WEBVTT 00:00:08.359 --> 00:00:11.140 What's going on, Pursuers? Welcome to The Pursuit 00:00:11.140 --> 00:00:14.339 of Calling, the podcast that provides you with 00:00:14.339 --> 00:00:17.260 the strategies and tools needed to successfully 00:00:17.260 --> 00:00:20.820 discover and pursue your calling. Whether it's 00:00:20.820 --> 00:00:23.239 through inspiring stories, thought -provoking 00:00:23.239 --> 00:00:26.160 interviews, or quick, insightful episodes on 00:00:26.160 --> 00:00:28.559 personal growth and development, we've got you 00:00:28.559 --> 00:00:32.359 covered. I'm your host, Thomas Carney. Enjoy 00:00:32.359 --> 00:00:40.450 the episode. All right, Paul, welcome to the 00:00:40.450 --> 00:00:43.729 show. Thank you for having me. Yeah, for sure. 00:00:44.649 --> 00:00:47.130 For those of you who don't know who Paul Emery 00:00:47.130 --> 00:00:51.530 is, everyone gets an intro. I just want to have 00:00:51.530 --> 00:00:55.549 a few things I just want to say real quick. I 00:00:55.549 --> 00:00:59.829 met Paul at IMC, where many of my previous guests 00:00:59.829 --> 00:01:02.810 have come from. But the big difference is that 00:01:02.810 --> 00:01:06.250 him and I stayed in contact. Through the excitement 00:01:06.250 --> 00:01:09.920 after IMC back in March, to us coaching each 00:01:09.920 --> 00:01:14.159 other to the loss of his son and to him now teaching 00:01:14.159 --> 00:01:16.420 me his personal values and success framework 00:01:16.420 --> 00:01:21.260 called EcoPAC. Or he told me that that stands 00:01:21.260 --> 00:01:25.379 for Emory for the Kingdom of Heaven, PAC. And 00:01:25.379 --> 00:01:27.200 I'm super excited to have this conversation with 00:01:27.200 --> 00:01:30.819 him and to share with you because Paul has become, 00:01:31.060 --> 00:01:36.159 over the last six months, has become a pretty 00:01:36.159 --> 00:01:39.549 dear friend. And we've helped each other grow 00:01:39.549 --> 00:01:42.329 a lot in these last few months. So I'm excited 00:01:42.329 --> 00:01:47.930 to share some of his insights with you. Well, 00:01:47.969 --> 00:01:50.730 I'm glad to be with you, Thomas, as always. For 00:01:50.730 --> 00:01:55.930 sure. And I haven't done this in a while, and 00:01:55.930 --> 00:01:58.890 I kind of felt convicted by God to do this again. 00:01:59.689 --> 00:02:02.829 I used to, every episode with guests, at least 00:02:02.829 --> 00:02:07.819 once I knew, I would do exaltations. And I have 00:02:07.819 --> 00:02:11.120 not done them in a while. And so I figured this 00:02:11.120 --> 00:02:13.039 would be a great opportunity to be able to do 00:02:13.039 --> 00:02:18.000 this again. So I intrude to you guys to how I 00:02:18.000 --> 00:02:19.960 met him, but I want to talk to you about who 00:02:19.960 --> 00:02:24.500 he is. So Paul has a faith in God that I truly 00:02:24.500 --> 00:02:29.900 strive to have. He has this perseverance in achieving 00:02:29.900 --> 00:02:32.419 his goals and with pushing me to want to do the 00:02:32.419 --> 00:02:40.270 same. One thing that I really like to think about, 00:02:40.370 --> 00:02:43.110 I mentioned the 21 irrefutable laws of leadership 00:02:43.110 --> 00:02:46.569 on this podcast before, and law 11 is the law 00:02:46.569 --> 00:02:49.789 of the inner circle. And I'm really happy to 00:02:49.789 --> 00:02:52.650 have Paul in my inner circle because, like I 00:02:52.650 --> 00:02:56.270 said, not just because of his faith and perseverance, 00:02:56.530 --> 00:02:59.389 but I think those tied in with, I mentioned before, 00:02:59.469 --> 00:03:01.969 the loss of his son, and I got to see how he 00:03:01.969 --> 00:03:04.400 handled that and how his faith. held true and 00:03:04.400 --> 00:03:07.800 strong and, uh, to that. And because he knows 00:03:07.800 --> 00:03:11.780 the truth that inspired me to really lean into 00:03:11.780 --> 00:03:14.939 my faith more. So this, I'm just trying to set 00:03:14.939 --> 00:03:16.900 you guys up for this episode. Cause I know it's 00:03:16.900 --> 00:03:21.719 going to be good. And so let me make sure I said 00:03:21.719 --> 00:03:26.979 all the exaltations. Uh, but yeah, I think that's 00:03:26.979 --> 00:03:28.699 everything I want to say. I want to say again, 00:03:28.800 --> 00:03:30.740 I'm happy to have, uh, happy to have you here, 00:03:30.800 --> 00:03:40.919 Paul. And. Let's dive in. Who would you say, 00:03:41.139 --> 00:03:45.219 now that I have been true to you, who would you 00:03:45.219 --> 00:03:50.520 say Paul Emery is? Well, I am currently an aspiring 00:03:50.520 --> 00:03:54.740 coach. I've, as you mentioned, been with John 00:03:54.740 --> 00:03:58.439 Maxwell and certified through the IMC conference 00:03:58.439 --> 00:04:01.400 last March. So that was my entrance into the 00:04:01.400 --> 00:04:06.159 community. And it was just a few short weeks 00:04:06.159 --> 00:04:10.180 after that conference, specifically on April 00:04:10.180 --> 00:04:16.160 21st, I lost contact with my 21 -year -old son, 00:04:16.240 --> 00:04:19.980 Nolan. He was living in Nashville. And it wasn't 00:04:19.980 --> 00:04:22.600 uncommon not to hear from Nolan for a few days. 00:04:22.660 --> 00:04:26.040 But as time progressed, a few days later, I was 00:04:26.040 --> 00:04:29.370 speaking to his sister. on the phone and she 00:04:29.370 --> 00:04:31.949 had not heard from him either so we ended up 00:04:31.949 --> 00:04:34.470 discovering that he had passed away due to an 00:04:34.470 --> 00:04:38.750 epileptic seizure and we're