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What's going on guys? In this episode of Technically Short, I'm talking with Jesse

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Lege all about fear. We're going to be talking about his book, When I Am Afraid, a daily

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devotional. And we also dive deep into scripture about what God says and has said about fear.

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We'll talk about how we can combat it and how we can combat it in our daily lives.

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So guys, get your notebook out. This is a good episode. It's a long episode.

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So get ready, sit down, take some notes, and we'll see you in there.

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Hey guys, how's it going? Welcome to this episode Technically Short.

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This is the second episode I've recorded without Sean as he's been off

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in basic training. At this point, he's nearly almost done. So hopefully we'll be back soon.

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But now, in this episode of Technically Short, we're done with the Why Are You Here? series.

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I didn't really... It was kind of an abrupt stop, so I apologize. But there's somebody that I

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was recommended a few times in previous episodes and reached out to him. He said yes.

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And there was a particular topic that I wanted to talk about that was outside the purview of the

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Purpose series. So I figured this would be a great benefit to everybody. So the guest today is Jesse

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Lege. I just give a little bit of an introduction about him. He is a father, a grandfather, a mentor,

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and a friend to myself. Well, mentor and friend. He's not my father or grandfather. But now he has

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continuously told me for at least a year that God has amazing plans for my life and is going to use

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me in amazing ways. That's kind of the encouraging person that Jesse Lege is. He always has a smile

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on his face and no matter what he is doing, whether that be praying for others or cleaning the

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windows at our church, he always has that smile on his face. Or even waving people in in the parking

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lot. He always had that smile and people know him as that guy in the parking lot.

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That's me.

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So Jesse, could you give a little bit of an introduction about who you are? For those who

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don't know you, give a little bit of a backstory.

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Okay. Well, I was actually saved at 19 years old. A woman that I worked with that was very gracious

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to talk to me every day when I had questions. There were times when we would stay after work

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for an hour just standing in the parking lot talking. She would answer the questions and

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she would invite me to church every week. And so finally, after a few months of her asking every

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week, I said yes. And I went to church with her and heard the gospel for the very first time.

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And I thought, who would not want this? This is a God that I hadn't heard about. Even though I had

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been in church all my life, I had not heard about that goodness of God and what he had done for me.

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Yeah. And so I said, absolutely yes. And went to Israel. Not long after that, the Lord spoke to me

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through a television program that was on. And I went to Israel being a very young Christian and

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saw so many things over there, learned so much about the places that Jesus walked, the things

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that he did and the culture that is over there. And just the customs, how they operate was

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tremendous. Came back, got married to that woman who spent so much time talking to me every night.

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And we left and went to Tulsa, Oklahoma and moved out there for a year, went to Ramo Bible Training

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Center and moved back after that year. And it has been a whirlwind ever since, let me tell you,

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after almost 43 years of marriage. And yes, I have five kids and now 15 grandchildren.

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It never stops, but I get to see God working day after day. And in the smallest things,

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I don't know if anybody else gets to see it, but God puts a sunrise, a beautiful sunrise in the sky

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for me every morning. And I have a great time talking to him. I do a lot of driving and just

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the time that I get to spend and he shares things with me, just even from a sunrise,

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showing me that he is there every day. So maybe somebody else gets the benefit from that sunrise

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he gives to me, but it's for me. I know he gives it to me every day. So yeah, that's a little bit

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about me. I do lead a small group from church. I am the leader of the parking team at church,

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which is amazing. And I work with the kids from first to fifth grade. I'm on the prayer team.

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Anything else the Lord has that I can do, my hand is raised. And if he says, who wants to do,

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my hand is up before what it is comes out because I want to be there because he's there.

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And if I know he's in it, I want to be working in it with him. That's the way I look at it.

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Yeah. Wow. Yeah. If he's in it, you know, you want to do it. That's good.

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Yes. That's like Sunday. I think is God's bring your kid to work day. And we get to do it.

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It's what he's doing and we get to be a part of it with them.

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Right. Jesse, thank you for that little bit of introduction. Not just to you, but

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it also kind of gave an introduction to Christianity, to faith, because that is such a core of who you are.

