Hey guys, welcome to part 3 of Why Are You Here.
In this episode, we explore the intricate world of decision making and its impact on
finding one's purpose.
We delve deep into the 7-step process of making decisions, from identifying the decision to
reviewing the outcomes, and discuss how these choices can guide us towards our true calling.
We also share insights from the book Think and Grow Rich and the wisdom of John Maxwell.
We emphasize the importance of making purposeful decisions that not only lead us to why we
are here, but also guide us in pursuing our calling once we have discovered it.
Alright guys, see you in there and remember, take some notes.
Welcome Technically Short, I'm Shawn.
I'm Thomas.
And today we're talking about decision making in our series of Why Are You Here.
Yeah, so this episode, like Shawn said, it's all about decision making, making decisions.
And we thought about this, we were kind of thinking about like, we weren't able to get
a guess for today.
So we were like, what can we talk about that we haven't already talked about?
So that we don't repeat ourselves.
And like, what's an aspect of purpose that, which is what this series is all about?
Like what's an aspect of purpose that we can like do a little bit of a deep dive on?
And Thomas had a decent wise decision to make.
And honestly, I think it leads right into it.
So I mean, we're going to go deep.
So get your notebooks out and your pens ready because we're about to go deep.
But alright guys, like, so what really brought it to my mind was I'm currently I mentioned
it before you've heard it mentioned on our past episode with Pat Williams, the book Think
and Grow Rich, and there's a whole chat the whole chapter I just finished reading was
called decision making decisions or decision making one of the two.
And like, so that's pretty much where all my notes are from for this episode.
And I watched a little bit of John Maxwell, I just to kind of get us into the mood of
purpose.
One thing that he said that kind of I think what hit a lot of people, he said, he was
talking about calling for calling versus a purpose.
Yeah, he said, he goes, a calling is a purpose was a divine touch.
Oh, I like that.
I definitely like that.
And I agree with that.
And I think like, so whenever we talk, we talked about purpose on past episodes, and
calling we're kind of using them interchangeably.
And I think that's still okay.
Yeah, I just really like John Maxwell's rendition of like, a calling to calling is a purpose
a calling is a purpose.
But there's that, like you said, there's that divine touch to it that gives it a little
bit more direction.
Oh, yeah.
And I think he hits it home.
Like, I feel like, can you really have a purpose without a calling?
And I guess, to a certain degree, you could, but it wouldn't be when being where you wouldn't
have that divine touch.
Exactly.
Yeah.
So Shawn, why don't you kick us off?
You had a couple things there.
Yeah.
So, I'm going to lead you guys off by talking about the seven steps to decision making,
right?
So step one, step one is identifying the decision.
That's the most important step.
Step two will be gathering the information.
Step three will be prospect of alternative, which means basically, you're going to see
the decision you want to make, how it's going to lead you to your purpose, and look for
another way, another decision that's backwards for it or opposite or another.
You're looking for different routes that you could possibly achieve what you're trying
to achieve.
Exactly.
And then step four would be weigh the evidence on both your alternative route or your main
decision.
And then I would say five would be choose the alternative that has no cost, right?
So the one that has no cost, right?
Yeah.
I thought you said cause.
Yeah.
The one has no cost.
The one where it's going to be the most beneficial for you.
And then I would say take action and then review it.
So I think those are seven good steps to just lead you to making the right decision.
Decision making can be hard, but it's very important that we start off with step one
and that's identifying the decision that you want to make.
Decisions we're talking about today, me and Thomas, are we're talking about decisions
that lead you to your purpose, decisions that lead you to why are you here?
Or even not even necessarily the decisions that come after.
Yeah.
After you realize what your purpose is and the decisions you make, decisions that you'll
need to make in order to achieve the, pursue the calling that's on your life.
There's, that's kind of like, it just kind of hit me.
I like that we kind of stay in this purview because that is the purpose of this podcast.
Yeah.
It is to give people the tools that they can use to pursue the calling that's on their
lives.
Yeah.
So I really like that we're doing this right now.
Yeah, guys.
So like, I want to actually touch on something that Shawn said and like you were saying, like
whenever you're looking for the alternate routes, you're doing that because there's
a potential that the one that you initially chose fails and then you make, and then you
have to make an audible and if you already have those planned out ahead of time, then
if you already have those decisions made planned out ahead of time, it makes it easier and
it allows you to help make more prompt decisions.
