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In part three of Why Are You Here, we had the privilege of engaging with the dynamic

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and influential author, Peter Sprecher. We delve into his journey as a preacher,

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the profound impact he has had on individuals, and our personal reflections on his work.

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We then move into exploring the significance of inter-meritional relationships and discuss

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our mutual spiritual beliefs. All right guys, get ready, take some notes, see you in there.

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All right. Hey guys, how's it going? Welcome to Technically Short. I'm  Shawn. I'm Thomas. And this

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is... I'm Peter. Yep. I thought we were just going one after the other, but yeah.

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What's up, Peter? Our special guest today is Peter, if you haven't guessed it.

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Peter Sprecher. Yeah. Yeah, man. I don't know if you guys can tell, and you guys already know that

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this is the first time we've ever done a... If we have the video showing, this is the first time we've

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ever done a video call with a guest. And Peter helped us set it up and showed us Riverside. It's

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always a pretty cool platform. Yeah. This is part three of the Why Are You Here series, a series all

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about purpose. So yeah. Last episode was with  Shawn and I. Then we had... We had Kenable Ford. If you

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haven't listened to those yet, go ahead, pop onto those. If you haven't already, make sure to

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make sure to subscribe, give us a five star review. Five stars. And share us out on your socials. All

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right. Let's dive in. So Peter, how's it going? It's going really well. Yeah. I'm excited to finally

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be on it. I know we've been talking about this for a really long time and it just... It seems like we

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kept postponing it, but now it's happening. So it feels really cool to be on it. All right. Well,

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before we dive in deep, guys, we always start off with our exaltations. Be sure to look at the

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camera. Oh, exaltations. Totally forgot about we have a camera now. So it's unique. Thomas,

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you want to start first or you want me to start? I'll go. Just to... For those... If this is your

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first time here listening to us, whenever we have a guest, we start with some exaltations, some ways

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to lift up our guests, to really show you who we perceive them to be, private conversation, and

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perceive them to be. That's what I meant. And yeah. So whatever typically how I do it, Peter,

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I don't know if you've listened to the past episodes, but the way we... I always think of...

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It's like the first thing that pops in my head whenever I think of that particular person.

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Yeah. And it's always a good thing because we want to ask you, we didn't think you had something

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like you. Hopefully not. Yeah. Maybe one day we'll have somebody... We'll think about it.

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But... Today's episode goes... It's not today. But yeah. So the first thing that popped in my head

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was honestly... I actually usually write down bullet points, but this time I wrote down just

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a little short sentence and see if we can find it on here. I wrote down an inspirational, wise,

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young author who is going to change the world. Whoa. That is powerful. And... Thank you. Yeah.

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Because dude, not only like two days ago, we got to hear you preach, right? Yeah, I see.

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And that was insane. So good. I'm still waiting for it to come out because a lot of times

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when I'm speaking, it's really weird because I don't really remember it very well. Like you get

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up there and then it's kind of just... You don't really remember. So I don't really know exactly

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what happens. But I'm excited to hear it. So I'm going to break some news to you here on the podcast.

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Something messed up with the recordings. Oh, really? Yeah. So yeah. We don't know

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whether we did something with production, us as a production team did something or there's something

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wrong hardware wise, but yeah, they didn't have the video to post. It's all right. It's all right.

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It's okay. It was great. I think the people that were... Who needed to listen to it were there.

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Yeah. When stuff like that happens, it was just for the people in the room and the Lord had put

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that specifically message for us. Yeah. It seemed like there was a lot of personal stuff afterwards

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where people were saying like, that was very specific to what just happened in my life and

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I needed an answer to it. It was so good. My exaltation to my young mentee, I would say,

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is the legendary Peter. I would describe him as... Whoa, whoa, man. Yeah. Jared's in the Bible, like

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young on fire for God and it's going to change the world. I like what Thomas said, definitely

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change the world. Young author is going to change the world, but I would say young pastor, young

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preacher is going to change the world. So good though. Thank you. I appreciate it. Yeah. Yeah,

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man. So now that I mean, before we dive in, we're going to have a conversation on purpose,

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but before we do, could you give like a quick, like a few minute overview of who Peter Sprecher is?

