WEBVTT 00:00:08.359 --> 00:00:11.140 What's going on, Pursuers? Welcome to The Pursuit 00:00:11.140 --> 00:00:14.339 of Calling, the podcast that provides you with 00:00:14.339 --> 00:00:17.260 the strategies and tools needed to successfully 00:00:17.260 --> 00:00:20.820 discover and pursue your calling. Whether it's 00:00:20.820 --> 00:00:23.239 through inspiring stories, thought -provoking 00:00:23.239 --> 00:00:26.160 interviews, or quick, insightful episodes on 00:00:26.160 --> 00:00:28.559 personal growth and development, we've got you 00:00:28.559 --> 00:00:32.359 covered. I'm your host, Thomas Carney. Enjoy 00:00:32.359 --> 00:00:40.380 the episode. Hey, John. Thank you for joining 00:00:40.380 --> 00:00:44.060 me on the Pursuit of Calling podcast. You're 00:00:44.060 --> 00:00:49.000 welcome. I'm grateful to be here. For those who 00:00:49.000 --> 00:00:54.380 don't know who John is, John Doolin, right? John 00:00:54.380 --> 00:00:56.579 has studied John Maxwell's leadership principles 00:00:56.579 --> 00:00:59.039 for years and now carries that forward into his 00:00:59.039 --> 00:01:02.240 own work. He launched an online training platform 00:01:02.240 --> 00:01:06.879 in May at getdoolin .com. offering both free 00:01:06.879 --> 00:01:09.120 and advanced levels of microlearning designed 00:01:09.120 --> 00:01:12.879 to build leadership skills. He even hired some 00:01:12.879 --> 00:01:14.840 programmers to custom build this platform so 00:01:14.840 --> 00:01:17.799 that it's similar to the spirit of LinkedIn Learning, 00:01:17.959 --> 00:01:23.500 if you ever saw that platform. He runs a six 00:01:23.500 --> 00:01:25.859 -figure coaching business and has grown a strong 00:01:25.859 --> 00:01:28.980 following with 60 ,000 -plus followers on LinkedIn, 00:01:29.019 --> 00:01:33.140 reaching over 5 million people. John is also 00:01:33.140 --> 00:01:36.170 a podcaster and a connector. He has three podcasts, 00:01:36.549 --> 00:01:39.650 the Leadership Roundtable, Casual Conversations, 00:01:39.750 --> 00:01:44.349 and then the more niche podcast, The Real Final 00:01:44.349 --> 00:01:50.090 Mile of Big and Bulky Home Delivery. Faith is 00:01:50.090 --> 00:01:52.129 an important part of his journey. He describes 00:01:52.129 --> 00:01:55.969 his initial Maxwell experience as feeling a bit 00:01:55.969 --> 00:01:59.349 like a cult, but he leaned into it and grew from 00:01:59.349 --> 00:02:01.659 it. And he's passionate about leadership, calling, 00:02:01.819 --> 00:02:04.560 and creating meaningful conversations that equip 00:02:04.560 --> 00:02:07.780 and inspire others. So, John, does that all sound 00:02:07.780 --> 00:02:13.319 accurate? Yeah, very accurate. And I do feel 00:02:13.319 --> 00:02:18.939 the urgency to expand a bit about the cult comment. 00:02:19.879 --> 00:02:23.879 And, you know, it's a unique environment. I will 00:02:23.879 --> 00:02:29.379 tell you that from the moment I entered. the 00:02:29.379 --> 00:02:33.439 the Maxwell universe it literally was like I 00:02:33.439 --> 00:02:39.020 had just come home to my family everybody it 00:02:39.020 --> 00:02:42.319 wasn't hi this is who I am and that awkwardness 00:02:42.319 --> 00:02:44.699 of getting to know each other it was like a warm 00:02:44.699 --> 00:02:48.800 embrace so I when I use the word cult I mean 00:02:48.800 --> 00:02:51.180 it in the most positive way although it's not 00:02:51.180 --> 00:02:56.039 always so thank you Yeah, for sure, for sure. 00:02:56.120 --> 00:02:57.840 No, I appreciate you expanding on it. I just 00:02:57.840 --> 00:03:00.680 thought it was a kind of funny comic. I've used 00:03:00.680 --> 00:03:03.080 that comment before about some of the good things 00:03:03.080 --> 00:03:05.719 in my life, so I wanted to throw it in there. 00:03:07.520 --> 00:03:10.000 But yeah, for those who don't know who you are, 00:03:10.039 --> 00:03:13.120 which will be most of my listeners, who is John 00:03:13.120 --> 00:03:18.949 Doolin? Yeah, so the... How I would describe 00:03:18.949 --> 00:03:22.550 myself is the first and foremost is I'm a husband 00:03:22.550 --> 00:03:25.789 to an amazing wife. I'm a father to two amazing 00:03:25.789 --> 00:03:31.210 daughters. And what I hope to establish as my 00:03:31.210 --> 00:03:36.069 reputation is I'm a ripple. And what I would 00:03:36.069 --> 00:03:38.990 like for your listeners to be able to envision 00:03:38.990 --> 00:03:43.870 is if you're driving, don't do this. But if you're 00:03:43.870 --> 00:03:46.169 not driving, close your eyes for a minute and 00:03:46.169 --> 00:03:50.460 imagine. dropping a rock into a body of water 00:03:50.460 --> 00:03:55.240 and watching the ripples. At some point, those 00:03:55.240 --> 00:03:59.039 ripples go outside of your sight control. You 00:03:59.039 --> 00:04:02.039 don't really have any idea where those ripples 00:04:02.039 --> 00:04:04.479 will land or the impact those ripples will make 00:04:04.479 --> 00:04:08.180 on people. And that's what I hope to do. I hope 00:04:08.180 --> 00:04:12.740 to create enough ripples. The value I'm adding 00:04:12.740 --> 00:04:19.870 to others goes beyond my line of sight. Hmm. 00:04:19.870 --> 00:04:23.990 Hmm. I'm already ready to dive into a question 00:04:23.990 --> 00:04:28.230 that I wasn't planning on asking you, but have 00:04:28.230 --> 00:04:31.389 you experienced with the ripples that you've 00:04:31.389 --> 00:04:34.310 maybe been to the past, have you seen the fruit 00:04:34.310 --> 00:04:37.329 of those in the present? Or have you seen the 00:04:37.329 --> 00:04:44.129 fruit? Yeah, so here's how I think I've interpreted 00:04:44.129 --> 00:04:48.009 the question. So for me, the ripples are, people 00:04:48.009 --> 00:04:51.129 will challenge me and say, gosh, why are you 00:04:51.129 --> 00:04:53.689 so active on social media? It must take so much 00:04:53.689 --> 00:04:57.470 of your time. Why do you publish a daily blog? 00:04:58.209 --> 00:05:00.430 And I'll tell you that that's where I've seen 00:05:00.430 --> 00:05:04.990 the fruit of my ripples. I will hear from people 00:05:04.990 --> 00:05:09.689 who say, they'll send me a private note in either 00:05:09.689 --> 00:05:14.110 an email or on social media to say, I can't. 00:05:14.649 --> 00:05:18.290 follow you i can't like your content because 00:05:18.290 --> 00:05:25.410 my boss watches you and if if if i follow you 00:05:25.410 --> 00:05:28.389 you say things that make my boss uncomfortable 00:05:28.389 --> 00:05:31.790 and when i challenge that you know what it turns 00:05:31.790 --> 00:05:34.199 out is they're a weak leader They're leading 00:05:34.199 --> 00:05:36.480 through fear. They're leading through intimidation. 