1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:10,040 What's going on everybody? Welcome to this episode of the Pursuit of Calling with me, 2 00:00:10,040 --> 00:00:16,840 your host, Thomas Carney. I got to sit down with Lee Hanyo, a project manager at a golf 3 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:23,560 software company. Pretty cool. We talk a bit about what it means to endure for what you 4 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:29,640 want to accomplish. We dive pretty deep into that because he is a man of endurance. And 5 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:34,560 then we go into how he pushes other people to be more than they believe that they can 6 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:40,160 be. And then after we were done recording, so you guys won't get to hear this part, but 7 00:00:40,160 --> 00:00:45,600 he also pushed me to do something that I can't really talk about yet. But he pushed me to 8 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:52,140 do something that could be really cool. So guys, make sure you're actually taking notes 9 00:00:52,140 --> 00:00:57,360 this episode. It's great. But before we dive in, I want to ask you to send me a message. 10 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:03,240 If you have any questions or you want me to talk on a particular topic, or you just want 11 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:08,960 to say some encouraging words, you can do so on Instagram or via the email that is listed 12 00:01:08,960 --> 00:01:12,560 in the show notes of this episode. Thank you. And let's dive in. 13 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:26,800 All right, guys. Hey, how's it going? So I'm here with Lee, it's Hanyo. 14 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:31,640 Hanyo. Yeah. Mike Wallace butchers it all the time. And he thinks he's right. He looks 15 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:33,800 at me and I get like this. I go, no, that's not right. 16 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:39,160 You say Hanyo? He says Hanyo. He said Hanoi before, like Vietnam or whatever, right? Capital 17 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:44,600 or something like that. No, it's Hanyo. Hanyo. Okay. Okay. Hanyo. It makes me think. 18 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:52,160 Okay. It's like Han. I don't know. But anyway, so we were just catching up for a little bit 19 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:58,240 before the episode, before the recording. But for those who don't know Lee, who is Lee 20 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,680 Hanyo? Lee Hanyo. Lee Hanyo. Yeah. So I always like to 21 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:07,280 start this off with I'm a child of God. I think that's first and foremost. I am a husband. 22 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:14,440 I have a beautiful wife, Megan. And just in general, I'm like an adventurer. I like to 23 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:18,560 explore. I like to learn new things. I like to see new places. Very important part of 24 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:23,480 my life, I think, is just travel and experience. And I love fly fishing. I love cycling. I 25 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:28,560 love running, backpacking, pretty much any kind of outdoor sport or activity you could 26 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:35,240 think of. I've dabbled in it, I'm sure. But those are kind of like my core passions. 27 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:39,480 Have you ever gone spelunking? Spelunking? No. So that kind of freaks me out a little 28 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:44,720 bit, actually. We have a cabin up north. My wife's family has a cabin up there and there's 29 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:49,640 some cave systems up there. I've been in a little bit and that's, I don't know, I feel 30 00:02:49,640 --> 00:02:53,440 like I have probably have a little bit of like a claustrophobia. So that kind of freaks 31 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:58,800 me out a little bit as well as like underwater stuff. I love swimming. I'm a great swimmer, 32 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:03,400 but I don't think I could be like a scuba diver or like go in like cave systems. I just, 33 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:08,840 I don't know, it freaks me out. Yeah. My uncle, he would take us, he would take us like caving 34 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,960 and bike. He would take us bike riding, but the only thing we would do that like with 35 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:16,560 my favorite thing was like caving. Okay. And there was this cave called Bear Cave and we 36 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:23,600 would, there's no bears in it, but the, it was, I tell people about it and they, like, 37 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,760 there's this one point where you have to like army crawl for like, I saw like a hundred 38 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:32,840 feet and like, and I'm a whole time I'm crawling through. I'm like, I get like you get the 39 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,720 thought of like, man, this could just collapse right now. Yes, exactly. That's terrifying. 40 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:41,600 But then I don't think about it until I'm there. Okay. I get in there, I move around 41 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:47,600 like you step on, like you get, like, I can't explain it. Like there's like, I can't explain 42 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:53,840 it, but like without video, the show people, but like what I mean, but like the, I don't 43 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:57,760 know. It was just, it was like so much, it was so much fun. There barely, there's barely 44 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:03,160 any water. They're like small little streams at certain points, but and then he also scuba 45 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:06,800 dive. He had like a certified scuba guy and he would just go, like he loves like underwater 46 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:15,640 caves and stuff. Like, no, cool guy. You know, this podcast is called the pursuit of calling 47 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:23,240 recently changed. And I asked you, and I asked you one of the questions I sent, like, like 48 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:28,880 what is your calling? And I let you interpret that however you want to interpret that. The 49 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:33,600 kind of, we were talking about how, what about your work as a project manager and like what 50 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:40,080 you did before that and then what you do with the church. So like, how would you define your 51 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:41,080 calling? 52 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:45,560 Yeah, I think that's, that's a great question. I think I probably haven't realized it until 53 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:52,640 lately, maybe the past handful of years, but I think it's definitely helping people, whether 54 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:58,000 that's realizing potential or helping them through a tough situation. I feel like a lot 55 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:05,480 of my life, my adult life, at least I've spent figuring myself out where now I think I have 56 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:10,120 a pretty good understanding of like who I am and, and, and what I'm good at where now 57 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:15,600 I can sort of pass a little bit of that knowledge and wisdom onto other people. I've lived a 58 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:20,620 really long life for only being 33 years old. I've just had a lot of really interesting 59 00:05:20,620 --> 00:05:26,160 and odd and great and terrible experiences. So I feel like I have a lot of experience 60 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:32,040 with different situations and different things and I'm very much a self starter. So helping 61 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:36,200 other people get started with something or helping them realize a passion or unlocking 62 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:42,880 their potential seems like a lot of fun to me. And I feel like as of recently, things 63 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:50,040 are just more about people instead of myself. So connecting with people, serving, helping, 64 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:53,860 helping build things is definitely, I think my calling or at least where I'm being drawn 65 00:05:53,860 --> 00:05:55,880 to at this current moment. 