That's very wise.
And which kind of leads me into some things I had, some things I kind of had derived from
Thinking We Were Rich.
Since Napoleon Hill, he talks about like the habit of decision making is like, I have here
the habit of reaching decisions promptly and of changing these decisions slowly.
He talks about the importance of not just making decisions, but making decisions quickly
and promptly.
And then, like I already said, reiterating, but making those decisions, like you're changing
them slowly because you're sure of the decision that you made.
And so whenever you made the decision, again, like, okay, you have to, whenever you have
those alternate routes ahead of you, maybe hit the route, hit the point where your initial
route fails.
Yeah.
So you have to admit that it's be humble, admit that it fails and then make the decision
to change your course.
Right.
So that way you still lead to what you're called to do, what your decision is ultimately,
but you still, I love that because it's like if something fails, but you're still, if it
fails forward, it's like back to falling forward.
That's what exactly would that be.
Yeah.
Because like, yeah, you learn from that mistake, the mistakes that you made that caused that
failure to happen.
But we've learned before, like we said in the past, failures are learning opportunities.
You take how you failed, you take how you failed, you learn from that mistake and you
move forward and you make the audible of one of the alternate routes that you already decided
that you were going to take.
Whew!
That's a lot, but it's good stuff.
And the reason it says there that changing these decisions slowly is because if you're
going, like we're going to stick with this, this can be applied into any decision, but
we're going to stick with this one thing that you brought up, Shawn.
Like if you're keep trying, if you're changing that decision slowly, you're making the decision
to make, you're making, now you're making the audible to choose a different route.
So now, but you can't keep switching routes.
Right.
You can't like, you can't keep, you can't keep bouncing from one thing to the next because
you're never, because you're just making lateral moves.
Right.
You're not moving forward.
You wouldn't be if you're always switching routes because you never get anything done.
Right.
You necessarily would just be failing, not falling forward.
You would just be failing in general.
Yeah.
And there's another note I have here that people, I'll read exactly what I have written,
but this can be taken in other aspects of, you can say, of success, of pursuing business,
pursuing a calling that's on your life successfully.
But whatever in here is people who fail to accumulate money without exception, remember
this is from the book Think and Grow Rich, have the habit of reaching decisions if at
all very slowly and changing these decisions quickly and often.
I think that's 100%.
And when it comes down to it, it's like one of the episodes we talked about a while ago,
discipline.
Yeah.
Right.
Because what that sentence clearly says is a person financially, when we're talking about
this specific sentence, a person that doesn't have financially discipline, they're easily
able to be shaken.
In the Bible, it talks about the guy who pulls his house on sink and sand and when the wind
blew, it blew.
When the waters came, it collapsed.
It was because it didn't have any foundation.
And that's what's so important.
So when it comes to decision making and why are we here, it is all about making it known
that whatever calling, whatever purpose I have in sticking to that, you have to be,
what's it, great or I would say solid.
There's so many words where it means that you are just, for me, I guess I would be an
example, I use it in arguments, controversial.
Because in that way of saying that what you believe, you stick into it and you have to
be that way.
And that's why I love that sentence.
People who are disciplined are very, I would say solid, controversial sometimes to others
because it's not going to be able to not be influenced, I would say, by the other things.
One thing that I want to dive into is kind of moving into a little bit of another subject
on this, but it's about the courage in decision making.
So Shawn, why don't you, you have a couple things going on right now.
Yeah.
And you had to make some decisions.
Yeah.
Why don't you talk a little bit about that?
Okay.
All right.
So for the guys and girls who don't know, big life steps happening.
So my purpose God has given me since I was a little kid, it would be to be a pastor,
right?
Now, that being said, decision making, I had to make some big decisions this year to help
lead into that.
I had one option of working a job and trying to build my own discipline.
And then I had another option where the discipline will be provided for me, but so will the finances
and mentality and the strength.
I will gain all these things from the other decision.
So I had to weigh which decision I would take.
Both the outcomes would lead to getting my pastoral degree.
But I had to choose what I believed would be the most beneficial and decision I made
is I would say the one where it would teach me discipline and the one where it would teach
me finances, the one where it would teach me strength.
