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He is back. The legendary Gary Yourofsky is back

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from retirement after 11 years of silence to

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sound the alarm on the dire lack of funding to

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animal sanctuaries. More specifically, Sesha

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Farm, a sanctuary he has volunteered for since

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around 1995 and one of the oldest, if not the

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oldest, vegan farm sanctuary in the world. You

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are listening to The Vegan Report. My name is

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Ryan and today I gave you an exclusive interview

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with the man who has moved millions of hearts

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to embrace veganism. We discussed the burnout

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that led him to retirement, the behind the scenes

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of the best speech you will ever hear. effective

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altruism, and, as the man who reportedly veganized

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8 % of Israel's population, his thoughts on the

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mass exodus of Jewish vegan activists from the

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movement. Support Sasha Farm now. Don't let them

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sink. Visit the episode notes for a link to their

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website. And thank you for tuning in every Tuesday

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as we go from adventure to adventure covering

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fascinating people and topics. Please share the

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podcast with your fellow vegans. Your support

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makes a real difference. uh told me that the

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reason why they became vegan was because of you

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and more specifically because of that famous

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speech you know the most important speech you

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will ever hear here um so it it is really wonderful

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to have you on well again thanks and uh i'm amazed

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that that speech had such a uh far reach i knew

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it was a great speech though i don't want to

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sound narcissistic because to me though It was

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the only positive thing I've really given to

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this planet. So I am proud of it. But I am blushing

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when I hear about all the people around the world

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that have gone vegan or become a better activist

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because of my work. So I'm truly humbled by it.

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Yeah, I had one guest describing herself as being

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a Yurovsky vegan. Oh, that's cool. You know what

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I say? I'm in Germany right now. I was in Frankfurt

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and I'm in Cologne. And nearly everyone I'm running

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into is vegan from me. I call him Gary Vegan.

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So she saved the last name. Same thing, same

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thing. So when I first heard the speech that

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you have recently given, the first one in 11

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years, I was really happy about it. I guess lots

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of people were missing you. And I'm wondering

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now that you're doing interviews, Are you back

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from retirement? It appears I am back. I don't

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know what the future holds. I don't foresee myself

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giving presentations like I used to right now.

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I'm feeling really comfortable and I'm being

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drawn to the podcast world to give interviews

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and to frankly talk about some old war stories,

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talk about things I've went through. And I am

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back to on behalf of Sasha farm. It's a place

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I've been going to for in almost 30 years, and

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they're really struggling now. Fundraising for

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me is a totally different game, not my bailiwick.

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It takes a special quality to do it, so I'm just

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being blunt about it. Please send money, it helps

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Asha Farm. I don't know how else to say it, but

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they are struggling, and sanctuaries around the

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world are struggling too right now. So I was

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happy to give that speech. I felt a little choppy,

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but that's to be expected after 11 years. It

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was crazy because back in the day, especially

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my main speech that everybody knows, it's a 70

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-minute speech. It was all up here in my head.

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There are no notes anymore. In fact, at that

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time, I had different versions of that speech

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in my head. There were five, 10, 15 different

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paragraphs I could use at each juncture. I was

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having a tough time memorizing the five -minute

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speech, so how things change. But hey, I'm older.

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You lose a step sometimes. Tom Brady lost a step

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last year of his football career. Michael Jordan

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lost a step. So I just have to accept that that

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lost a step. But I but I still got the words.

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I can still explain it. So yeah, we're gonna

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flow with it. It was an amazing speech. I really

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I felt touched by it. And I was so happy that

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you brought up the issue of sanctuaries. And

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we will definitely you know, cover that in this

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conversation. But first, you know, you made that

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decision to retire about 11 years ago, and I

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thought it was a really wise decision to, you

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know, be mindful of yourself and decide to stop

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when it was time to stop. Do you have any advice

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for the activists out there who are, you know,

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just in burnout mode right now who are just need

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maybe that permission to take a step back. I

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was stressed out beyond belief. My brain had

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melted. The last few years of giving lectures,

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when the arguments did arise, I no longer understood

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what we were arguing about. I was asking people

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to stop stealing somebody else's baby, stop raping

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somebody else, stop killing somebody else, stop

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viewing somebody else as your property. And then

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there was pushback as we all get and it just

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didn't make sense anymore. I had been going so

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hard at that time. I think it was 18 years in

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the trenches. You know the things that I did

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13 arrests civil disobedience direct action to

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make liberation jail time 2660 lectures and mind

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you I wasn't speaking to vegans I wasn't speaking

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to crowds that were open -armed in fact all my

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lectures Started out like this with people with

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crossed arms. Oh boy. Here comes the crazy vegan.

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I'll be gonna listen to this shit so I went into

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every room hated and I took it for the animals.

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I'll bear the brunt. I told him I'd give him

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my life. And even though I'm still alive right

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now, I died inside a long time ago. I never really

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took much care of myself beyond the fact that

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I was working out every day at the gym, and I

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still do. And it's not that I don't like that,

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but... It's people can be so superficial. I had

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to stay extra fit to make sure the crowd would

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look especially the guys Who would always come

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up to me and say man, you're pretty big vegan

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I don't know vegans could look that good like

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in my head I'm going man I really have to get

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up at five in the morning to work out just so

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you'll listen to me more but I will and I did

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But yeah, I was always the last person I thought

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about so think about yourself and de -stress

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I don't want you to stop though until you have

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to I mean, push it to the end, but stress is

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real. Stress can mess with your body. It can

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do damage. We all know that. If I can just say

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one more thing about the whole thinking of that.

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A lot of people misunderstand me and misread

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me. Oh, Gary's narcissistic. Everything's got

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to be about him. When I did that make liberation

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and I busted into that farm and opened up those

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cages. The first time I thought about myself

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was two years later, when the trial ended, they

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found me guilty, put me in a cell, and they closed

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the door. And I said, oh, Lord, what have I done?

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Where am I? Holy shit. You're in jail, man. That

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was the first time because it was always them

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first. And we should always put the animals first.

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They deserve it. They're the ones being abused

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the most. So nothing was ever narcissistic that

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I did. I just, I was a man of action. I couldn't

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stop. But it is important to take care of yourself.

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Do some more deep breathing, which is what I'm

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doing nowadays, which is what I did before this

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lecture, by the way. Lay down on the bed and

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breathe for a half an hour. It's always tough

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for me to breathe though. It's still hard for

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me to relax and calm down, but it does wonders.

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I feel a lot better right now. Yeah, try to decompress.

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I don't know if everyone else has the crazy brain

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that I have. The brain I have is a curse and

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a blessing. The blessing is it came up with all

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those wonderful speeches and all these great

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arguments, but the curse was this brain would

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not let me sleep at night. That's why I came

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up with that stuff. As soon as I laid down, my

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brain would put me in a mock debate. with Stephen

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Colbert, with John Stewart, with Sean Hannity,

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and my brain would say, well, what are you gonna

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say when they say this? And they'd say, oh, I

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just wanna sleep, wait, but they're gonna say

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this, Gary, what are you gonna say? And then

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I go, oh, I got something really good, okay,

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I got it, I got it. Can I go to sleep now? And

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then my brain would say, no, no, no, because

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then they're gonna say this, and what are you

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gonna say, so. Try to relax your brain somehow.

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I wish, in fact, if somebody knows how, please

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tell me, get ahold of me. I had insomnia. This

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will probably freak a lot of people out. For

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the last 25 years, and this will be my 29th year

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of veganism, I've only slept about two hours

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a night during that whole lecture tour when I

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was on the road for 12 and a half years, two

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hours a night. And mind you, I was rarely doing

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one lecture a day. It was usually two, a lot

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of times three, sometimes four, five, six, seven

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talks in one day where I would start at seven

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thirty in the morning for that early morning

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class and I wouldn't finish until eight o 'clock

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at night. Then I jump in the car and drive eight

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hours to the next city to get ready for the morning

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class at eight o 'clock. I couldn't stop. I didn't

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want to stop. I take nothing back. Made a promise

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to the animals a long time ago again that I give

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my life for them and and and and I don't I don't

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regret it But I do wish somehow I would have

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taken better care of myself So just watch out

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if you see signs of of stress on your body you

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see inflammation Maybe your hands are hurting

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your legs are hurting You can't relax. Take a

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quick break. Take a week off do nothing It's

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also hard for me though to really tell people

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to stop because I don't want people to stop But

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I'll make this deal with you and everyone else

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everybody at least put in the 18 years hardcore

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in the trenches that I put in and then you could

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relax and take some time off but Push push it

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till you can't push it anymore step back and

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take a break and look after yourself Yeah, it

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is um deceiving how, you know, we always see

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are the videos of your speeches. We don't see,

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you know, what's happening beyond that. We don't

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see the pain. We don't see all the, you know,

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tears, blood, sweat you put in the work. And

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in those speeches, you look wonderful. Like you're

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such a great communicator. I mean, I guess even

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your detractors would uh given to that point

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that you know you're amazing at communication

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and if only we all had that skill you know maybe

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we could advance the cause um but at least we

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can share your videos we can share videos of

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your speeches and just so you know it poured

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out of me so easily because it touched my heart

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i saw those animals i felt their pain and i couldn't

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be silent If you ask me right now, you start

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asking me questions. What about taxes? Are they

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too high? What about this issue? I wouldn't know

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what to say. I can't speak like that about anything

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else. And all vegans are touched by the animals.

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That's why we embrace this lifestyle. So speak

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the same way, just to speak for them like you

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would want to be spoken for if you were in their

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position. Um, and just let it pour out and don't

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be afraid to say things that people don't want

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to hear. I think that's what separated me a lot

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from others is don't be a politician. I think

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I said it in the speech too. I don't say what

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they need to hear, not what they want to hear.

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You'd be surprised most of my professors were

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not vegans. In fact, the majority of them were

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meat eaters. And the comment that I got from

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them was, man, I never heard anybody speak so

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openly and honestly about every issue that was

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asked, every question. I mean, this is what freaked

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people out is I got questions that were radical.

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Hey, do you support violence or do you support

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breaking into a building and burning it down?

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I gave them my honest answer, which a lot of

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people don't want to hear, but hey, it's how

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I felt. Why would I give your answer? It's my

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answer. It's genuine. It's real. And it's okay

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to disagree. You brought up my detractors a moment

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ago, and I would like to say something to them

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because it's okay to not agree with me on some

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issues. In fact, don't agree with me 100 % of

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the time. Because I don't believe in any ways.

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You should not be agreeing with one person on

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this planet 100 % of the time. But that doesn't

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mean you can't be a supporter, a friend, or a

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fan of that person. It means phrase it like,

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hey, no, I don't like Gary's position now on

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the human rights movement. But man, was he a

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hell of a vegan lecturer. In fact, he turned

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me vegan. This is what I find odd is a lot of

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my detractors are Gary vegans. Like the guy that

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showed you the light, you're mad at him now because

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he won't take a certain position on some issue

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that you feel strongly about. Well, hey, that's

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your issue. You feel strongly about it. So it's

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weird. I kind of went from really, really radical

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and wanting to end fight, which I regret so much

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these days. Honestly, I take back the infighting

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and never accomplished anything People were always

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gonna do things the way they wanted to do it.

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So Nowadays, I'm actually a mediator. I'm trying

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to explain and bring peace amongst vegans It's

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hard to do. Humans seem to be an incorrigible

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species when it comes to getting along, especially

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with people who believe the same things they

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believe. It's amazing to me that nobody can get

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along because of one disagreement on what issue,

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even though we agree, maybe 80%, 90 % of the

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time, people are looking at the 10 % disagreement

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and say, well, I can't be your friend anymore.