66 00:05:55,880 --> 00:06:02,440 And like you mentioned about just now and, and, and when your texts that we're talking 67 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:07,800 on that you like that you say like you love believing in people and helping them get started 68 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:11,480 on a journey. So like, how do you do that practically? Like, what do you, like, what 69 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:12,480 do you mean by that? 70 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:16,800 Yeah. I think a lot of people see the stuff that I do when it's like a cycling thing or, 71 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:20,080 or backpacking or running or maybe photography or something like that. And they're always 72 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:22,640 like, wow, that's so cool. Like, I wish I could do something like that. I hear that 73 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:26,240 so much. I wish, I wish I could do that. Not just the things that I do, but just things 74 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,440 in general, right? We're just chatting and conversation. Oh, that'd be so cool. And do 75 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:34,760 that. I'm like, let's do it. Yeah. Like, why can't you do it? Why can't we do that? Brandon's 76 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:38,560 a really good example. This Brandon major. He, we talked about this on his podcast. We're 77 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,960 going to talk about a little bit more next time I get with him, but a handful of years 78 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:46,000 ago he was like, I want to be more outdoorsy. I'm like, cool, let's go do it. And he's like, 79 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,560 well, what are we going to do? I'm like, I'm going to throw you into the fire. Like, let's 80 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:53,360 just go backpacking. Let's like, let's do that. Let's go on backpacking trip. Let's strap 81 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:57,680 all a bunch of gear to kayaks and go down the river for a couple of days and do that. 82 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:01,960 And he was like, dude, my dreams to go to the Grand Canyon and see it. I'm like, okay, 83 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,880 we're going to go five years from now. We're going to do a big five year plan, but instead 84 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:09,760 of seeing it, we're going to like experience it. So let's, let's go rim to rim. Let's start 85 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:15,360 on one side and go through it. Okay. See, see the canyon by being inside of it and then 86 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,840 summit on the other side. So we're actually going to do that this September, but that's 87 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:23,960 something that's like, that's something practical. Like if I, if I know something about what 88 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:28,400 you're interested in or what you want to do, then I have a really good frame of reference 89 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:32,280 to pull from and to help you out with that. And if it's something that I don't know anything 90 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:36,200 about, I love to learn. So I'll learn about it with you and I'll take that journey with 91 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:39,040 you. You know, like a lot of my friends are like, I want to get into this or that. I'm 92 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:42,200 like, I don't know anything about it, but let's do it. It'll be, it'll be fun for me 93 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:46,760 too. You know, it's like as like another arrow to the quiver of things that you're knowledgeable 94 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:50,040 about or you're good at. And then you could pass that information on to other people and 95 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:57,240 help them out. Yeah. That's awesome. I think that's really cool. Like that, I think that, 96 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:02,720 I mean, that's a special quality to have to be, to not just want to learn how to not to 97 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:06,320 love the learning. I love learning and I love helping people, but the way you're doing it 98 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:14,400 is definitely, it's in a more physical sense, I guess. Like with like the hiking and stuff 99 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,520 like that, like in that, in that sense, I'm sure there's other ways that you can do it 100 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:25,760 too. The, how did you, how did you find out that like you, that was a passion of yours 101 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,360 like helping people with it? Just something you started doing, it just like popped up 102 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:32,360 in your head and that you're like, why can't you do that? Or like, what, is there any backstory 103 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:33,360 to that? 104 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:37,080 I wouldn't say there's like one specific moment, like one of those aha moments where it was 105 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:40,600 like, oh, this is what I want to do. I think it's more or less that I just grew up doing 106 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:48,560 a lot of, just a lot of things. And as I made more friends or even just thinking about my 107 00:08:48,560 --> 00:08:53,440 two brother-in-laws, like they were into fishing and backpacking and stuff like that. But then 108 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:57,080 we, we started going on these adventures and starting, started to do like bigger things 109 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:00,420 and kind of just helping them out with some stuff. And they helped me out with, with understanding 110 00:09:00,420 --> 00:09:05,920 different things. I think just, just over time, it just struck me as this would be really 111 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:11,640 cool to help people with, with experiences or help people just kind of unlock things 112 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:15,520 in them that they might, you know, they might not think that they can do or they don't believe 113 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:19,840 in themselves. I think, I think everybody has a little bit, a little bit more inside 114 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:24,320 of them than they think. So yeah, yeah, definitely not like one specific experience or something 115 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:28,040 like that, but, but it's, it's really cool doing stuff with people. I have a friend right 116 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:32,600 now, he wants to ride, go on like a, if you're into cycling, it's called a century ride, 117 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:36,680 100 miles a century. So that's like a big thing like for, for cycling. Like that's like 118 00:09:36,680 --> 00:09:42,880 a, that's definitely like a good accomplishment if you're into riding bikes. So he was like, 119 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:46,120 dude, I want to, I want to do that. I'm like, all right, let's do it. Like I'll tell you 120 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,880 exactly how to train. We're going to go ride that. So he's been working on that this year 121 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:52,240 and hopefully we're going to knock out a hundred mile ride. I can do that with him and see 122 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:57,760 him to the finish line. So it gives me, it gives me a lot of satisfaction, you know, not, 123 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:02,320 not selfishly, but