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All right. Hey guys, how's it going? Welcome to Technically Short. I'm Shawn. I'm Thomas. And this
is... I'm Peter. Yep. I thought we were just going one after the other, but yeah.
What's up, Peter? Our special guest today is Peter, if you haven't guessed it.
Peter Sprecher. Yeah. Yeah, man. I don't know if you guys can tell, and you guys already know that
this is the first time we've ever done a... If we have the video showing, this is the first time we've
ever done a video call with a guest. And Peter helped us set it up and showed us Riverside. It's
always a pretty cool platform. Yeah. This is part three of the Why Are You Here series, a series all
about purpose. So yeah. Last episode was with Shawn and I. Then we had... We had Kenable Ford. If you
haven't listened to those yet, go ahead, pop onto those. If you haven't already, make sure to
make sure to subscribe, give us a five star review. Five stars. And share us out on your socials. All
right. Let's dive in. So Peter, how's it going? It's going really well. Yeah. I'm excited to finally
be on it. I know we've been talking about this for a really long time and it just... It seems like we
kept postponing it, but now it's happening. So it feels really cool to be on it. All right. Well,
before we dive in deep, guys, we always start off with our exaltations. Be sure to look at the
camera. Oh, exaltations. Totally forgot about we have a camera now. So it's unique. Thomas,
you want to start first or you want me to start? I'll go. Just to... For those... If this is your
first time here listening to us, whenever we have a guest, we start with some exaltations, some ways
to lift up our guests, to really show you who we perceive them to be, private conversation, and
perceive them to be. That's what I meant. And yeah. So whatever typically how I do it, Peter,
I don't know if you've listened to the past episodes, but the way we... I always think of...
It's like the first thing that pops in my head whenever I think of that particular person.
Yeah. And it's always a good thing because we want to ask you, we didn't think you had something
like you. Hopefully not. Yeah. Maybe one day we'll have somebody... We'll think about it.
But... Today's episode goes... It's not today. But yeah. So the first thing that popped in my head
was honestly... I actually usually write down bullet points, but this time I wrote down just
a little short sentence and see if we can find it on here. I wrote down an inspirational, wise,
young author who is going to change the world. Whoa. That is powerful. And... Thank you. Yeah.
Because dude, not only like two days ago, we got to hear you preach, right? Yeah, I see.
And that was insane. So good. I'm still waiting for it to come out because a lot of times
when I'm speaking, it's really weird because I don't really remember it very well. Like you get
up there and then it's kind of just... You don't really remember. So I don't really know exactly
what happens. But I'm excited to hear it. So I'm going to break some news to you here on the podcast.
Something messed up with the recordings. Oh, really? Yeah. So yeah. We don't know
whether we did something with production, us as a production team did something or there's something
wrong hardware wise, but yeah, they didn't have the video to post. It's all right. It's all right.
It's okay. It was great. I think the people that were... Who needed to listen to it were there.
Yeah. When stuff like that happens, it was just for the people in the room and the Lord had put
that specifically message for us. Yeah. It seemed like there was a lot of personal stuff afterwards
where people were saying like, that was very specific to what just happened in my life and
I needed an answer to it. It was so good. My exaltation to my young mentee, I would say,
is the legendary Peter. I would describe him as... Whoa, whoa, man. Yeah. Jared's in the Bible, like
young on fire for God and it's going to change the world. I like what Thomas said, definitely
change the world. Young author is going to change the world, but I would say young pastor, young
preacher is going to change the world. So good though. Thank you. I appreciate it. Yeah. Yeah,
man. So now that I mean, before we dive in, we're going to have a conversation on purpose,
but before we do, could you give like a quick, like a few minute overview of who Peter Sprecher is?
Yeah, sure. Yeah, my name is Peter. I'm 19 years old. I'm from a Christian family and we are
missionaries. So we go to Africa, we go to parts of Asia, Central America, going and telling people
about the kingdom of God and training, whether that is with the youth or whether that's with
pastors, training people on how to lead their generation. Because many times what people will
do as missionaries is that they'll come and they like to be in the spotlight and they'll like to be
the special speaker and they'll come and they'll do like these big revival services and crusades.
And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. But what we like to do in our family,
and this is what I really like to do is to make it personal and train the people in the country
how to reach out to their own people. So that when we do these big meetings, when we have these
crusades and stuff, that it's the people of the culture reaching out to the culture. So yeah,
that's really all I like to do. So I really do feel called to be a teacher, to disciple people.