And I needed that one rather than the decision that would have been easier, but lacking all
that lacking all the things leading to making me a better pastor minister.
So yeah, it's been quite a journey this year.
I think the reason I wanted to talk about that is because one, it was you had the alternate
routes planned out, like you talked about, and also, man, I just thought of something
else.
Shawn, what happens if you have the alternate things planned out, and this isn't necessarily
pertaining to you, it could be anything, but think about it in your own situation.
What if those routes fail?
What do you do?
I have another out.
It's true.
I do have another out.
You personally do.
I actually do.
Yeah, I have another out.
What if that one fails?
This is where it comes down to.
You know that you have a calling, a purpose.
So the decision that we all make, right?
Every route is supposed to lead to that.
So if all those routes fail, I'll find another route because it has to get done.
Because when you have a purpose, you have this ambition, you have this drive, you have
this, I don't know what it's called.
It's like, I don't know.
I could never live a life that I didn't get to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ.
I could never live that life.
And it's just because it's in me.
So if every route failed, I'm sure I'll find another route.
And it's crazy to think that way.
But you have to when you're going to achieve your goal in life.
And I can sit here and ask you, we can talk about, you asked a question, well, how do
you do that?
How do you find it?
Well, we can talk around that all day.
But if we also don't talk about purpose in itself, like what is it in the book I'm reading,
it talks about the definiteness of purpose.
That you can't really teach people that.
You can teach people concepts, which is as much as we can do here and teach people about
our lives.
But I want to teach, like talk about our lives, but like, and that's what we're hoping that
will maybe spark something in you guys to like think about your own definiteness of
purpose.
Because when you have a definiteness of purpose, you will also your decisions become more definite.
Yeah.
The decisions that you make will then change.
Once you will change with where you see you want you're wanting your life to go.
And that's where it comes down to that point you brought up early about like people who
know who they are.
People who know their purpose and calling.
When you go back all your first note about that guy who said, yeah, where he said about
like, if I could paraphrase, it was like, they don't make decisions lightly.
Oh, okay.
They'll have a reaching decision promptly.
Yeah.
And they know like, you know, I mean, so like, they're the decisions that I have these routes
weren't made like, oh, I'm just gonna do whatever you know, they were like, they were made for
a specific purpose.
If they fell, there's other routes I'll take to try to achieve the goal, achieve the calling,
achieve the purpose.
And I feel like that's where it comes like, well, you just don't make it lightly, because
it's about knowing this has to achieve the purpose to achieve the calling.
It's like, I think about those people too, who make decisions promptly and they make
them quickly.
Like, they like, they make those decisions without like, without knowing like, where
like, I just had like, they know, and necessarily where they want to go.
But they don't know where they're going to end up.
Yeah.
And they're making the decisions anyway.
And regardless, it's like, again, this was in one podcast I was listening to was, it
was Ed Mylett and John Maxwell.
They were talking, John starts talking about, he starts talking about making decisions.
And he's like, there's so many people get stuck and afraid of making that taking that
next step, because they can't see the tomorrow.
And he uses the analogy of driving a car, which some of you might have heard before.
Like, whenever you're driving in a car at night, all you can see is what your headlights
allow you to see.
You can only see that what that space right now is so good.
But you can't, but you can't like, but you still see it moving forward.
It's like work.
It's like driving at night without GPS and paying attention to road signs.
Yeah, that'd be crazy.
Yeah.
Sorry, I lost it for a second.
Oh, man.
But yeah, it's like that's literally what going through life really, I believe is meant
to be like.
Yeah.
It's not like I am a person who hates not knowing things.
And that is like why it is a skill, it's a habit.
Like he said, like he's saying, like, this is now referencing on Napoleon Hill.
But it's like what he's saying is that these people that they have formed the habit, they
either like they formed it either after realizing that they didn't have it, or they form or
they inherently got this trait, but through their upbringing or through whoever else.
And now they're able to make these make decisions.
I'm going to work this into my next point.
Make these decisions without knowing what's coming next.
And I like what he says next, he goes, the value of decisions depends on the courage
required to render them.
Oh, I love that.
And a lot of the things people talk about.
The thing that he talks about, he references, I'm not sure if I would have remembered what
year this book was written.
And it's like, oh man, I have to look it up again.
