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Hey guys, how's it going?

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Welcome to this episode of Technically Short.

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In this episode, I got to sit down with Rob Gizowski, where he gets to talk about his

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calling and how it's changed and molded over time through experiences that were outside

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of his control.

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And we talk about really confidently pursuing your calling and then where the source of

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that confidence is coming from.

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Then towards the end, Rob gets a little bit vulnerable talking about a time when he wavered

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and what kept him on the right track so he can live confidently in his calling.

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All right, guys, get your notebooks out, pens, paper, and we'll see you in there.

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Hey guys, how's it going?

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So we're here with Rob Gizowski.

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You said it perfectly.

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Cool.

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I appreciate it.

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I appreciate it.

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There's like literally eight letters, but it's very intimidating.

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Just think of Mike Gizowski.

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Yeah, literally with Poptimus.

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Everyone says that.

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It's like, okay, Monsters Inc.

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Mike was out.

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I'm like, yep, just put a God in front of it.

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But yeah, guys, Rob here is a mentor, a pastor, a husband with his wife, Leah, who you'll

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hear from soon.

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He leads Amplify Youth, which has exploded within the last, what, six to 12 months?

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Honestly, yeah, five, five months.

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And what I find crazy is they amplify youth Instagram has blown up to 400 plus followers.

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400,000 plus followers.

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40,000, 41,000.

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41,000, sorry, 400,000.

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That would be, amen.

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Come on, you're speaking into existence.

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Let's go.

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This is something I want to jump into also a little bit later, but he's also a veteran

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and used to jump out of helicopters, which I think is nuts and awesome.

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But yeah, so Rob, for those who don't know you, for those who don't know much about you,

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who is Rob Getzelsky?

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Wow, what a question.

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Yeah, so the short version of it is like, I think I've tried to just walk, do what God

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wants me to do.

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And my life has been like every aspect, every turn, it's just like a service of people.

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So whenever, before I knew Jesus and became a pastor, I was, you mentioned it, there's

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a time I was in the military, there was a time where I was pursuing to be a police officer

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and be in law enforcement.

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I went to school for that.

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And so there's been every turn of my life, it's like, okay, how can I serve people?

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And it just seems to be a theme all the way through every single thing that I do.

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Little did I know, never would have believed I would have been, be where I'm at today being

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a pastor.

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But I think, you know, when people ask like, okay, who am I?

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You know, obviously, like son of child of God, pastor, I could feel my pastor voice

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and mind coming out right now.

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So before I go too deep into that, no, I am, I'm ambitious.

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I just want for God's will, and I just want to have fun.

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And so a lot of that right now looks like sports.

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I'm in my 30s, man.

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I'm in my mid 30s.

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I like so just trying to stay on top of things, you know, into cycling.

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I love F1.

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Yeah, big F1 fan.

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Love hockey, basketball, all the standard stuff.

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But yeah, outside of technically short, I listened to a lot of F1 podcasts.

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And right now is just a really crazy season.

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So I don't have much time for a lot of things other than podcasts in my car and driving

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into the next thing, but it's a really fun time in my life.

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And yeah, pastor, veteran, and just love sports and love God.

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Yeah, it's awesome.

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I just popped in my head.

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I am.

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It's not actually what I didn't plan on bringing this up.

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I don't know.

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But like, there's a time that comes up with you that I tell people a lot about a lot.

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And like, you were the first, you and Leo were the first people that showed me like

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how to like worship in the home.

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Whenever we were there was often.

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And I think we were just hanging out and you had pizza and whatever.

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And you guys were like, you guys hear this song on YouTube with like the upper room or

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something?

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I was like, do you hear this?

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Like, no, I know.

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I listened to worship music outside of church.

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And I was like something about like the fire burn, like the Holy Spirit fire burning, everything

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else away.

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It's probably refiner.

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And like, Leo was like, do you know what that means?

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Do you know what they're saying?

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And I'm like, no.

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And I guess I always think back to that because that itself was like a reforming, like a refining

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moment for me to remember like, yeah, I can worship at home.

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I can do that wherever I'm at.

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This is kind of fun that I, again, I wasn't expecting to go into that at all during this

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conversation, but it's just like, that's just something I always tell people that I whenever

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we talk about worship or something, that's something that pops in my head a lot.

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I think something that will probably come up a little bit later, so I won't spend too

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much time on it now.

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But I think one of the challenging things as Christians and people who are following

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God and whether it's in their leadership or it's in their life, I think the hardest thing

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to do is to bring that into all the other aspects of your life.

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A lot of us, especially people who are doing, walking out Sundays, it might not feel as

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difficult, but even for pastors it's difficult, but for all of us as Christians to take that

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into the workplace, to take that into the office, to take that into the home, it almost

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feels like it's an additional thing, like you're doing it on top of.

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That's just not the right mindset.

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The right mindset needs to be, hey, that comes first and then everything else follows it.

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Honestly, one of the things that we hope to do, it's really ironic that you say that,

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once we're finishing our basement.

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And so one of the big things that we're really excited to have whenever that basement's

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finished is a bigger space to do things like that, have people over and do little worship

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sessions and just board games, all the fun stuff at the same time.

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But yeah, it's integrated into every part of your life.

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I don't know if you've heard me say it before in different episodes, this podcast is different

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and it's generally about giving people the tools they need to discover and pursue your

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God-given calling.

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And I try not to market it as purely a Christian podcast, but God comes up all the time because

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that's just who I am.

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It's part of the reality.

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And I just hope that people that listen, that maybe don't have faith, still stick around

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and listen.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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I think the one thing that is true, whether you're a believer or not, that it's literally

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like, let's say somebody picks up the Bible and doesn't believe that that's scripture.

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The reality is though, is the Bible is filled with wisdom, even from a secular standpoint.

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And so I believe that even though there's going to be terminology and there's going

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to be use of words that are very Christian, being a Christian pastor, I think that there

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is core concepts that would bless you, whether you know God, believe in God, or you don't.

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I think a lot about calling and previously you were mentioning about all the different

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things that you've done or even like you were first trying to be a police officer, you're

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in the military and now you're a pastor.

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And you're leading Amplify Youth with your wife.

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I mentioned previously this is a podcast to help people with their calling.

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What do you believe your calling is?

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How do those things kind of, you said you're here to serve, that was always your focus.

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How does that kind of feed into your calling?

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Have you ever watched the show Manifest?

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So I watched like three episodes, I got weirded out and I'm just like, you know what, I'm

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not watching this anymore.

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But there's like this, the calling and it's just this voice that like speaks to them and

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all these things.

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And from that moment I was like, okay, like, is that what I sound like when I'm walking

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around me?

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Like, how is that my calling?

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Like, do I sound like them?

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But obviously I don't think that's true.

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But I think, you know, when we speak about calling, I think something that's just very

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clear is like, you know, just to bring it into maybe a little bit of different terms

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is just like your purpose, you know, like what has God purposed you to do?

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And so I do believe that, you know, I used the word service before, but more specifically,

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I believe God has specifically called me and purposed me to pastor, to father and to build.

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And we can deep dive into those bad boys as we go.

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But I think, you know, knowing what God wants you to do or what His purpose is for you,

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or even if, you know, once again, like just what is your purpose here on this earth is

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really rooted in what you believe, you know.

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And I didn't know necessarily all of those things.