And that's what I've been able to do these past couple of years, especially with the youth,
training youth, how to reach their generation using the tools that we have. But yeah,
I really do love the Bible. I love Jesus. And I love my generation. I love how they learn,
how they struggle with certain things, but how they want to continue to know,
want to continue to grow. So I'm excited for what God's going to do. Yeah.
So this is going to be exciting.
I'm pumped. The things you were talking about makes me want to do a completely separate episode
that is like, I don't know, just like no topic. We just go.
No topic. You see what God does? When a preacher goes up on the stage and they say like,
yeah, I don't know what's going to happen, but we're going to go to the preacher at least,
I always get so excited because it's like, you know it's real.
Yeah. 100%. And God loves to do stuff like that. Spontaneous.
Yes. Yeah.
All right. So let's get into the conversation on purpose. Okay. Yeah.
So Peter, as you see it, as you see purpose, like how do you understand it?
Yeah. The words like purpose, calling, you know, like I like to mush those two together.
That might not be the most like theological thing, but to me, I like to put them together.
So it's like having our call is very important. Having a purpose, our purpose is very important,
but it's not just something that's about you. And I think that was a big thing for me, especially
with the idea of purpose, that it's not about what I'm going to do in the world. It's not about
my purpose. It's about the body of Christ. It's about what the body of Christ's purpose is
right now in our generation, what is our role. So I think with purpose, it's not necessarily
necessarily just the individual thing. It's something that is like collective,
that you learn from each other. Yeah. Like Jesus said that we would be one,
like he and the Father are one, like we would have one purpose, one call.
I think it's important to understand what yours is and what part you have in the grand purpose,
because I think that's where it can become a little bit individual. Like you have the
five-fold ministry, like you have the prophets, evangelists, pastors, teachers, apostles,
figuring out where you fit into that, especially with ministry. I don't think everybody is called
into ministry, but I do believe that everybody does, yeah, as a Christian, fit into the body of
Christ and have some role with spreading the good news. Yeah, it's definitely an important subject.
Wow. I'm not used to having like a podcast type thing. I'm just used to preaching, so I get...
Yeah. No, man. We're excited about this. My question is, so why are you here, Peter,
specifically you, your specific purpose, your specific calling, if you would like?
I really do feel called to teach, be a teacher, especially of the Word of God. And what I really
want to do is, like we talked about earlier, like have authenticity. I think that's something that
my generation really craves and it's not something that they have too much of. And I think if I could
be a teacher and I could, like my passion would be genuine and my knowledge that I am teaching
and the revelations that I'm teaching would be an authentic, like authentically from God,
not from an opinion. I feel like that could really, really add something to the grand scheme of
things. But I really do feel called to teach. And a big part of that is through social media,
because that's a big part of how my generation learns and is influenced. So my goal is not to
become the biggest YouTuber or the biggest TikTok or anything, but to have like scroll and find that
one video where it's just, it's not pushing you to like buy something or follow or edit. Not that any
of those things are bad, but like have real Jesus through social media.
Yeah.
No, that's good, man. It's okay.
I know you guys are, you actually do that as well. So I'm taking notes.
Appreciate it. You go too much.
And like, it's funny that you say that because a lot of the times, like most of the, a lot of,
almost all the conversations we have on this podcast, God's brought up because of who we
bring onto the podcast. Because everybody that we bring on, we've met through church. We've met,
we've, and, but I always like, I always do like, I like to stress, even though it's like the core
of our lives, like this podcast, it's like, we have other people that are younger than us, but our age
range that have a podcast as well. And like each one is different. And this one, like, I like to
think of it as a, I personally, at least like to think of it as like, it's not specifically a
Christian podcast, but we're Christians who have a podcast.
Yeah.
And like, because its purpose isn't to reach Christians. Its purpose, its purpose is to reach
those who don't know what Christianity, not just don't know what Christianity is, but like,
it's to understand that like, like Christians aren't bad people. We're just people.
Yeah. You're like, with all your guests, you're getting the best part of this podcast,
best part of this ministry, you know, and you're able to bring in all of the opinions and all the
different revelations on, and like to one place and you're showing people like, yeah, what
Christianity is really like. It's not just one side of it.