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Nah, I don't like that. I don't like your stance

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on that. There's so many different issues out

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there. I mean, and it's not just one issue like

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the Israeli -Palestinian issue. What about pro

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-life, pro -choice? What about pro -gun, anti

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-gun? How are we all going to always line up

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the same on all these issues? But the truth is

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we need to line up on the main issue, the important

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issue, and that's animals don't deserve pain,

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don't deserve suffering, they don't deserve to

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be commodified, they deserve their freedom, life,

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liberty, and happiness, just like humans do.

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And that's what I chose to do, be a mouthpiece

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for them, not for anyone else. Amen to all of

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that. I mean, truly, in this podcast, I've welcomed

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people from every horizon of life. I've welcomed

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pro -life vegans, I've welcomed pro -choice vegans,

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I've welcomed conservative vegans, radical left

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-wing vegans, and I don't see where the problem

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is. I really don't. People leave comments and

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send me messages, but it doesn't connect. I feel

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like we're all on the same team. We're team green.

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We're team pro animals. Why would we not unite

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despite our differences for that great cause?

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If there was one cause on this earth that would...

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you know, push us, inspire us to unite, it would

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be the animal cause. I would think so too. And

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it's, it's, it's kind of heartbreaking. I mean,

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I was in Frankfurt doing that, that sanctuary

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lecture that everybody just saw the first one.

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And there were people that were trying to get

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people not to join the fundraiser that I was

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putting on for Sasha Farm because, oh, Gary said

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this once and Gary did this once. Well, first

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of all, none of that money went to me. So, technically,

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I would understand if the fundraiser, hey, let's

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give Gary some money for all the things he did.

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Okay, I actually can see you not wanting to give

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me money. I paid $800 of my own money on an airplane

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ticket to get down there just so I could raise

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a few thousand bucks for the sanctuary. It wasn't

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for me. So again, can't you say, well, I didn't

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like when Gary said this, but man, that money's

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going to Sasha Farm and Sasha Farm really needs

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it. They're in a bad state right now. So I'm

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going to give that money, which they didn't do.

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Please, by the way, if the detractors are listening.

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Can you go to SashaFarm .org and give a donation

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to them? I don't receive compensation from Sasha

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Farm. I'm doing this out of the kindness of my

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heart because I've been going there for 30 years

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and I would simply die if they ever went under.

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It would really break my heart. So please keep

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that sanctuary alive. You could even make a note,

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Gary sucks, but here's 100 bucks, okay? Honestly,

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but again, can't we just get past the childish

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behavior of disagreeing on one issue and then

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not being somebody's friend anymore? Listen,

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even your own partner, don't tell me that whoever

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your partner is in life, you're in 100 % agreement.

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Because if you're telling me this, I think you're

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lying or they're lying to you to make you think

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that they always agree. It can't happen. You

00:19:03.099 --> 00:19:05.259
can't like the same music. You can't like the

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same movies and the movie stars. You can't be

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aligned on every single issue on the planet.

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It can't happen. But what we can do is unite

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on behalf of the animals and that's what we need

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to do. They're the most abused, most oppressed,

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most murdered. It's time to help them. I want

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to focus on them the most. I completely agree

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on that. I agree 100%. By the way, you can agree

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on issues that I bring up 100%. But yeah, overall,

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there's going to be something I say that you're

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going to go, but whatever, just go, okay, move

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on to the leg. I still can't get past this guy's

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vegan lecture. And by the way, the most important

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speech ever, I just want to clarify something.

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I did not title that. Maybe people think I'm

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narcissistic because I put that. Do you know

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that I had been lecturing from 2002 full -time,

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2002 to 2010 when that speech at Georgia Tech

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was recorded and never released one? At that

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time, I think there were about 1 ,500 lectures

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because I I was only focused on the students

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in every class. That was my focus. These 25 students,

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these 150 students, these 300 students, that

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was my goal. And I didn't want to share with

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others because I was in the zone. So a student

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that I want to give out a big shout out to right

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now, Nathan Black, a Georgia Tech student, sends

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me an email about two or three days before that

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lecture and he says, Gary, I heard you speak

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last year at Georgia Tech and you changed my

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life. Could I come to your speech in a couple

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days in Professor Klein's class? Could I record

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it and put it on YouTube? He's like, yeah, I

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don't care, whatever. And keep in mind, too,

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I'm 54. I grew up without the internet. There

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was no internet when I grew up. There were no

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cell phones either. So that really didn't make

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sense to me either. So I said, yeah, show up.

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So he shows up before class. He wants to put

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a microphone on me. I said, no, no, I don't know.

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I'm not playing this game. We're not doing this

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whole setup. Don't put lights and everything.

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And trust me. When I start speaking, I speak

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loud enough, you don't need a microphone. I'm

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like Rob Halford, a Judas Priest, when I'm singing,

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I don't need a microphone, or Pavarotti, when

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I'm singing, take the microphone away. So Nathan

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records it, and that was back when YouTube would

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only allow 10 minutes maximum. So the first time

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it was released, it was six or seven parts. Then

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they eventually started letting you put out whatever

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length you wanted. He titled that the most important

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speech ever and then somebody else titled it

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something else I can't I can't remember there.

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There's another time maybe best speech ever or

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something like that I'm actually a horrible at

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coming up with titles. Not my specialty. I'm

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great with speeches But professors would what

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what what often asked me? What should I title

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this? Oh, I don't know. There's no title It's

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just a great speed. I don't I don't know what

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to say call it Gary's ethical speech on veganism.

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So that's what they would put on the curriculum.

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They would show, they would actually show me

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the page like a Gary's ethical speech on veganism.

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That's good. So just want to say that most important

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speech ever, not my title, although it very well,

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very well might be. Yes, definitely. Just yesterday,

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I was looking through the Instagram of George

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Martin, who is such a big fan of yours. And he

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was talking about how he used that speech to,

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you know, promote veganism. And he did that with

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a couple of guys who seemed not interested. But

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then, you know, he shared that video and they

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saved it on their phone. So, yeah, I mean, thank

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you. Thank you for that speech. And thank you

00:23:00.390 --> 00:23:04.950
for what you're. Yes. Going to say, oddly enough,

00:23:05.150 --> 00:23:08.170
I'm supposed to interview with George on Thursday.

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So you had brought him up. I was like, wow, what

00:23:12.680 --> 00:23:15.920
a coincidence. Small world. Yes. Yes. I know

00:23:15.920 --> 00:23:19.019
George, he appeared a few times on the podcast

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and I really love him and appreciate him. And

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thank you for what you're doing with session

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forums. I would not You know there's no reality

00:23:30.839 --> 00:23:33.619
where i would have heard about secha farm if

00:23:33.619 --> 00:23:36.359
it was not for you there are so many sanctuaries

00:23:36.359 --> 00:23:40.400
out there and you used your popularity to promote

00:23:40.400 --> 00:23:45.099
this century this sanctuary since you know back

00:23:45.099 --> 00:23:48.299
in 2015 i think i've watched videos of you back

00:23:48.299 --> 00:23:51.920
in 2015 talking i recorded about six or seven

00:23:51.920 --> 00:23:54.000
videos there but again i've been going there

00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:59.400
since i went vegan in 96 And it has always been

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my personal garden of Eden. It's a place where

00:24:03.980 --> 00:24:06.220
I did decompress over the years, even though

00:24:06.220 --> 00:24:09.119
I didn't do it enough. I went there and it was

00:24:09.119 --> 00:24:13.079
this different planet. It was because I was seeing

00:24:13.079 --> 00:24:16.039
animals how they should be living peacefully,

00:24:16.359 --> 00:24:19.519
nobody taking anything from them. Nobody wanting

00:24:19.519 --> 00:24:22.759
anything from them besides maybe a smooch or

00:24:22.759 --> 00:24:26.819
a little pet. But it was so loving to see cows

00:24:26.819 --> 00:24:29.460
and pigs and chickens and turkeys and the sheep

00:24:29.460 --> 00:24:32.680
and the goats, everybody just happy. And why

00:24:32.680 --> 00:24:36.740
can't it be like this? So again, it holds such

00:24:36.740 --> 00:24:41.720
a deep space in my heart. I want to let everybody

00:24:41.720 --> 00:24:46.779
know because when Dorothy passed away, Dorothy

00:24:46.779 --> 00:24:49.269
ran that place wonderfully. The place would still

00:24:49.269 --> 00:24:52.589
be fine if Dorothy was alive. Unfortunately,

00:24:53.089 --> 00:24:56.049
her partner in life took over after. And I still

00:24:56.049 --> 00:24:59.450
love you, Monty, even though he's angry with

00:24:59.450 --> 00:25:03.849
me. But Monty, I don't understand what happened.

00:25:04.109 --> 00:25:05.930
He started thinking people weren't respecting

00:25:05.930 --> 00:25:08.609
him, but everybody adored him. I mean, him and

00:25:08.609 --> 00:25:12.230
Dorothy created this paradise for 40 years. But

00:25:12.230 --> 00:25:15.569
he started quarreling with people, and he asked

00:25:15.569 --> 00:25:17.650
me to come on the board of directors about two

00:25:17.650 --> 00:25:20.609
years ago, and I'm no longer on the board. I

00:25:20.609 --> 00:25:23.450
don't like the meetings and the discussions.

00:25:23.690 --> 00:25:25.230
I think people have heard me go off the meeting.

00:25:25.269 --> 00:25:26.930
Let's have a meeting about the discussion and

00:25:26.930 --> 00:25:28.490
discussion about the meeting. Then we'll debate

00:25:28.490 --> 00:25:31.250
the meeting at the next discussion. I don't operate

00:25:31.250 --> 00:25:34.309
like that. But I wanted to hear everybody's side.

00:25:34.390 --> 00:25:37.829
I went and talked to the farm workers and Shara

00:25:37.829 --> 00:25:40.670
Jones, who is the animal care manager right now.

00:25:40.920 --> 00:25:43.480
and I talked to Monty and I got everybody's complaints

00:25:43.480 --> 00:25:45.299
because remember I said I want to be a mediator

00:25:45.299 --> 00:25:47.180
and I said I'm gonna bring peace here hold up

00:25:47.180 --> 00:25:49.740
let me hear everybody's story and unfortunately

00:25:49.740 --> 00:25:52.380
Monty was was micromanaging a little too much

00:25:52.380 --> 00:25:55.460
and I say buddy I love you but you really need

00:25:55.460 --> 00:25:58.220
to back off and and let the animal care manager

00:25:58.220 --> 00:26:00.640
manage that's why you hired her she knows what

00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:02.720
she's doing Shara Shara can do what she wants

00:26:02.720 --> 00:26:05.880
to do and he just wouldn't stop and then he became

00:26:05.880 --> 00:26:08.250
angry at me So this is also something I talked

00:26:08.250 --> 00:26:10.769
about here. Disagreeing with me on one position,

00:26:10.869 --> 00:26:12.529
all of a sudden we can't be friends. And he said,

00:26:12.529 --> 00:26:15.210
I can't believe he didn't take my side. We're

00:26:15.210 --> 00:26:18.650
friends. I said, well, if we're friends, and

00:26:18.650 --> 00:26:22.250
we are, we were dear friends of 20 some odd years,

00:26:22.829 --> 00:26:24.809
shouldn't I be allowed to tell my friend when

00:26:24.809 --> 00:26:27.769
they're wrong? You're wrong. And I said, and

00:26:27.769 --> 00:26:30.200
I was telling him to do what I did. You need

00:26:30.200 --> 00:26:33.099
to retire. You're stressed out, man. You're stressed

00:26:33.099 --> 00:26:36.119
out. Look at you lashing out at everybody. And

00:26:36.119 --> 00:26:40.099
it's unwarranted. Retire. I'll come over every

00:26:40.099 --> 00:26:42.700
morning after the gym. We'll smoke a joint. We'll

00:26:42.700 --> 00:26:45.079
laugh. We'll talk about old times. That's just,

00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:50.259
you know, anyways. The problem is he unfortunately

00:26:50.259 --> 00:26:53.240
is demanding that we purchase the property and

00:26:53.240 --> 00:26:55.519
it's 50 acres and it's a fair price. We check

00:26:55.519 --> 00:26:58.960
with real estate agents, but it's $675 ,000 for

00:26:58.960 --> 00:27:02.519
50 acres in Manchester, Michigan. We don't have

00:27:02.519 --> 00:27:05.839
that kind of money. So we're behind the eight

00:27:05.839 --> 00:27:08.619
ball until we pay money off We're not gonna make

00:27:08.619 --> 00:27:12.839
it right now, and he took 250 ,000 out from the

00:27:12.839 --> 00:27:15.900
coffers so that put us under a hundred thousand

00:27:15.900 --> 00:27:19.400
and it cost 250 ,000 every year just to get by

00:27:19.400 --> 00:27:22.599
so I'm looking for a big donor to come and save

00:27:22.599 --> 00:27:25.259
the day Right now, be thrilled if somebody cut

00:27:25.259 --> 00:27:28.359
the $425 ,000 check that we still owe money.