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You know, I've noticed trends before, maybe like six years ago I was like, oh, there's

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a trend in my life that I see that I just like keep falling into wanting to serve people.

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And sometimes like that's like, oh, is that just a trend?

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Is that something that I enjoy?

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Like, what does that look like?

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But I also have noticed, you know, more so over the last four or five years where it's

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like, no, like there's times where God is specifically like, this is who you are, and

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I'm putting this in your heart and here's what I want you to do.

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And so I think when I think about my purpose or my calling, I think those things have been

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given to me by God.

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But also I do believe there are things that, you know, I'm equipped to do.

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And so, but the thing is, is like for me, it's like, it's not the comfortable things

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typically.

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You know, I think, I think a lot of times we get caught up in thinking, oh, the things

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that I'm good at in that little box, my calling must be in that box.

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Right?

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Like, oh, I'm a, I don't know, I love technology and I can code.

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So that means that like my purpose has to be in that box.

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And it's like, not necessarily like it's how you use that.

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It could be even so far out of that box.

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life, you know?

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lead people.

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And there's me, introverted me like, oh no, no, don't put a microphone in front of my

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You know, like all, all these things.

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And so, yeah, I think kind of getting back to your thing of like, Hey, like what's your,

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what is your, your calling?

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What is your purpose?

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I think it's really rooted in, okay, like God has, God has called me to be a pastor.

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He's put, he's put that heart in me.

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He's put that desire to care for people in me.

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or two is that he wants me to build.

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And that looks like a number of different ways in my life, but yeah, he, he, he wants

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me to build, um, you know, you know, sometimes it's ministry, sometimes it's, uh, organizations,

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sometimes it's people, you know, and, and each one's different, but yeah, he's definitely

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called me to be a builder.

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That's really cool.

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Like, yeah, I'm just like a builder.

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That's like, that's a cool way to put that.

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That's a cool way to say that just like, cause like a lot of people will say like when they're

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calling it, I know it's typically pick up location.

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And like to tip, uh, they'll pick a, like a job or a career path.

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Um, and, and I think like, I've talked to a bunch of people about calling and purpose

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and things like that, um, throughout the life of this podcast and like, there's like people

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have said, Michaela and like Kendall both have said, like, yeah, they're calling goes

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with you everywhere you, everywhere you go, not just for this one particular thing.

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And that, that I think is like, that's what, that's how I think about it.

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Like your calling is like, um, like, I like what John Maxwell says.

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See, like people like tell him, like ask him when he's going to retire.

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And he's like, what do you mean?

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I can't, like, when am I supposed to stop?

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Like, you mean I can't, this is my calling.

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You can't retire from a calling.

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And, um, tonight, uh, I just really liked that you put that, put it in that context,

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um, instead of like, yeah.

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either.

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Like I have a calling to be a pastor.

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Um, cause like that's something I had talked about in his episode about like other pastors,

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like saying, I want to be, I'm calling to be a pastor at this particular church.

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And that can be true, but, um, yeah, I think, you know, and I think, you know, whether you're

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talking inside the, you know, the spiritual church context or you're not, I think, um,

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I think callings shift, you know, shift in mold.

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I do believe, like if God's put something like, here's your purpose.

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I think that sometimes it's very specific.

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Like you said, like, I think there's times where, um, you know, I'm kind of in a transitional

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part of my life or something and I'm like, okay, God, like, what's the next thing?

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Where do you want me to go?

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Where do you want me to walk through?

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Um, and when, when we do that, I think there came, sometimes there's something so specific.

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He's like, you need to be the pastor here, you know, like, or like, this is what I'm

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going to grace and this is what I'm going to bless.

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And it's like, okay, okay, that's what I'm doing.

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Okay.

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I got you.

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And then there's other times where it's like, you know, um, you know, when I, the whole

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builder, um, speaking on that, I think like where that really came to fruition was as

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I, you know, at the time I was a pastor and, um, we really in a season of like, okay, like

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finding, you know, my voice and certain things, but also finding out like, okay, like he wants

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me to, to step further into this aspect of pastoring.

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And, um, and in that moment he was giving me a word.

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Um, and you know, it wasn't, he didn't necessarily say builder, um, but it was actually like

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through being a through building, but also through creativity, um, through those two

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things.

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Um, I started to see this like trend and theme that he was showing me in my life and, and

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builder kind of just like encapsulates it all.

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Cause when we think creativity, we always think like painting and visual arts and graphic

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design and all these things.

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And those are all very true, but also like, you know, Jesus was a carpenter, like he was

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that's creativity, like, um, and building something.

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And so I think, um, you know, when I think of being a builder, it's like, yes, there's

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times where God's like calling to that specific thing that of building.

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Um, but when I say builder, I think it's, it doesn't mean that my purpose is over when

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that, when that mission's done.

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Like if he picks me up out of that and moves me somewhere else, it's like, no, you're still,

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you're still builder.

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You're building somewhere else, you know, or, or different.

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Um, and so, you know, I think that's one of those things where it's like, yeah, pastor,

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yeah, builder, but I think, you know, that can look different in different contexts.

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I like the, uh, you said, um, creativity, but that made me think of there, this children's

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book that Jordan Rainer wrote and, um, he wrote a book that I read, um, called redeeming

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your time.

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See yellow one up there, but, uh, he wrote a children's book called the creator in you.

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And it just like, kind of just telling children about like, it's like telling people are like

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God, he's the creator, but then he also created us to create.

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And um, and I think, and I, you know, that was a whole book just talks about like in

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the, in the children's context of like what you can, what they can create, what things

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they can do.

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Um, I guess I was cool context.

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We, we lit like something that, you know, that I think is really shown in this is like

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we, we limit ourselves, um, you know, all of the time because we put ourselves in a

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box or other people put us in a box.

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Um, you know, for so long where, you know, I was, and I still am, I have, uh, I'm blessed

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to have an operational mind, you know, a very logical mind.

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I can create systems and all of these things, um, really well.

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And praise God for that.

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I, but I think if I just sit there and I just say, okay, that's, that's what's comfortable.

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That's what I, that's where I'm looking for my purpose.

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That's where it's the only, that's the box I'm going to live in.

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Then we limit ourselves.

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And so when I'm, what I'm not saying is, is like go around and just start looking for

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all the things and, and, and searching, I think a lot of like the searching piece of

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like, Hey, what is my calling?

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Like if you're in a season where you're like, I'm not sure what it is.

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Right.

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Um, or it seems obscure right now.

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I think a lot of the times where we go searching, we go searching in the wrong places.

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We either stay so tight into this one little box of like, this is what, this is what I'm

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good at and comfortable and I'm not going to look anywhere else or we go searching in

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all the wrong places.

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And I, and so, um, the two places that are the one place that obviously I would communicate

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like where, where should you find your purpose?

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It's in God and seek him.

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And so there's, and that's not easy.

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There's times where it's like there's months and months and months and I'm like, okay,

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God, I've been praying.

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I've been talking to you.

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I've been trying to like figure out what's next or what's the night where you really

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want me to be.

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And it's just silent sometimes.

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And so I think, you know, we, we can't limit, um, we can't limit what we believe God wants

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to do in our, in our hearts or with our purpose or anything like that.

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Cause if I did that, then, um, I would probably just be operationally doing things, you know,

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um, but sitting there and when he says, no, I want you to go lead a whole church and it's

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like, okay, sure.

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And like taking that step of faith of like, all right, I'm going to do that.