Yeah.
And like, I really like, like what you said about being a teacher, because whenever, whenever I went
my first, freshman year of college, I was a mid-level science education major, and I swapped
out immediately. Like after like a couple, after like a few semesters, after like the first
semester, because they had us do shadowings. And I was like, this isn't for me. Because I, and like,
it wasn't, it wasn't my calling. I was like, I just know that I was like, and now I graduated
computer science, but like, I'm curious, like, because that's not specifically the type of
teacher you're talking about though. You're talking about, or is it?
I love to teach the Bible. And in order to teach the Bible, you kind of have to teach everything.
Okay.
So they actually do actually find myself at times teaching part of the Bible,
and they do actually find myself at times teaching parts of science. Not that I know a lot of
science, but you take like these different like reactions or animals or just like things
throughout biology and you see how it refers to God, because God made that and God's like image
is shown through that. So.
Yeah.
Yeah. It's, you kind of have to go as a spirit leads.
Mm hmm. Yeah.
No, that's really, that's really interesting. That's cool.
Yeah. Teaching the Bible.
I like how you said, that like, for the, for the people listening, that if, even if you don't know
what you can bring to the body of Christ, you have something that you're able to bring. Like,
the fivefold ministry is a great example of God using us to change the earth, you know,
and I think it's really important for us as believers. And if you're not a believer,
you still have purpose and you still have a calling. And I hope you get to find that.
We're here for you as believers and unbelievers, our podcast is to reach everybody and anybody.
Yeah.
Yeah. But yeah, I think it's really important for us as believers to know that you have a purpose.
You, you have a reason why God put you here.
Yeah. Amen.
No, I think we, it's funny, your message the other day inspired the whole conversation on
purpose in a small group and like,
I see it's same Holy Spirit. We have the same Holy Spirit. It's just the message right now.
Exactly. And then like, we like talked like there's guys, there's like guys like me, I just found mine
or another guy, it said like, it was as like you had us, Neil, and he was like, as I was, as I was,
I was there, my eyes were closed. Like, I just saw all these things in my life, just like folding on
top of each other. And he's like, and I feel like I'm starting to get it. And he just, I accepted Christ,
he's like a month ago.
Yeah, we talked after the service.
Yeah. And like, man, it was, it was, it was such a cool conversation. And like, we got, we went into
like, the purpose, like, one of the questions was like, why do people struggle with their purpose?
Why do people struggle to find their purpose?
Yeah.
What's your thought on that?
Um, I think part of it is that we're looking for something individual, and we're trying to become our own
separate thing. There's this one saying I really like, I think it's like, I think it's like, I think
this guy named Mark said it, and he said, it's better to be a small part of a big thing, rather than a big
part of a small thing. And kind of bring your role as that. It's better to be, yeah, again, the small
part in this grand scheme of things. And I think, yeah, how we discover our purpose is by seeking
after the presence of God, not seeking after what has, what does God call me to do? What does God
want me to do right now? Like, or not seeking after the blessings of God, not seeking after
like, the things God does, but actually seeking after God himself.
Yeah.
After seeking out, like, seeking God's presence, seeking His face. It's like, seeking a relationship
with Him. And like, it's so simple. It simplifies everything. Like, it simplifies your call, it
simplifies your purpose, because you're not limiting yourself to one thing, because God is
so creative and God does so many things. But you also have this sense of security.
Yeah.
Because it's easy to, like, put a sense of performance in there, especially with your call.
Because if I want to be a missionary, like, I know I'm not the first missionary.
Yeah.
And it's so easy to compare myself to Paul, the Apostle Paul, or to Smith Wigglesworth,
or to David Livingston, who literally did change the world. And it's easy to have this unhealthy
pressure. But when our mission and our call is after God, like, to seek after His presence,
there's no pressure. It takes away performance and it takes away, yeah, pressure. And all you
want is to know and to make known God. And you actually end up making a far greater impact
through that than you ever could have done if you were just focused on your purpose.
No, that's so good.
That's like, again, that lines up right with the conversation we were having during Small Group.
And to sum it up, like, the way I kind of phrased it, and you've correct me if you think this isn't
the right way to summarize it, but the way I thought about it, and maybe it's more of a blunt
way to say it, if people are struggling so hard and like really stressing out about their purpose,
it's my thought that they're trying too hard.
