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Alright guys, during this episode of Technically Short, we delved into the final part, part

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nine of the Perfectly Imperfect series on excellence.

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Reflecting on past episodes with guests Pat Williams and Chastu Boy, we emphasize the

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importance of having hard conversations, both in professional and personal relationships.

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We draw connections between different leadership styles, highlighting the need for leaders

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to know their team members personally.

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The discussion touches on living in excellence, continuous improvement, and the misconception

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that excellence equals perfection.

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We emphasize the value of positive and negative blind spots, acknowledging areas of improvement

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and strengths.

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Finally, we underscore the idea that you don't need a title to lead, urging listeners to

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recognize their influence on others.

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Alright guys, see you in the episode.

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Alright guys, welcome to this episode of Technically Short.

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This is the final part, part nine of the Perfectly Imperfect series on excellence.

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And I'll say this just because it's sitting right in front of us.

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We may or may not have a video for this one.

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So cool guys.

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You guys are going to be really excited about it.

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Because right now we're just doing it as a proof of concept.

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But if we figure out some other things, then we'll post the video to YouTube and maybe

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we'll just do it anyway.

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I think it'll be cool.

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We'll see.

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Um, I'll move this pillow.

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Um, it was bothering me.

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Um, everything's better now with a camera.

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It has a whole nother dynamic.

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It definitely does.

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It's like a parallel universe.

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We have the feed on the TV.

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So I keep wanting to look over at the TV.

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If you look me in the eye, I'm like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like,

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oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm

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going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to

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be like, oh, I'm going to be like, oh, I'm going to see your head the other way around.

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That's what we're going to have to get used to is actually looking at the camera when

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Also we're going to have to look here.

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Yeah, instead of here.

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That's awkward.

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Yeah, that would be hard.

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But, um, yeah, like I said, back on track, part nine of the perfectly imperfect series,

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And we decided, you guys have heard, the last four episodes were Pat Williams and Chas Du

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Boy and we always wanted to do a quick recap, but it's not going to be a quick recap.

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It's going to be a good recap.

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It's going to be a good recap.

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It's going to be a great recap.

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I love it.

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But yeah, I mean, like they both, like they said a lot of very similar things.

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Absolutely.

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But like in a complete, like, but they said it in very different ways.

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Like him and I were like relisting to Pat's episode, just like right before we started

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recording and I realized that Chas and Pat both mentioned a point about, this is further

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down my notes, but you mentioned about like the inner circle.

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They didn't use the word inner circle, but we've talked about it a lot.

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Oh yeah, we did.

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And like they talked about, Pat talked about having hard conversations with like, having

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hard conversations with people that he has good relationships with, people that are on

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his team so that his team is being like, they're being held accountable and that they're growing.

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And then Chas kind of said the same thing about his team, but then he also, he put in

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there that whenever he talked about his marriage and how the church, like Big C, the Big C

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church saves his marriage, how people having those hard conversations with him, that's

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like, that's a big part of what saved it.

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Is having the people, having the people that will have the hard conversation with you and

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also being, and then from Pat also being able to have those hard conversations with others.

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And Chas also said about his team, he's like, I would rather be that person that other people

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can come to, to have those hard conversations.

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Or to have like blow up on me rather than blowing up on their significant other.

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So that they don't, so that there aren't problems at home, like get the emotions done and over

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with so that you can, I shouldn't say done and over with, but like get those high emotions

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that can cause problems done and over with.

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So that like, so that they can have, so like when you get home, they're calm.

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They can get home, they might still be frustrated, but they're not going to like, but they already

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blew their gasket and the steam's been let off.

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So that's something like I really got out of Chas and Pat because they both talked on

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that same concept, but yeah, from two different sides of the coin.

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Honestly, I like where you're going with that, with hard conversations.

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I feel like every leader has to have those.

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Like it's just one of those things because a good leader has discipline and a good leader

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has correction.

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So like if you're going away, even think about like God, you know, I bring God and like everything

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So like, if you think about God, like he's not going to just let us do anything because

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of the simple fact he cares about us.

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That's the reason why there's rules, there's our regulations, there's laws, there's things

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to follow.