00:27:28.720 --> 00:27:30.779
Be extra thrilled if they covered the $250 ,000

00:27:30.779 --> 00:27:33.240
that we took out. But that's all we need is to

00:27:33.240 --> 00:27:35.920
be covered for the purchase, and then we're okay.

00:27:36.200 --> 00:27:38.039
Now, of course, we would like to have more money.

00:27:38.500 --> 00:27:41.460
We got grand ideas. We want to build studios

00:27:41.460 --> 00:27:44.420
so people can come and stay overnight, kind of

00:27:44.420 --> 00:27:46.859
doing what Farm Sanctuary does, something like

00:27:46.859 --> 00:27:50.059
that. And we want to upgrade. So more money needs

00:27:50.059 --> 00:27:53.849
to come in. We'd be fine if we were just able

00:27:53.849 --> 00:27:57.250
to pay Monty off for the purchase of the property.

00:27:57.410 --> 00:28:01.049
And I just want to say again, I love you, Monty.

00:28:01.130 --> 00:28:04.990
Please come on back. I don't understand why you

00:28:04.990 --> 00:28:08.029
tossed me out and everybody else that you tossed

00:28:08.029 --> 00:28:11.930
out. We all love you. But please help Sasha Farm

00:28:11.930 --> 00:28:14.609
again. And again, not a fundraiser. I don't know

00:28:14.609 --> 00:28:16.730
how else to say it. Just please help Sasha Farm.

00:28:17.069 --> 00:28:19.549
I know fundraisers are probably watching and

00:28:19.549 --> 00:28:22.319
listening going, He is a terrible fundraiser.

00:28:22.519 --> 00:28:26.119
It's not my style. In fact, can I tell you a

00:28:26.119 --> 00:28:31.140
funny story about fundraising? The universe was

00:28:31.140 --> 00:28:34.980
good to me in many ways, bad to me in some other

00:28:34.980 --> 00:28:40.180
ways too, but when it came to my lecture tour,

00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:44.400
my activism universe was 100 % behind me. It

00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:47.599
always brought me a wealthy donor to help me

00:28:47.599 --> 00:28:50.750
travel. It's not cheap. I needed to pay for airfare,

00:28:50.990 --> 00:28:56.569
hotels, rental cars, food, tolls. And somebody

00:28:56.569 --> 00:28:58.710
always came around and got a hold of me and said,

00:28:58.750 --> 00:29:02.789
wait a second, Gary, are you speaking in schools,

00:29:03.069 --> 00:29:07.170
in classes? How can I help? I said, well, I could

00:29:07.170 --> 00:29:10.069
use some money to help cover the cost. And I'd

00:29:10.069 --> 00:29:13.690
like to live. And I'm a minimalist. I live meagerly.

00:29:13.930 --> 00:29:16.069
So what I would ask for, and I'm open and honest

00:29:16.069 --> 00:29:20.410
about it, I ask for 64 ,000 a year. and 32 was

00:29:20.410 --> 00:29:24.089
to travel 32 so I can live and the universe always

00:29:24.089 --> 00:29:28.210
brought me somebody but around 2006 I actually

00:29:28.210 --> 00:29:31.470
was looking for somebody and the universe wasn't

00:29:31.470 --> 00:29:33.950
right on time but came through but wasn't right

00:29:33.950 --> 00:29:38.549
on time and I couldn't find anybody so I'm racking

00:29:38.549 --> 00:29:41.910
my brain who can I reach out to so I had a friend

00:29:41.910 --> 00:29:44.950
named Mitch who had a vegan fast food joint in

00:29:44.950 --> 00:29:48.789
San Diego And he had gotten me a $5 ,000 donation

00:29:48.789 --> 00:29:51.009
a couple years earlier. So I get ahold of Mitch

00:29:51.009 --> 00:29:54.910
and say, hey, buddy, can you give me Rich's contact

00:29:54.910 --> 00:29:57.930
info, the guy that gave $5 ,000? He said, yeah,

00:29:57.950 --> 00:29:59.990
but why? I said, well, I'm going to ask him for

00:29:59.990 --> 00:30:02.730
$64 ,000. He said, well, first of all, I'm amazed

00:30:02.730 --> 00:30:04.529
he gave you $5 ,000. It's probably not going

00:30:04.529 --> 00:30:06.890
to go that high. I said, well, would you mind

00:30:06.890 --> 00:30:09.609
if I asked? He's your friend. He goes, no, go

00:30:09.609 --> 00:30:13.089
ahead and ask him. So this is my email to Rich.

00:30:14.809 --> 00:30:17.349
Paraphrasing, but almost verbatim. Hey, Rich,

00:30:17.450 --> 00:30:20.069
it's Gary Yourofsky. You gave me 5 ,000 bucks

00:30:20.069 --> 00:30:22.349
a couple years ago. I'm not even sure. I said,

00:30:22.410 --> 00:30:25.210
thank you. Thank you. Would you mind giving me

00:30:25.210 --> 00:30:31.869
64 ,000 this year? So I'm not a schmoozer. I

00:30:31.869 --> 00:30:34.329
just straight to the point. He emails me back.

00:30:35.710 --> 00:30:39.029
Would it be OK if we talked about this a little

00:30:39.029 --> 00:30:41.529
more? Yeah, sure. I don't even know where you're

00:30:41.529 --> 00:30:43.329
at. Where do you live? He says San Francisco.

00:30:43.480 --> 00:30:46.599
I said, oh, next month I'm at St. Mary's College

00:30:46.599 --> 00:30:50.759
in Mareaga. It's about 30 minutes, 60 minutes

00:30:50.759 --> 00:30:53.720
from Frisco. And I said, well, why don't we go

00:30:53.720 --> 00:30:56.380
out to lunch or dinner? He said, yeah, sounds

00:30:56.380 --> 00:30:58.759
great. So we met at Cafe Gratitude. It's another

00:30:58.759 --> 00:31:00.720
funny part to the story. And just so you know,

00:31:01.019 --> 00:31:04.119
most of my activism has a comical aspect to it.

00:31:04.400 --> 00:31:07.940
So I meet Rich at the restaurant, sit down. You

00:31:07.940 --> 00:31:09.799
know, introduce each other, shake hands, and

00:31:09.799 --> 00:31:12.339
he proceeds to tell me a story about some foie

00:31:12.339 --> 00:31:15.980
gras that he had just eaten. I'm a little taken

00:31:15.980 --> 00:31:18.619
aback, of course. And in my head, you got to

00:31:18.619 --> 00:31:20.200
understand what's going on in my crazy brain.

00:31:20.299 --> 00:31:22.740
I'm like, go off on him. Wait a second. Wait,

00:31:23.019 --> 00:31:27.359
no. He's telling you a corny dad joke. Just wait

00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:29.519
for the punch line. Don't yell at him, Gary.

00:31:29.539 --> 00:31:32.480
He might give you money. Wait a second. He keeps

00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:35.400
telling me. And it was horrible. And I sent it

00:31:35.400 --> 00:31:39.640
back. I'm getting more confused because I'm not

00:31:39.640 --> 00:31:42.500
hearing a joke format, and there's no punchline

00:31:42.500 --> 00:31:45.319
that seems to be coming. And I'm an open guy.

00:31:45.420 --> 00:31:47.680
I wear my heart on my sleeve. You know how I

00:31:47.680 --> 00:31:50.539
feel. I wear it on my face. So he starts to see

00:31:50.539 --> 00:31:54.599
my face becoming distraught. And he said, oh,

00:31:54.720 --> 00:31:59.200
Karen, did you think I was vegan? Well, yeah.

00:31:59.579 --> 00:32:04.940
Well, why are we here? Well, I'm not vegan. Confused?

00:32:05.180 --> 00:32:06.950
He said. But I think you got the best speech

00:32:06.950 --> 00:32:08.549
I've ever heard in my life and I think everybody

00:32:08.549 --> 00:32:10.230
should hear it. I'm just not ready to become

00:32:10.230 --> 00:32:12.950
vegan yet. I'll be there one day. Yes, I'll give

00:32:12.950 --> 00:32:19.309
you money. What? So it was so bizarre what transpired.

00:32:20.470 --> 00:32:24.650
And if people wondered why I did engage in infighting

00:32:24.650 --> 00:32:27.470
and I was harsh on people, which I do regret,

00:32:28.069 --> 00:32:31.079
it's because At that time, the animal rights

00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:34.400
movement was turning me down to fund me, and

00:32:34.400 --> 00:32:36.440
I could not understand. Oh, Gary, you're too

00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:38.980
radical. I can't give you money. Too radical?

00:32:39.019 --> 00:32:41.460
If I'm so radical, why are the professors bringing

00:32:41.460 --> 00:32:44.319
me into their classrooms? You're making a judgment

00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:47.279
and it's false. If I was too radical, I wouldn't

00:32:47.279 --> 00:32:51.519
have 250 talks lined up this year. But no one

00:32:51.519 --> 00:32:53.640
in the movement would give me money. but the

00:32:53.640 --> 00:32:57.220
foie gras eater from San Francisco saved the

00:32:57.220 --> 00:32:59.859
only vegan lecture tour on the planet, not only

00:32:59.859 --> 00:33:02.039
for a year, for three years. Rich, thank you

00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:05.599
so much for the $192 ,000 that you donated so

00:33:05.599 --> 00:33:08.019
people could hear this lecture. In fact, he was

00:33:08.019 --> 00:33:11.200
so kind on the way out. Eight months before the

00:33:11.200 --> 00:33:13.039
year ended, he said, Hey, Gary, I don't think

00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:14.640
I'm going to fund you after this year. I wanted

00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:16.519
to give you a heads up so you can find something

00:33:16.519 --> 00:33:19.480
else. And I even, I said, wow, man, no one even

00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:22.599
gave me a warning. Well, I just got cut off instantly.

00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:25.579
So you were really gracious. The only rule that

00:33:25.579 --> 00:33:31.160
I had, it was, I said, Rich, because you're not

00:33:31.160 --> 00:33:35.759
vegan, you have zero say in what I say, how I

00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:38.380
say, where I say it and what I do. Because I

00:33:38.380 --> 00:33:40.759
will take meat -eating money. I'd take money

00:33:40.759 --> 00:33:42.900
from McDonald's if there were no strings attached,

00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:46.579
just to be clear. So there's no strings attached

00:33:46.579 --> 00:33:49.259
to this, and you're doing this out of the generosity

00:33:49.259 --> 00:33:52.400
of your heart. I will accept it." He said, I

00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:55.599
agree. This is all yours. And then I guess the

00:33:55.599 --> 00:33:57.920
cute part was the following day, I had my lecture

00:33:57.920 --> 00:34:00.059
at St. Mary's. I said, why don't you come and

00:34:00.059 --> 00:34:02.880
check out one of the live talks? So he shows

00:34:02.880 --> 00:34:05.259
up. It was one of those magical moments where

00:34:05.309 --> 00:34:10.170
Every single student became vegan. And they all

00:34:10.170 --> 00:34:13.949
stood up at the end of the class in a line to

00:34:13.949 --> 00:34:16.969
shake my hand or give me a hug on the way out

00:34:16.969 --> 00:34:19.349
and say something like, oh, Gary, you changed

00:34:19.349 --> 00:34:22.050
my life. I can't believe I missed this. I didn't

00:34:22.050 --> 00:34:24.730
know about this. I'm so sorry. And as Rich is

00:34:24.730 --> 00:34:28.130
in the back, I'm kind of eyeballing him. And

00:34:28.130 --> 00:34:34.840
I mouthed to him. And he's got video smiling.