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I have some other questions written here, but you kind of answered them already about introducing

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where your joy comes from, which I was going to ask you about. You kind of already mentioned that.

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So guys, if you didn't already hear it, whenever I intro this episode, which are for you, Jesse,

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I record introduction to the episode that will then go before the recording. This episode,

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I particularly wanted to talk about fear because this podcast is all about providing people with

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the tools they need to successfully pursue, well, discover and pursue their God-given callings.

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And whether you're a Christian or not, whether you have faith or not,

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you have a calling on your life. And the point of this podcast is to help you discover and

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pursue that calling. And Jesse and I were talking about this a couple of days ago, that fear is

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one of the direct combatants of us discovering and pursuing these passions that are placed on our lives.

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And for those who don't know, Jesse wrote a book. He's a certified author of a daily devotional book

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called When I Am Afraid. And I picked that, well, he gave me the book. Obviously I picked it up and

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now he gave it to me. And I spent a few, I spent, I was spending maybe even like five,

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10 minutes a day just reading through a few of them each day. And like, it, and he, word thing,

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you Jesse word things in a way that it puts a new perspective on a lot of scripture that I didn't

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really see before. I don't have any examples written down here. So like, which I kind of did

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have like some notes from that. But if you guys, I'm going to put the link to this Amazon link,

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whichever link is best to this book in the show notes so that you guys can go buy it if you don't

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have it yet. But Jesse, so you wrote this book, you did deep dive into fear and you wrote this

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book, you did deep dive into fear and you wrote like a devotional for all 366 days of the leap

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year. And so like the way, from the way that you understand it, what is fear?

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Fear is the toll of the enemy to stop you from doing what God has given you to do. And that's

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that if he can get you to stop for one second, you began to look at yourself and that fear can be

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from anything. Everybody faces fears. It doesn't matter. I was at two hockey games today for my

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grandson and I could see these kids out there doing the best they could do. And yet I could hear the

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parents of every one of these kids screaming at them for everything they were doing wrong.

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And no matter how good you try, when you're a child, it's like, you know that you don't live up

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to what someone else has for you. And you carry that with you and you don't live up to your own

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standards. You set those standards high for yourself many times and you don't live up to

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those standards. And so there's that fear that you're always falling short. And when that happens,

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there's one of two things that's going to take place. You will either give up because it's like

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it's never going to work. So there's no sense in pursuing anything else or you cry out to God

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and say, I can't do it, but you can. And I need you to show me how. And when we get that

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understanding, just as like the kids, they know, they can hear their parents screaming at them.

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They know what's coming after the game, that the coach is going to be screaming at them. And

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I even heard, I've heard parents screaming at the kids to do one thing and the coach screaming at

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them to do something different. And it's like, they're going to lose either way. And so it's

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kind of a hard thing on them. And it's hard for a coach to try to coach when the parents are telling

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the kids something else. And it's hard for the parents thinking that coach isn't doing the right

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thing for my kid. And so the coaches that lose her in their eyes and the kids are losing in their

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eyes. So that fear can creep in in so many different ways. As you get older and you realize the mistakes

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that you made, you know, and that fear tries to get you to stop from doing anything else.

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You know, I, many times I've looked at my kids and thought they're doing something and every parent

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tries to raise the perfect child. Okay. That's, that's the goal is to raise the perfect child.

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And when they do anything wrong, it's like, why aren't you listening? Why aren't you perfect?

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And then you start looking inward and saying, it's all my fault because I wasn't the perfect

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parent. And so the fear can creep in that way. Fear creeps in at work, you know, your job, it's like

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you do something wrong and you, you feel the pressure, you know, and maybe sometimes the

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pressure from work is pulling you that way. And the pressure from home is trying to pull you that

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way. And the fear of who am I going to disappoint today? And it's always something there that says,

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I'm not going to make it. And that's, this book is a book that is about finding that courage to get

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through today. Okay. We can't even think about tomorrow. And that's, that's the other thing that

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fear does is it tries to put you in tomorrow, which your enemy has no, no say so in the next

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second of your life, but he will tell you he does. Right. And faith in him says it's getting worse.