But the he's talking about the Declaration of Independence and the 56 men that made the
decision, not just 56 men, but three men who got those 56 men together.
And then the decisions that these guys had to make put their lives on the line in order
to get the United States like their independence from Great Britain.
And there's like the current the value of that decision that they made, it essentially
should be like, hey, yeah, like I was telling you, like the the British governor of Virginia,
like I pretty much told him, like, you better back off.
He's like, he's like, you're threatening me trying to bribe, they were trying to bribe
them, they're trying to, they're trying to bribe them, talk them down from essentially
getting this new council, this new council setting up the first, what I say, Congress,
almost.
I don't quote me don't I might not might be wrong with that terminology.
But I'm getting together 56 men and like the British heard that this was happening.
And like, they sent him a letter and he said, you better back down.
And he was like, he like, no chance.
The paraphrase very poorly.
He said, he was like, no, he was like, no chance.
Like, I remember one thing he said, you guys do not mess with the feelings of a, what do
you say, do not mess with feelings of the exasperated, like, they wouldn't exaggerate
people were they exasperated?
Yeah, yeah, do not mess with the feelings of exasperated people.
And he's talking about the American people is like, you mess with us too much.
And that we're done.
I think I like, he made the decision to put his life on the line.
If they what they did, if what they did failed, like all 56 of them, men would have been hung.
I know.
But that's what you have to do.
Like the I love what you said, like every decision that leads to purpose requires courage.
You cannot, you cannot like not have courage and try to do these decisions.
Because this is what, while like, I like that last point where he was talking about, like,
why some people just never achieve their dreams or goals or their callings.
Just because they lack the courage to they lack the the fortitude to stand the discipline
to stand on what they believe.
So they never achieve anything.
Because if you don't believe anything, you won't achieve anything.
And that's just how life works.
Yeah, I think where you're going, I think I like that because I think you don't have
to feel if you don't have a like a yeah, I think like if you like when you say you if
you don't believe in something, are you particularly talking about like a greater power?
I am talking about everything.
God, but practical level as well.
I'm talking about like if you don't believe you're going to be the best football player
in the world, you will never train as hard as you can.
Yeah.
You're a boxer, if you don't believe in yourself and in your abilities, and whatever your purpose
or your dream is, it will never come to life.
You killed it.
Dude, that's so good.
Like, again, from thinking you're rich.
He said, I think I might have mentioned this before on here, but I don't care.
Like there, he talks about like, whenever you're writing down your essentially like
your like your plan of how you're going to reach this goal that you set out for yourself.
And when you're writing out this goal, or you're writing out this like this vision for
yourself, he literally says throw reason out the window.
Yeah, he's like, throw reason out.
Do not like do not let reason determine what you're going to write down what you're going
to like what you're going to pursue, because what your people what your people are doing
now is what your people are doing now is way less what you're going to be able to what
you're going to be capable of doing later.
Easily agree.
100%.
So like you were so like what you're able to do.
So like, if you're going to believe that you can get to that point of something you're
not right now couldn't do, then you're going to believe that you can then you're going
to make the decisions to the things that you make to learn the things that they get you
to that point to gain the knowledge and the information.
Yeah, I can't like, move me into another section about like, what as you're pursuing like,
like you say, you're throwing reason out the window and you know, who you are right now.
Yeah, you're not you're not capable.
You don't have resources, you don't have to know how you like you don't have the wisdom
to to reach the goal to pursue the pursue the calling to have the the the the the the
confidence, the vision that has been set out before you.
You have to you can't let other people's opinions sway.
That's so good.
What you're pursuing that a preacher holds.
That's a whole that's a whole sermon right there because you can't I 100% agree with
you Thomas like you cannot let people's opinion of what God is placed in your life.
What God has called you to do to to fruition like if you let people go out there and say
Thomas you know what you can't be a life coach and this is X, Y, Z and this this and this
and this and you just go and believe them then you won't be what God called you to do.
You know what I mean?
What whatever God calls you to do people are not always going to agree.
Why?
Because they don't have the same vision as you did.
They don't they don't have the same purpose as you and even if they have a similar purpose
in your life doesn't mean that their their word is final.
Their word is judgment in your vision your dream and your goals don't happen because
they said so.