just you're, you're completing something or a goal of yours and I can walk 124 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:06,760 alongside you with that. So it's, it's fun to help people. And it's also, you know, it 125 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:10,600 gives you satisfaction to help someone complete that goal. Right. It's like a two for one 126 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:18,040 special. Yeah. Yeah. The reason I was asking about like the backstory piece is because 127 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:23,520 I like, I like to think, I like to, pardon me, likes to dissect stories and like to see 128 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:28,400 like the story behind the person, the story behind it and like, and you answered it and 129 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:33,280 you answered that question. Well, I, as well, I'm wondering, like maybe for others that 130 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,960 are listening, we can do two parts for others that are listening that maybe are in that 131 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:41,040 spot where they're like, maybe there isn't something they want to do something. They 132 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:46,760 don't think they may have the imposter syndrome and anything or they it's maybe there's something 133 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:51,120 else holding them back. And maybe there was an answer that things that you've heard before. 134 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:57,640 Um, what we've kind of talked about some advice, but if like without, like, if they don't know 135 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:01,560 you directly, like what are some practical things a person can do for themselves? Yeah. 136 00:11:01,560 --> 00:11:07,880 I think, um, everybody's, everybody has a little bit of fear in them and it's, it's 137 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:12,600 hard to start some things, right? Um, I thought about this a lot too, is like the fear of 138 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,320 failure where a lot of times people don't start something because they're just scared 139 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,080 that like, they're not going to be able to finish it or complete it. Right. But what 140 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:23,800 I always say is that failure for me is not starting something that's, that's, that is 141 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:27,080 a failure because you're, you're doing a big disservice to yourself on something that you 142 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:30,220 could be great at, but you might not be good at it. And if you're not, if you're not good 143 00:11:30,220 --> 00:11:34,720 at it or if you don't get any kind of personal satisfaction or gain from it, um, you know, 144 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:38,560 dropping that isn't like failing. It's just like, Hey, this wasn't for me, but at least 145 00:11:38,560 --> 00:11:43,720 you started it, at least you tried and challenge yourself. So that's kind of, that's, that's 146 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:48,360 everybody's barrier to entry, I think, is it starts with fear. So my practical advice 147 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:54,280 for that is like, as, as easy as it is to say, like be brave and just step out and just 148 00:11:54,280 --> 00:12:01,720 do it. Like I'm not, or I wasn't, I've changed a lot, but I wasn't really like a big people 149 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:06,760 person growing up and I don't do well with big crowds, um, or like putting myself out 150 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:11,280 there to talk to people or meet people. But something I've been doing more the past couple 151 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:16,640 of years is like just saying hi to people, talking to people more. And it's, you know, 152 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:20,880 that's, that's something that was hard for me, but I had to just start doing it. And 153 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:25,640 after a while it just becomes second nature. Yeah. So I think, yeah, being brave and just 154 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:31,240 getting started is the best thing you can do. So just don't think too much about it. 155 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,400 I mean, if you're getting into something very specific or technical, like it's probably 156 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:36,680 a good thing to know kind of what you're getting yourself into, right? Like you don't want 157 00:12:36,680 --> 00:12:39,760 to just be like, I want to go base jumping and then just start jumping off a building. 158 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:43,000 Like you probably don't want to take a few more easier steps between now and then. Right. 159 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:47,520 But, but other things like running or, um, like you, you code, right? I mean, just things 160 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,080 like that. Like if you want to get into it, like just do a little bit of research, but 161 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:53,640 don't let that paralyze you. Just try to learn a little bit of it and then just get started. 162 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,960 You'll learn along the way and whatever happens, happens after that. But at least you, at least 163 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:04,440 you can say you tried. Yeah. That's really good advice to say that failure is not starting. 164 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:08,120 It's the failure to start. I remember whenever you were like, when I was talking about Brandon 165 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:12,680 and like, like you were talking about breaking into steps, the, I think when you start, when 166 00:13:12,680 --> 00:13:16,600 I think people don't start a lot of time because they, they see the end vision. They see where 167 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,400 they want to, they say where they want to be. And they're like, man, I can never make it 168 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,920 there. Sure. And then the reason they don't start is cause they never think they don't 169 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:28,360 really necessarily think about the easy steps that they, the easy thing that they can do 170 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:33,400 to, to get to that point. Like maybe the barrier to entry isn't really that big. Yeah. And 171 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:42,000 it's just the entry or even just barrier to start. Like the coding barrier to start is 172 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:46,840 very low because all you have to do is like go to YouTube and look up how to code and 173 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:50,640 like you're good to go. Access to some kind of device, right? To code on. But yeah, there's 174 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:54,440 nothing too crazy. You got to get into, you have to buy 20 grand worth of equipment, right? 175 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:58,560 Right. You want to get into running, you got two legs, right? Get running, you know, you 176 00:13:58,560 --> 00:14:02,560 don't have to, yeah, it's nice to have a good pair of running shoes and, and to have, you 177 00:14:02,560 --> 00:14:07,440 know, nice running gear and equipment or whatever. But it's like, you can go out and do it like 178 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:11,480 cycling. Same thing. You don't need a $10,000 carbon fiber bike to do it. You got a bike 179 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:17,000 start running your bike. You can upgrade it later, but just get started. 180 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:23,200 Think the one thing you mentioned in your, another one thing you mentioned in one of 181 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:29,560 your texts that you say you love to endure. Yeah. I Googled the word indoor just to see 182 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:36,440 what it would say. And the Cambridge dictionary, the first thing that comes up is to suffer 183 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:42,800 for something difficult, unpleasant or painful. