WEBVTT 00:00:08.330 --> 00:00:11.269 What's going on, Pursuers? Welcome to The Pursuit 00:00:11.269 --> 00:00:14.449 of Calling, the podcast that provides you with 00:00:14.449 --> 00:00:17.390 the strategies and tools needed to successfully 00:00:17.390 --> 00:00:20.949 discover and pursue your calling. Whether it's 00:00:20.949 --> 00:00:23.350 through inspiring stories, thought -provoking 00:00:23.350 --> 00:00:26.269 interviews, or quick, insightful episodes on 00:00:26.269 --> 00:00:28.690 personal growth and development, we've got you 00:00:28.690 --> 00:00:32.490 covered. I'm your host, Thomas Carney. Enjoy 00:00:32.490 --> 00:00:42.789 the episode. Hey, so I've been pretty busy. So 00:00:42.789 --> 00:00:45.909 this week I decided to give you a little bit 00:00:45.909 --> 00:00:47.869 of a taste of an episode, not taste, but the 00:00:47.869 --> 00:00:50.289 full episode of some of a conversation I had 00:00:50.289 --> 00:00:53.929 with Lee Hanyo back in July of 2024, where we 00:00:53.929 --> 00:00:57.509 talked all about endurance. We talked about what 00:00:57.509 --> 00:01:00.070 his, why his loving of endurance and helping 00:01:00.070 --> 00:01:03.670 and pushing other people to endure well. So guys. 00:01:04.310 --> 00:01:06.310 I think in this season of my life, while I'm 00:01:06.310 --> 00:01:08.689 transitioning from full -time employment to full 00:01:08.689 --> 00:01:11.189 -time entrepreneurship, it's a great thing to 00:01:11.189 --> 00:01:13.030 think about, a great thing to remind myself of. 00:01:13.109 --> 00:01:15.250 And I really wanted to remind you guys that endurance 00:01:15.250 --> 00:01:18.109 is one of the most important things that we have 00:01:18.109 --> 00:01:21.950 in the arsenal of, one, being a Christian and 00:01:21.950 --> 00:01:24.890 living with circumstances that are outside of 00:01:24.890 --> 00:01:28.510 our control as we pursue the calling that God 00:01:28.510 --> 00:01:33.280 has on our lives. So if you... Want to learn 00:01:33.280 --> 00:01:35.700 how to endure more? Keep on listening. And guys, 00:01:35.780 --> 00:01:38.260 I'll be back with a live episode next week. All 00:01:38.260 --> 00:01:41.439 right. See ya. All right, guys. Hey, how's it 00:01:41.439 --> 00:01:46.939 going? So I'm here with Lee. It's Hanyo. Hanyo. 00:01:46.980 --> 00:01:49.099 Hanyo. Yeah. Mike Wallace butchers it all the 00:01:49.099 --> 00:01:51.519 time. And he thinks he's right. He looks at me 00:01:51.519 --> 00:01:53.000 and I go like this. I go, nope, that's not right. 00:01:53.159 --> 00:01:56.280 Did he say Hanyo? He says Hanyo. He said Hanoi 00:01:56.280 --> 00:01:58.719 before like Vietnam or whatever, right? Capital 00:01:58.719 --> 00:02:01.239 or something like that. No, it's Hanyo. Hanyo. 00:02:01.299 --> 00:02:05.480 Okay. Okay. It makes me think. It's like Han. 00:02:05.640 --> 00:02:10.319 I don't know. But anyway, so we were just catching 00:02:10.319 --> 00:02:13.060 up for a little bit before the episode, before 00:02:13.060 --> 00:02:15.759 the recording. But for those who don't know Lee, 00:02:15.860 --> 00:02:20.360 no, who is Lee Hanyo? Lee Hanyo. Lee Hanyo. Yeah. 00:02:20.460 --> 00:02:22.139 So I always like to start this off with I'm a 00:02:22.139 --> 00:02:23.960 child of God. I think that's first and foremost. 00:02:25.060 --> 00:02:28.580 I am a husband. I have a beautiful wife, Megan. 00:02:31.310 --> 00:02:33.949 Just in general, I'm like an adventurer. I like 00:02:33.949 --> 00:02:35.569 to explore. I like to learn new things, like 00:02:35.569 --> 00:02:38.330 to see new places. Very important part of my 00:02:38.330 --> 00:02:40.330 life, I think, is just travel and experience. 00:02:41.229 --> 00:02:43.430 And I love fly fishing. I love cycling. I love 00:02:43.430 --> 00:02:46.129 running, backpacking, pretty much any kind of 00:02:46.129 --> 00:02:48.650 outdoor sport or activity you could think of. 00:02:48.650 --> 00:02:50.830 I've dabbled in it, I'm sure. But those are kind 00:02:50.830 --> 00:02:55.310 of like my core passions. Have you ever gone 00:02:55.310 --> 00:02:58.240 spelunking? spelunking no so that kind of freaks 00:02:58.240 --> 00:02:59.560 me out a little bit actually they can't like 00:02:59.560 --> 00:03:02.060 uh we have we have a cabin up north my my uh 00:03:02.060 --> 00:03:04.460 wife's family has a cabin up there and there's 00:03:04.460 --> 00:03:06.699 some cave systems up there and i've i've been 00:03:06.699 --> 00:03:09.319 in a little bit and that's i don't know i feel 00:03:09.319 --> 00:03:10.580 like i have probably have a little bit like a 00:03:10.580 --> 00:03:13.259 claustrophobia okay so that kind of freaks me 00:03:13.259 --> 00:03:15.460 out a little bit as well as like underwater stuff 00:03:15.460 --> 00:03:19.099 um i love swimming i'm a great swimmer but i 00:03:19.099 --> 00:03:21.500 don't think i could be like a like a scuba diver 00:03:21.500 --> 00:03:23.379 or like go in like cave systems i just i don't 00:03:23.379 --> 00:03:25.580 know it freaks me out yeah my uncle he would 00:03:25.580 --> 00:03:28.960 take us um he would take us like caving and bike 00:03:28.960 --> 00:03:30.780 he would take us bike riding but the one thing 00:03:30.780 --> 00:03:32.280 we would do that like was my favorite thing was 00:03:32.280 --> 00:03:34.759 like caving okay and there was this cave called 00:03:34.759 --> 00:03:37.500 bear cave and we would uh there's no bears in 00:03:37.500 --> 00:03:41.800 it but the uh the it was i tell people about 00:03:41.800 --> 00:03:44.240 it and they like there's this one point where 00:03:44.240 --> 00:03:46.099 you have to like army crawl for like i saw like 00:03:46.099 --> 00:03:50.759 100 feet and like am i always i'm crawling through 00:03:50.759 --> 00:03:52.840 i'm like i get like that you get the thought 00:03:52.840 --> 00:03:54.699 of like man this could just collapse right now 00:03:54.699 --> 00:03:57.699 yes exactly that's terrifying but i don't think 00:03:57.699 --> 00:04:00.599 about it till i'm there okay yeah i get in there 00:04:00.599 --> 00:04:03.199 i move around like you step like you um step 00:04:03.199 --> 00:04:05.479 on like you get like i can't explain like there's 00:04:05.479 --> 00:04:07.659 like like i can't i can't explain it but like 00:04:07.659 --> 00:04:10.139 without uh video the show people but like uh 00:04:10.139 --> 00:04:14.110 what i mean but like the uh I don't know. It 00:04:14.110 --> 00:04:18.050 was so much fun. There's barely any water. There's 00:04:18.050 --> 00:04:22.410 small little streams at certain points. He also 00:04:22.410 --> 00:04:25.189 scuba dived. He's a certified scuba guy. He loves 00:04:25.189 --> 00:04:35.310 underwater caves and stuff. Cool guy. I almost 00:04:35.310 --> 00:04:37.290 messed up my notes. I think I did mess up my 00:04:37.290 --> 00:04:42.810 notes. It's okay. you know, this podcast is called 00:04:42.810 --> 00:04:45.750 the pursuit of calling recently, uh, changed. 00:04:46.129 --> 00:04:49.569 And I asked you, and I asked you one of the questions 00:04:49.569 --> 00:04:52.889 I sent, like, like, what is your calling? And 00:04:52.889 --> 00:04:54.589 I let you interpret that however you want to 00:04:54.589 --> 00:04:58.470 interpret that. Um, the kind of, we were talking 00:04:58.470 --> 00:05:00.009 about how, what about your work as a project 00:05:00.009 --> 00:05:03.470 manager and like what you did before that and 00:05:03.470 --> 00:05:07.009 then what you do with the church. So like, how 00:05:07.009 --> 00:05:10.350 would you define your calling? Yeah, I think 00:05:10.350 --> 00:05:13.589 that's a great question. I think I probably haven't 00:05:13.589 --> 00:05:16.269 realized it until lately, maybe the past handful 00:05:16.269 --> 00:05:19.410 of years. But I think it's definitely helping 00:05:19.410 --> 00:05:23.110 people, whether that's realizing potential or 00:05:23.110 --> 00:05:25.850 helping them through a tough situation. I feel 00:05:25.850 --> 00:05:28.629 like a lot of my life, my adult life at least, 00:05:28.649 --> 00:05:33.990 I've spent figuring myself out, where now I think 00:05:33.990 --> 00:05:36.209 I have a pretty good understanding of who I am. 00:05:37.120 --> 00:05:39.519 and what I'm good at where now I can sort of 00:05:39.519 --> 00:05:41.319 pass a little bit of that knowledge and wisdom 00:05:41.319 --> 00:05:44.740 on to other people. I've lived a really long 00:05:44.740 --> 00:05:47.899 life for only being 33 years old. I've just had 00:05:47.899 --> 00:05:51.180 a lot of really interesting and odd and great 00:05:51.180 --> 00:05:54.100 and terrible experiences. So I feel like I have 00:05:54.100 --> 00:05:56.040 a lot of experience with different situations 00:05:56.040 --> 00:05:58.819 and different things and I'm very much a self 00:05:58.819 --> 00:06:01.459 -starter. So helping other people get started 00:06:01.459 --> 00:06:03.819 