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It's not because God's like, Hey, we don't want you to have fun, but it's more on the

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side of, Hey, I care about you.

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These things are going to hurt you.

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And I feel like a good leader is going to be like, Hey, I care about you.

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I can't have you do this X, Y, and Z because you're going to hurt the business because

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you're going to hurt your family because you're going to hurt yourself because you're going

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to hurt your finances because you're going to, and it's so important for us to have the

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hard conversations.

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They're not fun, but they're important.

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So I love that you brought that up.

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Yeah, for sure.

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Like I think like, I don't know, another thing I got from, like, I don't know, the hard conversations,

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like Pat talked about it during, he said he had conversations with both of us.

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And for me, it was, um, dodging over the whole thing again, because you've already heard

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it, but the conversation he had told me to not wait for the opportunity to present itself,

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but to just kind of act and act and take charge of the situation instead of just waiting for

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things to happen.

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What about you?

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Hard conversation Pat specifically had with me was about like living in my means, right?

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You mentioned that.

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And, uh, they actually did mention that in that episode.

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I think it's really important to live in your means.

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I have a problem doing that.

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Um, currently the situation is like, I end up getting my, uh, my car and stuff way before

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I should have, I should have got a different type of car, stuff like that.

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So it would have helped me financially better if I didn't choose to do certain things.

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Yeah.

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But, um, I honestly thought that that was really important that the conversation that

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he had with me about it was really wise counsel.

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I was just hard at it, but I should have listened.

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When that happens, you learn two ways, the hard way or the hardest way.

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Well, that's something we talked about with Chaz.

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He talked about failing, he talked about failing forward.

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He talked about failing forward and then we talked about John Maxwell's, uh, sometimes

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you, sometimes you win, sometimes you learn.

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Failing forward is exactly what was in my notes actually.

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Yeah.

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It was like the next topic of I was going to talk about.

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But we've been pretty, pretty well.

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Yeah.

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Cause I honestly do feel like as a good leader that you learned how the fell.

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Yeah.

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And then you, when you fell, you're, you're not just like broken and destroyed.

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Instead, you're like, okay, I messed up.

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I made a mistake.

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Okay.

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How can I fix this?

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And I, and I was watching a video of like some of the best boxers in the world and they

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said the boxing to them, they're really good at playing chess.

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They said, and it's because chess teaches you that like, okay, if you make a mistake,

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how can I correct it?

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What can I learn from it?

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The next move I can make after I already messed up on this move.

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And I think it's really important that we should do that in life.

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It's like, okay, I failed here.

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Okay.

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There's nothing to do about crying over it.

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Instead, what can I learn from it?

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How can I grow from it?

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And how can I use this failure to improve myself, improve my family, improves my business,

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improve the situation?

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Yeah.

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No, that's good.

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Like, if we get, yeah, I don't know.

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Like there's the whole concept of like I mentioned before, like sometimes you win, sometimes

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you learn is that every, like we talked about with chess, you either, you either like just

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accept that it's a failure and you kind of just move on and live with the failure or

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you look back and you're like, okay, what have I learned from it?

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Either way, you're learning something from that situation.

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No matter what you're going to learn something from it, it's about what you take out of it.

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And it's up to you what you actually learn from that situation, whether it's, oh, I'm

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a failure or it's actually like, oh, this, like you said, this is how I can improve this,

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how I don't make that same mistake again.

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So, yeah.

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One thing I want to go into kind of like how Pat and Chad, like I want to, well actually

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there are a couple of things like, I want to go into like how Chas and Pat kind of identified

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what excellence is.

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Pat and like, and they both touched on how excellence isn't perfection.

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Yeah, they both did.

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They both mentioned like, they both mentioned how, Pat mentioned specifically, what was

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Chas.

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If you, if you, if you tell me, I can, I can tell you which one was said which, because

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I actually pulled those in my notes.

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I know it was, it was Chas.

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Wait, no, wait, no, it was Pat.

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It was Pat talking about striving for excellence.

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When I kind of connected with that, it's like striving for excellence is equal to striving

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to perfection.

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And you will never be perfect.

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So therefore, like, like Michaela said in the very first episode, you're like, don't

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you like striving for excellence is like, that's where you get, that's where you get

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that burnout.