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. Love it. So like, 184 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:49,120 what do you mean? Like you love to endure, like go into that. Yeah. It's interesting. 185 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:56,160 I mean, I can break this down into kind of two different things. Yeah. I guess to start, 186 00:14:56,160 --> 00:15:01,240 I like to really physically challenge myself. And whenever I say that, I mean, like it's 187 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:05,000 fun to have like a good workout and a hard workout or do something like that whenever 188 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:09,000 you're gas. But I like to be on like the brink of like collapse. I don't know why. I mean, 189 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:13,240 there's definitely like probably like masochistic to a point, but it's, it's something that 190 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:18,760 weirdly gives me joy. I like, I love seeing how far I can push myself, like really how 191 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:23,160 far you can go. I think I mentioned this to you whenever we were texting back and forth, 192 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:27,720 that I feel like people have so much potential and they have so much like inner strength 193 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:33,080 or like inner like inner brains and like, and you know, they're smart, but people don't 194 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:37,720 push themselves enough to kind of unlock that. It's really cool to see what you can do whenever 195 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:42,040 you really, when you really push yourself onto like that brink of like, am I going to 196 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:47,800 make it out of here? You know, I'm not saying like death, but it's really interesting whenever 197 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:52,420 you, you kind of get past the point you didn't think you could go and that unlocks a whole 198 00:15:52,420 --> 00:15:57,080 new thinking in your mind is like, man, I can really accomplish a lot more than I ever 199 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:04,840 thought or imagined I could. So I try to do stuff regularly that makes me get to that 200 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:09,800 point. And I feel like that it's really good for just like building character, building 201 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:13,720 inner strength, building confidence and belief in yourself. And then that's stuff that you 202 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:17,560 can pass on to other people or you can be like a model for other people to look at. 203 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:21,240 And you know, I mean, it's not, I don't do it for people to be like, Oh, like, look, 204 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:26,360 he's so like strong or whatever, but I, I do a lot of the stuff where part of me is 205 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:31,240 really just wanting to inspire people to, to do it themselves or to like take a challenge, 206 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:36,000 like take a risk on something. Yeah. I also think like, I know a little bit ago for those 207 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:41,680 who don't know, Lee and Rob mentioned it, but he was like, he recorded, he, he was like, 208 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:46,480 it was like the day before that you guys were leaving for the bike ride. Yeah. And that 209 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:51,920 was like 390 some miles. 392. Yeah. Yeah. Man. I almost got that. Yeah. You were close 210 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:58,200 actually. That's really good. Like that was like, I was, I was looking at that and I was 211 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:02,880 like, man, I was like, it made like, like, it made me, I think maybe want to figure out 212 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:07,360 how to get back on my bike. Yeah. Cause like, I love that. I have my, like, I've been talking, 213 00:17:07,360 --> 00:17:14,200 you know, Chaz, Chaz Du Bois and he, I love his last name. He's a great name. But he, 214 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:18,080 but like, I'm talking, I try, I talk to him every now and then on Sundays and stuff. I 215 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,880 thought like, what can we do to like get me on a bike? Cause like, I can't grip for too 216 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:28,320 long, but like, what can I do? And then when I get my leg figured out, then I was like, 217 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:32,120 what can I do? You get, what do I have to do to get out back on the bike? I use, I, 218 00:17:32,120 --> 00:17:35,840 I was, whenever I was furloughed for three months, like I went back when I saw that, 219 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:40,960 I went back to when I was furloughed for three months, like during COVID and I, like I went 220 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:44,800 for a bike ride like every day. I went to the same trail, but like, I would go like, 221 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:49,480 I would go like every single day and like popping the podcast or music and it was great. 222 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:53,760 And like, I like that, that is a big part of my life that I miss. I'm like, man, it's 223 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:58,200 like, man, I can't wait. I'm going to figure it out. Yeah. Like, cause I'll help you. Yeah. 224 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,560 We'll figure something out. Dude, I appreciate that. Like I, like, I want to get back on 225 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:09,520 my bike. Like that's like, that's a goal of mine. Let's do it. The, man, I really like, 226 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:16,880 I like the, whenever I looked up the like, like endurance has to suffer. Like the first 227 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:21,440 thing I read, I was like, man, I was like, I was like, that's like the harshest like 228 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:25,200 thing that I, I was like, I didn't think that was going to come up to like when I came to 229 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:32,680 indoor, but it makes sense. Cause like, like you're, like you're really stripping a lot 230 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:37,320 of stuff away. Like you're, you're, I have to endure the pain of like, a lot of it is 231 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:43,520 like you have to push through the mental barrier and that's painful. And then you have like, 232 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:48,480 if it's a physical thing, it's pushing your body to like, you know, for your muscles to 233 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:55,040 like tear apart and then for that, that to build for your muscles to build up. And it's 234 00:18:55,040 --> 00:19:00,400 like, I like it, it says to suffer some difficult, difficult, unpleasant or painful. And like, 235 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:06,840 I like that we're in, but like we're taking it in the context of like for a greater purpose. 236 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:14,760 And it's not like, like cause enduring can be enduring something truly awful, but like 237 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:18,000 the endurance that we're talking about, that you talk about, you know, people talk about 238 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,960 their endurance of like, how long can they run and stuff like that. And I never really 239 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,000 thought about it like that. I never thought about like, Oh, how long can they suffer for? 240 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:29,920 Yeah, that's what it is. