Hey guys, welcome back to Technically Short, to the final episode of our Why Are You Here
series.
In this episode, I get to have an amazing conversation with my friend, Taylor Fink.
He talks about his experiences of going through alcoholism and how he is using that experience
and how God helped him work through that to now be able to help other people going through
the same thing and how he believes that is part of the purpose on his life.
I get to discover some things about getting to record again after about a month and I
share a couple of vulnerable things about that experience.
So guys, again, we say it all the time, take out your notebook, take some notes or your
phone, notepad app, whatever you want to do, and we'll see you in there.
All right.
Hey guys, welcome to this episode of Technically Short.
I'm here without Sean.
But I am here with a guest co-host, Taylor Fink.
It's weird and also you might not know this, so you might know this, I'm not really sure.
I haven't recorded an episode in like a month.
This is the first episode that's been recorded since Sean went into basic training.
It feels a little weird, to be honest.
But I think we're continuing on with this series on why are you here?
I asked Taylor a while ago and if we wanted to talk about this, he said yes.
So I was like, let's do it.
So Taylor, for those who don't know you, I'll give a little bit of a background.
I've known Taylor for a few years now and we've served together at church in production
for our young adult group during Sundays.
He has a servant heart.
You can tell that he wants to help people.
From the conversations I've gotten with him, he just wants to.
He is taking his own personal experiences and struggles and helping other people get
through similar things.
And maybe we'll dive into that a little bit if we get to that.
So Taylor is just a man who serves God with this utmost of integrity and he takes his
serving seriously whenever he's serving on mixing broadcast audio, which I think is really
cool.
He's just great all around.
So guys, welcome Taylor Fink to the Technically Short podcast.
I'm glad to be here.
Thank you for asking me, Thomas.
For sure, man.
So I give you a little introduction, but for those who don't know you, why don't you like
... and maybe that wasn't enough for them to know who you are.
Why don't you give them a little bit of a background of who Taylor Fink is?
So for me, I've grown up going to church and had great family, great parents, two younger
siblings.
I've just always had a giving heart and wanting to help others and trying to learn how to
do that growing up and just went down a difficult path seeking that and kind of have thankfully
gotten back on the right path over the past few years with being in recovery and Alcoholics
Anonymous and just have grown exponentially.
I have many different passions in life with being musical and creative with writing, especially
poetry and just being able to serve at church and help others that have gone through similar
experiences myself as I have and getting the opportunity recently to speak at AA meetings
and just being able to give back from all that I've received and been blessed with in
life.
Yeah, man.
That's what I was referring to about you get to speak at AA meetings and things like that.
You get the opportunity and God gives you that position to help others, to help others
who are going through what you've gone through and what he still in some respects still bring
you through.
Yeah, definitely.
But it's funny, as I was talking just a little bit ago, a bit of a tangent that that's how
I work, but I was thinking in past episodes, I've talked about how this is not strictly
a Christian podcast, but is a podcast that has been created by Christians.
Sean and I are both Christians and we talk about God a lot, but we don't advertise this
as a Christian podcast.
We advertise this as a podcast.
It's how I'm wrapping it in.
A podcast that provides the tools that people can use and sometimes need to use in order
to pursue the calling that is on their lives.
We believe that calling comes from God and that's the purpose of the series that we're
in is the calling, the purpose that's on your life.
In your mind, I don't know if I connected that well, but in your mind, whenever you're
talking about purpose, what do you think it is and what do you think the purpose of purpose
is?
Of purpose, it's just trying to piece together meaning to have that drive or that fire in
life and just whatever is on your heart or whatever you feel like you're being called
or led to do in life, just trying to pursue that passion or if you haven't found it yet,
just trying to pursue and experiment or trying to figure out as you go along this journey
of life, that deeper meaning through finding what your passion is in life.
I'm like, since it's been such a long time since I've recorded, I love this.
I love this because I get to have these conversations that are doing exactly what I believe my purpose
is and I believe my purpose is to provide those tools to people.
I'm tearing up right now because I'm having so much fun right now.
We've only been recording for five minutes.
I'm like, oh my gosh.
I feel that fire.
That's how I know I'm on a path that I want to be on.
I have so much happening in my personal life right now, in other areas of my life.