Yeah.
Yeah, no, you're right. Because people are so passionate. I'm sorry, it's weird because
we're doing it online. But I think it's just cool that people care that much.
Like, people, they know they have a purpose and they want it so bad and they try so hard. So I
don't think it's all just a negative thing because they do have a sense of urgency.
No, that's good. See, that's why I like having these conversations.
The opposite viewpoint.
Well, no, just a different perspective. I wouldn't say it's opposite, it's just an addition.
Like, it's not negative. Like, it's not just a negative thing that people,
at least they know that they have one.
Yeah, they know that they do have one and they're trying to find it.
No, that's good, man. That's good. And like, man, it's just like,
and this is going to be a later question, but like, since we're on this now,
like, what could you, Peter, like talk directly to the listeners for a second? And for the people,
either if they're struggling or that maybe they feel like they've accepted that they don't have
a purpose. What would you say they did then? To the people who think that they don't have a
purpose or to the people that haven't found it yet? Or are we talking about both? Both, yeah.
Okay, so to the people who haven't found it yet, but they know that they have one.
Yeah. I think I brought this up in the message, maybe not, but there's this verse in Proverbs
and it says that the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom and the fear of the Lord
is the beginning of knowledge. And I think that's so true because the Bible says,
but also just that's how I found it in my life. When I'm trying to find my purpose and my calling,
what I naturally do is I just figure out what I'm good at. And I was like, I'm going to look at my
talents and that's obviously going to be what God wants me to do. But if that were so, then I don't
think I would ever be a teacher because I remember like preaching and I just, I preached everything
in five minutes and I just kind of walked off the stage because I didn't know what to do. I just
forgot everything. I said, there's so many times where I was not a good preacher, not a good teacher
and I'm still learning. I'm still making so many mistakes. But if I were looking at what I'm good
at, I would not choose teacher. But how I found that idea is by worshiping God and being in that
place in His presence and prioritizing that. Because in that wonder for God that you find
during worship, you find who you are, you find who God is, you find wisdom, you find all knowledge
and that's genuinely where you find who you are is by God because God created you. It's very simple.
Yeah. Everybody does have a different story. So it's not going to be exactly the same as mine. But
I do know that after like seeking after worship, seeking after God, you're going to find your
purpose and you're calling because that's what God said would happen. To the people who don't
think that they have a purpose, that's just so outside of my spectrum.
Truly, I guess when you first encounter God, that's when your whole perspective shifts.
You go from being part of the world to being a part of the Kingdom of Heaven. And I guess it's
so hard for me to understand how could I not have a purpose because I'm fully committed to God. I'm
committed to His Kingdom. So that idea isn't... I don't get that. Well, let me...
Good though. No, no. I want to touch on this real quick if I can. Because being a Christian
should give you purpose off-ramp. Off-ramp people who don't know Christ, they have a little bit more
leniency of trying to find a purpose. But as a Christian, you already have purpose given to you.
Jesus was clear about this for when He gave the talents, for instance.
Talents is an example of everybody has purpose, right? He gives one guy one talent. So a guy with
one talent believed in himself that he doesn't have purpose. So he's like, I'm not going to lose this.
I'm not going to do anything. I'm just going to hide this and then I'll give it back later.
The guy with two talents knows he has purpose and he's going to use his special gifts and he
doubles it. The guy with four talents, really blessed guy, also knew he had purpose, used all
four and that also doubles. So it's an example of like us in life, we are all given purpose,
but what are we going to do with it? Some people say I don't have a purpose and then they just run
from their purpose. Us, I feel like we as Christians, especially, and if you're listening
and you're not a Christian, you still have a purpose and it's your job to do your purpose in life.
Yeah, right. Amen. Yeah, that's why I like your guys' style because God's going to give you guys
something that He's not going to give me. I get to learn. Yeah, the best part about being a teacher
is you get to learn. So I'm always learning too. That's the only way of growth. All right. Amen.
Yeah. Awesome. I was actually thinking for some reason, you said the parable of the talents,
I thought of the one where he goes out into the marketplace and then he starts calling people.