Well I also want to say like I didn't write this note down and I because I was like man
you're a little controversial but I say like okay but like he was saying like one of the
things he says is like let me see if you're essentially is like whenever you are pursuing
this calling but you want to gain information with it which is a little bit later down the
road in my notes but you want to gain information like the only people that should really know
exactly what you're pursuing are the people that are in your inner circle what he calls
your mastermind.
Yeah because if Mike you said the people that are trying to pursue the same things yeah
like some people are jealous you know if you're so sure and you're so like you're so like
confident in yourself people envy that absolutely and people envy that and will try to knock
you down and there's um but going back to opinions for a second um that kind of leads
into that but um I'm going to read a couple of my notes here uh about that he goes if
you are influenced by opinions when you reach decisions you will not succeed in any undertaking
okay close friends and relatives who are not meaning to do so often a handicap one through
op through opinions and sometimes through ridicule which is meant to be humorous and
he goes opinions are the cheapest commodity on earth and like um I just thought of a really
funny thing that I don't think I think people are gonna be like oh my gosh Thomas what the
heck am I am I woke no no it's just funny you ever hear like what you ever hear like
what opinions are like yeah what do they like Shawn but like everyone has one and they all
stink that's fair anyway um but no it's like if you let people's
opinion if you're pursuing this calling and like you know that you can't reach it you
know you're not capable but then the people around you the people your family that like
your family that like it's not that they don't like you even say it's not that they don't
believe in you yeah but they're going like sometimes they feel like they're people sometimes
family and friends feel like they're being helpful by giving you by giving you an opinion
by giving you their opinions and really they're not most of the time yeah and it like sometimes
and like most of the time I would say an opinion like you're like hey you can accept it like
hey yeah sure thank you for what you said I appreciate you giving me your input and
then letting it like letting it slide up yeah letting it slide and like um unless it's a
person with that has great wisdom and has great influence in your life um but even some
of them I would say like this is why it's so important to know your purpose because
some of your your best people in your council that sometimes say stuff that wasn't or isn't
what God wants for your life oh my gosh I'm sorry listeners sorry about that yeah so like
you know even some of them like well think about Jesus right Jesus is getting ready to
die on the cross and you know what Peter's response was Lord you don't you don't have
to do that like imagine if Jesus didn't die on the cross like he Peter's response with
that you know what Jesus response was get behind me Satan you know what it wasn't as
an like an insult to say like Peter was possessed or nothing like that no he wasn't but what
he was doing even though he was he's with Jesus he's one of the council with Jesus right
he was speaking out of his own rather than speaking out of knowledge of God and that
and I've even the best of your advisors can still say the wrong thing that's what they
their advisors yeah that's true you know I mean I see the point I see the point that
you're making and I well like it's still like you still use discernment and decision making
to choose not only they choose who's going to be in your inner circle and it was not
going to be in your inner circle but yeah I also use proper discernment on whether to
listen to what they're saying yeah I um and to them not nobody's perfect right right nobody's
perfect and nobody's going to say the same right thing every single time and I think
with with that and with that exact point I'd say whenever you're going to go have a conversation
with maybe on a particular topic you want to ask them a question when it gains some
wisdom yeah from them like I guess it just it's just a practical tip you go with questions
prompt you go with questions you go you go forward with already having questions prepared
and then you take their you take their the because you're going you're going to them
because you're going to them for a for a console you're going to them for a conversation and
sometimes sometimes this will be helpful other times you're just there to be with them be
around them yeah but like you're there to get like uh you chose them because they can
speak wisdom into your life right and the so the goal the goal of choosing people for
your inner circle is that their majority of the time nine times out of ten what they're
going to say is going to be useful yeah yeah I would agree um because if they're if it's
like if it's a 50 50 shot then get them out like if it's a 50 50 shot then they're they're
not worth it it's not worth the time like um the people that you need in your inner
circle other people the people that you need to eat inner circle other people um that will
speak good counsel and that will um that are some people that will speak good counsel maybe
they're lateral to you then the people that are wiser than you and have seen more life
than you and have done more than you um we're kind of off of the weeds a little bit but
uh but yeah that's just like high level of inner circle but yeah we're in the weeds um
do you have anything john before I dive into something else no we can dive into something