with something or helping them realize a passion 00:06:03.819 --> 00:06:06.569 or unlocking their potential. seems like a lot 00:06:06.569 --> 00:06:10.329 of fun to me. Um, and I, I feel like as of recently, 00:06:10.329 --> 00:06:13.810 things are just more about people instead of 00:06:13.810 --> 00:06:17.970 myself. So connecting with people, serving, helping, 00:06:18.069 --> 00:06:20.730 um, helping build things is definitely, I think 00:06:20.730 --> 00:06:22.569 my, my calling, or at least where I'm being drawn 00:06:22.569 --> 00:06:27.029 to this current moment. And like you mentioned 00:06:27.029 --> 00:06:30.689 about death now and, and one of your texts that 00:06:30.689 --> 00:06:33.569 we were talking, um, that you like, that you 00:06:33.569 --> 00:06:35.430 say like you love um believing in people and 00:06:35.430 --> 00:06:37.949 helping them get started on a journey so like 00:06:37.949 --> 00:06:39.649 how do you do that practically like what do you 00:06:39.649 --> 00:06:41.970 like what do you mean by that yeah um i think 00:06:41.970 --> 00:06:43.509 a lot of people see the stuff that i do whether 00:06:43.509 --> 00:06:46.209 it's like a cycling thing or or backpacking or 00:06:46.209 --> 00:06:48.089 running or maybe photography or something like 00:06:48.089 --> 00:06:49.730 that and they're always like wow that's so cool 00:06:49.730 --> 00:06:51.170 like i wish i could do something like that i 00:06:51.170 --> 00:06:53.209 hear that so much i wish i wish i could do that 00:06:53.209 --> 00:06:54.949 not just the things that i do but just things 00:06:54.949 --> 00:06:56.790 in general right we're just chatting conversation 00:06:56.790 --> 00:06:59.379 oh that'd be so cool to do that i'm like Let's 00:06:59.379 --> 00:07:02.160 do it. Why can't you do it? Why can't we do that? 00:07:03.240 --> 00:07:06.079 Brandon's a really good example. We talked about 00:07:06.079 --> 00:07:07.759 this on his podcast. We're going to talk about 00:07:07.759 --> 00:07:09.040 it a little bit more next time I get with him. 00:07:09.660 --> 00:07:11.639 A handful of years ago, he was like, I want to 00:07:11.639 --> 00:07:14.079 be more outdoorsy. I'm like, cool, let's go do 00:07:14.079 --> 00:07:15.600 it. He's like, what are we going to do? I'm like, 00:07:15.699 --> 00:07:17.319 I'm just going to throw you into the fire. Let's 00:07:17.319 --> 00:07:20.139 just go backpacking. Let's do that. Let's go 00:07:20.139 --> 00:07:23.439 on a backpacking trip. Let's strap a bunch of 00:07:23.439 --> 00:07:25.459 gear to kayaks and go down the river for a couple 00:07:25.459 --> 00:07:28.079 days and do that. He was like, dude, my dream 00:07:28.079 --> 00:07:29.600 is to go to the Grand Canyon and see it. I'm 00:07:29.600 --> 00:07:31.959 like, okay, we're going to go. Five years from 00:07:31.959 --> 00:07:34.120 now, we're going to do a five -year plan. But 00:07:34.120 --> 00:07:35.839 instead of seeing it, we're going to experience 00:07:35.839 --> 00:07:38.740 it. So let's go rim to rim. Let's start on one 00:07:38.740 --> 00:07:42.680 side and go through it, see the canyon by being 00:07:42.680 --> 00:07:44.959 inside of it, and then summit on the other side. 00:07:45.060 --> 00:07:46.800 So we're actually going to do that this September. 00:07:47.139 --> 00:07:51.920 But that's something practical. If I know something 00:07:51.920 --> 00:07:53.959 about what you're interested in or what you want 00:07:53.959 --> 00:07:56.819 to do, then... I have a really good frame of 00:07:56.819 --> 00:07:58.959 reference to pull from and to help you out with 00:07:58.959 --> 00:08:00.740 that. And if it's something that I don't know 00:08:00.740 --> 00:08:03.319 anything about, I love to learn. So I'll learn 00:08:03.319 --> 00:08:04.680 about it with you and I'll take that journey 00:08:04.680 --> 00:08:06.439 with you. You know, like a lot of my friends 00:08:06.439 --> 00:08:07.779 are like, I want to get into this or that. And 00:08:07.779 --> 00:08:09.300 I'm like, I don't know anything about it, but 00:08:09.300 --> 00:08:10.959 let's do it. It'll be, it'll be fun for me too. 00:08:11.060 --> 00:08:13.220 You know, it's like as like another arrow to 00:08:13.220 --> 00:08:15.279 the quiver of things that you're knowledgeable 00:08:15.279 --> 00:08:17.639 about or you're good at. And then you could pass 00:08:17.639 --> 00:08:18.879 that information on to other people and help 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:22.279 them out. Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome. I think 00:08:22.279 --> 00:08:26.579 that's really cool. Like, I mean, that's a special 00:08:26.579 --> 00:08:29.680 quality to have, to not just want to learn how 00:08:29.680 --> 00:08:33.379 to, not to love to learn. I love learning. I 00:08:33.379 --> 00:08:34.919 love helping people. But the way you're doing 00:08:34.919 --> 00:08:42.200 it is in a more physical sense, I guess, with 00:08:42.200 --> 00:08:44.559 the hiking and stuff like that. In that sense, 00:08:44.639 --> 00:08:46.279 I'm sure there's other ways that you can do it, 00:08:46.320 --> 00:08:53.740 too. How did you find out that that was a passion 00:08:53.740 --> 00:08:55.690 of yours? like helping people with it, get something 00:08:55.690 --> 00:08:57.350 you started doing is just like popped up in your 00:08:57.350 --> 00:08:59.389 head and that you're like, why can't you do that? 00:08:59.450 --> 00:09:01.370 Or like, what, is there any backstory to that? 00:09:02.009 --> 00:09:04.389 I wouldn't say there was like one specific moment, 00:09:04.429 --> 00:09:05.909 like when there's aha moments where it was like, 00:09:05.990 --> 00:09:07.970 Oh, this is what I want to do. I think it's more 00:09:07.970 --> 00:09:10.090 or less that I just grew up doing a lot of, just 00:09:10.090 --> 00:09:13.710 a lot of things. And as I, you know, made more 00:09:13.710 --> 00:09:16.769 friends or, um, even just thinking about, um, 00:09:16.889 --> 00:09:20.009 my, my two brother -in -laws, like, They were 00:09:20.009 --> 00:09:21.830 into fishing and backpacking and stuff like that, 00:09:21.889 --> 00:09:23.610 but then we started going on these adventures 00:09:23.610 --> 00:09:26.549 and started to do bigger things and kind of just 00:09:26.549 --> 00:09:27.789 helping them out with some stuff, and they helped 00:09:27.789 --> 00:09:30.289 me out with understanding different things. I 00:09:30.289 --> 00:09:34.169 think just over time, it just struck me as this 00:09:34.169 --> 00:09:37.929 would be really cool to help people with experiences 00:09:37.929 --> 00:09:40.509 or help people just kind of unlock things in 00:09:40.509 --> 00:09:43.129 them that they might not think that they can 00:09:43.129 --> 00:09:45.090 do or they don't believe in themselves. I think 00:09:45.090 --> 00:09:48.820 everybody has a little bit more. inside of them 00:09:48.820 --> 00:09:51.639 than they think so yeah yeah definitely not like 00:09:51.639 --> 00:09:53.340 one specific experience or something like that 00:09:53.340 --> 00:09:55.440 but yeah but it's it's really cool doing stuff 00:09:55.440 --> 00:09:57.259 with people i have a friend right now he wants 00:09:57.259 --> 00:10:00.159 to ride go on like a if you're into cycling it's 00:10:00.159 --> 00:10:02.679 called a century ride 100 miles a century okay 00:10:02.679 --> 00:10:04.720 so that's like a big thing like for for cycling 00:10:04.720 --> 00:10:06.980 like it's like a that's definitely like a good 00:10:06.980 --> 00:10:09.460 accomplishment if you're into riding bikes um 00:10:09.460 --> 00:10:13.220 so he was like dude i want to I want to do that. 00:10:13.259 --> 00:10:14.820 I'm like, all right, let's do it. Like I'll tell 00:10:14.820 --> 00:10:16.240 you exactly how to train. We're going to go ride 00:10:16.240 --> 00:10:17.659 that. So he's been working on that this year 00:10:17.659 --> 00:10:19.200 and hopefully we're going to knock out a hundred 00:10:19.200 --> 00:10:21.139 mile ride. I can do that with him and see him 00:10:21.139 --> 00:10:23.740 through the finish line. So it gives me, it gives 00:10:23.740 --> 00:10:26.480 me a lot of satisfaction, you know, not, not 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:29.000 selfishly, but just you're, you're completing 00:10:29.000 --> 00:10:31.360 something or a goal of yours and I can walk alongside 00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:33.500 you with that. So it's, it's fun to help people. 