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Faith in God says it's getting better and that's hope. Yeah. So, yeah, like what you, what you said

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about like anxiety is the fear of something that might happen. Yeah. And we talked about that a few

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times on this podcast already in different contexts, but it's true. Like if you're, it's true.

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Like if you're worrying about what might happen, that you're never going to pursue the things that

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might make that thing happen, cause you're too afraid that's going to happen. And so like, what,

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whenever we hit those points in our lives, like, like, what do we do? What you say, you, like, you,

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like, you say, you, like, you're saying you go to God, which I believe too, but like, what is like

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the practical, either practical or like, what is the more in depth version of that for when you're

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combating fear? Well, one of the first things is most people don't believe they can hear God.

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Okay. That's, that's one thing I have heard over and over again. People don't believe they can hear

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God, but for some reason you can always hear that voice whispering that says, you're not good enough.

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You're unworthy. And I think, okay, so God made me with ears to hear the enemy talking loud and clear.

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And yet he didn't make me with ears to hear him. I don't think so. Okay. My father gave me ears to

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hear him. You know, that's what he wants. And the more we get in his word, the more we understand

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what he's saying to us. He's the only one that has the authority to tell us who we are because he put

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us together. He made us. And so if we listen to anything contrary to him, we're listening to a lie.

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That's, that's what the enemy does. And if we don't know what he said about us, then we have nothing

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to stand on. We have nothing, you know, that was the thing that the enemy came to Adam and Eve in

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the garden and said, did God really say what you need to know what God really did say? And then when

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you do know that when the enemy comes and says something to you, you can say, no, no, my God

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really did say this. And I'll, I'll open up my Bible and show you if you don't believe it, devil,

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I will show you right where it's at. And I'll prove it to you that this is what my God said,

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who he told me I am. And when the enemy is yelling loud and clear, that's when we have to get with

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our father and say, you know, this isn't who you made me to be. Yeah. And it's not, it's not fitting

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into my soul the right way. It's not giving me hope. And he is a God of hope. So anything that

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tries to steal that away, you've got to recognize it right away. And when you, I think I was

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I think I was texting with somebody yesterday after I sent to my devotional and they, they texted back

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and said, I'm afraid that I'm going to get a bad report on this, this test that they took. Yeah.

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And I said, it's amazing how we have so much faith in the devil and giving us a bad report

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over God giving us a good report. We put our faith in, in how powerful the enemy is.

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And take away that power that God has and say, I know what you said, God, but it doesn't seem like

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it's working. So I'm going to believe the bad report. And we have a choice. We always have that

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choice as to what Jesus said most of the time did not go along with the circumstance that was in

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front of them. When Jesus showed up on the scene, he didn't look at it and say, sorry, this is what

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God gave you. So I can't do anything. He changed it. That's what he did. He showed up and changed

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it. And he said, let me show you, you know, he, he, when he came, he said, repent for the kingdom

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of heaven is near and repent means change your mind because you're thinking wrong. Okay. You're

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going the wrong way. You're thinking about it the wrong way. And he said, the kingdom of heaven is

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near. He was about to show them what the kingdom of heaven looked like. He was that kingdom of

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heaven that came down to earth. And the things that he showed them were so contrary to what they had

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been told all of their lives, that God was against them and that God, everything that they ran into,

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all of their sickness and disease, everything that went wrong was because of them. And God was mad

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at them for that. So that's why there was nothing else they could give them. That's the way they

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perceived it. And Jesus comes along and says, ah, that's not who my father is. Let me show you

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who my father is. And that's why the people flock to Jesus because they saw something in him that,

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you know, that man that was let down on the sheet where they ripped off the roof to get that man in

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front of Jesus. And Jesus is sitting there with all the religious leaders and he looks at this man

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and says, your sins are forgiven. That man had been told all of his life that he's in that position

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because of his sin. That's all he had ever heard. And for him to hear, my sins are forgiven,

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the freedom that that brought, the anger that it brought with the religious leaders that, who do

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you think you are? You can't do that. And Jesus showing, you know, your sins are forgiven. And

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he says, what's easier to say? Your sins are forgiven or rise up and walk. The penalty is no

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longer applicable because there's no longer the sin there. Your sins are forgiven, they're wiped

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clean. And that's what he did. He changed the whole scenario and said, let me show you what my father

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looks like. Cause you've been taught wrong. That scripture about your ways are not my ways.

