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They're talking about Schnorr and privacy and BIP 300 and how you're going to do different

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tokens and smart contracts on Bitcoin and very little talk about people.

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You go to a political event, you know, the old saying, what is it?

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Small minds talk about people, big minds talk about ideas.

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You know, you go to a political event, everything's all like, oh, this person's chief of staff

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is this and this and this.

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And I've been in circles where I've hung out with the Davos World Economic Forum crowd,

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the World Bank and the epitome of all of it.

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If you watch Chernobyl on HBO, you know, there's these amazing scenes in the first, all through

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the season.

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I've only watched the first episode, but the, you know, the way that the Soviets worked

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where it's like, oh, the director general of the executive committee is going to talk

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to the other executive committee who's going to talk to the deputy chief of nuclear regulatory

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affairs who and everybody's just terrified like, oh boy.

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And I've been in those same kind of rooms, not in Soviet Russia about nuclear, but you

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know, about banking and finance.

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You know, when I did some charity work and things like that in the Middle East, it's

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really hilarious how these people talk.

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They're like, oh my goodness, the so-and-so, you know, deputy undersecretary of the executive

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committee for the Department of Finance is coming and it's, everybody's obsessed with

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people and they're just spinning their wheels on nonsense.

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And that's kind of what politics is.

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Politics at its worst is epitomized by what we saw with Chernobyl and Soviet Russia and

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maybe the complete opposite of that politics at its best is sort of lack of politics where

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nobody talks about any of this stuff and it doesn't really matter.

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You're talking about the ideas instead.

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So I think the world could learn a lot from Bitcoin.

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Yeah.

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And it's always been that way.

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That's the thing.

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Like since the beginning of recorded history, like people have been ruled by personalities

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basically, you know, it's like the personality plus the power, you know, and then you get

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this mutated.

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That's why every president in the US is different, right?

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It's like you have the power and then it's the personality that's like this variable

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and then you get this mutation, right?

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And it's always a different mutation and that's why every regime is a little bit different,

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you know, and it's inconsistent and you never know what you're going to get until it's too

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late and it's so imperfect and it just makes you wonder with this technology and this new

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way of thinking that we like are privileged to have from Bitcoin and it's still so early.

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It's like we clearly most people don't get it, but is there a future where that can have

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some impact?

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And I'm not even saying like full, I'm not, I'm definitely not saying like blockchain

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government or anything like that.

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I'm just talking about the principles of it.

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Like the, you know what I mean?

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Like, it's like, and I also feel like they try, like, I feel like the constitution was

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an attempt at this based on the tech they had available back then, but it's like, I

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feel like we're, we're revving up.

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I hope it happens in my lifetime, but I doubt it, but I feel like we're revving up towards

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this new way of approaching a constitution that could be more programmatic and more predictable

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and take the personalities out of it.

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What do you think?

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Is that, is that a hope that you think is realistic?

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Yeah, I hope so.

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You know, and we have to rest that hope in Gen Z, you know, they're, they're a generation,

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the healthiest thing about Gen Z is that they're very skeptical of centralized power.

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And because we're in kind of this fourth turning, a time of epic change, we're seeing old power

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structures of, you know, CNN and the New York Times being replaced by Joe Rogan and the

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world economic forum and the IMF being replaced by Bitcoin.

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And so we see this, but there is still something about this old style and maybe it's in human

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nature, our tribal nature as humans, that there's always going to be people who looked

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to a leader.

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There's something to be said for a leader.

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And it's interesting in my case, because, you know, I started my career in the 90s and

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I was kind of like your classic 90s business person.

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You know, I wore a suit and I listened to books about self help.

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And I went to Tony Robbins seminars on how to become a great speaker.

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And a lot of those, that kind of style is kind of campy now.

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You know, Mike Pence, I met him on the campaign trail.

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He's the absolute master of that.

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I could tell you stories about Mike Pence when he met us.

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Well, real quickly, he met me and then three days later he recognized me out of a crowd

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and he said a nice thing to my kid specific to me.

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He said, oh, I hope you're enjoying your train set.

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Just barely one little tiny line he had heard three days earlier out of 300 people.

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And I'm like, wow, no wonder the guy, I don't agree with his politics.

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I'm not a Mike Pence fan, but I'm like, wow, this guy has mastered, absolutely mastered

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the art of the 90s style politician.

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But look at him in the polls now, that kind of style is gone, you know.

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And I think especially Gen Z, who is barely voting now, but Gen Z, they're not impressed

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by that.

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They're not going to look at, you know, they're not going to look like their grandparents

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and their and their boomer parents and say, wow, that guy has a blue suit with a red tie

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and he's clean shaven.

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He must be trustworthy.

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You know, that that's an old ideology from a from a different time.

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And hopefully they're going to move more towards the cypherpunk way.

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You know, if anything, one weakness of my campaign was, you know, because the average

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voter in New Hampshire, 79 years old for the primary, I was probably too cypherpunk.

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You know, I was I had an unbuttoned shirt and a T-shirt.

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I was kind of casual.

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And originally, when I first started, if you look at my race in the first few months, I

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was like very anti establishment.

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I was just like resistant to anything.

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I had like a very non campaigning website.

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I didn't do any of the I said, look, I'll meet people, I'll meet voters and I'll talk

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to press.

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That's it.

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I'm not doing any other games.

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I'm not doing any other nonsense.

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And in some ways it was refreshing.

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And I was glad with how I ran the campaign.

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But in other ways, it was maybe too cypherpunk for a mass market audience, because there

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is a lot of people who are from even, you know, still from that kind of 90s mold.

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So I think the balance will be interesting as we go forward.

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And hopefully we move towards your vision of a more, you know, kind of cypherpunk democracy

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to find the right balance of, you know, where do figureheads fit in there?

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And can we have because I feel like we do need leaders in some way.

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And if not, if we if we all are just cypherpunks, and I think you and I are similar in some

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respects of kind of like our mannerisms and our way of interacting and everything, you

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or I could either could easily, you know, have launched some coin and become a figurehead

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and become some some variation of a Richard Hart and made a bunch of money and gotten

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into a lot of trouble and hurt a lot of people.

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I mean, it's not a hard thing to do.

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So if but if but if everybody is kind of saying like, hey, I'm not playing the game, I'm not

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going to be talking about people.

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I'm going to be talking about ideas.

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Well, then a Sam or Richard Hart can can easily come in and co-op people who haven't internalized

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that yet.

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There's a lot of people who are like, wow, he had Tony Blair and Bill Clinton at his

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event.

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He must be for real.

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So they gave Sam billions of dollars.

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So you know, I and I've thought about this a lot with myself.

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You know, I resist it.

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It's interesting if this was 15 years ago, I would have been I probably would have quadrupled

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the following in crypto Twitter, you know, like if I was a different point in my life,

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I would have been given speeches and, you know, walking the walk and talking the talk

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and doing all the things for eyeballs.

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But as I got much more mature and I moved on in life, those things became less important

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to me.

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And at my age now and where I am now, I think of a lot of those things as silly.

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I'm like, that's just silly.

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Like putting on a suit and putting, you know, doing a song and dance.

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That's silly.

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I want to talk about important stuff like how we can change the world, how we can decentralize.

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I don't want to be sitting there, you know, doing some some silly speech about, you know,

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you know, America and the children, you know, things that have no substance.

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So there's some balance in there.

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I think we, you know, maybe we need a new kind of leader that if I could figure out

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how to do it, I would, but I think it's probably going to be somebody in Generation X who kind

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of comes forward as, you know, and galvanizes people.

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And it's somebody you can look to and say, this is somebody I'd follow.

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But they're also in favor of those ideals of, you know, tearing everything down and putting

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power with the people.

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Maybe that's what the founders did.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So much of what you're talking about just resonates with the experiences I'm having

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in crypto lately and and politics is the same thing.

464
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I like to say it boils down to whether or not you're willing to monetize the trust that

465
00:25:22,360 --> 00:25:28,160
people are putting into you, you know, and that you're asking them to put into you, whether

466
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:33,200
it's warranted or not, you know, and usually it's not like usually if another human that

467
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:37,520
you don't know is asking you to trust them in some regard, whether it's a politician

468
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:42,340
or a CEO or whoever it might be, you usually shouldn't be trusting them because like you

469
00:25:42,340 --> 00:25:47,560
said earlier, like you don't, you shouldn't trust what you can't examine, what you can't

470
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:55,880
know yourself, you know, but it's like throughout crypto, throughout politics, throughout every

471
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:57,200
aspect of the world.

472
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,280
This isn't this capitalism though?

473
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,320
Like I keep going back and forth on this.

474
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:07,240
Isn't this like a flaw of capitalism in a way because capitalism naturally gravitates

475
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:12,520
towards this like the the the carnival barker, you know, that's kind of like selling you

476
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:17,600
stuff, you know, trying to extract maximum value from you and I, I, it makes me question

477
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,200
my own principles once in a while.

478
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:24,640
Like it is unbridled capitalism in this way, really the best route or are we heading towards

479
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,800
a place where people are just going to be putting their trust in whoever can spend the

480
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,760
most money to convince them of something?

481
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:40,160
Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's interesting because you can, you know, you can basically spend

482
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,040
your way into trust and trust can be a good thing.

483
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:48,480
You know, Naval has a neat piece that he did about, you know, people investing in long-term

484
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:55,640
people, long-term people in long-term games, it's called, and, you know, basically align

485
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:59,240
with people that are going to be around for a while and that's sort of a form of trust,

486
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:00,440
you know, so trust can be important.

487
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,160
There's probably nothing wrong with that and maybe it's all part of the system, but I do

488
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:12,440
have some moral struggles sometimes to try to figure out, you know, what the proper,

489
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,240
to me, self-promotion and stuff seems so cheesy now and I was so good at it.

