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Alright guys, during this episode of Technically Short, we delved into the final part, part
nine of the Perfectly Imperfect series on excellence.
Reflecting on past episodes with guests Pat Williams and Chastu Boy, we emphasize the
importance of having hard conversations, both in professional and personal relationships.
We draw connections between different leadership styles, highlighting the need for leaders
to know their team members personally.
The discussion touches on living in excellence, continuous improvement, and the misconception
that excellence equals perfection.
We emphasize the value of positive and negative blind spots, acknowledging areas of improvement
and strengths.
Finally, we underscore the idea that you don't need a title to lead, urging listeners to
recognize their influence on others.
Alright guys, see you in the episode.
Alright guys, welcome to this episode of Technically Short.
This is the final part, part nine of the Perfectly Imperfect series on excellence.
And I'll say this just because it's sitting right in front of us.
We may or may not have a video for this one.
So cool guys.
You guys are going to be really excited about it.
Because right now we're just doing it as a proof of concept.
But if we figure out some other things, then we'll post the video to YouTube and maybe
we'll just do it anyway.
I think it'll be cool.
We'll see.
Um, I'll move this pillow.
Um, it was bothering me.
Um, everything's better now with a camera.
It has a whole nother dynamic.
It definitely does.
It's like a parallel universe.
We have the feed on the TV.
So I keep wanting to look over at the TV.
If you look me in the eye, I'm like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like,
oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm
going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to
be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to see your head the other way around.
That's what we're going to have to get used to is actually looking at the camera when
we talk.
Also we're going to have to look here.
Yeah, instead of here.
Yeah.
That's awkward.
Yeah, that would be hard.
But, um, yeah, like I said, back on track, part nine of the perfectly imperfect series,
And we decided, you guys have heard, the last four episodes were Pat Williams and Chas Du
Boy and we always wanted to do a quick recap, but it's not going to be a quick recap.
It's going to be a good recap.
It's going to be a great recap.
I love it.
But yeah, I mean, like they both, like they said a lot of very similar things.
Absolutely.
But like in a complete, like, but they said it in very different ways.
Like him and I were like relisting to Pat's episode, just like right before we started
recording and I realized that Chas and Pat both mentioned a point about, this is further
down my notes, but you mentioned about like the inner circle.
They didn't use the word inner circle, but we've talked about it a lot.
Oh yeah, we did.
And like they talked about, Pat talked about having hard conversations with like, having
hard conversations with people that he has good relationships with, people that are on
his team so that his team is being like, they're being held accountable and that they're growing.
And then Chas kind of said the same thing about his team, but then he also, he put in
there that whenever he talked about his marriage and how the church, like Big C, the Big C
church saves his marriage, how people having those hard conversations with him, that's
like, that's a big part of what saved it.
Is having the people, having the people that will have the hard conversation with you and
also being, and then from Pat also being able to have those hard conversations with others.
And Chas also said about his team, he's like, I would rather be that person that other people
can come to, to have those hard conversations.
Or to have like blow up on me rather than blowing up on their significant other.
So that they don't, so that there aren't problems at home, like get the emotions done and over
with so that you can, I shouldn't say done and over with, but like get those high emotions
that can cause problems done and over with.
So that like, so that they can have, so like when you get home, they're calm.
They can get home, they might still be frustrated, but they're not going to like, but they already
blew their gasket and the steam's been let off.
Yeah.
So that's something like I really got out of Chas and Pat because they both talked on
that same concept, but yeah, from two different sides of the coin.
Honestly, I like where you're going with that, with hard conversations.
I feel like every leader has to have those.
Like it's just one of those things because a good leader has discipline and a good leader
has correction.
Yeah.
So like if you're going away, even think about like God, you know, I bring God and like everything
we talk about.
So like, if you think about God, like he's not going to just let us do anything because
of the simple fact he cares about us.
That's the reason why there's rules, there's our regulations, there's laws, there's things
to follow.
It's not because God's like, Hey, we don't want you to have fun, but it's more on the
side of, Hey, I care about you.
These things are going to hurt you.
Yeah.
And I feel like a good leader is going to be like, Hey, I care about you.
I can't have you do this X, Y, and Z because you're going to hurt the business because
you're going to hurt your family because you're going to hurt yourself because you're going
to hurt your finances because you're going to, and it's so important for us to have the
hard conversations.
Yeah.
They're not fun, but they're important.
So I love that you brought that up.
Yeah, for sure.
Like I think like, I don't know, another thing I got from, like, I don't know, the hard conversations,
like Pat talked about it during, he said he had conversations with both of us.