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The heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways above your ways. And people take that to mean

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that we can never understand God's ways, but that's not what he said. When Jesus came and,

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you know, the Beatitudes, you've heard that it said, love your neighbor and hate your enemy.

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But I tell you, okay, this is God's way now. Let me tell you what God wants. That's what you've

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always been told. That's your ways, but let me tell you the right way. Love your enemies, okay?

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Bless them that curse you, pray for them that despitefully use you because this is who my father

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is. This is how he sees you. And this is what you get to do. Yeah.

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See that's interesting. I like it whenever I have these conversations with people that

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don't know, never really know the direction they're going to take it.

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And I'm sitting here, I'm sitting here and like, man, what's this have to do with fear?

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Everything. Everything. Yeah. Because if you think about it, if you saw, if you picture this,

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there's the kingdom of God out there. Yeah. And Jesus comes to you and takes hold of your hand

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and says, come with me. I'm going to take you right there. And you look in front of you in

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between where you're at and where that is. Yeah. And you see so much stuff going on, so much chaos.

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And Jesus says, just stay with me. I'm here. I have you by the hand. Yeah. Okay. And yeah,

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there's going to be a whole lot of stuff coming, but it's okay. As long as you're with me,

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that stuff isn't going to touch you. Yeah. You know, and I hear so many people say, well, you

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think God is going to allow all this awful stuff to happen. And I think about it this way.

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Do I think God is going to throw me in the ring with an enemy that he's trained me with everything

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I need to defeat that enemy? Absolutely. He will throw me in that ring over and over and say, I

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taught you what to do. You know, I'm going to beat you. I'm going to beat you. I'm going to beat you.

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I taught you what to do. You know how to do it. You know how to win this battle. Yeah. He will put

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me in that ring because he's right there behind me saying, you know what to do. And the Holy Spirit

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is right there reminding me of everything, every tool I need, every word to speak to take down that

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enemy. And I can win every battle that way. Yeah. Yeah. And I want to like add more contact because

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I also like, I feel like, well, this is a very faith heavy episode. And I think most of my

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listeners, I would say are all like Christians majority, but I like to make the preface that,

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I guess this isn't the preface anymore, but kind of, I don't know how far we are in. Oh, laptop locked.

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Yeah. For those who like say, like they don't believe in God, they're, maybe they're just

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agnostic, like without, like some people are agnostic about the title and they're just,

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they're living their lives and they're still like, they experience fear and like, what would you say

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to those people that are experiencing fear and they don't realize that God is like, Jesus is there

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for them to take their hand. And these people, like it can be somebody that is just like,

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even maybe kind of curious or like maybe there is something to this Christian thing, to this God

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thing, or they're somebody that has never thought about it at all. And they're just like, and they're

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living a life that the way the world has kind of taught them to.

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When it comes to fear, like, and what they're afraid of, like, what would you say to them?

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Well, first of all, if you don't know who Jesus is, and there are plenty of people out there

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that think they know who Jesus is and still don't dig into his word to find out who he is.

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But he went to those people and he offers them hope. Okay. That is the first thing that people

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need. And the people that are in darkness, the people that are in fear, the people who

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have no hope, that's the first thing they need is hope. And they, they don't know who Jesus is.

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And, and they have been taught all their lives that if there is a God, he doesn't care about them.

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Yeah. And so when you finally hear about a God who cares about you enough to come down here

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and take everything you've ever done wrong and put it on themselves and take the penalty for that.

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And the places that Jesus went to, the people that he reached out to were people that many times,

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they, they were, they saw themselves as completely unworthy. And there were people who were demon

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possessed. There were people who were just, um, out there that were traitors. Um, and they were

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the people that were, um, Levi was a tax collector. He was a trader, what he was considered

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because he was a Jew working for the Roman government. And that made him a trader to all

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the Jews. And Jesus brings him in among the disciples. Okay. Which probably every other one

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of them there hated the guy. That that's the way it was. The group that he picked are,

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we're probably some of the most, what the world would call losers. Okay. And when we realized that

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we all fit in that category, okay, whether we know Jesus or not, we all fit in that category at one

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time or another. And for a God to come to offer us hope. And that's the thing that we need to see.