490
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:17,880
I did a lot of it when I was younger.

491
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:22,200
I used to go around giving financial seminars and that's what my career was for a big chunk,

492
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,000
but I just felt like I moved beyond that.

493
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:29,580
There was one point in, I don't know, one of the first big bull runs where I had kind

494
00:27:29,580 --> 00:27:32,560
of life-changing money and I'm like, I'm never wearing a suit again.

495
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:33,960
I haven't followed that.

496
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,920
I have worn a suit a few times and now I'm actually thinking suits might be good.

497
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,160
You know, maybe you don't want the look like the, well, which is funny because it's right

498
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:42,160
back to trust again.

499
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,960
You know, Sam went and had this like, oh, look at me.

500
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:51,160
I'm wearing t-shirts and sloppy shorts when I'm meeting the former world leaders and then

501
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:55,800
you look at it and say, well, yeah, but look at what a clown he was, you know, maybe there's

502
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,400
something to be said for it.

503
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,920
You're just a boomer.

504
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:01,920
Yeah.

505
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:07,800
You know, but part of me is like, you know, do you, especially if you want to make change,

506
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:12,800
you know, do you like, there is some aspect of that kind of 90s style politician.

507
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:17,840
If I, if I were to run again, I would probably be even less, I don't want to say left cyberpunk

508
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,760
in my ideals and my ideas.

509
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,120
I'm going to stick with my principles.

510
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:27,360
I'm very, very strong in my principles, but my marketing would probably be more, you know,

511
00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:31,440
along the spectrum with me at one end and Pence on the other side, I'd probably play

512
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,680
a little bit more of those stupid games.

513
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:38,040
You know, things like parades, for example, all the political concerns, oh, Bruce, you've

514
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:39,040
got to go to the parade.

515
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,240
I'm like, what the heck does a parade have to do with anything?

516
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:46,360
I'm trying to save this country from evil and tyranny.

517
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,360
I don't care about the stupid parade.

518
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:49,680
I think parades are silly.

519
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,220
They're a waste of time, but that's what every politician has to do.

520
00:28:53,220 --> 00:28:57,220
So there's some, some amount of game playing and you know, I think that is some part of

521
00:28:57,220 --> 00:29:02,600
humanity and no matter how successful we are with a cypher punk decentralized revolution,

522
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,800
there still is going to be leaders and there's also nothing wrong with leaders.

523
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,560
If you have good leaders, people that you really, really respect where you look at somebody

524
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:14,080
and you say, wow, this is a man or a woman that I would like to follow.

525
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,040
That can be a good thing, but those are, those are rare examples.

526
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,000
Now it's, it's hard to do that.

527
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:26,800
Yeah, it's like with the presidential primaries and stuff, like with DeSantis, you see him

528
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:35,080
out there throwing baseballs and the VEC out there wrapping M and M, you know, and it's,

529
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:36,540
I go back and forth on it.

530
00:29:36,540 --> 00:29:39,360
Like I understand why he needs to be at the state fair.

531
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:40,360
I get it.

532
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:46,780
I understand you have to, you have to find places to speak to people directly, but then

533
00:29:46,780 --> 00:29:54,560
you look at like Trump who sort of bucked that a lot of that, right?

534
00:29:54,560 --> 00:30:01,080
Like if Trump did one thing right, I would say to a certain extent, he, he bucked the

535
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:02,880
whole like, I'm a politician.

536
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:03,880
I'm going to go be in a parade.

537
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,600
I'm going to be kind of not who I actually am.

538
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,760
Cause when you're talking about marching in a parade, that's not you, right?

539
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:15,580
But you're talking about doing it just because it's expected from a politician, you know?

540
00:30:15,580 --> 00:30:19,080
And it's like, then you got Trump out there who's like, screw all of this.

541
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,760
I'm just going to do whatever and call her by fat and tell them they're idiots and see

542
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,040
what happens.

543
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:25,040
You know?

544
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,200
So it's like, what is the winning recipe?

545
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:33,800
It almost seems like people want that real reality thing, except would he have even ever

546
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,920
had that if he didn't have all the money and all the fame and everything that came before

547
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,640
he became president.

548
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:46,080
So it's like, you need this special witches brew of just serendipity almost to be able

549
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,000
to be thrust into that spot.

550
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,000
Right?

551
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,920
And like nobody has that so rare.

552
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:52,640
Yeah, it is very rare.

553
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,080
I mean, even these, you mean you look at people like Chris Christie and Mike Pence, who are

554
00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:01,120
lifelong politicians with a lot of money and a lot of power and a lot of recognition.

555
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:06,680
They have honed their skills over a long, long time and they're getting crushed in this.

556
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:12,200
I mean, this is the presidential primaries and the election is a very, very big deal.

557
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:16,760
It's the kind of one of the ultimate games with the ultimate stakes.

558
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:21,000
And you can never underestimate how smart any of the candidates are and how smart their

559
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:26,400
teams are and how, you know, how their supporters are going to do and any number of other things.

560
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,400
So you know, people do kind of cry for that authenticity.

561
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:36,360
You know, I think that's one of the big strengths is coming out and, you know, just being himself

562
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,520
it was one of my strengths in the campaign.

563
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:39,520
But it's hard to do.

564
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:44,800
You know, the more you speak, the more you're going to upset somebody if you have opinions.

565
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,800
You know, what they tell you in the old days, they've gotten better politicians overall.

566
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,200
And I think Trump helped move this needle a little bit.

567
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:57,920
But you go back 30 years or more, a lot of politicians wouldn't even tell you their position.

568
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,040
They'd ask them, they'd say, what's your position on abortion?

569
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:04,800
They say, well, you're going to have to wait until the vote comes up once I'm in the Senate.

570
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:05,800
They still do this.

571
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,920
They still do it a little bit, but they get pushed a little bit.

572
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,480
There's not a lot of real journalists so they can get away with it.

573
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,640
But it's become a partisan thing.

574
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,580
They like to get clicks and media.

575
00:32:15,580 --> 00:32:21,120
So people take opinions for a, you know, a strategic reason.

576
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,480
But a lot of them, you know, they will avoid and they'll take the consultants will tell

577
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:29,880
you take the minimum, you know, make the minimum statement.

578
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,400
Avoid saying anything because anytime you take a firm stand, you're going to lose half

579
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,280
of the people who care about that issue.

580
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:37,280
And then that's a shame.

581
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:41,080
You know, we should have more, more people who just speak their mind and hopefully we're

582
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,600
moving more that way with, with politicians like Vivek.

583
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:45,600
Yeah.

584
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:50,760
With these primaries, it's like, like, you know, I'm getting old enough now to remember

585
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:55,320
many of them, you know, and it's, I feel like we've been through this so many times where

586
00:32:55,320 --> 00:33:01,680
we go through this, this, you know, regardless of the party, like we go through this phase

587
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,560
where we're looking at all the people and all, we're like, oh, this guy's a real standout.

588
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:06,560
This guy's a real standout.

589
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,420
Oh, he's got a real shot.

590
00:33:09,420 --> 00:33:18,160
And every single time it boils down to who is sort of the, who gets the machine behind

591
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:19,160
them, right?

592
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:23,640
Like who gets the, it almost makes you feel like we don't really have a say in it, you

593
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:28,440
know, anymore, you know, and, and, uh, so this one is really interesting because you

594
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:35,600
got Trump who seemingly has the machine against him, at least one machine, you know, he's

595
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,760
got other machines behind him.

596
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:43,080
Um, and then you, you're looking at like DeSantis who clearly has some sort of machine behind

597
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:48,200
him, but it's a much different machine and the machines are actually getting more mysterious,

598
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:49,200
aren't they?

599
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:50,200
Right.

600
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:51,800
It's like, what, what is this machine behind DeSantis?

601
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:56,240
You know, what is this, uh, with Vivek too, you know, I mean, look, he's got big pharma

602
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:57,240
ties.

603
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:02,280
He's sitting here like looking at all this and like, what is exactly, I almost feel like

604
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:06,240
I'm, I'm constantly getting hoodwinked, you know, like I'm looking at this primary, that's

605
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:10,840
why I'm starting to be like, what am I really going to achieve here?

606
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:18,640
You know, by supporting any of these guys, but how did you get, um, like so behind Vivek?

607
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,000
Like when did that, did you know him from before he started running?

608
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,120
You know, it was a, it was an interesting process.

609
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,160
I had assumed that I was going to be a DeSantis supporter.

610
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:33,160
Uh, you know, once I, so once I ran for office, I'm a libertarian, I've been a libertarian

611
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:37,520
forever, and I hadn't been officially registered with the Republican party, you know, basically

612
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:38,520
forever.

613
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,160
I'd registered as an independent, but when I ran for office, you've got to register with

614
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:42,160
the party.

615
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:47,580
So I officially became a Republican and I, you know, joined the party and ran for office

616
00:34:47,580 --> 00:34:55,080
and I've kept, I've kept that, uh, I've kept that, um, I've kept that, uh, you know, that

617
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:56,080
registration.

618
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:57,360
Hey, what's that ringtone man?

619
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:58,360
What was that?

620
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,880
That's a, uh, that's a call to prayer.

621
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:02,880
Are you Muslim?

622
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:04,000
Yes, I am.

623
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,000
I had no idea.

624
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:06,000
Yeah, sorry.

625
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,160
Uh, yeah, that was, I have a little clock on my wall.

626
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,680
Um, were you raised Muslim?

627
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:18,520
No, no, I became, uh, uh, a few years back over a long period of time.

628
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,400
You know, I lived in that region.