00:34:35.199 --> 00:34:38.739
And just so everybody knows, man, let's say on

00:34:38.739 --> 00:34:41.039
average, I think I was doing 200 lectures every

00:34:41.039 --> 00:34:45.960
year. It was amazing that I only had about 15

00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:50.059
that turned into a Jerry Springer show. 15 out

00:34:50.059 --> 00:34:54.579
of 200, 185 lectures where everybody took something

00:34:54.579 --> 00:34:56.360
away. I'm not saying I turned all those people

00:34:56.360 --> 00:35:00.179
vegan. What I'm saying is no arguments, no divisiveness.

00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:04.219
Nothing but a pleasant Q &A asking for more information

00:35:04.219 --> 00:35:07.500
So that ratio and and this is some of the people

00:35:07.500 --> 00:35:09.599
in the movement got upset because of those 15

00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:11.860
talks that by the way I didn't start the Jerry

00:35:11.860 --> 00:35:15.380
Springer show I did finish it, but I was finishing

00:35:15.380 --> 00:35:17.639
it on behalf of the animals I went into that

00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:19.880
classroom willing to give everyone a chance I

00:35:19.880 --> 00:35:22.039
mean when everybody started like this to at the

00:35:22.039 --> 00:35:24.300
beginning of the talk I heard all the whispers

00:35:24.300 --> 00:35:27.400
I had supersonic hearing back then and I heard

00:35:27.400 --> 00:35:30.300
him ah man the fucking vegans here oh man we

00:35:30.300 --> 00:35:32.360
all listen to vegan shit again i should have

00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:34.480
brought a hamburger should have brought my deer

00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:37.699
head but i never got mad because i remember when

00:35:37.699 --> 00:35:40.559
i wasn't vegan i said you know what i was probably

00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:44.940
saying the same dumb shit too so i never got

00:35:44.940 --> 00:35:49.179
mad and it actually fired me up to become more

00:35:49.179 --> 00:35:52.599
focused and to reach them i said i am gonna break

00:35:52.599 --> 00:35:55.360
them down And Ryan, I got to tell you one of

00:35:55.360 --> 00:35:57.519
the coolest things that I got to see, and a few

00:35:57.519 --> 00:35:59.280
people along the way. Mind you, I was on the

00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:02.260
road alone most of the time. And there were times

00:36:02.260 --> 00:36:05.260
I wish other people were able to see it. But

00:36:05.260 --> 00:36:07.900
I got to see change happen in front of my face.

00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:10.960
And it started with the arms crossed, scowl on

00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:13.840
their face, a little scowl. And then about 10

00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:18.019
minutes in, your arms came undone. So look at

00:36:18.019 --> 00:36:19.460
this. All right, they're starting to listen.

00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:22.380
And then I always dropped a five -minute slaughterhouse

00:36:22.380 --> 00:36:25.840
video about 12 to 15 minutes into the speech.

00:36:26.280 --> 00:36:29.300
Now, that usually broke everybody down. I mean,

00:36:29.539 --> 00:36:32.179
if you're alive and you have a conscience and

00:36:32.179 --> 00:36:34.699
a heart, it would have to do something to you.

00:36:34.940 --> 00:36:38.800
So now, though, a lot of times one arm went above

00:36:38.800 --> 00:36:42.840
the head like this. Now, I talked to some friends

00:36:42.840 --> 00:36:45.159
who were psychology majors and they always said,

00:36:45.340 --> 00:36:47.099
you know, that's like a submissive position.

00:36:47.360 --> 00:36:49.900
But they were actually saying, okay, all right,

00:36:50.119 --> 00:36:53.340
I'm listening. And then they got harsh stuff

00:36:53.340 --> 00:36:55.360
too. You heard the speech. It was eloquent, but

00:36:55.360 --> 00:37:02.420
it was harsh. The truth is harsh. And I patterned

00:37:02.420 --> 00:37:06.500
my activism style, my speaking style, after two

00:37:06.500 --> 00:37:10.929
people, Malcolm X, early Malcolm X. in george

00:37:10.929 --> 00:37:14.110
carlin the brilliant philosopher comedian so

00:37:14.110 --> 00:37:16.710
my speech if you if you look at it again and

00:37:16.710 --> 00:37:19.170
examine it's really a militant comedy rose because

00:37:19.170 --> 00:37:21.730
i would push people to the edge especially after

00:37:21.730 --> 00:37:24.389
that video because i was i was riled up mind

00:37:24.389 --> 00:37:26.690
you i didn't leave the classroom when the video

00:37:26.690 --> 00:37:29.530
was on i stood there and watched it so i had

00:37:29.530 --> 00:37:34.349
to watch that video 2660 times myself but i did

00:37:34.349 --> 00:37:36.469
it because it fired me up and it made me say

00:37:36.469 --> 00:37:38.550
you've got to explain this to them on behalf

00:37:38.550 --> 00:37:41.219
of these animals so After that, you know, it

00:37:41.219 --> 00:37:43.019
was always something really harsh where I'd push

00:37:43.019 --> 00:37:45.639
them right to the edge, but then I'd bring them

00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:49.360
back with some humor. Like, you guys are bird

00:37:49.360 --> 00:37:52.059
-ass fetishes, right? All you guys want to do

00:37:52.059 --> 00:37:54.139
is eat something that comes out of a bird's ass,

00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:56.960
eggs. You want to shove stuffing into a bird's

00:37:56.960 --> 00:37:59.519
ass on Thanksgiving. You guys squeeze cow titties.

00:37:59.599 --> 00:38:02.679
You engage in bestiality. You guys... So they

00:38:02.679 --> 00:38:04.500
start giggling and laughing because there's truth

00:38:04.500 --> 00:38:06.519
in sarcasm, which I learned from George Carlin.

00:38:06.920 --> 00:38:09.210
So... I would push them to the edge and then

00:38:09.210 --> 00:38:11.670
use some humor, like the comedy roast that I

00:38:11.670 --> 00:38:14.190
actually love watching still to this day. It

00:38:14.190 --> 00:38:17.829
was a back and forth where it really worked.

00:38:17.929 --> 00:38:21.190
And it was natural. It wasn't, again, I didn't

00:38:21.190 --> 00:38:25.789
plan much. I just did it. And then after I did

00:38:25.789 --> 00:38:28.730
something or said something, then I analyzed

00:38:28.730 --> 00:38:31.329
it. And that's some advice I'd give to people.

00:38:32.030 --> 00:38:35.489
Don't sit at that that that board table too long.

00:38:35.510 --> 00:38:38.849
You're planning too much and not doing do it

00:38:38.849 --> 00:38:41.489
Figure it out as you go along and then figure

00:38:41.489 --> 00:38:46.090
it out after what you can tighten up I talk about

00:38:46.090 --> 00:38:49.449
a lot a lot of the success stories with my speeches

00:38:49.449 --> 00:38:51.630
But I don't I'm not telling you about the things

00:38:51.630 --> 00:38:53.650
I said that didn't work If I said something that

00:38:53.650 --> 00:38:56.429
it did it didn't really work like I'm after it.

00:38:56.449 --> 00:38:58.679
I'm saying Maybe I shouldn't have said it like

00:38:58.679 --> 00:39:01.219
that. I was going to say it this way. That happened

00:39:01.219 --> 00:39:03.920
to me, too. It's just over the years, I perfected

00:39:03.920 --> 00:39:06.500
it down to that Georgia Tech speech. I'm like,

00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:10.820
I got it now. This is the message. This will

00:39:10.820 --> 00:39:13.920
resonate. People will listen. People will change.

00:39:14.239 --> 00:39:16.800
And who knows how many people? I mean, it's got

00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:19.219
to be a couple hundred thousand. Some people

00:39:19.219 --> 00:39:22.280
claim it's millions. And if you think about the

00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:26.639
domino effect, so I would get thousands of emails

00:39:26.639 --> 00:39:29.599
that said something like, I saw you at my class

00:39:29.599 --> 00:39:32.559
last week at University of Akron, changed my

00:39:32.559 --> 00:39:35.039
life and I went home and I told my sister, my

00:39:35.039 --> 00:39:37.900
brother, my mom, my dad, my boyfriend, my girlfriend,

00:39:37.980 --> 00:39:40.539
my friends, they all became vegan or some of

00:39:40.539 --> 00:39:43.679
them became, there's a domino effect through

00:39:43.679 --> 00:39:48.860
that speech. Who knows how many? And then I want

00:39:48.860 --> 00:39:52.300
to cover so much. I'm sorry, I'm so talkative

00:39:52.300 --> 00:39:54.980
when people ask me about this stuff, but for

00:39:54.980 --> 00:39:59.039
my detractors too, just keep that in mind that

00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:02.820
if I was the one that may just see the light,

00:40:03.139 --> 00:40:05.719
don't forget about that because you didn't like

00:40:05.719 --> 00:40:08.179
something else I said, share the speech, pass

00:40:08.179 --> 00:40:10.300
it on. You can share it with a disclaimer too.

00:40:10.579 --> 00:40:13.019
By the way, the guy feels like this about this

00:40:13.019 --> 00:40:15.920
issue, but man, he really laid it out there.

00:40:17.139 --> 00:40:20.099
Share that speech still. It's amazing. It's almost

00:40:20.099 --> 00:40:23.380
like even though I was retired for the last 10,

00:40:23.380 --> 00:40:27.010
11 years, I was still pretty damn active. I'm

00:40:27.010 --> 00:40:29.010
sitting on my couch smoking a joint, relaxing,

00:40:29.210 --> 00:40:31.170
finally going, you know what? I think I still

00:40:31.170 --> 00:40:32.949
turn a bunch of people vegan today. It's crazy.

00:40:32.989 --> 00:40:36.690
I put in so much work that that work lives on.

00:40:37.590 --> 00:40:41.130
It's stunning. It's stunning to me. And there

00:40:41.130 --> 00:40:43.150
were times I didn't know if people were really

00:40:43.150 --> 00:40:46.050
listening. I didn't know. Are people hearing

00:40:46.050 --> 00:40:47.889
me in the movement? Are they sharing this? I

00:40:47.889 --> 00:40:50.349
don't know. But that's why I went solo. I said,

00:40:50.349 --> 00:40:53.309
I'm just going to do whatever I can do. And that's

00:40:53.309 --> 00:40:57.250
a good piece of advice too. Sometimes, sometimes

00:40:57.250 --> 00:40:58.690
you have to do it yourself. You want something

00:40:58.690 --> 00:41:01.050
done right, you don't have to rely on other people.

00:41:01.570 --> 00:41:03.969
I know it's nice to have people present, but

00:41:03.969 --> 00:41:06.570
like early on in the 90s when I was doing protests,

00:41:07.030 --> 00:41:09.530
sometimes I was by myself and I was getting front

00:41:09.530 --> 00:41:11.849
page on the Detroit News, Detroit Free Press.

00:41:12.230 --> 00:41:14.090
I was getting on the channel two, channel four,

00:41:14.130 --> 00:41:16.750
channel seven news by myself or with my right

00:41:16.750 --> 00:41:20.250
hand woman, Laura Rogers. I mean, it's nice to

00:41:20.250 --> 00:41:23.599
have. 50, 100, maybe 1 ,000 people or 10 ,000.