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That's the job that God gave us as Christians is to offer hope. And we so many times get caught up

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in judgment of people in their sins. And it's like, no, that's not the job that God gave us to do.

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In fact, he told us, do not judge Jesus. If you picture him at the Beatitudes. And I told my small

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group this, I said, you picture him there and you're sitting in front of him looking in Jesus's eyes.

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Yeah. And he says to you, do not judge or you will be judged. Yeah. Okay. That's it. That's not our

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job. That's his job. Right. And to try to take that position is to try to rip that off of him

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and take his position. We don't have the right to do that. But if even when we judge ourselves.

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Yes. Yeah. Yes. And we do that very well. Yeah. Because we know ourselves that well. Yeah. And

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we figure if anybody knows how to judge us, we are really good at it. Yeah. And he says

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that that's not our job to do. No. And I particularly, I was walking through, I'm reading,

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I think I told you earlier, I'm reading through Think and Grow Rich. I feel like I've been reading

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for like a year now, but the final chapter, the final chapter, last 10 pages in this whole last

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chapter is all about fear. And I just went through, today, maybe he has 30 questions that he's like,

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okay, I'll read through these questions and say the answers out loud so you hear your own voice

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saying the answer to these questions. And one of the things is like, what are your 10 most destructive

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weaknesses? And I'm like, man. And I'm like, okay. So I was thinking about it. And one thing I circle

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with, and to be vulnerable, and my friends have told me, and I know my boss has told me,

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as I've been trying to grow, as I was trying to grow my career, I say was, I still am,

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my biggest thing is confidence. And working through with my therapist, I found it pretty much that

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it's the fear of looking stupid. That's where my lack of confidence, whenever I'm lacking

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confidence, that's where it comes from. Yeah. Because I don't want to be seen as somebody that

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doesn't know what they're doing. Yes. And- Nobody does.

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Yeah. And because it's the fear of what other people think, it's the fear of messing up,

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you can mess all those into what I struggle with a lot of the time. And I like practical things that

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are practical for people. And this is like, from my mind, it's like, okay, what can I do for myself?

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And I'm going to ask you the same question, but what can I do for myself that would come directly

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combat my anxiety or fear of messing up or fear of looking stupid or lack of confidence? And why

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can I put myself in situations that make me extremely uncomfortable that I don't have a

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choice but to grow my confidence? And so I've been thinking today of what can I do? And I'm not going

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to say it just yet because I want to reach out to a couple of people and be like, hey, can I do this

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thing? And so I'm not going to say it on here yet because in case they say no. But it's like, how

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can I grow as a person so that I can pursue my calling? Because without me getting rid of this

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fear, I want to be a leader. I want to grow in leadership. I believe I am a leader in certain

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aspects of my life, but I would like to be able to be the best leader I can be. And I know for me,

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I have to remove that fear of looking stupid in order to surpass where I am right now.

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One, I'm going off my own script, but one, I'm going to ask you,

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this is almost like me asking you as a mentor, what would you say to me for that directly?

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What does that make you think of whenever you're thinking of me and my own fear? And then what

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does God say about that kind of fear? Yes. Exactly what... That's perfect. Because

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what fear does is take God out of the picture. If God is removed, fear comes in when we don't think

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about us with God. Fear comes in when we're thinking about us with our neighbors, what

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everybody else is looking at, that we're not going to live up to their standards. We're not going to

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live up to our standards. When we look at it with us with God and he says, you're mine.

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You don't have any standards to live up to. You take God out of it and it takes hope out of it.

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Yeah. And what's left is fear. Yeah. So that's how you get back to that place,

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is you bring back God into it. You set yourself that, God, your word is what I believe. Your word,

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you have the right to tell me who I am and you alone have the right to tell me who I am.

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Yeah. Okay. I can't judge myself because of past mistakes. Yeah. Because you can take that and

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turn it around. I can't judge myself because of everything else that I've done and what other

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people have thought of it. Yeah. Because even some of the things that God has told me to do,

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other people have judged wrongly. Yeah. And if I stop and look at that, it'll stop me in my tracks

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from doing the next thing God has for me to do. And so that's what happens. That's how fear grows.