Yeah.
And for me, it was, um, dodging over the whole thing again, because you've already heard
it, but the conversation he had told me to not wait for the opportunity to present itself,
but to just kind of act and act and take charge of the situation instead of just waiting for
things to happen.
What about you?
Hard conversation Pat specifically had with me was about like living in my means, right?
Yeah.
You mentioned that.
And, uh, they actually did mention that in that episode.
I think it's really important to live in your means.
I have a problem doing that.
Um, currently the situation is like, I end up getting my, uh, my car and stuff way before
I should have, I should have got a different type of car, stuff like that.
So it would have helped me financially better if I didn't choose to do certain things.
Yeah.
But, um, I honestly thought that that was really important that the conversation that
he had with me about it was really wise counsel.
I was just hard at it, but I should have listened.
When that happens, you learn two ways, the hard way or the hardest way.
Well, that's something we talked about with Chaz.
Yeah.
He talked about failing, he talked about failing forward.
He talked about failing forward and then we talked about John Maxwell's, uh, sometimes
you, sometimes you win, sometimes you learn.
Failing forward is exactly what was in my notes actually.
Yeah.
It was like the next topic of I was going to talk about.
But we've been pretty, pretty well.
Yeah.
Cause I honestly do feel like as a good leader that you learned how the fell.
Yeah.
And then you, when you fell, you're, you're not just like broken and destroyed.
Instead, you're like, okay, I messed up.
I made a mistake.
Okay.
How can I fix this?
And I, and I was watching a video of like some of the best boxers in the world and they
said the boxing to them, they're really good at playing chess.
They said, and it's because chess teaches you that like, okay, if you make a mistake,
how can I correct it?
What can I learn from it?
The next move I can make after I already messed up on this move.
And I think it's really important that we should do that in life.
It's like, okay, I failed here.
Okay.
There's nothing to do about crying over it.
Instead, what can I learn from it?
How can I grow from it?
And how can I use this failure to improve myself, improve my family, improves my business,
improve the situation?
Yeah.
No, that's good.
Like, if we get, yeah, I don't know.
Like there's the whole concept of like I mentioned before, like sometimes you win, sometimes
you learn is that every, like we talked about with chess, you either, you either like just
accept that it's a failure and you kind of just move on and live with the failure or
you look back and you're like, okay, what have I learned from it?
Either way, you're learning something from that situation.
No matter what you're going to learn something from it, it's about what you take out of it.
And it's up to you what you actually learn from that situation, whether it's, oh, I'm
a failure or it's actually like, oh, this, like you said, this is how I can improve this,
how I don't make that same mistake again.
So, yeah.
One thing I want to go into kind of like how Pat and Chad, like I want to, well actually
there are a couple of things like, I want to go into like how Chas and Pat kind of identified
what excellence is.
Pat and like, and they both touched on how excellence isn't perfection.
Yeah, they both did.
They both mentioned like, they both mentioned how, Pat mentioned specifically, what was
it?
Chas.
If you, if you, if you tell me, I can, I can tell you which one was said which, because
I actually pulled those in my notes.
I know it was, it was Chas.
Wait, no, wait, no, it was Pat.
It was Pat talking about striving for excellence.
When I kind of connected with that, it's like striving for excellence is equal to striving
to perfection.
Yeah.
And you will never be perfect.
So therefore, like, like Michaela said in the very first episode, you're like, don't
you like striving for excellence is like, that's where you get, that's where you get
that burnout.
And it's like, the whole series, that's kind of like, you've kind of like upgraded my thought
process when it comes to excellence.
Because like Michaela talked about, it's like, you don't strive, but seek.
Yeah.
You seek, you seek what God wants you to be doing instead of like who he wants you to
be.
It says striving for something that you're never actually going to reach.
That's true.
And like Chaz mentioned excellence as continuous learning.
He meant like, it falls into line with the failing forward.
Like you're like, and you like, most of the time, like you mentioned before, you learn
the most in your failures.
Yeah, absolutely.
So like, as you're failing, as you're failing forward, like, either you fail forward, you
learn something from the situation, you take feedback from those who noticed the failure,
or maybe you didn't know it was a failure.
Maybe you didn't realize you failed, but someone's like, yeah, you messed up.
Yeah, that kind of like falls in line with what we also had about blind spots.
Yeah, that is really good.
Like I, when I was thinking about Pat, I remember him saying that excellence was aligned with
integrity.
And I was like, one of the things I was like, yeah, that that makes sense.