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Um, that's scary.

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And it's not, it's, that is not the place I went and went looking for my purpose.

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Right?

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Like if I would, if it was up to me, I would go and went looking at like PNC bank or some

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other financial institution or some other big organization to, to be an executive there

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or something.

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Um, but you know, he had different plans.

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Yeah.

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And I think that's really, I, I, I think that's interesting because like, I think that I'm

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trying my goal and I've talked about it on here before about like, I want to be a life

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coach.

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I think I mentioned that I mentioned that to you before and that's right now, like this

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is like what I'm doing right now.

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This is like this podcast and eventually we're going to rebrand it.

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It's like, it's more focused towards that.

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Um, and hopefully getting more, um, ears and maybe eventually eyes, um, through having

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a name that resonates with that.

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But the, by the way, I, the way that's even started was I would listen to a, I was listening

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to a PewDiePie video and he would get a book review on Nicky B, Nicky BK and ethics and

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by Aristotle and he just did a book review, which is like, you wouldn't expect PewDiePie

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to do that, but he did.

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And I was like, Oh, that's really interesting to talk to you like thinking about, like figure

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out how people understand trying to understand how people think and why they do the things

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that they do and that just laid me on the trajectory to like, kind of just want to understand

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people more.

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Yeah.

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And like, and I still haven't read through the whole, that whole book because it's so

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dense because Aristotle was like really just like he's dead.

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It was all a dead stuff.

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But, uh, but like, and that just sent me on a trajectory, but I can pinpoint when I was

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like, Oh wow, that's pretty cool.

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And I wasn't even thinking about like, Oh, that I, at that time I was even thinking about,

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Oh God must, must, must, must me to walk in this direction.

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It was just like, it was just this, just interest I didn't know I had.

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And as it like, and then I think like that for me was like, that was a plant, a seed

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that got planted at some point.

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Yeah.

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It was like just waiting for it to, um, to take some root and show it, show it, just

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show a little, like it showed like the leaf popped up out of the soil.

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Yeah.

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No, that's so good.

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I, and I don't know if I have the words, um, right now to describe exactly what I, what

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I think I'm like, I want to the picture I wanted to paint, but I think something that's

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so what I believe is, is that we always want to have the title, not, okay.

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That's not the right word.

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Cause I don't, I don't mean like a job title or anything like that, but it's like, we want

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the defined thing before we actually start walking towards it or we start to set goals.

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Cause I'm a planner.

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I love, I love like, Hey, okay.

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Here's all the things that, you know, we're human.

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We want control of things.

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And so when, before I've really started to learn this myself, I, it was like, okay, what's

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the end goal?

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The end goal is to be a pastor.

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Okay.

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What does it look like to be a pastor?

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Let me do some research.

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And then it's like, okay, like here's the step one, here's step two.

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And so often when, especially when God's working in it, um, but also, you know, when you're

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just looking, okay, what's my purpose?

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And when we want that defined thing, like this is what I'm going to be here is how it's

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going to look.

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And you want to do all the steps.

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And it's just like, it doesn't work that way half the time.

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And so like, when you're sharing your story, it's like, man, it just, like, it just kind

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of came up and I started doing this and I did that and I did this.

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And like so often that's what it looks like.

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And um, you know, cause even in my life, when, you know, when, when, what led quickly to

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being a pastor was just like, I wanted to know more about God and I wanted to share

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it with people.

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And so what did that, what that looked like was just like, Hey, getting in groups of people,

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I have a guy, small group have a, have, be a part of serving in the college ministry.

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It just looked like these little things that I ever say, Oh, I want to be a pastor.

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No, I never literally never came out of my mouth probably until maybe like a week, like

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the week I was asked to like, Hey, is this something you'd be interested in?

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And honestly, and I think, um, I think that's how it works.

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A lot of the times it's, it's like, you know, God's guiding you through those things.

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Um, and when we try to make it up ourselves, we take control of it and we kind of limit

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what God wants to do with us.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I don't even know where to go from here.

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Um, it's just, I got, I don't know.

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I love talking about calling.

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That's what I want it like the podcast to be about.

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I'm just like, right.

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So on that topic, then like we're talking about like, okay, what did you mention before?

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Like, where do you find your, like, where do you find your calling?

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What are the things that you find in God?

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Like, what are like, what's like the, if you, if you could take a practical for something

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practical and be like, how can someone actually know that they're on the right path?

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They're like, Hey, I'm actually like working towards something that you're working in on

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calling or working towards something.

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Yeah.

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Um, I don't think there's a straightforward answer to that, but I think, um, you know,

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when, when you're walking in your calling, when you're walking in your purpose, um, you

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know, something that you want to say about it is, is that it will come, it will come

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together.

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It'll come smoothly.

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Okay.

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And that's just not the, that's not true necessarily.

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Um, cause there's going to be bumps in the road.

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There's going to be challenges.

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There's going to be times where you don't feel comfortable.

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There's like all of these things are going to happen.

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Right.

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So there will be a steadfast understanding, you know, in your, in your heart, um, that

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you are walking down the right path.

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And I, there's been so many times where, you know, even, you know, let my five years or

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so of being a pastor, almost five years, four and a half years of being a pastor, there's

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so many times where it's like, is this it?

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Yeah.

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Should I be doing this?

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You know, and questioning things.

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And, um, and that's okay.

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Like we're, when the minute we stopped questioning things and the minute we stopped, we just

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start believing that this is what we're, this is everything we're supposed to.

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Yes.

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There's, there's a good aspect of confidence, but when you start spilling into like pride,

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it's a whole different, it's a whole different ball game.

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Um, but how do you know you're on the right path?

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Um, from a, from a Christian perspective, you will continue to, you will continue to

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be confirmed in different things that God's doing, whether it's opportunities that come,

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whether it's him, him specifically speaking to you through other people or him speaking

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to you specifically in your prayer time or, or whatever it looks like, there's going to

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be confirmations and they're going to look different.

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They're not always the same thing.

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It's all over the place.

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Um, you know, speaking from a, you know, um, a secular standpoint, I think, you know, look

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at the fruit.

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Yeah.

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You know, I mean, that goes for both actually, you know, I think from a, from a Christian

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perspective, but also, um, from a secular perspective, look at the fruit, like what's

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coming out of it.

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Um, you know, there's going to be times where good things come out of things, you know,

457
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um, decisions that you make.

458
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,840
But when it comes to something that you're called to your purpose to, I mean, it overflows,

459
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,760
like it's, it's, it comes so abundantly, you know, okay, this is where I'm at.

460
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,160
It's where I'm supposed to be.

461
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:01,360
Um, and I'm not talking, I mean, it could look like finances, but it could just look

462
00:27:01,360 --> 00:27:02,360
like joy.

463
00:27:02,360 --> 00:27:05,060
It could look like, um, viewers.

464
00:27:05,060 --> 00:27:06,060
It could look like listeners.

465
00:27:06,060 --> 00:27:07,320
It could look like whatever it is.

466
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,960
Um, but it doesn't, it's not always that one metric.

467
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:14,280
Um, sometimes I believe people are purpose to do things that doesn't come into fruition

468
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:18,440
for years, you know, and they're like, they're sitting there, they're doing the thing and

469
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:19,440
they believe they're meant to do it.

470
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,200
And it just takes some time to, to come into, come into sight.

471
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:24,200
Yeah.

472
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:25,200
Hmm.