629
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:21,400
I lived in the middle East.

630
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,520
I've been traveling the middle East for over 20 years.

631
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:31,600
So, you know, it was a long process of learning and, uh, uh, you know, kind of, you know,

632
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,960
just learning over time, a long, long, slow journey for me.

633
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,000
I'm a slow learner, I guess.

634
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,840
So did you, were you Christian?

635
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,520
You know, not to get too personal, but yeah, I'm just curious.

636
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:42,520
I didn't know you were Muslim.

637
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,480
Yeah, I was raised Christian.

638
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:48,320
Um, but I was, I was not, you know, there was various times in my life when I've been

639
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:53,240
kind of agnostic and there's, you know, I was, I was more of a Unitarian Christian.

640
00:35:53,240 --> 00:35:56,880
Uh, which is very similar to Muslims.

641
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:03,680
Um, you know, the main difference between Muslims and, uh, and, and Christians are non

642
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:09,800
Unitarian Christians is, is the, how, how, you know, how we look at the Trinity.

643
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:14,880
And so the, the Unitarian belief is very, very similar to Islam.

644
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,840
And then the only other difference is, you know, believing that Muhammad was a prophet

645
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,680
who delivered the word of God.

646
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:25,520
You know, that's, that's kind of the, the, um, you know, that's the main, you know, the

647
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,520
main belief in Islam.

648
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,400
Um, and, and so for me, that was the main, you know, that was the main thing.

649
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,920
You know, I spent a lot of time saying, well, you know, what is this book?

650
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:35,920
You know, what is this book?

651
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,840
And is it, is it the word of God?

652
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,640
And there's a lot of special principles and properties of the Quran.

653
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,480
Like for example, 4 million people know how to memorize it.

654
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,760
You know, what other book is there that over a million people, including children can memorize

655
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,880
the entire thing word for word.

656
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:54,080
And I've met many of them, you know, any, any mosque, you go and say, you know, who

657
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:58,120
knows the Quran by heart, every single word, and there's going to be somebody in there,

658
00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,120
especially bigger mosque.

659
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:00,480
There's going to be many people.

660
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,480
Uh, so there's interesting properties of this book.

661
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:08,120
And I spent a lot of time saying, you know, what, you know, what is this and do I believe

662
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,040
it and is it, is it true?

663
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,800
And um, yeah, that's, that's kind of what I, what I came up with.

664
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:19,960
Was this a, I mean, now that I know that it had to be a factor in the New Hampshire primary,

665
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:20,960
right?

666
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:25,600
I mean, if you're dealing with 79 year old New Hampshire people, you know, and they've

667
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:29,320
got this Muslim cypher punk running for us.

668
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:33,840
You know, it's funny, I was all prepared to, I thought it was going to be a big fight.

669
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,680
I thought people were going to hate me or something.

670
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,560
And most people either didn't know or didn't care.

671
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:39,560
Okay.

672
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:44,120
So a handful of people asked me during the campaign and I answered truthfully, but it

673
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:45,320
was never really picked up.

674
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:49,600
But I know the opposition research, I know the Democrats know, I think they avoided mentioning

675
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:54,440
it because you know, Republican Muslims, their worst nightmare, you know, it invalidates

676
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,840
all their stuff about diversity and everything else.

677
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:58,920
So I think they're kind of terrified about it.

678
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:04,120
They look at it like, oh my gosh, you know, this, it's like, you know, a fire to a caveman

679
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:05,800
or something that they don't know what to think.

680
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,880
And the Republicans, I mean, what are they going to do?

681
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:12,160
They're not going to attack me over it, you know, that would make them look horrible.

682
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:13,400
So it didn't really become an issue.

683
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:14,800
And I didn't, I didn't make it an issue.

684
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:22,280
I didn't, you know, I didn't like, you know, make a big deal about it trying to, you know,

685
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:26,200
I don't like talking about religion too, too much.

686
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:31,360
Like I feel like it's a personal thing and I don't like making myself a, you know, oh,

687
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:32,360
look at me.

688
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:33,360
I'm the Muslim candidate.

689
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:34,360
I'm the Muslim guy.

690
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:40,200
I prefer to just kind of have people judge me on my other words and not, you know, skin

691
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,640
color, religion or gender or anything.

692
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:43,640
Yeah.

693
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:44,640
No, I hear that.

694
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:45,640
It makes sense.

695
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,600
It is relevant since it came up.

696
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,320
I mean, it is relevant in the world now.

697
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,160
I think that there's a lot of, it's interesting.

698
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:57,040
There's a lot of people turning to faith and I like all people of faith, you know, Muslims

699
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:02,480
call Christians people of the book and Jews, you know, all three religions from the same

700
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:08,200
Abrahamic faith and, you know, I went to the Kaaba in Mecca and that a lot of people don't

701
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:09,200
know what the Kaaba is.

702
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:10,280
You know, that's the house of Abraham.

703
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,600
It's the same Abraham from the Bible and the Torah.

704
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,440
You know, that's, that's the same.

705
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:21,040
It's the same God, you know, it's definitely the same God that all three of the major religions

706
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:26,140
believe in and, you know, Vivek is Hindu and he mentioned, you know, he believes in one

707
00:39:26,140 --> 00:39:30,320
God and only one God, which is exactly the same phrase that Muslims used to describe

708
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:31,320
it.

709
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,640
And I like people of faith.

710
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:38,040
I think that the church of woke and I call it that because I think it does behave a lot

711
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:39,040
like a church.

712
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,760
I think it's an ideal.

713
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:45,480
I think it really is very much like a religion and it is a religion in many ways and a lot

714
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,760
of people who do not have other religion and I don't have any problem with atheists and

715
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:49,760
agnostics.

716
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,840
I was an agnostic for a long time.

717
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:54,400
I called myself an atheist for a while.

718
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,760
My brother said agnostic sounds better.

719
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,600
Sounds, sounds more open-minded because you're questioning rather than you're sure.

720
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:06,800
And so I kind of went from atheist to agnostic to sort of very broad believer to, you know,

721
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,080
where I am now.

722
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,320
But I think that having some kind of faith and you can even call it Mother Nature if

723
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:16,520
you want or the force, you know, from Star Wars, you know, something bigger than yourself.

724
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,940
There's something that we don't understand in the world.

725
00:40:18,940 --> 00:40:21,640
Some bigger force bigger than ourselves.

726
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:27,960
If you want to call that God or Allah or Mother Nature or fate or karma or whatever, you know,

727
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,240
I think there is something bigger than us that we don't understand and I think there

728
00:40:31,240 --> 00:40:34,040
is kind of good versus evil.

729
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:39,180
And you know, more recently in my journey over the last 10 years, I've kind of adopted

730
00:40:39,180 --> 00:40:42,640
this idea that there's some sort of intelligent design behind this.

731
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:44,280
I mean, there really is some incredible things.

732
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:48,420
If you look at, you know, we have this moon that moves around our planet and based on

733
00:40:48,420 --> 00:40:53,920
how it moves, it sucks up all the water in one area because of gravity and we have tides

734
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:59,040
and because of tides, we have billions and billions and billions of animals that live

735
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:00,580
because of the tides.

736
00:41:00,580 --> 00:41:06,760
Right here on my bay where I live, the low tide, the water goes out and the birds can

737
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,720
feed on all of the muscles and animals that are in there.

738
00:41:09,720 --> 00:41:13,360
And if we didn't have that, those animals wouldn't exist and the birds wouldn't exist.

739
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:18,680
And there's all these incredible things in our world that kind of leads me to think of

740
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:24,600
some sort of intelligent design and thinking about these broad issues of good versus evil.

741
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:29,920
You know, I think there really is evil in the world and I think that's epitomized by

742
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,940
you know, something like what I call the Church of Woke, you know, this ideology that worships

743
00:41:33,940 --> 00:41:39,600
the state and you know, anti-family, anti-a lot of the values, a lot of the traditional

744
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,980
values that most people of faith have.

745
00:41:42,980 --> 00:41:47,320
So yeah, I think it's all relevant to today and I've noticed a lot of people kind of turning

746
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:52,920
towards faith since the year 2000 or so with the lockdowns and the COVID tyranny or whatever

747
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:53,920
reasons that they had.

748
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:59,840
I think people are looking at this kind of chaotic, crazy world and saying, you know,

749
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:04,320
what did people, hundreds of years ago, people dealt with crazy chaos as well.

750
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,840
You know, there was a lot of people that turned to faith.

751
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:11,040
There was, I was down at the Jamestown settlement.

752
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:12,040
Where is that?

753
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:13,040
Is that Virginia?

754
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:14,040
Yeah, it must be Virginia.

755
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:18,840
There was a lot of people there visiting it and they have the chapel and you know, what

756
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:25,960
they've done and they have this monument to the pastor there and in I think two years,

757
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:32,640
like 35 people died out of like 90, you know, like a third of everybody died.

758
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:36,640
So here's this pastor you think like, okay, here's this little guy in this tiny, tiny,

759
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:41,680
tiny little town, you know, a town of 100 people in the middle of nowhere and basically

760
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:47,400
every single week, the guy's doing another funeral every week.

761
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,720
And I'm like, wow, what did he deal with?

762
00:42:49,720 --> 00:42:50,960
You know, and they turned to faith.

763
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:51,960
That's what people did back then.

764
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:56,360
You know, they were Christians, they turned to faith and you've seen that throughout history,

765
00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:01,200
you know, people in times of chaos have turned to faith and they've been rewarded for it.

766
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,280
And I think there's some universal truths in that, especially when you take the three

767
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:10,960
major big religions, Judaism, Islam and Christianity, there are common things.