00:41:23.619 --> 00:41:26.079
Yeah, that'd be wonderful, but it's not a requirement

00:41:26.079 --> 00:41:30.260
as long as you're out there sharing your soul,

00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:33.519
spilling your soul to the people, talking like

00:41:33.519 --> 00:41:36.159
the animals who want you to talk and saying the

00:41:36.159 --> 00:41:39.940
right things. Learn your arguments, say it properly,

00:41:40.380 --> 00:41:43.519
and you'd be surprised. You'd be surprised. Oh,

00:41:43.579 --> 00:41:45.679
and for the detractors, actually, I was gonna

00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:49.820
say, a lot of times they would email me. I listen

00:41:49.820 --> 00:41:53.239
to Earthling Ed's speech and I listen to Joey

00:41:53.239 --> 00:41:55.199
Carbstrong and I think they're way better than

00:41:55.199 --> 00:41:57.280
you and they're gonna reach more people. As if

00:41:57.280 --> 00:42:01.340
that was an insult. I hope, Ed, and I hope Joey,

00:42:01.579 --> 00:42:05.139
and I hope Paul Beshear, and I hope Mia Rosenfeld,

00:42:05.300 --> 00:42:09.320
and I hope all the people that I inspired. reach

00:42:09.320 --> 00:42:12.199
more than me. Not an insult because the sign

00:42:12.199 --> 00:42:15.179
of a good teacher is that they are proud when

00:42:15.179 --> 00:42:17.739
their students become stronger, wiser, and more

00:42:17.739 --> 00:42:21.219
effective than they are. I didn't change the

00:42:21.219 --> 00:42:23.900
entire world. So I hope they do. You act like

00:42:23.900 --> 00:42:26.360
I would be upset if all the animals were liberated

00:42:26.360 --> 00:42:29.780
because of Paul and Joey and Ed? I'd be the first

00:42:29.780 --> 00:42:31.699
ones to go up and give them a hug and put them

00:42:31.699 --> 00:42:34.519
on my shoulder. We did it! You guys did it! I

00:42:34.519 --> 00:42:36.539
might have started it, but thank you for finishing

00:42:36.539 --> 00:42:42.329
it! So... Say what you want to say. I wish people

00:42:42.329 --> 00:42:45.030
would just think a little deeper and understand

00:42:45.030 --> 00:42:47.230
me a little more. And maybe they're going to

00:42:47.230 --> 00:42:49.289
learn a little more about Gary the person and

00:42:49.289 --> 00:42:51.670
not Gary the activist through this and through

00:42:51.670 --> 00:42:54.110
all the upcoming podcasts. Because I do want

00:42:54.110 --> 00:42:56.010
to share, I don't mind sharing some more personal

00:42:56.010 --> 00:42:58.789
stuff that I really didn't share over the year.

00:42:59.969 --> 00:43:03.570
And I hope listening to me talk now does make

00:43:03.570 --> 00:43:06.590
you even rethink How come I'm calling Gary a

00:43:06.590 --> 00:43:10.889
terrorist and a maniac? Are you afraid of me

00:43:10.889 --> 00:43:14.090
right now? Do I sound like a maniac? No, not

00:43:14.090 --> 00:43:18.929
at all. Paul Beshear once visited me in Michigan

00:43:18.929 --> 00:43:22.369
and his comment was, you are the nicest misanthrope

00:43:22.369 --> 00:43:26.150
I've ever seen in my life. People don't understand

00:43:26.150 --> 00:43:29.710
being a misanthrope. I just don't like our species.

00:43:30.469 --> 00:43:33.869
I think our species is a scourge. Individually.

00:43:34.409 --> 00:43:37.489
I enjoy most people. At the gym I work out in,

00:43:37.630 --> 00:43:40.670
back home, L .A. Fitness, in Royal Oak. You should

00:43:40.670 --> 00:43:44.269
see me walk in the gym. I'm like, Adrian, what's

00:43:44.269 --> 00:43:46.349
up? Hey, what's up, Nate? Hey, what's up, Mike?

00:43:47.070 --> 00:43:52.340
Hey, Mr. Ed? I know everybody at the gym. They

00:43:52.340 --> 00:43:54.719
know me. Hey, Gary, how you doing? I'm running

00:43:54.719 --> 00:43:57.039
over and helping people. There's somebody that's

00:43:57.039 --> 00:43:58.679
older that can't get the weights off. I'm like,

00:43:58.699 --> 00:44:00.960
hey, let me get that for you. It's not like I'm,

00:44:00.980 --> 00:44:04.059
because I'm a misanthrope. I'm tripping old people

00:44:04.059 --> 00:44:06.340
and I'm throwing rocks at kids on a playground.

00:44:06.539 --> 00:44:08.900
That's not what being a misanthrope is. Please

00:44:08.900 --> 00:44:11.940
understand before you condemn. It just means

00:44:11.940 --> 00:44:14.059
that our species, there's something wrong with

00:44:14.059 --> 00:44:16.340
our species and I don't like it. And why should

00:44:16.340 --> 00:44:19.579
I? After 29 years of seeing everything that I've

00:44:19.579 --> 00:44:21.940
seen, And by the way, I'm probably older than

00:44:21.940 --> 00:44:24.559
most of the people that are my detractors. I've

00:44:24.559 --> 00:44:28.440
been around. I've seen it all. I went to rural

00:44:28.440 --> 00:44:31.719
America. I've confronted people. I've seen too

00:44:31.719 --> 00:44:35.679
much. And there's not much hope left in me these

00:44:35.679 --> 00:44:39.340
days. Not trying to discourage or break people's

00:44:39.340 --> 00:44:42.760
hearts. Again, my feelings. I don't know how

00:44:42.760 --> 00:44:45.380
much of a difference that we can truly make because

00:44:45.380 --> 00:44:49.710
our species is so selfish. and so stubborn. But

00:44:49.710 --> 00:44:51.949
again, I hope everybody proves me wrong and says,

00:44:52.130 --> 00:44:53.769
Gary, you know what, though, you might have been

00:44:53.769 --> 00:44:56.030
right on a lot of things, but you were dead wrong.

00:44:56.449 --> 00:44:59.090
And we got the animals their freedom. I hope

00:44:59.090 --> 00:45:04.949
I'm 100 % on this issue. Well, I do appreciate

00:45:04.949 --> 00:45:09.130
very much your bluntness. Thinking about it,

00:45:09.130 --> 00:45:11.670
I think all of my friends are very blunt. And

00:45:11.670 --> 00:45:15.389
I just love it. I love the honesty. you know,

00:45:15.550 --> 00:45:17.869
trying to decipher what people are really thinking

00:45:17.869 --> 00:45:20.730
is not, you know, I'm not really good at it.

00:45:20.730 --> 00:45:24.469
So I want to have open conversations. And that's

00:45:24.469 --> 00:45:28.449
what I value. And now I understand why I love

00:45:28.449 --> 00:45:32.150
your speeches. Because I've watched hours of

00:45:32.150 --> 00:45:35.030
George Carlin and definitely there is some of

00:45:35.030 --> 00:45:37.170
that in your speeches. By the way, thanks for

00:45:37.170 --> 00:45:39.550
getting it now. Everybody that not now if you

00:45:39.550 --> 00:45:41.630
go and look back, especially the listing when

00:45:41.630 --> 00:45:43.920
I do the listing of things. That's a George Carlin

00:45:43.920 --> 00:45:46.300
thing. He's the best lister I've ever heard.

00:45:46.440 --> 00:45:48.420
I'll run down this whole list. I'm like, I like

00:45:48.420 --> 00:45:50.820
that. I'm going to start doing it. Even when

00:45:50.820 --> 00:45:53.599
I say, cows, pigs, chickens, turkeys, sheep,

00:45:53.659 --> 00:45:56.840
and goats, that's a Carlin flow that I absolutely

00:45:56.840 --> 00:46:00.039
love. And every bit of humor that I used, here's

00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:03.019
some inside information. Before I said it, and

00:46:03.019 --> 00:46:04.599
it was instant. That's how crazy my brain is.

00:46:04.820 --> 00:46:06.739
I could analyze something within one second.

00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:09.900
I'd say, would George think this is funny and

00:46:09.900 --> 00:46:13.460
cute? and my brain would say hell yeah use that

00:46:13.460 --> 00:46:16.480
or sometimes be like no he doesn't and i would

00:46:16.480 --> 00:46:19.380
pass on it but george that's who i always went

00:46:19.380 --> 00:46:22.239
to to know if i should be sarcastically truthful

00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:26.280
in a certain situation yeah if only he was around

00:46:26.280 --> 00:46:29.539
what i would give to go and watch one of his

00:46:29.539 --> 00:46:35.239
shows um i want to get back quickly to the uh

00:46:35.239 --> 00:46:38.579
sanctuaries issue and then one more question

00:46:38.579 --> 00:46:44.590
for you So you mentioned in your last speech,

00:46:44.809 --> 00:46:50.469
latest speech, how farmed sanctuaries are or

00:46:50.469 --> 00:46:52.849
how there are people in the animal rights movement

00:46:52.849 --> 00:46:58.269
that encourage others not to give to animal sanctuaries.

00:46:58.769 --> 00:47:02.599
And I've seen that. I've experienced that. And

00:47:02.599 --> 00:47:06.119
you're not the only we're not the only ones having

00:47:06.119 --> 00:47:10.519
noticed that I found an article from Karen Davis,

00:47:10.579 --> 00:47:15.159
who was the founder of United poultry concerns.

00:47:15.800 --> 00:47:18.619
It's called our farmed animal sanctuaries at

00:47:18.619 --> 00:47:22.179
risk. And she goes in depth, you know, talking

00:47:22.179 --> 00:47:26.019
about this issue. Now, why he was a by the way,

00:47:26.039 --> 00:47:28.579
she was a great war for the animals. Yeah, rest

00:47:28.579 --> 00:47:33.739
yourself. Yes. And so I guess the question is,

00:47:33.880 --> 00:47:38.300
why are they discouraging vegans to donate to

00:47:38.300 --> 00:47:41.900
animal sanctuaries? So here's the issue as I

00:47:41.900 --> 00:47:44.659
see it. So when I started doing lecturing full

00:47:44.659 --> 00:47:47.059
time and deciding that education was the best

00:47:47.059 --> 00:47:49.980
way, imagine there's a pie chart, as you should

00:47:49.980 --> 00:47:51.739
put out whenever you're looking at an issue.

00:47:52.019 --> 00:47:55.920
To me, the pie chart was 2 % education. and way

00:47:55.920 --> 00:48:00.900
too much protesting, way too much lobbying, way

00:48:00.900 --> 00:48:04.860
too much media interviews, and I fought like

00:48:04.860 --> 00:48:08.920
hell to convince people that education needs

00:48:08.920 --> 00:48:14.500
to be 80%, maybe 90%. I didn't mean 100 % because

00:48:14.500 --> 00:48:17.059
I didn't want to lock everything else out. Everything

00:48:17.059 --> 00:48:19.719
does have its place. It just needs to be in the

00:48:19.719 --> 00:48:23.659
proper percentile. So a lot of people went...

00:48:23.900 --> 00:48:26.519
that foreign education where they just want to

00:48:26.519 --> 00:48:29.679
make it all education and then a little advertising,

00:48:29.860 --> 00:48:31.579
which is strong and good. I would never get rid

00:48:31.579 --> 00:48:34.000
of that little direct action. I think it's solid.