473
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:26,200
Yeah.

474
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:27,200
That's a really good answer.

475
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,520
I was asking that question and you were like, there's not really an answer to that.

476
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:30,520
I was like, yeah.

477
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:36,000
So yeah, no, no, I get, which I get like there really isn't like, I think, um, I think

478
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:40,720
it's kind of thing as you were like saying, as I could tell what you're leading, uh, it's

479
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:45,520
like, it's like for every person and for every person that you're, you're gonna use, you're

480
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,560
just at some point, I feel like you're, yeah, you say you're going to question it.

481
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:53,840
You're going to, you're going to wonder, you're going to want, you're going to want, you said

482
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:58,680
before you go in on one to know for sure every single step of the way, but that's literally

483
00:27:58,680 --> 00:27:59,680
impossible.

484
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:00,680
Yeah.

485
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,240
And I think when you think practically about it, it makes it even more difficult because,

486
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:10,200
what you do is, is your, your gut is, is to go to the numbers, go to the, go to the metrics.

487
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:14,320
And it's one of those things where it's like metrics and all of those things are good.

488
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:15,320
I'm the metrics guy.

489
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:16,800
I'm the guy that makes the graphs.

490
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:17,800
Like you know what I mean?

491
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,840
Like I'm the one that wants to know like all that information, but it's like, if you use

492
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:25,000
that information to determine whether something's your purpose or not, because of a result,

493
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,960
like you were just going to be results driven.

494
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,040
You're going to be, you're going to be fear-based.

495
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,080
You're going to be, you know, it's not going to, you're not going to, it's not going to

496
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:32,080
flow.

497
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:37,360
And the other thing I want to answer is like the, the like when you're stepping in, you're

498
00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:41,840
walking in your purpose and you're calling like, man, things, things just flow out of

499
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:46,520
you, you know, and like whether it's, whether it's your, the joy in your life, whether it's

500
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:52,160
your pursuit of whatever that is, your determination, your, your motivation, like those things will

501
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:57,360
like flow out of you as, as you walk towards those things, as opposed to like, you know,

502
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:01,280
just constantly be grinding, constantly be depressed, constantly striving.

503
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:07,800
Like when you, the fruit, bad and good fruit, just you got to identify it and identify it

504
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:13,080
when you're just going through a tough season or not, you know, it's, it gets, it gets challenging

505
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,280
and you can't look at every challenge as, oh, this means it's not what I'm supposed

506
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:17,280
to do.

507
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:18,280
Yeah.

508
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:19,280
Yeah.

509
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:28,040
I think that kind of like, I want to, I read reading my Bible this morning and it's my

510
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:32,480
John, it's my John Maxwell leadership Bible.

511
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:38,000
And it's like, uh, I'm in Ephesians and is this, is this, I want to, I want to do a whole

512
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:42,000
episode just on this one sentence, cause he's, he's at the end of this one little excerpt

513
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:47,680
he put, um, passion is the first step to, uh, to achievement.

514
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:54,080
And I think, I think about that, like if, yeah, if you're not, if you have the passion

515
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:58,720
to even start, but if you have the, like you have, like that's where it starts with like

516
00:29:58,720 --> 00:29:59,720
something internal.

517
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:04,240
I think that's a lot of like what they, what on the point he'll talks about on the thing,

518
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:08,840
you're a rich, like he said, like you, it starts with a thought and then it flirts and

519
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,760
it turns into this fire, this burning passion to like pursue something.

520
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:13,760
Yeah, that's good.

521
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,560
And you might not even know what that thing is.

522
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:21,920
Um, but like, you know, but like you start heading in a direction and then like you just,

523
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:26,440
and then like the, after you have the passion, you start and you just start going in any

524
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:32,160
direction and you just start, you start going in some way without knowing where you're going.

525
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:37,880
And I think Don Maxwell also says like, uh, the headlight of a car, like you're only,

526
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,480
you can only see, you can only see so far ahead of you when everything is dark around

527
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:46,280
you and the headlights only shine so far, but you keep moving forward because you know,

528
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,880
you know, you're going to be okay if you keep moving forward.

529
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:49,880
Yeah.

530
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:50,880
Um, yeah.

531
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,360
That's, that's really good.

532
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:53,360
Yeah.

533
00:30:53,360 --> 00:31:02,200
Passion is, uh, you know, it's, it's something that, it's something that burdens you so much,

534
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,640
you know, it's like something that it breaks your heart and that you have, it's where compassion

535
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:06,640
comes from.

536
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,120
But I think, you know, like when you have passion for something, it's like, it's the,

537
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:16,520
it's fueling you and, um, and you'll have passion for things that, um, you're meant

538
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,280
to, you know, um, that's really, really good.

539
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:20,280
Yeah.

540
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:25,520
And I think we touched on a little bit before, um, or at least we were almost kind of leading

541
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:35,280
to it, but, um, like we're talking about pursuit, like pursuit of the calling and like, I guess

542
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:39,560
we kind of have answered it, but maybe in more, maybe we can talk about it in more precise,

543
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:40,560
of a precise way.

544
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:44,120
Um, like how do you confidently pursue that calling though?

545
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:45,120
Yeah.

546
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:51,160
I think, um, one of the big things, um, once again, we, it's really easy to assess what

547
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,880
you're, what you believe you can do, um, in your own effort.

548
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,320
It's, it's really hard.

549
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:57,320
It's really easy.

550
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:01,920
I mean, to, to, to limit yourself and just, and see yourself only for what you see yourself

551
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:02,920
as.

552
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:07,640
And, um, and something that is challenging is, is okay, like, where do you get your confidence?

553
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:08,640
Yeah.

554
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:12,000
You know, and, um, you know, like you said, we've touched on some of those things already,

555
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,120
but you know, where, where do you get your confidence?

556
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:15,480
You get your confidence in the numbers.

557
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:20,280
Do you get confidence in the amount of encouragement you get from other people or good feedback

558
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:21,760
or whatever that looks like?

559
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:30,640
Um, and so I think, you know, being a pastor and, um, as my, you know, as my primary thing

560
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:37,080
that I'm doing right now, my main purpose is days and weeks and months and things like

561
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:38,080
that.

562
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:42,560
Um, if I, if, if that, if I did that, man, I, um, I'd be discouraged really, really quickly

563
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:49,040
just because there's a moment where it's like, Hey, you know, we have a service, you know,

564
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:53,040
God's moving, God's doing things, you know, people were saved, all of these things.

565
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,120
It's like, that's incredible, like incredible.

566
00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:01,080
And it's so easy to just take that, um, and almost forget it.

567
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:06,400
If the next day you find out like one of your students, you know, speaking about you is

568
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:11,760
like one of your students is, um, falling back into sin and is, you know, trying to

569
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:12,760
figure out what's next.

570
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,440
And you have to, you know, pastor them through that and all of these things.

571
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:19,600
It's so easy to just like get caught up in the one thing, you know, um, and not focus

572
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:23,440
on, you know, what God's doing in it at all.

573
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:24,440
Right.

574
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,600
And, um, and so we, we, we need to do to be confident in what we're moving forward.

575
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:34,800
And this is like, yes, understand what like metrics do, but, um, what you need to be able

576
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:40,560
to do is, is look at the numbers, um, but also look at, okay.

577
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:48,000
If everything was calm, I guess, if everything's going smoothly, um, and there's nothing, nothing

578
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,440
rippling, no, no challenge, no, no friction.