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And so many times, I believe it is 366 times in the scriptures that God says, do not fear.

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And he told them that before he told them, well, he didn't tell them there was giants in the land.

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He told them that I'm taking you into the promised land. Okay. And in their mind, promised land,

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this is amazing place. And they sent spies in there and they're like, but there's giants.

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And when we see what we believe to be something bigger than what God can do,

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it takes God out of the picture. Yeah. Well, sorry, I cut you off real quick. No problem.

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I just read that devotional today from your book. Well, I maybe you've mentioned it more than once,

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but that one particular is like whenever they sent the spies in, two came back,

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two of them though came back and they told them like, they don't know this exactly what we are

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looking for. Yes. But so many people were talking about what they were scared of. Yeah. Like these

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are all the terrible things that are over there. We can't go there. We can't go there. People were

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more focused on the fear than what was promised. And like, they almost got stoned because of it.

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Yes. And I'm like, people were so afraid of these things that the majority said,

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that they forgot what God said. And like, honestly, a great reminder.

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Yeah. I'm just like processing it now. But like, I don't know. It's like whenever God,

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you say God, fear takes God out of the equation. Yeah. Exactly what happened there. Yeah. And that's

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And they transferred that fear to all of those people. Yeah. Those leaders that went in there,

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those 10 that came back with a bad report were leading 10 of those tribes of Israel. They were

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the ones that they sent out as their spokesperson to say, you go find out for us. And 10 of them

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came back with that bad report. And they caused the death of a whole generation wandering around

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the wilderness. Yeah. Because they grabbed hold of the fear instead of the faith that it would take

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to get that promise. And it's the same with every promise God gives us. There will be giants in the

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land. And it depends how you see them. If you look at it, like Joshua and Caleb did and said,

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I don't care. God promised me that and I'm going to get it. I don't care how long I have to wait.

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God's promise is still going to be good. Yeah. Doesn't matter if it takes 40 years. His promise

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is still good because he said it and I'm getting it. Yeah. And that's what happens with us.

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Mm-hmm. Those giants will be there. Yeah. It's the same as David and Goliath.

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You know, it was the whole Israelite army saw a giant. David saw an uncircumcised Philistine.

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Yeah. That's all he saw. Yeah. Was the same guy. Right. But David went in knowing who his God was

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and the Israelite army, their God wasn't big enough. Yeah. Yeah. So fear took over.

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So I think it, so I told you I was going to ask you the same question I kind of presented about

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myself. And I sent this one I did send to you. So it's around what, it adds, I think it'll add

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another depth to the conversation. Like I was afraid to ask it. It kind of works into the theme.

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But so it just is like, what are you afraid of? What am I afraid of? Is there something,

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and then how do you combat that? You already talked about that, but how do you personally do it?

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But how, this is how I do it. I start off every morning with worship. I have a playlist on my

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phone and as soon as I get up out of bed and go into my bathroom, I turn it on and it starts off

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with gratitude. Yeah. Okay. And the next song is Plead the Blood and it goes on and on with songs

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that are uplifting, songs that tell me who I am and who my God is. Yeah. And I start every day with

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that. And when you start your day with that, when the enemy comes with a lie and tries to get you

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to believe it, it is so much easier to say, no, you don't know who my God is.

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And that's what is living inside of me. And those thoughts come, believe me, those thoughts

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come when things go wrong, when you feel, whether it's something with your job, with your family,

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the conversation, just a single word can be enough to try to knock you off of that place that God has

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for you. And I'm not saying that I stay in that place all the time, but when I finally realize,

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when I stop and look to my Lord and say, this is not what you have for me, take me out of it. Yeah.

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Take me to the place that you have for me. And that's where we have to go. We have that choice.

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We can fall back into that pit because the enemy is trying to throw those chains at us to bring us

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down. And we can look down at that stuff and say, yes, you're right. I screwed up big time.

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I messed up. I said things that shouldn't have said. And just, the enemy is right there. He's

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never stopped talking to you. And yet my God is right there too. And he never stops talking either.

