1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:10,400 What's going on guys? Welcome to this episode of Why Are You Here on Technically Short. 2 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:16,720 Today we have a heartfelt conversation with our special guest Meg Croyle. 3 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:21,920 Meg shares her insights on purpose and we discuss how it is not solely related to one's 4 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:27,940 career or actions but also tied to one's creation and existence. She emphasizes that 5 00:00:27,940 --> 00:00:34,240 purpose is multi-layered and can be found in everyday experiences. She also delves into 6 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:38,640 her personal journey with depression and how understanding her purpose helped her through 7 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:44,080 it. We also end up discussing the value of realizing one's individuality and how it 8 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:48,280 contributes to the uniqueness of their purpose. 9 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:56,200 Guys, Meg is one of the nicest, sweetest people you're ever going to hear and hopefully meet 10 00:00:56,200 --> 00:01:00,760 one day. So take your notebook, take your pen out, take some notes and we'll see you 11 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:01,760 in there. 12 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:14,320 Hey guys, welcome to Technically Short. I'm Sean. I'm Thomas. And today's episode we 13 00:01:14,320 --> 00:01:15,320 have a special guest. 14 00:01:15,320 --> 00:01:27,640 Alright guys, today our guest is Meg Croyle and before we let her talk, we're going to 15 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:33,520 give the exaltations a little bit differently this time. Well, not differently, but I have 16 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:40,520 an extra piece to it. Okay. So I did the same thing last time. I just kind of wrote instead 17 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:45,800 of bullet points now, I like kind of writing a sentence. So I'm going to say mine, you 18 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:54,160 can say yours and I have one more thing. Okay. So Meg is kind, loving and caring. She's not 19 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:58,480 just a leader of people younger than her, but to those around her as well. She's one 20 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:04,920 of many women we know that set a great example for others to follow. 21 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:12,320 That's really good. If I describe Meg, I would say that she's a godly woman, a strong woman, 22 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:22,280 kind, loving, all in all fun. She's super fun. And yeah, she's a wonderful influencer 23 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,760 to the generations to come and the generations before. 24 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:26,760 Thanks guys. 25 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:35,160 So in the last night at like 8.30, I had a thought, it was like, we know you from a particular 26 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:46,400 angle, but what's the perception of somebody else? So I reached out to Nate Miller at 8.30 27 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:51,000 last night. I was like, Hey man, how do you see Meg? 28 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:52,000 Just out of the blue. 29 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:58,160 I was like, can you give me like a description? He's like, what do you mean? Give me some 30 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:03,720 more context. And this is what he said. He said, I see Meg as a loving, caring and great 31 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:09,240 person. She knows how to lead our generation and youth group as well. And it's awesome 32 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:14,760 to be able to know her as a leader and a friend. If I could give you one word to describe Meg, 33 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:20,520 it would be joy. Because Meg is always doing everything in joy and always has a smile on 34 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:27,120 her face. Whether that be worshiping, preaching, working, or just hanging out, you can count 35 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,480 on Meg to always be smiling and happy to be there. 36 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:37,480 Well, thanks Nate. I love you. I totally forgot this is like what you guys do at the beginning. 37 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:43,000 And I love that you do that, but I wasn't prepared for it emotionally. It just starts 38 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,000 the podcast crying. 39 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:47,000 Thank you for being on the show. 40 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:51,800 Thank you for having me. I'm so excited. 41 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:56,200 What is like for people who don't know you, like a quick rundown of who Meg Croyall is? 42 00:03:56,200 --> 00:04:06,000 Yeah, absolutely. I'm Meg Croyall. I am 22. I am a part time barista, part time student. 43 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:10,840 I love working, like was mentioned, at our church. I love serving with our youth ministry. 44 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:17,600 So I'm really passionate about the next generation. And I love coffee. I think, I don't know what 45 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,760 else, I think that's the Meg in a bubble. 46 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:27,080 That's awesome. So you know that this series, this is part, I think I put down part five. 47 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:34,200 Yeah, pretty sure. Might be wrong. But part five of the series, Why Are You Here? And 48 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:41,320 series all about purpose. So like from what, from your perception, what is the purpose 49 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:42,320 of purpose? 50 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:46,480 Okay, I love this question. I actually did a little bit of homework beforehand. I looked 51 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:52,200 up just the definition when you Google purpose, what is purpose? And it said the reason for 52 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:57,600 which something is done or created. And I actually really love that because I feel like 53 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:01,800 whenever you try to tackle the topic of purpose, it's like so massive. Like, I feel like that's 54 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,680 why there's so much content on it. And it's like, you think by now we would have been 55 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,880 like, no, we nailed down what purpose is like, why do we need to keep talking about it? But 56 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:16,320 it's like, no, there's still so much. And I think it's multi layered. And so I've also 57 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,720 been listening to the last several episodes of the podcast, and you guys have done such 58 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:26,280 a great job with it. And I like love that there's so much depth to go into, I think. 59 00:05:26,280 --> 00:05:30,640 So when I was thinking about like my answer, I actually before knowing this definition, 60 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:37,120 almost came to the conclusion that that was the definition. Because I know you guys are 61 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:41,320 believers, and this is specifically Christian podcast, but you guys are both Christians. 62 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:47,400 So it's like, gotta influence things. And like I am as well. But I was also thinking, 63 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:52,360 like, I have a lot of dear friends that aren't believers. And so I wouldn't go as far as 64 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:57,040 saying like, they don't have purpose. And so I was like, just kind of thinking through, 65 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:02,040 like, what does that mean? And I think that's kind of it of like, purpose can be the reason 66 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:07,280 you were created. And that's like, that innately ties you to like being created by someone. 67 00:06:07,280 --> 00:06:13,440 And like, you can't fully understand the totality of purpose if you don't have that, at least 68 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:18,840 my take on it. But then there's also the reason for which something is done. And it's like, 69 00:06:18,840 --> 00:06:24,080 I know people who are very purposeful, who aren't believers or have different beliefs. 70 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:28,200 And so I was like, okay, what does that look like? And I think it's because it's multi 71 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:32,400 layered. And so I can see people that have a lot of purpose in their work or in their 72 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:37,360 families or like, they take pride in, I want to care for them, I want to bring a certain 73 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:42,640 joy or light to this thing, and I want to reach a certain goal. And so there's like 74 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:47,480 a purpose, a focus, there's a reason that you're going after it. And then there's also, 75 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:53,360 and I would say even outside of like, what your beliefs are in like God, or if you were 76 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:58,720 created or if you just exist, like whatever you believe in that sense, we all have to 77 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:05,280 agree with we exist, right? Yeah, yeah. There is a reason that in 2024, like Sean Short 78 00:07:05,280 --> 00:07:09,160 and Thomas Carney exist and that you guys are where you're at and that you have the hair 79 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,880 color you have and you have the background you have and the family you have, like all 80 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:18,280 of those things, just like the statistical ability of like, that you specifically with 81 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:23,080 all of the factors that make you you would exist is insane. Yeah. Like, there's, I don't 82 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:28,400 know, 8 million people or whatever on the planet, but there's almost like infinite possibilities 83 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:33,720 of the people that could exist. Right. Yeah. And that we were put here to be people that 84 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:38,800 do exist, not just a theoretical but like, you were chosen with purpose. Yeah, absolutely. 