00:10:33.519 --> 00:10:36.059 And it's also, you know, it gives you satisfaction 00:10:36.059 --> 00:10:38.639 to help someone complete that goal. So it's like 00:10:38.639 --> 00:10:42.399 a two for one special. Yeah. Yeah. The reason 00:10:42.399 --> 00:10:46.419 I was asking about like the backstory piece is 00:10:46.419 --> 00:10:53.159 because I like, I like to think, I like to, part 00:10:53.159 --> 00:10:55.460 of me likes to dissect stories and like to see 00:10:55.460 --> 00:11:00.460 like, like the story behind the person, the story 00:11:00.460 --> 00:11:03.179 behind, and like, and you answered it and you 00:11:03.179 --> 00:11:05.740 answered that question. Well, I, I'm wondering 00:11:05.740 --> 00:11:10.700 like for maybe for others that are listening, 00:11:11.259 --> 00:11:13.000 we can do two parts for others that are listening 00:11:13.000 --> 00:11:14.740 that maybe are in that spot where they're like, 00:11:14.779 --> 00:11:17.779 maybe there isn't something they want to do something. 00:11:17.879 --> 00:11:19.779 They don't think they may have an imposter syndrome 00:11:19.779 --> 00:11:23.659 and they think, or they, it's maybe there's something 00:11:23.659 --> 00:11:26.039 else holding them back. And maybe those are answers 00:11:26.039 --> 00:11:29.720 that things that you've heard before. Um, what, 00:11:29.879 --> 00:11:31.840 and we've kind of talked about some advice, but 00:11:31.840 --> 00:11:34.779 if like, without like, if they don't know you 00:11:34.779 --> 00:11:36.620 directly, like what are some like practical things 00:11:36.620 --> 00:11:38.919 a person can do for themselves? Yeah. I think, 00:11:38.960 --> 00:11:42.490 um, everybody's, Everybody has a little bit of 00:11:42.490 --> 00:11:45.389 fear in them and it's, it's, it's hard to start 00:11:45.389 --> 00:11:48.570 some things. Right. I talk about this a lot too, 00:11:48.649 --> 00:11:50.730 is like the fear of failure where a lot of times 00:11:50.730 --> 00:11:51.870 people don't start something because they're 00:11:51.870 --> 00:11:52.990 just scared that like, they're not going to be 00:11:52.990 --> 00:11:54.789 able to finish it or complete it. Right. But 00:11:54.789 --> 00:11:58.230 what I always say is that failure for me is not 00:11:58.230 --> 00:12:01.320 starting something. That is the failure because 00:12:01.320 --> 00:12:03.500 you're doing a big disservice to yourself on 00:12:03.500 --> 00:12:05.259 something that you could be great at, but you 00:12:05.259 --> 00:12:07.100 might not be good at it. And if you're not good 00:12:07.100 --> 00:12:08.779 at it or if you don't get any kind of personal 00:12:08.779 --> 00:12:12.259 satisfaction or gain from it, dropping that isn't 00:12:12.259 --> 00:12:13.799 like failing. It's just like, hey, this wasn't 00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:16.240 for me. But at least you started it. At least 00:12:16.240 --> 00:12:19.539 you tried and challenged yourself. So that's 00:12:19.539 --> 00:12:22.179 everybody's barrier to entry, I think, is it 00:12:22.179 --> 00:12:24.799 starts with fear. So my practical advice for 00:12:24.799 --> 00:12:29.620 that is as easy as it is to say. like be brave 00:12:29.620 --> 00:12:34.500 and just step out and just do it. Like I'm, I'm 00:12:34.500 --> 00:12:37.860 not, or I wasn't, I've changed a lot, but I wasn't 00:12:37.860 --> 00:12:39.759 really like a big people person growing up and 00:12:39.759 --> 00:12:43.139 I don't do well with big crowds or like putting 00:12:43.139 --> 00:12:45.600 myself out there to talk to people or meet people. 00:12:45.980 --> 00:12:48.179 But something I've been doing more the past couple 00:12:48.179 --> 00:12:51.399 of years is like just saying hi to people, talking 00:12:51.399 --> 00:12:54.399 to people more. And it's, you know, that's, that's 00:12:54.399 --> 00:12:56.019 something that was hard for me, but I had to 00:12:56.019 --> 00:12:58.539 just start doing it. And after a while it just 00:12:58.539 --> 00:13:01.159 becomes second nature. Yeah. Yeah. So I think, 00:13:01.159 --> 00:13:04.120 yeah, being brave and just getting started is 00:13:04.120 --> 00:13:07.470 the best thing you can do. So just don't think 00:13:07.470 --> 00:13:08.610 too much about it. I mean, if you're getting 00:13:08.610 --> 00:13:10.669 into something very specific or technical, like 00:13:10.669 --> 00:13:12.210 it's probably a good thing to know kind of what 00:13:12.210 --> 00:13:13.429 you're getting yourself into, right? Like you 00:13:13.429 --> 00:13:14.990 don't want to just be like, I want to go base 00:13:14.990 --> 00:13:16.629 jumping and then just start jumping off a building. 00:13:16.710 --> 00:13:17.970 Like you probably don't want to take a few more 00:13:17.970 --> 00:13:19.950 easier steps between now and then. Right. But 00:13:19.950 --> 00:13:23.669 other things like running or like you code, right? 00:13:23.769 --> 00:13:25.129 I mean, just things like that. If you want to 00:13:25.129 --> 00:13:26.789 get into it, like just do a little bit of research, 00:13:26.889 --> 00:13:29.049 but don't let that paralyze you. Just try to 00:13:29.049 --> 00:13:30.389 learn a little bit of it and then just get started. 00:13:30.470 --> 00:13:32.409 You'll learn along the way. And whatever happens, 00:13:32.429 --> 00:13:34.149 happens after that. But at least you could say 00:13:34.149 --> 00:13:37.019 you tried. Yeah. and that's really good advice 00:13:37.019 --> 00:13:41.440 to say that yeah failure is not starting it's 00:13:41.440 --> 00:13:46.179 the failure to start um the i i actually i think 00:13:46.179 --> 00:13:48.440 i talked about that like literally like two episodes 00:13:48.440 --> 00:13:52.000 ago something like that it was like there is 00:13:52.000 --> 00:13:56.159 a lot of there there is a lot of like a lot a 00:13:56.159 --> 00:14:00.320 lot of think a lot of people that say like i 00:14:00.320 --> 00:14:03.159 i think you were saying this earlier maybe before 00:14:03.159 --> 00:14:05.440 we were we were talking before, before we were 00:14:05.440 --> 00:14:10.419 recording the, that a lot of people, um, I remember 00:14:10.419 --> 00:14:12.120 whenever you were like, whenever you were talking 00:14:12.120 --> 00:14:13.779 about Brandon and like, like you were talking 00:14:13.779 --> 00:14:16.559 about breaking into steps, the, I think when 00:14:16.559 --> 00:14:18.580 you start, when I think people don't start a 00:14:18.580 --> 00:14:20.379 lot of time because they, they see the end vision, 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:22.320 they see where they want to, they see where they 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:23.840 want to be. And they're like, man, I can never 00:14:23.840 --> 00:14:25.840 make it there. Sure. And then the reason they 00:14:25.840 --> 00:14:27.299 don't start is because they never think they 00:14:27.299 --> 00:14:30.980 don't really necessarily think about the easy 00:14:30.980 --> 00:14:32.960 steps that they, the easy thing that they can 00:14:32.960 --> 00:14:35.370 do to, to get to that point. Maybe the barrier 00:14:35.370 --> 00:14:37.350 to entry isn't really that big. Yeah, it might 00:14:37.350 --> 00:14:41.250 not be. And it's just the barrier to entry or 00:14:41.250 --> 00:14:45.450 even just barrier to start. Like with coding, 00:14:45.610 --> 00:14:48.330 the barrier to start is very low because all 00:14:48.330 --> 00:14:50.730 you have to do is go to YouTube and look up how 00:14:50.730 --> 00:14:53.129 to code and you're good to go. Access to some 00:14:53.129 --> 00:14:55.230 kind of device, right, to code on. But yeah, 00:14:55.289 --> 00:14:57.090 there's nothing too crazy you got to get into. 00:14:57.149 --> 00:14:58.909 You don't have to buy 20 grand worth of equipment, 00:14:58.990 --> 00:15:00.450 right? Right. You want to get into running, you 00:15:00.450 --> 00:15:03.269 got two legs. Right. Get running, you know, you 00:15:03.269 --> 00:15:04.909 don't have to. Yeah, it's nice to have a good 00:15:04.909 --> 00:15:07.409 pair of running shoes and and to have, you know, 00:15:07.409 --> 00:15:09.570 nice running gear and equipment or whatever. 00:15:09.730 --> 00:15:12.470 But it's like you can go out and do it like cycling. 00:15:12.549 --> 00:15:13.909 Same thing. You don't need a ten thousand dollar 00:15:13.909 --> 00:15:16.570 carbon fiber bike to do it. You got a bike. Start 00:15:16.570 --> 00:15:18.529 riding your bike. You can upgrade it later, but 00:15:18.529 --> 00:15:24.690 just get started. I think the one thing you mentioned 00:15:24.690 --> 00:15:27.809 in your another one thing you mentioned in one 00:15:27.809 --> 00:15:30.549 of your texts that you say you love to endure. 