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the episode. Hey, so I've been pretty busy. So
this week I decided to give you a little bit
of a taste of an episode, not taste, but the
full episode of some of a conversation I had
with Lee Hanyo back in July of 2024, where we
talked all about endurance. We talked about what
his, why his loving of endurance and helping
and pushing other people to endure well. So guys.
I think in this season of my life, while I'm
transitioning from full -time employment to full
-time entrepreneurship, it's a great thing to
think about, a great thing to remind myself of.
And I really wanted to remind you guys that endurance
is one of the most important things that we have
in the arsenal of, one, being a Christian and
living with circumstances that are outside of
our control as we pursue the calling that God
has on our lives. So if you... Want to learn
how to endure more? Keep on listening. And guys,
I'll be back with a live episode next week. All
right. See ya. All right, guys. Hey, how's it
going? So I'm here with Lee. It's Hanyo. Hanyo.
Hanyo. Yeah. Mike Wallace butchers it all the
time. And he thinks he's right. He looks at me
and I go like this. I go, nope, that's not right.
Did he say Hanyo? He says Hanyo. He said Hanoi
before like Vietnam or whatever, right? Capital
or something like that. No, it's Hanyo. Hanyo.
Okay. Okay. It makes me think. It's like Han.
I don't know. But anyway, so we were just catching
up for a little bit before the episode, before
the recording. But for those who don't know Lee,
no, who is Lee Hanyo? Lee Hanyo. Lee Hanyo. Yeah.
So I always like to start this off with I'm a
child of God. I think that's first and foremost.
I am a husband. I have a beautiful wife, Megan.
Just in general, I'm like an adventurer. I like
to explore. I like to learn new things, like
to see new places. Very important part of my
life, I think, is just travel and experience.
And I love fly fishing. I love cycling. I love
running, backpacking, pretty much any kind of
outdoor sport or activity you could think of.
I've dabbled in it, I'm sure. But those are kind
of like my core passions. Have you ever gone
spelunking? spelunking no so that kind of freaks
me out a little bit actually they can't like
uh we have we have a cabin up north my my uh
wife's family has a cabin up there and there's
some cave systems up there and i've i've been
in a little bit and that's i don't know i feel
like i have probably have a little bit like a
claustrophobia okay so that kind of freaks me
out a little bit as well as like underwater stuff
um i love swimming i'm a great swimmer but i
don't think i could be like a like a scuba diver
or like go in like cave systems i just i don't
know it freaks me out yeah my uncle he would
take us um he would take us like caving and bike
he would take us bike riding but the one thing
we would do that like was my favorite thing was
like caving okay and there was this cave called
bear cave and we would uh there's no bears in
it but the uh the it was i tell people about
it and they like there's this one point where
you have to like army crawl for like i saw like
100 feet and like am i always i'm crawling through
i'm like i get like that you get the thought
of like man this could just collapse right now
yes exactly that's terrifying but i don't think
about it till i'm there okay yeah i get in there
i move around like you step like you um step
on like you get like i can't explain like there's
like like i can't i can't explain it but like
without uh video the show people but like uh
what i mean but like the uh I don't know. It
was so much fun. There's barely any water. There's
small little streams at certain points. He also
scuba dived. He's a certified scuba guy. He loves
underwater caves and stuff. Cool guy. I almost
messed up my notes. I think I did mess up my
notes. It's okay. you know, this podcast is called
the pursuit of calling recently, uh, changed.
And I asked you, and I asked you one of the questions
I sent, like, like, what is your calling? And
I let you interpret that however you want to
interpret that. Um, the kind of, we were talking
about how, what about your work as a project
manager and like what you did before that and
then what you do with the church. So like, how
would you define your calling? Yeah, I think
that's a great question. I think I probably haven't
realized it until lately, maybe the past handful
of years. But I think it's definitely helping
people, whether that's realizing potential or
helping them through a tough situation. I feel
like a lot of my life, my adult life at least,
I've spent figuring myself out, where now I think
I have a pretty good understanding of who I am.