It doesn't make me ignore that, but the fire I have for this particular thing, but it makes
me realize even if everything seems to fall apart, I know what direction I'm headed.
I know what purpose is on my life and it's such a good feeling to know that whenever
I'm like, man, this actually feels really good to be in this position.
I had a couple episodes ago, for me, a month and a half ago, recorded an episode with Meg
Correal.
She was like, Thomas, we have words of exaltation, which I did to you in a different way earlier
in the podcast.
She was like, Thomas and Sean, I'm going to do that for you now at the end.
I was like, oh, okay.
She looked at me and she was like, Thomas, you were telling me years ago how you wanted
to help people and coach people and give people these things and you're doing it.
I never thought about it that way.
I was like, holy cow.
Man, purpose is cool.
It becomes so natural.
That's what purpose is.
It's a natural response to that spark you end up getting.
I'm really tearing up right now.
It's that natural response that you get whenever you feel that spark.
Man, have you... I'll talk a little bit less.
It wasn't the question that I said, but whenever you talk about the spark, what do you think?
Have you felt that before?
Definitely.
With having the opportunity to speak, especially being more of a quiet, introverted person
myself, it feels natural.
In a way, effortless.
Everything's falling into place, especially through writing as well, writing a lot of
poetry.
It's not forced.
It just comes naturally with whatever that thing is in your life.
Even the discovery and the trying to figure out what that is can be exciting and just
inspiring to get out there.
Being able to help somebody else is so rewarding.
Being able to connect with like-minded people and have somebody else be transformed by something
that you did and having that chain reaction through you helping somebody and then somebody
else being able to help another person and so on, it's just beautiful to have that purpose
unfold wherever you're called.
I know feeling like multiple callings in life in different directions, but it's so rewarding
and just having the opportunity and not getting in the way of what God has planned and starting
to have that confidence in myself and just receive what God has blessed me with and not
diminish the call that He has placed for me.
Just continuing on that on the daily process.
It's every day you're learning something new and just continuing on and being that work
in progress until I die essentially.
I think whenever you think about... You're talking about from your experience and your
purpose.
The goal of anybody's purpose is to serve people in some sort of way.
Your purpose isn't just for you.
If other people aren't being affected by your purpose, you're not actually living in your
purpose.
You're just doing whatever people say you do you.
That's what you're doing.
You're not in your purpose if you're just doing you.
I've always disliked that term to be honest.
I think you're talking about whenever you get to help one person and you get to help
one person in the way that aligns with your purpose, you get to help them figure out... If
you get to help them aligns with their purpose, aligns with your purpose, you get to help
them in a way that somebody else might not have been able to.
You also get to help them possibly... Maybe figure out the purpose if that's part of your
purpose.
I think in more of a generic sense, when you help somebody through your purpose, you're
serving them from the best angle you can.
You're giving them something that they can then take and pass on.
It's not going to be exactly the same thing that they receive when they give it.
It's going to be something that's aligned with... Hopefully aligned with their purpose.
I'm just trying to think of... I use that kind of like that spider web effect that happens
that cause an effect.
I thought it was really cool, so I wanted to feed off of it.
I started to ramble, so I'm going to ask you a second question.
We all started about the spark and this wasn't on the thing either, but do you remember that
the first time you felt it?
I don't know if I remember the first time, but just having that feeling of confirmation
or of assurance, just knowing that I'm in the right place at the right time and being
able to help somebody else or to say something or somebody speaking life into me and knowing
that I'm on the right path and not just wondering, is this where I need to be or am I doing the
right thing or just not having to worry about where I'm at, just knowing or just that feeling
that comes out, that warm feeling of... or goosebumps or whatever it may feel like.
It might be different for everybody, but yeah.
You don't know that you're in that moment when you're in that moment.
I've talked to people I've sent out of pockets before about when I realized... I started
to realize... I just had this weird natural... I got interested in philosophy and I was
through a YouTube video that I watched from PewDiePie.
I was like... I think we did a book review and I was on a Nick and Kenan Ethics and I
was like, man, that sounds kind of cool.
I bought the book and I was like, wow, this is really cool.
Then I just started to be down into the path and eventually it led me to wanting to be
a coach.
It led me to do this podcast in the way that we're doing it now.
I can think back and actually track it, which is kind of cool.