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Yeah, sure. Yeah, my name is Peter. I'm 19 years old. I'm from a Christian family and we are

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missionaries. So we go to Africa, we go to parts of Asia, Central America, going and telling people

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about the kingdom of God and training, whether that is with the youth or whether that's with

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pastors, training people on how to lead their generation. Because many times what people will

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do as missionaries is that they'll come and they like to be in the spotlight and they'll like to be

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the special speaker and they'll come and they'll do like these big revival services and crusades.

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And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. But what we like to do in our family,

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and this is what I really like to do is to make it personal and train the people in the country

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how to reach out to their own people. So that when we do these big meetings, when we have these

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crusades and stuff, that it's the people of the culture reaching out to the culture. So yeah,

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that's really all I like to do. So I really do feel called to be a teacher, to disciple people.

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And that's what I've been able to do these past couple of years, especially with the youth,

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training youth, how to reach their generation using the tools that we have. But yeah,

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I really do love the Bible. I love Jesus. And I love my generation. I love how they learn,

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how they struggle with certain things, but how they want to continue to know,

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want to continue to grow. So I'm excited for what God's going to do. Yeah.

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So this is going to be exciting.

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I'm pumped. The things you were talking about makes me want to do a completely separate episode

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that is like, I don't know, just like no topic. We just go.

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No topic. You see what God does? When a preacher goes up on the stage and they say like,

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yeah, I don't know what's going to happen, but we're going to go to the preacher at least,

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I always get so excited because it's like, you know it's real.

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All right. So let's get into the conversation on purpose. Okay. Yeah.

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So Peter, as you see it, as you see purpose, like how do you understand it?

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Yeah. The words like purpose, calling, you know, like I like to mush those two together.

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That might not be the most like theological thing, but to me, I like to put them together.

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So it's like having our call is very important. Having a purpose, our purpose is very important,

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but it's not just something that's about you. And I think that was a big thing for me, especially

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with the idea of purpose, that it's not about what I'm going to do in the world. It's not about

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my purpose. It's about the body of Christ. It's about what the body of Christ's purpose is

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right now in our generation, what is our role. So I think with purpose, it's not necessarily

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necessarily just the individual thing. It's something that is like collective,

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that you learn from each other. Yeah. Like Jesus said that we would be one,

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like he and the Father are one, like we would have one purpose, one call.

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I think it's important to understand what yours is and what part you have in the grand purpose,

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because I think that's where it can become a little bit individual. Like you have the

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five-fold ministry, like you have the prophets, evangelists, pastors, teachers, apostles,

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figuring out where you fit into that, especially with ministry. I don't think everybody is called

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into ministry, but I do believe that everybody does, yeah, as a Christian, fit into the body of

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Christ and have some role with spreading the good news. Yeah, it's definitely an important subject.

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Wow. I'm not used to having like a podcast type thing. I'm just used to preaching, so I get...

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Yeah. No, man. We're excited about this. My question is, so why are you here, Peter,

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specifically you, your specific purpose, your specific calling, if you would like?

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I really do feel called to teach, be a teacher, especially of the Word of God. And what I really

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want to do is, like we talked about earlier, like have authenticity. I think that's something that

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my generation really craves and it's not something that they have too much of. And I think if I could

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be a teacher and I could, like my passion would be genuine and my knowledge that I am teaching

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and the revelations that I'm teaching would be an authentic, like authentically from God,

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not from an opinion. I feel like that could really, really add something to the grand scheme of

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things. But I really do feel called to teach. And a big part of that is through social media,

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because that's a big part of how my generation learns and is influenced. So my goal is not to

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become the biggest YouTuber or the biggest TikTok or anything, but to have like scroll and find that

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one video where it's just, it's not pushing you to like buy something or follow or edit. Not that any

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of those things are bad, but like have real Jesus through social media.