00:48:34.400 --> 00:48:36.460
There's a lot of risks though involved in jail

00:48:36.460 --> 00:48:39.219
time and who knows what can happen there. So

00:48:39.219 --> 00:48:43.400
too many people. I think the term that is being

00:48:43.400 --> 00:48:47.380
bandied about is effective altruism. I don't

00:48:47.380 --> 00:48:50.739
find it to be effective nor altruistic because

00:48:50.739 --> 00:48:54.599
we murder. Billions of animals every year and

00:48:54.599 --> 00:48:56.480
you're telling me we can't take care of a couple

00:48:56.480 --> 00:49:00.139
thousand that escaped a couple thousand made

00:49:00.139 --> 00:49:03.800
it out of the houses of slaughter that we've

00:49:03.800 --> 00:49:06.239
constructed all over this planet and There's

00:49:06.239 --> 00:49:08.820
people going well. No man cows lived in there

00:49:08.820 --> 00:49:11.639
20. That's 20 years worth of hay and medical

00:49:11.639 --> 00:49:15.719
care now Again, like I said in the speech, they

00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:17.719
deserve everything. I don't care how much it

00:49:17.719 --> 00:49:20.239
costs. Are you kidding me? So people are not

00:49:20.239 --> 00:49:22.760
looking at this clearly. Again, you can put most

00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:25.860
of your investment into an education -based format.

00:49:26.860 --> 00:49:29.559
Who are you talking to? I would recommend that.

00:49:30.199 --> 00:49:34.539
But don't forget about the animals at the sanctuary.

00:49:34.880 --> 00:49:37.619
Don't forget about not only Sasha Farm, but all

00:49:37.619 --> 00:49:40.159
the other sanctuaries around the planet that

00:49:40.159 --> 00:49:42.460
are struggling because people are pulling back

00:49:42.460 --> 00:49:46.260
their funding. Start sending those 10s and 20s

00:49:46.260 --> 00:49:49.440
to them. Start sending those 50s and 100s. They

00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:52.460
need it the most. These animals deserve so much.

00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:55.820
And if you feel otherwise, go to a sanctuary

00:49:55.820 --> 00:49:58.980
one last time. You look that cow in the eye and

00:49:58.980 --> 00:50:00.880
you tell that cow, I'm sorry, you can't have

00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:06.070
my 20 bucks. You're too expensive. I couldn't

00:50:06.070 --> 00:50:09.489
even fathom. I couldn't even get the words out

00:50:09.489 --> 00:50:12.110
of my mouth looking at what we've done to their

00:50:12.110 --> 00:50:14.449
species. We kill a billion cows on the planet,

00:50:14.869 --> 00:50:17.869
there's 25 or 30 living at Sasha, and we can't

00:50:17.869 --> 00:50:20.969
come up with the money to make sure they're okay,

00:50:21.510 --> 00:50:24.250
they're safe, they got a nice place to stay.

00:50:24.909 --> 00:50:28.130
I find it to be outrageous, which is why this

00:50:28.130 --> 00:50:31.380
is what brought me back. This I couldn't take

00:50:31.380 --> 00:50:33.599
it anymore. I kept hearing that the sanctuaries

00:50:33.599 --> 00:50:36.059
are struggling. Everyone's pulling their funding

00:50:36.059 --> 00:50:39.639
Nobody wants to help I can't I don't even get

00:50:39.639 --> 00:50:42.260
it again. You can make it as the smaller portion

00:50:42.260 --> 00:50:45.159
on the pie chart Don't forget about it. Don't

00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:47.519
eliminate it. Nothing should be a hundred percent.

00:50:47.699 --> 00:50:51.579
So education 80 to 90 and make sure there's sanctuaries,

00:50:51.780 --> 00:50:54.139
make sure there's media interviews, make sure

00:50:54.139 --> 00:50:57.260
there's advertising, which is essential, and

00:50:57.260 --> 00:50:59.340
make sure those other things still have at least

00:50:59.340 --> 00:51:03.880
a percentage in that pie chart. Definitely. And

00:51:03.880 --> 00:51:06.280
I should have said that sooner, but I'm actually

00:51:06.280 --> 00:51:11.500
a fundraiser by profession. You're probably jiggling

00:51:11.500 --> 00:51:14.300
like this guy is the worst fundraiser I've ever

00:51:14.300 --> 00:51:18.420
No, no, you're actually great at it. You're actually

00:51:18.420 --> 00:51:23.679
great at it and oh I mean you're you're inspiring

00:51:23.679 --> 00:51:29.599
and the thing about effective altruism is When

00:51:29.599 --> 00:51:34.139
when does it get you know effective? Maybe an

00:51:34.139 --> 00:51:38.949
organization won't convince lots of people uh,

00:51:38.949 --> 00:51:41.829
you know, to become vegan or make that much of

00:51:41.829 --> 00:51:45.230
an impact in their environment for a couple of

00:51:45.230 --> 00:51:47.929
years, for five years, they, you know, they,

00:51:47.929 --> 00:51:50.989
they build, they build themselves up and then,

00:51:50.989 --> 00:51:54.030
you know, maybe they take off, but if you don't

00:51:54.030 --> 00:51:58.010
give them that time to build themselves up to,

00:51:58.289 --> 00:52:02.070
if you don't invest in, in that, then you know

00:52:02.070 --> 00:52:07.820
how how are we going to move forward? And I do

00:52:07.820 --> 00:52:10.840
believe that sanctuaries are excellent tools

00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:15.099
to turn people vegan. I always say, you know,

00:52:15.219 --> 00:52:17.619
the experience, give them the experience of becoming

00:52:17.619 --> 00:52:20.699
vegan, bring them to a vegan festival, bring

00:52:20.699 --> 00:52:25.599
them to a sanctuary, and let's do a tour of the

00:52:25.599 --> 00:52:29.119
sanctuary. Those are amazing experiences that

00:52:29.119 --> 00:52:33.239
will convince them to consider veganism. Think

00:52:33.239 --> 00:52:36.400
about how many times most people have actually

00:52:36.400 --> 00:52:41.579
ever Petted a chicken Turkey a cow or a pig if

00:52:41.579 --> 00:52:43.699
you did you were probably a kid and you don't

00:52:43.699 --> 00:52:46.659
even remember it anymore So, you know many people

00:52:46.659 --> 00:52:49.800
I would bring locally in Michigan when I had

00:52:49.800 --> 00:52:51.820
them on the edge almost there I said, you know

00:52:51.820 --> 00:52:53.260
what? What are you doing Saturday? Cuz you're

00:52:53.260 --> 00:52:56.119
coming with me. I want you to pet this pig and

00:52:56.119 --> 00:52:58.130
look him right in the eye and tell me that you're

00:52:58.130 --> 00:53:00.309
not going to become vegan and I brought people

00:53:00.309 --> 00:53:03.570
there and that's all that was the final push

00:53:03.570 --> 00:53:06.409
that they needed like oh my god I even brought

00:53:06.409 --> 00:53:09.849
one guy there who didn't believe what when he

00:53:09.849 --> 00:53:12.909
heard the animal noises he said I thought they

00:53:12.909 --> 00:53:16.650
made that up just for cartoons that's how chickens

00:53:16.650 --> 00:53:21.130
and turkeys really sound oh my god like we don't

00:53:21.130 --> 00:53:25.260
even know these animals so We need these sanctuaries.

00:53:25.679 --> 00:53:27.440
And I said it in the speech. I do want to be

00:53:27.440 --> 00:53:30.880
clear. A lot of them are doing tours and doing

00:53:30.880 --> 00:53:33.780
education based activism as part of it. And that's

00:53:33.780 --> 00:53:36.619
fabulous. Anytime you can mix the two. That's

00:53:36.619 --> 00:53:40.059
wonderful. But even if they aren't, those animals

00:53:40.059 --> 00:53:42.880
still deserve everything. They still deserve

00:53:42.880 --> 00:53:46.099
a happy place to stay just because of what we've

00:53:46.099 --> 00:53:49.019
done to their species. We should be embarrassed.

00:53:49.619 --> 00:53:53.449
We should be we should feel like shit for what

00:53:53.449 --> 00:53:55.949
we've done to them. And we should want to do

00:53:55.949 --> 00:53:58.389
everything on their behalf from here on out.

00:53:58.949 --> 00:54:01.489
And it's not about us, you know, it's not about

00:54:01.489 --> 00:54:04.489
what we get from this situation. It's really

00:54:04.489 --> 00:54:09.210
all about them here. Okay, one last question

00:54:09.210 --> 00:54:13.630
I really wanted to bring. And that is the anti

00:54:13.630 --> 00:54:17.650
semitism that we have witnessed in the past few

00:54:18.280 --> 00:54:23.380
uh, years now in the vegan community. Um, I found

00:54:23.380 --> 00:54:28.019
an article attributing, uh, the fact that, um,

00:54:28.179 --> 00:54:33.159
you turned about 8 % I think of the Israeli population

00:54:33.159 --> 00:54:36.980
to veganism. The most vegan and friendly place

00:54:36.980 --> 00:54:39.260
on the planet. I can't even understand that.

00:54:39.280 --> 00:54:43.059
And that's how I understood, you know, and looked

00:54:43.059 --> 00:54:47.579
at Israel, you know, since They went out of their

00:54:47.579 --> 00:54:50.179
way to hear my speech. They weren't renting out.

00:54:50.179 --> 00:54:52.260
When I first got there, I wasn't involved in

00:54:52.260 --> 00:54:54.219
arranging the talks. I just told them, make sure

00:54:54.219 --> 00:54:57.260
they're not vegans. Just get me some venues and

00:54:57.260 --> 00:55:00.039
point me towards the stage and let me go. And

00:55:00.039 --> 00:55:01.880
when I got there, like, okay, we rented out a

00:55:01.880 --> 00:55:03.739
bar. That was my first section. I said, a bar?

00:55:03.900 --> 00:55:06.380
What do you mean a bar? We rent out a bar and

00:55:06.380 --> 00:55:08.360
we're going to do the lecture there. Who's going

00:55:08.360 --> 00:55:11.579
to come to a bar? I get there. I literally had

00:55:11.579 --> 00:55:13.500
to fight through the crowd to get to the stage.

00:55:13.980 --> 00:55:17.639
220 people packed house. In fact, there were

00:55:17.639 --> 00:55:20.679
300 people outside who couldn't get in. They

00:55:20.679 --> 00:55:24.840
set up a screen in the streets. Non -vegans came

00:55:24.840 --> 00:55:28.280
to hear the message, and people are getting upset

00:55:28.280 --> 00:55:30.619
with Israel because of their issues that are

00:55:30.619 --> 00:55:33.280
going on with Hamas. And let me explain something

00:55:33.280 --> 00:55:35.559
about hostage -taking, which is why I'm really

00:55:35.559 --> 00:55:39.849
opposed to the Palestinian side. I don't support

00:55:39.849 --> 00:55:42.269
anybody who takes hostages, because think about

00:55:42.269 --> 00:55:46.690
who takes hostages. Bank robbers, drug cartels,

00:55:47.369 --> 00:55:51.130
domestic abusers, and Hamas. That's not a tactic.

00:55:51.409 --> 00:55:54.309
I got news. If some radical animal rights person

00:55:54.309 --> 00:55:57.110
went and took hostages, I wouldn't support that

00:55:57.110 --> 00:56:01.909
either. That's not a valid tactic at all. And

00:56:01.909 --> 00:56:05.349
let me throw this out there. Let's say, for argument's

00:56:05.349 --> 00:56:08.179
sake, that I did decide to take hostages myself.