I don't think that's called the parable of talents. I think I got it mixed up,
but I think that parable also works. Right, because there's people waiting in the marketplace
and they literally did not have a purpose. They're like, nobody's hiring us. Like, nobody's,
yeah, what are we going to do? So he calls some people early in the day, some in the middle of
the day, some late in the day, and he gives them all the same money. And I think in the end,
everybody gets the same prize. And I think that's a great analogy for this question.
Sometimes people find their purpose when they're very young and they continue to work in the field.
And then some people in the middle of their life, some people at the end of their life,
they find their purpose. But we all have the same reward. We all have the same prize. Yeah.
Yeah. So if, yeah, I guess the beginning of our calling and the beginning of us finding
a purpose is when Jesus comes. Yeah, being a Christian.
That's really good. Like, the way I was like, I'm glad you hopped in. I was going to rephrase the
question because it was because people that either they don't believe that they have a purpose,
right? Or they just disregard that altogether. It's not that they don't believe that they don't
have one. They just don't think about it. It's just not something they usually think about.
I don't think it is a common thing to think about in the world.
Why do you think that is? Like, what do you think in our culture is
trying to convince people that they don't have a purpose?
I think it's the general, like, I feel like there's a general rule of thumb in the world of like,
you go to school, go to college, get the job, and you follow. It's like your purpose is to do
what's always been done. That's so good.
And as long as you do those things and you're good, then you're successful.
And it never really, it doesn't leave any room if you follow that path.
Yeah. So it's like trying to break the mold. It encourages you not to
break the mold just to stay with everybody else.
Yep. And it also is easy to go with the grain, go with the flow. I've known so many people that
go, yeah, I just go with the flow, man. I just go wherever the wind blows me. And you heard that
one before? And I'm like, man. But if you think about that, how interesting is that?
That in the Bible, the Holy Spirit is defined as wind most of the time. And people are just
using this phrase, like, go wherever the wind blows. I'm like, yes, exactly. Go where the
wind blows. Go where the Holy Spirit leads you. But it's like, even just in our sayings, it's like,
God is there. Yeah. That's great. I never thought of that.
That's so good. Oh, man. Do you ever know what's going to happen?
Yeah. Oh, man. But no, that's why it's always been done as easy. People don't want to break
the grain because it's hard. And there's suffering. And there's uncertainty. And there's all these
things that make people uncomfortable. And most people don't let themselves be uncomfortable.
Yeah. Therefore, they don't find their purpose.
Another thing that I was thinking with that, just go with the flow. Just go wherever you feel like
going is because if we think about our beginning and what our culture is teaching us with our
beginning, there isn't a lot of intention. It's not intentional. There's not a lot of worth
of where you came from. Whether that's with your family, like you were in accidental pregnancy or
something, or whether that's with how we were taught, like the universe started, like how we're
just a speck of dust or we're just this tiny little part in the grand scheme of things.
We're taught that the way we live our life has a very limited impact. It has a beginning and it
has an end. So what is the point of all of it? I think that mindset can really take away purpose.
That's true. Yeah, man. This conversation is so good.
Do I have anything before I keep going?
Honestly, man, I love what you said. I feel like the world teaches people a limited mindset.
Yeah. Follow what Thomas said. It's be the sheep in a bad way.
Exactly. Because as a Christian, you're also a Christian.
We love sheep, but it's the be the sheep in a bad way, meaning you just follow whatever you're told
and you don't have any individualism. And it's more like just do your life.
You can do whatever you want, long as it follows these rules and long as you stick it to the order
that we give you, because then you have no impact. You just follow what the grain says.
Well, and the grain is lately, it's more of, if I was going to say, I'm about to pass it to you.
Okay. The grain is the individualism is really like you have no purpose. You're just doing,
you just do whatever makes you happy. And that's not anything when you come to purpose.
Purpose isn't about you. If you think purpose is about you, you already missed your purpose.
Well, the purpose has an impact on others.
I have things. Okay. I got a couple of things. So remember that I'm saying, I guess,
I guess, I'm definitely, uh, legi, legi, I didn't say his name. Yeah. Remember that I said his name.
Because I might forget, but, but no, the one thing you said was that you don't, if you don't get into
your purpose of your list, going with the flow, if you're just going with war, then you don't have
an impact. And I disagree. You do have an impact, except it's not the right one. Oh, because everybody,
you're every, every person you ever come in contact with, no matter like whether you like it or not,
you have an impact on that person. And it, if you're living in your purpose, like, do we have this
conversation? Do we have this conversation with Kendall? Or did we have this conversation with
us last episode where we talked about like, your purpose goes with you wherever you go.