768
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:16,840
I mean, and you know, I remember when I first started learning that living in Saudi Arabia

769
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,520
and saying, well, wait a minute.

770
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,280
I mean, are all these people wrong?

771
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,240
There's got to be some truths in this.

772
00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:25,720
There's got to be some kind of truths if all of these three religions, you know, there's

773
00:43:25,720 --> 00:43:27,480
got to be some sort of truths in this.

774
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,360
And that's, you know, that's kind of what I focused on.

775
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:31,360
Yeah.

776
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:38,880
The whole woke thing is basically to me, it looks like people who've replaced God with

777
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,240
humans, right?

778
00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:49,160
So they think that humans are the pre, you know, the, the, the highest level of, of enlightenment

779
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:56,400
that you can achieve in the universe and clear, clearly different from, you know, the religions

780
00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:02,040
you're talking about where, you know, humans acknowledge or believe that there is a more

781
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:10,120
enlightened something out there, right, that can guide them or can, you know, can sort

782
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:14,680
of be looked to as, as the Supreme Being.

783
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:22,600
So it's, it's pretty clear to me that you're right that the woke thing is, I hesitate to

784
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:27,000
call it a religion, but I guess in that regard, it's like the religion of humans, right?

785
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,040
As God, you know, and like, they think that we are it.

786
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:37,920
Like that's why I get so repelled when people talk about life extension and making people

787
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:38,920
immortal.

788
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:44,520
And I hear Vitalik Buterin talking about like, how can we have humans live till they're 300

789
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:45,520
years old?

790
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:49,960
And like, I'm just sitting there thinking, okay, wait a minute, humans aren't, aren't

791
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:50,960
thou that great?

792
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,440
Like, I don't want them around that long.

793
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,880
You know, it's like, there's so many things that can go wrong if you have that happen.

794
00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:02,000
You know, it's like, how do you, you know, you have even worse situations where people

795
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:07,880
maintain power and these power structures live for millennia.

796
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:09,320
I go a whole different way.

797
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:17,600
I mean, personally, I think that, you know, that, that we're just like a coincidence,

798
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,800
you know, I mean, I think that's where my mind tends to go.

799
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:25,040
You know, is that like, you know, humans, we think we're really cool and really smart

800
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:33,080
and really everything, but so do ants, you know, so, so, so do other animals and on other

801
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:37,160
planets, you know, if there are organisms and they, they can't think the way we can,

802
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:44,440
you know, it's still everything that we know and see is just like within our context, within

803
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,680
our realm of what we're able to, to understand.

804
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:52,640
And we don't know to what level we're able to understand the universe.

805
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:53,640
Right.

806
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:59,440
So I go with that agnostic route too, but I'm pretty cynical when it comes to a lot

807
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,480
of religious stuff and the woke stuff, forget it.

808
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,520
I mean, I think they're way off the rails.

809
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,760
That's one of the things Vivek has that I really appreciate.

810
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:13,320
Like the messaging on that stuff is right on, like it nails it for me, you know, as

811
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,040
far as that stuff he talks about.

812
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:16,040
Yeah.

813
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:22,400
I think you had, you had asked before my, my clock went off on why I ended up supporting

814
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:23,400
him.

815
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,640
I was like, I was going to support DeSantis.

816
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:29,560
You know, I like kind of, I like any other Republicans, Republican party grew on me.

817
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:34,920
I had been kind of, you know, very much libertarian and like a lot of other libertarians, I was,

818
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:39,640
you know, slightly Republican leaning, but real loyalty to the libertarians and no loyalty

819
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:40,640
to the Democrats.

820
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,920
And then, but after kind of becoming a, you know, as a candidate, you have to become an

821
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:48,720
official card carrying Republican, so to speak, you know, and I wanted to have some loyalty

822
00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:49,720
to that.

823
00:46:49,720 --> 00:46:54,560
I would run and then drop right back out of the party, you know, after the election.

824
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:59,400
So I still get invited to the Republican breakfasts and I know that, you know, state chair people

825
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,000
and you know, this kind of thing.

826
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,440
And they're very helpful to me as a candidate and that, you know, so I do feel some loyalty

827
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:09,000
and also I got to know a lot of the really good Liberty Republicans, you know, 20 years

828
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:16,320
ago it was like Thomas Massey and that was it, Ron Paul maybe, but now you have, you

829
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:22,680
know, Warren Davidson and Jim Jordan and Thomas Massey and Rand Paul and, you know, Ted Cruz

830
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:27,600
to some extent, you know, there is a solid Liberty wing of the, you know, very powerful

831
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,720
in New Hampshire politics.

832
00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:34,260
We dominate the state legislature and then in that nationally, it went from a couple

833
00:47:34,260 --> 00:47:39,000
people to a couple dozen and then there's a couple, you know, many dozens more that

834
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:45,000
maybe not libertarians like Massey, but they will lean for on certain issues like guns

835
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,880
or whatever.

836
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:52,760
So yeah, you know, the Republican party kind of grew on me, particularly the idea of being

837
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:56,160
a Liberty Republican, which I think is very distinctly different from, you know, what

838
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,920
I might call a McConnell Republican or a McCain Republican.

839
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:02,560
And so I knew I was going to support somebody.

840
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:07,200
I like DeSantis because as you know, I was a big advocate against the masks in schools.

841
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:12,560
I went and protested eight times at my school board, got removed by police five times.

842
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:13,560
Right on.

843
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,400
Yeah.

844
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,720
And so, you know, DeSantis was very good on the COVID policy.

845
00:48:19,720 --> 00:48:22,160
I think he was one of the better governors.

846
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,160
And that's why I moved to Florida.

847
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:25,160
Yeah.

848
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:26,480
I mean, he's great.

849
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:32,360
But interestingly, he hasn't had a perfect campaign up here in New Hampshire, just wasn't

850
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:33,960
as accessible and everything.

851
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,060
And I was skeptical when I first saw Vivek.

852
00:48:36,060 --> 00:48:40,840
When I first saw him, I said, oh, this is just a, you know, rich guy, vanity guy.

853
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,840
He's trying to sell books or whatever.

854
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:44,840
You know, I was sort of skeptical.

855
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:45,840
Then I listened to him a few times.

856
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:47,120
I'm like, this guy's good.

857
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:48,280
He's got some anti woke stuff.

858
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:49,280
I like that.

859
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:50,400
That was the first thing that I liked about it.

860
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:51,880
I said, but this guy's brave.

861
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:52,880
He's able to speak.

862
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:54,640
He's a pretty good speaker.

863
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,280
And then I saw him more and more.

864
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,240
I'm like, wow, he really is quite good.

865
00:48:58,240 --> 00:48:59,360
And then I got to meet him.

866
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,720
And the nice thing about New Hampshire, it's pretty easy to meet these candidates.

867
00:49:01,720 --> 00:49:05,480
So I've met Vivek, you know, 10 times now.

868
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:11,960
And after like the first time I saw him in person and met him and shook his hand, that

869
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,900
was, that was, it wasn't like instantly that I was like, okay, this is my guy.

870
00:49:15,900 --> 00:49:16,900
But I was definitely on the path.

871
00:49:16,900 --> 00:49:18,560
I said, wow, he's really special.

872
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,760
And then I felt like more of my candidate.

873
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:22,320
And then I'd see him do more and more things.

874
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,480
And he just very impressive.

875
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,080
And it's very interesting because he's won over a lot of people.

876
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:32,200
You know, you can't like, I'm not an easy person to get the endorsement from, not that

877
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:33,480
it matters too, too much.

878
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,720
It's not like I'm going to win somebody in election, but I care a lot.

879
00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:38,720
I have, I have solid principles.

880
00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:42,360
There's certain things I won't, you know, I'd rather go after endorse somebody who has

881
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,440
a 1% chance than somebody who has 70%.

882
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,820
And I'm not the kind of person if somebody says, Hey, we'll make you ambassador to Saudi

883
00:49:48,820 --> 00:49:52,960
if you endorse me, you know, or whatever, which, which isn't, isn't out of the realm

884
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,320
of possibility for some of these major candidates.

885
00:49:55,320 --> 00:50:00,320
It's a high stakes game, you know, an endorsement of somebody in New Hampshire who matters,

886
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:01,320
matters.

887
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:02,960
Uh, but I don't care about that stuff.

888
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:04,800
You know, I care about what's right and wrong.

889
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:11,320
And I got to know Vivek more and really truly believe that he is an extraordinary person,

890
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,520
uh, partly because of running in for office.

891
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:15,200
I see how hard it is to do some of this stuff.

892
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:20,580
He just had this, um, this, uh, activist who identified herself as pansexual who came

893
00:50:20,580 --> 00:50:25,240
up and asked him a kind of a gotcha question about, uh, gay marriage or something.

894
00:50:25,240 --> 00:50:26,400
And he's answered.

895
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:27,960
I wanted to play the clip.

896
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,520
I want to play it right now because I think it's so good.

897
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:31,520
Yeah, do it.

898
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:36,080
I heard it this morning and I was like, this is the best I've heard this guy sound.

899
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:40,160
Like the last thing I saw of him was him rapping Eminem and I was like cringe.

900
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:41,160
Right.

901
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:44,320
But then it's like, I heard this and I was like, Oh, this guy nailed it.

902
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:45,320
He does that a lot.

903
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:50,440
And I'm glad they've captured some of this on, on video because you know, I had a couple

904
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:51,940
strengths in my campaign.

905
00:50:51,940 --> 00:50:55,680
One of them was exactly that meeting people face to face just because I have kind of a

906
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:56,680
quick tongue.

907
00:50:56,680 --> 00:51:01,240
I was in sales debates, uh, tough questions from reporters that that was it.