00:15:31.080 --> 00:15:34.399 Yeah. I Googled the word endure just to see what 00:15:34.399 --> 00:15:39.299 it would say. And the Cambridge dictionary. And 00:15:39.299 --> 00:15:41.340 the first thing that comes up is to suffer for 00:15:41.340 --> 00:15:43.440 something difficult, unpleasant or painful. Yeah. 00:15:43.960 --> 00:15:47.620 Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. So like, what do 00:15:47.620 --> 00:15:49.419 you mean? Like you love to endure, like go into 00:15:49.419 --> 00:15:54.159 that. Yeah. It's, it's interesting. I mean, I 00:15:54.159 --> 00:15:55.580 can, I can break this down into the kind of two 00:15:55.580 --> 00:16:00.950 different things. Yeah. I guess the start. I 00:16:00.950 --> 00:16:04.330 like to really physically challenge myself. Whenever 00:16:04.330 --> 00:16:07.309 I say that, it's fun to have a good workout and 00:16:07.309 --> 00:16:09.610 a hard workout or do something like that whenever 00:16:09.610 --> 00:16:11.330 you're gassed, but I like to be on the brink 00:16:11.330 --> 00:16:13.889 of collapse. I don't know why. It's definitely 00:16:13.889 --> 00:16:17.710 probably masochistic to a point, but it's something 00:16:17.710 --> 00:16:21.230 that weirdly gives me joy. I love seeing how 00:16:21.230 --> 00:16:23.950 far I can push myself, really how far you can 00:16:23.950 --> 00:16:26.529 go. I think I mentioned this to you whenever 00:16:26.529 --> 00:16:28.750 we were texting back and forth, but I feel like 00:16:29.080 --> 00:16:31.240 people have so much potential and they have so 00:16:31.240 --> 00:16:33.440 much like inner strength or like inner, like 00:16:33.440 --> 00:16:35.679 inner brains and like, and you know, they're 00:16:35.679 --> 00:16:38.539 smart, but people don't push themselves enough 00:16:38.539 --> 00:16:40.779 to kind of unlock that. It's really cool to see 00:16:40.779 --> 00:16:43.220 what you can do whenever you really, when you 00:16:43.220 --> 00:16:45.320 really push yourself onto like that brink of, 00:16:45.340 --> 00:16:47.669 of. Like, am I going to make it out of here? 00:16:47.730 --> 00:16:51.210 You know, I'm not saying like death, but it's 00:16:51.210 --> 00:16:53.750 really interesting whenever you you kind of get 00:16:53.750 --> 00:16:55.549 past the point you didn't think you could go. 00:16:55.789 --> 00:16:57.889 And that unlocks a whole new thinking in your 00:16:57.889 --> 00:16:59.809 mind is like, man, I can really accomplish a 00:16:59.809 --> 00:17:03.049 lot more than I ever thought or imagined I could. 00:17:03.429 --> 00:17:07.970 So I try to do stuff regularly that makes me 00:17:07.970 --> 00:17:11.750 get to that point. And I feel like that it's 00:17:11.750 --> 00:17:14.079 really good for just like. building character, 00:17:14.180 --> 00:17:15.880 building inner strength, building confidence 00:17:15.880 --> 00:17:18.200 and belief in yourself. And then that's stuff 00:17:18.200 --> 00:17:20.380 that you can pass on to other people or you can 00:17:20.380 --> 00:17:22.140 be like a model for other people to look at. 00:17:22.220 --> 00:17:24.740 And, you know, I mean, it's not, I don't do it 00:17:24.740 --> 00:17:26.180 for people to be like, Oh, like, look, he's so 00:17:26.180 --> 00:17:28.640 like strong or whatever. But I, I do a lot of 00:17:28.640 --> 00:17:31.619 this stuff where part of me is really just wanting 00:17:31.619 --> 00:17:34.480 to inspire people to, to do it themselves or 00:17:34.480 --> 00:17:36.519 to like take a challenge, like take a risk on 00:17:36.519 --> 00:17:39.880 something. Yeah. I honestly think like, I know 00:17:39.880 --> 00:17:41.759 a little bit ago for those who don't know, um, 00:17:42.360 --> 00:17:44.900 Lee and Rob mentioned it, but he was like, he 00:17:44.900 --> 00:17:46.880 recorded, he, he was like, it was like the day 00:17:46.880 --> 00:17:48.920 before you guys were leaving for the bike ride. 00:17:49.019 --> 00:17:53.599 Yeah. And that was like 390 some miles. 392. 00:17:53.680 --> 00:17:56.180 Yeah. Yeah. Man, I almost got that. Yeah. Yeah. 00:17:56.180 --> 00:17:57.240 You were close actually. That's really good. 00:17:58.299 --> 00:18:02.339 Um, like that was like, I was, I was looking 00:18:02.339 --> 00:18:04.359 at that and I was like, man, I was like, it made 00:18:04.359 --> 00:18:07.299 like, like it made me, I was like, made me want 00:18:07.299 --> 00:18:08.660 to figure out how to get back on my bike. Yeah. 00:18:08.700 --> 00:18:11.519 Cause like, I love that. I have my, Like I've 00:18:11.519 --> 00:18:14.119 been talking, you know, Chaz, um, Chaz Dubois. 00:18:14.440 --> 00:18:17.099 And he, uh, I love his last name. I said Dubois. 00:18:17.460 --> 00:18:20.880 But, uh, he, but like, I'm talking, I try, I 00:18:20.880 --> 00:18:22.400 talk to him every now and then on Sundays and 00:18:22.400 --> 00:18:24.599 stuff about like, what can we do to like get 00:18:24.599 --> 00:18:26.640 me on a bike? Cause like, I can't grip for too 00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:28.880 long, but like, what can I do? And then whenever 00:18:28.880 --> 00:18:31.660 I get my leg figured out, then I was like, uh, 00:18:31.759 --> 00:18:35.019 um, what can I do to get, what do I have to do 00:18:35.019 --> 00:18:37.079 to get out back on the bike? I use, I, I, I was 00:18:37.079 --> 00:18:38.339 for whenever it's for like for three months, 00:18:38.380 --> 00:18:40.960 like. uh i went back when i saw that i went back 00:18:40.960 --> 00:18:42.460 to when i was furloughed for three months like 00:18:42.460 --> 00:18:46.059 during covid and i like i went for a bike ride 00:18:46.059 --> 00:18:48.700 like every day i went to the same trail but like 00:18:48.700 --> 00:18:50.480 i would go like i would go like every single 00:18:50.480 --> 00:18:53.019 day and like pop in the podcast or music and 00:18:53.019 --> 00:18:55.359 it was great yeah and like i like that that was 00:18:55.359 --> 00:18:58.240 a big part of my life that i miss i'm like man 00:18:58.240 --> 00:19:00.759 it's like man that i can't wait i'm gonna figure 00:19:00.759 --> 00:19:03.259 it out yeah like i'll help you yeah we'll figure 00:19:03.259 --> 00:19:05.460 something out dude i appreciate that like i like 00:19:05.460 --> 00:19:07.339 i want to get back on my bike like that's like 00:19:07.740 --> 00:19:10.640 That's a goal of mine. Let's do it. Um, the, 00:19:10.819 --> 00:19:18.240 man, I really like, I like the, whenever I looked 00:19:18.240 --> 00:19:21.319 up the, like, like endurance has to suffer. Like 00:19:21.319 --> 00:19:23.680 the first thing I read, I was like, man, I was 00:19:23.680 --> 00:19:25.180 like, I was like, I was like that. That's like 00:19:25.180 --> 00:19:27.140 the harshest, like thing that you, I was like, 00:19:27.180 --> 00:19:28.740 but like, I didn't think that was going to come 00:19:28.740 --> 00:19:30.359 up to you. Like when I came to indoor, but it 00:19:30.359 --> 00:19:35.640 makes sense. Cause like, like you're, like you're, 00:19:36.399 --> 00:19:38.880 really stripping a lot of stuff away like you're 00:19:38.880 --> 00:19:41.819 you have to endure the pain of like a lot of 00:19:41.819 --> 00:19:44.440 it is like you have to push through the mental 00:19:44.440 --> 00:19:47.640 barrier and that's painful yeah and then yeah 00:19:47.640 --> 00:19:51.079 like if it's a physical thing it's pushing your 00:19:51.079 --> 00:19:53.339 body to like you know for your muscles to like 00:19:53.339 --> 00:19:56.140 tear apart and then for that that's a bit for 00:19:56.140 --> 00:20:02.140 your muscles to build up and it's like i like 00:20:02.140 --> 00:20:03.500 it though it says to suffer something difficult 00:20:03.819 --> 00:20:05.460 difficult and painful. And like, I like that 00:20:05.460 --> 00:20:07.619 we're in, but like we're taking it in the context 00:20:07.619 --> 00:20:12.400 of like for a greater purpose. And it's not like, 00:20:12.440 --> 00:20:16.200 um, like cause enduring can be enduring something 00:20:16.200 --> 00:20:21.119 truly awful, but like the endurance that we're 00:20:21.119 --> 00:20:22.200 talking about, like you talk about, you know, 00:20:22.240 --> 00:20:23.980 people talk about their endurance of like how 00:20:23.980 --> 00:20:26.319 long can they run and stuff like that. And like, 00:20:26.319 --> 00:20:27.619 I never really thought about it like that. I 00:20:27.619 --> 00:20:28.980 never thought about like, Oh, how long can they 00:20:28.980 --> 00:20:31.279 suffer for? Yeah. That's what it is. Yeah. Yeah. 00:20:31.380 --> 00:20:34.299 I mean, I've been, I've been on, I did 150 mile 00:20:34.299 --> 00:20:37.440 ride. One time I rode from, uh, Cumberland, Maryland 00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:40.180 back to Pittsburgh on the gap trail. Uh, that's 00:20:40.180 --> 00:20:41.759 the great Allegheny passage. It shortened up 00:20:41.759 --> 00:20:43.700 the gap, but that was, that was kind of like 00:20:43.700 --> 00:20:46.579 my first like real test of myself that I passed. 