I think it was Kendall when we had that conversation. Either way it happened. Yeah.
Uh, and like, if you're living in your purpose, wherever you go, then like,
you're, I think that I honestly just believe you're going to be a, you're like, you're going to be
more of a light in the world because the purpose that you have, the purpose that you have on your
life, especially as we believe as Christians, like, um, like our purpose, like Peter already said,
like it's within the larger grand scheme of the, of the great commission of the great purpose,
great purpose. And it's all about how we individually contribute to the body, to that mission. And like,
if you're, if- Can I share something? Sure, go ahead. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So do you remember when Jesus
was like, uh, he died, he rose again, then he was about to ascend back into heaven? Yeah. Yeah. Um,
there's many versions like throughout the gospels. Um, but one of them, Jesus is saying that he will
not leave us as orphans. Yeah. But he will come to us. And with the Holy Spirit, it's like our
adoption into God's family. And I think that's a really big factor when it comes to your purpose.
Because if you're living like an orphan, if you have the orphan mindset that Jesus is talking
about, you're like, you're trying to make a way for yourself. Yeah. An orphan doesn't have like,
an inheritance. They don't have family traditions. They don't have like, uh,
a small part in the bigger part of your family. Right? Yeah. You don't have a role. You're coming
up with your own role. So when people are thinking like that, like in the world, like you were saying,
like people go where they feel like going. They go where everybody else is because they're, they're
trying to make a way for themselves. So they're, they're looking to others to, to show that. But
when you're, when you have the Holy Spirit, you are a part again of a family, you're adopted. I
think it's a great image to use. Okay. I was, I brought up Jesse, uh, like you before,
Leeji before. Yeah. And I brought something up to him as to like, in the concept context of like,
I, I felt like God was slamming doors in my face. And I kept, I felt like there was like,
and I was like, oh, then that must be, that must be a sign that I'm not going to be able to
be, uh, a sign that I need to stay, like stay where I'm at, or that's like, I, I trying to
pursue certain things and they just kept not working out. And then that kind of led into that
kind of like, I was like, yeah, so I felt like God was kind of slamming these doors in my face
to direct me in one area. And Jesse was like, Thomas, those doors were already closed and you
were banging your head against them. And like, um, so the way my mind works is like, I made that,
I made a connection to like, whenever we're talking about purpose, like,
what are your guys' opinions on? Like do people, do people have, do people have a purpose?
Do people, they do have a purpose, but the way some things were being said may, may, may have
made it be perceived that unless they accept their purpose, then they don't have a purpose.
And that, so, which is not, I don't believe, I personally don't believe that. I just was
curious what you guys think for. That is actually so good Thomas. I love that question. Honestly,
I kind of do believe that. Like, because think about it like this. If, for instance, Saul had a
purpose, right? Yeah. Purpose to be king, purpose to change the Jewish, expand the Jewish culture,
uh, culture, take territory. Um, and he felt, he felt his purpose. How did he fell his purpose? By
disobedience, by not, by not accepting the true trueness of his purpose. And I feel like we,
as people, we can miss our purpose. Like there's people who were supposed to be the best swordsmen
in the world and they get, for some reason, something happens in their life and maybe they're
not. I feel like you can say like, Hey, I don't want to do this. Uh, it's not for me. Um, I'm
hopping out of it. I'm not going to do that. And I think you will live a life of regret and
unfulfillment, but you can live that life. If that makes sense. Right. Yeah, that does make sense
because everybody does have free will. You can't, you can't choose what you want to do, but I think
that is a really great point because if we genuinely are living the way God wants us to live,
there's going to be many moments where we're just uncomfortable. It's uncomfortable because
I'm doing something wrong. No, it's, it's uncomfortable because you're making an impact.
It's uncomfortable because you're actually not compromising. So if we're just, yeah,
if we're basing like our decisions off of what makes us comfortable or not, we're just going
to go from purpose to purpose to purpose. Yeah. Yeah. Great point. That's good.
Do you have anything else? No, I thought that was really good.
Like, yeah, probably ended pretty soon, but there's the way I was in the Titan with like,
Jessica, I realized I thought it was something like, I didn't really explain the connection.