908
00:51:01,240 --> 00:51:02,800
I was kind of like a two trick pony.

909
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,720
Those were my really, really good skills.

910
00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:07,540
And there's a lot of other things I didn't have great skills on.

911
00:51:07,540 --> 00:51:10,380
He has those two skills that I have, but way, way, way better.

912
00:51:10,380 --> 00:51:11,380
It's extreme.

913
00:51:11,380 --> 00:51:13,760
Even my best skill on my best day.

914
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:15,040
I don't think I could have done that.

915
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,720
And I don't think, and I think I'm really good at it actually.

916
00:51:17,720 --> 00:51:21,720
I don't think, let me play it so that people can hear it because it's really good.

917
00:51:21,720 --> 00:51:25,120
I was just wondering, what were your opinions on the LGBT people?

918
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,000
Well, I don't think it's one community.

919
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:28,000
Yeah.

920
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:29,000
I mean, how could it be?

921
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,560
I mean, we've all mashed together an alphabet soup.

922
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,000
Trans is fundamentally intention with gay, if you ask me.

923
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,480
But what's your opinion?

924
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:37,480
I am personally impansexual.

925
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:44,160
So I was just wondering what your views on same sex couples were.

926
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:49,600
I don't have a negative view of same sex couples, but I do have a negative view of a tyranny

927
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:50,600
of the minority.

928
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:55,000
So, so I think that in the name of protecting against the tyranny of the majority, and there

929
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:59,160
are times in this country's history where we have had a tyranny of the majority, we

930
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,400
have now in the name of protecting against the tyranny of the majority created a new

931
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,200
tyranny of the minority.

932
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:05,200
And I think that that's wrong.

933
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:09,400
I don't think that somebody who's religious should be forced to officiate a wedding that

934
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:10,400
they disagree with.

935
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:14,840
I don't think somebody who is a woman who's worked really hard for her achievements should

936
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:18,640
be forced to compete against a biological man in a swim competition.

937
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:23,160
I don't think that somebody who's a woman that respects her bodily autonomy and dignity

938
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:26,280
should be forced to change clothes in a locker room with a man.

939
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:27,840
That's not freedom, that's oppression.

940
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:32,520
And so I believe that we live in a country where free adults should be free to dress

941
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,320
how they want, behave how they want, and that's fine.

942
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:39,680
But you don't become oppressive by foisting that on others, and that especially includes

943
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,080
kids because kids aren't the same as adults.

944
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:46,560
And so I think adults are free to make whatever choices they want, but do not foist that ideology

945
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:53,120
onto children before children are in a position as adults to make decisions for themselves.

946
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,120
And so I think a lot of the frustration in the country, and if I'm being really honest,

947
00:52:56,120 --> 00:53:02,920
that I also share, comes from that new culture of oppression where saying those things can

948
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,200
actually get somebody punished.

949
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,680
And in my case, it's part of why it's my responsibility to say them.

950
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:12,160
And I respect that you may have a different opinion, and that's okay.

951
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:17,320
Part of what makes our country great is that you and I can be civil and have this conversation,

952
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:22,800
and that we live in a country that still gives us, each of us, the right to speak until presidential

953
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:26,960
candidate and back, and still say that we pledge allegiance to the same nation.

954
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,320
So I think that's the beauty of our country, and that's my honest opinion.

955
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:31,320
Awesome.

956
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:32,320
Well, thank you very much.

957
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:33,320
I appreciate that.

958
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:34,320
Thank you for your civility as well.

959
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:39,320
And he gets the handshake, which is key from this pansexual question.

960
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,240
I mean, you know what?

961
00:53:41,240 --> 00:53:46,920
It's like you hear pansexual and you're like, oh, she's just a troll, but maybe not.

962
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:53,800
It's like people are actually out there that have sincere, not everybody who's LGBTQIA plus

963
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,720
2S whatever is a troll.

964
00:53:56,720 --> 00:54:00,600
They're actually trying to live a life that's productive in America, and they want these

965
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:02,920
kinds of answers from people.

966
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:03,920
Yeah.

967
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,400
And what he did there is a master's class in answering.

968
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:11,200
He was calm, he was effective, he didn't take a wishy washy stance.

969
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:15,240
He took real and actually quite controversial opinions, but he delivered them in a way that

970
00:54:15,240 --> 00:54:20,320
was not offensive, even to the opposition, a respectful way.

971
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:25,520
He talked about the problems, but he also differentiated between adults and children.

972
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:26,520
And he talked about liberty.

973
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:30,920
He said something that I say many times, which is, I don't have a problem with adults.

974
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:36,240
There's a narrative that people say, oh, we want trans people to not exist, or we want

975
00:54:36,240 --> 00:54:39,200
them to die, or something like that.

976
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,640
Or we don't even want them allowed to do what they want to do.

977
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:46,440
I don't think that's in a libertarian position at all.

978
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:52,360
As a libertarian, I want everybody, I would actually defend someone's rights to dress

979
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:57,280
and address if they want to, or identify themselves however they want.

980
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:01,600
Or if you had an adult business, if you had a bar, let's say, suppose you have a trans

981
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:02,600
only bar.

982
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:06,700
I would absolutely support that business's right to exist.

983
00:55:06,700 --> 00:55:09,680
You can't go to a, I don't think you have the right to go to a trans only bar and say,

984
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,400
you must allow non-trans people in.

985
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,000
Let them do whatever they want.

986
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:19,520
But he made a key distinction between kids and adults, and his answer was just absolutely

987
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:20,520
on point.

988
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:22,840
And you can't, and this is what I mean about seeing him in person.

989
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,040
I've seen him do that many, many times.

990
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:26,640
I'm glad this one was caught on tape.

991
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:28,360
I've seen him in person.

992
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,800
He has an intelligence level that you can't fake.

993
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,480
You cannot do what he just did there by rehearsing it.

994
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:38,420
Maybe you could, maybe a really, really slick skilled, you know, one of these 90 styles

995
00:55:38,420 --> 00:55:42,640
politicians that I mentioned could rehearse that answer and almost deliver it as well.

996
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:47,840
You know, a Gavin Newsom type, but they can't just come up with it like he can.

997
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,320
And he isn't faking.

998
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:56,300
He really is leagues and leagues above the other people in the race, intelligence wise

999
00:55:56,300 --> 00:55:57,300
and ability wise.

1000
00:55:57,300 --> 00:55:59,620
He has actually, he's actually gifted.

1001
00:55:59,620 --> 00:56:02,920
And I look at the guy, sometimes when I'm in the audience, I've gone to a lot of his

1002
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,240
events and I say, this is somebody I would follow.

1003
00:56:05,240 --> 00:56:07,980
This 38 year old guy is somebody that I would follow.

1004
00:56:07,980 --> 00:56:10,120
This is somebody I want as my president.

1005
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:11,880
This is somebody who can do amazing things.

1006
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:13,220
He is smart.

1007
00:56:13,220 --> 00:56:18,820
He reminds me of the smartest of smart people in our space, both in terms of intelligence,

1008
00:56:18,820 --> 00:56:19,940
but also mannerism.

1009
00:56:19,940 --> 00:56:24,360
You know, like he reminds me of somebody I sit down with at the Satoshi Roundtable who

1010
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:29,960
is, you know, has half a billion dollars and did real successful things in our industry.

1011
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:31,240
And that's kind of what he is basically.

1012
00:56:31,240 --> 00:56:36,880
He's a self-made, very successful, technical, savvy, smart guy.

1013
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,000
You know, he was number 25 student in America.

1014
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,440
He went to Harvard and Yale.

1015
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:47,440
You know, he's, he's, he is actually intelligent and he's, and he's got a wit and his ability

1016
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:52,760
to speak and communicate is right up there with, you know, Ronald Reagan or Obama or

1017
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,680
Clinton or Milton Friedman, in my opinion.

1018
00:56:55,680 --> 00:57:00,920
Where does he stand on the whole bodily autonomy, medical tyranny stuff?

1019
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,120
Has he been public about that?

1020
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:04,120
Yeah.

1021
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:07,360
I mean, he's answered pretty much every kind of question.

1022
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:12,560
You know, he got, he was in the pharma business, but he was sort of anti-big pharma.

1023
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:19,040
You know, one of his big issues was trying to get faster approvals on drugs and working

1024
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:22,040
around the FDA system.

1025
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:25,080
He sounds like Trump with the vaccine.

1026
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:26,080
Yeah.

1027
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:27,080
Yeah.

1028
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:28,080
Yeah, exactly.

1029
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:29,080
Yeah.

1030
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:30,080
Operation Warp Speed.

1031
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:31,080
Right.

1032
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:32,080
Yeah.

1033
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:33,080
You know, he, I would say he's like 70% libertarian.

1034
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,240
He's not, or 80 maybe.

1035
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,400
He's certainly libertarian leaning.

1036
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,320
He's probably one of the most libertarian of mainstream candidates.

1037
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:43,640
You know, we just haven't had, he's probably very similar to Rand Paul, actually.

1038
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:45,960
Rand Paul is not the same as Ron Paul.

1039
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:49,240
I'm a fan of all of them.

1040
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:54,160
And you know, but he's not like the, you know, 100% everything libertarian.

1041
00:57:54,160 --> 00:58:00,720
He comes from more of a, you know, constitutional conservative kind of school as well, you know,

1042
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:01,720
which is great.

1043
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:03,400
The Constitution was a very good document.

1044
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:08,040
And he also has a lot of things driven by his legal knowledge.

1045
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:12,840
You know, he went to law school and he is a student of the Constitution who really cares

1046
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:13,840
about this.

1047
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:17,600
And he's done something that nobody's done in decades, which is actually think what powers

1048
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:22,240
the president has and how can you push this limit and how can you do these things under

1049
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:23,240
the rules?