I can track the trajectory that Matt set me on.
God lined it up.
It's cool to think about how God lines things up whenever you think... I was with PewDiePie
for years before that and just that one video that sparked me.
I was like, huh.
Anyway, when it comes to purpose in your life and your... I think you've talked a lot about
your purpose being aligned with what you're doing at the AA meetings and how you get to
speak at those.
Do you have a... If you had to, and this might be hard to do right now, so no worries.
Do you have more of a definite idea of what your purpose is or is it more of a... Is
it like, I'm just... Right now I'm meant to do this.
I'm meant to help people through this.
Yeah, through having the opportunity to speak and just starting to have those experience
in my past before coming into recovery and even now having some time in recovery just
over a few years, but I just celebrated a year recently again.
Having newcomers that are coming in now, being able to share my experience with them and
starting to see others grow and blossom as they go along this journey as well.
Yeah, it's beautiful to see others from where I was at to see where somebody else that is
at the same point and then watching them grow is like kind of looking in the mirror, being
able to see myself through that and through the poetry being able to write and kind of
put myself in different perspectives and being able to empathize with people that may have
gone through something that I went through in the past and possibly be able to connect
with others even beyond a... Yeah, I think it's cool that you're using
these gifts that God gave you, like being able to write poetry and your artistic ability
of writing poetry.
You can... I don't know, maybe one day you'll figure out how to use drumming for it, but
you're realizing all these things you can use as tools to feed into your purpose and
feed into how you can help other people and serve others.
There's this one thing with particular leadership, there's this thing like a good leader doesn't
sit, stand at the top of the mountain, but a good leader walks back down and then guides
them back up because they know where the pitfalls are.
Right.
Don't step over there, don't step over there like you'll get into Jaggerbush.
Don't... Oh, there's a cliff over there, you're going to fall back down if you go there,
if you go that route.
That's exactly what you're doing.
That's what you're saying.
I see this person where I was and you're walking back down the mountain so you can walk up
next to them and pick them up when they fall and be there for them.
You're using that gift that God gave you of recovery to be able to help other people and
help God give people that same gift.
You're an instrument for that.
I think there's a lot of... I'm trying to think of the word.
There's a lot of credence.
That's not the same word I was thinking of, but that makes sense.
There's a lot of credence to that.
There's a lot of... You get a lot out of thinking.
Anybody can think of what have I gone through because I know I'm not the only one.
Like me with my medical condition, it would be so cool one day.
Get through this.
I know there's other people out there that have already gone through this part of having
muscular dystonia, if that's what I have, like Dr. Torchoria, but having just chronic
pain will say there's millions and millions of people that have gone through it and have
gone through the other side where they're managing it now or have completely got rid
of it and helping other people get to that point.
I would love to be one of those people.
I would do it in a way that aligns with the purpose that God has on my life.
To be able to be like, yeah, I know it sucks, but I also know where you have the potential
to get to.
That's a really cool feeling to think about that.
I want to ask my other questions, but at the same time, it's like it's really such a pivot,
a hard pivot.
But like, oh man.
Well, before I go on, do you have anything you would want to add?
Yeah, I was thinking of a book that I had read a little while ago, Fathered by God by
John Eldridge, just those different stages of life where you're as a kid and then growing
to become an adult and then as an adult being able to help others and just those different
stages of life where you are served and then you're able to serve others and being able
to utilize your life experiences.
Whether you're in Alcoholics Anonymous or another fellowship, we all crave that fellowship of
being able to find people that are like-minded and maybe have gone through different experiences
or different trauma and just being able to heal ourselves and then utilizing those experiences
to help others.
In AA, something that I've heard, that dark past can become our most valued possession
and being able to bring back that life and somebody else and then continuing that chain
reaction from person to person over time.
That's really cool.
I love it.
I love the idea you can use that dark past because people are always like, you don't
know at the time, but there's always a light at the end of the tunnel.
We believe that God's that light.
We believe that God's that guiding force, that guiding power.
He puts light on our path and guides our steps.
Even whenever we're not saying explicitly, even if we're full on, don't believe in the
say we're in the point of our lives, we're not following Christ at all.
A lot of times when we're in those dark, not all the time, but sometimes we're in those
dark spots because we're not following God.