579
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,360
I would really question if that's actually your calling or your purpose.

580
00:33:55,360 --> 00:34:01,400
Um, because I don't know, it's, if you've been in this world, this world's ugly.

581
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:02,400
This world is sinful.

582
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,720
This world is full of a lot of evil things.

583
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,500
And the thing is, is like, if your purpose to do something that your purpose to do that

584
00:34:09,500 --> 00:34:14,400
because you're going to create change, you're going to create good where there's bad or,

585
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,280
you know, you're, you're there to, to move something forward.

586
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:18,560
You're there to improve something.

587
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,560
You're there to, to bring life to something.

588
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:26,040
And when you're just like, if you feel like you're just cruising and there's smoothness,

589
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:27,680
there's not, there's nothing happening.

590
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,640
Um, I would question whether, you know, that one, is that what you're supposed to be doing

591
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:35,120
or are you doing it the way that you're, you're meant to do it?

592
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:42,000
Um, because you know, there's, there's when you confidently are walking in something,

593
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,000
things have to shift.

594
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:44,000
Yeah.

595
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,000
Things have to move.

596
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,280
Um, and, and I think how do you do that?

597
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:52,040
It's constantly reminding yourself that it's not out of your effort.

598
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,000
It's out of God's effort, um, and God's strength.

599
00:34:55,000 --> 00:35:00,440
And the minute that you start to turn that scope and that focus back to you, you're going

600
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:01,440
to be disappointed.

601
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,440
Like, I'm weak.

602
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:08,440
Like I'm not like Rob Gazowski has who, who's Rob Gazowski.

603
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,600
Rob Gazowski as a pastor is terrible.

604
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,560
Somebody who can't, can't be perfect.

605
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,160
Can't be like, I don't have what it takes.

606
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,160
I just don't, you know?

607
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:23,720
Um, and I'm not, I'm not trying to be self-deprecating or anything like that, but with the reality

608
00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:26,880
is like, God has given me things.

609
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:31,320
Um, and he continues to show me things and refine me to be a pastor.

610
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,520
Um, there's been so many weeks where I should have been down and out.

611
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,040
There's so many months where I've should have been down and out.

612
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,000
Um, and he continues to supply.

613
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:44,120
He continues to supply, um, and continues to grace when I don't deserve it.

614
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,680
And, and so how do you walk in confidently?

615
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:56,840
Um, it is, it is taking the focus off of you and taking the focus off of just your skillset

616
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,800
and putting it into something greater.

617
00:35:58,800 --> 00:35:59,800
Yeah.

618
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:01,520
That's awesome.

619
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:09,240
Cause like, I honestly, like I was, I, I know, I don't know how you're going to answer the

620
00:36:09,240 --> 00:36:13,440
question and I was like, I like how your answer was just like, well, what, what, like what's

621
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,440
your confidence or where's your confidence coming from?

622
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:16,440
Yeah.

623
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,120
And like that, that was like one of the, probably the best, one of the best answers I could

624
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:20,120
have asked for.

625
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:25,920
Like honestly, just because like if you're like, yeah, because like I am, I, I'm a numbers

626
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:26,920
person too.

627
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:27,920
I like the metrics.

628
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:32,040
Like I went to, I, I, I host this, I host this podcast from a platform that gave me

629
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,600
metrics so I could watch them.

630
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,840
And um, I, I get stuck in that trap sometimes.

631
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:43,680
I look at the numbers, like, ah, man, this episode didn't do us good or Spotify showing

632
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,960
me that some people, people dropped off this early.

633
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:50,520
I'm like, it's just like, for me, like I'm learning to just use those as indicators.

634
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:51,520
Yeah.

635
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:52,520
They have value.

636
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:53,520
Right.

637
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:54,520
They have value.

638
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,440
It's, it's, yeah, they're, cause, cause here's the thing.

639
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,720
You know, I'm in ministry just using ministry as the, we can even use podcasting too, as

640
00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:07,840
an example is the, if you don't have the numbers and you're not looking at the numbers, then

641
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,360
everything you are saying is anecdotal.

642
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:14,040
And when it is only that you can describe it however you want.

643
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:19,240
Like you're, you're what you're gauging things off of is completely subjective.

644
00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:22,760
And so I, you know, both, you need both, you need both of them.

645
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:28,440
And so, yeah, you don't live and die on the numbers, but you also don't only rely on like

646
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,680
a subjective way of giving feedback.

647
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:31,680
You need both of them.

648
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:37,000
And, and so it's like this, the, the conversation pieces of feedback, those paint the picture

649
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:42,120
to what the numbers say and the numbers paint the picture to what, you know, and so, yeah,

650
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:46,280
we're going on a whole data, data thing, but no, absolutely.

651
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,520
I think you need the numbers in a podcast.

652
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,520
You need to understand where your viewers are coming from.

653
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:56,840
You need to understand, you need to know those things and they will drive more viewership

654
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:58,640
because you know those things.

655
00:37:58,640 --> 00:37:59,640
Use them.

656
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:00,640
It's beautiful.

657
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,040
Don't just sit there blindly and you know, you could do things, but use them.

658
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,720
But don't, don't, yeah, don't live and die off them.

659
00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:07,880
Don't make them your driver.

660
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,080
Don't make them your why.

661
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,120
Don't make them your, your feel.

662
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:12,120
Yeah.

663
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:18,040
I think that can go for like, I can, I'll associate this with your, like the youth ministry.

664
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,680
Like if nobody shows up for a year, it only, there's only like six people showing up for

665
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:22,680
like a straight year.

666
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,240
Like you can be like, okay, well what, why?

667
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:25,240
Yeah.

668
00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:26,240
Yeah.

669
00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:27,240
Absolutely.

670
00:38:27,240 --> 00:38:28,240
Yeah.

671
00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:29,240
I mean, there's so many things.

672
00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:30,240
I mean, there's so many things.

673
00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:37,280
I mean, even just thinking about youth ministry, I mean, graduation, vacations, spring break,

674
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:42,840
you know, sports, it's, it's the, I can go down a laundry list of reasons why your numbers

675
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,320
might be down or your numbers might be up or whatever it looks like.

676
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,400
And so, you know, you can't, if you live, if you, if you live, if I live by a week by

677
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,680
week, I would be a nervous wreck all the time.

678
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:53,800
Like, is anyone going to show up?

679
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:54,800
Are we going to have more people?

680
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,760
You know, like, it's just not worth it.

681
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:57,760
Right.

682
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,800
But it is worth it to go back and look, I said, Hey, over the past six months, like

683
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,400
why, why did that increase there?

684
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:03,400
Why did that go down?

685
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:04,400
Okay.

686
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,920
If we, if we can't truly explain it, like, okay, like what was, what was the trend the

687
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:08,920
whole time?

688
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:12,000
Like, are we, are we, are more kids coming and why?

689
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,000
Right.

690
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:17,480
And it's always asking those questions of like, Hey, it's not just like, yay, we got,

691
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,440
you know, a hundred percent more than we had last year.

692
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:24,320
It's like, no, that's not the only thing it's, Hey, okay, we might have, you may, maybe you

693
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,520
doubled your attendance, but why, why are they coming?

694
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:27,520
Right.

695
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:28,520
Are they growing?

696
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:29,520
Are they being discipled?

697
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:30,520
Are they being careful?