and what I'm good at where now I can sort of
pass a little bit of that knowledge and wisdom
on to other people. I've lived a really long
life for only being 33 years old. I've just had
a lot of really interesting and odd and great
and terrible experiences. So I feel like I have
a lot of experience with different situations
and different things and I'm very much a self
-starter. So helping other people get started
with something or helping them realize a passion
or unlocking their potential. seems like a lot
of fun to me. Um, and I, I feel like as of recently,
things are just more about people instead of
myself. So connecting with people, serving, helping,
um, helping build things is definitely, I think
my, my calling, or at least where I'm being drawn
to this current moment. And like you mentioned
about death now and, and one of your texts that
we were talking, um, that you like, that you
say like you love um believing in people and
helping them get started on a journey so like
how do you do that practically like what do you
like what do you mean by that yeah um i think
a lot of people see the stuff that i do whether
it's like a cycling thing or or backpacking or
running or maybe photography or something like
that and they're always like wow that's so cool
like i wish i could do something like that i
hear that so much i wish i wish i could do that
not just the things that i do but just things
in general right we're just chatting conversation
oh that'd be so cool to do that i'm like Let's
do it. Why can't you do it? Why can't we do that?
Brandon's a really good example. We talked about
this on his podcast. We're going to talk about
it a little bit more next time I get with him.
A handful of years ago, he was like, I want to
be more outdoorsy. I'm like, cool, let's go do
it. He's like, what are we going to do? I'm like,
I'm just going to throw you into the fire. Let's
just go backpacking. Let's do that. Let's go
on a backpacking trip. Let's strap a bunch of
gear to kayaks and go down the river for a couple
days and do that. He was like, dude, my dream
is to go to the Grand Canyon and see it. I'm
like, okay, we're going to go. Five years from
now, we're going to do a five -year plan. But
instead of seeing it, we're going to experience
it. So let's go rim to rim. Let's start on one
side and go through it, see the canyon by being
inside of it, and then summit on the other side.
So we're actually going to do that this September.
But that's something practical. If I know something
about what you're interested in or what you want
to do, then... I have a really good frame of
reference to pull from and to help you out with
that. And if it's something that I don't know
anything about, I love to learn. So I'll learn
about it with you and I'll take that journey
with you. You know, like a lot of my friends
are like, I want to get into this or that. And
I'm like, I don't know anything about it, but
let's do it. It'll be, it'll be fun for me too.
You know, it's like as like another arrow to
the quiver of things that you're knowledgeable
about or you're good at. And then you could pass
that information on to other people and help
them out. Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome. I think
that's really cool. Like, I mean, that's a special
quality to have, to not just want to learn how
to, not to love to learn. I love learning. I
love helping people. But the way you're doing
it is in a more physical sense, I guess, with
the hiking and stuff like that. In that sense,
I'm sure there's other ways that you can do it,
too. How did you find out that that was a passion
of yours? like helping people with it, get something
you started doing is just like popped up in your
head and that you're like, why can't you do that?
Or like, what, is there any backstory to that?
I wouldn't say there was like one specific moment,
like when there's aha moments where it was like,
Oh, this is what I want to do. I think it's more
or less that I just grew up doing a lot of, just
a lot of things. And as I, you know, made more
friends or, um, even just thinking about, um,
my, my two brother -in -laws, like, They were
into fishing and backpacking and stuff like that,
but then we started going on these adventures
and started to do bigger things and kind of just
helping them out with some stuff, and they helped
me out with understanding different things. I
think just over time, it just struck me as this
would be really cool to help people with experiences
or help people just kind of unlock things in
them that they might not think that they can
do or they don't believe in themselves. I think
everybody has a little bit more. inside of them
than they think so yeah yeah definitely not like
one specific experience or something like that
but yeah but it's it's really cool doing stuff
with people i have a friend right now he wants
to ride go on like a if you're into cycling it's
called a century ride 100 miles a century okay
so that's like a big thing like for for cycling
like it's like a that's definitely like a good
accomplishment if you're into riding bikes um
so he was like dude i want to I want to do that.
I'm like, all right, let's do it. Like I'll tell
you exactly how to train. We're going to go ride
that. So he's been working on that this year
and hopefully we're going to knock out a hundred
mile ride. I can do that with him and see him
through the finish line. So it gives me, it gives
me a lot of satisfaction, you know, not, not
selfishly, but just you're, you're completing
something or a goal of yours and I can walk alongside
you with that. So it's, it's fun to help people.