Then we look back and if you get to that point where you're following Christ and you can
look back and be like, wow, God actually brought me through that.
I never thought I was going to get out of it.
I don't know where I'd be otherwise.
Again, I'm kind of rambling, but I just... I don't know.
It's cool.
I think back to him, it's like, wow.
I wrote down that book you mentioned.
You said Fathered by God by John Eldridge?
Yes.
Okay, cool.
I think one of the questions I have here is talking about... You've gone through struggles
and you've already mentioned that.
That's a big part of your testimony.
That's a big part of your... That's a big part of your personal... Is your past struggles.
Correct.
During those times, you're not really thinking purpose when you're in the dark.
Yeah, you're not comprehending that at all.
If you could go back to that person, to go back to you, or talk to the person that whenever
you feel like you're looking into a mirror, what do you typically say to the person?
It's not something that particularly maybe has to do with something with purpose, but
to show somebody and to help people understand that they're valued and that they have value
and that they have a purpose.
Then eventually that would help them understand that they have a purpose.
What do you typically say to somebody?
If you were like somebody who was like, man, I just don't feel like I have anything going
on.
I don't feel like I have a purpose and I don't feel like there's any reason for me to be
here.
What would you say?
Just try to be encouraging.
For me, in that darkness, it's hard to see anything, really.
Just being stuck in that and not really having a will to live or kind of being afraid to
live but scared to die in a way.
And like, why am I even here?
But by the grace of God, just through the chain of events that have happened in my life
and just looking for something different or a better way of living and stumbling upon
recovery and being surrounded by so many great men and women and being poured into.
It's hard to say one specific thing that you might say, but depending on the case that
you're dealing with or the circumstances that somebody's going through and just allowing
God to speak or to work through you to be able to… because God knows what needs to
be said or what needs to happen.
I don't have the words, but as long as I'm willing to be a vessel for God and allow him
to work through me, that's when I can be utilized to say something encouraging or to
be able to give something to somebody else.
And again, in AA they say you can't keep it unless you give it away.
And just being able to give back from all that I've been blessed with and given, it's
just now being able to see that cycle, it's beautiful.
I know going through it, it's tough and it seems like it's never ending.
And just going after those pleasurable things of drinking and smoking and other substance
and just trying to find the solution, trying to find an outward solution for an inside
job because ultimately for alcoholism that disease starts in the mind.
Alcohol is but a symptom and I have to look inwardly to be able to rectify and to start
to heal and being connected with other people that have gone through similar things and
hearing their experiences and just surrendering to God or as they say in AA your higher power.
It's just beautiful to be able to see that now.
I just have to process that because what you mentioned, I think it was really good, essentially
don't look for external solutions for an internal problem and I'm like, dude, that's deep.
But it's real.
That starts in the mind and it starts in the mind and it affects your soul and your spirit.
If you can't get your mind right, you're not going to get your body right.
You're not going to get your soul right or vice versa.
You get your soul right, get your mind right, lead you to get your body right and help you
get your life right.
You deal with the internal and the external follow.
When my life changed, I never relied on alcohol.
It's part of our society to rely on alcohol to be like, oh man, I had a special rough
day, get me a beer.
That was the culture I grew up in.
I'm not sure you could say grew up in, but I wasn't in college.
My dad was more like, I need a beer so I can fall asleep because it helps me sleep.
Now he knows, yeah, that probably wasn't the best thing.
It's not the right kind of sleep.
It's not the right kind of tired.
Once I shifted my life, me, I started going in more with Christ.
I was never addicted to alcohol, but my craving for it just fell away.
I tried, I'll have very small drinks every now and then, very minor.
I literally had maybe a couple ounces at my parents' house.
I had some whiskey.
I went to try it.
It was from the 60s.
I was like, sure.
The ancient stuff.
My craving disappeared.
One reason was I don't want to spend the money on beer because it's expensive.
If I drink beer, it's an IPA.
That's expensive.
I remember my last beer run was $74 because I only bought IPAs.
I wasn't keeping a budget.
I looked at it and I was like, oh, that's a lot of money.
Cool.
When I moved to the place I'm at now, I literally threw away all of my bottles.
I was like, man, those have been sitting in my cabinet for two years.
I was going to throw them away because they were going to take up space at this point.
I just tossed them.