not exactly sure 00:04:38.750 --> 00:04:43.170 what day that happened but uh that period of 00:04:43.170 --> 00:04:45.589 time each month since has been difficult and 00:04:45.589 --> 00:04:49.129 coming up on the conference just this past month 00:04:49.129 --> 00:04:51.910 in august i had friends reach out to me and suggest 00:04:51.910 --> 00:04:55.370 that i attend the conference and at first i decided 00:04:55.370 --> 00:04:59.000 no it's too early i need space and time. But 00:04:59.000 --> 00:05:01.579 as that conference drew closer, I felt convicted 00:05:01.579 --> 00:05:05.439 in my heart that I should pursue that and really 00:05:05.439 --> 00:05:08.040 seek the traction that I came out of the March 00:05:08.040 --> 00:05:11.500 conference with in living as a person of value 00:05:11.500 --> 00:05:14.500 who could add value to other people. And I can't 00:05:14.500 --> 00:05:17.160 tell you how excited I was in March to emerge 00:05:17.160 --> 00:05:21.220 as a certified coach with John Maxwell. In fact, 00:05:21.240 --> 00:05:24.149 I came out of the conference Checked into a hotel, 00:05:24.310 --> 00:05:26.829 bought some dry erase markers and drool over 00:05:26.829 --> 00:05:30.910 the windows with what has become since then Echo 00:05:30.910 --> 00:05:34.129 Pack. And I'm excited to share that with you 00:05:34.129 --> 00:05:36.889 today. Glad to answer any questions that you 00:05:36.889 --> 00:05:39.850 might have regarding that. But I am currently 00:05:39.850 --> 00:05:42.449 residing in Alabama. I live in southern Alabama 00:05:42.449 --> 00:05:46.370 in a town called Opp, spelled O -P -P. And we're 00:05:46.370 --> 00:05:48.829 about a half hour north of the Panhandle line. 00:05:49.629 --> 00:05:54.129 I am the oldest of four boys. in my fifties now. 00:05:56.189 --> 00:06:01.569 And I am a full -time worker who is learning 00:06:01.569 --> 00:06:05.970 to coach in the rest of my day. So any of you 00:06:05.970 --> 00:06:09.019 out there that are. by vocationally looking at 00:06:09.019 --> 00:06:13.120 coaching as a viable means, that's me too. I'm 00:06:13.120 --> 00:06:14.860 right there with you. I know what it's like to 00:06:14.860 --> 00:06:16.860 try and squeak a few extra hours out of the day, 00:06:16.959 --> 00:06:20.160 either to read or to engage with some actual 00:06:20.160 --> 00:06:23.379 platform or to engage in a wonderful opportunity 00:06:23.379 --> 00:06:28.149 like this to be with you here today. I do have 00:06:28.149 --> 00:06:31.610 ambitions of becoming a full -time coach someday. 00:06:32.069 --> 00:06:34.889 Very interested in that. I am a member of the 00:06:34.889 --> 00:06:37.930 mentorship community with John Maxwell as well. 00:06:38.069 --> 00:06:41.689 And I am still going through my certification 00:06:41.689 --> 00:06:44.949 as a disc trainer. I bought into that level of 00:06:44.949 --> 00:06:48.350 the training tool with disc and really enjoy 00:06:48.350 --> 00:06:51.550 psychometric tool and evaluation of people's. 00:06:51.930 --> 00:06:54.170 personalities as a way to connect to them i am 00:06:54.170 --> 00:06:56.430 a very strong connector and that's what motivated 00:06:56.430 --> 00:06:59.649 me to get engaged with john maxwell in the first 00:06:59.649 --> 00:07:04.470 place i saw an opportunity to satisfy my natural 00:07:04.470 --> 00:07:07.730 enjoyment of connecting with people through being 00:07:07.730 --> 00:07:11.209 a person of value who values people and can add 00:07:11.209 --> 00:07:14.670 value to them so in a nutshell uh that's about 00:07:14.670 --> 00:07:19.370 who i am and uh really i am just want to echo 00:07:20.000 --> 00:07:22.120 Thomas's comments right back to him, it was very 00:07:22.120 --> 00:07:24.980 meaningful. He and I sat together for a meal 00:07:24.980 --> 00:07:28.279 at the IMC in March, and then we sat together 00:07:28.279 --> 00:07:34.259 near each other through the last day there and 00:07:34.259 --> 00:07:37.879 just connected in such an extraordinary way, 00:07:37.980 --> 00:07:40.079 exchanged information. This has developed into 00:07:40.079 --> 00:07:41.939 a wonderful friendship, so I appreciate you too, 00:07:42.040 --> 00:07:51.279 brother. Yeah, for sure. No, it was... It is 00:07:51.279 --> 00:07:53.500 crazy how that happened because we both met a 00:07:53.500 --> 00:07:58.079 lot of people and I'm not, and yeah, we just 00:07:58.079 --> 00:07:59.500 so happened to sit next to each other and I asked 00:07:59.500 --> 00:08:02.660 you for your notes. You had like 10 pages of 00:08:02.660 --> 00:08:06.800 notes. Uh, but yeah, it was, uh, definitely, 00:08:07.040 --> 00:08:09.720 I'm definitely happy that we got, uh, got that 00:08:09.720 --> 00:08:12.740 chance to meet and see in contact. Uh, but you 00:08:12.740 --> 00:08:15.339 mentioned echo pack and I'm sorry that I, uh, 00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:18.519 introed it wrong. Oh, no, you're fine. Just fine. 00:08:19.259 --> 00:08:22.560 Um, But why don't you tell people about what 00:08:22.560 --> 00:08:27.800 Echo Pack is? Well, Echo Pack is all about six 00:08:27.800 --> 00:08:31.199 months from now, who you want to become. We all 00:08:31.199 --> 00:08:35.360 cast forward something into this universe and 00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:38.019 it echoes back in different ways. But I like 00:08:38.019 --> 00:08:41.620 to ask people 4 ,380 hours from now, you know, 00:08:41.620 --> 00:08:44.860 six months from this moment, where will