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No, that's good, man. It's okay.

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I know you guys are, you actually do that as well. So I'm taking notes.

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Appreciate it. You go too much.

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And like, it's funny that you say that because a lot of the times, like most of the, a lot of,

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almost all the conversations we have on this podcast, God's brought up because of who we

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bring onto the podcast. Because everybody that we bring on, we've met through church. We've met,

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we've, and, but I always like, I always do like, I like to stress, even though it's like the core

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of our lives, like this podcast, it's like, we have other people that are younger than us, but our age

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range that have a podcast as well. And like each one is different. And this one, like, I like to

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think of it as a, I personally, at least like to think of it as like, it's not specifically a

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Christian podcast, but we're Christians who have a podcast.

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Yeah.

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And like, because its purpose isn't to reach Christians. Its purpose, its purpose is to reach

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those who don't know what Christianity, not just don't know what Christianity is, but like,

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it's to understand that like, like Christians aren't bad people. We're just people.

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Yeah. You're like, with all your guests, you're getting the best part of this podcast,

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best part of this ministry, you know, and you're able to bring in all of the opinions and all the

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different revelations on, and like to one place and you're showing people like, yeah, what

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Christianity is really like. It's not just one side of it.

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And like, I really like, like what you said about being a teacher, because whenever, whenever I went

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my first, freshman year of college, I was a mid-level science education major, and I swapped

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out immediately. Like after like a couple, after like a few semesters, after like the first

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semester, because they had us do shadowings. And I was like, this isn't for me. Because I, and like,

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it wasn't, it wasn't my calling. I was like, I just know that I was like, and now I graduated

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computer science, but like, I'm curious, like, because that's not specifically the type of

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teacher you're talking about though. You're talking about, or is it?

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I love to teach the Bible. And in order to teach the Bible, you kind of have to teach everything.

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So they actually do actually find myself at times teaching part of the Bible,

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and they do actually find myself at times teaching parts of science. Not that I know a lot of

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science, but you take like these different like reactions or animals or just like things

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throughout biology and you see how it refers to God, because God made that and God's like image

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is shown through that. So.

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Mm hmm. Yeah.

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No, that's really, that's really interesting. That's cool.

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Yeah. Teaching the Bible.

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I like how you said, that like, for the, for the people listening, that if, even if you don't know

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what you can bring to the body of Christ, you have something that you're able to bring. Like,

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the fivefold ministry is a great example of God using us to change the earth, you know,

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and I think it's really important for us as believers. And if you're not a believer,

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you still have purpose and you still have a calling. And I hope you get to find that.

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We're here for you as believers and unbelievers, our podcast is to reach everybody and anybody.

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Yeah. But yeah, I think it's really important for us as believers to know that you have a purpose.

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You, you have a reason why God put you here.

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Yeah. Amen.

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No, I think we, it's funny, your message the other day inspired the whole conversation on

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purpose in a small group and like,

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I see it's same Holy Spirit. We have the same Holy Spirit. It's just the message right now.

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Exactly. And then like, we like talked like there's guys, there's like guys like me, I just found mine

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or another guy, it said like, it was as like you had us, Neil, and he was like, as I was, as I was,

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I was there, my eyes were closed. Like, I just saw all these things in my life, just like folding on

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top of each other. And he's like, and I feel like I'm starting to get it. And he just, I accepted Christ,

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he's like a month ago.

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Yeah, we talked after the service.

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Yeah. And like, man, it was, it was, it was such a cool conversation. And like, we got, we went into

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like, the purpose, like, one of the questions was like, why do people struggle with their purpose?

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Why do people struggle to find their purpose?

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What's your thought on that?