85 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,880 And so that kind of gives me a different look at it that I'm like, well, every single person 86 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:48,640 that is here and is breathing like has purpose, like every person who has lived has and who 87 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:57,520 will live, like there's a purpose to that. That's so good. Wow. That's, that was a lot. 88 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:05,960 That was a lot. That was great. Like, I haven't thought like, these are the things I feel 89 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:13,480 like everybody would say they inherently like, kind of like on a very surface level, no. 90 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:17,720 Yeah. But spending actual time doing a deep dive on it, it's like there's so much more 91 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:25,000 to it than what's on the surface. And like, we're, we all have to agree that yes, we exist. 92 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:33,120 And so if we exist, like, then what is that? What's that for? And like, if I think like, 93 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:37,800 if you're living and you exist, and you think that's just for no reason at all, I think 94 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:46,160 that's depressing. Yeah. And good. I was about to say, but that's what happens when you lack 95 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:54,280 the, the vision of purpose or lack the meaning of your life is you just go through a life 96 00:08:54,280 --> 00:09:01,080 not really existing. You're just, you went to school because you live there, you do the 97 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:06,600 job because your parents did. Like you, when you, you just start becoming like a non-person 98 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:14,440 or NPC. NPC. Yeah. Yeah. Literally become that. And it's like sad, but like you have 99 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:20,600 to like realize that you have value and you bring purpose. And if you don't realize that, 100 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:26,640 then I feel like you lack purpose. And when you lack purpose, you head to a road of destruction. 101 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:31,920 Yeah. Can I add onto that? I actually think it's really interesting that you brought that 102 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:36,920 up because I let a little bit over a year ago went through a period of struggling with 103 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:41,960 depression for the first time. And it's something that like, if you haven't experienced it, 104 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:47,000 it's hard to quantify and understand. And then once you've experienced it, it's like, 105 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:51,880 you have this whole different perception on it. And there's a lot of factors that go into 106 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:56,880 that, like just like biological and you know, like generational and all of the different 107 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:04,320 things. But also I was noticing a lot of the situations that would trigger more so. And 108 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:10,040 it was lacking fulfillment in, but it wasn't like, Oh, I didn't have a purpose. It was, 109 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:16,080 I thought this one box was my purpose. And because I wasn't checking that box, I then 110 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:22,840 lacked purpose. And so I feel like part of what I've been learning is that like, like 111 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:27,200 I said earlier, like purpose is like this whole topic. It's this big, like it's this 112 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:32,960 big dark board almost. And it is compiled of all these different rings and levels. But 113 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:39,840 if I'm only focusing on this one aspect, then I'm going to measure if I have purpose by, 114 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:45,440 if that thing is being successful. And so often like, I think we all know this, we talked 115 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:49,480 about it of like, Oh, it's like the journey is like important. And it's like, yes, the 116 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:53,640 outcome is important, but like who you are and how you live on the way there is like 117 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:57,360 also important. But then when we're in our own lives, it can be easy to like skip over 118 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:03,040 that. And so I, that's where I kind of feel like it does break down to like, okay, purpose 119 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,800 for which you do something. So it's like, okay, even if it's just like a conversation, 120 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:11,160 my purpose is like, I want to get to know the person I'm sitting across from to maximize 121 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:15,280 that. Again, the fact that they are the person that they are, and I'm the person that I am 122 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:20,440 and we are sitting in the same room is crazy. And so taking the moment to be like, okay, 123 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,840 then I just want to, who knows like what we might connect on. Like I don't want to take 124 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:29,680 this moment for granted. Excuse me. But then also, and this is where a little bit of my 125 00:11:29,680 --> 00:11:37,080 faith comes into is if you go back to the definition of like, you were created, you 126 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:41,800 have to recognize your purpose before it relates to other people, before it relates to boss 127 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:49,320 that you can check off, relates to I was created. And so however you take that, however you 128 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,600 took that, like that wouldn't be a challenge for the listeners of just like sitting with 129 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:57,920 that for a moment. It's like, where does that take you? For me, it takes me to, okay, if 130 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:04,720 God created me, then the first thing that I'm, my purpose is, is to be loved by God. 131 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:11,560 And then in turn for me to love him. And before anything else that there's purpose in that. 132 00:12:11,560 --> 00:12:16,600 And so I try to remind myself of that, especially I'm a very go getter. And I think a lot of 133 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,800 your listeners are too, like this whole podcast is all like personal development and growth, 134 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:25,000 you know? And that's a good thing. But I often have to check myself and be like, okay, am 135 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:30,000 I getting my worth and my purpose from things that I may or may not do? Or from the fact 136 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:38,600 that it's a miracle that I'm here, you know? That's a blessing. I think I got chills. 137 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:44,640 Like I love, I have the definition you said, like purpose is like the reason something 138 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:50,600 is done or created. So like, if you think you're fulfilling your purpose by checking 139 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:56,640 a box, like that you're doing, that's something you're doing. But then what's the reason behind 140 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:02,000 that? What's the reason behind what you're doing? I feel like, like me, I want to be 141 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:05,240 a life coach. I want to coach people, but that's something I'm wanting to do. But that 142 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:13,720 was, why do I want to do that? And like that we can, that's a topic for another day. But 143 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:21,840 I actually had more, that would have been a whole tangent. But John Maxwell talks about, 144 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:28,400 we brought him up a lot, but like he has a take on purpose, which is really interesting. 