1050
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:28,840
So I think overall, he wants to not have a big heavy, he certainly wants to cut government

1051
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:33,960
by over 75%, cut all the agencies, shutter some of the agencies, including the FDA and

1052
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:39,080
the FBI and severely reform things like the SEC.

1053
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:40,880
And I think that would be a huge start.

1054
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:46,240
And you know, that works to get these people out of our lives and our bedrooms and our

1055
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:53,840
wallets and against this kind of, you know, mandated, you know, tyranny of the, you know,

1056
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:58,000
telling people to wear masks and take experimental injections and this kind of thing.

1057
00:58:58,000 --> 00:58:59,000
Yeah.

1058
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:03,520
I saw he made billions in big pharma and it was just right away.

1059
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:08,880
I didn't dive in to learn everything, but to me it was like flashing red light, like,

1060
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,760
oh, something's going on here, but it makes me feel bad.

1061
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:13,440
I need to do more research on that.

1062
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:18,160
He's talked a lot about his, he was more like little pharma who became big.

1063
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:23,160
He wasn't like Pfizer guy, you know, he had his own startup basically that ended up doing

1064
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:25,840
extraordinarily well, kind of bucking the system.

1065
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:29,400
So it's, so, you know, sometimes you know me well enough to know how funny this is,

1066
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,800
but sometimes people will see that I'm SEC registered.

1067
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:33,600
They're like, oh, look at this guy.

1068
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:34,600
He's SEC registered.

1069
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:36,400
What could he possibly know?

1070
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:41,060
You know, they assume I'm some sort of status just because of the, the, the thing somebody

1071
00:59:41,060 --> 00:59:47,280
said on my bio, it said, you know, his operated broker dealers for 30 years and they said,

1072
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:48,960
oh, how could that be a positive?

1073
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,720
It's like, well, you've got to judge each person individually.

1074
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:55,600
He was under the system of the FDA, but he was very much at odds with these, you know,

1075
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:57,240
he was no friend of Pfizer.

1076
00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:03,280
You know, he was an, he was an opponent of these guys and he disliked the heavy handed

1077
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:05,880
bureaucracy, very similar to our SEC.

1078
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:11,760
I was in a call with him and some industry people not long ago.

1079
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:17,000
And you know, he's talked a lot about the, the similarities between the SEC and the FDA.

1080
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:22,960
You have opaque rules that only the, you know, in for SEC it's BlackRock and Goldman Sachs

1081
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:30,000
and JP Morgan for the FDA, it's, you know, Pfizer and, you know, the other big players.

1082
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:35,080
You know, it's a, it's a crony system with opaque rules, very hard for somebody to compete,

1083
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:40,560
very unfair, not doing its job in protecting Americans and it's rewarding cronies.

1084
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:44,840
So you see that a lot in these agencies and I think he'd be the right person to cut it.

1085
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:45,840
And he has a real plan.

1086
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:49,560
You know, he's actually talked about his plan to actually cut this stuff.

1087
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:50,560
Okay.

1088
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:52,800
But here's the real question.

1089
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:54,720
Does he have a chance?

1090
01:00:54,720 --> 01:01:02,160
I mean, you got this guy pretty unknown, 30 something Hindu, which is not a non-factor,

1091
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:03,160
right?

1092
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:06,760
As sad as it is, like people do care.

1093
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:12,160
He has these fringe views, which are still fringe, even though you and I share them.

1094
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:16,080
He's he's just non-conventional.

1095
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:17,240
Does he have a chance?

1096
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:22,100
Like if, if he doesn't have a chance, what is he really doing and why support him?

1097
01:01:22,100 --> 01:01:23,960
He does have a chance.

1098
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:25,560
It is an unusual election.

1099
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:26,840
There's a lot of unusual factors.

1100
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:30,240
The Trump factor is very unusual.

1101
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:31,240
There's some chance.

1102
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:35,440
Well, for one thing, you, you, you, if you're suppose you're Republican to have a plan B

1103
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:37,240
for Trump makes sense.

1104
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:38,800
You know, Trump is in his seventies.

1105
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:40,200
He's got significant legal problems.

1106
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:41,760
He may be barred from running.

1107
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:46,080
There could be other things that prevent him from even being able to take office.

1108
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:49,880
The weight of all these different cases and you know, any number of different factors.

1109
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:50,960
And I hope that doesn't happen.

1110
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:55,200
I think if that was to happen, then we need him more than ever because it'll be one of

1111
01:01:55,200 --> 01:02:00,760
our only hopes to, to, um, you know, save the Republic from, you know, we would be on

1112
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:02,000
the verge of civil war.

1113
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:06,800
If they, if they put Trump in a prison cell or say that he legally can't run, I think

1114
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:11,520
we'll have to have somebody like Vivek because he's, you know, we would need it be the only

1115
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:15,680
way you could unify, you know, the only way to like placate the Trump fans would be to

1116
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:21,520
have somebody who has a lot of similar similarity to Trump who hasn't criticized Trump, who

1117
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:24,520
has been a supporter of Trump as, as he has.

1118
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:26,100
And it's not just about placating people.

1119
01:02:26,100 --> 01:02:27,480
It's just about what's right and wrong.

1120
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:35,520
It's extremely wrong for America to have this kind of political targeting of, of the main,

1121
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:36,680
you know, front runner.

1122
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:39,040
So that is, you know, that is a real factor.

1123
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:44,360
The other thing is it's, although Trump is way, way, way ahead in the polls, that doesn't

1124
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:50,240
mean it's going to translate into, you know, you know, in the, in the ballot for the primary,

1125
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:54,920
you know, you, you, you have to win New Hampshire and Iowa, especially if you're Trump, you

1126
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:58,200
know, if you're Trump and somehow you get an upset, then all of a sudden, you know,

1127
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:04,800
the gigs up historically in a lot of these primaries, the person who was the absolute

1128
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:10,640
presumptive nominee and front runner at this stage before the first primary, you know,

1129
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:13,460
way before the first primary, those people end up losing a lot.

1130
01:03:13,460 --> 01:03:21,400
You know, you had, you know, Mario Cuomo and, and John Edwards and Gary Hart and, you know,

1131
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:24,480
the history is littered with Republicans.

1132
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:26,280
Even Ron Paul was a front runner.

1133
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:27,280
Yeah.

1134
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:28,280
Jeb Bush, perfect example.

1135
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:30,460
You know, he had it made.

1136
01:03:30,460 --> 01:03:35,560
And what happens is you don't want to underestimate the significance of these people like DeSantis

1137
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:37,160
and attacking Trump.

1138
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:42,040
Trump has not been attacked much by his own people.

1139
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:45,240
It's, you know, his supporters are going to support him if he gets attacked by the

1140
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:46,240
Wolks.

1141
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:47,240
Big deal.

1142
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:48,240
They don't care.

1143
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:50,840
But when you have somebody credible who's sort of one of their own, who's saying, hey,

1144
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:55,920
wait a minute, you didn't do, you know, you didn't drain the swamp.

1145
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:57,240
You kept Fowsy.

1146
01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:58,400
You didn't fire Fowsy.

1147
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:01,120
You did Operation Warp Speed.

1148
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:02,120
These kind of things.

1149
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:03,120
Those are harder.

1150
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:04,280
And Trump has made some blunders.

1151
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:08,040
Like, so far, I don't think he's ever properly addressed the Fowsy thing.

1152
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:12,000
He said, oh, you know, they're going to complain if I do and complain if I don't.

1153
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:13,280
And he just sort of changed the subject.

1154
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:16,920
I don't think that's sufficient enough to win the presidency.

1155
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,400
You do need to earn everyone's votes.

1156
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:20,500
Votes are fickle.

1157
01:04:20,500 --> 01:04:24,000
Even people who like him who are waving a Trump flag, you know, he could be one bad

1158
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:26,780
answer from losing that person as a supporter.

1159
01:04:26,780 --> 01:04:30,160
And meanwhile, you have somebody like Vivek where he's gaining momentum.

1160
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:35,520
This is a great place to be at this point in the race, you know, as he gains momentum,

1161
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:40,960
if he can make a strong showing at these debates, which is coming up in a couple of weeks and

1162
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:46,440
then really comes down to New Hampshire and Iowa, if he can, you know, he could do second

1163
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:49,280
place even in New Hampshire would be a huge victory.

1164
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:53,120
And then then people start saying, oh, which one do you like better, this one or this one?

1165
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:55,440
It becomes kind of a two man race.

1166
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:57,040
And that would bode well for him.

1167
01:04:57,040 --> 01:05:03,520
And then also, if he if he does that, then people say, OK, I like both these guys.

1168
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:07,880
Who has the better chance of beating Joe Biden or beating whoever the Democrat nominee is?

1169
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:12,920
I think everybody, even Trump's biggest fans and one of the reasons that I'm not, you know,

1170
01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:14,880
I'll support Trump if he gets the nomination.

1171
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:18,880
But the one reason I'm not like a diehard cheerleader for Trump is just he's just so

1172
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:19,880
polarizing.

1173
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:24,400
I don't want to go through another four years of orange man bad, everybody complaining about.

1174
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:28,280
And then he said this, you know, just twisting his quotes all.

1175
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:30,040
He said to inject bleach.

1176
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:33,880
He said Nazi neo Nazis are fine people, both of which are fake.

1177
01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:37,400
He didn't say either of those things, you know, and they'll just spend four years digging

1178
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:38,400
out every.

1179
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:42,440
I remember the last four years, it was just never ending nonsense.