else because I mean I I honestly feel like like I said it's important to have wise counsel
but like what like what you said to reiterate is to make sure that you use the sermon on
what decisions to accept from them and what decisions to throw away yeah and that's what
everybody and that will keep you in the best version of yourself like um kind of one of
the last sections move into now it's about self-reliance and communication and this is
within decision making and um another quote from the book um he says you have you have
a brain and a mind of your own use it and reach your own decisions if you need facts
or information from other people to enable you to reach decisions as you probably will
in many instances and this is why I said before acquire these facts or secure the information
you need quietly without disclosing your purpose oh yeah so good and I don't believe he didn't
say this specifically but I don't believe that particularly saying to that about your
inner circle yeah that's saying like um because your inner circle should know what your purpose
is what you're pursuing what you're going for um but to pull us back um but like uh
this is like whenever you're going out to somebody and you're not sure you know you
know you know they have um good wisdom and they're a good knowledge of what you're looking
for in this instance this book was written before the internet and I know you know like
if you just want knowledge you can look it up or read a book yeah um but like if you
want knowledge from a human being you're like hey I'm just curious about this one thing
and I personally like I don't want to dive too deep into that because I don't I feel
like um you can go in a really wrong direction with that no but I think it's so good though
because think about it like this Joseph what did he do why did his brothers hate him Joseph
told his brothers his purpose his dream his vision and when he did so his brothers were
hatred and they were jealous so not everybody needs to know your purpose and your dream
and your your vision until you complete it sometimes not everybody does so I totally
agree with that that's good actually I'm glad you said that because the last point I have
done here is tell the world what you intend to do but first show it yeah I think it's
so good to just to achieve your goal your dream and vision and keep like you said they're
your wise counsel yeah but sometimes you can't let everybody know um and moving into like
more about communication and it's like like whenever you're whenever you're seeking your
wise counsel we're on that a lot today uh but when you're seeking your wise counsel
you're talking to people or even whether they're in your inner circle or somebody you're just
looking for wisdom from um you want to keep you like there's scripture on this you want
you want to keep your eye you want to keep your eye your eyes and ears wide open your
mouth closed um because like if you're looking to gain wisdom it's not going to come from
you like it's not going to come if you keep opening your mouth I agree like it's going
to like if you're like the people that you're looking to gain wisdom from like let them
talk just sit there and absorb sure questions ask the questions you want to ask but just
sit there and let them talk and when pat was here and he was like sorry I talked to us
like no that like yeah that's a good thing I like that's why you're here and like uh
because he's wise not just because he talks a lot um but um um but no I think um that
was just a quick point I wanted to make that I don't like I think like you have anything
on that no I honestly I think that's good because the bible talks about that many varied
verses um be quick to hear and slow to speak yeah be a prime example that um scripture
um yeah so like all the way it's important for us to when you're in the presence of knowledge
to be not oh it's about me but how can I learn yeah how can I be teachable how can what what
am I learning from this what decision will help me achieve why am I here yeah and I think
um just to wrap it up a little bit I think that I have one one piece of scripture here
Shawn has like 50 but which is a good thing nothing that's bad it's good but uh I have
one I have one here but um this kind of lead us into the final final little discussion
point uh it's Matthew 18 19 he goes I tell you further if two of you agree upon the earth
concerning anything for which you ask it will come to you from my father who is in heaven
uh and I can speak to this from experience with Shawn and I in this podcast yeah like
we had a may we have to make multiple decisions like together in order to move forward yeah
and like we had to make decisions to start the podcast yeah like that's one thing and
like um like okay going way back to what I was talking about before about the whole like
declaration of independence and everything you know July 4th whatever July 4th is what
we celebrate but the just like Christmas you know it's not Jesus's birthday but uh
but uh the July 4th is what everybody remembers is what for for getting our independence from
Great Britain but really the more important date I think was September 15th yeah something
like that and because that was when the decision was made uh where this uh I would at least
36 no it was before that it was those three guys decided to actually pursue getting those
people together and they sent the letter that they were sending letters out and stuff and
like they're um that you know they did a decision to start yeah and that is a whole other topic
like starting but like uh but that no that's really good because that brings us to like
our first point think about it when we said uh step identifying the decision I'm sorry
we'll go right back I was just saying like step one is identifying that you need to make