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Um, I think part of it is that we're looking for something individual, and we're trying to become our own

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separate thing. There's this one saying I really like, I think it's like, I think it's like, I think

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this guy named Mark said it, and he said, it's better to be a small part of a big thing, rather than a big

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part of a small thing. And kind of bring your role as that. It's better to be, yeah, again, the small

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part in this grand scheme of things. And I think, yeah, how we discover our purpose is by seeking

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after the presence of God, not seeking after what has, what does God call me to do? What does God

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want me to do right now? Like, or not seeking after the blessings of God, not seeking after

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like, the things God does, but actually seeking after God himself.

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After seeking out, like, seeking God's presence, seeking His face. It's like, seeking a relationship

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with Him. And like, it's so simple. It simplifies everything. Like, it simplifies your call, it

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simplifies your purpose, because you're not limiting yourself to one thing, because God is

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so creative and God does so many things. But you also have this sense of security.

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Because it's easy to, like, put a sense of performance in there, especially with your call.

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Because if I want to be a missionary, like, I know I'm not the first missionary.

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And it's so easy to compare myself to Paul, the Apostle Paul, or to Smith Wigglesworth,

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or to David Livingston, who literally did change the world. And it's easy to have this unhealthy

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pressure. But when our mission and our call is after God, like, to seek after His presence,

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there's no pressure. It takes away performance and it takes away, yeah, pressure. And all you

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want is to know and to make known God. And you actually end up making a far greater impact

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through that than you ever could have done if you were just focused on your purpose.

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No, that's so good.

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That's like, again, that lines up right with the conversation we were having during Small Group.

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And to sum it up, like, the way I kind of phrased it, and you've correct me if you think this isn't

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the right way to summarize it, but the way I thought about it, and maybe it's more of a blunt

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way to say it, if people are struggling so hard and like really stressing out about their purpose,

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it's my thought that they're trying too hard.

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Yeah, no, you're right. Because people are so passionate. I'm sorry, it's weird because

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we're doing it online. But I think it's just cool that people care that much.

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Like, people, they know they have a purpose and they want it so bad and they try so hard. So I

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don't think it's all just a negative thing because they do have a sense of urgency.

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No, that's good. See, that's why I like having these conversations.

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The opposite viewpoint.

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Well, no, just a different perspective. I wouldn't say it's opposite, it's just an addition.

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Like, it's not negative. Like, it's not just a negative thing that people,

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at least they know that they have one.

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Yeah, they know that they do have one and they're trying to find it.

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No, that's good, man. That's good. And like, man, it's just like,

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and this is going to be a later question, but like, since we're on this now,

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like, what could you, Peter, like talk directly to the listeners for a second? And for the people,

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either if they're struggling or that maybe they feel like they've accepted that they don't have

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a purpose. What would you say they did then? To the people who think that they don't have a

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purpose or to the people that haven't found it yet? Or are we talking about both? Both, yeah.

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Okay, so to the people who haven't found it yet, but they know that they have one.

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Yeah. I think I brought this up in the message, maybe not, but there's this verse in Proverbs

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and it says that the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom and the fear of the Lord

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is the beginning of knowledge. And I think that's so true because the Bible says,

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but also just that's how I found it in my life. When I'm trying to find my purpose and my calling,

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what I naturally do is I just figure out what I'm good at. And I was like, I'm going to look at my

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talents and that's obviously going to be what God wants me to do. But if that were so, then I don't

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think I would ever be a teacher because I remember like preaching and I just, I preached everything

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in five minutes and I just kind of walked off the stage because I didn't know what to do. I just

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forgot everything. I said, there's so many times where I was not a good preacher, not a good teacher

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and I'm still learning. I'm still making so many mistakes. But if I were looking at what I'm good

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at, I would not choose teacher. But how I found that idea is by worshiping God and being in that

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place in His presence and prioritizing that. Because in that wonder for God that you find

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during worship, you find who you are, you find who God is, you find wisdom, you find all knowledge

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and that's genuinely where you find who you are is by God because God created you. It's very simple.