you be? 00:08:45.500 --> 00:08:48.600 With attitudes you're protecting, with the relationships 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:50.480 you're investing in, with habits that you're 00:08:50.480 --> 00:08:55.179 forming, with the person who you are, people 00:08:55.179 --> 00:08:58.279 are watching us as people of influence. And all 00:08:58.279 --> 00:09:01.360 of us, I believe, underestimate our influence 00:09:01.360 --> 00:09:03.620 on the world because there are people who love 00:09:03.620 --> 00:09:05.779 us. There are people who are watching us. There 00:09:05.779 --> 00:09:08.679 are people who are inspired by us, either for 00:09:08.679 --> 00:09:12.450 the good or for the bad. So to ask ourselves, 00:09:12.509 --> 00:09:14.750 where would I want to be? How am I inspiring 00:09:14.750 --> 00:09:17.350 those who are watching me? How am I living as 00:09:17.350 --> 00:09:22.549 a person of faith, a person of value? John rightly 00:09:22.549 --> 00:09:26.269 says that most people allow their lives to simply 00:09:26.269 --> 00:09:29.950 happen to them. And that's not you, Thomas. That's 00:09:29.950 --> 00:09:32.809 not me. That's not what we do in the Maxwell 00:09:32.809 --> 00:09:36.190 community. We're all about being people of value 00:09:36.190 --> 00:09:38.029 who add value to others. And as you mentioned, 00:09:38.490 --> 00:09:42.789 Emery is a material that's used for polishing, 00:09:42.929 --> 00:09:46.409 shaping, and smoothing other surfaces. And I 00:09:46.409 --> 00:09:49.049 really love that. True to my last name, I have 00:09:49.049 --> 00:09:52.570 had an opportunity to be abrasive in the manufacturing 00:09:52.570 --> 00:09:55.929 world as a Six Sigma black belt and a change 00:09:55.929 --> 00:09:59.870 manager, managing projects. And that is often 00:09:59.870 --> 00:10:03.190 an abrasive element in an organization. But it's 00:10:03.190 --> 00:10:06.009 all about smoothing and shaping and polishing 00:10:06.009 --> 00:10:12.610 where it's needed. Emory, as you mentioned, for 00:10:12.610 --> 00:10:15.250 the kingdom of heaven, I want to, through coaching, 00:10:15.549 --> 00:10:19.769 shape, polish, and smooth courage into character 00:10:19.769 --> 00:10:23.149 by helping other people recognize their potential 00:10:23.149 --> 00:10:27.110 and invest in legacy. So the way I like to explain 00:10:27.110 --> 00:10:30.110 Echo Pack is you'll engage in four basic journeys. 00:10:30.190 --> 00:10:33.009 The first would be to know yourself in order 00:10:33.009 --> 00:10:35.129 to lead yourself, and that has been coined by 00:10:35.129 --> 00:10:37.970 several organizations. But it's all about identifying 00:10:37.970 --> 00:10:40.309 those values, those things that really resonate 00:10:40.309 --> 00:10:43.830 with who we are and what motivates us into activity. 00:10:44.509 --> 00:10:47.950 Then leading ourselves in order to lead other 00:10:47.950 --> 00:10:50.289 people. We can't give away what we don't have, 00:10:50.470 --> 00:10:53.009 right? John emphasizes that in his materials. 00:10:53.509 --> 00:10:56.350 And if we are going to lead other people, that 00:10:56.350 --> 00:10:59.450 gives us this third journey into reaching our 00:10:59.450 --> 00:11:01.309 potential because that's what we're trying to 00:11:01.309 --> 00:11:04.049 become. People of value who add value to people. 00:11:04.720 --> 00:11:07.379 And reaching potential. Why? So we can invest 00:11:07.379 --> 00:11:10.539 a legacy. And all of us are going to leave a 00:11:10.539 --> 00:11:15.100 legacy of life lived. How? Well, the end of that 00:11:15.100 --> 00:11:17.620 sentence is up to every one of us. And that's 00:11:17.620 --> 00:11:19.539 what I love about Echo Pack is Echo Pack members 00:11:19.539 --> 00:11:22.899 have the opportunity to very clearly understand 00:11:22.899 --> 00:11:29.100 how 50 % of their available time is moored and 00:11:29.100 --> 00:11:33.539 anchored to a trajectory that will satisfy. a 00:11:33.539 --> 00:11:35.919 stretch vision statement for their lives six 00:11:35.919 --> 00:11:40.340 months from now. And the idea is that we work 00:11:40.340 --> 00:11:42.519 together to understand your values. We understand 00:11:42.519 --> 00:11:46.179 your, we shape a mission statement for you. Some 00:11:46.179 --> 00:11:48.639 people have a mission statement. I'm surprised 00:11:48.639 --> 00:11:50.940 to find that many do not have a mission statement. 00:11:50.980 --> 00:11:54.460 And if they do, it's not always directly connected 00:11:54.460 --> 00:11:57.320 to the value system that's motivating them. So 00:11:57.320 --> 00:11:58.960 knowing ourselves to lead ourselves, leading 00:11:58.960 --> 00:12:02.750 ourselves to lead others. satisfying that vision 00:12:02.750 --> 00:12:05.850 statement for six months, investing our legacy, 00:12:05.990 --> 00:12:08.509 and then enjoying a cadence of coaching along 00:12:08.509 --> 00:12:11.950 the way. I love coaching because I love connecting. 00:12:12.230 --> 00:12:15.710 And it's just a complete reward for me. So far, 00:12:15.769 --> 00:12:18.629 I've been doing it with folks who have been willing, 00:12:18.750 --> 00:12:22.850 like yourself, to help me evaluate that process 00:12:22.850 --> 00:12:27.220 and how it goes by practicing, in essence. But 00:12:27.220 --> 00:12:31.639 I'm hoping in the near future to be able to monetize 00:12:31.639 --> 00:12:33.860 that into something that will really add value 00:12:33.860 --> 00:12:36.820 to people who take advantage of it. You know, 00:12:36.820 --> 00:12:39.039 John says that success is not a destination. 