00:05:37.339 --> 00:05:39.800 And their people follow me because they want 00:05:39.800 --> 00:05:42.480 a better life. They want a better work -life 00:05:42.480 --> 00:05:46.439 balance. They want a better job. And so I'll 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:50.180 get these notes from people who say, I needed 00:05:50.180 --> 00:05:53.120 to read what you wrote today. Or I needed to 00:05:53.120 --> 00:05:55.819 hear that message today. Because I'm dealing 00:05:55.819 --> 00:05:59.620 with this challenge. And what you wrote is helping 00:05:59.620 --> 00:06:03.800 me process that challenge. For me, that is the 00:06:03.800 --> 00:06:08.500 fruit of that ripple. It is the fact that, you 00:06:08.500 --> 00:06:12.040 know, just to give you an example, Thomas, if 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:16.060 you follow me and you like something that I wrote 00:06:16.060 --> 00:06:21.360 and somebody who follows you sees that and they 00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:24.740 discover my work, to me, that's a fruit of my 00:06:24.740 --> 00:06:28.040 ripple because, you know, we have this digital 00:06:28.040 --> 00:06:32.040 footprint that we don't pay attention to. If 00:06:32.040 --> 00:06:34.680 you go out to LinkedIn or Facebook or whatever 00:06:34.680 --> 00:06:39.500 social media platform you're on and you are following 00:06:39.500 --> 00:06:42.800 somebody, in most cases due to the algorithm, 00:06:43.120 --> 00:06:46.699 that person you follow, you're seeing what they're 00:06:46.699 --> 00:06:48.839 liking. You're seeing what they're engaging with. 00:06:49.339 --> 00:06:52.360 And to me, that's the digital footprint that 00:06:52.360 --> 00:06:54.720 we don't realize is we could be adding value 00:06:54.720 --> 00:06:58.800 to someone that we have no idea they exist simply 00:06:58.800 --> 00:07:02.079 because. I follow Thomas or Thomas follows John. 00:07:02.300 --> 00:07:05.220 So to me, those are the fruits of my ripples. 00:07:07.279 --> 00:07:10.480 That's no, that's an amazing point. Like there's 00:07:10.480 --> 00:07:14.379 that's one thing with social media that I, I 00:07:14.379 --> 00:07:17.600 honestly don't always think of that. You don't 00:07:17.600 --> 00:07:19.579 know who you're impacting whenever you make, 00:07:19.579 --> 00:07:22.040 whenever you make a post, no matter what you're 00:07:22.040 --> 00:07:25.019 posting. So whenever you're putting it, wherever 00:07:25.019 --> 00:07:27.439 I think about what I. Went on a stint for about 00:07:27.439 --> 00:07:30.519 a month, posting, telling, like, I have merch 00:07:30.519 --> 00:07:32.759 on the back of it, like, wearing a hoodie that 00:07:32.759 --> 00:07:38.779 says you were made for more. And the concept 00:07:38.779 --> 00:07:42.100 around that, my listeners know, that it's just 00:07:42.100 --> 00:07:44.740 saying, like, you were created for more than 00:07:44.740 --> 00:07:48.120 the everyday mundane, more than the challenges, 00:07:48.259 --> 00:07:51.709 more than your circumstances. And I was making 00:07:51.709 --> 00:07:53.810 content every day, just a short reel every day, 00:07:53.850 --> 00:07:56.089 saying that and explaining what that means to 00:07:56.089 --> 00:07:59.149 people. And I don't know what fruit came out 00:07:59.149 --> 00:08:01.790 of that. I don't know what seeds were planted 00:08:01.790 --> 00:08:05.470 as a result. But I know there were seeds planted. 00:08:07.089 --> 00:08:09.829 So even if I never see the fruit, like you said, 00:08:09.910 --> 00:08:13.029 even if I never see those ripples that are outside 00:08:13.029 --> 00:08:17.110 even of my peripheral vision, I can at least 00:08:17.110 --> 00:08:19.069 keep the planning that I can at least... Keep 00:08:19.069 --> 00:08:22.629 planting the seeds so that more fruit will come 00:08:22.629 --> 00:08:30.329 out of them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and 00:08:30.329 --> 00:08:34.370 even if you take it even a step back, Thomas, 00:08:34.509 --> 00:08:37.409 it doesn't even have to be about content you're 00:08:37.409 --> 00:08:41.350 posting. If you see something online that you're 00:08:41.350 --> 00:08:43.750 like, wow, that's good. That's got me thinking. 00:08:44.389 --> 00:08:50.090 Give it a like. Give it a share. You know, if 00:08:50.090 --> 00:08:53.629 you if you think about somebody's employment 00:08:53.629 --> 00:08:56.250 situation, like a relationship, sometimes people 00:08:56.250 --> 00:08:59.669 are in bad relationships and they they just need 00:08:59.669 --> 00:09:02.230 a lifeline. Sometimes people are in a bad employment 00:09:02.230 --> 00:09:05.370 situation. They need a lifeline. And what I tell 00:09:05.370 --> 00:09:08.169 people all the time is if I write something that 00:09:08.169 --> 00:09:11.509 resonates with you or maybe you just you think, 00:09:11.629 --> 00:09:13.350 wow, that that's a really good point that someone 00:09:13.350 --> 00:09:16.210 else might need to hear. Like it, share it, comment 00:09:16.210 --> 00:09:19.919 on it, because. Somebody who follows Thomas may 00:09:19.919 --> 00:09:23.460 not be able to follow me because they're afraid. 00:09:23.679 --> 00:09:26.360 Because I'm that guy who's out there saying, 00:09:26.559 --> 00:09:30.580 chase down your forever job. Chase down that 00:09:30.580 --> 00:09:33.100 thing that makes you get up in the morning and 00:09:33.100 --> 00:09:37.559 go to work. I am the guy, the coach, who's out 00:09:37.559 --> 00:09:40.440 there saying the things that make uncomfortable, 00:09:40.679 --> 00:09:43.639 make bad leaders uncomfortable because I'm challenging. 