00:20:46.859 --> 00:20:49.859 I felt, I actually failed a lot and like, I shouldn't 00:20:49.859 --> 00:20:51.119 even say that because I just told you failure 00:20:51.119 --> 00:20:53.220 wasn't starting, but I mean, okay, let's put 00:20:53.220 --> 00:20:55.380 it this way. I had some not so great experiences 00:20:55.380 --> 00:20:58.220 before that with cycling. Um, and that, that 00:20:58.220 --> 00:21:00.779 ride, that 150 mile ride was kind of like my 00:21:00.779 --> 00:21:03.640 last hurrah of, can I, can I really do this, 00:21:03.640 --> 00:21:06.279 you know, and, and, and do it well. Um, and I 00:21:06.279 --> 00:21:08.019 had, I had a great day on the bike. It hurt. 00:21:08.279 --> 00:21:10.559 Um, I went through like three hours of like lightning 00:21:10.559 --> 00:21:13.920 and rain and mud and it was miserable and I loved 00:21:13.920 --> 00:21:16.279 every second of it. Um, and that, that really 00:21:16.279 --> 00:21:18.319 showed me a lot. That was back in 2020 about 00:21:18.319 --> 00:21:21.339 how I can push myself and circling back to the, 00:21:21.400 --> 00:21:23.579 the bike trip that you had mentioned. Um, I, 00:21:23.640 --> 00:21:25.319 I like to do one of those every year. So it's, 00:21:25.339 --> 00:21:27.119 I was trying to figure out a way that I could 00:21:27.119 --> 00:21:30.339 tie something into something I'm good at. So. 00:21:30.730 --> 00:21:33.990 I'm pretty good at cycling. There's a lot of 00:21:33.990 --> 00:21:35.470 guys out there that are way better than me that 00:21:35.470 --> 00:21:37.250 are probably riding on these streets where you 00:21:37.250 --> 00:21:40.569 live at every day. But I'm decent. I'm probably 00:21:40.569 --> 00:21:42.549 in a top percentile of people that actually get 00:21:42.549 --> 00:21:45.170 out and ride. But I wanted to marry that with 00:21:45.170 --> 00:21:49.049 something. And I felt the need to serve or to 00:21:49.049 --> 00:21:51.170 give. So every year I pick a different charity 00:21:51.170 --> 00:21:54.329 or cause. I ride doing these long rides and I 00:21:54.329 --> 00:21:55.950 raise money for that. So that's kind of how we 00:21:55.950 --> 00:21:58.539 got into that. And that's how... I partnered 00:21:58.539 --> 00:22:00.380 up with the amplify and we did the fundraiser 00:22:00.380 --> 00:22:02.720 for the survival center with Rob. Yeah. Yeah. 00:22:02.799 --> 00:22:04.240 So that's kind of tying that all back in together. 00:22:04.500 --> 00:22:08.059 And let me tell you that, that, that cycling 00:22:08.059 --> 00:22:09.519 trip that we took, I don't know if you saw the 00:22:09.519 --> 00:22:11.400 videos or whatever I had, I had a rough time. 00:22:11.440 --> 00:22:14.700 Yeah. I suffered on that trip, you know? And 00:22:14.700 --> 00:22:20.019 I was battling a lot of, a lot of disappointment 00:22:20.019 --> 00:22:24.680 and pride on that because it's been a long time 00:22:24.680 --> 00:22:28.029 since I've not like finished. Whenever it comes 00:22:28.029 --> 00:22:30.609 to doing something like this. Right. Um, and 00:22:30.609 --> 00:22:32.470 I had two days where I had, I had to pull the 00:22:32.470 --> 00:22:39.150 plug short and I learned on this trip that it 00:22:39.150 --> 00:22:42.589 was smart for me to do what I did. And it also 00:22:42.589 --> 00:22:46.690 isn't embarrassing because it wasn't a failure. 00:22:46.930 --> 00:22:49.990 Rob, Rob, who he was amazing on this trip. So 00:22:49.990 --> 00:22:52.069 proud of him. He was able to keep finishing off 00:22:52.069 --> 00:22:53.430 those days. I couldn't say he kept us going. 00:22:53.569 --> 00:22:56.470 Yeah. That kept it legit for, The days were finished 00:22:56.470 --> 00:23:02.690 to completion. But yeah, I just, Meg Croyle, 00:23:02.769 --> 00:23:04.769 she sent me a message and she was like, hey, 00:23:04.769 --> 00:23:08.670 maybe this is like God telling you that you can 00:23:08.670 --> 00:23:15.609 still attempt to do something like things that 00:23:15.609 --> 00:23:17.869 you enjoy while also taking care of yourself 00:23:17.869 --> 00:23:19.789 and showing other people that you can take care 00:23:19.789 --> 00:23:23.359 of yourself. while like still suffering through 00:23:23.359 --> 00:23:25.420 something. Actually, do you mind if I pull up 00:23:25.420 --> 00:23:27.339 the message she sent me? I just want to, I want 00:23:27.339 --> 00:23:28.859 to read it because I'm not, I'm not worrying 00:23:28.859 --> 00:23:30.019 that correctly. And I really want to make sure 00:23:30.019 --> 00:23:32.140 I do it justice because she sent me such a really 00:23:32.140 --> 00:23:34.440 nice message. Um, and it meant a lot. So let 00:23:34.440 --> 00:23:36.400 me, let me pull this up here real quick. And 00:23:36.400 --> 00:23:38.799 whenever I read that, it made a lot of sense 00:23:38.799 --> 00:23:42.700 to me and it made me think about the bad time 00:23:42.700 --> 00:23:44.200 I was having and put it in a different perspective. 00:23:44.319 --> 00:23:48.740 Yeah. So she said, she said, um, God is reminding 00:23:48.740 --> 00:23:51.019 you that you have no idea the power he's displaying 00:23:51.019 --> 00:23:53.680 through you when you feel weak. Maybe there is 00:23:53.680 --> 00:23:55.500 someone watching who desperately needs to know 00:23:55.500 --> 00:23:57.880 that you can stumble and keep going, that you 00:23:57.880 --> 00:23:59.880 can pursue serving others and take care of your 00:23:59.880 --> 00:24:01.799 health at the same time. So even though I was 00:24:01.799 --> 00:24:03.380 having a really, really hard time, you know, 00:24:03.380 --> 00:24:06.519 I was stumbling through something. It was, hey, 00:24:06.619 --> 00:24:08.940 I'm still out here. I'm still doing it. And I'm 00:24:08.940 --> 00:24:12.900 doing it smart, taking care of myself. And we 00:24:12.900 --> 00:24:14.940 made it through in the end. We completed the 00:24:14.940 --> 00:24:18.170 mission. Yeah. So I think. a lot of times you 00:24:18.170 --> 00:24:22.069 know having endurance is not only suffering through 00:24:22.069 --> 00:24:24.849 something but it's also just taking the steps 00:24:24.849 --> 00:24:27.549 necessary maybe taking steps back yeah doing 00:24:27.549 --> 00:24:30.210 what you need to do to finish something i don't 00:24:30.210 --> 00:24:32.150 know if that makes sense or not but that's an 00:24:32.150 --> 00:24:34.190 interesting way to look at it too i think yeah 00:24:34.190 --> 00:24:37.130 like when you say taking steps back uh you you 00:24:37.130 --> 00:24:39.549 mean like um like for like for me in that specific 00:24:39.549 --> 00:24:41.509 instance was like pulling out one of the days 00:24:41.509 --> 00:24:47.759 prioritizing my health so that for the die on 00:24:47.759 --> 00:24:50.240 the first day we, it was, it was really rough 00:24:50.240 --> 00:24:53.079 out there. It was like 106, 107 degrees out there 00:24:53.079 --> 00:24:56.140 on the street. And I, I was probably very close 00:24:56.140 --> 00:24:58.740 to, to heat stroke. I was getting dizzy on the 00:24:58.740 --> 00:25:00.519 bike and Rob had to hold me up at points. And 00:25:00.519 --> 00:25:03.799 it was, I was in bad shape. So taking a step 00:25:03.799 --> 00:25:06.160 back and being like, I shouldn't be doing this 00:25:06.160 --> 00:25:08.259 right now, even though that's all I want to do. 00:25:08.500 --> 00:25:10.039 You know, I looked at it that time. I was like, 00:25:10.099 --> 00:25:12.140 this is embarrassing. I'm the, I'm the guy. Yeah. 00:25:12.259 --> 00:25:14.619 And all of a sudden I'm out here on the first 00:25:14.619 --> 00:25:17.519 day and I'm like, I'm weak. You know? Yeah. So 00:25:17.519 --> 00:25:19.099 it was, it was hard for me to come to terms with 00:25:19.099 --> 00:25:21.299 that, but, but you know, what kind of what, what 00:25:21.299 --> 00:25:23.180 Meg said and then just thinking more and even 00:25:23.180 --> 00:25:24.920 just praying about it and trying to, trying to 00:25:24.920 --> 00:25:28.559 hear God, it was just like, Hey, you can, you 00:25:28.559 --> 00:25:30.259 can still do this. Let's just do a little bit 00:25:30.259 --> 00:25:32.180 differently. Yeah. You know, and it might, it 00:25:32.180 --> 00:25:34.500 might look different. It might take longer, but 00:25:34.500 --> 00:25:37.099 that's what endurance is. You know, it's, it's 00:25:37.099 --> 00:25:39.539 just sticking with something and it's like outlasting 00:25:39.539 --> 00:25:41.539 something for me. It was outlasting the pain 00:25:41.539 --> 00:25:43.980 that I was having. It was outlasting that my 00:25:43.980 --> 00:25:46.829 current condition. um, and just balancing back 00:25:46.829 --> 00:25:49.849 and tackling it and, and finishing the job off. 00:25:50.390 --> 00:25:52.589 Yeah. So I think that goes into a lot of endurance 00:25:52.589 --> 00:25:55.549 too. Yeah. And like, this isn't just for the 00:25:55.549 --> 00:25:59.430 listener here. Like it's not just for like, we're 00:25:59.430 --> 00:26:01.349 not just talking physical endurance. No, these 00:26:01.349 --> 00:26:02.809 are just, these are just examples that I have 00:26:02.809 --> 00:26:06.210 recently. Right. Yeah. And like, it's cause like 00:26:06.210 --> 00:26:08.470 whenever we talk about like your calling, it's 00:26:08.470 --> 00:26:09.990 like you're, if you want to pursue something 00:26:09.990 --> 00:26:11.210 that you're passionate