00:12:39.259 --> 00:12:42.639 It's a daily. Right. And Echo Pack members have 00:12:42.639 --> 00:12:45.059 the opportunity to know how to daily connect 00:12:45.059 --> 00:12:48.600 their experience to the trajectory of where they 00:12:48.600 --> 00:12:51.600 have decided ahead of time they want to be six 00:12:51.600 --> 00:12:58.620 months from today. the additives on a calendar 00:12:58.620 --> 00:13:02.120 things that stack up in a daily format however 00:13:02.120 --> 00:13:04.120 you live your life with scheduling and planning 00:13:04.120 --> 00:13:07.700 so that if you run into an available half hour 00:13:07.700 --> 00:13:10.820 or you've got an available 20 minutes it's very 00:13:10.820 --> 00:13:13.460 easy and very reflexive to participate in these 00:13:13.460 --> 00:13:16.200 activities that we've determined ahead of time 00:13:16.200 --> 00:13:19.419 that connect very strongly to your values and 00:13:19.419 --> 00:13:23.750 we also operate on the premise of 70 -30, that 00:13:23.750 --> 00:13:27.350 if 70 % of what your life is about and you are 00:13:27.350 --> 00:13:30.669 engaging in is highly connected to your values 00:13:30.669 --> 00:13:34.029 and highly connected to your leadership, you 00:13:34.029 --> 00:13:38.190 can survive the other 30 % that may not be, but 00:13:38.190 --> 00:13:42.029 it's not going to run you into a deficit of energy, 00:13:42.190 --> 00:13:45.610 motivation, attitude. You'll be able to find 00:13:45.610 --> 00:13:48.009 meaningful connection to your values and your 00:13:48.009 --> 00:13:50.669 leadership every single day. That's what Echo 00:13:50.669 --> 00:13:54.529 Pack is really about. Well, thank you for that. 00:13:54.929 --> 00:13:59.750 Thanks for asking. For sure. I want to go back 00:13:59.750 --> 00:14:02.669 to something you said. You said about the mission 00:14:02.669 --> 00:14:05.190 statement where people don't always have that 00:14:05.190 --> 00:14:11.169 connected with their values. And you say that, 00:14:11.230 --> 00:14:17.289 and if someone has a mission statement, maybe 00:14:17.289 --> 00:14:21.720 they don't know that's what it is. and that and 00:14:21.720 --> 00:14:27.080 like um because i think our if a mission statement 00:14:27.080 --> 00:14:28.700 isn't connected to your values it's because it 00:14:28.700 --> 00:14:32.500 wasn't in my mind it's because it wasn't uh influenced 00:14:32.500 --> 00:14:36.100 by your values it's influenced by uh the world 00:14:36.100 --> 00:14:38.620 it's influenced by like the people people around 00:14:38.620 --> 00:14:43.139 you more than what's uh inside and i think there's 00:14:43.139 --> 00:14:45.980 some nuance to that i think of course your values 00:14:45.980 --> 00:14:50.639 grow from uh where like a what is called your 00:14:50.639 --> 00:14:52.720 maps of meaning that's something that like jordan 00:14:52.720 --> 00:14:55.919 peterson talks about and yeah like what your 00:14:55.919 --> 00:14:59.379 like how you how do you how you see the world 00:14:59.379 --> 00:15:03.379 it's really and but if you always let your values 00:15:03.379 --> 00:15:06.860 like um if you always let your values or values 00:15:06.860 --> 00:15:09.360 or your missions be based off what other people 00:15:09.360 --> 00:15:11.440 believe then how are you ever going to know what 00:15:11.440 --> 00:15:12.679 you believe how you're ever going to know what 00:15:12.679 --> 00:15:17.220 what you have value in it's like um growing in 00:15:17.220 --> 00:15:22.080 my relationship with Christ, it was exactly like 00:15:22.080 --> 00:15:25.600 that. It's like, am I going to have my parents' 00:15:25.740 --> 00:15:28.480 faith and rely on their faith, or am I going 00:15:28.480 --> 00:15:33.500 to grow my own relationship with Christ? That's 00:15:33.500 --> 00:15:36.299 right. So it's like whenever you have a mission 00:15:36.299 --> 00:15:40.899 statement, you look into yourself, and if you 00:15:40.899 --> 00:15:43.100 don't have one, and if you have one that's not 00:15:43.100 --> 00:15:46.259 based on your values, I think first you have 00:15:46.259 --> 00:15:48.980 to figure out what your values are. Well, you're 00:15:48.980 --> 00:15:51.399 right. You're right. But yeah, it's like figure 00:15:51.399 --> 00:15:53.179 out your values and based on your values, figure 00:15:53.179 --> 00:15:55.960 out your mission statement. And the mission statement, 00:15:55.960 --> 00:15:59.000 it's 100 % yours. It's unique to you. It's not 00:15:59.000 --> 00:16:02.100 anybody else's. That's right. So, and that's 00:16:02.100 --> 00:16:03.580 really what's going to help, like what you were 00:16:03.580 --> 00:16:07.559 saying, Paul, like that's really what's going 00:16:07.559 --> 00:16:11.779 to help drive everything that you do. Oh, it's 00:16:11.779 --> 00:16:14.100 incredible. And it's as unique to you as your 00:16:14.100 --> 00:16:16.220 DNA is. There's something that I think is amazing. 00:16:16.779 --> 00:16:19.399 One of the proofs of God, in my opinion, this 00:16:19.399 --> 00:16:22.899 is a wonderful proof that God exists, is that 00:16:22.899 --> 00:16:26.279 in the span of all of history, even within the 00:16:26.279 --> 00:16:29.419 8 .5 billion people on the planet today, God 00:16:29.419 --> 00:16:33.519 has never lacked the creativity sufficient to 00:16:33.519 --> 00:16:37.019 need to reuse the mold that he used to make Thomas 00:16:37.019 --> 00:16:39.860 Carney. He's never had to reuse the mold he used 00:16:39.860 --> 00:16:43.360 to make. Paul Emery. We may look like our parents. 