And it's also, you know, it gives you satisfaction
to help someone complete that goal. So it's like
a two for one special. Yeah. Yeah. The reason
I was asking about like the backstory piece is
because I like, I like to think, I like to, part
of me likes to dissect stories and like to see
like, like the story behind the person, the story
behind, and like, and you answered it and you
answered that question. Well, I, I'm wondering
like for maybe for others that are listening,
we can do two parts for others that are listening
that maybe are in that spot where they're like,
maybe there isn't something they want to do something.
They don't think they may have an imposter syndrome
and they think, or they, it's maybe there's something
else holding them back. And maybe those are answers
that things that you've heard before. Um, what,
and we've kind of talked about some advice, but
if like, without like, if they don't know you
directly, like what are some like practical things
a person can do for themselves? Yeah. I think,
um, everybody's, Everybody has a little bit of
fear in them and it's, it's, it's hard to start
some things. Right. I talk about this a lot too,
is like the fear of failure where a lot of times
people don't start something because they're
just scared that like, they're not going to be
able to finish it or complete it. Right. But
what I always say is that failure for me is not
starting something. That is the failure because
you're doing a big disservice to yourself on
something that you could be great at, but you
might not be good at it. And if you're not good
at it or if you don't get any kind of personal
satisfaction or gain from it, dropping that isn't
like failing. It's just like, hey, this wasn't
for me. But at least you started it. At least
you tried and challenged yourself. So that's
everybody's barrier to entry, I think, is it
starts with fear. So my practical advice for
that is as easy as it is to say. like be brave
and just step out and just do it. Like I'm, I'm
not, or I wasn't, I've changed a lot, but I wasn't
really like a big people person growing up and
I don't do well with big crowds or like putting
myself out there to talk to people or meet people.
But something I've been doing more the past couple
of years is like just saying hi to people, talking
to people more. And it's, you know, that's, that's
something that was hard for me, but I had to
just start doing it. And after a while it just
becomes second nature. Yeah. Yeah. So I think,
yeah, being brave and just getting started is
the best thing you can do. So just don't think
too much about it. I mean, if you're getting
into something very specific or technical, like
it's probably a good thing to know kind of what
you're getting yourself into, right? Like you
don't want to just be like, I want to go base
jumping and then just start jumping off a building.
Like you probably don't want to take a few more
easier steps between now and then. Right. But
other things like running or like you code, right?
I mean, just things like that. If you want to
get into it, like just do a little bit of research,
but don't let that paralyze you. Just try to
learn a little bit of it and then just get started.
You'll learn along the way. And whatever happens,
happens after that. But at least you could say
you tried. Yeah. and that's really good advice
to say that yeah failure is not starting it's
the failure to start um the i i actually i think
i talked about that like literally like two episodes
ago something like that it was like there is
a lot of there there is a lot of like a lot a
lot of think a lot of people that say like i
i think you were saying this earlier maybe before
we were we were talking before, before we were
recording the, that a lot of people, um, I remember
whenever you were like, whenever you were talking
about Brandon and like, like you were talking
about breaking into steps, the, I think when
you start, when I think people don't start a
lot of time because they, they see the end vision,
they see where they want to, they see where they
want to be. And they're like, man, I can never
make it there. Sure. And then the reason they
don't start is because they never think they
don't really necessarily think about the easy
steps that they, the easy thing that they can
do to, to get to that point. Maybe the barrier
to entry isn't really that big. Yeah, it might
not be. And it's just the barrier to entry or
even just barrier to start. Like with coding,
the barrier to start is very low because all
you have to do is go to YouTube and look up how
to code and you're good to go. Access to some
kind of device, right, to code on. But yeah,
there's nothing too crazy you got to get into.
You don't have to buy 20 grand worth of equipment,
right? Right. You want to get into running, you
got two legs. Right. Get running, you know, you
don't have to. Yeah, it's nice to have a good
pair of running shoes and and to have, you know,
nice running gear and equipment or whatever.
But it's like you can go out and do it like cycling.
Same thing. You don't need a ten thousand dollar
carbon fiber bike to do it. You got a bike. Start
riding your bike. You can upgrade it later, but
just get started. I think the one thing you mentioned
in your another one thing you mentioned in one
of your texts that you say you love to endure.