00:09:44.039 --> 00:09:46.720 And I talk to my clients all the time. I say, 00:09:47.149 --> 00:09:50.490 We're going to go down a path where we are going 00:09:50.490 --> 00:09:52.809 to put your employees in a position where they're 00:09:52.809 --> 00:09:56.190 going to brag about you. When they do that, other 00:09:56.190 --> 00:09:59.230 employers are going to come after them. You have 00:09:59.230 --> 00:10:02.710 to get better at doing your job so that your 00:10:02.710 --> 00:10:06.710 people never want to leave. And there are too 00:10:06.710 --> 00:10:09.210 many bosses out there who don't want to do that. 00:10:09.330 --> 00:10:11.889 There are too many bosses out there, and they 00:10:11.889 --> 00:10:14.419 say this to me. No, we're not going to do anything 00:10:14.419 --> 00:10:16.980 on social media because I don't want someone 00:10:16.980 --> 00:10:19.440 to poach my people. I say, well, why don't you 00:10:19.440 --> 00:10:23.399 just be better to your people? Well, I just can't 00:10:23.399 --> 00:10:26.480 do that. I can't afford that. There's all excuses 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:29.139 of why they can't be a better human. Yeah, yeah. 00:10:30.500 --> 00:10:33.019 The reason I laughed is because it sounds so 00:10:33.019 --> 00:10:35.259 simple. It's like, why don't you just be better 00:10:35.259 --> 00:10:38.019 to your people? Why don't you just – because 00:10:38.019 --> 00:10:42.379 even like – Like, we're both Christians, right? 00:10:42.480 --> 00:10:45.960 We believe that Jesus was a servant leader. I 00:10:45.960 --> 00:10:48.000 mean, if he turned the, like John teaches it, 00:10:48.080 --> 00:10:51.559 like he turned the pyramid on his head and put 00:10:51.559 --> 00:10:55.360 himself in the position of serving those that 00:10:55.360 --> 00:11:02.259 he wanted to be an example to. And so it's really 00:11:02.259 --> 00:11:05.940 like, even speaking to the people that like, 00:11:07.000 --> 00:11:09.960 aren't Christians. The type of leader that you 00:11:09.960 --> 00:11:12.120 want even to be under is the one that is willing 00:11:12.120 --> 00:11:14.960 to serve. The one that is willing to serve and 00:11:14.960 --> 00:11:25.240 not the dictator who's cracking the whip. I'm 00:11:25.240 --> 00:11:29.740 kind of curious. I want to maybe go back a second. 00:11:33.259 --> 00:11:36.279 With this podcast, it's called The Pursuit of 00:11:36.279 --> 00:11:41.879 Calling. What got you into where you're at now? 00:11:42.080 --> 00:11:45.419 What would you say your calling is that propelled 00:11:45.419 --> 00:11:49.059 you into this coaching, into being this guy who 00:11:49.059 --> 00:11:53.799 makes bad leaders uncomfortable? So I'll give 00:11:53.799 --> 00:11:57.659 you as Reader's Digest version as I can. Sure. 00:11:58.019 --> 00:12:02.960 So I spent the majority of my... corporate career 00:12:02.960 --> 00:12:07.200 working for a guy who lives in Omaha, who has 00:12:07.200 --> 00:12:10.139 a nickname as the Oracle of Omaha, we'll mention 00:12:10.139 --> 00:12:14.899 him by name. And this gentleman spends in through 00:12:14.899 --> 00:12:18.320 his companies, he spends millions of dollars 00:12:18.320 --> 00:12:22.600 a year developing his people. And I asked one 00:12:22.600 --> 00:12:25.700 day, I said, Hey, you know, why do you spend 00:12:25.700 --> 00:12:29.360 so much money on training and development? And 00:12:29.360 --> 00:12:32.629 the answer was simple was, I'd rather work with 00:12:32.629 --> 00:12:35.809 smart people. And so what if they leave? He said, 00:12:35.850 --> 00:12:38.029 good, let them go off and have a great life. 00:12:38.669 --> 00:12:41.429 And then we'll train the next people that come 00:12:41.429 --> 00:12:44.009 up because I like working with smart people. 00:12:44.590 --> 00:12:47.970 And so I left that organization feeling like 00:12:47.970 --> 00:12:51.610 I had hit a peak of success that I wasn't going 00:12:51.610 --> 00:12:53.690 to be able to replicate in that organization. 00:12:54.269 --> 00:12:55.990 So I said, I'm going to go off and do this again 00:12:55.990 --> 00:12:58.789 somewhere else. I took a job with a smaller company. 00:13:00.519 --> 00:13:05.139 And with the promise, fully vetted, we dated 00:13:05.139 --> 00:13:09.960 for months before I took the role. And we discussed 00:13:09.960 --> 00:13:13.179 the fact that here is the direction that we wanted 00:13:13.179 --> 00:13:15.100 to go. This is what they wanted me to do for 00:13:15.100 --> 00:13:17.480 them. And then I got there and realized that's 00:13:17.480 --> 00:13:19.360 not what they wanted at all. They really just 00:13:19.360 --> 00:13:23.120 wanted adult daycare. They wanted me to show 00:13:23.120 --> 00:13:26.159 up and just be present. But I wasn't really given 00:13:26.159 --> 00:13:29.840 the tools or the opportunity. to make the same 00:13:29.840 --> 00:13:32.500 kind of changes I've made previously. And then 00:13:32.500 --> 00:13:36.399 I very quickly learned that I was now stuck in 00:13:36.399 --> 00:13:40.980 a super toxic environment. I didn't work for 00:13:40.980 --> 00:13:44.500 leaders. I worked for bosses. I worked for people 00:13:44.500 --> 00:13:47.580 who all they wanted was their people to bow down 00:13:47.580 --> 00:13:50.799 and worship them. And that was just so the opposite 00:13:50.799 --> 00:13:54.759 of my leadership style. And I just made a decision. 00:13:54.860 --> 00:13:58.639 I said, I've got to leave this. and get to a 00:13:58.639 --> 00:14:03.080 place where I can help other people to live better 00:14:03.080 --> 00:14:06.019 lives. I got to help people deal with these situations. 00:14:06.600 --> 00:14:10.259 And it was a journey to get there. It took me 00:14:10.259 --> 00:14:14.919 a couple years. I left that organization in 2020, 00:14:15.100 --> 00:14:18.820 at the end of 2020, September -ish of 2020. And 00:14:18.820 --> 00:14:24.580 by the following year, March of 2021, I had started 00:14:24.580 --> 00:14:28.809 my own company. But then it was a long march 00:14:28.809 --> 00:14:32.509 up a hill to build it to a point where it could 00:14:32.509 --> 00:14:34.710 sustain so that I could live out this mission. 