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Yeah. Everybody does have a different story. So it's not going to be exactly the same as mine. But

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I do know that after like seeking after worship, seeking after God, you're going to find your

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purpose and you're calling because that's what God said would happen. To the people who don't

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think that they have a purpose, that's just so outside of my spectrum.

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Truly, I guess when you first encounter God, that's when your whole perspective shifts.

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You go from being part of the world to being a part of the Kingdom of Heaven. And I guess it's

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so hard for me to understand how could I not have a purpose because I'm fully committed to God. I'm

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committed to His Kingdom. So that idea isn't... I don't get that. Well, let me...

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Good though. No, no. I want to touch on this real quick if I can. Because being a Christian

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should give you purpose off-ramp. Off-ramp people who don't know Christ, they have a little bit more

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leniency of trying to find a purpose. But as a Christian, you already have purpose given to you.

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Jesus was clear about this for when He gave the talents, for instance.

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Talents is an example of everybody has purpose, right? He gives one guy one talent. So a guy with

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one talent believed in himself that he doesn't have purpose. So he's like, I'm not going to lose this.

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I'm not going to do anything. I'm just going to hide this and then I'll give it back later.

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The guy with two talents knows he has purpose and he's going to use his special gifts and he

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doubles it. The guy with four talents, really blessed guy, also knew he had purpose, used all

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four and that also doubles. So it's an example of like us in life, we are all given purpose,

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but what are we going to do with it? Some people say I don't have a purpose and then they just run

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from their purpose. Us, I feel like we as Christians, especially, and if you're listening

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and you're not a Christian, you still have a purpose and it's your job to do your purpose in life.

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Yeah, right. Amen. Yeah, that's why I like your guys' style because God's going to give you guys

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something that He's not going to give me. I get to learn. Yeah, the best part about being a teacher

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is you get to learn. So I'm always learning too. That's the only way of growth. All right. Amen.

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Yeah. Awesome. I was actually thinking for some reason, you said the parable of the talents,

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I thought of the one where he goes out into the marketplace and then he starts calling people.

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I don't think that's called the parable of talents. I think I got it mixed up,

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but I think that parable also works. Right, because there's people waiting in the marketplace

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and they literally did not have a purpose. They're like, nobody's hiring us. Like, nobody's,

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yeah, what are we going to do? So he calls some people early in the day, some in the middle of

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the day, some late in the day, and he gives them all the same money. And I think in the end,

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everybody gets the same prize. And I think that's a great analogy for this question.

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Sometimes people find their purpose when they're very young and they continue to work in the field.

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And then some people in the middle of their life, some people at the end of their life,

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they find their purpose. But we all have the same reward. We all have the same prize. Yeah.

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Yeah. So if, yeah, I guess the beginning of our calling and the beginning of us finding

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a purpose is when Jesus comes. Yeah, being a Christian.

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That's really good. Like, the way I was like, I'm glad you hopped in. I was going to rephrase the

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question because it was because people that either they don't believe that they have a purpose,

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right? Or they just disregard that altogether. It's not that they don't believe that they don't

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have one. They just don't think about it. It's just not something they usually think about.

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I don't think it is a common thing to think about in the world.

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Why do you think that is? Like, what do you think in our culture is

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trying to convince people that they don't have a purpose?

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I think it's the general, like, I feel like there's a general rule of thumb in the world of like,

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you go to school, go to college, get the job, and you follow. It's like your purpose is to do

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what's always been done. That's so good.

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And as long as you do those things and you're good, then you're successful.

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And it never really, it doesn't leave any room if you follow that path.

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Yeah. So it's like trying to break the mold. It encourages you not to

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break the mold just to stay with everybody else.

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Yep. And it also is easy to go with the grain, go with the flow. I've known so many people that

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go, yeah, I just go with the flow, man. I just go wherever the wind blows me. And you heard that

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one before? And I'm like, man. But if you think about that, how interesting is that?