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And he talks to those words of comfort and joy and hope and peace. And if we will give him our ear

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and listen to him, Psalm 103, bless the Lord, oh my soul and all that is within me, everything inside

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of me. That's my ears. That's my eyes. That's what I see and hear and say, I will bless him.

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And my enemy tries to get me away from that place. And yet that's the place my God has for me.

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So it's a matter of looking and just like Peter stepping out of the boat, okay. He's looking at

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Jesus and walking on water right towards Jesus. And he takes his eyes off of him. All of that stuff,

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the wind and the waves, everything was going on the whole time. He's walking on the water,

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going towards Jesus, but it didn't affect him with his eyes on Jesus. So when those things begin

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to take you down, you cry out to Jesus. The same as Peter did. And Jesus, his hand every time will

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be there to pull you out. Knowing that is what we have to rely on. That's where I want to stay.

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That's where I want to be. When the enemy comes, I want to present him with the word of God.

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Cause that's what's going to take the enemy down every time.

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Well, Jesse, I think that's a good place to wrap it up. I think I want to throw one last thing in

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there and I really appreciate everything that you brought to this. I think that the people that have

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listened through the whole episode have really benefited from it. I don't think they would have

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listened through the whole thing if they weren't benefiting from it. And I want to thank you for

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your yes, even though you were nervous to come on and that you came on and even gave me some new

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things to think about. Now this is a recorded conversation so I can go back however many times

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I want. One last thing I want to say and I have some couple wrap up questions.

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We were talking about fear or anxiety essentially is the fear of what could happen. And hope that

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you bring up a lot is looking forward to what could happen. It's like the polar opposite.

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It's like looking forward to it versus being afraid of it. And you can't have both.

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Yes. And that's what we're talking about here today guys. We're talking about that whether you

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want to have hope or whether you want to have fear. Whether you want to be filled with anxiety,

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be filled with hope for the future. And that's the way we do it is having hope in Jesus.

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Having hope in what he has promised and hope for heaven will come to earth. And when his kingdom

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will come. And that is where our hope lies even whenever we are afraid. That's why he wrote a book

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that covers every single day because we have to combat it every single day. But at the same time

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we can still have that same hope. And when it comes to pursuing the purpose that God puts on us,

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I feel like that's exactly why the enemy wants us to be afraid. It's because he doesn't want us to

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fulfill that purpose. So if you guys are afraid, you guys aren't sure what's coming next, I encourage

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you to first pray. But also if you're not sure how to pray, you start. That's pretty much it.

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I'm just kind of thinking about it like, yeah, you just do it. There's no wrong way to pray.

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There's no wrong way to talk to God. I was saying there's no wrong way to pray. There's no wrong way

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to cry out to God. But guys, thank you for listening. I want to ask Jesse, I keep wanting

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to wrap it up, but I keep remembering I have a couple more questions. So Jesse, when it comes to

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fear and when it comes to maybe wanting to exercise and grow in hope, are there any resources?

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Like whether it be, I know you have your book, but do you know of any other books or books,

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any sort of resource that people can look into that can help them go more in depth in this area?

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Yes. There is a book that I just got a couple more copies of. And it is called Smith Wigglesworth,

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The Secret of His Power. And it is the stories of miracles that happened with this man.

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There's also one called His Name is Almighty. And it's by Randy Clark. And it is about a

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pastor of a church in Cambodia and just the miracle after miracle that happened over in Cambodia. And

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even in the midst of the worst things happening, that's where, if you look at the stories of Jesus

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in the Bible, which is the number one place you need to go, and you just read through the gospels

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and see how it looked before Jesus showed up and how it looked after he left. That's what gives you

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hope. And it's believing that tomorrow is going to be better than today. That's what hope is.

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If you believe that tomorrow is going to be worse than today, you have no hope. That's what it does.

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And fear sets in. And it's seeing that when Jesus comes into a situation, he changes it for the

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better. And anybody who really knows Jesus, and you were talking about praying. If you understand

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that, if you want to just start and imagine you sit down on your couch and Jesus is sitting next

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to you and you talk to him, just like he is your friend. That's what Jesus did with his disciples.