698
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,040
You know, that, and so there's just, yeah, there's just, it's, it's so much more than

699
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,640
the numbers, but the numbers are important to look at.

700
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:37,640
Yeah.

701
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:38,640
Cool.

702
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:39,640
Yeah.

703
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:45,360
I think it's okay.

704
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:46,360
Yeah.

705
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:57,560
With, with all, like we talked about a lot and like, we talked about, like, in it, like

706
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:01,560
with all, like we talked about youth, we talked about all these other things that were happening

707
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,320
before that aren't happening anymore.

708
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:08,360
Like with, and like, with all these changes that have happened within the last year, like,

709
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:13,760
like how, how did you like, and they, you and maybe you and your wife, like, how did

710
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,760
you guys navigate, how did you guys navigate that?

711
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:25,520
And like, did it ever, with ever, ever a sense like of wavering or like, what did you like,

712
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,760
and what kept you on course when you were in that time?

713
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,120
That's a really great question.

714
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,880
So I'm about to get deep here for a second and just real.

715
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:40,400
So you know, the past year, year and a half, I would say, I mean, honestly, you could say

716
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,080
four years, but I'm, we'll just stay focused on the past year and a half.

717
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:50,080
It's been, I mean, challenge after challenge after challenge after challenge after challenge.

718
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:54,280
And if, and if I focus just on the challenges, which we'll talk about here in a second,

719
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:59,960
I mean, I would, if I looked at it from an earthly perspective, I mean, I would have

720
00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:03,520
given up by now, you know, a long, long time ago.

721
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:08,280
And so, and I'm not just saying about being a passer, but just in general, like what is,

722
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,360
what is happening in my life and why, you know, I would have, I would have definitely

723
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:12,680
given up a long time ago.

724
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:19,800
And so just kind of looking at the past year and a half, number one, like me and my wife

725
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:29,240
have had one pretty really traumatic failed pregnancy.

726
00:41:29,240 --> 00:41:33,960
We had two others that were, you know, they're all so traumatic, obviously, but the situation

727
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,960
wasn't as traumatic as the first one.

728
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:42,520
But you know, to the point where things could have been life threatening, you know, and

729
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:48,400
we're still battling through, you know, trying to become pregnant even today.

730
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:52,280
And in Jesus name, I mean, maybe when I go back in and watch this in a year, I'll have

731
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:53,280
a child.

732
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:58,160
But I, you know, just dealing with that alone is just really tough.

733
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:02,440
And it's one of those things that not a lot of people talk about, right?

734
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:07,960
You know, when it comes to like trying to have a kid and miscarriages and all that subject,

735
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,000
it's a very sensitive one.

736
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,240
But you know, going through that for the past year, because that happened in, you know,

737
00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:18,200
early spring, you know, spring last year, almost winter.

738
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:23,440
And so going through that, but then also there's a time period where, you know, so prior to

739
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,840
being a youth pastor, I was a campus pastor.

740
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:30,120
And there was a season for about seven months where I was leading two campuses, you know,

741
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:31,760
me and my wife.

742
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:36,240
And you know, that's not, you know, at the time I was full time at the church and but

743
00:42:36,240 --> 00:42:37,600
that's no easy feat.

744
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:42,280
I mean, if there's anybody listening as a campus pastor, they understand that.

745
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:47,920
But going through that, so we're just staying on the challenges for now.

746
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:53,480
But then kind of at the end of this past year, you know, had a lot of ministry changes, which

747
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:59,560
led me to be coming a youth pastor and really just, you know, going through the navigating

748
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:05,280
of the really difficult things of a church separating the two different churches and

749
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:09,480
now leading Amplify Youth, you know, since January.

750
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:15,640
It's and actually one more challenge to throw in there is currently I'm working a full time

751
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:19,000
job in addition to being the Amplify Youth Pastor.

752
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:25,000
And so totally different landscapes, one side to the other, to the other.

753
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:31,760
And if I just looked at those plainly and man, I would I just it's like, man, I'm how

754
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:32,960
like how did I do that?

755
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:34,960
How did I how did we get through that?

756
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:39,640
How did how are we still how are we where we are today and in the manner in which we

757
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:40,640
are.

758
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,520
And it's just it's God, man.

759
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:43,600
You know, it's God.

760
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,600
And how do you did you waiver?

761
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,320
Yes, I wavered.

762
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:55,720
We wavered many times, you know, you know, one just navigating something that's so just

763
00:43:55,720 --> 00:44:02,280
full of grief, you know, when it comes to miscarriage to to walking individuals through

764
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,200
their life and pastoring them and caring for them.

765
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,000
Because like I'm like my wife is a very outgoing person.

766
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,280
That doesn't mean she's like doesn't have challenges in this area.

767
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,920
But like for me, like I'm like I grew up introverted.

768
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,920
I was looking at the whole I was looking down at the ground, going through the hallways

769
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:18,440
in high school, all these things.

770
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:22,880
And so for me to, you know, for me to be going through something like that, that's so emotionally

771
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,240
taxing.

772
00:44:25,240 --> 00:44:29,160
But then also like be emotionally pouring myself out, spiritually pouring myself out

773
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,440
on a daily basis as a pastor.

774
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:36,640
Man, it's like my my like meter would go down to like nothing so quickly.

775
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:40,120
And that's where I wavered because it was like, I don't think I have what it takes

776
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:45,120
today to go home to my wife the way that I believe I should or or to the student or to

777
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:49,080
the to the family who needs me as a pastor, you know, like whatever it looks like.

778
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,560
There's so many days where it's like, oh gosh, I just don't have it.

779
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,760
And so what got me through that?

780
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:55,760
Right.

781
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:56,760
Like what?

782
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:57,760
That's the question.

783
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:58,760
Like what?

784
00:44:58,760 --> 00:44:59,760
What?

785
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:00,760
What got me through that?

786
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:01,760
The simple answer is God.

787
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:02,760
Right.

788
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:07,720
But to be to be more definitive around that is through all of that, man, all of those

789
00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:13,720
challenges and people listening probably can list off a list just as big as mine.

790
00:45:13,720 --> 00:45:14,720
Right.

791
00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:16,920
And I'm going through things.

792
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:23,400
And the thing that was so consistent through it all was him consistently showing me that

793
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:28,280
he's still working, consistently showing me that there's hope, consistently showing

794
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:32,760
me that like this is what I've this is what I've called you to do.

795
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:37,200
And fruit is coming and fruit is is coming right now and will come.

796
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:38,840
And I'm going to bless you.

797
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,560
I'm going to all of these things.

798
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:48,120
And so when the wavering happened, you know, having a marriage that is God centered and

799
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,520
God focused is a huge thing.

800
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:54,520
Having mentors and having people that care about you and speaking to your life is so

801
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,200
important being community.

802
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:57,200
Don't isolate yourself.

803
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:04,040
But one of the things is just I could constantly through all of that, all of the challenges

804
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:07,280
is just constantly keep seeing, man, like, look at God work.

805
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:13,080
Like even in like the hardest times of like a transition in your role or transition in

806
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:17,240
your church or something like that, it's like you could I could still just point to things

807
00:46:17,240 --> 00:46:20,440
and be like, man, look what God's doing in that person or like look what God's doing

808
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:21,840
in that community.

809
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:27,080
And and it's rather than just sitting there looking at your current circumstances, it's

810
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:28,840
looking at eternity.