a decision yeah that's what I said yeah to start yeah that's fair um that's a good point
yeah but like I wanted to like you know touch back on the scripture like even like like
if you didn't know you know we have merch yeah and like uh we had to make a decision
to do that we had to make a decision um when to do that how to do that what exactly like
we went back and forth like for at least a day or two about like what we were actually
going to sell yeah and then we sold more than we then we said we're just going to they were
like yeah we'll do shirts then we have to do hoodies yeah also let's get it and you
know 29 uh 1999 39.99 but uh 39.99 for a hoodie but um but uh more coming soon but the uh
I love it but like uh and then like we have to like we have to agree that we also like
John and I like we do have an agreement and like John has John has grace uh for some for
me I have grace for him um but we have like I feel like we've had this silent agreement
but still agreement that like whenever we have guests on yeah um they don't come on
the show until we both are like both are ready Shawn's ready most of the time yeah so it's
like just go go go it's like this person this person I'm like hold on so yeah I need to
know more about who they are and I need to like talk to them more and I knew like like
I need more information well I mean I think that's that's the reason why we work so well
because I'm like jelly and you're like peanut butter but it's all for eating you're just
saying that because because of uh no because I'm your mentor oh peanut butter and jelly
pvj yeah now bible brothers I'll listen to them um but yeah um but yeah yeah no but no
but I was thinking more of like on the aspect yeah we go together but like you know we have
two different uh ways of viewing the world in opinions and stuff but it still works because
it's like hey I want to go grab this person Thomas is like okay let's let's check let's
see what's this person's schedule let's see and we work together well because Thomas is
more um logical and I'm more uh what's it called I can't yes yeah so you know I mean
so it works out there's a spider over there got distracted but uh but it's right on the
wall I can't look I see we have so many little so many of those little guys just running
around anyway um but no guys like and the reason I brought that up at all like they
why did that happen what does coming in agreeance with each other have anything to do with the
decision making and it's because like there are like there's times where you have to stare
at a spider and you can't look away until you're behind your bookshelf okay now we're
can pay attention but but but anyway there's like there are going to be times you have
to come to a joint decision yes and I like what he said what the scripture says is um
if two if two views agree upon the earth containing anything to which you ask it will come to
you from my father in heaven I'm sure there's actual like there's some like it's not saying
literally anything you agree on that God's going to give you yeah there's like um which
is kind of like spoken throughout scripture in itself but like if it's in its will and
we agree on it and we pursue it together and like if we pursue it together and we make
decisions of like okay who's going to do what yeah and like you can't like the people like
the most successful people in the world never did it never did it by themselves that's true
and they had to make they had to make initial decisions and then they have then they then
you know at leaders you know you decide who to give um who to delegate to and then they
make decisions and then like and then us us being like the co-host co-founders of this
podcast like yeah we have to make those joint decisions yeah otherwise it's not going to
work otherwise we fight otherwise we'll get frustrated like like otherwise otherwise it
would be like otherwise it could just break apart if we're not in agreement if we aren't
making joint decisions and i feel like that goes for friendships uh but in an aspect like
this yeah that goes for business that goes for uh relationships um like yeah i like you
want to i don't have any other thing else to say on that to be honest i think you're
100% right i totally agree with that like you can't just make one person can't make
all the decisions even in a marriage think about like that because like if the husband
makes all decisions it doesn't involve the wife at all the marriage will be terrible
yeah like there's now man now i'm thinking in the scripture man look at you do to me
like i was uh reading um i'm gonna study about exodus and thinking back to moses and what he was
uh judging and he was the judge for every million of the millions of people he was a judge for
everybody and then um his father-in-law came in and was like hey yeah no like you should be
actually breaking this down and giving other people the like the different giving other people
like that you believe have this power to be judges for like a thousand a hundred and tens yeah um so
that you're not doing it all by yourself because that's not sustainable you burn yourself out it's
not going to work so it so it's like you could give other people that you know the power to make
decisions and that's that's like the top down that's yeah that's like thinking in the hierarchical
view of a business or in that case of just leadership in general um but yeah that's um
yes yeah i don't know that's all i had hey okay i'm good you want to wrap it up i think it's
time to wrap it up yeah at least yeah something else i know i honestly think that's a good point
to wrap it up that like um decision making is an important step to achieving why you are here
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