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That in the Bible, the Holy Spirit is defined as wind most of the time. And people are just

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using this phrase, like, go wherever the wind blows. I'm like, yes, exactly. Go where the

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wind blows. Go where the Holy Spirit leads you. But it's like, even just in our sayings, it's like,

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God is there. Yeah. That's great. I never thought of that.

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That's so good. Oh, man. Do you ever know what's going to happen?

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Yeah. Oh, man. But no, that's why it's always been done as easy. People don't want to break

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the grain because it's hard. And there's suffering. And there's uncertainty. And there's all these

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things that make people uncomfortable. And most people don't let themselves be uncomfortable.

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Yeah. Therefore, they don't find their purpose.

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Another thing that I was thinking with that, just go with the flow. Just go wherever you feel like

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going is because if we think about our beginning and what our culture is teaching us with our

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beginning, there isn't a lot of intention. It's not intentional. There's not a lot of worth

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of where you came from. Whether that's with your family, like you were in accidental pregnancy or

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something, or whether that's with how we were taught, like the universe started, like how we're

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just a speck of dust or we're just this tiny little part in the grand scheme of things.

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We're taught that the way we live our life has a very limited impact. It has a beginning and it

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has an end. So what is the point of all of it? I think that mindset can really take away purpose.

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That's true. Yeah, man. This conversation is so good.

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Do I have anything before I keep going?

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Honestly, man, I love what you said. I feel like the world teaches people a limited mindset.

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Yeah. Follow what Thomas said. It's be the sheep in a bad way.

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Exactly. Because as a Christian, you're also a Christian.

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We love sheep, but it's the be the sheep in a bad way, meaning you just follow whatever you're told

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and you don't have any individualism. And it's more like just do your life.

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You can do whatever you want, long as it follows these rules and long as you stick it to the order

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that we give you, because then you have no impact. You just follow what the grain says.

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Well, and the grain is lately, it's more of, if I was going to say, I'm about to pass it to you.

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Okay. The grain is the individualism is really like you have no purpose. You're just doing,

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you just do whatever makes you happy. And that's not anything when you come to purpose.

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Purpose isn't about you. If you think purpose is about you, you already missed your purpose.

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Well, the purpose has an impact on others.

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I have things. Okay. I got a couple of things. So remember that I'm saying, I guess,

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I guess, I'm definitely, uh, legi, legi, I didn't say his name. Yeah. Remember that I said his name.

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Because I might forget, but, but no, the one thing you said was that you don't, if you don't get into

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your purpose of your list, going with the flow, if you're just going with war, then you don't have

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an impact. And I disagree. You do have an impact, except it's not the right one. Oh, because everybody,

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you're every, every person you ever come in contact with, no matter like whether you like it or not,

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you have an impact on that person. And it, if you're living in your purpose, like, do we have this

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conversation? Do we have this conversation with Kendall? Or did we have this conversation with

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us last episode where we talked about like, your purpose goes with you wherever you go.

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I think it was Kendall when we had that conversation. Either way it happened. Yeah.

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Uh, and like, if you're living in your purpose, wherever you go, then like,

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you're, I think that I honestly just believe you're going to be a, you're like, you're going to be

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more of a light in the world because the purpose that you have, the purpose that you have on your

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life, especially as we believe as Christians, like, um, like our purpose, like Peter already said,

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like it's within the larger grand scheme of the, of the great commission of the great purpose,

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great purpose. And it's all about how we individually contribute to the body, to that mission. And like,

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if you're, if- Can I share something? Sure, go ahead. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So do you remember when Jesus

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was like, uh, he died, he rose again, then he was about to ascend back into heaven? Yeah. Yeah. Um,

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there's many versions like throughout the gospels. Um, but one of them, Jesus is saying that he will

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not leave us as orphans. Yeah. But he will come to us. And with the Holy Spirit, it's like our

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adoption into God's family. And I think that's a really big factor when it comes to your purpose.