811
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:33,240
And I'm not trying to like be super pastoral or any spiritual here.

812
00:46:33,240 --> 00:46:37,400
But it's like the reality is, is like, man, like what you are going through, even if it's

813
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:45,040
a year, even if it's been five years, it is like a end of the tip of a pencil, you know,

814
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,080
in comparison to what eternity is.

815
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:54,460
And and so having that perspective of like, hey, what my challenge might be today.

816
00:46:54,460 --> 00:46:57,760
And for me, you know, it feels like punch after punch after punch.

817
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,400
It's like, get up, punch again, get up, punch again.

818
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:06,120
And the challenge is not taking those things and blaming God for them.

819
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:07,120
Yeah.

820
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:11,560
What I mean, what I but what we have seen and like me and my wife, you know, in our

821
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:17,840
particular story is like he's been building so much endurance in us and it's for a purpose.

822
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:22,960
And you know, and some of that purpose is already being walked out today.

823
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:27,200
But also, I believe it's for so much more in the future of like, there's things that

824
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:31,400
should have taken us out even this year that didn't that barely shook us because of what

825
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:35,600
he has shown us and what he has done in us and the strength that he's built in us.

826
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:39,280
And so when we talk about, you know, what does it look like?

827
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,520
You know, how can you go on a podcast and talk about your miscarriage?

828
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:48,000
Well, I know I know for a fact that God's going to see us through that.

829
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:49,600
You know, and yeah, I'm sad.

830
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:53,680
Yeah, I cry sometimes when I'm thinking about it or when like, yeah, it's it's heartbreaking.

831
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:57,480
But at the same time, it's like, no, like, I know the hope that that God has given me

832
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:58,480
in that.

833
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,720
And so, yeah, there's so many, you know, when I talked about being a pastor, being a father

834
00:48:01,720 --> 00:48:05,560
and being a builder, it's like there's so many times where as a pastor, it's like, am

835
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:06,800
I doing what I need to?

836
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:07,800
Like, am I doing the right thing?

837
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,440
Like, should I have said that or should I have, you know, whatever?

838
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:15,320
There's times where I'm like, OK, like as a father, like, you know, whether it's Earth

839
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,320
that you father, it's like, when's that going to happen?

840
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:22,840
Or if it's like a father from a pastoral sense, it's like, hey, like, did I guide them the

841
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:23,840
way that I should have?

842
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:24,840
Yeah.

843
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:26,720
And then as a builder, it's like, man, did that fail?

844
00:48:26,720 --> 00:48:29,520
You know, what's the where what should happen?

845
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:35,640
And I think when you look at once again, if you get caught up in all of the trials, you

846
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:37,960
won't see the beauty that, you know, is really in it.

847
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:42,560
So constantly changing your focus away from it's not ignoring the problems.

848
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:44,760
It's not ignoring the challenges.

849
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,840
It's basically saying, OK, like that exists.

850
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:52,560
I'm going to learn from it and put it, move the move the purpose to like what's next.

851
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:53,560
Yeah.

852
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,560
It's really good.

853
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,560
Thanks, Rob.

854
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:00,840
Yeah, absolutely.

855
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:06,880
I want to speak a little bit to that when it comes to youth specifically, you know,

856
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:13,120
because right now you on paper, right on paper, if anyone tracks Amplify Youth at all, right?

857
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:16,480
It's like checking out our Instagram, checking out the things that are happening there.

858
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,960
It's like, oh, man, yeah, like, things are great.

859
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:20,880
You know, like, look at all.

860
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,200
I can't stand the word momentum when it comes to church.

861
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:29,040
I really can't because it's like you're you're writing something that I don't like it anyways.

862
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:35,760
But like, man, like God's doing something really amazing there in so many different

863
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:40,880
ways, whether it is like from an influence perspective on social media or it's from

864
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:46,480
what he's doing in the room and those students lives like it is incredible.

865
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:51,000
But the one thing I don't want I don't want to end this podcast without speaking to is,

866
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,240
man, that is not a product of Rob Gizowski.

867
00:49:54,240 --> 00:49:57,720
Like that is not a product of us.

868
00:49:57,720 --> 00:49:59,040
Yes, I will.

869
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:04,880
I will say like, hey, like God has used us in unique ways to to bless that ministry and

870
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:05,880
bless that community.

871
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:09,120
Like, I believe that I'm not saying that we have no hand in anything.

872
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:15,120
But what the reality is, is like, man, he has used so many people in so many incredible

873
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:22,440
unique ways and has called them and has purpose them to do those things that have just made

874
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,880
the whole thing what it is today.

875
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:29,000
And I don't believe we're anywhere near where, you know, he wants us to be.

876
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:30,540
I think we have a lot of work.

877
00:50:30,540 --> 00:50:31,540
We have a lot of things to do.

878
00:50:31,540 --> 00:50:37,760
I say work, but we have a lot of we have a lot of ground to take and not to get into

879
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:38,760
Bible stories.

880
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:42,160
But, you know, we talk about Nehemiah building the wall around Jerusalem.

881
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:47,560
And, you know, when he did that, it was, you know, he was praying.

882
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:48,560
He was seeking God.

883
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:49,560
He's staying focused.

884
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,640
Even when there's distractions, there's people coming, trying to kill them, knock down the

885
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,280
wall, distract them, all those things.

886
00:50:55,280 --> 00:51:01,560
And when he was building it, he was building while he was he was protecting and he was

887
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:02,560
defending.

888
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:07,080
They had a sword in one hand and they're building in the other.

889
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:14,480
And so for me, it's like as we as amplify youth builds, you know, the job's not done.

890
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:15,480
There's a lot.

891
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,760
There's a lot of things that we believe God wants to do.

892
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:21,480
At the same time, it's like we got to protect ourselves, you know, and we got to protect

893
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:26,720
what is being built and not just like just like personally, but spiritually with God,

894
00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:28,760
like, you know, God's going to protect that ministry.

895
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:36,920
And and man, so many leaders, so many students that that ministry is a really

896
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:41,640
incredible, incredible thing because of the students that are there, because of the leaders

897
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:42,640
that are there.

898
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:46,760
They like I said, they're all purpose for something and they're using it for for God's

899
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:47,800
glory.

900
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:53,920
And so it's not, oh, you know, Rob and Leah came in and bang, look at all these things

901
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:54,920
that happened.

902
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:55,920
Yeah.

903
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:59,520
I mean, there's definitely aspects of it that, you know, that we brought to it and there's

904
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:03,360
vision that we brought to it and there's, you know, cultural things that we we allow

905
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,240
and there's cultural things that we don't allow that have impact on that.

906
00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:11,520
But man, putting like, you know, the creative team, the production team, the community team,

907
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:17,000
the small group leaders, the the students that are leading one another, that are leading,

908
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:21,320
you know, help assisting leading small groups, coming up with ideas on how we can change

909
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:22,800
the world and change the community.

910
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:26,920
I mean, it's just day after day after day after week after week after week.

911
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:34,800
It's like, man, like it's been five to six months and it's just things that are completely

912
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:35,800
out of our control.

913
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:36,800
Yeah.

914
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:37,800
Are happening.

915
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,400
And so that's why I say some things pretty ambiguously.

916
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:41,880
You know, like how do you how do you stay confident?

917
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:43,520
Like, what do you do for the next step?

918
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:47,040
I say I'm fairly ambiguously because like, man, there's so many things that have happened

919
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:50,760
that have blessed us that I'm just like, I didn't do that.