00:14:34.929 --> 00:14:38.090 And to answer your question, calling the mission, 00:14:38.309 --> 00:14:42.750 I mentioned the ripple effect earlier and wanting 00:14:42.750 --> 00:14:46.850 to make enough ripples that even I don't realize 00:14:46.850 --> 00:14:52.809 the impact I'm making. But Mark Cole, who is 00:14:52.809 --> 00:14:57.049 one of John's coaches, And the executive vice 00:14:57.049 --> 00:14:59.750 president, or no, sorry, the CEO of the company, 00:14:59.789 --> 00:15:06.590 of Maxwell, he has coined the quote, everyone 00:15:06.590 --> 00:15:11.389 deserves to be led well. And so, you know, you 00:15:11.389 --> 00:15:14.769 told me to be prepared to talk about books. It 00:15:14.769 --> 00:15:17.049 makes a difference to me. So, you know, I've 00:15:17.049 --> 00:15:19.470 got a couple of books here that have made a difference 00:15:19.470 --> 00:15:23.840 in my life. And really my goal. at this point 00:15:23.840 --> 00:15:25.740 is to add as much value to other people as I 00:15:25.740 --> 00:15:29.759 can. And I want people to know that you don't 00:15:29.759 --> 00:15:34.759 have to plug 40, 60, 80 hours a week. You can 00:15:34.759 --> 00:15:38.919 work toward doing something. You get up in the 00:15:38.919 --> 00:15:42.100 morning and you, you know, you're adding value 00:15:42.100 --> 00:15:44.419 that when you go to bed at night, you know, you 00:15:44.419 --> 00:15:48.379 made a difference. That is possible. And I think 00:15:48.379 --> 00:15:52.240 in specifically in America. Too many people who 00:15:52.240 --> 00:15:55.580 feel like they're chained to their job. And, 00:15:55.679 --> 00:16:00.460 you know, there's so many reasons for it, Thomas. 00:16:01.240 --> 00:16:04.460 And that's my goal. My goal as a coach is to 00:16:04.460 --> 00:16:07.919 get inside their head and make them realize you're 00:16:07.919 --> 00:16:10.299 not chained to that job. Whatever reason you 00:16:10.299 --> 00:16:12.899 think you are, whether it's health insurance, 00:16:13.100 --> 00:16:17.240 benefits, whatever. I tell you, Thomas, there's 00:16:17.240 --> 00:16:20.399 no greater benefit than being my own boss. And 00:16:20.399 --> 00:16:25.460 having unlimited PTO. I can't tell you the last 00:16:25.460 --> 00:16:27.639 time I took a day off. And I can't tell you the 00:16:27.639 --> 00:16:29.919 last time I needed a day off. Because I'm doing 00:16:29.919 --> 00:16:34.159 work that absolutely fulfills me. And I said 00:16:34.159 --> 00:16:38.299 to myself years ago, I need to build a lifestyle 00:16:38.299 --> 00:16:43.740 that I don't need a vacation from. I'm not afraid 00:16:43.740 --> 00:16:46.379 to come home because I love my house. I love 00:16:46.379 --> 00:16:48.360 the people in my house. I love the atmosphere 00:16:48.360 --> 00:16:52.240 that I'm in. I don't have to go on a tropical 00:16:52.240 --> 00:16:56.659 vacation to recharge. We go on adventures. So 00:16:56.659 --> 00:16:58.399 when we go somewhere, we go somewhere that we 00:16:58.399 --> 00:17:02.320 haven't been before and we explore that new place. 00:17:03.799 --> 00:17:06.960 Yeah, so sorry. I don't know if I answered your 00:17:06.960 --> 00:17:14.700 question, but I like telling stories. No, you're 00:17:14.700 --> 00:17:18.910 good. I think the way you answered the question, 00:17:18.970 --> 00:17:21.930 the reason I – one, I like having different people 00:17:21.930 --> 00:17:24.130 on because you're going to answer the question 00:17:24.130 --> 00:17:29.609 in different ways. And you answered it – like 00:17:29.609 --> 00:17:31.690 you said, you answered it with that story. You 00:17:31.690 --> 00:17:35.990 said you didn't want to work – you were working 00:17:35.990 --> 00:17:38.490 for a leader. Well, no, you were working for 00:17:38.490 --> 00:17:40.329 a boss and not a leader. And then you wanted 00:17:40.329 --> 00:17:44.309 to be in an environment that – I guess that started 00:17:44.309 --> 00:17:47.680 in March 2021. right when you wanted when you 00:17:47.680 --> 00:17:49.480 decided like i'm actually i'm gonna go out and 00:17:49.480 --> 00:17:51.720 create that environment so that there's and then 00:17:51.720 --> 00:17:53.319 i'm going to be the person that creates a ripple 00:17:53.319 --> 00:17:57.920 effect so more people can work for leaders instead 00:17:57.920 --> 00:18:03.240 of bosses so like not just not just creating 00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:05.400 so like you didn't just go to a different job 00:18:05.400 --> 00:18:06.900 and look for a different leader you decide i'm 00:18:06.900 --> 00:18:08.400 going to create i'm going to start i'm going 00:18:08.400 --> 00:18:11.259 to learn how to and then create the leaders i'm 00:18:11.259 --> 00:18:13.200 gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna help cultivate the 00:18:13.200 --> 00:18:18.009 cultivate growth mindset in these people that 00:18:18.009 --> 00:18:20.769 are responsible for the livelihoods of others. 00:18:22.529 --> 00:18:27.910 And I love what you said. You said you can't 00:18:27.910 --> 00:18:30.769 remember the last time you needed a day off. 00:18:30.970 --> 00:18:34.450 And I think that's not something most people 00:18:34.450 --> 00:18:38.589 think about. I think a lot of people think that 00:18:38.589 --> 00:18:43.480 that's just reality. That like vacations are 00:18:43.480 --> 00:18:45.680 the necessary thing that you need to recharge 00:18:45.680 --> 00:18:49.559 so you can go back to your job and go through 00:18:49.559 --> 00:18:54.599 that cycle over and over again until you retire. 00:18:55.200 --> 00:18:59.119 And I like what John says. I just listened to 00:18:59.119 --> 00:19:02.799 one of his podcasts the other day and – or no, 00:19:02.839 --> 00:19:05.779 I was listening to the 15 Invaluable Laws of 00:19:05.779 --> 00:19:09.400 Growth. That's what I was doing. And he said 00:19:09.400 --> 00:19:13.009 – people ask him when he's going to retire and 00:19:13.009 --> 00:19:15.970 he is, he was, I'm not going to retire. He goes, 00:19:16.049 --> 00:19:18.190 well, I can't, we can't retire from a calling. 