I was like, whatever.
I tossed a couple bottles of stuff.
That's probably the 10% that I consider that what I want to keep.
Sure, if I ever try that, if everyone wants it, it's there.
Everything else is gone.
You keep the 10% of the stuff.
I'm like, cool.
I still haven't had an actual full drink in years.
I'm not trying to put myself on any pedals.
I'm just thinking about when you get your life right, all these things are for changing.
You're things that you go to for... We're kind of off the talking purpose, but we're
like, I don't care.
Very good.
I don't want to speak to... We can talk to each other.
You can talk to the listener, but listeners, hopefully you get more than one.
It's just one.
I hope you're having a good time.
I hope you're learning a lot and your life is being made better as a result.
When I personally accepted Christ into my life and started getting my life in a better
position, the natural response without me even thinking about it was for things that
were unhealthy for me to do to fall away.
For me to actually think more about things like, what is the calling?
It's on my life.
Why am I here?
It caused me to be like, man, I just kind of went with the flow of what everybody says
to do.
It feels like I became aware of the matrix.
Wait a second.
Is this really what's happening?
Is this really it?
That's literally how I feel.
I'm not like some people who believe we're in the matrix, but it's like I woke up.
I went to college.
I went to high school.
I went to college.
I got a job.
At one point, I had a girlfriend.
I'm like, wow, that's what you're supposed to do.
That's what life is.
That's what everybody says.
And then if you question it, people think you're weird.
And I'm like, good, I hate normal.
Like, normal, like, nobody, nobody ever succeeded
by being normal.
Boom, mic drop.
Like, I've never ever did anything awesome
by being a normal human being.
Cause normal people are boring.
And normal people, like, maybe they copy stuff
and it's nothing worthwhile.
I'm hitting so many, I'm probably making people angry.
If some people, I'll probably make somebody angry.
But that's fine.
That's fine, you can be angry, it's okay.
You don't have to listen.
Don't give me a one star, those are worthless.
We don't need one star reviews.
Give us a five star though, I didn't say that yet.
But like, man, like, I lost my whole train of thought.
But like, the whole purpose of purpose, right?
It's the whole purpose of purpose to, it is like,
like maybe it is doing what everybody else does,
but with a different realization of like,
I'm actually gonna use this in a different way.
Like, it is, for many people, like,
we need people to be at desktop.
We need people to be like developers
and like construction workers and stuff like that.
And to go along that normal, quote unquote normal path.
But we need the people who are staying the gap,
who are like, I'm not just here to go with the flow.
I'm here to make a difference.
I'm here to help other people
get through their struggles like you.
We're here to like, we're here to make,
I'm not here to just do the job,
I'm here to do it with excellence.
Because that's why I'm here.
I'm here to do an excellent,
I'm here to do an excellent job
because I'm not here for me, I'm here for the kingdom.
I'm not here for the, I'm not here for me,
I'm here for the people around me, you know?
Like, it's not just, ah!
I like, like, when you finally, like,
sometimes you just wanna like, tell people to wake up.
Right.
And be like, guys, like, this is not all there is.
Like, there's more to your life
than what you're doing right now.
No matter what you're doing, there's more to life.
Yeah.
There's always more.
And like, not saying you should always try
to get to the new thing, the new shiny thing,
but I'm like, there's always, like,
like, your purpose isn't just, it isn't in the box.
Your purpose, like, I love what John Maxwell says.
I said it on the podcast before.
I know, I'm talking a lot.
And I wanna, I wanna, I wanna you to say something.
I wanna see if you have something.
But like, John Maxwell says,
a calling is a purpose with a divine touch.
I don't think, you know, he says it all the time.
Don't know if he still said it.
He said it once.
I'm like, he said it at least once.
But, but like, I'm like, man, a calling,
for people who don't really know where,
how I got to that, like, thought process,
they ended up coming to that point.
I'm like, I know, I know it might not make sense.
I'm like, how I came to, like, John Maxwell said this thing
after everything I just said.
But like, like, just think about that.
The purpose, like, if your purpose,
I already said, if your purpose isn't bigger than you,
then it's not a purpose.
But I think what the case John Maxwell was making was,
if your purpose is bigger than you, then it's a calling.
And I feel that other people can say other things.