00:56:08.539 --> 00:56:10.420
Let's say I went and kidnapped the wives of a

00:56:10.420 --> 00:56:12.840
bunch of vivisectionists. Let's say I kidnapped

00:56:12.840 --> 00:56:15.760
the husbands of a bunch of hunters. Let's say

00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:18.519
I had these people, and I was threatening them,

00:56:18.800 --> 00:56:21.440
and I was demanding something. Do you know all

00:56:21.440 --> 00:56:24.500
it would take was for the opposition to go kill

00:56:24.500 --> 00:56:27.820
one animal, shoot one rat in the head, and I'd

00:56:27.820 --> 00:56:30.340
say, okay, wait, stop, stop, I'm sorry, I'm sorry,

00:56:30.500 --> 00:56:32.980
okay, okay, coming out, hands up, everybody's

00:56:32.980 --> 00:56:35.980
out. That's how much I love and care about the

00:56:35.980 --> 00:56:39.400
animals. You'd only have to shoot one to make

00:56:39.400 --> 00:56:43.659
me stop. Look what Hamas is doing to their own

00:56:43.659 --> 00:56:47.719
people that they claim to care about. All they

00:56:47.719 --> 00:56:50.699
have to do is release those hostages and everything

00:56:50.699 --> 00:56:53.420
stops. And I got news for you. Things were actually

00:56:53.420 --> 00:56:56.650
going pretty well. with Israel and Palestine

00:56:56.650 --> 00:57:01.809
before the October 7th massacres. I believe 160

00:57:01.809 --> 00:57:04.949
,000 to 200 ,000 Palestinians had work visas.

00:57:05.489 --> 00:57:07.670
They were getting along pretty well. Of course,

00:57:07.710 --> 00:57:09.409
these people have always quarreled with each

00:57:09.409 --> 00:57:11.610
other. Leave it to humans. Nobody can get along.

00:57:11.730 --> 00:57:14.710
Blacks and whites, Jews and Muslims, men and

00:57:14.710 --> 00:57:17.989
women. It's not just them, everybody. Nobody

00:57:17.989 --> 00:57:20.230
gets along. Black Republicans, I've noticed,

00:57:20.630 --> 00:57:22.829
and black Democrats don't get along anymore.

00:57:22.849 --> 00:57:24.670
They no longer share their blackness. because

00:57:24.670 --> 00:57:27.550
they hate the politics so much. Vegans don't

00:57:27.550 --> 00:57:29.989
get along, so don't act like this is some weird,

00:57:30.269 --> 00:57:32.829
bizarre issue. This is a human issue. But things

00:57:32.829 --> 00:57:36.150
were pretty well, and that action was outrageous.

00:57:36.469 --> 00:57:39.650
Again, not a valid action, that they went and

00:57:39.650 --> 00:57:41.909
shot people at a music festival. And by the way,

00:57:42.030 --> 00:57:44.510
from what I hear, it was a liberal music festival.

00:57:44.860 --> 00:57:47.000
I'd have to say most of those people were probably

00:57:47.000 --> 00:57:49.000
on the side of the Palestinians and say, yes,

00:57:49.199 --> 00:57:52.519
let's get this second state going. So the whole

00:57:52.519 --> 00:57:54.480
thing is outrageous, first of all, that people

00:57:54.480 --> 00:57:57.119
are on the wrong side. But as I stated earlier,

00:57:57.599 --> 00:58:01.059
we can disagree. on issues. We can disagree on

00:58:01.059 --> 00:58:06.019
pro -life, pro -choice. We can disagree on pro

00:58:06.019 --> 00:58:09.519
-gun, anti -gun. I'm firmly on the side of Israel.

00:58:09.699 --> 00:58:11.400
I think they're right. And I think if the hostages

00:58:11.400 --> 00:58:13.480
were released, things would drastically change

00:58:13.480 --> 00:58:17.519
for the Palestinians. But nobody should be blaming

00:58:17.519 --> 00:58:21.840
anybody besides Hamas. This is them. And here's

00:58:21.840 --> 00:58:23.559
something that I do want to point out, because

00:58:23.559 --> 00:58:28.429
it's really bizarre. You see people, gay people

00:58:28.429 --> 00:58:31.510
walking around with signs that says queers for

00:58:31.510 --> 00:58:34.769
Hamas or queers for Palestinian. They're not

00:58:34.769 --> 00:58:37.869
for queers. Why are you standing up for somebody

00:58:37.869 --> 00:58:42.929
that radical Muslim nations are 100 % anti -gay,

00:58:43.510 --> 00:58:48.849
100 % anti -trans, 100 % anti -woman, 100 % anti

00:58:48.849 --> 00:58:52.679
-black. And then you have black People and trans

00:58:52.679 --> 00:58:55.260
people and gay people and women standing up for

00:58:55.260 --> 00:58:58.099
these people who won't stand up for you But you

00:58:58.099 --> 00:59:01.639
can go to israel You can be publicly gay as long

00:59:01.639 --> 00:59:04.380
as you want You can do a year -round pride fest

00:59:04.380 --> 00:59:08.300
if you wanted to a year -round trans fest and

00:59:08.300 --> 00:59:13.139
israel would welcome you openly So I don't understand

00:59:13.139 --> 00:59:16.219
from that point of view why people wouldn't be

00:59:16.219 --> 00:59:18.519
on Israel's side. Here's something else I look

00:59:18.519 --> 00:59:20.900
at when I like to try to decide and figure out

00:59:20.900 --> 00:59:25.380
which issues have the proper side. If Russia,

00:59:25.780 --> 00:59:29.599
China, and North Korea are on one side, you can

00:59:29.599 --> 00:59:33.019
pretty much take the other side. These also are

00:59:33.019 --> 00:59:36.360
not nations that are liberal and open either.

00:59:36.840 --> 00:59:39.900
I do believe Russia has criminalized gayness

00:59:39.900 --> 00:59:42.989
or imprisoned gay people too. I don't understand

00:59:42.989 --> 00:59:47.510
all these gay people standing up for a bunch

00:59:47.510 --> 00:59:50.130
of people that would kill them if they had the

00:59:50.130 --> 00:59:51.889
chance. And think about this for the Americans,

00:59:52.510 --> 00:59:57.070
too. When Iran, if they ever get a nuclear weapon

00:59:57.070 --> 00:59:59.750
and they decide to destroy the great Satan that

00:59:59.750 --> 01:00:02.530
is America in their eyes, do you think there's

01:00:02.530 --> 01:00:04.610
a bomb that's going to exclude the left -wing

01:00:04.610 --> 01:00:06.690
people and the gay people and the trans people?

01:00:07.050 --> 01:00:09.570
Everyone's going down. There's no way this regime

01:00:09.570 --> 01:00:12.289
should be having a nuclear weapon. they cannot

01:00:12.289 --> 01:00:16.289
be trusted with it. So just reexamine some issues

01:00:16.289 --> 01:00:20.389
deeply and look at that Israeli thing a little

01:00:20.389 --> 01:00:23.869
closer and realize which side actually has the

01:00:23.869 --> 01:00:27.309
side of liberalism on their side because the

01:00:27.309 --> 01:00:29.849
majority of all these people opposing them are

01:00:29.849 --> 01:00:32.809
liberals, left -wingers. And just for the record,

01:00:33.170 --> 01:00:40.219
I don't really side with liberalism or conservatism.

01:00:41.119 --> 01:00:45.219
I see some value in both issues that they put

01:00:45.219 --> 01:00:47.260
forth. That's something else back to what I said

01:00:47.260 --> 01:00:49.280
earlier about agreeing with somebody 100 % of

01:00:49.280 --> 01:00:51.780
the time. I find both sides to be ridiculous

01:00:51.780 --> 01:00:53.460
when they're always agreeing with themselves.

01:00:54.000 --> 01:00:56.039
Republicans are never wrong. Democrats are never

01:00:56.039 --> 01:00:58.320
wrong. Get out of here. You guys got some things

01:00:58.320 --> 01:01:00.159
that are right, some things that are wrong. They

01:01:00.159 --> 01:01:03.179
got some. Get together, work it out and say,

01:01:03.260 --> 01:01:04.900
you know what? You guys are really good on that

01:01:04.900 --> 01:01:07.679
topic. We're really good on this topic. Why don't

01:01:07.679 --> 01:01:10.159
we handle this? You handle that and work together.

01:01:10.380 --> 01:01:14.320
But again, God forbid humans should ever work

01:01:14.320 --> 01:01:17.579
together. We seem to be an incorrigible species

01:01:17.579 --> 01:01:22.510
when it comes to unity and togetherness. Yeah,

01:01:22.610 --> 01:01:25.409
weirdly enough, it's the most unpopular position

01:01:25.409 --> 01:01:30.670
to be for unity. I don't understand it either.

01:01:31.510 --> 01:01:33.570
But everyone's so worked up about everything.

01:01:33.710 --> 01:01:35.369
As soon as somebody says something they don't

01:01:35.369 --> 01:01:37.670
like, they forget about. And by the way, when

01:01:37.670 --> 01:01:41.190
it comes to my detractors, to think about all

01:01:41.190 --> 01:01:42.929
the speeches I gave, all the interviews I gave,

01:01:43.429 --> 01:01:45.590
I guess it's probably fair to say I literally

01:01:45.590 --> 01:01:49.630
spoke a million words. Maybe more but let's just

01:01:49.630 --> 01:01:52.090
round it off in a million. So what there's there's

01:01:52.090 --> 01:01:54.750
there's 5 ,000 words that I said that you did

01:01:54.750 --> 01:01:59.889
like and you just eliminate the 900 ,000 died,

01:02:00.090 --> 01:02:03.489
you know all the 900 ,000 words don't mean anything

01:02:03.489 --> 01:02:05.710
to you anymore as those five dollars I can't

01:02:05.710 --> 01:02:08.250
think I can't stand that five thousand words.

01:02:08.289 --> 01:02:12.090
Let it go. Well, the way I see it is, you know

01:02:12.090 --> 01:02:16.389
the rule of the games you know if you have a

01:02:16.389 --> 01:02:19.889
position and you want others to adhere to your

01:02:19.889 --> 01:02:23.909
position, then you should also allow counter

01:02:23.909 --> 01:02:27.110
positions to be heard so that your position will

01:02:27.110 --> 01:02:29.730
also be heard. And, you know, that's the market

01:02:29.730 --> 01:02:34.690
of ideas. I mean, those were the understood rules

01:02:34.690 --> 01:02:38.269
of the game a minute ago, and I feel like this

01:02:38.269 --> 01:02:42.670
has changed. But going back to the. I want to

01:02:42.670 --> 01:02:45.829
say one more thing, too. Yes. I don't like war.

01:02:47.269 --> 01:02:49.250
Most people don't. I don't know anybody that

01:02:49.250 --> 01:02:52.690
really does. Here's where I also stand on this

01:02:52.690 --> 01:02:56.369
issue. Part of me doesn't even care right now

01:02:56.369 --> 01:03:00.269
who's right or who's wrong. I want to know who's

01:03:00.269 --> 01:03:03.449
going to have the courage to walk across that

01:03:03.449 --> 01:03:06.690
line with their hands out or their arms open

01:03:06.690 --> 01:03:10.590
and say, you know what? I'm sorry. Can we just

01:03:10.590 --> 01:03:12.889
start over already? We've been going at it for

01:03:12.889 --> 01:03:16.699
thousands of years. Can we just stop? That's

01:03:16.699 --> 01:03:21.539
what I want to see. When are we going to apologize

01:03:21.539 --> 01:03:24.659
to each other and live together and, of course,

01:03:24.659 --> 01:03:27.199
bring the animals into this, too? Let's not forget

01:03:27.199 --> 01:03:30.739
as people claim, oh, it's Israeli land. Oh, it's

01:03:30.739 --> 01:03:34.039
Palestinian land. It's the animals' land. You

01:03:34.039 --> 01:03:35.900
want to get technical from the animal rights

01:03:35.900 --> 01:03:39.639
radical here? All land was stolen from the animals.

01:03:40.039 --> 01:03:42.980
We're all living on stolen land. This was theirs.

01:03:43.230 --> 01:03:48.150
We're all thieves. All of us. So, how deep do

01:03:48.150 --> 01:03:50.510
you want to go into this? Because I'm still right

01:03:50.510 --> 01:03:53.389
on this. It belongs to the animals. And we should

01:03:53.389 --> 01:03:55.889
all be living on it peacefully. It's not one,

01:03:55.949 --> 01:03:58.730
it's not the other. It should be everybody's.