00:19:19.549 --> 00:19:23.210 And so that's, so I'm like, that's, that's the 00:19:23.210 --> 00:19:26.049 life I think I want to lead. I want to, I want 00:19:26.049 --> 00:19:28.049 to lead a life where I'm truly living in my calling. 00:19:28.109 --> 00:19:30.089 So I'm like, I don't want, don't want to take 00:19:30.089 --> 00:19:33.549 a vacation day. I don't want to retire. Like 00:19:33.549 --> 00:19:38.140 that, that's the. That's the goal, but I also 00:19:38.140 --> 00:19:41.000 think that's something that more people – if 00:19:41.000 --> 00:19:43.059 we can create the ripple effects and keep creating 00:19:43.059 --> 00:19:44.539 more ripple effects, more and more people will 00:19:44.539 --> 00:19:48.920 have that – will start having that mindset. Yeah, 00:19:49.039 --> 00:19:52.779 I agree. I met a guy one time who worked for 00:19:52.779 --> 00:19:59.920 a very massive corporation and a global organization, 00:20:00.180 --> 00:20:05.950 and the exact day he was going to retire. And 00:20:05.950 --> 00:20:10.650 I said, oh, that's interesting. And the more 00:20:10.650 --> 00:20:14.869 I dug into it, I realized – and it wasn't like 00:20:14.869 --> 00:20:17.309 he knew the exact day because it was three weeks 00:20:17.309 --> 00:20:23.150 away. He was so miserable in his career that 00:20:23.150 --> 00:20:26.130 he's planned financially that he knows exactly 00:20:26.130 --> 00:20:29.329 – if nothing changes financially for him, he 00:20:29.329 --> 00:20:31.569 knows exactly the day he can afford to retire. 00:20:32.480 --> 00:20:34.819 And I just thought to myself, like, what a miserable 00:20:34.819 --> 00:20:38.660 existence that's got to be to date in the future. 00:20:38.680 --> 00:20:42.579 That's all you're looking forward to. Yeah. You 00:20:42.579 --> 00:20:47.160 know, and so I build several of my programs on 00:20:47.160 --> 00:20:50.220 that mindset to say exactly what John says is 00:20:50.220 --> 00:20:54.900 I have no plan to ever retire. Yeah. I absolutely 00:20:54.900 --> 00:21:02.799 plan to die doing what I'm doing. Hmm. That's 00:21:02.799 --> 00:21:05.859 amazing. You mentioned your program. Can you 00:21:05.859 --> 00:21:09.039 dive a little bit deeper into that? Yeah. The 00:21:09.039 --> 00:21:12.019 first thing I'll say is the program is customizable 00:21:12.019 --> 00:21:14.819 by the person, but it's all based around the 00:21:14.819 --> 00:21:17.619 book that I wrote, Leadership Basics. I want 00:21:17.619 --> 00:21:20.079 to tell a little bit of a story about how this 00:21:20.079 --> 00:21:23.519 book came to exist because I spent a few years 00:21:23.519 --> 00:21:26.599 writing a different book that talked a lot more 00:21:26.599 --> 00:21:30.630 about my experiences in leadership. If you've 00:21:30.630 --> 00:21:34.210 never been in a toxic work environment, you don't 00:21:34.210 --> 00:21:36.390 understand what it's like to be stuck in a toxic 00:21:36.390 --> 00:21:39.009 work environment or find yourself in one where 00:21:39.009 --> 00:21:42.349 you literally cringe about going to work, where 00:21:42.349 --> 00:21:44.650 you wake up in the morning looking for reasons 00:21:44.650 --> 00:21:48.349 to not go to work. In my case, as a leader, I 00:21:48.349 --> 00:21:51.569 woke up in the morning and said, how do I protect 00:21:51.569 --> 00:21:56.460 my people from these toxic people? So I get out 00:21:56.460 --> 00:22:00.200 and I'm doing talks. I'm in front of organizations 00:22:00.200 --> 00:22:04.480 now talking to them about their leadership. And 00:22:04.480 --> 00:22:07.700 I mentioned, and I'll be honest, I don't remember 00:22:07.700 --> 00:22:11.599 whose name I dropped first. But I got deer in 00:22:11.599 --> 00:22:14.059 the headlights when I dropped Stephen Covey, 00:22:14.059 --> 00:22:17.539 Dale Carnegie, John Maxwell. The list goes on 00:22:17.539 --> 00:22:21.119 of all the great leadership gurus of our time. 00:22:24.250 --> 00:22:28.589 Here's the funny thing, Thomas. There was a gentleman 00:22:28.589 --> 00:22:30.990 in the room who was a Christian, and he knew 00:22:30.990 --> 00:22:35.190 who John Maxwell was because his church recently 00:22:35.190 --> 00:22:39.490 went through a training on communication, this 00:22:39.490 --> 00:22:42.809 book specifically. They went through a mastermind. 00:22:43.430 --> 00:22:48.359 And so I sat there thinking to myself, wow. They 00:22:48.359 --> 00:22:51.240 don't know who Dale Carnegie is, Stephen Covey. 00:22:52.019 --> 00:22:56.279 These are world famous people on leadership. 00:22:56.720 --> 00:23:00.619 So I literally, no joke, went home that day and 00:23:00.619 --> 00:23:03.359 I started writing this book. And this book is 00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:06.160 super academic. It goes through all the basics 00:23:06.160 --> 00:23:10.480 of leadership, rules, theories, ideas, everybody 00:23:10.480 --> 00:23:14.460 who's ever had anything to do with leadership, 00:23:14.640 --> 00:23:17.500 the disc assessments, all that. It's all here. 00:23:17.940 --> 00:23:22.420 So then what I do is I walk people through different, 00:23:22.480 --> 00:23:25.059 every chapter is written so that you can just 00:23:25.059 --> 00:23:26.940 flip to the chapter and read it. You don't have 00:23:26.940 --> 00:23:30.740 to read the whole book. So when I sit down with 00:23:30.740 --> 00:23:32.579 people and I do the initial assessment to find 00:23:32.579 --> 00:23:34.759 out where are they at in their leadership journey, 00:23:34.940 --> 00:23:37.539 what do they know? What do they not know? For 00:23:37.539 --> 00:23:39.859 some people, we go through the whole thing start 00:23:39.859 --> 00:23:42.339 to finish because they have no leadership knowledge 00:23:42.339 --> 00:23:45.119 whatsoever. Other people who have been exposed 00:23:45.119 --> 00:23:47.559 to different leadership styles will just pick 00:23:47.559 --> 00:23:51.500 and choose which chapters we go over. And so, 00:23:51.500 --> 00:23:58.140 you know, it's the for me, what I do is I have 00:23:58.140 --> 00:24:00.819 to understand who I'm dealing with and where 00:24:00.819 --> 00:24:03.039 they are in their journey. And then we put a 00:24:03.039 --> 00:24:05.960 plan together that's specific to them. And my 00:24:05.960 --> 00:24:09.200 goal through all of this isn't I don't want to 00:24:09.200 --> 00:24:12.720 take a client on. And have that client for 20 00:24:12.720 --> 00:24:16.000 years. I want to have that client for as long 00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:19.259 as I need them so that I can make a disciple. 