00:16:43.460 --> 00:16:46.240 We may have some similarities of features with 00:16:46.240 --> 00:16:50.500 them as their offspring, but our impact on the 00:16:50.500 --> 00:16:53.230 world, we are designed. to make a unique impact 00:16:53.230 --> 00:16:55.690 on the world as unique as the experiences we 00:16:55.690 --> 00:16:57.990 have experienced. And that's something that came 00:16:57.990 --> 00:16:59.909 out of this last conference. I was really blessed. 00:16:59.970 --> 00:17:01.929 You mentioned 10 pages of notes from the first 00:17:01.929 --> 00:17:05.609 IMC. Second IMC, I emerged with 38 pages of notes, 00:17:05.630 --> 00:17:10.109 and I'm still unpacking them. So just a plug 00:17:10.109 --> 00:17:12.250 there. If you ever think that going to the conference 00:17:12.250 --> 00:17:16.009 again may not hold anything new for you, please. 00:17:16.779 --> 00:17:19.220 Do not believe that. Give it a chance and find 00:17:19.220 --> 00:17:21.680 out what a treasure it can be. But there is no 00:17:21.680 --> 00:17:24.000 question that you are designed to make a unique 00:17:24.000 --> 00:17:27.480 impact on the world. And there is a group of 00:17:27.480 --> 00:17:30.299 people who are only going to hear your voice. 00:17:30.480 --> 00:17:33.160 God wants to use you as salt and light in a unique 00:17:33.160 --> 00:17:35.599 way. And I completely agree with you, making 00:17:35.599 --> 00:17:40.279 sure that you take the time. Three one -hour 00:17:40.279 --> 00:17:43.480 sessions in Echo Pack, more if needed, but it's 00:17:43.480 --> 00:17:46.519 three at a minimum. The first hour is spent just 00:17:46.519 --> 00:17:49.619 unpacking what your individual values are. And 00:17:49.619 --> 00:17:52.019 it's not just a matter of what do you think is 00:17:52.019 --> 00:17:55.619 important. It's really a matter of creating a 00:17:55.619 --> 00:17:57.680 model that says, what would the root system of 00:17:57.680 --> 00:18:00.259 your value tree be? What would the supporting 00:18:00.259 --> 00:18:04.880 structure of your value tree become? the leaves 00:18:04.880 --> 00:18:08.000 what are the things that photosynthesize why 00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:11.619 are you exchanging energy with the world around 00:18:11.619 --> 00:18:14.859 you to create and give back to the environment 00:18:14.859 --> 00:18:17.579 those exchanging elements of values are also 00:18:17.579 --> 00:18:19.880 very powerful and we keep on referring back to 00:18:19.880 --> 00:18:21.579 those as we move through that mission statement 00:18:21.579 --> 00:18:23.980 and then deriving the vision statement to get 00:18:23.980 --> 00:18:28.220 very specific about the old the old acronym smart 00:18:28.220 --> 00:18:30.880 specific measurable attainable realistic and 00:18:30.880 --> 00:18:33.910 time bound Your vision statement should be a 00:18:33.910 --> 00:18:37.390 SMART goal that's measurable and verifiable. 00:18:37.549 --> 00:18:41.170 Can you say that SMART goal again, but say it 00:18:41.170 --> 00:18:43.470 slower just in case somebody missed it? Oh, absolutely. 00:18:44.130 --> 00:18:49.789 SMART stands for specific, measurable, attainable, 00:18:49.950 --> 00:18:54.380 realistic, and time -bound. And all of those 00:18:54.380 --> 00:18:57.079 are extremely important to know that you're successful 00:18:57.079 --> 00:19:01.140 in achieving what you want to do. This is also, 00:19:01.220 --> 00:19:04.039 you mentioned the word pack at the end of echo, 00:19:04.180 --> 00:19:07.920 E -K -O -H -P -A -C -K. The pack is really all 00:19:07.920 --> 00:19:10.059 about a community of people that come around 00:19:10.059 --> 00:19:14.799 you because we are in synergy more than just 00:19:14.799 --> 00:19:17.140 the sum of our parts. One plus one equals three, 00:19:17.319 --> 00:19:20.519 maybe five, maybe seven. But I know in our exchange. 00:19:21.210 --> 00:19:23.390 Thomas, with our friendship and our coaching 00:19:23.390 --> 00:19:25.630 sessions that have followed the conference, we 00:19:25.630 --> 00:19:27.509 have gotten more from each other than just the 00:19:27.509 --> 00:19:31.930 additive of our parts. We experience more. We 00:19:31.930 --> 00:19:34.650 push ourselves further in community. And so this 00:19:34.650 --> 00:19:37.450 is all about living in community to reach your 00:19:37.450 --> 00:19:40.369 potential. That is really my mission in life. 00:19:40.589 --> 00:19:43.329 I love the two greatest commandments that Jesus 00:19:43.329 --> 00:19:46.130 gave, love the Lord your God, soul, heart, mind, 00:19:46.150 --> 00:19:49.000 and spirit, all of it. Also love your neighbor 00:19:49.000 --> 00:19:50.859 as yourself. Well, learning to love yourself 00:19:50.859 --> 00:19:55.319 well is extremely important. But then in the 00:19:55.319 --> 00:19:57.720 context of all of that, living as somebody who 00:19:57.720 --> 00:20:01.319 inspires other people to do the same way, I am 00:20:01.319 --> 00:20:04.160 all about connecting in order to help people 00:20:04.160 --> 00:20:06.240 reach their potential. It really excites me. 00:20:08.859 --> 00:20:13.470 Wow. I appreciate the chance to talk about it. 00:20:13.509 --> 00:20:15.970 I love to talk. I talk for a living. I could 00:20:15.970 --> 00:20:20.069 talk all day long, but I don't want to overextend. 