145 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:37,280 And it goes into our faith as well. A calling is a purpose with a divine touch. And he says, 146 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:43,680 and then he goes on to say, it was a different talk, he did a different time. There's, I 147 00:13:43,680 --> 00:13:51,840 mean, if you have, it was the difference between career and calling. And he goes, if you're, 148 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:57,800 and then how purpose works into that. If you're purpose, if you're bigger than your purpose, 149 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:04,760 then you have a career. If you're in that space, if that's what you're going for, if 150 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:10,280 your purpose is bigger than you, then you have a calling. Wow. That is good. And like, 151 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,600 what you, it's like, you have to understand what your purpose is before it can affect 152 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:20,600 other people. That's so good. And like, so I feel like a lot of people, like, yeah, you 153 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:26,920 can, they say their purpose is to, like, it could be maybe they don't physically think 154 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:30,280 about it, but like they're, but they're working on becoming successful. They want to be financially 155 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:34,440 successful when I have the family, when I do all these things. And like you said, if 156 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:38,200 they don't, if you don't get to that point, then what it, what, like you feel, you feel 157 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:43,800 empty. There's something missing. And then it's like actually retroactively thinking 158 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:49,640 like, man, like, why do I actually want these things? Like not that you shouldn't want them, 159 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:54,560 but understanding why you do. And then that's the purpose behind all that. Oh, that's so 160 00:14:54,560 --> 00:15:01,840 good. Man. If, if I could touch on that, I just feel like everything you hit was like, 161 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:08,400 man, like a home run. Every time you were speaking, you, Annick, when I see purpose, 162 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:19,000 I see Moses. I see where God has divinely touched a man who had a heart for his people. 163 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:23,840 Because Moses at first was an Egyptian royalty. Like he didn't have to do any of that. Let's 164 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:28,640 just be real. He could have just sat back and did nothing and had the best life because 165 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:37,000 he is Egyptian royalty based off of God's word placement. Like God placed Moses as a 166 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:43,040 baby into the royalty family. You know what I mean? So there's so much factors that came 167 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:50,480 into that. Um, that was incredible because he could have just been a regular Hebrew slave, 168 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:58,040 right? But his purpose was to free the slaves. And like, and the way it was designed, I would 169 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:05,240 say is this is where it's like Moses couldn't achieve his purpose until he knew God. And 170 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:11,440 it was because like knowing God gave him the boldness, gave him the power, gave him the 171 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:17,280 strength to become the leader and also to free the people. So like when it comes to 172 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:22,700 purpose, I feel like, um, like makes sense. It is like there's macro and then there's 173 00:16:22,700 --> 00:16:29,080 micro like purpose. So like a person who doesn't know God can do their micro purpose, but a 174 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:37,240 person who knows God can do their macro purpose. Okay. Okay. Sean. Oh, that's good. Then, um, 175 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:43,560 I want to keep going on this, but I want to, you touched on this a little bit already about 176 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:50,320 your struggle with purpose. Um, everybody struggles with that at some point in their 177 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:53,960 lives. Could you dive a little bit deeper in into that as far as you're comfortable? 178 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:58,440 Yeah, absolutely. Um, I am actually going to jump back a little bit further than I was 179 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:03,520 talking about. Um, I, so part of the reason I'm really passionate about the next generation 180 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:10,560 is I, um, was really impacted when I was in high school. Um, I had a lot of questions 181 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:17,240 about purpose, about life. Um, and I felt like there, it was just this season where 182 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,760 everything was coming up all at once. And I had, I was really blessed to have these 183 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:24,880 people around me that had lived some life and could give me some knowledge going into 184 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:33,800 it. And so, um, I remember having, honestly, since I was young, having a sense of purpose, 185 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:40,040 um, and feeling like, honestly, maybe like it was, I had it before other people did. 186 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:44,840 Um, and so I felt like there are times that I was like, Oh my gosh, like this is so serious. 187 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:48,520 Like purpose to everything that we're doing. And everyone else around me was like, let's 188 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:53,200 go play on the playground. And I'm like, I'm like here contemplating life and they're like, 189 00:17:53,200 --> 00:18:00,360 why is she so serious? Um, and so I, uh, think that it is something that I took very like, 190 00:18:00,360 --> 00:18:04,480 I want to look into this and I want to understand how life works. I want to know what my piece 191 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:10,920 fits into all of this. Um, and, but then also being like, okay, I'm in high school. I don't 192 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:15,800 know what I want to do career wise. Cause also a lot of, it is very easy to think that 193 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:20,520 career and college degree and all of that is your purpose. And I think like you're saying 194 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:25,720 like macro micro, like that is a level of purpose. That is a part of purpose. Um, but 195 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:30,920 it's not your whole thing. And so, um, I think that was also confusing for me. And so I was 196 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:34,600 just like trying to figure it out. I didn't know what I wanted to do, um, out of college 197 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:39,240 or like going into college. And, um, but I was like, but I have this passion to like 198 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:46,600 pursue something. Um, and I had a leader, um, she was giving a talk and she said, um, purpose 199 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:52,600 doesn't just happen. Um, and purpose isn't something that comes when you're 20, when 200 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:55,800 you've graduated, when you have the degree, like whatever. She was like, purpose comes 201 00:18:55,800 --> 00:19:01,560 when you look for it. And it was so simple, but so profound. Um, and I remember going 202 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:09,400 like, okay, if that's, I'm going to look for it now. Um, and it made everything so much 203 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:15,320 easier because suddenly there was like, it took the, not the theoretical idea of purpose, 204 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:21,160 but that practical application of purpose right now. And so I was like, okay, this conversation, 205 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:25,080 this has meaning this school assignment that I don't want to do. This has meaning. Like 206 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:29,160 I was able to apply that to all these things. And it was a challenge because I started looking 207 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,680 at everything and going, okay, what is the purpose behind this? What is the why behind 208 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:38,680 it? Um, and that affects a lot. And I think at the same time, um, one of the revelations 209 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:46,760 I was having to was, um, there's okay, there's purpose for all of us, right? But also we 210 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:51,480 are each unique. And so your purpose looks a little bit different than mine, Sean, like 211 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:56,200 we, there may be some letters that may be crossover, but the totality of your purpose 212 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,480 is separate from my purpose because we're two different people. We're going to outwork 213 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,920 it in different ways. Even if like, honestly, we'd say the goal is the same. We're like, 214 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,960 we want people to know Jesus and we want people to be loved and we want to like make a positive 215 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:11,560 impact on the world. Like same, same thing, but different ways of will outwork that. And 216 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:17,880 so I was like, okay, like, what does that mean for how I'm going to outwork that? Um, 217 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:22,200 and so I think even part of that is like looking inward at yourself and being like, okay, what, 218 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:26,120 what makes me unique? What makes me different? So like, what, what is your background growing 219 00:20:26,120 --> 00:20:30,920 up? What is your history? What is your, um, even actually love. Um, I think this is a really 220 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:35,320 