00:24:19.619 --> 00:24:22.599 And what I want is I want to teach them leadership 00:24:22.599 --> 00:24:26.440 from such a passionate perspective that they 00:24:26.440 --> 00:24:30.380 then take it and they start teaching it. Because 00:24:30.380 --> 00:24:36.460 everyone deserves to be led well. Yeah. Wow. 00:24:36.599 --> 00:24:41.650 Yeah, I like. I like that. My, like what you 00:24:41.650 --> 00:24:43.369 said just there, like, I don't want the client 00:24:43.369 --> 00:24:46.289 to have to have to stick around for so like for 00:24:46.289 --> 00:24:49.289 20 years, I want them to learn it and to learn 00:24:49.289 --> 00:24:51.769 it and learn it, like have it ingrained in themselves. 00:24:51.829 --> 00:24:54.349 So then they can go take, they can take it forward 00:24:54.349 --> 00:24:57.990 and teach others. I think that's, that's fantastic. 00:24:59.069 --> 00:25:03.630 There's, I think it would be, I think it, I've 00:25:03.630 --> 00:25:05.549 had them, I've thought about it before. It's 00:25:05.549 --> 00:25:08.240 like, man, it would be easy. as a coach to be 00:25:08.240 --> 00:25:10.119 like, man, I get discouraged whenever somebody's 00:25:10.119 --> 00:25:11.960 like, man, I actually don't think I, uh, I think 00:25:11.960 --> 00:25:13.859 I'm doing really well. I think I, I don't think 00:25:13.859 --> 00:25:17.319 I know if I, um, I think what I think, like, 00:25:17.400 --> 00:25:18.980 you know, like I've had people like, Hey, I think 00:25:18.980 --> 00:25:20.519 I'm doing well with my, I think I'm doing well. 00:25:20.539 --> 00:25:22.619 I actually don't think I need the coaching anymore. 00:25:22.680 --> 00:25:24.980 You taught me all, you taught me so much. And 00:25:24.980 --> 00:25:28.740 like the part of me, like once I get discouraged, 00:25:28.819 --> 00:25:31.400 like, man, that's what the client's going away. 00:25:31.720 --> 00:25:34.220 The other part is excited. Cause like, Oh, They 00:25:34.220 --> 00:25:36.599 feel like they've grown so much that they now 00:25:36.599 --> 00:25:38.240 can take it forward and keep moving. I'm like, 00:25:38.339 --> 00:25:41.539 oh, well, that's actually a good thing. Yeah, 00:25:41.599 --> 00:25:48.039 it is a good thing. And hopefully, if you've 00:25:48.039 --> 00:25:51.980 done it well, they're talking so well about you 00:25:51.980 --> 00:25:54.140 that that one client could grow into five clients. 00:25:54.960 --> 00:25:58.819 Yeah. Oh yeah, I wrote in my notes. For those 00:25:58.819 --> 00:26:01.819 who are just listening to the audio, when he 00:26:01.819 --> 00:26:03.680 held up a book about communication, it's The 00:26:03.680 --> 00:26:09.220 16 Laws of Communication by John Maxwell. Good 00:26:09.220 --> 00:26:12.440 point, Thomas. I should be better at that because 00:26:12.440 --> 00:26:17.039 I listened to your podcast on just the audio 00:26:17.039 --> 00:26:20.680 version. I didn't watch the video of it. So the 00:26:20.680 --> 00:26:22.720 three books I held up are John Maxwell's The 00:26:22.720 --> 00:26:26.279 360 Leader, The 21 Irrefutable Laws of Leadership, 00:26:27.140 --> 00:26:29.900 The 16 Undeniable Laws of Communication, and 00:26:29.900 --> 00:26:33.200 then my own book, Leadership Basics. Fantastic. 00:26:33.500 --> 00:26:35.299 And we're going to have links to all these that 00:26:35.299 --> 00:26:38.359 he's referencing in the show notes below. So 00:26:38.359 --> 00:26:40.599 whether you're on YouTube, you can look at the 00:26:40.599 --> 00:26:43.660 description. And if you're in whatever major 00:26:43.660 --> 00:26:45.359 podcasting platform you're on, don't be in the 00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:52.059 show notes. Now, John, we also mentioned your 00:26:52.059 --> 00:26:55.220 podcast. We mentioned you have three. How do 00:26:55.220 --> 00:26:58.759 those feed into your – into this purpose, into 00:26:58.759 --> 00:27:05.460 this calling? So I'll start at the – so the casual 00:27:05.460 --> 00:27:08.500 conversations is generally just like this. It's 00:27:08.500 --> 00:27:11.299 one -on -one, and I try to limit that to somebody 00:27:11.299 --> 00:27:13.220 who's doing something to make the world a better 00:27:13.220 --> 00:27:17.160 place. I've made a couple exceptions along the 00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:21.839 way to help promote the mission of somebody if 00:27:21.839 --> 00:27:23.900 they're trying to grow their brand or they're 00:27:23.900 --> 00:27:26.900 trying to just get a message out. But generally, 00:27:27.119 --> 00:27:31.160 it's authors, it's other podcasters, it's faith 00:27:31.160 --> 00:27:34.000 -based folks, anybody who's out there trying 00:27:34.000 --> 00:27:36.119 to make the world a better place. Leadership 00:27:36.119 --> 00:27:41.539 Roundtable, that is generally four to eight people. 