about, it's not going 00:26:11.210 --> 00:26:14.089 to be an easy thing to pursue. And there's going 00:26:14.089 --> 00:26:17.920 to be times, when you need to endure and you 00:26:17.920 --> 00:26:19.839 like there's going to be times of suffering to 00:26:19.839 --> 00:26:22.839 be able to like like to learn new to learn new 00:26:22.839 --> 00:26:26.619 things there are going to be points of um i guess 00:26:26.619 --> 00:26:29.799 you air quote failure and like times whenever 00:26:29.799 --> 00:26:31.859 you're going to learn new things and then have 00:26:31.859 --> 00:26:35.140 to deal with like then learn new mental strategies 00:26:35.140 --> 00:26:39.609 to deal with um deal with like whatever whatever 00:26:39.609 --> 00:26:41.990 whatever um you have to learn whenever you have 00:26:41.990 --> 00:26:43.410 to whenever you have to grow through in order 00:26:43.410 --> 00:26:45.250 to accomplish what you want to accomplish sure 00:26:45.250 --> 00:26:52.710 the mental like um like mental endurance is like 00:26:52.710 --> 00:26:57.089 extremely hard to like like you can't perfect 00:26:57.089 --> 00:26:59.910 it but you can like get really like like you 00:26:59.910 --> 00:27:03.799 can get really you have to be, I think just like 00:27:03.799 --> 00:27:05.460 working out, you have to practice, you have to 00:27:05.460 --> 00:27:06.960 keep doing it. And if you stop doing it, it's 00:27:06.960 --> 00:27:08.799 going to, it's going to be hard to, uh, you have 00:27:08.799 --> 00:27:12.240 to get back into it again. And, um, I'm rambling 00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:15.180 a little bit, but the, uh, like what I'm saying, 00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:17.599 making sense. Yeah, for sure. I, yeah. I mean, 00:27:17.599 --> 00:27:20.160 I, I, I definitely like what you said there. 00:27:20.319 --> 00:27:22.539 Um, especially with like the mental endurance, 00:27:22.799 --> 00:27:25.279 it's, it's just like you said, working out, I 00:27:25.279 --> 00:27:27.180 mean, your, your brain and your mindset is a 00:27:27.180 --> 00:27:29.720 muscle that you have to work. Um, the more that, 00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:31.480 the more that you can, kind of push yourself 00:27:31.480 --> 00:27:35.700 places or maybe outlast like a bad situation 00:27:35.700 --> 00:27:38.259 that makes you mentally tougher. That gives you 00:27:38.259 --> 00:27:40.619 mental endurance. It, it, it sharp, it sharpens 00:27:40.619 --> 00:27:44.500 you. And then whenever things pop up in your 00:27:44.500 --> 00:27:47.759 life down the road, you're like, you have a frame 00:27:47.759 --> 00:27:49.099 of reference. You're like, Oh yeah. I mean like 00:27:49.099 --> 00:27:51.059 this is terrible, but I've been, I've been through 00:27:51.059 --> 00:27:52.819 this before. Like we'll get through this. Yeah. 00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:57.559 Um, it makes, it makes some of the more mundane 00:27:57.559 --> 00:28:01.609 day -to -day agitations maybe not feel so big 00:28:01.609 --> 00:28:03.329 anymore right so it's like okay like this is 00:28:03.329 --> 00:28:04.950 some stuff that doesn't even matter anymore it 00:28:04.950 --> 00:28:06.210 kind of rolls off you because you have a little 00:28:06.210 --> 00:28:07.970 bit more more mental strength you know to get 00:28:07.970 --> 00:28:10.950 through some some situations um yeah definitely 00:28:10.950 --> 00:28:13.710 and i think i've talked about this before too 00:28:13.710 --> 00:28:17.529 but um you know endurance in your faith yeah 00:28:17.529 --> 00:28:18.809 that's something we can yeah that's something 00:28:18.809 --> 00:28:20.730 we can definitely talk about it's like sure you 00:28:20.730 --> 00:28:23.789 know you you can go to church and you can you 00:28:23.789 --> 00:28:25.410 know raise your hand for salvation and then you 00:28:25.410 --> 00:28:28.000 can just be like cool you know wipe my hands 00:28:28.000 --> 00:28:29.980 clean. Like, you know, I'm saying, but, but it's 00:28:29.980 --> 00:28:33.200 like, you know, where's, are you building a relationship 00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:35.160 with God? You know, are you, are you understanding 00:28:35.160 --> 00:28:36.819 the way that, you know, things were designed 00:28:36.819 --> 00:28:39.200 to be? It's like, that's a lifelong process. 00:28:39.240 --> 00:28:41.339 Yeah. And you're never gonna, you're never gonna 00:28:41.339 --> 00:28:43.000 fully get a hundred percent filled up in that. 00:28:43.200 --> 00:28:45.200 It's you're always, you're always learning. You're 00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:47.059 always praying. You should always, always be 00:28:47.059 --> 00:28:48.359 talking to God. You should always be listening 00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:50.799 and serving and doing things in the community. 00:28:51.140 --> 00:28:53.420 And that's, that's endurance. You know, I mean, 00:28:53.420 --> 00:28:56.470 it's like you, everybody, everybody wants to 00:28:56.470 --> 00:28:59.049 thank God for the good times, but it's like what 00:28:59.049 --> 00:29:01.049 happens whenever someone passes away or you go 00:29:01.049 --> 00:29:03.009 through a really, really terrible situation. 00:29:03.109 --> 00:29:05.329 It's like, do you have the endurance to stick 00:29:05.329 --> 00:29:07.609 through that to while you're going through that 00:29:07.609 --> 00:29:10.569 hard time to keep praising, keep thanking God 00:29:10.569 --> 00:29:11.890 for everything that's good in your life, even 00:29:11.890 --> 00:29:13.349 though you have something bad going on. So there's, 00:29:13.349 --> 00:29:16.430 there's endurance in so many things in life that 00:29:16.430 --> 00:29:18.029 you can practically apply like some of the stuff 00:29:18.029 --> 00:29:21.710 too. Yeah. Yeah. I think also like some, something 00:29:21.710 --> 00:29:26.269 to like, I like the concept, like, uh, stuff 00:29:26.269 --> 00:29:28.569 like this, it translates, it translates into 00:29:28.569 --> 00:29:30.130 different situations. Like you go into endurance 00:29:30.130 --> 00:29:31.569 in one area of your life, it's going to translate 00:29:31.569 --> 00:29:32.789 to another area. So like, kind of like what you 00:29:32.789 --> 00:29:34.750 were saying, like you mentioned already, like 00:29:34.750 --> 00:29:38.609 you, like, I'll use my own personal example of 00:29:38.609 --> 00:29:40.849 like me going through my trial of pain and like 00:29:40.849 --> 00:29:43.630 through my, um, uh, issues with muscular, muscular 00:29:43.630 --> 00:29:47.250 dystonia and things like that. Like it's, I've 00:29:47.250 --> 00:29:50.069 realized that like there's the mental endurance 00:29:50.069 --> 00:29:58.299 has, has, excessively like kind of exponentially 00:29:58.299 --> 00:30:01.779 grown within the last couple of years as my pain 00:30:01.779 --> 00:30:06.740 has gotten worse. And it's like, I mentioned 00:30:06.740 --> 00:30:12.380 to you before, like, um, like Meg and Meg, like 00:30:12.380 --> 00:30:14.640 she mentioned to me, like I guess the other day, 00:30:14.700 --> 00:30:16.559 like how, like when she looks at me, she doesn't 00:30:16.559 --> 00:30:17.920 see a person and she didn't even think about 00:30:17.920 --> 00:30:20.059 how much pain I'm in. She thinks about all the 00:30:20.059 --> 00:30:21.980 things I'm doing up with the podcast and with 00:30:21.980 --> 00:30:26.039 the, and with my job or how i lead how what i 00:30:26.039 --> 00:30:29.319 do with production and like a that's encouragement 00:30:29.319 --> 00:30:32.079 and but and like b it's like it's me reminding 00:30:32.079 --> 00:30:33.799 myself like because i'm dealing with this pain 00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:39.299 everywhere i go and that it's the like i i i 00:30:39.299 --> 00:30:41.779 use that as like like i know i've gone through 00:30:41.779 --> 00:30:45.500 i i go through like i like to get this podcast 00:30:45.500 --> 00:30:47.619 set up and reach out to people to try and like 00:30:47.619 --> 00:30:50.079 to get guests on the podcast and before that 00:30:50.079 --> 00:30:52.339 would seem very daunting just to reach out to 00:30:52.339 --> 00:30:54.640 somebody in text and be like and i feel like 00:30:54.640 --> 00:30:56.380 i think it's thinking like man i've done so much 00:30:56.380 --> 00:30:58.359 harder already yeah like every day like five 00:30:58.359 --> 00:31:01.059 minutes ago like i've done so much harder like 00:31:01.059 --> 00:31:03.599 i can do this sure and like some it's not even 00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:05.240 a thought anything i don't even think about it 00:31:05.240 --> 00:31:07.220 anymore like it's like you like stuff like that 00:31:07.220 --> 00:31:08.819 would like affect me so much it doesn't affect 