01:03:58.809 --> 01:04:02.130
Can't we just live in peace? But again, this

01:04:02.130 --> 01:04:05.170
is what led to the stress. It was all this fighting.

01:04:05.349 --> 01:04:09.090
Nobody gets along. And again, I went into those

01:04:09.090 --> 01:04:11.409
classrooms. I didn't want to fight. Never did.

01:04:11.710 --> 01:04:14.570
Never did wanted to teach as a man. I got something

01:04:14.570 --> 01:04:16.630
new wait till you hear what I got to tell you

01:04:16.630 --> 01:04:19.070
You're gonna get it and those that listen with

01:04:19.070 --> 01:04:23.110
an open mind did get it The ones that didn't

01:04:23.110 --> 01:04:26.489
never never gave me a chance never gave the message

01:04:26.489 --> 01:04:30.489
a chance You know when I look at What this has

01:04:30.489 --> 01:04:32.989
done, you know getting involved in this conflict

01:04:32.989 --> 01:04:39.309
and this political talk We've lost so many vegan

01:04:39.309 --> 01:04:43.469
activist Jews you know, they just decided to

01:04:43.469 --> 01:04:46.949
go away and for good reasons, you know, to protect

01:04:46.949 --> 01:04:50.190
themselves and their sanity and their safety.

01:04:51.469 --> 01:04:54.989
But this is harming animals the most. You know,

01:04:55.090 --> 01:04:59.429
this is funding that we have lost. This is intellect

01:04:59.429 --> 01:05:03.190
that we have lost. All of that for a great cause.

01:05:03.570 --> 01:05:06.110
Our forces have been depleted. We've lost warriors.

01:05:06.599 --> 01:05:10.519
And again, this is why I say we need to focus

01:05:10.519 --> 01:05:12.940
on the animals anyway. Here's something I want

01:05:12.940 --> 01:05:14.659
you to think about to prove my point a little

01:05:14.659 --> 01:05:18.199
more. I actually believe now that human rights

01:05:18.199 --> 01:05:20.659
is the main impediment to the advancement of

01:05:20.659 --> 01:05:22.980
animal rights. Why? Because when you talk about

01:05:22.980 --> 01:05:25.119
humans, guess who doesn't get talked about? We

01:05:25.119 --> 01:05:27.639
don't talk about cows having their babies stolen,

01:05:28.199 --> 01:05:30.059
pigs having their testicles ripped out, the baby

01:05:30.059 --> 01:05:33.139
ones. We don't talk about dehorning. We don't

01:05:33.139 --> 01:05:35.679
talk about you know, all this cruelty in the

01:05:35.679 --> 01:05:37.840
houses of slaughtering and slicing their heads

01:05:37.840 --> 01:05:41.900
off. That needs to be the focus because if you

01:05:41.900 --> 01:05:43.880
look at the human rights side, you ever hear

01:05:43.880 --> 01:05:46.940
the human rights people speaking about cows having

01:05:46.940 --> 01:05:49.280
their babies stolen on dairy farms? Of course

01:05:49.280 --> 01:05:50.920
not. Why? Because then you don't get to talk

01:05:50.920 --> 01:05:53.159
about humans. So why are you giving something

01:05:53.159 --> 01:05:55.199
to a group of people that never give it back?

01:05:56.300 --> 01:05:59.460
I get right and wrong. I get injustice. I know

01:05:59.460 --> 01:06:02.199
humans deserve life and liberty and happiness.

01:06:03.280 --> 01:06:06.539
But the animals deserve it more and need it more.

01:06:06.780 --> 01:06:09.019
They're the ones being forgotten about, and we

01:06:09.019 --> 01:06:11.699
need to focus on them. I think there was a big,

01:06:11.860 --> 01:06:16.179
huge Pride protest yesterday in Budapest. I mean,

01:06:16.239 --> 01:06:19.420
I saw a photo. It must have been 100 ,000 people

01:06:19.420 --> 01:06:22.480
came out. Show me some signs about people who

01:06:22.480 --> 01:06:25.280
came out for Pride Fest that we're talking about

01:06:25.280 --> 01:06:27.460
what the animals were going through. But yeah,

01:06:27.460 --> 01:06:30.519
we got vegans at vegan protests, at animal rights

01:06:30.519 --> 01:06:33.699
protests, holding up signs, free Palestine or

01:06:33.699 --> 01:06:37.440
gay rights or trans rights. What? They don't

01:06:37.440 --> 01:06:40.679
do it for us. Stop doing it for them. And it's

01:06:40.679 --> 01:06:44.059
not the noble route we are being taken advantage

01:06:44.059 --> 01:06:47.000
of by the human rights people. They're playing

01:06:47.000 --> 01:06:50.539
us. Stop. This is why. And if you look at my

01:06:50.539 --> 01:06:52.820
old speeches, I actually did talk about racism,

01:06:53.079 --> 01:06:56.699
sexism, heterosexism. I made examples. I've talked

01:06:56.699 --> 01:07:00.500
about, and over the years, I started seeing that

01:07:00.500 --> 01:07:03.019
they were never doing it for the animals. And

01:07:03.019 --> 01:07:05.159
I said, no, why do we keep helping them out?

01:07:05.539 --> 01:07:08.059
Why do we keep speaking out for their causes,

01:07:08.099 --> 01:07:09.980
but they won't help ours? And I think I did,

01:07:09.980 --> 01:07:12.400
I did a video when COVID came out where I talked

01:07:12.400 --> 01:07:15.519
about if we ever sat down at the table of peace,

01:07:15.920 --> 01:07:19.519
every issue, do you know who would not be represented?

01:07:20.900 --> 01:07:24.039
The animals, because You couldn't sit at that

01:07:24.039 --> 01:07:25.840
table of peace and say you were opposed to gay

01:07:25.840 --> 01:07:30.500
marriage You'd be you'd be tossed out But you

01:07:30.500 --> 01:07:34.340
can sit there with with cow skin shoes You can

01:07:34.340 --> 01:07:37.019
sit there and if the meeting went on long enough,

01:07:37.219 --> 01:07:42.099
you could bring a hamburger and eat it Look how

01:07:42.099 --> 01:07:45.320
they are playing us and ignoring the worst form

01:07:45.320 --> 01:07:48.800
of injustice on this planet I want to ask all

01:07:48.800 --> 01:07:51.489
the vegans and all the animal rights people Keep

01:07:51.489 --> 01:07:55.190
your eyes on the prize focus on the animals and

01:07:55.190 --> 01:07:59.130
the animals only This is where your voice is

01:07:59.130 --> 01:08:04.329
needed You know, I started this podcast at first

01:08:04.329 --> 01:08:07.849
I wanted to shed light on social issues that

01:08:07.849 --> 01:08:12.869
you know deserved more attention and and then

01:08:12.869 --> 01:08:16.840
I thought What am i doing why am i not using

01:08:16.840 --> 01:08:20.060
my communication skills to focus on animals if

01:08:20.060 --> 01:08:23.239
i'm not the one doing that who else you know

01:08:23.239 --> 01:08:26.539
all of those issues i'm going to tackle in my

01:08:26.539 --> 01:08:30.100
podcast the social issues. They have like so

01:08:30.100 --> 01:08:33.380
many organizations and funding and people behind

01:08:33.380 --> 01:08:37.000
them even though you know they're struggling

01:08:37.000 --> 01:08:41.319
but not struggling as much as the animal cause

01:08:41.319 --> 01:08:46.079
and. I can't just, you know, I need to be the

01:08:46.079 --> 01:08:49.399
one who prioritized this cause. If I'm not, then

01:08:49.399 --> 01:08:52.819
who else? I agree wholeheartedly, my man. Well

01:08:52.819 --> 01:08:56.460
said. Well said. So Gary, I want to be respectful

01:08:56.460 --> 01:09:00.359
of your time. We are actually getting quite hungry.

01:09:00.539 --> 01:09:07.000
So perfect. Thank you for your time. So once

01:09:07.000 --> 01:09:09.779
again, thank you so much as, as this movement

01:09:09.779 --> 01:09:13.609
is maybe at its weakest point. We see you come

01:09:13.609 --> 01:09:17.989
back, and I will take that as a good omen. I

01:09:17.989 --> 01:09:21.489
do think that you're going to do a lot more good.

01:09:22.310 --> 01:09:24.710
And thank you. Thank you so much for all of your

01:09:24.710 --> 01:09:27.989
good work for all of these years. Thank you for

01:09:27.989 --> 01:09:31.489
what you're doing for Sasha form for your speeches,

01:09:32.270 --> 01:09:35.380
and for having accepted my invitation. Thank

01:09:35.380 --> 01:09:38.119
you so much for having me on. Keep in mind SashaFarm

01:09:38.119 --> 01:09:40.920
.org and you are a wonderful speaker. This was

01:09:40.920 --> 01:09:43.640
a pleasure. Anytime you want me back, man, we

01:09:43.640 --> 01:09:46.279
can set this up again. End of the year sometime.

01:09:46.720 --> 01:09:49.500
I really enjoyed this and there's always a lot

01:09:49.500 --> 01:09:52.539
more to talk about. Keep in mind I got war stories

01:09:52.539 --> 01:09:57.319
that nobody knows about crazy things. So you

01:09:57.319 --> 01:10:00.479
let me know, Ryan, whenever. I appreciate it

01:10:00.479 --> 01:10:03.829
and thank you very much. Definitely, you are

01:10:03.829 --> 01:10:06.710
welcome and I will take you on this offer. I'm

01:10:06.710 --> 01:10:11.590
not afraid. Be ready though, they're crazy stories.

01:10:12.189 --> 01:10:13.289
They're not listening to it. They're not like,

01:10:13.569 --> 01:10:16.689
oh, everybody, everybody fawned and went vegan

01:10:16.689 --> 01:10:19.390
and said, oh, you're the greatest. I got crazy

01:10:19.390 --> 01:10:21.750
cop confrontations when I was radical in the

01:10:21.750 --> 01:10:25.529
diet. They're just insane things as I trudge

01:10:25.529 --> 01:10:28.109
through the path of activism to find my way into

01:10:28.109 --> 01:10:31.539
the classroom. I did a lot of crazy things. And

01:10:31.539 --> 01:10:35.100
always with a comical aspect too. I love those

01:10:35.100 --> 01:10:39.680
stories. I live for them. I have the ALF book.

01:10:40.279 --> 01:10:43.449
What is it called? I forget the name, but the

01:10:43.449 --> 01:10:45.949
completion of all of those stunts they've done.

01:10:46.329 --> 01:10:50.050
And I actually recorded two episodes with Dr.

01:10:50.409 --> 01:10:54.970
Vlasak about the ALF action. So yeah, this podcast

01:10:54.970 --> 01:10:57.789
is open to those stories. Jerry's one of my boys.

01:10:57.930 --> 01:10:59.729
I love you, Jerry. I've known him for a long

01:10:59.729 --> 01:11:03.109
time. I got a crazy story with Jerry. Next time,

01:11:03.310 --> 01:11:05.430
remind me to tell you about the craziest thing.

01:11:05.529 --> 01:11:09.199
Maybe it was me and Jerry. Insane. Definitely.

01:11:09.399 --> 01:11:13.800
I love Jerry. So once again, thank you so much,

01:11:13.939 --> 01:11:17.239
Kerry. Thank you everyone for listening. I kindly

01:11:17.239 --> 01:11:20.000
invite you to share this podcast with the vegans

01:11:20.000 --> 01:11:23.199
you know. Let's encourage more people to take

01:11:23.199 --> 01:11:26.979
action. Again, thank you so much for caring and

01:11:26.979 --> 01:11:29.899
I will see you next Tuesday for a new episode.