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I've been, I've been on, I did 150 mile ride 241 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:35,400 one time I rode from Cumberland, Maryland back to Pittsburgh on the gap trail. That's 242 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:39,000 a great Allegheny passage. It shortened up the gap, but that was, that was kind of like 243 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:44,520 my first like real test of myself that I passed. I feel I actually failed a lot and like, I 244 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:48,400 shouldn't even say that because I just told you failure wasn't starting. But I mean, okay, 245 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:52,840 let's put it this way. I had some not so great experiences before that with cycling. And 246 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:58,280 that, that ride, that 150 mile ride was kind of like my last hurrah of can I, can I really 247 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:04,280 do this, you know, and do it well. And I had, I had a great day on the bike. It hurt. I 248 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:08,920 went through like three hours of like lightning and rain and mud. And it was miserable. And 249 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:13,640 I loved every second of it. And that, that really showed me a lot. That was back in 2020 250 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:18,960 about how I can push myself and circling back to the bike trip that you had mentioned. I 251 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:22,400 like to do one of those every year. So it's, I was trying to figure out a way that I could 252 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:27,520 tie something into something I'm good at. So I was, I'm pretty good at cycling. I'm 253 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:31,520 not, there's a lot of guys out there that are way better than me that are probably riding 254 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:36,360 on these streets where you live at every day, but I'm decent. I'm probably in like a top 255 00:20:36,360 --> 00:20:40,480 percentile of people that actually get out and ride. But I wanted to marry that with 256 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:46,160 something and I felt the need to serve or to give. So every year I pick a different 257 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:50,920 charity or cause I ride doing these long rides and I raised money for that. So that's kind 258 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:55,240 of how we got into that. And that's how I partnered up with the Amplify and we did the 259 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:59,000 fundraiser for the survival center with Rob. Yeah. Yeah. So that's kind of tying that all 260 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:04,280 back in together. And let me tell you that, that, that cycling trip that we took, I don't 261 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:08,120 know if you saw the videos or whatever. I had, I had a rough time. I suffered on that 262 00:21:08,120 --> 00:21:17,760 trip, you know? And I was battling a lot of, a lot of disappointment and pride on that 263 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:23,320 because it's been a long time since I've not like finished something whenever it comes 264 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:28,000 to doing something like this. Right. And I had two days where I had to pull the plug 265 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:38,800 short and I learned on this trip that it was smart for me to do what I did. And it also 266 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:45,320 isn't embarrassing because it wasn't a failure. Rob, Rob, who he was amazing on this trip. 267 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,520 So proud of him. He was able to keep finishing off those days. I couldn't say he kept us 268 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:55,560 going. Yeah. That kept it legit for the days were for finished to completion. But yeah, 269 00:21:55,560 --> 00:22:01,480 I just, Meg Croyle, she sent me a message and she was like, Hey, maybe this is like 270 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:11,000 God telling you that you can still attempt to like, to do something like things that 271 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,920 you enjoy while also taking care of yourself and showing other people that you can take 272 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:20,240 care of yourself while like still suffering through something. Actually, do you mind if 273 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,720 I pull up the message she sent me? I just want to, I want to read it because I'm not, 274 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,680 I'm not worrying that correctly. And I really want to make sure I do it justice because 275 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:30,360 she sent me such a really nice message. And it meant a lot. So let me, let me pull this 276 00:22:30,360 --> 00:22:35,100 up here real quick. And whenever I read that, it made a lot of sense to me. And it made 277 00:22:35,100 --> 00:22:40,640 me think about the bad time I was having and put it in a different perspective. Yeah. So 278 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:46,480 she said, she said, God's reminding you that you have no idea the power he is displaying 279 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:50,520 through you when you feel weak. Maybe there is someone watching who desperately needs 280 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:54,880 to know that you can stumble and keep going, that you can pursue serving others and take 281 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,280 care of your health at the same time. So even though I was having a really, really hard 282 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:03,080 time, you know, I was stumbling through something. It was, Hey, I'm still out here. I'm still 283 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:09,840 doing it. And I'm doing it smart, taking care of myself. And we made it through. And we 284 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:16,880 completed the mission. So I think a lot of times, you know, having endurance is not only 285 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:21,660 suffering through something, but it's also just taking the steps necessary, maybe taking 286 00:23:21,660 --> 00:23:26,280 steps back, doing what you need to do to finish something. I don't know if that makes sense 287 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:30,600 or not, but that's an interesting way to look at it too, I think. Yeah. Like when you say 288 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:35,520 taking steps back, you mean like, like for, like for me in that specific instance was 289 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:39,240 like pulling out one of the days, prioritizing my health so that for the rest of the trip, 290 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:43,520 I could complete the rest of it. You know, I didn't want to, I didn't want to die on 291 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:48,160 the first day. It was, it was really rough out there. It was like 106, 107 degrees out 292 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:53,720 there on the street. And I, I was probably very close to heat stroke. I was getting dizzy 293 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:58,840 on the bike and Rob had to hold me up at points and it was, I was in bad shape. So taking 294 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:02,840 a step back and being like, I shouldn't be doing this right now, even though that's all 295 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,240 I want to do. You know, I looked at it that time. I was like, this is embarrassing. I'm 296 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:10,040 the guy. I'm the guy that does this. And all of a sudden I'm out here on the first day 297 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:14,960 and I'm like, I'm weak, you know? So it was, it was hard for me to come to terms with that. 298 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,520 But, but you know, what kind of, what Meg said, and then just thinking more and even 299 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:23,840 just praying about it and trying to, trying to hear God, it was just like, Hey, you can, 300 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,480 you can still do this. Let's just do a little bit differently. You know, and it might, it 301 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:32,320 might look different. It might take longer, but that's what endurance is. You know, it's, 302 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:36,200 it's just sticking with something and it's like outlasting something for me. It was outlasting 303 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:42,160 the pain that I was having. It was outlasting my current condition and just bouncing back 304 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:48,040 and tackling it and finishing the job off. So I think that gives into a lot of endurance 305 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:49,040 too. 306 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:54,760 Yeah. And like this isn't just for the listener here. Like it's not just for like, we're not 307 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:59,120 just talking physical endurance. These are just examples that I have recently. Right. 