00:27:42.200 --> 00:27:44.700 And we pick a topic and we come in and we tear 00:27:44.700 --> 00:27:48.819 it apart. And the goal of that is anybody who's 00:27:48.819 --> 00:27:50.559 going to listen to it is going to walk away with 00:27:50.559 --> 00:27:54.200 something tangible where they can use that to 00:27:54.200 --> 00:27:58.740 do better. And then the one you talked about 00:27:58.740 --> 00:28:03.940 earlier, the niche podcast. So the industry that 00:28:03.940 --> 00:28:11.910 I left a couple of years ago, it was. final mile 00:28:11.910 --> 00:28:15.269 home delivery. And basically, if you think about 00:28:15.269 --> 00:28:18.890 this, if you go and buy a couch, a refrigerator, 00:28:19.009 --> 00:28:21.609 a washer, a dryer, most people don't throw that 00:28:21.609 --> 00:28:22.869 in the back of the car and bring it home with 00:28:22.869 --> 00:28:26.329 them. Most people have it in their house. Here 00:28:26.329 --> 00:28:28.269 in the United States, what a lot of people don't 00:28:28.269 --> 00:28:31.589 realize is unless you're buying that from a very, 00:28:31.609 --> 00:28:37.430 very small store, a local entity, if you go to 00:28:37.430 --> 00:28:40.369 Lowe's, Best Buy, Home Depot, Crate & Barrel, 00:28:40.839 --> 00:28:43.099 frustration, hardware, any of the big, big places 00:28:43.099 --> 00:28:46.859 that's being delivered by a contractor. So that's 00:28:46.859 --> 00:28:49.420 being delivered by somebody who owns their own 00:28:49.420 --> 00:28:51.720 business. They own the truck and the guys that 00:28:51.720 --> 00:28:54.819 are with them are their employees or their subcontractors. 00:28:55.519 --> 00:29:00.200 So there's the way I look, the way I try to explain 00:29:00.200 --> 00:29:03.480 this is if you've got a clogged pipe in your 00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:05.920 house, you call a plumber and you expect that 00:29:05.920 --> 00:29:08.660 plumber to come in with the expertise to fix 00:29:08.660 --> 00:29:11.970 that. plumbing problem so that you don't have 00:29:11.970 --> 00:29:14.309 that problem again and you expect them to have 00:29:14.309 --> 00:29:16.990 licenses you expect them to to know what to do 00:29:16.990 --> 00:29:19.990 and be certified have insurance maybe if you 00:29:19.990 --> 00:29:22.109 have an electrical problem you do the same you 00:29:22.109 --> 00:29:24.670 call an electrician and you expect that electrician 00:29:24.670 --> 00:29:27.450 to show up and be able to fix the problem and 00:29:27.450 --> 00:29:29.170 they're licensed they're insured they're trained 00:29:29.170 --> 00:29:35.390 but what people kind of ignore is you'll buy 00:29:35.390 --> 00:29:38.400 a bed and Two guys will come in your house with 00:29:38.400 --> 00:29:40.299 that bed. They'll put that bed together. And 00:29:40.299 --> 00:29:41.859 when you jump in that bed for the first time 00:29:41.859 --> 00:29:44.539 to go to sleep at night, what do you expect? 00:29:44.619 --> 00:29:47.400 You expect the bed to hold your body weight, 00:29:47.480 --> 00:29:50.480 to withstand the force of you getting in the 00:29:50.480 --> 00:29:53.200 bed, and you don't expect to wake up at 2 o 'clock 00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:54.720 in the morning with the headboard and footboard 00:29:54.720 --> 00:29:57.559 collapsing on you because they didn't know what 00:29:57.559 --> 00:30:01.019 they were doing. As a parent listening to this, 00:30:01.240 --> 00:30:04.920 I'll tell you as a parent, I put the cribs together 00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:08.049 myself. Because I'd spent at that time 20 years 00:30:08.049 --> 00:30:12.089 in the industry and I'd seen enough cribs. No 00:30:12.089 --> 00:30:15.990 way I'm going to do that. But when you buy this 00:30:15.990 --> 00:30:18.269 type of furniture, you expect it to be delivered 00:30:18.269 --> 00:30:20.289 by professionals who know what they're doing. 00:30:20.509 --> 00:30:23.309 Well, Thomas, there is no training platform for 00:30:23.309 --> 00:30:27.289 that. There is now because I built it. But prior, 00:30:27.569 --> 00:30:31.049 there was no training platform. So these folks 00:30:31.049 --> 00:30:33.109 coming in your home knew what they were doing. 00:30:33.579 --> 00:30:39.299 All they had to do is show up. And so this this 00:30:39.299 --> 00:30:41.980 other podcast that I do, I bring in people from 00:30:41.980 --> 00:30:44.640 the industry. I bring in business owners and 00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:47.539 I call it the real final mile life and big and 00:30:47.539 --> 00:30:52.500 bulky home delivery. Because what I want for 00:30:52.500 --> 00:30:56.140 people to do is I want the listener was the guy 00:30:56.140 --> 00:30:58.839 on the truck to hear this. And number one, be 00:30:58.839 --> 00:31:01.740 entertained. So we tell funny stories about crazy 00:31:01.740 --> 00:31:04.089 things that have happened. I want them to be 00:31:04.089 --> 00:31:09.190 taught this free podcast where they can hear 00:31:09.190 --> 00:31:10.750 it and they can walk away with something that 00:31:10.750 --> 00:31:16.069 makes them better in their job. That's probably 00:31:16.069 --> 00:31:18.089 a longer explanation of that podcast than you 00:31:18.089 --> 00:31:21.349 were expecting. No, you're good. I actually – 00:31:21.349 --> 00:31:23.609 I mean personally I found it kind of interesting 00:31:23.609 --> 00:31:27.609 because we only dove so deep into it during the 00:31:27.609 --> 00:31:31.849 pre -interview. So the getting – can I even hear? 00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:35.660 What you're saying later, at the end of your 00:31:35.660 --> 00:31:39.480 explanation there, how that feeds into the rest 00:31:39.480 --> 00:31:43.000 of what we were talking about before. You want 00:31:43.000 --> 00:31:46.400 to make sure that the people leading in this 00:31:46.400 --> 00:31:49.099 industry are going to be able to train the people 00:31:49.099 --> 00:31:58.259 well, right? Yes. So I think that backstory was 00:31:58.259 --> 00:32:00.940 necessary in order to get to the end point and 00:32:00.940 --> 00:32:03.599 be like, well... I wanted to be able to teach 00:32:03.599 --> 00:32:08.839 them, the leaders of this industry, how to deliver 00:32:08.839 --> 00:32:13.799 and serve their clients well so that, like you 00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:18.039 said, a crib doesn't collapse. Right? Yeah. Yep. 00:32:19.980 --> 00:32:26.140 Awesome. Well, John, I really enjoyed this episode. 