Because a person who, who's thriving, a person who is living excellence, they are always
that like even in their mistakes and their mess ups.
Like if you think about King David, right?
Even though he messed up, like, he did a horrible thing, got his best friend killed, put him
on the front line.
So he can have his wife, right?
Even though he did all that, right?
The reason why David is known for being excellent is because when he messed up, he didn't just
like, okay, I'm just going to never do this and not talk about this and all this.
Now, when he was busted wide open, when Nathan showed him like, hey, bro, we got you on tape.
He was, he was humble.
He apologized.
And then he, he came to God and just said, Hey, you know what?
God, I, I messed up.
I'm jacked up.
Can you fix me?
Create a new heart in me?
Cleanse me, you know, create a right spirit in me.
And I feel like that was excellent.
Like a lot, Saul, Saul messed up too, but Saul never went to God like that.
Like it's crazy.
Like there's a lot of people who made big mistakes and were not humble enough to be
like, you know what?
I messed up.
How can I fix this?
Let me be humble and do whatever I need to fix this.
And I think that's big thing integrity.
And that's why I think like when Pat said, I was like, wow, that's, that's really good.
Integrity and excellence go hand in hand.
If you're excellent, you have integrity.
Well, I think like he mentioned for him, like integrity was being the, he like quote, pretty
much quoted, like being that consistent Christian man who God is calling him to be.
If he's doing those things that, that a Christian man should be doing, then who be led to, then
you'll be led to excellence.
Oh yeah, absolutely.
And I feel like the biggest thing I took from this is that you never really become truly
excellent because like you can, you can, because the only real true, excellent, perfect being
is God was the only one that was on this earth with Jesus who is also God.
And like, but we can keep seeking like McKenna, we can keep seeking those improvement points.
We keep searching those out and always continuously grow, continuously learn.
So we can live, so we can live in that excellence.
Oh yeah, that's good.
But I don't think we become excellent ourselves.
That is really good.
Like I don't think I 100% agree with you.
I think you can never be a hundred percent, which would be excellent, which would be perfect.
But you can live in excellence.
Like you said, like you can always be trying to do the right thing.
So like, well, we had this one episode we were talking about, like excellence to me
is not being a hundred percent, but every day going up one percent.
Yeah.
And if you're like, start off at, if you're at the bottom of the bottom and you're just
like, Hey, my life's all jacked up.
The next day you can try to do something to get one percent.
And then the next day after that, you can be like, you know what?
I'm going to try to get another percent.
So you go up two percent and then you just do that every day of your life.
And eventually you're going to live in excellence.
Well, that's part of it.
That is part of living in excellence.
So that, that like living in excellence is that continuous growth.
If you're, if you're, if you're, I don't think there's like a, I don't feel like you feel
like there's a threshold to when that starts.
Yeah.
It's like, if you're focusing on growth and you're focusing on excellence.
Yeah.
And so like, if you're in excellence and like, I'm not disagreeing with you, right?
Like I'm just like expanding.
I wanted to expand a little bit more because like there's a, you know, that Andrew, we
got it when I just read Atomic Habits.
Yeah.
And there's actually a whole like section in that about one percent improvement, one
percent changes.
And like, it's not, it's not about trying to improve the exact thing that you're looking
at.
It's not like about like, okay, how can I be, how can I be the best podcaster ever?
Yeah.
It's not like every day trying to focus on one thing and focus on one thing that we,
that you think will make you the best podcaster.
No, it's about making those small one percent changes in different areas, in those different
areas.
Like how can I, like first we started with like first, like the first one percent change
for us was actually just starting the podcast.
Yeah, absolutely.
And it was starting the podcast and figuring out like how do we, what's the setup going
to look like?
How the one percent change of, for me it was taking notes and having notes ready for the
episodes.
Then another one percent change, bringing on guests and getting better at getting a
one percent change of the process of reaching out to them.
Yeah.
Another one percent change, adding a video or at least right now doing like a beta test
for the video.
That's what I mean, we're just constantly growing.
I totally agree with you Thomas.
That's where I'm saying like one percent and what I mean by that and I'm glad you expanded
on it.
I didn't mean you just get one percent of one small category of your life.
I mean one percent of everything in your life.
So it's like you should be trying to grow all together the equal one percent.
Like, so like if you were to be the best fighter in the world, right, if you, we'll just use
this example, that would not mean you just train.
All you want to do is train as the being the best fighter.
I don't think that's being able to be living in excellence if you're just training just
in that one area.