Yeah. I Googled the word endure just to see what
it would say. And the Cambridge dictionary. And
the first thing that comes up is to suffer for
something difficult, unpleasant or painful. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. So like, what do
you mean? Like you love to endure, like go into
that. Yeah. It's, it's interesting. I mean, I
can, I can break this down into the kind of two
different things. Yeah. I guess the start. I
like to really physically challenge myself. Whenever
I say that, it's fun to have a good workout and
a hard workout or do something like that whenever
you're gassed, but I like to be on the brink
of collapse. I don't know why. It's definitely
probably masochistic to a point, but it's something
that weirdly gives me joy. I love seeing how
far I can push myself, really how far you can
go. I think I mentioned this to you whenever
we were texting back and forth, but I feel like
people have so much potential and they have so
much like inner strength or like inner, like
inner brains and like, and you know, they're
smart, but people don't push themselves enough
to kind of unlock that. It's really cool to see
what you can do whenever you really, when you
really push yourself onto like that brink of,
of. Like, am I going to make it out of here?
You know, I'm not saying like death, but it's
really interesting whenever you you kind of get
past the point you didn't think you could go.
And that unlocks a whole new thinking in your
mind is like, man, I can really accomplish a
lot more than I ever thought or imagined I could.
So I try to do stuff regularly that makes me
get to that point. And I feel like that it's
really good for just like. building character,
building inner strength, building confidence
and belief in yourself. And then that's stuff
that you can pass on to other people or you can
be like a model for other people to look at.
And, you know, I mean, it's not, I don't do it
for people to be like, Oh, like, look, he's so
like strong or whatever. But I, I do a lot of
this stuff where part of me is really just wanting
to inspire people to, to do it themselves or
to like take a challenge, like take a risk on
something. Yeah. I honestly think like, I know
a little bit ago for those who don't know, um,
Lee and Rob mentioned it, but he was like, he
recorded, he, he was like, it was like the day
before you guys were leaving for the bike ride.
Yeah. And that was like 390 some miles. 392.
Yeah. Yeah. Man, I almost got that. Yeah. Yeah.
You were close actually. That's really good.
Um, like that was like, I was, I was looking
at that and I was like, man, I was like, it made
like, like it made me, I was like, made me want
to figure out how to get back on my bike. Yeah.
Cause like, I love that. I have my, Like I've
been talking, you know, Chaz, um, Chaz Dubois.
And he, uh, I love his last name. I said Dubois.
But, uh, he, but like, I'm talking, I try, I
talk to him every now and then on Sundays and
stuff about like, what can we do to like get
me on a bike? Cause like, I can't grip for too
long, but like, what can I do? And then whenever
I get my leg figured out, then I was like, uh,
um, what can I do to get, what do I have to do
to get out back on the bike? I use, I, I, I was
for whenever it's for like for three months,
like. uh i went back when i saw that i went back
to when i was furloughed for three months like
during covid and i like i went for a bike ride
like every day i went to the same trail but like
i would go like i would go like every single
day and like pop in the podcast or music and
it was great yeah and like i like that that was
a big part of my life that i miss i'm like man
it's like man that i can't wait i'm gonna figure
it out yeah like i'll help you yeah we'll figure
something out dude i appreciate that like i like
i want to get back on my bike like that's like
That's a goal of mine. Let's do it. Um, the,
man, I really like, I like the, whenever I looked
up the, like, like endurance has to suffer. Like
the first thing I read, I was like, man, I was
like, I was like, I was like that. That's like
the harshest, like thing that you, I was like,
but like, I didn't think that was going to come
up to you. Like when I came to indoor, but it
makes sense. Cause like, like you're, like you're,
really stripping a lot of stuff away like you're
you have to endure the pain of like a lot of
it is like you have to push through the mental
barrier and that's painful yeah and then yeah
like if it's a physical thing it's pushing your
body to like you know for your muscles to like
tear apart and then for that that's a bit for
your muscles to build up and it's like i like
it though it says to suffer something difficult
difficult and painful. And like, I like that
we're in, but like we're taking it in the context
of like for a greater purpose. And it's not like,
um, like cause enduring can be enduring something
truly awful, but like the endurance that we're
talking about, like you talk about, you know,
people talk about their endurance of like how
long can they run and stuff like that. And like,
I never really thought about it like that. I
never thought about like, Oh, how long can they
suffer for? Yeah. That's what it is. Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, I've been, I've been on, I did 150 mile
ride. One time I rode from, uh, Cumberland, Maryland
back to Pittsburgh on the gap trail. Uh, that's
the great Allegheny passage. It shortened up
the gap, but that was, that was kind of like
my first like real test of myself that I passed.