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He sat down and talked with them. He walked on the roads and talked with them. He was a friend.

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And anything that they needed, they could ask him. And it was crazy some of the things that they

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argued over, but even when he was talking, the last supper, going to the cross,

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he was ready to go and die. And they begin to have an argument over who's the greatest.

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And Jesus has to take off his outer robe and put a towel on and get a basin of water. And said,

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do you want to know who's the greatest? Let me show you. And he washed their feet. He said,

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this is how you become greater. And that's the relationship that he wants with every single one

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of us. And he will talk to us according to what's in the scripture. He will never tell you something

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that's not backed up by his word because that's who he is. And when we pray, we pray according

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to his word. That's what he tells us to do. And because when we put his name at the end of it

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and say in Jesus name, it has to agree with what we were talking about and praying about.

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So it has to agree with what's in his word. And you just talk to him. If you don't understand

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something, tell him that and ask him to show you, ask him to give you the hope you need

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to face and to win over what's coming against you. Because every time he throws me into the ring,

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he knows that he's given me everything. I need to win that battle.

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So it may be a weakness. And in fact, the weakness, I don't know if you had a chance to read today's

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devotional. If I could very quickly read the one that I just sent out today.

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But he said to me, my grace is sufficient for you for my power is made perfect in your heart.

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For my power is made perfect in weakness. Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about

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my weaknesses so that Christ's power may rest on me. We really don't like to talk about our

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weaknesses, but to boast about our weaknesses. Paul, what were you thinking? You see, the problem

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comes in when the Lord asked us to do something that we can't do. That's the place where we have

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to rely on God's grace to get us through. We understand that we have no expertise in that area

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and we are not comfortable at all in what he gives us to do. That's one of our weaknesses.

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Let's consider Gideon for a moment. God wants to deliver his people who have been in bondage for

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years. So you would think that God would find someone who is brave, a strong military leader.

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Where would you look for someone like that? Hiding in a wine press? And even after Gideon

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explains to the angel all about his weaknesses and why he isn't qualified for the job, it doesn't

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change a thing. You see, it doesn't matter that we are unqualified for the task. It only matters

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that we understand and know that we are unqualified for the task. Then we get to rely solely on his grace.

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God will never ask you to do a job that you are capable of doing without him. He will ask you to

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trust him in the jobs that you have no idea how to do on your own. That's where he gets the glory.

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We all want Christ's power to rest on us. In our weaknesses is where that happens. Trust him.

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Step out in those places where you are weak and watch what he will do.

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That's what he wants because those are the places that he is glorified in. Those places that,

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it's stuff that we are not comfortable in. We don't know what we are doing. And yet that's what God

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calls us to do so many times. And it's like, okay, I can't do it, but you can. So I got to trust you.

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I got to rely on you every step of the way. Yeah.

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That's great, Jesse. Thanks for reading that. That was great.

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I want to, I would go on, but I do probably should wrap it up, but there's what, like one final

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question. Who would you recommend to be on this podcast? Wow. Who would I recommend?

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Ed Newell for one, Pastor Ed. I'm trying. He's a busy man.

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Yes. But he is a very, very busy man. He's a very busy man. He's a very busy man.

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He's a busy man. Yes. But yeah, he used to, he was, his podcast was his idea.

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So I really want to have him on here. Yes. And then he definitely deserves to be on here.

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Yes. Terry Bachner is, yeah. Yeah. She is incredible. She is full of the spirit of God.

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And yes, she, she is wonderful. There are some people, Brandon, Pastor Brandon Major.

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Yep. Pastor Rob. He's been on, yeah.

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Leah. I have not had Leah. I've asked Pastor Rob, but I haven't asked Leah yet.

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Yeah. Yeah. Those are the people that I've, man, they walk in the power of the spirit and walk in

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humility. And you can't walk in the power of the spirit of God without humility. It doesn't work.

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Yeah. That's the only way it functions. So those are the people, those are the people that I want

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in my corner. Those are the people that I will be in their corner praying and holding them up.

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And those are the people I want in my corner. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Well, thank you for those.

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I have to reach out to them. What are you guys? Thank you for listening to this episode of

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