00:20:20.309 --> 00:20:23.890 No, you're perfectly fine. I'm kind of itching 00:20:23.890 --> 00:20:26.730 because part of me wants to see 38 notes and 00:20:26.730 --> 00:20:29.349 part of me doesn't know if I have time to go 00:20:29.349 --> 00:20:34.390 through 38 pages of notes. But I definitely want 00:20:34.390 --> 00:20:40.430 to talk to you about that sometime. We've been 00:20:40.430 --> 00:20:45.970 plugging Maxwell a lot. If you've been thinking 00:20:45.970 --> 00:20:47.329 about taking the employing, don't even know what 00:20:47.329 --> 00:20:50.690 we're talking about. Just search Maxwell Leadership. 00:20:51.049 --> 00:20:53.690 Look up IMC and just go see it for yourself. 00:20:55.349 --> 00:21:02.289 It's not paid advertisement. The next question 00:21:02.289 --> 00:21:05.970 I want to ask, though, is this podcast is called 00:21:05.970 --> 00:21:08.839 The Pursuit of Calling. And essentially, it's 00:21:08.839 --> 00:21:10.640 like what you're doing is helping people discover 00:21:10.640 --> 00:21:12.660 their mission statement, which I believe is like 00:21:12.660 --> 00:21:17.420 a verbal representation of what the calling is. 00:21:18.200 --> 00:21:22.079 And I think what you already said, you already 00:21:22.079 --> 00:21:23.339 kind of answered the question I was going to 00:21:23.339 --> 00:21:26.000 ask. What would you say your calling is was the 00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:28.559 question. But you already said it's to shape, 00:21:28.599 --> 00:21:32.619 polish, and smooth others. Yeah. It's to help 00:21:32.619 --> 00:21:39.509 others see. Not just who they could be, but also 00:21:39.509 --> 00:21:42.450 help them get there. Well, absolutely. And it 00:21:42.450 --> 00:21:44.809 begins, obviously, I take the same journey as 00:21:44.809 --> 00:21:48.849 everybody. Know myself to lead myself. I'm right 00:21:48.849 --> 00:21:51.089 there. John Maxwell says it over and over again, 00:21:51.130 --> 00:21:53.950 the hardest person to lead is yourself. And I 00:21:53.950 --> 00:21:57.589 am still working on that. But in the context 00:21:57.589 --> 00:21:59.589 of doing that, it's a wonderful opportunity then 00:21:59.589 --> 00:22:02.440 to find out that other people get inspired. by 00:22:02.440 --> 00:22:04.799 that and they get inspired to follow and they 00:22:04.799 --> 00:22:08.579 want that same experience so yeah i am very much 00:22:08.579 --> 00:22:12.539 wired for living as an example that would be 00:22:12.539 --> 00:22:15.940 worthy of following and then not only that but 00:22:15.940 --> 00:22:18.279 having the time taking the time connecting in 00:22:18.279 --> 00:22:21.279 a way that helps other people reach their potential 00:22:22.160 --> 00:22:24.039 That's what really gets me out of bed in the 00:22:24.039 --> 00:22:26.819 morning. And I have found a unique calling, even 00:22:26.819 --> 00:22:29.180 my professional life. I've worked in industry 00:22:29.180 --> 00:22:33.500 for over 30 years. And in the context of that, 00:22:33.559 --> 00:22:36.819 it's often been surrounding projects that were 00:22:36.819 --> 00:22:39.299 seemingly impossible or things that we had never 00:22:39.299 --> 00:22:42.299 done before, optimizing systems. But it always 00:22:42.299 --> 00:22:44.579 boils down to, and I will tell people, we are 00:22:44.579 --> 00:22:50.220 primarily in my job. salespeople and psychologists, 00:22:50.539 --> 00:22:54.799 because it's mostly people. People are the most 00:22:54.799 --> 00:22:57.440 valuable part of what we do. And without people, 00:22:57.500 --> 00:23:00.559 things don't improve. They don't work. They won't 00:23:00.559 --> 00:23:03.779 reach their potential. So professionally, I've 00:23:03.779 --> 00:23:06.539 been doing this for a while. I really enjoy watching 00:23:06.539 --> 00:23:09.940 light bulbs turn on. I really enjoy seeing people 00:23:09.940 --> 00:23:13.000 motivated for something more than trading time 00:23:13.000 --> 00:23:16.539 for money in the professional context. And now 00:23:16.539 --> 00:23:19.970 moving into coaching. I very much look forward 00:23:19.970 --> 00:23:22.490 to connecting with people, helping the light 00:23:22.490 --> 00:23:26.650 bulbs turn on through the ALA model. I've taken 00:23:26.650 --> 00:23:28.710 that coaching. I'm going to be engaging more 00:23:28.710 --> 00:23:31.829 with the speaker platform. That's yet to come 00:23:31.829 --> 00:23:36.190 for me. But a lot of it is you had referenced 00:23:36.190 --> 00:23:39.269 the death of my son. And a big piece of where 00:23:39.269 --> 00:23:43.279 I am today is because of. how that has affected 00:23:43.279 --> 00:23:47.559 and transformed my life. I have had to find the 00:23:47.559 --> 00:23:53.759 grit to get back up and decide that the Lord 00:23:53.759 --> 00:23:57.099 may have taken my son home, but I'm still here. 00:23:57.319 --> 00:24:00.619 I still have a purpose. There is still a calling 00:24:00.619 --> 00:24:04.160 on my life, to your point. And I want to live 00:24:04.160 --> 00:24:07.160 up to that in a way that's extraordinary. When 00:24:07.160 --> 00:24:11.099 your faith has to interpret... the departure 00:24:11.099 --> 00:24:14.859 of someone as precious to you as a child, then 00:24:14.859 --> 00:24:17.740 it becomes extremely meaningful to live every 00:24:17.740 --> 00:24:21.759 day in the context of that. And I really appreciate, 00:24:21.960 --> 00:24:24.960 in fact, I picked up a book at the conference, 00:24:25.160 --> 00:24:31.559 Live Life Rich by Marissa. And that book, she 00:24:31.559 --> 