I felt, I actually failed a lot and like, I shouldn't
even say that because I just told you failure
wasn't starting, but I mean, okay, let's put
it this way. I had some not so great experiences
before that with cycling. Um, and that, that
ride, that 150 mile ride was kind of like my
last hurrah of, can I, can I really do this,
you know, and, and, and do it well. Um, and I
had, I had a great day on the bike. It hurt.
Um, I went through like three hours of like lightning
and rain and mud and it was miserable and I loved
every second of it. Um, and that, that really
showed me a lot. That was back in 2020 about
how I can push myself and circling back to the,
the bike trip that you had mentioned. Um, I,
I like to do one of those every year. So it's,
I was trying to figure out a way that I could
tie something into something I'm good at. So.
I'm pretty good at cycling. There's a lot of
guys out there that are way better than me that
are probably riding on these streets where you
live at every day. But I'm decent. I'm probably
in a top percentile of people that actually get
out and ride. But I wanted to marry that with
something. And I felt the need to serve or to
give. So every year I pick a different charity
or cause. I ride doing these long rides and I
raise money for that. So that's kind of how we
got into that. And that's how... I partnered
up with the amplify and we did the fundraiser
for the survival center with Rob. Yeah. Yeah.
So that's kind of tying that all back in together.
And let me tell you that, that, that cycling
trip that we took, I don't know if you saw the
videos or whatever I had, I had a rough time.
Yeah. I suffered on that trip, you know? And
I was battling a lot of, a lot of disappointment
and pride on that because it's been a long time
since I've not like finished. Whenever it comes
to doing something like this. Right. Um, and
I had two days where I had, I had to pull the
plug short and I learned on this trip that it
was smart for me to do what I did. And it also
isn't embarrassing because it wasn't a failure.
Rob, Rob, who he was amazing on this trip. So
proud of him. He was able to keep finishing off
those days. I couldn't say he kept us going.
Yeah. That kept it legit for, The days were finished
to completion. But yeah, I just, Meg Croyle,
she sent me a message and she was like, hey,
maybe this is like God telling you that you can
still attempt to do something like things that
you enjoy while also taking care of yourself
and showing other people that you can take care
of yourself. while like still suffering through
something. Actually, do you mind if I pull up
the message she sent me? I just want to, I want
to read it because I'm not, I'm not worrying
that correctly. And I really want to make sure
I do it justice because she sent me such a really
nice message. Um, and it meant a lot. So let
me, let me pull this up here real quick. And
whenever I read that, it made a lot of sense
to me and it made me think about the bad time
I was having and put it in a different perspective.
Yeah. So she said, she said, um, God is reminding
you that you have no idea the power he's displaying
through you when you feel weak. Maybe there is
someone watching who desperately needs to know
that you can stumble and keep going, that you
can pursue serving others and take care of your
health at the same time. So even though I was
having a really, really hard time, you know,
I was stumbling through something. It was, hey,
I'm still out here. I'm still doing it. And I'm
doing it smart, taking care of myself. And we
made it through in the end. We completed the
mission. Yeah. So I think. a lot of times you
know having endurance is not only suffering through
something but it's also just taking the steps
necessary maybe taking steps back yeah doing
what you need to do to finish something i don't
know if that makes sense or not but that's an
interesting way to look at it too i think yeah
like when you say taking steps back uh you you
mean like um like for like for me in that specific
instance was like pulling out one of the days
prioritizing my health so that for the die on
the first day we, it was, it was really rough
out there. It was like 106, 107 degrees out there
on the street. And I, I was probably very close
to, to heat stroke. I was getting dizzy on the
bike and Rob had to hold me up at points. And
it was, I was in bad shape. So taking a step
back and being like, I shouldn't be doing this
right now, even though that's all I want to do.
You know, I looked at it that time. I was like,
this is embarrassing. I'm the, I'm the guy. Yeah.
And all of a sudden I'm out here on the first
day and I'm like, I'm weak. You know? Yeah. So
it was, it was hard for me to come to terms with
that, but, but you know, what kind of what, what
Meg said and then just thinking more and even
just praying about it and trying to, trying to
hear God, it was just like, Hey, you can, you
can still do this. Let's just do a little bit
differently. Yeah. You know, and it might, it
might look different. It might take longer, but
that's what endurance is. You know, it's, it's
just sticking with something and it's like outlasting
something for me. It was outlasting the pain
that I was having. It was outlasting that my
current condition. um, and just balancing back
and tackling it and, and finishing the job off.