But if you're reading books, if you're playing chess, if you're, if you're a fiscally working
out, if you're eating healthy, all this helps you to be the better fighter.
Yeah.
No, no, that makes perfect sense.
And like, yeah, because like those things by themselves wouldn't make a difference.
Yeah.
They'll make a difference, but not the difference.
Right.
A difference, not the difference.
That could be a whole broad topic off of it.
That's amazing.
And like by itself, like in the book, I won't dive into that, but the, but the like, if
you, if anybody can improve their diet.
Right.
We're going down a rabbit hole, so we'll reel it back in a second.
But yeah, anybody can improve their diet.
So that by itself doesn't make you a better wrestler.
Right.
But it's that on top of the next thing, on top of the next thing, on top of the next
thing, on top of the next thing.
And inadvertently you will become, if you're looking to become a better wrestler and you're
improving on things that will make you a better, all the things that go into wrestling well,
then the result will be that you will become a better wrestler.
That's living in excellence.
Right.
That's what it is.
Exactly.
And like, I probably just recapped exactly what you said.
No, that's good.
But yeah, but the real is back.
You can be hit off on a major tangent.
We did.
It was good.
It was a good one, but positive blind spots.
I've been talking about with Chaz.
Can you remind me of that?
I totally forgot.
Yeah.
So like, you know, you know what a blind spot is?
So like the negative blind spot, whenever somebody comes up, like somebody, like a close
friend or if you're a leader or somebody on your team points out, points out something
that something that you didn't realize was a weakness or something, a gap that you didn't
know need filled.
That, that's what we were calling negative in the Chaz episodes, negative blind spots.
And I made the connection that like, there's also positive blind spots whenever people
notice the things in you.
This goes back to Brandon's episode actually.
Notice the things in you that are good.
Like Pouser Kells in you.
Yeah, exactly.
That like somebody notices something in you and they call it out and to you that seems
normal, right?
But to, but to the person that noticed it, it's like, it's great.
It's a fantastic thing.
And they want to exalt you for it and point you out.
Like Brandon's talking about speaking the gold and like, so like whenever you see like
when they're like speaking the gold, maybe see those positive blind spots of something
and maybe somebody's down, like things that you downplay yourself that like, oh, or you
want to act humbly or and like to you that's like, this is my, like this is just who I
am.
This is what I do.
Or like, well, you're like one of the only people that do this, that thing.
You know, like that's special.
Yeah.
So like that's where we're talking about positive blind spots.
And like, I love that we can make those connections because of the community that we're in and
like the people that we found on the show, like they can make the connections between
Chaz, what Chaz and Brandon said was easy.
Yeah.
Just being like, but well, it was like what we talked, it was overall what we talked about,
but like the, but we keep having these continuous conversations on excellence.
Like if we are, if our concepts of excellence are the same as it was two months ago, then
we did something wrong.
I agree.
But then like, let's go get my notes.
Man, it's weird having a camera.
I was going to say that.
I actually love having a camera.
I think it's really cool.
I have, you know what I was going to bring up that literally Chaz and Pat both talked
about, which I feel like every leader should listen to this and listen to this very closely
if you're a leader, know the people that you're leading.
They both brought that up and it's in the way that they brought it up was different,
but very important.
Know the people that you're leading because that's how you know who was bought in.
That's how you know the certain people who are only there for a season.
All that.
That's very important.
And if you get to know them, you're also able to put certain people in their strengths.
Like there was a time I worked at this eyeglass place as a job.
My strength was not making glasses.
My strength is selling glasses or selling a merchandise, but she didn't know that.
She didn't get the time to know that.
So she put me in the area where I did not good.
I made glasses.
We made like 250 glasses a week and you're only supposed to break five a month.
I was break five every day.
Like you were supposed to break five.
Well that was the policy.
It was only supposed to be five minimum, like maximum.
Yeah.
Five maximum a month.
I was breaking five a day.
Man, it was not my strong suit.
She didn't get a time to know me.
She just put me in a spot when I got hired and I didn't apply for that spot either.
It was just like she's put me in the spot because that's what they needed.
So that's why I'm saying as a leader, it's important to know what you have so you don't
put the wrong things in the spot that you were hoping for.
Does that make sense?
Yeah.
I get what you're saying.
You want to get to know the people that you're leading and through those conversations that
we already talked about.
Chad talked about how being a Christian man who isn't allowed to talk about his faith
at the workplace, but he can still be the light.
He can still have grace.
He can still show people who Jesus is.
Through that, people are attracted to him.
People are in the way of... They want to have that conversation with him.