00:24:34.039 talks about never waste a day. And that's the 00:24:34.039 --> 00:24:36.500 context of what I'm operating in today is really 00:24:36.500 --> 00:24:39.519 never waste a day. I want to live every day as 00:24:39.519 --> 00:24:44.039 a way to reach my potential so that I inspire 00:24:44.039 --> 00:24:46.759 other people to do the same. And I think we do 00:24:46.759 --> 00:24:50.220 that through our relationship with God and then 00:24:50.220 --> 00:24:53.299 living out the power that's alive in us with 00:24:53.299 --> 00:24:55.299 the calling that we have that's unique to all 00:24:55.299 --> 00:24:58.920 of us, like you had mentioned. So much meaningful 00:24:58.920 --> 00:25:01.339 content. And you're right. This is not an advertisement 00:25:01.339 --> 00:25:04.859 for John Maxwell, but I just can't say enough 00:25:04.859 --> 00:25:07.160 about it because of how much it has transformed 00:25:07.160 --> 00:25:12.119 my life. And by doing so, given me a fire and 00:25:12.119 --> 00:25:14.819 a passion for reaching out and adding value to 00:25:14.819 --> 00:25:19.799 other people. Yeah. It's absolutely transformed 00:25:19.799 --> 00:25:22.849 my world. And I'll just tell you, I... In the 00:25:22.849 --> 00:25:25.809 context of writing on the windows of the hotel 00:25:25.809 --> 00:25:28.650 after the March conference, I kind of went through 00:25:28.650 --> 00:25:31.410 some exercises I know how to perform for improving 00:25:31.410 --> 00:25:34.309 processes. I applied those to my own life. And 00:25:34.309 --> 00:25:38.509 just as a testimonial briefly, I identified that 00:25:38.509 --> 00:25:40.730 I had very low connection in my value system 00:25:40.730 --> 00:25:45.849 and low leadership in my life around the activities 00:25:45.849 --> 00:25:49.009 of watching television or scrolling on my smartphone. 00:25:49.630 --> 00:25:52.430 And those were huge time consumers. And when 00:25:52.430 --> 00:25:54.490 you really do the discipline of figuring out 00:25:54.490 --> 00:26:00.890 how do I intentionally use 50 % of my available 00:26:00.890 --> 00:26:04.009 time, including sleeping, eating, hygiene, all 00:26:04.009 --> 00:26:07.450 those necessary things, it is amazing how quickly 00:26:07.450 --> 00:26:10.970 that stacks up. And then referring to John's 00:26:10.970 --> 00:26:13.329 principle of significance, he says anything of 00:26:13.329 --> 00:26:15.769 significance is going to take probably twice 00:26:15.769 --> 00:26:18.539 as much time as we think it will. So that's why 00:26:18.539 --> 00:26:21.960 we choose the 50 % rule. Load up 50 % of the 00:26:21.960 --> 00:26:24.559 time and see if you can live up to that. It is 00:26:24.559 --> 00:26:26.859 really a challenge, but it made a direct impact 00:26:26.859 --> 00:26:29.000 on my life. Ever since the March conference, 00:26:29.359 --> 00:26:33.759 I reduced watching TV, eliminated any scrolling 00:26:33.759 --> 00:26:36.140 on my phone. And I just tell you as a personal, 00:26:36.220 --> 00:26:37.799 I'm not bragging, but I'm just telling you the 00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:40.299 impact it can have on your life. I was reading 00:26:40.299 --> 00:26:44.140 a book a week without any effort whatsoever. 00:26:45.900 --> 00:26:48.839 I remember you telling me that. It was wonderful. 00:26:49.140 --> 00:26:53.099 And then the death of my son really hit me like 00:26:53.099 --> 00:26:55.079 a Mack truck in the middle of an intersection. 00:26:55.599 --> 00:26:59.019 And I was knocked down. And thanks to friends 00:26:59.019 --> 00:27:01.599 like you and others have found a way to come 00:27:01.599 --> 00:27:05.279 back. And I am as determined as ever to live 00:27:05.279 --> 00:27:09.980 up to my potential now. So that is really what 00:27:09.980 --> 00:27:12.579 I feel like my calling is. I'm still here. So 00:27:12.579 --> 00:27:14.960 there's a calling. I'm still here. I still have 00:27:14.960 --> 00:27:17.519 purpose. And so I don't want to waste a day. 00:27:17.539 --> 00:27:19.940 And I really appreciate Marissa sharing that 00:27:19.940 --> 00:27:22.099 at the conference this past April. I'm sorry, 00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:25.640 in August, just a few weeks ago. Yeah. Sharing 00:27:25.640 --> 00:27:27.640 that example of never wasting a day is a powerful 00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:32.140 story. Right. So, Paul, thank you again for being 00:27:32.140 --> 00:27:35.339 on the show. I just got a couple final questions 00:27:35.339 --> 00:27:38.059 I like to wrap up every episode with just to 00:27:38.059 --> 00:27:42.539 help expand my resource base. And the listeners, 00:27:42.799 --> 00:27:45.559 what are some of the top tools and resources 00:27:45.559 --> 00:27:51.059 that you typically recommend to people? Whether 00:27:51.059 --> 00:27:55.859 it be books, podcasts. Oh, well, I do like the 00:27:55.859 --> 00:28:00.099 21 Irrefutable Laws of Leadership. That's a very 00:28:00.099 --> 00:28:04.119 foundational book. I'm very much enjoying Live 00:28:04.119 --> 00:28:08.450 Life Rich by Marissa Nelson. Nielsen, it may 00:28:08.450 --> 00:28:10.589 be. I'm not sure I'm pronouncing her last name 00:28:10.589 --> 00:28:15.109 correctly. A book that has really helped me in 00:28:15.109 --> 00:28:19.930 my connection journey with others has been The 00:28:19.930 --> 00:28:23.230 Five Dysfunctions of a Team by Patrick Lencioni. 