practical point, even if you're not a believer, but in the Bible, there's a story of a woman 221 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:40,840 named Hagar and she, um, is at a crossroads in her life and she doesn't know what to do. 222 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:46,440 And the voice of God comes to her and says, where have you come from and where are you going? And 223 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:54,120 I think that's so profound in those two things are linked. And so I, I've come from feeling rejected 224 00:20:54,120 --> 00:20:59,640 in relationships. I have come from a family that had foster brothers. I've come from being the 225 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:03,720 middle kid in a family. I've come from like literally all these tiny little things and it 226 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:08,440 all affects who I am, how I see the world and what I want to bring into the world. And so it's like, 227 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:13,720 I really want to include people. I really want to see systematic change in some things. I really 228 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:19,640 want to make safe homes for people. Like there's a, there's a underlying current to all of those 229 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:27,640 things. And so, um, I kind of will also look at purpose as like, find, um, your pain point 230 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:36,040 or find an area that like you personally attached to, um, and then find where your unique giftings, 231 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:40,920 talents, abilities, or even just the desire for those giftings, talents, abilities. Cause a lot 232 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:47,560 of those things can be cultivated too. Um, where those line up and then kind of put everything you 233 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:55,400 got in that area too. That's so good. No, I got something. Um, I love it. Like when 234 00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:01,800 things that I experienced and learned in my past are connecting with like, with what's happening 235 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:08,520 in the present, because whenever I was, um, really doing a deep dive into like wanting to start my 236 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:13,960 business, it's specifically about like, like having a service, whatever that is, whether it's a coach, 237 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,720 whether, whatever you're doing. One of the things people would say was like, your clients are the 238 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:26,760 people who were you five years ago. Wow. And like, I think that's not just restricted to that section 239 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:32,440 of that, that piece of life. It's like, because I've, I want to be a coach, but that doesn't mean 240 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:38,440 that the meaning, the reason, the person behind me wanting to be a coach can, I think copy and 241 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:44,920 paste it into other areas of my life. Like whenever I'm like, whenever I'm leading production, I say 242 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:49,400 like, I see, like, I can think back to like, whenever I first started, first started production 243 00:22:50,120 --> 00:22:55,960 and like, and be understanding, have a grace for the people that were, are where I was and be 244 00:22:55,960 --> 00:23:00,120 thankful that for some of the people that are further than I was whenever I was their age. 245 00:23:00,120 --> 00:23:07,160 And I was like, I like, if not, Maxwell says again, like this is tangenting a little bit, but like, 246 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:13,240 and the purpose, I'm going to go into leadership for a second. The purpose of a leader isn't to 247 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:18,600 stay at the top of the mountain. It's to, it's to walk down the mountain and then help other 248 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,520 people get back up. You already know the pitfalls, you already know the cliffs, you already know 249 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,960 everything. You walk, you walk back down the mountain, you help other people back up. And, 250 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:32,280 and like, that's like, I don't feel like, I don't feel like that, that's not just something that is 251 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:40,280 for people who are leaders by, by title, but it's for, it's a design that's been created because 252 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:46,040 it's like, everybody is, everybody is a person of influence. Everybody, everybody's a leader. 253 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:51,400 Everybody, everybody's leading or influencing somebody. Like right now we're influencing and 254 00:23:51,400 --> 00:24:00,040 leading each other. And like, it's taking that aspect and like realizing that your purpose works 255 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:04,360 into, works into that. Like you said, where did you come from and where are you going? And we're 256 00:24:04,360 --> 00:24:09,560 like, we'll also look at the people and being like, who, who, who are, who are the people who are 257 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:16,520 where you were and want to be where you are and how can you help them? And like, and that works 258 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:22,040 into, and that works into everybody's purpose, I think. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's so good. I, 259 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:28,680 I was thinking of Fah, when I, when I was thinking about you guys' conversation and I started to 260 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:35,000 think about our first series and then what you said, it was like something that was divine that 261 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:42,440 stuck with me. And like, that would be, your purpose would be like a holy burden on you. It is 262 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:48,600 that thing that in your life that you know that you, you, without helping these other, and it's 263 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:53,720 always to help others. It's going to be like the thing that lays on your heart and you have to 264 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:59,960 figure out, okay, what manner can I help these people? And that's where you find your purpose. 265 00:24:59,960 --> 00:25:06,600 Like, it's like, and it's, I love how you guys said it's definitely uniquely prescribed, right? 266 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:13,800 So it's like, specifically for each person has a different way of doing and serving their purpose 267 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:18,840 out. They might have once the inner link, but it's definitely different because everybody's going to 268 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:23,000 have a different purpose. Say we were all pastors in this room, right? We're all going to reach 269 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:30,120 different people from our past. Yeah. That our place, a part of it, our past experiences. Yeah. 270 00:25:30,120 --> 00:25:37,080 How we grew up, our situations, but also just who we are. Yeah. You know, like some, some will have 271 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:42,360 more joy. Some will be more stirred. Some will be more kind. And it's like all those will be 272 00:25:42,360 --> 00:25:47,080 definitely how they reach different people. Yeah. And they all play into your purpose, but your 273 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:53,480 purpose is always going to be the holy burden that's on your heart. So for me, it was loving 274 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:58,680 people and teaching people to love God, right? So that was my purpose in my entire life. And 275 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:03,240 I knew it from the age of five. It was always like, I want to make sure that I was like, okay, 276 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:08,360 I want to get everybody saved and then die. That was like my whole plan, right? It's like, I want 277 00:26:08,360 --> 00:26:13,480 to go get everybody saved and then go see Jesus. And that was like that from the age of five. And 278 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:18,520 then like, as I grew older, I got to experience more and I got to know more. And then I got to 279 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:25,640 see other people were, were, they were teaching me and counseling me and I was able to expand it. 280 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:30,920 So then it became, okay, love God, love people, teach people to love God. And it started becoming 281 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:36,360 more and more like, okay, this is what you're supposed to do. And that can look different in 282 00:26:36,360 --> 00:26:41,640 many ways. And it like, I love how you said it's, it's not like you just go to college, get your 283 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:46,600 degree and you're like, oh, purpose is done. Like I know it's like, no, like it's going to be the 284 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:52,440 way that you have a holy burden that you're going to serve out the rest of your life and help others 285 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:58,520 get to where you want to be and help them get other people to where they need to be as well. 286 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:03,480 So it's like a forever cycle until you're gone. So, yeah, so good. 287 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:10,760 Yeah. I know we kind of derailed your, but was there any more, anything else you wanted to say 288 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:16,920 on that about going through your, that could potentially help someone else get from where 289 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:21,640 they were, maybe where they are. And I think that's a good point. 