He takes the time to just have a normal conversation, not to just be all work and no play, but just
not be all work.
Right.
It's like just have a casual conversation.
How are you doing?
How's your family doing?
What are your interests?
What are your goals?
Like Pat said, getting to know what the goals are of his employees or of his team members,
of the people on his team so that he knows where they want to improve.
Then he goes, I hope I can supply you with what you're looking for to improve with and
hopefully you stay here, but if not, that's okay as long as you've improved.
That's the concept.
That's bizarre because you think like, I hope you stay, but if you don't, I still want you
to improve.
I still want the best for you and that's not normal in today's society.
It's definitely not.
To speak on this, before I came here, my old church, they love me.
They would want me to improve, but they would never want me to leave the church.
That's the thing.
One body of a church is anywhere.
The body is big.
Church is a small seat.
God can have you go anywhere and long as you're improving, that's the important thing.
It's not supposed to be like, no, you can only stay here no matter what.
It's like, no, God might have you go over there or over there or vice versa.
A lot of people don't like that.
It was a big rift or I would say that me and my Godfather had and still this day still
because I left, but God called me somewhere else.
I think it's important to be able to be a good leader, to be able to let even your best
person around you in your life, let them free if they need to go somewhere else they need
to go.
You just want them to do improving like you said, long as they're improving, that's the
important thing.
And providing them with the things that, providing them with the resources to improve and that
hopefully that will make a Wednesday.
The last thing I have written down here, Pat and I talked about personally and then we
talked about on the podcast was that you don't need a title to lead.
And so we'll do a quick recap.
Did I already mention this during this recording?
No.
Okay.
I just listened to the episode.
It's all meshing together.
But yeah, that you don't need a title to lead, that you don't need to wait to not, you don't
need to wait to be established.
Not even be established, but like, hmm, but like have to show your influence because like
you everybody has influence and that's what leadership is.
So the, and like, I'm not saying that like you try to like step on people's toes, but
like if you want, like for my, my instance, I want, I like you heard on Pat's episode
that I wanted to mentor this one guy and I was told by one of my friends that he would
be a, he would be a good person for me to mentor.
But I wasn't close with him at all.
And so I was like, so I, the first thing I had to start doing was just having conversations
with him and it, that led to our relationship growing.
It led to me being able to have, maybe if I have like specific conversations and hang
out with him one on one and just be just friends with him and be able to show up and like,
and I was waiting for, like I think, I did say this, like how about waiting for the opportunity
to present itself.
So yeah, I guess like if you get anything, I think that's something, something to think
about.
Like we talked about excellence, but both of the, both of the, these last two episodes,
they're both leaders in their work leaders in their workplace and whether like Pat's
an entrepreneur and Chad's is somebody who said like, I don't want to be an entrepreneur
or that I wish I could, I wish I was that kind of person, but I'm not.
So I'm, because I like having that, he likes having that, that paycheck.
Which makes perfect, that makes sense.
But like they're both leaders where they're at.
So like these last two episodes, like I really liked that we talked about leadership so much.
But yeah, if you get anything out of that and you're looking at leadership or if you
don't, even if you don't have a title of leadership, but you don't need to have a title to lead,
take that out of it.
Like, and even if you aren't, don't have a title to lead and you don't want a title to
lead, you're still leading somebody.
You still have influence in somebody's life.
Like no matter what, we're always being influenced by everything.
Everything goes into our ears, everything goes into everything we see, it's all affecting
us.
So everything you say, everything you do affects the other people around you no matter where
you are.
So that's why we talked, that's why Pat and Chas was that lead with integrity.
Yeah.
I love that you brought that in that say, like you don't need a title to lead because
God's teaching me that in this season where I'm at now.
But yeah, for the longest time I thought you did.
And the enemy would use that against me so I could just continue to live a life in sin.
But I didn't have a title.
I was like, oh, you're not a leader yet.
So you're just like everybody else.
You don't need that yet.
So you can do whatever you want to do.
And I think it's important to realize like you don't need that title to lead.
And if you start without the title, you'll get the title eventually if it's meant for
you.
Yeah.
That's good.
Well, I think that's a good place to wrap it up.
I think that's it.
All right guys.
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If you noticed, it's been hard for us to both look at the camera.
The whole time it would be weird just us looking at the camera since we see this.
Like this was blocked off.
I think it'd be easier.
But since us seeing each other on screen, it looks cooler.
So it's hard for us to just be like.
I mean, I was either looking at the floor or you or the camera.
But yeah, same.
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