Yeah. So I think that goes into a lot of endurance
too. Yeah. And like, this isn't just for the
listener here. Like it's not just for like, we're
not just talking physical endurance. No, these
are just, these are just examples that I have
recently. Right. Yeah. And like, it's cause like
whenever we talk about like your calling, it's
like you're, if you want to pursue something
that you're passionate about, it's not going
to be an easy thing to pursue. And there's going
to be times, when you need to endure and you
like there's going to be times of suffering to
be able to like like to learn new to learn new
things there are going to be points of um i guess
you air quote failure and like times whenever
you're going to learn new things and then have
to deal with like then learn new mental strategies
to deal with um deal with like whatever whatever
whatever um you have to learn whenever you have
to whenever you have to grow through in order
to accomplish what you want to accomplish sure
the mental like um like mental endurance is like
extremely hard to like like you can't perfect
it but you can like get really like like you
can get really you have to be, I think just like
working out, you have to practice, you have to
keep doing it. And if you stop doing it, it's
going to, it's going to be hard to, uh, you have
to get back into it again. And, um, I'm rambling
a little bit, but the, uh, like what I'm saying,
making sense. Yeah, for sure. I, yeah. I mean,
I, I, I definitely like what you said there.
Um, especially with like the mental endurance,
it's, it's just like you said, working out, I
mean, your, your brain and your mindset is a
muscle that you have to work. Um, the more that,
the more that you can, kind of push yourself
places or maybe outlast like a bad situation
that makes you mentally tougher. That gives you
mental endurance. It, it, it sharp, it sharpens
you. And then whenever things pop up in your
life down the road, you're like, you have a frame
of reference. You're like, Oh yeah. I mean like
this is terrible, but I've been, I've been through
this before. Like we'll get through this. Yeah.
Um, it makes, it makes some of the more mundane
day -to -day agitations maybe not feel so big
anymore right so it's like okay like this is
some stuff that doesn't even matter anymore it
kind of rolls off you because you have a little
bit more more mental strength you know to get
through some some situations um yeah definitely
and i think i've talked about this before too
but um you know endurance in your faith yeah
that's something we can yeah that's something
we can definitely talk about it's like sure you
know you you can go to church and you can you
know raise your hand for salvation and then you
can just be like cool you know wipe my hands
clean. Like, you know, I'm saying, but, but it's
like, you know, where's, are you building a relationship
with God? You know, are you, are you understanding
the way that, you know, things were designed
to be? It's like, that's a lifelong process.
Yeah. And you're never gonna, you're never gonna
fully get a hundred percent filled up in that.
It's you're always, you're always learning. You're
always praying. You should always, always be
talking to God. You should always be listening
and serving and doing things in the community.
And that's, that's endurance. You know, I mean,
it's like you, everybody, everybody wants to
thank God for the good times, but it's like what
happens whenever someone passes away or you go
through a really, really terrible situation.