1180
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:48,960
You know, every day was was, you know, feigned, you know, being horrified at like, you know,

1181
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:53,440
he said he said schools shouldn't have books, you know, or some crazy thing that he didn't

1182
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:54,440
even say.

1183
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:55,440
It gives him too much ammo.

1184
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:56,440
Right.

1185
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:57,440
Yeah.

1186
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:01,680
He's he's so hated that people can't think straight personally as American.

1187
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:02,880
I'd like our country to move on.

1188
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:05,160
And I think the vague is the best one to do that.

1189
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:06,920
And I and also I want to win.

1190
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:12,520
The last thing I want, you know, I'll take any of them over Biden or Gavin Newsom or

1191
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:15,280
Kamala or whatever, whatever clown they put in there.

1192
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:16,940
I mean, anybody's better than them.

1193
01:06:16,940 --> 01:06:21,800
So I want the person who's going to win and have the best chance of winning.

1194
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:25,960
If they can show through his extraordinary campaigning skill, and it really is, he really

1195
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:26,960
is formidable.

1196
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:29,280
He's running an incredible campaign.

1197
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:34,280
And you see his personal ability to speak and connect is is like no one else.

1198
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:38,820
If he can show that he he's a real contender, that can change the narrative.

1199
01:06:38,820 --> 01:06:42,920
And then the Trump fans, even some of the Trump fans can say, yes, this is a guy who

1200
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:48,800
can win the win the nomination and he can win the presidency because he clean he clean

1201
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:49,800
up.

1202
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:52,440
I mean, imagine imagine Biden answering that clip that you just played.

1203
01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:53,960
You know, Biden could never, ever do that.

1204
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:56,960
He's not capable of doing it.

1205
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:57,960
What would he say?

1206
01:06:57,960 --> 01:06:59,540
It would start with Come on, man.

1207
01:06:59,540 --> 01:07:01,120
Come on, man.

1208
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:02,120
Come on, man.

1209
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:03,120
Give me a break.

1210
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:04,120
Look at my record.

1211
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:06,680
I like ice cream.

1212
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:08,680
That's a stupid question.

1213
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:09,680
Yeah.

1214
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:14,160
I mean, even, you know, he used to be quick of wit if you look at him in the 80s, but

1215
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:15,160
he was a real jerk.

1216
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:16,160
Yeah.

1217
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:20,000
I mean, he was, you know, I know one of the things I respect about the vague versus my

1218
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:21,720
campaign style, I have a little bit of an edge.

1219
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:24,320
I'm a little bit more like a Ted Cruz or Marjorie Taylor Green.

1220
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:27,360
I can understand if people don't love me all the time.

1221
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:29,640
I'm not always warm and cuddly.

1222
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:31,360
The vague is much more likable.

1223
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:34,760
Biden, on the other hand, he's worse than any of these.

1224
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:36,720
He's in his day.

1225
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:37,720
You look back to him.

1226
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:42,760
I mean, look at the famous clip where the guy, the guy said something about his education

1227
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:47,480
and Biden really arrogantly rattled off all this stuff that turned out to all be nonsense.

1228
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:48,800
Like, who do you think you're talking to?

1229
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:53,160
I was number one in my law school, the Rhodes Scholar, and I went to Cambridge and I was

1230
01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:54,800
fourth in my class at Cambridge.

1231
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:55,800
All nonsense.

1232
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:57,080
He completely just made up the stuff.

1233
01:07:57,080 --> 01:08:01,240
He was, he was a politician from an era before cameras where you could get away with just

1234
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:04,920
saying complete and total nonsense and not get called on it.

1235
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:07,160
And then cameras came along and this was early.

1236
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:08,160
Biden wasn't used to it.

1237
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:12,240
This was like, I think in the late 80s or something when he was running for office before.

1238
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:14,760
And he just spewed all this nonsense.

1239
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:16,440
But he was a real jerk.

1240
01:08:16,440 --> 01:08:17,920
Even his best days.

1241
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:19,840
The vague is not a jerk at all.

1242
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:24,960
You know, I could see that, you know, the kind of Ted Cruz politician style that I have,

1243
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:28,120
you know, can be polarizing and ruffling.

1244
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:33,560
But the vague has that kind of Milton Friedman-esque quality of being able to say controversial

1245
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:36,680
things in a very calm and disarming way.

1246
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:38,720
It's hard to hate the vague.

1247
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:40,680
And that's, that's not insignificant.

1248
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:44,480
I don't really want a president that, you know, a third or half the country hates.

1249
01:08:44,480 --> 01:08:48,640
You look, look, who's been winning lately though?

1250
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:49,640
Jerks.

1251
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:52,720
Like, you know, I mean, you know, Trump, Biden.

1252
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:55,600
I mean, Obama wasn't a jerk, I guess.

1253
01:08:55,600 --> 01:09:01,920
He was more in that category of well-spoken and calm, you know.

1254
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:05,880
But at some point things change.

1255
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:12,240
That's what makes me wonder, like, is does a nice guy really have a shot at this point?

1256
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:15,880
You know, I mean, DeSantis is more of, I'd say he's more of a jerk, right?

1257
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:17,800
I mean, he's kind of borderline.

1258
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:22,880
Like he kind of, I mean, but he definitely comes off like he, you know, he's not, like

1259
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:27,360
I wouldn't particularly want to hang around with him a lot.

1260
01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:31,440
I think he'd be a good leader, but that's like, you know, I mean, he doesn't seem like

1261
01:09:31,440 --> 01:09:33,600
he'd be like the most fun guy.

1262
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:37,320
Like, so then that's why I see Vivek out there doing Eminem.

1263
01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:41,400
And I'm like, well, is this really a winning strategy anymore these days?

1264
01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:42,720
Do people really want this?

1265
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:47,080
And he's both, he's, he's really likable, but he also has substance.

1266
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:51,280
So he has like a hard edge reminds me a lot of, we were talking about religion, a lot

1267
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:56,840
of religious people that I know, they are very soft spoken and kind and calm.

1268
01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:58,760
It's kind of, kind of goes with the territory.

1269
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:02,480
I mean, it's, it, you'd be an unusual religious leader if you're out there dropping the F

1270
01:10:02,480 --> 01:10:07,040
bomb and calling everybody a-holes, you know, so a lot of them are very calm, but they,

1271
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:10,920
but they, a lot of them have an inner, inner strength, you know, they, and I feel like

1272
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:15,440
Vivek has that, you know, he's very calm and nice, but he's not a pushover.

1273
01:10:15,440 --> 01:10:20,480
He's not a guy who's just, I mean, even, even, even with me as controversial as I am, there's

1274
01:10:20,480 --> 01:10:25,880
certain things where I'll just kind of, you know, I get these questions during the campaign

1275
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:29,720
and I would just kind of diffuse it or change the subject.

1276
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:30,720
He doesn't do that.

1277
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:31,720
He doesn't back down.

1278
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:36,360
He'll say a very controversial thing unapologetically right to someone's face.

1279
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:38,000
So I think it's a unique combo.

1280
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:43,440
I think he, you want to separate the, the charisma and the speaking skills, which he

1281
01:10:43,440 --> 01:10:48,760
has, which are just like Obama and Clinton, who are both, you know, not good people, but

1282
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:50,020
they had good skills.

1283
01:10:50,020 --> 01:10:54,120
So hopefully you get somebody who has good skills, who's also a good person, who also

1284
01:10:54,120 --> 01:11:00,200
has a strong Liberty streak and a strong constitutional streak and his ideas are good.

1285
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:05,840
Cause Obama great speaker, bad ideas and bad, and really bad implementation and bad, you

1286
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:09,760
know, he was, he wasn't grounded and you know, his overall philosophy was broken, but he

1287
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:10,760
was a great speaker.

1288
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:14,560
So hopefully we get somebody who's a good speaker, who's also a good person.

1289
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:16,320
Yeah, exactly.

1290
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:20,200
And I think the most important thing for me, cause I would love to see somebody with his

1291
01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:21,800
principles when I would love it.

1292
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:27,040
I would just, you know, it would be great to have president Vivek, but I'm so jaded

1293
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:32,760
after all these decades on this planet, observing this nonsense system that we have.

1294
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:37,640
I right now, I believe that if he won the nomination, he wouldn't have a chance to win

1295
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:39,000
the election.

1296
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:44,760
And so what I would love Vivek, if you're listening to this, I would love it if you

1297
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:51,080
could convince people like me that you actually have a shot against, you know, whether it's

1298
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:54,280
a Biden or a Newsome or whoever the hell surfaces.

1299
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:56,120
I don't think it'll be Kamala, but whatever.

1300
01:11:56,120 --> 01:12:00,140
Any of them, because the left is so, they don't care.

1301
01:12:00,140 --> 01:12:04,160
They defend Joe Biden, even though he lies, he's old, he's senile.

1302
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:05,240
Like they don't care.

1303
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:08,000
They're not defending the person they're defending.

1304
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:10,960
They feel like they're on the defense against the right.

1305
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:11,960
Right?

1306
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:14,000
So it's like they'll vote for anybody that's in that spot.

1307
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:17,880
It could be Donald fricking Duck and they're going to vote for Donald Duck.

1308
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:24,680
So it's like, how can a Vivek, who's a young unknown Hindu guy, possibly overcome that

1309
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:29,920
with like the middle of the road, you know, women of America who basically decide these

1310
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:30,920
elections.

1311
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:35,400
Like that's what I would love to, if I could get there, then I could totally full on support

1312
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:36,400
him right now.

1313
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:40,200
I think DeSantis has a way better shot of winning like a general election than Vivek.

1314
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:42,760
But I think, I think, I think he's got more broad appeal.

1315
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:44,920
He's got the appeal with the youth.