00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:31.539 I always have the last two final questions before 00:32:31.539 --> 00:32:33.619 we wrap up. And I know you already mentioned 00:32:33.619 --> 00:32:36.119 the resources before, but could you hold those 00:32:36.119 --> 00:32:39.480 up again real quick? Yeah, absolutely. So first, 00:32:39.539 --> 00:32:42.660 I'll do the self -plug of my own book, Leadership 00:32:42.660 --> 00:32:45.779 Basics. But then I'd also like to plug, of course, 00:32:45.859 --> 00:32:50.160 the Maxwell Organization. These are three books 00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:53.579 that I think they should be the basics that anybody 00:32:53.579 --> 00:32:59.049 in leadership. has to read i always tell people 00:32:59.049 --> 00:33:01.849 start off with the 21 year feudal laws leadership 00:33:01.849 --> 00:33:05.809 it's the great entry point um and then from there 00:33:05.809 --> 00:33:10.109 360 leader this is a great book about how to 00:33:10.109 --> 00:33:12.769 lead effectively at all levels up down side to 00:33:12.769 --> 00:33:15.990 side then how to be a better communicator uh 00:33:15.990 --> 00:33:20.230 because that is in my opinion being a good communicator 00:33:20.230 --> 00:33:25.100 is the missing link in business today Fantastic. 00:33:25.100 --> 00:33:29.059 Thank you for that. And again, everyone, you're 00:33:29.059 --> 00:33:30.539 going to have the links for those in the show 00:33:30.539 --> 00:33:34.279 notes. And the final question I have for you, 00:33:34.299 --> 00:33:36.779 John, is who do you know that I should know? 00:33:37.140 --> 00:33:39.859 Who would be a good, maybe good somebody for 00:33:39.859 --> 00:33:42.019 me to get in contact with, somebody that would 00:33:42.019 --> 00:33:45.559 be good for the podcast? What would you say? 00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:52.430 Yeah. So there's a gentleman that I met. At the 00:33:52.430 --> 00:33:57.289 Maxwell event that we attended in August. His 00:33:57.289 --> 00:34:00.069 name, I don't want to say his full name on the 00:34:00.069 --> 00:34:01.910 podcast because I don't have his permission. 00:34:02.549 --> 00:34:05.529 His name is also John. He lives in Wisconsin. 00:34:06.549 --> 00:34:08.610 He's in the process of building his business. 00:34:09.630 --> 00:34:12.610 And I think that he is definitely someone who 00:34:12.610 --> 00:34:16.130 has life experiences. He's also an Army veteran 00:34:16.130 --> 00:34:19.630 like myself. And I think that he's somebody. 00:34:20.440 --> 00:34:22.880 I'll give you his contact information later. 00:34:23.500 --> 00:34:25.960 But in my opinion, he's definitely somebody that 00:34:25.960 --> 00:34:27.659 you should know and that you should have a conversation 00:34:27.659 --> 00:34:31.639 with. A super, super dynamic person. Awesome. 00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:34.940 Fantastic. Thank you. And yeah, we'll chat right 00:34:34.940 --> 00:34:38.500 after the recording is over. And for people who 00:34:38.500 --> 00:34:40.079 want to reach out to you, want to get to know 00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:42.280 a little bit more about who you are, where can 00:34:42.280 --> 00:34:47.719 they find you at? So my catchphrase is I'm not 00:34:47.719 --> 00:34:50.780 hard to find. So if you go to my website, it's 00:34:50.780 --> 00:34:55.800 getduelin .com. It's G -E -T -D -O -O -L -E -N 00:34:55.800 --> 00:35:02.039 .com. You can actually, from my website, you 00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:03.820 have direct access to my calendar if you want 00:35:03.820 --> 00:35:07.000 to book time with me. And then, Thomas, one of 00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:09.539 the things that we had talked about before hitting 00:35:09.539 --> 00:35:12.199 record, but I want to make sure your audience 00:35:12.199 --> 00:35:14.780 knows is if they're interested in participating 00:35:14.780 --> 00:35:17.460 in a free leadership workshop, they can get time 00:35:17.460 --> 00:35:20.719 with me to schedule that. Obviously, the best 00:35:20.719 --> 00:35:25.820 use of that workshop is with their team. Bring 00:35:25.820 --> 00:35:28.639 their team in. Let's diagnose and let's work 00:35:28.639 --> 00:35:30.579 through some challenges that they're having or 00:35:30.579 --> 00:35:32.760 just get them set up for whatever's coming in 00:35:32.760 --> 00:35:35.639 the future. Um, of course, as I mentioned, everything 00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:38.099 I do is custom built to who I'm working with. 00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:42.139 So yeah, uh, I just, you know, you can book me 00:35:42.139 --> 00:35:44.219 through my calendar, which is on my website. 00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:48.639 Awesome. Fantastic. And again, we will link all 00:35:48.639 --> 00:35:50.480 this in the show notes. So you guys, if you guys 00:35:50.480 --> 00:35:52.980 want to sign up for any of the things that you 00:35:52.980 --> 00:35:55.219 mentioned, you'll be able to do that directly. 00:35:55.739 --> 00:35:58.019 So, and I'll also link his LinkedIn in there 00:35:58.019 --> 00:36:01.360 for you guys too. Yeah. Yeah, and I do publish 00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:04.219 a daily blog focused on leadership development 00:36:04.219 --> 00:36:07.059 and being a better human. My tagline for that 00:36:07.059 --> 00:36:10.719 is be better today than you were yesterday. Fantastic. 00:36:10.760 --> 00:36:14.719 I love that tagline. That's kind of a mantra 00:36:14.719 --> 00:36:18.440 I try to have. Be better today. Down the back 00:36:18.440 --> 00:36:22.539 there. Nice. But awesome. Everyone, thank you 00:36:22.539 --> 00:36:24.960 for listening to this episode of the Pursuit 00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:27.650 of Calling podcast. If you enjoyed this episode, 00:36:27.929 --> 00:36:29.989 you know what to do. Share it out on all the 00:36:29.989 --> 00:36:33.670 major social media platforms. And on whatever 00:36:33.670 --> 00:36:35.590 major podcasting platform you're listening to 00:36:35.590 --> 00:36:41.309 this on, don't forget to review, comment, leave 00:36:41.309 --> 00:36:44.909 a review. Guys, thank you, and we'll see you 00:36:44.909 --> 00:36:45.250 next time.