290 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:28,120 To where they're hoping to be. Yeah. I will say it's kind of a common 291 00:27:28,120 --> 00:27:33,960 through line from, I can think of high school Meg who needed to hear this and Meg a little over a 292 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:38,680 year ago who needed to hear this. And just the way that that has been reiterated and I've seen it. 293 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:46,920 But I, it's going to sound so motivational and so cheesy, but truly like if I can give one piece of 294 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:53,000 advice, it's like, don't give up. And I've heard it, I don't know who I'm quoting, I'm quoting someone, 295 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,520 but it's like, it's always too soon to give up. So don't give up too soon. 296 00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,200 Yeah. And it's like, if you just kind of use that as a mantra in your life, it's like, okay, like 297 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:06,760 I, it's not an option. Like if you go into, I think Craig Gruchel talks about this of like 298 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:11,880 pre-decide and it's like, if you pre-decide giving up isn't an option. Now like pivoting 299 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:16,760 can be, so it's like, you may have thought, oh, I'm going to be a podcaster. And then it turns into 300 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,040 actually, I'm going to be a public speaker. Actually, I'm going to go and help in social 301 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:26,200 services. Like you can use your specific giftings in different ways. But I'm more so talking about 302 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:33,240 your life and your purpose. Like you're as a, as a full, complete human, don't give up on yourself. 303 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:38,520 And you can do that in multiple ways. Like I in high school struggled a lot with social anxiety 304 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:44,920 and I was giving up on purpose because I was limiting my options, what I was doing. Like I, 305 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,520 if I was in a conversation, I was trying to get out of that conversation as quickly as possible 306 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:55,000 because what are they thinking about me? Instead of thinking like, what can I maximize in this 307 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:59,720 opportunity? How could I use this? How can I learn from that person? How could I put some joy into 308 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:06,120 their life? How could they do the same to me? Like, so I would just say, don't give up. Don't 309 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:12,920 limit yourself because purpose is found in every day things. It's found in the ordinary mundane 310 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:21,800 things too. So good. Yeah. Do you have anything going on to add to that Sean? Oh man, it was, 311 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:28,200 it was really good. Um, I love how you said don't give up. And I feel like that is going to be the 312 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:33,880 motivation that the generation needs, right? They need to realize that like, okay, if you fell, 313 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:38,280 you make a mistake, you're not strong enough, you're not where you want to be. Don't give up. 314 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:45,560 If you have that attitude in life, you will always thrive. So I love that honestly, 315 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:54,520 anything you want to touch on. So when it comes to like, 316 00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,440 try to, I want to ask a question, but I also want to try and make sure that it's like, 317 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,080 want to work it into what we're already talking about. But uh, 318 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:10,760 so do you think if it, as you were talking, if you could summarize that into like the greatest 319 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:17,960 lesson that you've learned, what, what would you say that that greatest lesson would be when it 320 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:29,560 comes to having, having or finding your purpose? Wow. Um, I would say, and I don't know if they 321 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:34,360 I feel like it was a unspoken part of what I've already said. Yeah. Um, but I would say, 322 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:43,000 don't focus on the purpose of the person beside you. Um, because I think that's often where we 323 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:47,080 get tripped up is, well, my purpose doesn't look like theirs. My purpose doesn't look like how 324 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:54,520 theirs is out working. Like, and instead focusing on, I have a unique purpose. It is unique to me. 325 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,800 It is unique to how I've been designed. It is unique to how I've been wired. It's unique to my 326 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:03,880 experiences and it's unique to the people and situations that I will impact. Um, and so instead 327 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:09,960 of worrying about, Oh, it doesn't look like other people's honing in on what does my purpose in 328 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,880 particular look like and how does that affect my workplace? How does that affect my schooling? How 329 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,320 does that affect my conversations and my relationships? How does that affect my drive 330 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:23,080 to work? Like literally all of the details. Um, and like, I think that's the biggest thing. 331 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:27,400 Um, and let that be the thing that kind of soaks into all of the areas of life. 332 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,160 That's good. Hope you guys were like, Sean said, I hope you're taking some notes. 333 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:39,480 I have to relist and go back the last 10 seconds, but, um, but, um, 334 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:48,280 so like we've talked a lot about, like, and you've said a lot about like how you struggle with 335 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:55,480 purpose where you, um, and how you were so like, like that you were like so like in tune that there 336 00:31:55,480 --> 00:32:01,480 was purpose in your life from a young age. So, and from then to now, what have you discovered about 337 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:13,400 yourself? I, wow. Um, I have discovered, um, and it's interesting, and I think honestly, it speaks 338 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:19,960 to the audience that you're talking to is passionate people. Um, and that's like how I 339 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:25,960 would describe myself too. Um, but I think that one of the things that I've learned since then 340 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:31,720 is that it actually doesn't all fall on me. And that's really hard sometimes because I think 341 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:37,160 passionate people are also highly responsible people. And so, which is an amazing quality. 342 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,840 You want to take care of things. You want to take care of things. Well, you want to make an impact 343 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:46,360 on this world. And like, I tend to fall into the thinking of everyone thinks that way and not 344 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,440 everyone actually thinks that way. Like, so the fact that you have the self-awareness to say, 345 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:55,480 no, I want to leave a mark. I want to do something with my life that is a bigger, broader purpose. 346 00:32:55,480 --> 00:33:02,680 I want to contribute. Like that speaks to your personality and your character. Um, and I just 347 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:08,600 think that, um, the thing that I needed to know is that I can take the pressure off of myself, 348 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:13,720 that it doesn't all land on me. That it's like, I have a part to play. Um, but I am not the whole 349 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:19,000 picture. And so, which is even like the fact that we all have unique individual purposes is because 350 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:23,960 I am not going to, I'm not going to be the person that finds a cure for cancer and preaches to 351 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:29,240 nations and raises children. And it does like, I, you know what, I may even do two or three things 352 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:33,640 at a time. I may do five things at a time throughout the span of my life. I make it to do a dozen things. 353 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:39,080 Um, but I'm not going to run the entire world. So like, that's just not how it works. And I 354 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:43,800 wouldn't want it to be that way either. Like I would not be, if I was put in charge of anything 355 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:48,840 mathematical, oh my goodness, the world is going down. And so it's like, we have different gifts. 