308 00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:04,280 Yeah. And like it's cause like whenever we talk about like your calling, it's like you're, 309 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,720 if you want to pursue something that you're passionate about, it's not going to be an 310 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:13,600 easy thing to pursue. And there's going to be times when you need to endure and like 311 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,960 there's going to be times of suffering to be able to like, like to learn new, to learn 312 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:24,920 new things. There are going to be points of, I guess you air quote failure and like times 313 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:29,320 whenever you're going to learn new things and then have to deal with like learn new 314 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:36,560 mental strategies to deal with, deal with like whatever, whatever, whatever you have 315 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,240 to learn, whenever you have to, whenever you have to grow through in order to accomplish 316 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:49,080 what do you want to accomplish? The mental like, like mental endurance is like extremely 317 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:55,760 hard to like, you can't perfect it, but you can like get really like, like you can get 318 00:25:55,760 --> 00:26:00,040 really, you have to be, I think just like working out, you have to practice, you have 319 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,040 to practice, you have to keep doing it. And if you stop doing it, it's going to, it's 320 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:08,040 going to be hard to, you have to get back into it again. And I'm rambling a little bit, 321 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:14,720 but the, like what I'm saying, making sense. Yeah, for sure. I, yeah. I mean, I definitely 322 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:19,440 like what you said there, especially with like the mental endurance. It's, it's just 323 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,920 like you said, working out. I mean, your, your brain and your mindset is a muscle that 324 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:28,600 you have to work. The more that, the more that you can kind of push yourself places 325 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:33,520 or maybe outlast like a bad situation that makes you mentally tougher, that gives you 326 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:41,360 mental endurance. It sharpens you. And then whenever things pop up in your life down the 327 00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:44,960 road, you're like, you have a frame of reference. You're like, oh yeah. I mean, like this is 328 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:49,680 terrible, but like I've been through this before. Like we'll get through this. Yeah. 329 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:57,040 It makes, it makes some of the more mundane day-to-day agitations, maybe not feel so big 330 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,000 anymore. Right. It's just like, okay, like this is something that doesn't even matter 331 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,760 anymore. It kind of rolls off you because you have a little bit more, more mental strength, 332 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:08,280 you know, to get through some, some situations. Yeah, definitely. And I think I've talked 333 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:13,640 about this before too, but you know, endurance in your faith. Yeah. That's something we can, 334 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,680 you know, that's something we can definitely talk about. It's like, you know, you, you 335 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:21,560 can go to church and you can raise your hand for salvation. And then you can just be like, 336 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:27,040 cool. You know, wipe my hands clean. Like, you know, I'm saved. But it's like, you know, 337 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,640 where's, are you building a relationship with God? You know, are you, are you understanding 338 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,800 the way that, you know, things were designed to be? It's like, that's a lifelong process. 339 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,000 Yeah. And you're never gonna, you're never gonna fully get a hundred percent filled up 340 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,160 in that. Yeah. It's you're always, you're always learning, you're always praying. You 341 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:45,080 should always, always be talking to God. You should always be listening and serving and 342 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:49,320 doing things in the community. And that's, that's endurance. You know, I mean, it's like 343 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:54,640 you, everybody, everybody wants to thank God for the good times, but it's like, what happens 344 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,520 whenever someone passes away or you go through a really, really terrible situation. It's 345 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:03,120 like, do you have the endurance to stick through that to, while you're going through that hard 346 00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:07,240 time to keep praising, keep thanking God for everything that's good in your life, even 347 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,480 though you have something bad going on. So there's, there's endurance in so many things 348 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:15,520 in life that you can practically apply like some of the stuff to. Yeah. Yeah. I think 349 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:23,340 also like some, something to like, I like the concept, like stuff like this, it translates. 350 00:28:23,340 --> 00:28:26,040 It translates into different situations. Like you go into endurance in one area of your 351 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,560 life, it's going to translate to another area. So like, kind of like what you were saying, 352 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:34,400 like you mentioned already, like you, like, I'll use my own personal example of like me 353 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:39,440 going through my trials pain and like through my issues with muscular, muscular dystonia 354 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:45,880 and things like that. Like it's, I've realized that like there's the mental endurance has 355 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:57,120 excessively, like kind of exponentially grown within the last couple of years as my pain's 356 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:08,360 gotten worse. And it's like, I mentioned to you before, like, like Meg, like she mentioned 357 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,960 to me, like I guess the other day, like how, like when she looks at me, she doesn't see 358 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,360 a person and she didn't even think about how much pain I'm in. She thinks about all the 359 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:21,320 things I'm doing with the podcast and with the, and with my job or how I lead, how I 360 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:27,440 do with production and like, A, that's encouragement. And, but, and like B is like, it's me reminding 361 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:34,960 myself like, cause I'm dealing with this pain everywhere I go. And that it's the, like I 362 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:41,080 use that as like, like I know I've gone through, I go through, like, I get this podcast set 363 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:45,400 