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Because if you're living like an orphan, if you have the orphan mindset that Jesus is talking

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about, you're like, you're trying to make a way for yourself. Yeah. An orphan doesn't have like,

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an inheritance. They don't have family traditions. They don't have like, uh,

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a small part in the bigger part of your family. Right? Yeah. You don't have a role. You're coming

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up with your own role. So when people are thinking like that, like in the world, like you were saying,

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like people go where they feel like going. They go where everybody else is because they're, they're

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trying to make a way for themselves. So they're, they're looking to others to, to show that. But

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when you're, when you have the Holy Spirit, you are a part again of a family, you're adopted. I

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think it's a great image to use. Okay. I was, I brought up Jesse, uh, like you before,

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Leeji before. Yeah. And I brought something up to him as to like, in the concept context of like,

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I, I felt like God was slamming doors in my face. And I kept, I felt like there was like,

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and I was like, oh, then that must be, that must be a sign that I'm not going to be able to

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be, uh, a sign that I need to stay, like stay where I'm at, or that's like, I, I trying to

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pursue certain things and they just kept not working out. And then that kind of led into that

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kind of like, I was like, yeah, so I felt like God was kind of slamming these doors in my face

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to direct me in one area. And Jesse was like, Thomas, those doors were already closed and you

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were banging your head against them. And like, um, so the way my mind works is like, I made that,

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I made a connection to like, whenever we're talking about purpose, like,

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what are your guys' opinions on? Like do people, do people have, do people have a purpose?

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Do people, they do have a purpose, but the way some things were being said may, may, may have

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made it be perceived that unless they accept their purpose, then they don't have a purpose.

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And that, so, which is not, I don't believe, I personally don't believe that. I just was

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curious what you guys think for. That is actually so good Thomas. I love that question. Honestly,

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I kind of do believe that. Like, because think about it like this. If, for instance, Saul had a

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purpose, right? Yeah. Purpose to be king, purpose to change the Jewish, expand the Jewish culture,

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uh, culture, take territory. Um, and he felt, he felt his purpose. How did he fell his purpose? By

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disobedience, by not, by not accepting the true trueness of his purpose. And I feel like we,

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as people, we can miss our purpose. Like there's people who were supposed to be the best swordsmen

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in the world and they get, for some reason, something happens in their life and maybe they're

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not. I feel like you can say like, Hey, I don't want to do this. Uh, it's not for me. Um, I'm

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hopping out of it. I'm not going to do that. And I think you will live a life of regret and

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unfulfillment, but you can live that life. If that makes sense. Right. Yeah, that does make sense

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because everybody does have free will. You can't, you can't choose what you want to do, but I think

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that is a really great point because if we genuinely are living the way God wants us to live,

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there's going to be many moments where we're just uncomfortable. It's uncomfortable because

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I'm doing something wrong. No, it's, it's uncomfortable because you're making an impact.

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It's uncomfortable because you're actually not compromising. So if we're just, yeah,

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if we're basing like our decisions off of what makes us comfortable or not, we're just going

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to go from purpose to purpose to purpose. Yeah. Yeah. Great point. That's good.

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Do you have anything else? No, I thought that was really good.

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Like, yeah, probably ended pretty soon, but there's the way I was in the Titan with like,

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Jessica, I realized I thought it was something like, I didn't really explain the connection.

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But like, because of my, my perception that the purpose is always like, like he was like,

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Jason was like, the door is open. And I would just, I just was choosing not to walk through it.

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And like, so like, like what you're saying, like purpose is there, the purpose, the purpose,

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like the purpose is there. And like, like you, all you have to do is accept it. I have to do

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the way I'm saying, like, all you do is have to do is walk through that door that's already open

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to you. Yeah. So like, the way I was saying, like, you like, when you say like, if you're here,

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if you're on this earth, you have a purpose, right? It's there for you to accept.

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But you have to accept it. Yeah, that makes sense. It's just that, that is true, I think. But

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just because a door is open to you, I don't think that qualifies it as the right door.