356 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:54,440 We have different purposes on purpose. And so, um, I, I think that I have learned that it's, 357 00:33:54,440 --> 00:34:00,840 it's a collaboration and that there is grace, that it's not a, you have failed or you have 358 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:07,960 succeeded at purpose. It is everything in life is purposeful. I have purpose and even the failures 359 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:13,720 have a purpose because even the failures I can read. I don't want to say I can rework 360 00:34:13,720 --> 00:34:20,520 even the failures I believe are a part of the purpose. And like, I remember there was a time, 361 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:24,600 one of the first times I was speaking, um, publicly and it wasn't even like I was giving 362 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:30,840 a message or talking, it was literally giving announcements and I was terrified and my voice was 363 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:35,560 a little shaky and I was like, and I went off afterwards and I was like, I believe that. Why, 364 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:41,080 what was the purpose behind me doing that? Like why? Um, and I felt like I had this like 365 00:34:41,720 --> 00:34:46,600 Holy Spirit niger, um, you know, for other people, whether you're a faith or not, like it might be 366 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:51,480 like, um, just the thought that you have after the thing. Um, but for me, I felt like it was 367 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:56,200 this conviction that was like, what if you went up there because people needed to see that you can 368 00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:03,240 do things scared. And I think that kind of switched my perspective on, okay, like even the failure has 369 00:35:03,240 --> 00:35:08,760 purpose. And there are times that people I, that inspire me, that I aspire to be like, 370 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:14,360 their mistakes have encouraged me as much as their success is. Um, because it means that we don't 371 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:19,320 have to be perfect. It means that there is grace. It means that we can fail one day and get back up 372 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:25,320 and keep going the next day. Um, and so I hope honestly in my life, as much as I want to be 373 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:31,320 purposeful and I want to leave an impact, um, part of that purpose is I want to leave behind a, a 374 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:38,520 grace, um, and a freedom to just not put the pressure on yourself on your purpose, um, and 375 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:48,520 just let your purpose happen as you live. Now that's again, really good. Um, China, you got 376 00:35:48,520 --> 00:36:02,440 some more questions there. Um, unless you want to take one of these. All right. What is, uh, 377 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:14,200 God's purpose in your life? Okay. Heavy hitter. Um, yeah, I, I have tried to put it into words 378 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:19,960 multiple times and I feel like there is different, it's different ways of saying the same thing. Um, 379 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:28,840 but I, when I, when I think about it, I part of even why I feel like I have had purpose and like 380 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:36,200 had that passion since such a young age, um, is I have been extremely blessed to have a relationship 381 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:41,480 with God from a young age. Um, and I, I don't want to alienate anyone. That's not a believer that's 382 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:46,200 listening. Um, but just, I love honestly hearing other people's perspectives. And so I hope that, 383 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:53,080 um, it's cool to hear another perspective, even if it's not your own. Um, but I, it's, this question 384 00:36:53,080 --> 00:37:00,680 is like specifically pertaining to God. And I love that you asked that. Um, I have always had this, 385 00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:06,840 not even like, like, yes, head knowledge, but also I feel like relational knowledge. And I feel like 386 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:13,000 part of that is also how God's wired me. Like I see the whole world through relationships. Um, 387 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:18,920 I was talking to our friend Luke about this. My, the first filter I see the world through is through 388 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:23,560 people. And so we were talking about like, he has to see things through like right and wrong. And 389 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:27,960 I was like, my definition of right and wrong is basically based off of, does it positively or 390 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:34,120 negatively affect people? Like I can't separate my world from, like that's just how it's wired. Um, 391 00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:42,040 and so I think that I, that started with, I also see my relationship with God that way. Um, and so 392 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:48,520 I feel like as long as I've had consciousness, basically, I've been aware that God is real and 393 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:53,400 that he talks to me, he loves me, and that we have this reciprocal relationship. I can talk to him, 394 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:59,000 he can talk to me. Um, and I feel like I see everywhere when people don't have that or when 395 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:04,200 they don't recognize that. And I'm like, I just want people to know, like, no, he cares about you. 396 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:08,440 And you can, I, one of my favorite things to tell people is like, you can ask God questions 397 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:13,080 because I feel like so often faith becomes like, well, if you have questions, you have doubts. 398 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:18,200 And that means you're not really a good creature or a good lever. And I absolutely hate that 399 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:23,400 because how do you build relationship? You ask questions. How are we having this fantastic 400 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:27,800 conversation? You're asking great questions. That's how we're, we're having a conversation. 401 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,320 That's how we're getting to know parts of each other better. And yet when it comes to God, 402 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,920 we're like, no, I can't ask questions because I'm doubting it. It's like, then how are you ever 403 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:40,120 going to get to know him any better? And so I, my prayer, especially lately has been just like, God, 404 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:46,760 like help me to reflect that relationship to other people and help me to just be a bridge that helps 405 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:52,440 them have a relationship with him, um, in a more personal way. And you know, head knowledge is 406 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:57,720 fantastic too. I love knowing and learning, like even what we're talking about, like I love merging 407 00:38:57,720 --> 00:39:03,720 the practicals and, um, the knowledge with the emotions and the feeling and the spiritual, like 408 00:39:03,720 --> 00:39:10,200 we are whole integrated beings. We are not just mind, body or soul. And so I love, um, combining 409 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:15,160 all of those things together and being like, no, with all of those things, um, we are purposeful 410 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:20,280 people with all of those things. I believe that God has given each of us purpose. Um, yeah. Did 411 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:24,520 that answer the question? I definitely think it answered the question. And I love that you said 412 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:31,880 that you can question God. I mean, I think if you can't question God, like you would, you would go 413 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:38,200 in life not knowing the answers and wish you would have. I mean, there's plenty of people in the 414 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:44,520 Bible who've questioned God and God was okay with that. Like Abraham, Abraham was one. He was like, 415 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:49,800 Hey, before Sodom and Gomorrah gets destroyed, uh, what if there's 50 good people? And God's like, 416 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:54,920 if there's 50, it's like, okay, he asked another question. What if there's 40 good people? You 417 00:39:54,920 --> 00:40:00,280 know, and then he just get worked down the numbers and like God answered them every time. And then 418 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:06,840 he realized like, okay, God is not just good, but he's just, and he got the logic of that. And he 419 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:13,320 only got that by asking questions. And like, I mean, even the disciples asking Jesus questions, 420 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:19,240 like it wasn't like Jesus like, Hey, uh, how do we pray? Learn it yourself. Like, no, like God's not 421 00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:23,160 like that. God's going to be like, okay, you need a question. You need, I'm going to meet, I'm here 422 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:28,520 for the answer. And some of the answers is yes. Sometimes it's no, sometimes it's wait. There's 423 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:33,480 different answers God gives us, but at the end of the day, God's going to answer us. Yeah. 424 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:42,920 That's good. I think there's, um, I think there's a lot of value in knowing, like, cause I couldn't 425 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:46,440 tell you how I go to a room. I haven't never thought about it. What do I think is the first 426 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:53,800 thing I walk in a room? What's my filter? Like, I