00:31:08.819 --> 00:31:11.720 me anymore and like there's still things i'm 00:31:11.720 --> 00:31:14.339 like like I can be socially awkward, like a lot 00:31:14.339 --> 00:31:15.579 of people and like things like that. And like, 00:31:15.579 --> 00:31:18.839 I'm learning to, learning to like, um, grow my 00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:20.640 confidence and things like that. And building 00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:23.359 in like comments like that, like Meg gave me, 00:31:23.380 --> 00:31:26.140 like, I don't see like a person in pain. I see 00:31:26.140 --> 00:31:28.880 like this man that God has created and building, 00:31:28.900 --> 00:31:32.539 God has built. I'm like, that's like, I couldn't, 00:31:32.539 --> 00:31:34.160 like, that couldn't have asked for a better compliment, 00:31:34.299 --> 00:31:42.750 better, like, uh, and I, it's like, I, I, I always 00:31:42.750 --> 00:31:46.130 feel, I feel like I'm, uh, not rambling, but 00:31:46.130 --> 00:31:51.609 like, um, circling something. Yeah. But there's, 00:31:51.650 --> 00:31:57.130 um, I don't know, man, the heat's getting to 00:31:57.130 --> 00:32:02.289 me. Um, I was talking about like how it, how, 00:32:02.410 --> 00:32:07.109 how like the endurance translates, how passion, 00:32:07.150 --> 00:32:09.789 like the endurance translates from one situation 00:32:09.789 --> 00:32:11.710 to the next. And I think, I think it kind of, 00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:16.259 like summarize that already but um i think we're 00:32:16.259 --> 00:32:18.039 getting pretty good i think we might wrap up 00:32:18.039 --> 00:32:24.799 pretty soon yeah um sorry any uh i have a couple 00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:29.680 closing questions but like uh like based off 00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:31.380 just a conversation do you have any like last 00:32:31.380 --> 00:32:33.599 things to say to like the listeners to like people 00:32:33.599 --> 00:32:35.099 that are listening maybe they're maybe they're 00:32:35.099 --> 00:32:36.960 struggling or maybe they want to what if like 00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:41.250 maybe they're somebody that um would like to 00:32:41.250 --> 00:32:43.829 help a friend out yeah and help them endure yeah 00:32:43.829 --> 00:32:47.769 for sure i think um i think i touched on this 00:32:47.769 --> 00:32:49.549 a little bit earlier but we'll we'll summarize 00:32:49.549 --> 00:32:51.750 it again is that i think everybody out there 00:32:51.750 --> 00:32:53.089 wants to get started with something or wants 00:32:53.089 --> 00:32:54.990 to step out of their comfort zone yeah and whether 00:32:54.990 --> 00:32:56.690 they even know that or not i think there's something 00:32:56.690 --> 00:32:58.630 that stirs inside everybody to take a chance 00:32:58.630 --> 00:33:01.730 or take a risk or go on an adventure yeah um 00:33:01.730 --> 00:33:07.069 so my my advice is to to either if you know what 00:33:07.069 --> 00:33:12.230 you want to do get started Don't let fear hold 00:33:12.230 --> 00:33:14.990 you back. If you don't know what you want to 00:33:14.990 --> 00:33:18.269 do, just keep exploring. Dabble in new things. 00:33:18.670 --> 00:33:20.950 Try new things out. I think life happens outside 00:33:20.950 --> 00:33:22.650 your comfort zone. That's a very popular saying, 00:33:22.750 --> 00:33:25.930 but it's such a very true statement. If you're 00:33:25.930 --> 00:33:29.430 very much stuck in a routine or in a rut, just 00:33:29.430 --> 00:33:31.529 get out of that. If you're inside a lot, just 00:33:31.529 --> 00:33:33.710 go take a walk in the park. Something's going 00:33:33.710 --> 00:33:35.710 to come to you. Pray a little bit. Something 00:33:35.710 --> 00:33:37.910 might come to you. But once that comes to you, 00:33:39.139 --> 00:33:41.299 that's, that's, that's a little spark. Let's, 00:33:41.299 --> 00:33:43.420 you know, let it catch, let's let it create some 00:33:43.420 --> 00:33:45.799 members. Let's let it catch the logs and start 00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:47.619 a big fire. I think that's how you need to kind 00:33:47.619 --> 00:33:50.759 of tackle things in life. So that's, that's my 00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:52.500 advice. And definitely to surround yourself with 00:33:52.500 --> 00:33:55.720 people that are encouraging and that, that, that 00:33:55.720 --> 00:33:57.599 believe in you. If you have a friend group where. 00:33:58.250 --> 00:34:00.730 you guys, you know, it's a lot of like subliminal 00:34:00.730 --> 00:34:02.390 dissing and kind of tearing each other down, 00:34:02.549 --> 00:34:04.329 haha, joking. But at the same time, it's like 00:34:04.329 --> 00:34:06.170 that, that can kind of, that can, that can break 00:34:06.170 --> 00:34:08.150 down over time. Right? Like you need to be surrounded 00:34:08.150 --> 00:34:10.210 with people that, that believe in you, that encourage 00:34:10.210 --> 00:34:13.349 you. And even if they have no idea how to help 00:34:13.349 --> 00:34:15.030 you get started or do something, at least they're 00:34:15.030 --> 00:34:17.210 there for you to say like, Hey, if you're, if 00:34:17.210 --> 00:34:18.510 you're in, like, I'm going to support you. I 00:34:18.510 --> 00:34:19.849 don't know how, I don't know how I can, but like, 00:34:19.929 --> 00:34:22.309 I will just let me know. So yeah. Surround yourself 00:34:22.309 --> 00:34:24.010 with the right people too. It's definitely a 00:34:24.010 --> 00:34:27.760 big key in life. I think. Now that's. that's 00:34:27.760 --> 00:34:29.460 extremely true we talked about that a lot we've 00:34:29.460 --> 00:34:33.880 over like the last this is episode 49 i believe 00:34:33.880 --> 00:34:36.480 really 49 yeah you've been hard at it yeah yeah 00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:39.260 it's been it's been a ride it's fun cool there 00:34:39.260 --> 00:34:41.519 um but whenever uh with sean and i like we've 00:34:41.519 --> 00:34:42.980 talked we talked a lot like with other people 00:34:42.980 --> 00:34:44.420 and like throughout the time like we talked a 00:34:44.420 --> 00:34:45.920 lot about community with a bunch of other people 00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:48.460 it always it comes up a lot about surrounding 00:34:48.460 --> 00:34:49.940 yourself with surrounding yourself with the right 00:34:49.940 --> 00:34:54.780 people and um like and also i think it's also 00:34:54.780 --> 00:34:57.860 like from the other side like try to be that 00:34:57.860 --> 00:35:00.300 person that is the right person right that other 00:35:00.300 --> 00:35:01.420 people want to surround themselves with great 00:35:01.420 --> 00:35:05.800 advice like it's like i don't know think about 00:35:05.800 --> 00:35:07.860 like like would you want to be around you like 00:35:07.860 --> 00:35:10.119 yeah that's a great question to ask yourself 00:35:10.119 --> 00:35:14.780 like it's a it i don't know i guess i like that 00:35:14.780 --> 00:35:17.480 you brought that up i think it's uh some good 00:35:17.480 --> 00:35:20.659 some good like uh final advice to give just like 00:35:21.429 --> 00:35:23.409 think, yeah, think about that. Would you, would 00:35:23.409 --> 00:35:24.949 you want to be around you? Would you be, are 00:35:24.949 --> 00:35:26.849 you encouraging? Are you loving? Are you caring? 00:35:27.030 --> 00:35:30.570 Do you, um, do you pray, do you pray for others? 00:35:30.670 --> 00:35:35.969 Do you like, do you like, um, do you, I don't 00:35:35.969 --> 00:35:40.170 know, do you do those things? And if, or if you 00:35:40.170 --> 00:35:44.449 don't like me, you can't think we shrug, but 00:35:44.449 --> 00:35:47.750 sorry about that. But, uh, if you don't like, 00:35:48.880 --> 00:35:50.860 Think about how you could start. Think about 00:35:50.860 --> 00:35:53.260 a friend that you could reach out to. We talked 00:35:53.260 --> 00:35:56.300 about before and a while ago, Brandon mentioned 00:35:56.300 --> 00:35:59.420 about speaking the gold out in people. Speaking 00:35:59.420 --> 00:36:03.300 about what you see in them, just giving them 00:36:03.300 --> 00:36:05.880 encouragement. We've already mentioned Meg a 00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:07.820 couple times about how much she does that for 00:36:07.820 --> 00:36:14.719 us. Just think on that and we're going to do 00:36:14.719 --> 00:36:19.280 some final questions. When it comes to personal 00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:22.980 growth, development, the things that like really 00:36:22.980 --> 00:36:26.000 grow you, what kind of resources would you recommend 00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:28.239 or do you typically recommend to people? Yeah. 00:36:30.219 --> 00:36:34.400 The Bible. I mean, we laugh, but like for real, 00:36:34.420 --> 00:36:36.699 you get into the word. I mean, that gives you 00:36:36.699 --> 00:36:38.780 a lot of tools to figure out who you are as a 00:36:38.780 --> 00:36:40.460 person and kind of lays out the structure of 00:36:40.460 --> 00:36:42.139 like how life should be. I think that's a great 00:36:42.139 --> 00:36:43.719 place to start. I've definitely noticed my life's 00:36:43.719 --> 00:36:45.519 been a lot better since I've been consistently 00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:50.239 reading. That's a good start for anybody. Non 00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:53.639 -religious based, super polarizing figure, David 00:36:53.639 --> 00:36:56.030 Goggins. Are you familiar? I've heard of them. 00:36:56.070 --> 00:36:59.730 If you can deal with a little bit of graphic 00:36:59.730 --> 00:37:03.510 language, great motivator. His first book is 00:37:03.510 --> 00:37:05.769 called Can't Hurt Me. I read that whenever it 00:37:05.769 --> 00:37:08.269 came out in 2020. That book was almost life -changing 00:37:08.269 --> 00:37:11.130 for me. Really just taking personal accountability. 