up and reach out to people to try and like get guests on the podcast. And before that 364 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:50,200 would seem very daunting to reach out to somebody in text and be like, and I feel like, I think 365 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,640 it's thinking like, man, I've done so much harder already. Like every day, like five 366 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:58,960 minutes ago, like I've done so much harder. Like I can do this. And like, it's not even 367 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,800 a thought and I don't even think about it anymore. Like it's like stuff like that would 368 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:08,320 affect me so much. It doesn't affect me anymore. And like, there's still things I'm like, like 369 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,560 I can be socially awkward, like a lot of people and like things like that. And like I'm learning 370 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:16,880 to, learning to like, grow my confidence and things like that. And building in like, like 371 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:22,120 comments like that, like Meg gave me, like, I don't see like a person in pain. I see like 372 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:27,720 this man that God has created and building, God has built. I'm like, that's like, I couldn't, 373 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:33,640 like, I couldn't have asked for a better compliment. Any, I have a couple closing questions, but 374 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:38,920 like, like based off of the conversation, do you have any like last things to say to 375 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,440 like the listeners to like people that are listening, maybe they're struggling, maybe 376 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:48,520 they want to, what if they, maybe there's somebody that would like to help a friend 377 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,520 out and help them indoor. 378 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:56,600 Yeah, for sure. I think, I think I touched on this a little bit earlier, but we'll summarize 379 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,960 it again, is that I think everybody out there wants to get started with something or wants 380 00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:03,360 to step out of their comfort zone and whether they even know that or not. I think there's 381 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:09,040 something that stirs inside everybody to take a chance or take a risk or go on an adventure. 382 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:18,640 So my advice is to either, if you know what you want to do, get started. Don't, don't 383 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:23,560 let fear hold you back. If you, if you don't know what you want to do, just keep, keep 384 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:28,000 exploring dabble in new things, try, try new things out. I think life happens outside your 385 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:32,560 comfort zone. That's a very popular saying, but it's such a very true statement. You know, 386 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:37,080 if you're, if you're very much stuck in a routine or in a rut, like just get out of 387 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,760 that. If you're inside a lot, just go take a walk in the park. Something's going to come 388 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,200 to you, you know, pray, pray a little bit. Something might come to you. But once, once 389 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:49,440 that comes to you, like that's, that's, that's a little spark. Let's, you know, let it catch, 390 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,720 let's let it create some members. Let's let it catch the logs and start a big fire. I 391 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,560 think that's how you need to kind of tackle things in life. So that's, that's, that's 392 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:02,640 my advice and definitely to surround yourself with people that are encouraging and that, 393 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,680 that believe in you. If you have a friend group where you guys, you know, it's a lot 394 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,480 of like subliminal dissing and kind of tearing each other down, haha, joking, but at the 395 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,240 same time it's like that, that can kind of, that can break down over time, right? Like 396 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:18,240 you need to be surrounded with people that, that believe in you, that encourage you. And 397 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,920 even if they have no idea how to help you get started or do something, at least they're 398 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,280 there for you to say like, Hey, if you're, if you're in, like, I'm going to support you 399 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:29,640 on a, on a how I can, but like, I will just let me know. So yeah, surround yourself with 400 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,280 the right people too. It's definitely a big key in life. I think. 401 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:38,000 Now that's, that's extremely true. We talked about that a lot. We've over like the lat. 402 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:44,560 This is episode 49, I believe. Really 49. Yeah. You've been hard at it. Yeah. Yeah. 403 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,760 It's been a ride. It's fun. Cool. There. Whenever, uh, with Sean and I, like we've talked, we 404 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,400 talked a lot, like with other people and like throughout the time, like we talked a lot 405 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:55,360 about community with a bunch of other people and always comes up a lot about surrounding 406 00:32:55,360 --> 00:33:01,440 yourself with surrounding yourself with the right people. And, um, like, and also, I think 407 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:06,760 it's also like from the other side, like try to be that person that is the right person 408 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:12,520 that other people want to surround themselves with advice. Like it's like, I don't know, 409 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,320 think about like, like, would you want to be around you? Like, yeah, that's a great 410 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:22,280 question to ask yourself. It's a, it, I don't know. I, I like that you brought that up. 411 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:28,360 I think it's a, some good, some good, like, uh, final advice to give just like, think, 412 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:32,200 yeah, think about that. Would you, would you want to be around you? Would you be, are you 413 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:37,800 encouraging? Are you loving? Are you caring? Do you, um, do you pray, do you pray for others? 414 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:48,520 Do you like, do you like, um, do you, do you do those things? And if, or if you don't like, 415 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:56,520 you can't think of me shrugged, but sorry about that. But, uh, if you don't like, think 416 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,720 about how you can start, like think about a friend that you could reach out to. And 417 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:04,000 like we talked about before in a while ago, uh, Brandon mentioned about speaking the gold 418 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:11,280 out in people and like speaking about like what you see in them, just giving them encouragement. 419 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,480 And like, we've already mentioned Meg a couple of times out, like how much like she does that 420 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:22,240 for us. So like, yeah, just think about, think on that and, uh, we're gonna do some final 421 00:34:22,240 --> 00:34:30,160 questions. So when it comes to personal growth, development, um, the things that like really grow 422 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:34,880 you, what kind of resources would you recommend or do you typically recommend to people? 