1316
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:50,160
He's harder to attack, which diffuses a lot of the Democrat energy.

1317
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:54,760
He talks about, I think he can win over, it's interesting, you know, the moms and the women

1318
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:58,920
do decide elections to a good degree.

1319
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:01,040
And the old, old men too.

1320
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:05,760
Those are your big voters, women and old men.

1321
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:09,720
But I think he can reach, you know, he can get kind of the Trump people, but I think

1322
01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:12,800
he can, independence is where it's ultimately decided.

1323
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:17,200
And I think the way he's the right person at the right time in talking about some of

1324
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:21,240
these culture war, trans issues and things like that, because you, you, the way that

1325
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:25,680
he answered that woman in the clip that you mentioned, you'll notice he talked about a

1326
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:29,480
couple of things from a compassionate standpoint, like, Hey, what about a woman who's worked

1327
01:13:29,480 --> 01:13:33,140
hard who doesn't want to compete against a man in her sport?

1328
01:13:33,140 --> 01:13:34,840
That is a way that you can win over.

1329
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:38,680
Now, that person was a specific activist far away from Vivek.

1330
01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:42,560
I don't know if he won that woman over, but he certainly diffused her.

1331
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:45,680
And I think that she's not representative of the average voter either.

1332
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:47,600
She's probably a far left voter.

1333
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:52,840
But the regular independents who thought that they were jumping into this trans thing because

1334
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:56,280
they're trying to help human rights or help women or whatever.

1335
01:13:56,280 --> 01:14:00,000
I think he can address that in a very calm way and be like, no, actually, that's not

1336
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:01,000
the case.

1337
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:03,360
And by the way, you're wrong on Ukraine as well.

1338
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:05,280
And you're wrong on this and this and this.

1339
01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:09,040
And I think he can communicate in a way that people respect.

1340
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:13,440
And maybe even if they don't agree, they can say, OK, this is somebody that I can respect

1341
01:14:13,440 --> 01:14:15,600
as a person and I sort of trust them.

1342
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:19,040
And, you know, it's a way for our country to move forward.

1343
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:22,240
I mean, if he were to run against Biden, I mean, can you imagine Biden wouldn't even

1344
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:23,540
be able to do a debate?

1345
01:14:23,540 --> 01:14:28,000
It would be such a contrast to see this young, energetic guy who can think on his feet, who's

1346
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:33,880
a brilliant genius versus this old daughtering guy whose best days are 40 years ago.

1347
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:37,840
And even in his best days was never one tenth of the guy that Vivek is.

1348
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:42,040
He's never, never been as smart, never been as quick, never been as likable.

1349
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:45,120
And I don't think they're going to let Biden run, which is just that we should prepare

1350
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:47,620
ourselves now for yet another gaslighting.

1351
01:14:47,620 --> 01:14:50,720
They're going to throw somebody else in last minute and the Democrats are going to act

1352
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:52,640
like this person was there all the time.

1353
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:56,440
And they're going to totally forgive and forget that the party has gaslighted them for four

1354
01:14:56,440 --> 01:15:00,600
years pretending that this daughtering fool is coherent or capable.

1355
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:02,080
And we all know he's not.

1356
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:04,960
We all know he's incompetent and they know it too.

1357
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:08,160
But they're going along with the lie and they're going to pretend like, oh, yeah, sure.

1358
01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:10,800
You know, he was he was a wonderful president.

1359
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:14,040
But you know, whatever for health reasons or if he dies or whatever.

1360
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:16,220
Oh, now we've got this other guy, Newsome.

1361
01:15:16,220 --> 01:15:20,480
But Newsome is kind of like, you know, he's a he's a times are changing.

1362
01:15:20,480 --> 01:15:26,440
There will be millennial, a millennial president and eventually a Gen Z president.

1363
01:15:26,440 --> 01:15:31,700
Vivek is the first one of this profile to run as a millennial, you know, first millennial

1364
01:15:31,700 --> 01:15:32,700
to run.

1365
01:15:32,700 --> 01:15:37,240
But he's not going to be the last 100 percent certain a millennial will win because the

1366
01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:42,440
80 year old, the Mcconnell's and the Pelosi's, they just statistically cannot be around

1367
01:15:42,440 --> 01:15:45,920
much longer, five or 10 years max.

1368
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:47,360
Maybe now, maybe one year.

1369
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:49,000
You know, maybe now is the time to switch.

1370
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:51,640
But it will switch and the young people will vote more.

1371
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:53,400
And I'm optimistic.

1372
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:58,320
America's had a lot of problems in history, you know, 1968, 1932, you know, various years

1373
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where we we almost elected communists.

1374
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:10,920
We had total civil rights collapse and a war and assassination of permanent people in 68.

1375
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:11,920
And we came out of it.

1376
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:15,920
And I'm hoping that the pendulum swings the other way and we can come out of this, you

1377
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:18,520
know, come out of this mess on the other side.

1378
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:20,020
And this would be a perfect person to do that.

1379
01:16:20,020 --> 01:16:23,840
So anything can happen in these kind of crazy times of chaos, a fourth turning.

1380
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:25,720
So he certainly could do it.

1381
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:26,720
And I'm I'm.

1382
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:28,560
I'd love to see it, man.

1383
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:33,080
This is why we have to be anti life extension, too, because who wants Nancy Pelosi living

1384
01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:34,080
another 100 years?

1385
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:35,480
I mean, come on, let's be honest.

1386
01:16:35,480 --> 01:16:39,840
That would be the worst thing for an office, especially.

1387
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:42,840
But yeah, we got to switch it up.

1388
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:44,840
And, you know, it's up to us as a as a country.

1389
01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:45,840
Why not?

1390
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:47,320
We have to do it at some point.

1391
01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:48,520
And this is exactly what we need.

1392
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:49,520
It really enthuses me.

1393
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:54,080
You know, some of his speeches bring tears to my eyes when he talks about, you know,

1394
01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:56,760
there's something as simple as cutting 75 percent of all the office.

1395
01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:59,800
Just go in and just slash everybody by 75 percent.

1396
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:04,200
And that sounds radical, but that brings us back to like second term Obama.

1397
01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:05,960
You know, that's not it.

1398
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:06,960
It's not like the thing.

1399
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:10,200
You know, it's not like we didn't have big government under Obama.

1400
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:15,000
You know, it's not like he's trying to, you know, cut us back to 1913 or something.

1401
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:18,680
It'd be interesting to see how many people were in the federal government in 1913 as

1402
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:19,680
a percentage.

1403
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:23,920
But, you know, we have we have millions of people working for government now.

1404
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:26,800
And we could we could definitely cut 75 percent.

1405
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:30,920
Most Americans would never would not only not notice anything bad, they'd notice something

1406
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:31,920
good.

1407
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:33,760
You're speaking my language, baby.

1408
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:35,600
I hope I hope we can get there.

1409
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:36,600
I hope we can.

1410
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:39,800
Well, I'll be keeping an eye on Vivek for sure.

1411
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:41,080
Thanks for filling in the gaps for me.

1412
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:45,880
Like I learned a lot just from you just, you know, getting some more context.

1413
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:50,520
If you don't take the time to dig in on these things, it's like you never really, really

1414
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:52,720
get there, especially on candidates like him.

1415
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:57,040
So, yeah, everybody should take the time because the thing is, you know, like I mentioned,

1416
01:17:57,040 --> 01:17:58,980
they know all everything about who votes.

1417
01:17:58,980 --> 01:18:02,720
And the sad thing is most people don't vote and they don't and they especially don't vote

1418
01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:03,800
in primaries.

1419
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:08,640
So you have this in New Hampshire, it's this small number of 79 year olds on average who

1420
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:09,640
vote in the primaries.

1421
01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:12,120
They get to decide and we know exactly who they are.

1422
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:15,220
There's 30,000 of them that are like the super likelies.

1423
01:18:15,220 --> 01:18:20,220
And those people, they count like eight times more than a normal citizen.

1424
01:18:20,220 --> 01:18:25,120
And that's a shame because every citizen who is, you know, 17 and a half years old or above,

1425
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:27,600
you know, is going to be 18 by the election.

1426
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:30,120
They should all be active in this.

1427
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:35,000
You know, there's the old saying, you know, if you don't pay attention to politics, it

1428
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:36,000
doesn't matter.

1429
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:37,960
Politics is still going to pay attention to you.

1430
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:42,880
This stuff affects everybody's life and we all owe it to ourselves, not just to our country

1431
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:48,760
or to our neighbors, but we owe it to ourselves to just do our small part, look into the candidates,

1432
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:55,720
give them a couple of bucks, you know, be a volunteer, spread the word and, you know,

1433
01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:56,720
make a bet on somebody.

1434
01:18:56,720 --> 01:18:57,720
Right.

1435
01:18:57,720 --> 01:19:04,360
And in other words, wake up Americans, stop being such complacent sheep and just doing

1436
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:06,560
what the media tells you to do.

1437
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:12,080
You know, talk to all the people from Russia and Cuba and places like that.

1438
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:14,040
Don't get to a point where you regret it.

1439
01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:17,000
Because if you don't get it together soon, smart people like me and Bruce are going to

1440
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:19,000
get the hell out of here.

1441
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:22,120
I'm going to tell you to, you know, solve your own problems.

1442
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:24,320
We're going to go live on an island somewhere.

1443
01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:25,320
Exactly.

1444
01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:26,320
All right, man.

1445
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:27,320
Hey, thanks for jumping on.

1446
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:28,320
I appreciate it.

1447
01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:29,320
It's always great talking to you.

1448
01:19:29,320 --> 01:19:30,320
Thank you.

1449
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:31,320
Absolutely, man.

1450
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:47,680
You have a good one.