don't know. But like, it's awesome that you know 427 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:59,320 that. And like, cause that, that like, knowing that like it allows you to walk into the room and 428 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:03,320 like, okay, I'm like, you're a self aware. It's like self aware. Like, like, okay, I know what I'm, 429 00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:10,680 I know what I'm, I know what I'm getting into. I know when I'm walking to this room, I know like 430 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,880 where my thoughts are coming from. I know the lens I'm seeing it through. I know that lens I'm 431 00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:19,560 seeing this through. And I only think I wrote down with it, what God's purpose for your life. I just 432 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:29,160 put relationships, um, because no, I, I, I know I just really like, I just really like that's what, 433 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:33,000 that's what you said. I would love to, uh, we're trying to get Luke on, but he's busy, but 434 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,640 no, I know that that's how you guys like end the pot. He's one of the people I was going to 435 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:45,720 recommend. I was like, he's probably too busy for it, but I'd recommend Luke. Um, man. Okay. So 436 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,560 I think we already covered your last question. I think we're ready to cover that one. Um, 437 00:41:52,920 --> 00:42:00,760 so I think that's a good, kind of a good place to wrap it up. So, you know, at the end, we always 438 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:05,880 ask for resources. So like what, for the topic of purpose or the topic of personal growth, 439 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:11,320 development, um, what would you typically recommend to people? Yeah, I actually think that the, 440 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:19,160 this is like the perfect segue from what we were just talking about. Um, I really love like 441 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:23,160 personality assessments and things like that. And I feel like sometimes it can get a bad rep 442 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:30,040 because it's like, you're putting me into a box. Um, and so my, um, strategy is like, take as many 443 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:35,080 different ones as possible and pay attention to when you agree and when you disagree, because you 444 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:40,360 also know yourself and it's telling you something about what's happening. And so like I've had people 445 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:45,000 with, I love, um, the Enneagram is one, um, there's a free assessment. I think it's your 446 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:50,440 Enneagram coach.com. Um, and that tells you a lot of your motivations. And that's like where I 447 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:54,600 started to realize I was highly relational. It was like, Oh wait, other people don't see the world 448 00:42:54,600 --> 00:43:00,120 that way. I thought everyone saw the world that way. Um, but I've had people who don't like take 449 00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,920 that and they're like, it doesn't work for me because I don't, I don't relate to what they're 450 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:07,960 saying. And I think that knowledge is just as helpful. Like pay attention to the things that 451 00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,720 don't. And be like, okay, that's not hitting. What's a better way of expressing that? What, 452 00:43:11,720 --> 00:43:18,600 what does motivate me? Um, the Myers-Briggs is another one that's 16 personalities is free and 453 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:23,560 you're like able to take, and then, you know, there's also, we get into like paid resources and stuff, 454 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:28,840 but, um, I love the strength finders, the disc profile, like all just different things. But 455 00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:34,040 what I really love is having taken multiple different assessments, putting them all together 456 00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:40,440 and saying, what's the common thread through all of this. So I really recommend that. Um, 457 00:43:41,720 --> 00:43:45,960 I also recommend journaling. Um, I don't know if it works necessarily for everyone. I also 458 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,880 would say journal in a way that works for you. It might be bullet points. It might be long 459 00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:54,920 paragraphs. It might be once a month. It might, might be every day. Um, and I never used to journal 460 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:59,720 because it was so, I felt like it was so constricting. Um, and then when I let it work for me and how my 461 00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:05,880 brain works, um, I have just, I feel like it's a very helpful tool to get what's inside out of you 462 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:10,920 to be able to assess it and then input it back in, in a way that's helpful. Um, but yeah, 463 00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:17,560 no, I like the journal. I used to journal a lot and I did it only, I used to journal a lot, 464 00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:25,560 but it was for a short amount of time. Um, and because then my condition kind of, uh, grew and 465 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:31,800 I was like, I can't write as long, but like the, um, but like I would write what I did. I was like, 466 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,400 I would either do it on my computer or I would do it first. Yeah. I started with my computer. 467 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:39,240 I would call them, I have a folder in my Google docs, so letters to God. I would just write a 468 00:44:39,240 --> 00:44:43,080 letter to God about what I was like stressed about. Or like, I was just like, I want to work 469 00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:47,960 out what's going on, what's going on. And then every night I, for a while I was, I would just 470 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:52,040 write, like, I would start always just saying thank you for all this stuff that happened during 471 00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:57,480 that day. You guys kind of run through my whole day. Um, now it's more than now, like I want to 472 00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:01,960 get back. I lost that habit. I want to get back into it. It's just, I lost it, but I want to get 473 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:06,760 back into it. And like one really great way I've learned from like atomic habits, reading that book 474 00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:11,880 a while ago, um, one great way to start a habit is you don't, you don't go into it just like, 475 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:16,200 okay, I'm going to sit down and write a page every day. Like if you feel like that's too much, 476 00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,120 okay, I'm going to write for two minutes. Yeah. I'm going to write for two minutes, 477 00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:28,200 right before bed every day at the same time. And that allows you to, that allows you to start a 478 00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:34,760 really quick, really helpful habit. That's that maybe one day that as you get used to it, you'll 479 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:38,760 continuously add more time to it. Just how the instinct, just how, oh, actually feel like I want 480 00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:46,040 to write more today. Um, so yeah. Um, also the, and all the assessments, like I've been one of 481 00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:51,000 those people, I'm like, I don't like them, but I feel like we talked about that before. Uh, but I'm 482 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:56,040 like, I never thought about it. I like, I've taken this, my dad had me, had me and my sisters take 483 00:45:56,040 --> 00:46:00,840 disk assessments when we were kids, like we were, we are young and he was, cause like he went to like, 484 00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:09,160 uh, it's a, what is it called? Nice to Columbus. Yeah. It's a, uh, it's a, uh, Roman Catholic 485 00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:14,360 men's association. Okay. And he was like, well, we were at, he was at a conference, came back, 486 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:18,600 went about it. He was like, okay, I want you guys to take this. So he's like, okay, my, my, 487 00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:23,960 okay. You're an, I was like an, uh, an IEC or something like that. And my dad's a high D, 488 00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:28,520 I am like, uh, and so like, I was the only one I ever like, I've read like, so I'm like, okay, 489 00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:32,440 that makes most sense to me. And it's like, there's so many, there's like, there's like, uh, 490 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:37,400 there's only four pieces. Yeah. I think Indian gram was like seven weeks, three, like three years ago. 491 00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:43,000 And then I just don't know what that means anymore. But, uh, but that's a really good take. That's 492 00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:48,760 really good though. Like you take multiple and find that common thread. Yeah. Um, no, I like that a 493 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:53,720 lot. That was really, that's awesome. Thank you for that. Absolutely. Yeah. I love, I love taking, 494 00:46:53,720 --> 00:47:01,960 uh, personality tests personally. And he, I'm like, uh, protagonist. And then sometimes I get seven, 495 00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:07,640 sometimes I get six on the end of the, uh, who would you like to have on the next episode? 