00:37:12.880 --> 00:37:15.739 kind of like getting out of the, the pity party 00:37:15.739 --> 00:37:17.380 of maybe something that like you're going through 00:37:17.380 --> 00:37:19.179 and just really focusing on like, okay, like 00:37:19.179 --> 00:37:20.579 I'm here now, like how can I make this better? 00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:23.000 How can I better myself? Yeah. Super motivating 00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:25.880 book. So if you, if you can get, if you can get 00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:28.300 through a little rough around the edges, you 00:37:28.300 --> 00:37:31.639 know, language and things like that, he's, he's 00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:34.039 a great motivator. We were talking earlier about 00:37:34.039 --> 00:37:35.940 Huberman, Andrew Huberman. He has a, he has a 00:37:35.940 --> 00:37:38.840 great podcast called Huberman lab. Really cool. 00:37:39.340 --> 00:37:42.579 Just, uh, talking about health and, and science 00:37:42.579 --> 00:37:44.039 -based stuff like that. I listened to a lot of 00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:47.360 Huberman. Yeah. Um, and there's just a lot of 00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:49.300 like off the wall stuff I listened to, or I recommend 00:37:49.300 --> 00:37:53.820 to people, but Cam Haynes, uh, he's, he's a bow 00:37:53.820 --> 00:37:57.039 hunter, uh, up in Oregon, but he does a lot of 00:37:57.039 --> 00:37:59.820 endurance sport and stuff like that. So he kind 00:37:59.820 --> 00:38:01.480 of meshes those two things together and then 00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:02.920 gets a little bit in the faith and things like 00:38:02.920 --> 00:38:04.369 that. But he has a lot of good. guests on his 00:38:04.369 --> 00:38:06.010 podcast from a lot of different backgrounds and 00:38:06.010 --> 00:38:08.130 they, they talk about life journeys and successes 00:38:08.130 --> 00:38:10.190 and failures. So I like listening to his keep 00:38:10.190 --> 00:38:12.750 hammering podcast. Yeah. Um, no, that one. Yeah. 00:38:12.809 --> 00:38:15.070 It's a good one. Yeah. Yeah. I, I, I like a lot 00:38:15.070 --> 00:38:17.530 of endurance stuff. So those are all my recommendations, 00:38:17.550 --> 00:38:19.730 but, but really just like we talked about earlier, 00:38:19.809 --> 00:38:22.030 wrap this all up again, tie it together. It's 00:38:22.030 --> 00:38:24.630 like, you might not be interested in cycling 00:38:24.630 --> 00:38:26.329 or running or some of the stuff I'm talking about, 00:38:26.429 --> 00:38:29.420 but. the endurance aspect of it translates to 00:38:29.420 --> 00:38:31.840 so many other parts of your life yeah so you 00:38:31.840 --> 00:38:33.659 may listen to something that i'm recommending 00:38:33.659 --> 00:38:36.059 and be like oh well yeah i can apply that to 00:38:36.059 --> 00:38:38.019 this part of my life like oh i can see myself 00:38:38.019 --> 00:38:39.619 through this difficult time i'm going through 00:38:39.619 --> 00:38:43.550 by having this sort of endurance um So I think 00:38:43.550 --> 00:38:45.929 I think it all connects. And I think people might 00:38:45.929 --> 00:38:47.769 be more interested in things than they think 00:38:47.769 --> 00:38:49.349 they would be. Right. So that's why I'm always 00:38:49.349 --> 00:38:50.550 like talking to people about like, oh, you should 00:38:50.550 --> 00:38:51.730 get into running. You should get into cycling. 00:38:51.849 --> 00:38:53.889 You like riding your bike. Let's let's get you 00:38:53.889 --> 00:38:56.130 into cycling a little bit more because there's 00:38:56.130 --> 00:38:58.190 a lot that you can take from from sport, I think, 00:38:58.210 --> 00:38:59.849 especially endurance sport that you can apply 00:38:59.849 --> 00:39:01.949 to the rest of your life. So that's why that's 00:39:01.949 --> 00:39:03.349 why I like to talk about that stuff a lot. No, 00:39:03.469 --> 00:39:08.190 that's fair. No, that's great. So then don't 00:39:08.190 --> 00:39:09.409 know how much you have listened to the podcast 00:39:09.409 --> 00:39:14.099 before. I've listened a bit. OK. So knowing the 00:39:14.099 --> 00:39:15.900 guests that we've had on and now that we've been 00:39:15.900 --> 00:39:19.460 on, who do you think would be a good guest to 00:39:19.460 --> 00:39:20.800 be on the podcast? Have you had Ian on here? 00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:22.860 I haven't had Ian. Okay, that'd be a great start, 00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:25.119 I think. I would love to hear from Ian. I would 00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:30.039 love to hear, I mean, what a smart guy and just 00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:33.400 how much he knows about production and musicality, 00:39:33.440 --> 00:39:36.619 too. He drums, does production at church, runs 00:39:36.619 --> 00:39:39.940 the production team. I would like to hear just 00:39:39.940 --> 00:39:43.380 his story. I'd like to hear maybe some stuff 00:39:43.380 --> 00:39:46.679 faith -wise from Ian and just how he kind of 00:39:46.679 --> 00:39:49.639 applies what he does just in his day -to -day 00:39:49.639 --> 00:39:52.880 life to something greater than just doing the 00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:54.980 sound or drumming. I think he would have a good 00:39:54.980 --> 00:39:57.980 story to tell. And Cole Zimmerman, too. Okay. 00:39:58.239 --> 00:40:01.940 Yeah. That guy is an absolute wizard with the 00:40:01.940 --> 00:40:05.519 camera and just an overall amazing person. I 00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:07.519 got to know Cole really well over the bike trip. 00:40:07.820 --> 00:40:09.800 that rob and i took because he came out and did 00:40:09.800 --> 00:40:11.699 you know video and some some stuff for the church 00:40:11.699 --> 00:40:14.699 uh but we became really really good friends and 00:40:14.699 --> 00:40:17.880 what what just a solid individual really really 00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:21.340 funny guy yeah i mean the the level of care he 00:40:21.340 --> 00:40:24.219 had for us uh both mentally and physically and 00:40:24.219 --> 00:40:25.760 helping us out through that trip it really opened 00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:27.260 up my eyes to just a different side of him that 00:40:27.260 --> 00:40:28.960 i didn't know about you know he's amazing with 00:40:28.960 --> 00:40:30.340 the camera but he's also a really good person 00:40:30.340 --> 00:40:32.659 so i would say ian and cool would be two two 00:40:32.659 --> 00:40:34.960 good guys to chat with and just get their perspective 00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:38.860 on things all right great Well, Ian, you heard 00:40:38.860 --> 00:40:42.179 it here. For those who don't know, he edits the 00:40:42.179 --> 00:40:44.559 audio. So Ian, you can leave that in. Shout out, 00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:46.739 Ian. Get on the podcast as soon as you can. Let's 00:40:46.739 --> 00:40:49.460 go. All right, guys. Thank you for listening 00:40:49.460 --> 00:40:52.739 to this episode of The Pursuit of Calling. I 00:40:52.739 --> 00:40:56.239 almost said the wrong name. And if you haven't 00:40:56.239 --> 00:40:57.860 already, go ahead and share it out on all your 00:40:57.860 --> 00:40:59.820 social medias. Give us a five -star review on 00:40:59.820 --> 00:41:03.380 Apple Podcasts or Spotify and leave a comment 00:41:03.380 --> 00:41:08.480 or a review. All right. See you next time. Thank 00:41:08.480 --> 00:41:08.719 you.