But like, because of my, my perception that the purpose is always like, like he was like,
Jason was like, the door is open. And I would just, I just was choosing not to walk through it.
And like, so like, like what you're saying, like purpose is there, the purpose, the purpose,
like the purpose is there. And like, like you, all you have to do is accept it. I have to do
the way I'm saying, like, all you do is have to do is walk through that door that's already open
to you. Yeah. So like, the way I was saying, like, you like, when you say like, if you're here,
if you're on this earth, you have a purpose, right? It's there for you to accept.
But you have to accept it. Yeah, that makes sense. It's just that, that is true, I think. But
just because a door is open to you, I don't think that qualifies it as the right door.
Okay. Because sometimes, like the enemy is constantly after you. He's trying to do all of
the, anything he can do to confuse you, try to get you to take your eyes off of God.
Yeah. And I think when, when he can, when he realizes that he can't convince you that you are
worthless, and he can't convince you that you don't have a purpose, I think what he'll try to do is
he'll just try to flood your life with opportunity until, until you start doing things that are
good, and then you start doing things because they're good, rather than doing things because
it's what God wants you to do. Because I think we just need to stop, as Christians, just doing
good things. Just because it's good, does not, doesn't mean that's what God wants you to do.
Yeah. There is an intentional door that God will open for you. But I don't know if it's going to
open. Okay. That is so good. Okay. Yeah, we, right. God does, God does intentionally close doors,
though, when it is unhealthy. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's good, man. That's like,
man, like you mentioned before, you're like, how you're like learning from us, and
it goes both ways. Very clearly. Well, yeah, we're a conversation. Holy Spirit.
Yeah, it definitely goes both ways. Like we're learning, like this whole conversation, we've
learned, like, I feel like we have learned a lot from you, and everyone that has listening is
going to be learning a lot from you. And like, people already have learned tons from you. Because
I feel like part of that is because you're like, you already said your purpose is to teach.
Yeah, purpose. Yeah. Right. Purpose to go after God.
Yes. So to wrap it up, some final questions. I forget some of them. But
whenever you're like, if you ever recommend resources, books, like, in the concept of,
whether it's purpose calling, or maybe it's just personal growth development,
what kind of resources do you typically recommend to people?
The Bible is a great book. I mean, I think everybody, you probably know that. But besides
the Bible, that's actually what I'm doing now. I haven't finished many of these. But there's this
book called The Pressure's Off. Okay. That is actually recent. I haven't finished it yet. So
I don't know the end. But again, if there's a book that's not the Bible, there's probably going to
be something in it that's not perfect. But I think this really, really, really, really, really,
probably going to be something in it that's not perfect. But I think this really helps, especially
when you're, you have, like for me, for example, I have Christian parents who are in ministry,
and they are very effective in ministry. And sometimes there can be a lot of pressure
to take it one step further and try to do what they're doing. It can lead to a lot of insecurity
and a lot of performance-based decisions. So this book has been helpful so far. The Pressure's Off
by Larry Crabb. So that one. And then there was one about, it's called Honor's Reward.
I think it's a pretty popular book, but it teaches a lot about how to receive a full reward, not
necessarily heaven versus hell. We're not talking about that. But a reward and the end when Jesus
rewards you for the things that you have done and how to live honorably, whether that's respecting
your fellow ministers or respecting the government or respecting people who you don't like.
That one was very helpful for me. It's not necessarily saying you have to obey everybody,
but it's saying that you never want to get to a point where you are disrespectful. So that one's
very helpful. And then I would recommend buying a book. But I think you can't really buy it right
now unless you meet me. So, well, I'm trying to work on that. But there are a lot of better
books than mine. So I would recommend these two. I have it on my bookshelf. I have your book. For
those who don't know, it's called The Way of the Sun. No, man, it's good reading. I recommended it
to at least one guy on Wednesday. I was about to ask you about it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Guess this
would be the time. So who would you like to be our next guest? Have you had Brandon on that show?
You watched an episode. Oh, yes. I need to watch more. I need to see that.
It's really good. I really like to hear Pastor Brandon. Meg from Amplify.
I think she's a really good speaker. Maybe Luke. That'd be good.
Pastor Brandon's Haudenosaunee. Yeah, the guy who looks like Ryan Trae. That guy.
Awesome. Well, man, thank you for being on. Yeah, thank you for having me.
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