00:28:23.750 --> 00:28:29.109 Love that book. I have very much enjoyed The 00:28:29.109 --> 00:28:34.190 Prosperous Coach by Steve Chandler. If you've 00:28:34.190 --> 00:28:36.329 never checked that out, that's a really great 00:28:38.940 --> 00:28:41.960 And another book by John Maxwell that I really 00:28:41.960 --> 00:28:45.079 enjoyed is Success is a Choice. I really enjoyed 00:28:45.079 --> 00:28:47.980 that read. That actually took me longer than 00:28:47.980 --> 00:28:50.440 I thought. It's a tiny book, but it took me longer 00:28:50.440 --> 00:28:53.359 than some because of the pondering that it required. 00:28:55.460 --> 00:28:57.440 Anything You Can Get a Hold of by Brene Brown 00:28:57.440 --> 00:29:03.029 is really great. I enjoy reading her. very much 00:29:03.029 --> 00:29:05.849 if i just gaze up here into my bookshelf uh for 00:29:05.849 --> 00:29:10.230 further inspiration uh radical candor by kim 00:29:10.230 --> 00:29:14.529 scott really enjoyed that book uh very much and 00:29:14.529 --> 00:29:18.390 uh other than that i have a lot of trade type 00:29:18.390 --> 00:29:23.069 things that i've read um emin grant think again 00:29:23.069 --> 00:29:26.670 reading that book i read it a long time ago rereading 00:29:26.670 --> 00:29:29.369 that one i really enjoy that as well so i've 00:29:29.369 --> 00:29:31.130 turned into quite a reader i just really enjoy 00:29:31.130 --> 00:29:34.420 reading I like always having a book. It's an 00:29:34.420 --> 00:29:42.119 acronym called AHAB that was given to me from 00:29:42.119 --> 00:29:44.079 the conference. Always have a book. And that 00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:47.819 seems to really help out a lot. So my reading, 00:29:47.859 --> 00:29:50.519 intentionally picking these books, staying focused 00:29:50.519 --> 00:29:54.920 on that really helps me stay on trajectory for 00:29:54.920 --> 00:29:56.700 where I want to be and who I want to become. 00:29:57.220 --> 00:30:00.910 That's great. Thank you for those. I'm going 00:30:00.910 --> 00:30:05.069 to do my best to put links to all those in the 00:30:05.069 --> 00:30:06.690 show notes or if you want to help me out. And 00:30:06.690 --> 00:30:10.970 if you have any links for those books, you could 00:30:10.970 --> 00:30:13.910 send me. That'd be awesome. Oh, yeah. I'll try 00:30:13.910 --> 00:30:18.829 to do that. And the Bible. Yes. Don't leave out 00:30:18.829 --> 00:30:24.910 the Word of God. And the final question. This 00:30:24.910 --> 00:30:27.880 is... You might know this question from John. 00:30:28.380 --> 00:30:34.059 Who do you know that I should know? Well, I've 00:30:34.059 --> 00:30:39.640 really got to say I'd love for you the chance 00:30:39.640 --> 00:30:43.519 to meet my brother, my brother Mark. Mark Emery 00:30:43.519 --> 00:30:47.440 is his name. He and his wife have recently relocated 00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:50.940 from the Boston area down into southern Alabama. 00:30:51.180 --> 00:30:55.940 Big culture shift for them. But love having them 00:30:55.940 --> 00:30:59.119 nearby. But what I admire most about their current 00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:02.619 chapter is the faith that it has required on 00:31:02.619 --> 00:31:06.700 both of their behalfs to engage this journey. 00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:11.420 And he is a blockchain developer, so he's pursuing 00:31:11.420 --> 00:31:14.680 an opportunity there, as well as a worship leader 00:31:14.680 --> 00:31:18.160 in a nearby church. He and his wife both are 00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:22.099 engaged in leading worship there. So musicianship 00:31:22.099 --> 00:31:24.700 is something that... Everybody in my family enjoys. 00:31:24.940 --> 00:31:29.039 I play music with them. I play guitar at the 00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:32.000 time. So we really enjoy doing that together. 00:31:32.200 --> 00:31:34.059 But he is somebody I think that you ought to 00:31:34.059 --> 00:31:36.480 meet. And I would love to arrange for an introduction. 00:31:36.740 --> 00:31:41.460 He's also got a lot of fantastic intellect and 00:31:41.460 --> 00:31:44.539 observations that would be very engaging on a 00:31:44.539 --> 00:31:46.759 podcast like this to discuss purpose and the 00:31:46.759 --> 00:31:49.819 journey he's been through. His unique approach 00:31:49.819 --> 00:31:55.160 to life and DNA. fingerprint are uh are fascinating 00:31:55.160 --> 00:31:58.660 to me he's a dear friend great brother awesome 00:31:58.660 --> 00:32:01.400 well thank you yeah definitely i give me his 00:32:01.400 --> 00:32:05.420 uh contact information and uh or set up a uh 00:32:05.420 --> 00:32:07.859 or you can set up the conversation that'd be 00:32:07.859 --> 00:32:12.740 awesome yeah we'll do awesome well guys um i 00:32:12.740 --> 00:32:14.779 hope you enjoyed this episode of the pursuit 00:32:14.779 --> 00:32:18.359 of calling podcast And if you did enjoy it, don't 00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:20.720 you know you can go to Spotify, give it a five 00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:23.180 -star review, share the episode out on Instagram, 00:32:23.380 --> 00:32:26.779 Facebook, X, wherever you use social media. Share 00:32:26.779 --> 00:32:28.680 this episode with your friends who you believe 00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:31.160 would get benefit from it. And guys, I'll see 00:32:31.160 --> 00:32:33.579 you next time. See ya. Thanks.