Like, I think your purpose goes with you everywhere you go
and get out multiple callings for the same purpose.
And there's, and like, but you can think about that
in any way you want.
Like, or seriously, like, I think there's,
I've heard like, during this series,
I've heard people say, like,
their perspective on purpose.
And I think they're all right.
Like, I don't think any of them are wrong.
I'm just like, but I'm like, people have this purpose
that goes with them everywhere they go.
And like, they're calling, like, and they're calling,
and I don't know if there's one calling, you know?
Yeah, there's, you could have like,
numerous different callings in life.
Like, in one season you could be here,
and then the next over here, or wherever life may lead,
as God leads you through life.
And everybody has a different perspective
and different experiences in life
and different outlook on what they perceive purpose
and calling to be.
Yeah.
And having those awakenings in life
and being able to see life for what it really is,
not like being stuck and having the blinders on
and not being able to see clearly,
and starting to see like the spiritual realm
in the physical world is like,
you see so much more than what people
that aren't aware of that.
Yeah.
And it's like, how can you see that?
How can't you see that?
But if you're looking at it from their perspective,
they just aren't awake to that.
They're still like, I guess in a way asleep.
Yeah.
And just have to kind of understand that in a way,
just trying to look at things
through different perspectives or something
that just popped into my head.
Hearing from Jaco Willink,
he in one of his podcasts
mentioned about being able to detach
and being in the military
and being able to take a step back in that chaotic moment
and being able to analyze the situation,
like detaching from the emotion
and seeing things clearly
and being able to move forward
and progress through that,
whether it's chaotic or not,
just handling each situation as they present themselves
and continuing to proceed whatever the day might bring.
And whether it's a hundred different things
getting pulled in like 50 different directions
or if it's smooth sailing,
whatever it may be, just kind of,
and it takes a long time to get there.
Like, I mean, something might be easier for some people,
but there could be more callings
that I don't even know about in my life yet
that down the line I might discover
and just start to learn about.
The more I learn about myself
through taking the action daily,
and if I'm not taking the action every day,
then I could potentially start to go backwards
because an analogy they use in AA,
is like in recovery,
you're kind of walking up and down an escalator.
If you're not moving forward,
then you're moving backwards.
Yeah.
It could relate to other fat assets of life
and just,
because the devil or the enemy is always there
or the enemy is always trying to take us out.
I know I can see that more clearly now
and seeing those different cycles where he is attacking
or trying to utilize temptation
or just persuade me away or a lot of,
I know for me there's a lot of distractions
or potential distractions,
especially with all the technology and social media
and just the mindless scrolling
or seeing different advertisements.
Yeah.
Just in different points,
trying to be aware of that
and to kind of sidestep it and move around it
and be able to continue to proceed in life
wherever I'm at,
whether at work or in some other activity
and just continuing to strengthen that armor
to be able to be prepared
for whatever there is those attacks.
No man, that's really good.
Like you made me think a while ago,
I was like going off my own little world for a second
because I'm gonna say this
and then we probably should wrap up
because we've been going for a while.
I didn't realize, it's 424.
But you made me think about my current situation
and I'll probably maybe talk about that.
Maybe I'll do a solo episode one time,
through it a little bit more.
But talking about detaching yourself
from the situation and away from the emotion
and what is this situation
in its most factual true sense
and what makes the most sense to do right now.
And that's something I need to work on
because I'm in a highly emotional person.
It's not a bad thing.
My emotions are just very prevalent
and I feel like they're on the surface a lot of the time.
And so it's really hard for me to do that,
to detach myself, detach my emotions
from the situation so I can just look at it for what it is
and not letting it be influenced by any emotion.
I don't wanna say good or bad
because I don't think there are necessarily any bad emotions.
I think God gave us all of them for a reason.
But yeah, I think that's really, really good.
I don't wanna, we could go longer.
I know we could.
So maybe we will another time
and we'll see.
But this was great, a fantastic conversation.
To wrap up, Taylor,
you already kind of mentioned a couple resources
and I'll ask you about that podcast
after we're done recording.
They did mention, I'm gonna link to it.
But what are some,
if you have any other resources,
when it comes to purpose,
when it comes to helping people discover
or get out of the rut that they're in,
what are some really good,
what are some resources,
like top ones that you would recommend to people typically?