It's like, do you have the endurance to stick
through that to while you're going through that
hard time to keep praising, keep thanking God
for everything that's good in your life, even
though you have something bad going on. So there's,
there's endurance in so many things in life that
you can practically apply like some of the stuff
too. Yeah. Yeah. I think also like some, something
to like, I like the concept, like, uh, stuff
like this, it translates, it translates into
different situations. Like you go into endurance
in one area of your life, it's going to translate
to another area. So like, kind of like what you
were saying, like you mentioned already, like
you, like, I'll use my own personal example of
like me going through my trial of pain and like
through my, um, uh, issues with muscular, muscular
dystonia and things like that. Like it's, I've
realized that like there's the mental endurance
has, has, excessively like kind of exponentially
grown within the last couple of years as my pain
has gotten worse. And it's like, I mentioned
to you before, like, um, like Meg and Meg, like
she mentioned to me, like I guess the other day,
like how, like when she looks at me, she doesn't
see a person and she didn't even think about
how much pain I'm in. She thinks about all the
things I'm doing up with the podcast and with
the, and with my job or how i lead how what i
do with production and like a that's encouragement
and but and like b it's like it's me reminding
myself like because i'm dealing with this pain
everywhere i go and that it's the like i i i
use that as like like i know i've gone through
i i go through like i like to get this podcast
set up and reach out to people to try and like
to get guests on the podcast and before that
would seem very daunting just to reach out to
somebody in text and be like and i feel like
i think it's thinking like man i've done so much
harder already yeah like every day like five
minutes ago like i've done so much harder like
i can do this sure and like some it's not even
a thought anything i don't even think about it
anymore like it's like you like stuff like that
would like affect me so much it doesn't affect
me anymore and like there's still things i'm
like like I can be socially awkward, like a lot
of people and like things like that. And like,
I'm learning to, learning to like, um, grow my
confidence and things like that. And building
in like comments like that, like Meg gave me,
like, I don't see like a person in pain. I see
like this man that God has created and building,
God has built. I'm like, that's like, I couldn't,
like, that couldn't have asked for a better compliment,
better, like, uh, and I, it's like, I, I, I always
feel, I feel like I'm, uh, not rambling, but
like, um, circling something. Yeah. But there's,
um, I don't know, man, the heat's getting to
me. Um, I was talking about like how it, how,
how like the endurance translates, how passion,
like the endurance translates from one situation
to the next. And I think, I think it kind of,
like summarize that already but um i think we're
getting pretty good i think we might wrap up
pretty soon yeah um sorry any uh i have a couple
closing questions but like uh like based off
just a conversation do you have any like last
things to say to like the listeners to like people
that are listening maybe they're maybe they're
struggling or maybe they want to what if like
maybe they're somebody that um would like to
help a friend out yeah and help them endure yeah
for sure i think um i think i touched on this
a little bit earlier but we'll we'll summarize
it again is that i think everybody out there
wants to get started with something or wants
to step out of their comfort zone yeah and whether
they even know that or not i think there's something
that stirs inside everybody to take a chance
or take a risk or go on an adventure yeah um
so my my advice is to to either if you know what
you want to do get started Don't let fear hold
you back. If you don't know what you want to
do, just keep exploring. Dabble in new things.
Try new things out. I think life happens outside
your comfort zone. That's a very popular saying,
but it's such a very true statement. If you're
very much stuck in a routine or in a rut, just
get out of that. If you're inside a lot, just
go take a walk in the park. Something's going
to come to you. Pray a little bit. Something
might come to you. But once that comes to you,
that's, that's, that's a little spark. Let's,
you know, let it catch, let's let it create some
members. Let's let it catch the logs and start
a big fire. I think that's how you need to kind
of tackle things in life. So that's, that's my
advice. And definitely to surround yourself with
people that are encouraging and that, that, that
believe in you. If you have a friend group where.
you guys, you know, it's a lot of like subliminal
dissing and kind of tearing each other down,
haha, joking. But at the same time, it's like
that, that can kind of, that can, that can break
down over time. Right? Like you need to be surrounded
with people that, that believe in you, that encourage
you. And even if they have no idea how to help
you get started or do something, at least they're
there for you to say like, Hey, if you're, if
you're in, like, I'm going to support you. I
don't know how, I don't know how I can, but like,
I will just let me know. So yeah. Surround yourself
with the right people too. It's definitely a
big key in life. I think. Now that's. that's
extremely true we talked about that a lot we've
over like the last this is episode 49 i believe
really 49 yeah you've been hard at it yeah yeah
it's been it's been a ride it's fun cool there
um but whenever uh with sean and i like we've
talked we talked a lot like with other people
and like throughout the time like we talked a
lot about community with a bunch of other people
it always it comes up a lot about surrounding
yourself with surrounding yourself with the right
people and um like and also i think it's also
like from the other side like try to be that
person that is the right person right that other
people want to surround themselves with great
advice like it's like i don't know think about
like like would you want to be around you like
yeah that's a great question to ask yourself
like it's a it i don't know i guess i like that
you brought that up i think it's uh some good
some good like uh final advice to give just like
think, yeah, think about that. Would you, would
you want to be around you? Would you be, are
you encouraging? Are you loving? Are you caring?
Do you, um, do you pray, do you pray for others?