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Okay. Because sometimes, like the enemy is constantly after you. He's trying to do all of

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the, anything he can do to confuse you, try to get you to take your eyes off of God.

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Yeah. And I think when, when he can, when he realizes that he can't convince you that you are

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worthless, and he can't convince you that you don't have a purpose, I think what he'll try to do is

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he'll just try to flood your life with opportunity until, until you start doing things that are

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good, and then you start doing things because they're good, rather than doing things because

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it's what God wants you to do. Because I think we just need to stop, as Christians, just doing

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good things. Just because it's good, does not, doesn't mean that's what God wants you to do.

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Yeah. There is an intentional door that God will open for you. But I don't know if it's going to

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open. Okay. That is so good. Okay. Yeah, we, right. God does, God does intentionally close doors,

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though, when it is unhealthy. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's good, man. That's like,

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man, like you mentioned before, you're like, how you're like learning from us, and

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it goes both ways. Very clearly. Well, yeah, we're a conversation. Holy Spirit.

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Yeah, it definitely goes both ways. Like we're learning, like this whole conversation, we've

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learned, like, I feel like we have learned a lot from you, and everyone that has listening is

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going to be learning a lot from you. And like, people already have learned tons from you. Because

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I feel like part of that is because you're like, you already said your purpose is to teach.

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Yeah, purpose. Yeah. Right. Purpose to go after God.

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Yes. So to wrap it up, some final questions. I forget some of them. But

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whenever you're like, if you ever recommend resources, books, like, in the concept of,

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whether it's purpose calling, or maybe it's just personal growth development,

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what kind of resources do you typically recommend to people?

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The Bible is a great book. I mean, I think everybody, you probably know that. But besides

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the Bible, that's actually what I'm doing now. I haven't finished many of these. But there's this

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book called The Pressure's Off. Okay. That is actually recent. I haven't finished it yet. So

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I don't know the end. But again, if there's a book that's not the Bible, there's probably going to

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be something in it that's not perfect. But I think this really, really, really, really, really,

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probably going to be something in it that's not perfect. But I think this really helps, especially

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when you're, you have, like for me, for example, I have Christian parents who are in ministry,

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and they are very effective in ministry. And sometimes there can be a lot of pressure

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to take it one step further and try to do what they're doing. It can lead to a lot of insecurity

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and a lot of performance-based decisions. So this book has been helpful so far. The Pressure's Off

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by Larry Crabb. So that one. And then there was one about, it's called Honor's Reward.

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I think it's a pretty popular book, but it teaches a lot about how to receive a full reward, not

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necessarily heaven versus hell. We're not talking about that. But a reward and the end when Jesus

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rewards you for the things that you have done and how to live honorably, whether that's respecting

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your fellow ministers or respecting the government or respecting people who you don't like.

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That one was very helpful for me. It's not necessarily saying you have to obey everybody,

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but it's saying that you never want to get to a point where you are disrespectful. So that one's

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very helpful. And then I would recommend buying a book. But I think you can't really buy it right

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now unless you meet me. So, well, I'm trying to work on that. But there are a lot of better

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books than mine. So I would recommend these two. I have it on my bookshelf. I have your book. For

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those who don't know, it's called The Way of the Sun. No, man, it's good reading. I recommended it

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to at least one guy on Wednesday. I was about to ask you about it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Guess this

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would be the time. So who would you like to be our next guest? Have you had Brandon on that show?

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You watched an episode. Oh, yes. I need to watch more. I need to see that.

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It's really good. I really like to hear Pastor Brandon. Meg from Amplify.

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I think she's a really good speaker. Maybe Luke. That'd be good.

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Pastor Brandon's Haudenosaunee. Yeah, the guy who looks like Ryan Trae. That guy.

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Awesome. Well, man, thank you for being on. Yeah, thank you for having me.

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Yeah, this was great. It was amazing. Yeah, guys, like you said in the beginning of the episode,

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