Like books, podcasts, I mean you already mentioned both,
but if you have any other ones that you can think of.
Yeah, two books that come to mind.
One I read recently is The Body Keeps the Score,
just kind of learning about the mind
and being able to work through trauma
or different catastrophic events that might have occurred
in life and being able to understand
or start to understand the mind
and just kind of moving forward and progressing.
The author really articulates on that
and just so many examples of people
that he has worked with over time.
Another book that I'm currently reading
with a men's group right now
is called How God Makes Men
and just uses or utilizes different people from the Bible
on how they were transformed from their situation
and how God utilized them.
It's just amazing, more insight on these biblical people
and yeah, those two books,
I haven't listened to a lot of podcasts,
but at some point I'm kind of hoping,
or I'm currently working on a poetry book myself
and just with over the past few years,
just getting into writing a lot
and just really loving it
and just the words kind of flow out of me at various times
and it's crazy how God works and how God speaks
and just being able to utilize that.
So at some point that book could potentially come out.
Oh yeah, now it's coming out.
It's gonna happen.
Yeah, it will.
That's awesome.
It was the title that I was thinking of for it
is called Recovery Remedy.
Okay.
And yeah.
That's awesome, man.
Love it.
We'll see, I don't know when that would be,
but just continuing to grow in purpose and writing
and at some point that will come out
and it was kind of feeling like,
could I read one of the poems that I have?
Sure, go for it, man.
Yeah, it was just something that I've read
after giving out or sharing my experience at a meeting
and it's just trying,
not trying to hold it in
and being able to share the words that God provides.
The words that God provides.
Yeah.
There's like two different parts to it.
It's called Welcome Home.
So here we go.
Lost soul come to become whole.
Molding your role, wearing the soul, filling the hole.
Shedding the old to make way for the new.
The brighter vision's in view.
What will you choose?
What are you willing to lose?
Descending to worse or deciding to put in the work?
Of course, things could always be worse.
I'll be fine.
Starting to deny, declining to get high.
Losing the sight and the eye of why.
Who knows?
As the symptoms show unwillingness to grow,
bestow the glow, setting the ducks in a row
to ascending from low, paying what we owe.
Discovering better, no need to render,
playing the pretender, estimating the weather
while holding everything together.
Let it all go to bestow,
learning which way to go from the one who knows.
Venturing on the voyage, bleeding out the baggage,
clearing up the static while quitting this habit.
I've had it, no more.
Take a step back to reset, regroup and respond.
Wanting to attack, avenging all the attacks
that linger in last will pass their welcome.
The passage to the well, passing through hell,
starting to realize and dwell on ourselves.
Mending, melting the miserable mind,
intertwining, dividing the line, sin subsiding,
denying the line to undermining the underlying issues.
Roots rotting, the faulty foundation
scattered from where our aim is.
Is the flame wet?
Where are you stationed?
What's the underlying notion?
Gain your focus, fix the broken lens.
Stop to pretend and to pretense,
starting a new sequence of events
from the decent to become decent.
In the mix, contributing member
from the weather in December.
Remember, it gets better.
Keep coming back to attract the act
of learning how to laugh and relax on the comeback,
ready to act in the fashion that your father's after.
Dude.
That's awesome, man.
I really do.
Man, that's great.
You're awesome, man.
Fantastic.
Well, thank you for reading that.
Definitely. That was great.
Yeah.
And like, man, I wanna ask one more question,
but I was like, man, that'd be a great spot to end it,
but I have one more question.
Sure.
Who do you think would be a good guest
to have on this podcast?
Who do you think, who would you recommend?
Well, the first person that comes to mind
is a good friend of mine.
His name's, he also goes to the church
that we go to, Pat Barnes.
Pat Barnes, yeah.
He's been such a positive influence on my life
and has really helped me in the right direction
over these past few years
and just really has benefited my life.
Yeah.
Can't thank him enough.
Yeah.
It's really awesome, man.
Thank you for that recommendation.
Well, man, thank you for being on the podcast.
Definitely.
I don't know when these episodes gonna come out,
but it will.
I will make sure that it happens at some point.
This recording has kinda rejuvenated that part of me.
I'm like, man, I gotta get on this again.
I'm really happy that we got the opportunity to do this.
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