920
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:51,760
Yeah.

921
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:53,240
Or like, you know, our creative team didn't do that.

922
00:52:53,240 --> 00:52:54,840
Like they didn't like plan that out.

923
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:56,320
That wasn't something that was planned.

924
00:52:56,320 --> 00:53:01,400
It was like, hey, they kept on walking in their purpose, focused on God, focused on

925
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:02,840
what they were meant to do.

926
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:06,800
And it's like, man, like God showed up and God's doing crazy things.

927
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:14,120
And so so, yeah, we're still, you know, we're still finding out that, hey, there's a lot

928
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:15,120
of ground to take.

929
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:18,800
And so we're going to be focused.

930
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:22,640
We're going to take that ground and be confident in it, even though it's going to be a struggle,

931
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:26,000
because we're talking about high schoolers in 2024.

932
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:30,160
I mean, it's a it's a it's a different ball game, not not because of their own fault,

933
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:31,600
but because of the world.

934
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:35,280
And and so they're that group of kids.

935
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:40,040
And I know there's going to be so much more to come are just like they're fighters and

936
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:41,160
they love God.

937
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:47,840
And and so it's going to be something special to see them like take the reins, you know,

938
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:49,720
and you know, the next several years.

939
00:53:49,720 --> 00:53:50,720
So yeah.

940
00:53:50,720 --> 00:53:51,720
Amen.

941
00:53:51,720 --> 00:53:52,720
All right.

942
00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:53,720
Yeah.

943
00:53:53,720 --> 00:53:54,720
Amen.

944
00:53:54,720 --> 00:54:03,480
Well, thank you for for finishing off the podcast, the episode like that.

945
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:10,600
And just I like to wrap up every episode by just asking two questions.

946
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:14,440
And one is, who would you?

947
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,120
Well, I guess this is typically the second one.

948
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,600
But one, who would you like to hear on this podcast?

949
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,880
Who do you think would be good?

950
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:23,680
It can be literally anybody.

951
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:24,680
Wow.

952
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,600
Great question.

953
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:32,600
I had like a it's funny because I had like a thought and then I was like, wait, no, I

954
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:35,640
had another thought and I was like, wait, no.

955
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:45,320
Honestly, one of the things that I've always found so, so interesting is what is it like,

956
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,840
what does it look like?

957
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:51,640
So I'm thinking of people that are in a position of influence.

958
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:52,640
Yeah.

959
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:59,160
But it's almost like you are unaware of the amount of influence and power you have in

960
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:00,160
by what you say.

961
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:05,400
And it's like, man, to be that person and understand like, hey, like you have so much

962
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,360
influence and what are you doing with it?

963
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:10,400
Like what are your thoughts about that?

964
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:16,000
So let's just say on this podcast that we can talk about purpose and talk about calling

965
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,400
and how they use it.

966
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:26,880
I would say let's bring in I'm going to go with a great F1 driver and Max Verstappen.

967
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:27,880
Okay.

968
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,360
You're probably like, who is that guy?

969
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:34,240
He's the greatest driver of all time for anyone who wants to know.

970
00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:35,240
Okay.

971
00:55:35,240 --> 00:55:40,480
Let's say Max Verstappen and somebody who I know as a as another maybe he's been on

972
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:41,480
here before.

973
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:43,720
I don't I have no idea.

974
00:55:43,720 --> 00:55:47,960
But I'd say Lee Lee, who I'm going on my bike ride with.

975
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:48,960
Okay.

976
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:49,960
I have not had him on.

977
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:50,960
No, Lee is incredible.

978
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,880
Lee is one of our servant leaders at amplify youth.

979
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:59,040
But man, the way that man would look to the world.

980
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,480
Very uniquely.

981
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:08,960
And man, it's just like to have so much like influence and certainty and confidence, but

982
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:14,680
to do it so quietly is one of the and what I mean by quietly is not just like loudness

983
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:20,000
of voice, but just like so subtle is really, really awesome.

984
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:21,480
So Lee is Lee would be another one.

985
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:22,480
Okay.

986
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:23,480
May I get some contact information?

987
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:24,480
Yeah, absolutely.

988
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:25,480
Um, sweet.

989
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:26,480
Okay.

990
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:27,480
For both of those.

991
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:28,480
I don't know about the first one.

992
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,480
Second one I can hook you up with.

993
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:32,480
Sweet.

994
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:33,480
Okay.

995
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:39,320
Um, and then the next last question is for anybody that wants to dive a little bit deeper

996
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:42,800
into personal development growth calling purpose.

997
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:46,440
What are some resources you would point them towards?

998
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:47,440
Yeah.

999
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:50,320
So, um, man, there's, there's so many.

1000
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:55,640
Um, and it's funny because I'm sitting in, I'm sitting in, uh, uh, the office as I would

1001
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:59,600
say in for the podcast and there's books all around that I'm like, man, like that's one

1002
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:01,920
that I just read and that's what it should be.

1003
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:08,400
So, um, but Tom McCavitt's incredible book, um, lead like it matters by Craig Rochelle

1004
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:09,400
is a standard one.

1005
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:12,720
I feel like, um, and all things John Maxwell.

1006
00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:18,440
But I, um, all of those things are really, really great, but sometimes I'm just speaking

1007
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:20,840
to the people who are wired like me.

1008
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:21,840
Yeah.

1009
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:25,880
Sometimes it's really hard to just like sit down and read a book and, and for you to just

1010
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:27,060
retain it.

1011
00:57:27,060 --> 00:57:30,440
And so there is, you know, we're listening to a podcast now.

1012
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:31,440
Yeah.

1013
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:37,440
And so I think one, like so many podcasts, um, out there, a lot of them look different.

1014
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:41,160
Don't just watch, like listen to one and think that's, that's the flavor of the day.

1015
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:42,160
Right.

1016
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:43,160
Try different ones.

1017
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:46,000
Try out Craig Rochelle's try out.

1018
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:51,040
So other leaders that, um, you know, that are doing different things, like even technically

1019
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:56,080
short, um, and, and just test something out and something will stick and it'll be so much

1020
00:57:56,080 --> 00:58:01,600
easier to just like to be blessed by that, um, whether it's in your car ride, whether

1021
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:03,760
it's you just walk, taking a walk, whatever.

1022
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:07,440
Um, I just had a really hard time sometimes just sitting down and reading a book, um,

1023
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,160
especially if it's not the Bible.

1024
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:12,560
So get a podcast or even audio books.

1025
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:13,560
Yeah.

1026
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:18,000
Um, great resource just to walk around and just hear wisdom coming from a book.

1027
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:22,560
But yeah, I would say, I would say Atomic Habits is a really, it, it, with everything

1028
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:27,400
else I've been saying, being very spiritually laced, I would say Atomic Habits is a really

1029
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,880
good practical one for sure.

1030
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:30,880
So yeah.

1031
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:31,880
Awesome.

1032
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:38,400
Well guys, thank you for listening to this episode of the podcast of technically short.

1033
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:43,680
And if you haven't already, share this episode out on all your social medias, give us a,

1034
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:50,040
um, five star at Spotify and on Apple podcasts and drop a comment if you feel so inclined.

1035
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:53,080
All right, guys, we'll see you next time.

1036
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:54,080
Bye.

1037
00:58:54,080 --> 00:59:08,980
Thank you.