423 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:43,040 Yeah. Um, the Bible. Yep. I mean, we laugh, but like for real, you get into the word. I mean, 424 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,800 that gives you a lot of tools to figure out who you are as a person and it kind of lays out the 425 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,920 structure of like how life should be. I think that's a great place to start. I've definitely 426 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:54,560 noticed my life's been a lot better since I've been consistently reading. Um, that's, that's, 427 00:34:54,560 --> 00:35:01,200 that's a good start for anybody. Um, non-religious based, uh, super polarizing figure, David Goggins. 428 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,200 Are you familiar? I've heard of him. Okay. Yeah. So, I mean, if you can, if you can deal with a 429 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:10,480 little bit of a little bit of graphic language, great motivator. He, his first book is called 430 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,480 can't hurt me. Okay. Uh, I read that whenever it came out in 2020, that book was like almost 431 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:19,840 like life-changing for me. Uh, really just taking like personal, personal accountability, um, kind 432 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:24,640 of like getting out of the, the pity party of maybe something that like you're going through 433 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,600 and just really focusing on like, okay, like I'm here now, like how can I make this better? How 434 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:32,800 can I better myself? Uh, super motivating book. So if you, if you can get, if you can get through 435 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:38,720 a little rough around the edges, uh, you know, language and things like that, he's, he's a great 436 00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:42,880 motivator. Uh, we were talking earlier about Huberman, Andrew Huberman. He has a, he's a great 437 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:49,440 podcast called Huberman Lab. Um, really cool. Just, uh, talking about health and, and science 438 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:54,320 based stuff like that. I listened to a lot of Huberman. Um, and there's just a lot of like 439 00:35:54,320 --> 00:36:01,040 off the wall stuff I listened to, or I recommended people, but Cam Haynes, uh, he's, he's a bow hunter 440 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:07,120 up in Oregon, but he does a lot of endurance sport and stuff like that. So he kind of meshes 441 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,080 those two things together and then gets a little bit in the faith and things like that. But he 442 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,600 has a lot of good guests on his podcast from a lot of different backgrounds and they, they talk 443 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:18,000 about life journeys and successes and failures. So I like listening to his keep hammering podcast. 444 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:23,200 Yep. Um, you know, that one. Yeah, it's a good one. Yeah. Yeah. I, I like a lot of endurance stuff. 445 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:27,040 So those are all my recommendations, but, but really, just like we talked about earlier, 446 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:31,760 wrap this all up again, tie it together. It's like, you might not be interested in cycling or 447 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:36,400 running or some of the stuff I'm talking about, but the endurance aspect of it translates to so 448 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:41,520 many other parts of your life. So you may listen to something that I'm recommending and be like, 449 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,360 oh, well yeah, I can apply that to this part of my life. Like, oh, I can see myself through this 450 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:51,040 difficult time going through by having this sort of endurance. Um, so I think, I think it all 451 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,880 connects and I think people might, might be more interested in things than they think they would 452 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,600 be. Right. So that's why I'm always like talking to people about like, oh, you should get into 453 00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,800 running. You should get into cycling. You like riding your bike. Like let's, let's get you into 454 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:05,040 cycling a little bit more. Um, cause there's a lot that you can take from, from sport, I think, 455 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,800 especially endurance sport that you can apply to the rest of your life. So that's why, that's why 456 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:15,120 I like to talk about that stuff a lot. No, that's fair. No, that's great. Um, so then don't know how 457 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:20,880 much you have listened to the podcast before. I've listened a bit. Okay. Um, like, so knowing the 458 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:25,920 guests that we've had on and like now that we've been on, who do you think would be a, uh, good 459 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,440 guest to be on the podcast? Have you had Ian on here? I haven't had Ian. Okay. That'd be a great 460 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:34,560 start. I would love, I would love to hear from Ian. I would love to hear, I mean, what a, what a smart 461 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:41,680 guy. Um, and just how much he knows about production and music, like musicality too. You know, he drums, 462 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,600 um, does production at church and runs the production team. Um, I would like to hear 463 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:53,200 just his story. I would like to hear maybe some, some stuff faith wise from Ian and just how he 464 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:58,160 kind of applies like, like what he does just in his day to day life to, to something greater than 465 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:03,040 just, you know, doing the sound or drumming. I think he would have a good, a good story to tell 466 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:10,400 and Cole Zimmerman too. Okay. Yeah. He's a, that guy is an absolute wizard with the camera. Um, 467 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:15,200 and just an overall amazing person. I got to know Cole really well over the bike trip that Rob and 468 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:19,200 I took because he came out and then did, you know, video and some, some stuff for the church. Uh, 469 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:24,560 but we became really, really good friends and what, what just a solid individual, really, 470 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:30,880 really funny guy. I mean, the, the level of care he had for us, uh, both mentally and physically 471 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,920 and helping us out through that trip, it really opened up my eyes to just a different side of him 472 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,880 that I didn't know about, you know, he's amazing with the camera, but he's also a really good 473 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:41,440 person. So I would say Ian and Cole would be two, two good guys to chat with and just get their 474 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:48,400 perspective on things. All right. Great. Well, Ian, you heard it here. For those who don't know, 475 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,960 he edits the audio. So Ian, you can leave that in. Shout out Ian, get on the podcast as soon as you 476 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:59,440 can. Let's go. Um, all right guys, thank you for listening to this episode of the pursuit of calling, 477 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:04,400 almost at the wrong name. Um, and, uh, if you haven't already, go ahead and share it out on 478 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:10,240 all your social medias. Give us a five star review on Apple podcasts or Spotify and leave a comment 479 00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:38,240 or review. All right. See you next time.