Do you like, do you like, um, do you, I don't
know, do you do those things? And if, or if you
don't like me, you can't think we shrug, but
sorry about that. But, uh, if you don't like,
Think about how you could start. Think about
a friend that you could reach out to. We talked
about before and a while ago, Brandon mentioned
about speaking the gold out in people. Speaking
about what you see in them, just giving them
encouragement. We've already mentioned Meg a
couple times about how much she does that for
us. Just think on that and we're going to do
some final questions. When it comes to personal
growth, development, the things that like really
grow you, what kind of resources would you recommend
or do you typically recommend to people? Yeah.
The Bible. I mean, we laugh, but like for real,
you get into the word. I mean, that gives you
a lot of tools to figure out who you are as a
person and kind of lays out the structure of
like how life should be. I think that's a great
place to start. I've definitely noticed my life's
been a lot better since I've been consistently
reading. That's a good start for anybody. Non
-religious based, super polarizing figure, David
Goggins. Are you familiar? I've heard of them.
If you can deal with a little bit of graphic
language, great motivator. His first book is
called Can't Hurt Me. I read that whenever it
came out in 2020. That book was almost life -changing
for me. Really just taking personal accountability.
kind of like getting out of the, the pity party
of maybe something that like you're going through
and just really focusing on like, okay, like
I'm here now, like how can I make this better?
How can I better myself? Yeah. Super motivating
book. So if you, if you can get, if you can get
through a little rough around the edges, you
know, language and things like that, he's, he's
a great motivator. We were talking earlier about
Huberman, Andrew Huberman. He has a, he has a
great podcast called Huberman lab. Really cool.
Just, uh, talking about health and, and science
-based stuff like that. I listened to a lot of
Huberman. Yeah. Um, and there's just a lot of
like off the wall stuff I listened to, or I recommend
to people, but Cam Haynes, uh, he's, he's a bow
hunter, uh, up in Oregon, but he does a lot of
endurance sport and stuff like that. So he kind
of meshes those two things together and then
gets a little bit in the faith and things like
that. But he has a lot of good. guests on his
podcast from a lot of different backgrounds and
they, they talk about life journeys and successes
and failures. So I like listening to his keep
hammering podcast. Yeah. Um, no, that one. Yeah.
It's a good one. Yeah. Yeah. I, I, I like a lot
of endurance stuff. So those are all my recommendations,
but, but really just like we talked about earlier,
wrap this all up again, tie it together. It's
like, you might not be interested in cycling
or running or some of the stuff I'm talking about,
but. the endurance aspect of it translates to
so many other parts of your life yeah so you
may listen to something that i'm recommending
and be like oh well yeah i can apply that to
this part of my life like oh i can see myself
through this difficult time i'm going through
by having this sort of endurance um So I think
I think it all connects. And I think people might
be more interested in things than they think
they would be. Right. So that's why I'm always
like talking to people about like, oh, you should
get into running. You should get into cycling.
You like riding your bike. Let's let's get you
into cycling a little bit more because there's
a lot that you can take from from sport, I think,
especially endurance sport that you can apply
to the rest of your life. So that's why that's
why I like to talk about that stuff a lot. No,
that's fair. No, that's great. So then don't
know how much you have listened to the podcast
before. I've listened a bit. OK. So knowing the
guests that we've had on and now that we've been
on, who do you think would be a good guest to
be on the podcast? Have you had Ian on here?
I haven't had Ian. Okay, that'd be a great start,
I think. I would love to hear from Ian. I would
love to hear, I mean, what a smart guy and just
how much he knows about production and musicality,
too. He drums, does production at church, runs
the production team. I would like to hear just
his story. I'd like to hear maybe some stuff
faith -wise from Ian and just how he kind of
applies what he does just in his day -to -day
life to something greater than just doing the
sound or drumming. I think he would have a good
story to tell. And Cole Zimmerman, too. Okay.
Yeah. That guy is an absolute wizard with the
camera and just an overall amazing person. I
got to know Cole really well over the bike trip.
that rob and i took because he came out and did
you know video and some some stuff for the church
uh but we became really really good friends and
what what just a solid individual really really
funny guy yeah i mean the the level of care he
had for us uh both mentally and physically and
helping us out through that trip it really opened
up my eyes to just a different side of him that
i didn't know about you know he's amazing with
the camera but he's also a really good person
so i would say ian and cool would be two two
good guys to chat with and just get their perspective
on things all right great Well, Ian, you heard
it here. For those who don't know, he edits the
audio. So Ian, you can leave that in. Shout out,
Ian. Get on the podcast as soon as you can. Let's
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