496 00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:13,400 Okay. Um, I did mention Luke already. I would love, I, he is, he is busy and I know like, 497 00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:18,760 I want to, I applaud about him is he knows he's very purposeful. Yeah. He knows the things that 498 00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:23,640 he's doing. Um, and so he knows if he can't give it the attention that deserves, he doesn't want 499 00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:27,640 to put his hand towards it. So I think that's really powerful. That's me going on. I think I'm 500 00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:35,640 down with one day. Yeah. Um, yeah. And, and when that, that comes, it's gonna be so great. Um, 501 00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:41,240 I also, has Izzy been on the podcast? She hasn't yet. Okay. Izzy is our dear friend. She's amazing. 502 00:47:41,240 --> 00:47:46,840 She literally designed the logo that's podcast on all the merch. Um, she has a wealth of wisdom. 503 00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:52,120 So, um, I would also submit her, um, and then I don't know if you guys do this. I mean, we're 504 00:47:52,120 --> 00:48:00,040 already like probably over time, but can I add one more thing? Okay. Um, cool. Um, why this is just, 505 00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:05,560 I feel like the listeners are gonna find this really fun. Um, but I was paying attention to your 506 00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:09,640 podcasts, like honestly, within like the last month and I was looking at it and I always thought it 507 00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:13,240 was like really clever because it's technically short. And it's like, I know you do tech stuff 508 00:48:13,240 --> 00:48:17,800 and you're not even sure. It's so cool. But then the first three letters are capitalized. 509 00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:23,960 Is that because that's your Thomas, your initials? Yeah. Yeah. Mind. I think that is so smart. I 510 00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:29,160 told Michaela that our friend and she went, I never knew that. So, um, I'm just, I'm just 511 00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:33,240 letting the audience in on how smart we already thought that the title was smart, but it's even 512 00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:39,800 more layered than we thought. Um, it's like purpose multiple layers. And you kind of keep your episode 513 00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:44,120 length to like half an hour. It's like you break episodes involved. So it's also short. You guys 514 00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:51,320 are geniuses. Um, okay. And then the last thing, um, but I want to give you guys some expectation 515 00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:56,760 because you, um, do this for everyone that comes on. Um, and I just love you guys. So, um, please 516 00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:03,240 don't cut this out. I think it's important. Um, but first off together as a, as a unit, 517 00:49:03,240 --> 00:49:09,080 there are things that I see in both of you. Um, you guys have such pure hearts. Your intentions 518 00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:16,600 are so kind, so beautiful and so not like self-seeking. Um, and you guys are both so 519 00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:21,720 passionate about learning, growing and developing. You are not passive people. You are not stagnant 520 00:49:21,720 --> 00:49:26,360 people. Um, you want to live life to the fullest and experience it to the most. And you want other 521 00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:31,320 people to live it that way too. Um, and that's just everything that you guys do. Um, Thomas, 522 00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:37,160 you are wildly smart, wildly compassionate. And I think sometimes you don't see those two things 523 00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:43,000 in people at the same time. Um, and you hold this beautiful balance of seeing the world, I think in 524 00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:48,760 a different way than a lot of people do. And then also making it accessible for people. Um, you 525 00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:56,520 balance the practical and the emotional and you are brave and vulnerable in like this, just this 526 00:49:56,520 --> 00:50:02,680 powerful way. Um, even at the fact you guys are, I think around like 30 episodes in, um, yeah, 527 00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:07,960 I guess it is one thing to start something. It is another thing to keep going 30 episodes in. Um, 528 00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:12,200 so there's a dedication and a commitment that is just like beautiful to see. I remember you talking 529 00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,800 about your, um, business ventures like three years ago, and you talked about it with the same 530 00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:20,200 passion and the same drive and the same desire for other people to get something out of it. 531 00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:24,200 And now I'm like on your podcast and you're doing that exact thing. And it's like, so cool to see, 532 00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:31,320 um, that dream come to fruition. And Sean, you, you are like the most life-giving person in any 533 00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:38,840 room. Um, the best hugs, the best, like you are immensely kind. You also have such profound wisdom. 534 00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:44,760 Um, and it's cool to see your growth too. And we've been in different small groups, classes, 535 00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:49,880 conversations first, um, together for, yeah, actually it took me a minute to remember that. 536 00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:57,880 Um, in, uh, over the years. And I think that I can see it and I, um, I feel like questions that we 537 00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:04,200 talked about today are principles you brought up that a few years ago, you would have given the 538 00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:10,040 true answer of like, I don't know, like God is good or like a, like a statement that is true, 539 00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:16,120 but you have a new level now of explaining that depth and walking people to that place. That's 540 00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:20,680 really beautiful. And I know like your heart is like future pastor Sean. Um, but the root word for 541 00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:24,280 pastor is shepherd. And it's like to guide people. And I think like, it's really cool to see your 542 00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:32,520 growth in that area. Um, and as well as I, we had a conversation recently that blew my mind. Um, 543 00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:36,680 and I feel like it's beneficial to the audience. So I'm just going to spoiler and then say what 544 00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:44,520 you said. Sorry. Um, but you said, um, you had a conversation with God and it was like the, um, 545 00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:50,280 am I going to hold my calling above the collar? And you're like, okay, I'm, I want to pursue God 546 00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,720 over the things that I want God to do in my life and the things that I believe, even the things I 547 00:51:53,720 --> 00:51:57,800 believe he's told me in my life. Um, and you're like, that's the most important thing. And 548 00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:03,880 whatever his will is, that's what I want to follow. And that is integrity. It is, it is hard to look 549 00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:09,480 at something you're so passionate about and say, I don't have to do that thing because I would rather 550 00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:14,360 pursue what God actually wants for me in my life. Um, and oftentimes I think those things do align. 551 00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:19,400 And so I'm really excited, um, to see you just continue to grow in those things. So I've talked 552 00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,680 for a long time, but I love you guys and thank you for having me on the podcast. 553 00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:28,600 No, we love you, man. That was so beautiful. Like, uh, honestly that, that really was like, 554 00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:35,240 I think God has always given you this annoying thing. They like just to give us like, uh, I 555 00:52:35,240 --> 00:52:40,120 don't even know how to say it, like encouragement. That's the best way I can say it. Cause I don't, 556 00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,520 I don't know another word to describe encouragement. 557 00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:48,840 Yeah, I know what it is like to be on the other side now cause you saw I'm crying. 558 00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:58,440 Um, thank you Meg. Yeah, really appreciate that. Um, but yeah, thank you for being on, um, guys, 559 00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:03,320 thank you for listening to the episode of the podcast. If you haven't already give us a like, 560 00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:09,800 five stars, just reveal. Yeah. And share it out on all your social medias. Um, 561 00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:14,840 to be, we reach more people, we can reach more people and people can, um, more people can hear 562 00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:19,960 the message that we've both bought today. All right, guys, talk to you later. Love you guys.