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And it's like, the whole series, that's kind of like, you've kind of like upgraded my thought

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process when it comes to excellence.

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Because like Michaela talked about, it's like, you don't strive, but seek.

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Yeah.

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You seek, you seek what God wants you to be doing instead of like who he wants you to

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be.

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It says striving for something that you're never actually going to reach.

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That's true.

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And like Chaz mentioned excellence as continuous learning.

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He meant like, it falls into line with the failing forward.

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Like you're like, and you like, most of the time, like you mentioned before, you learn

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the most in your failures.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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So like, as you're failing, as you're failing forward, like, either you fail forward, you

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learn something from the situation, you take feedback from those who noticed the failure,

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or maybe you didn't know it was a failure.

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Maybe you didn't realize you failed, but someone's like, yeah, you messed up.

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Yeah, that kind of like falls in line with what we also had about blind spots.

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Yeah, that is really good.

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Like I, when I was thinking about Pat, I remember him saying that excellence was aligned with

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integrity.

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And I was like, one of the things I was like, yeah, that that makes sense.

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Because a person who, who's thriving, a person who is living excellence, they are always

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that like even in their mistakes and their mess ups.

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Like if you think about King David, right?

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Even though he messed up, like, he did a horrible thing, got his best friend killed, put him

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on the front line.

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So he can have his wife, right?

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Even though he did all that, right?

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The reason why David is known for being excellent is because when he messed up, he didn't just

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like, okay, I'm just going to never do this and not talk about this and all this.

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Now, when he was busted wide open, when Nathan showed him like, hey, bro, we got you on tape.

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He was, he was humble.

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He apologized.

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And then he, he came to God and just said, Hey, you know what?

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God, I, I messed up.

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I'm jacked up.

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Can you fix me?

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Create a new heart in me?

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Cleanse me, you know, create a right spirit in me.

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And I feel like that was excellent.

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Like a lot, Saul, Saul messed up too, but Saul never went to God like that.

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Like it's crazy.

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Like there's a lot of people who made big mistakes and were not humble enough to be

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like, you know what?

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I messed up.

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How can I fix this?

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Let me be humble and do whatever I need to fix this.

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And I think that's big thing integrity.

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And that's why I think like when Pat said, I was like, wow, that's, that's really good.

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Integrity and excellence go hand in hand.

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If you're excellent, you have integrity.

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Well, I think like he mentioned for him, like integrity was being the, he like quote, pretty

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much quoted, like being that consistent Christian man who God is calling him to be.

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If he's doing those things that, that a Christian man should be doing, then who be led to, then

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you'll be led to excellence.

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Oh yeah, absolutely.

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And I feel like the biggest thing I took from this is that you never really become truly

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excellent because like you can, you can, because the only real true, excellent, perfect being

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is God was the only one that was on this earth with Jesus who is also God.

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And like, but we can keep seeking like McKenna, we can keep seeking those improvement points.

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We keep searching those out and always continuously grow, continuously learn.

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So we can live, so we can live in that excellence.

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Oh yeah, that's good.

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But I don't think we become excellent ourselves.

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That is really good.

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Like I don't think I 100% agree with you.

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I think you can never be a hundred percent, which would be excellent, which would be perfect.

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But you can live in excellence.

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Like you said, like you can always be trying to do the right thing.

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So like, well, we had this one episode we were talking about, like excellence to me

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is not being a hundred percent, but every day going up one percent.

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Yeah.

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And if you're like, start off at, if you're at the bottom of the bottom and you're just

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like, Hey, my life's all jacked up.

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The next day you can try to do something to get one percent.

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And then the next day after that, you can be like, you know what?

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I'm going to try to get another percent.

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So you go up two percent and then you just do that every day of your life.

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And eventually you're going to live in excellence.

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Well, that's part of it.

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That is part of living in excellence.

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So that, that like living in excellence is that continuous growth.

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If you're, if you're, if you're, I don't think there's like a, I don't feel like you feel

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like there's a threshold to when that starts.

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Yeah.

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It's like, if you're focusing on growth and you're focusing on excellence.

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Yeah.

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And so like, if you're in excellence and like, I'm not disagreeing with you, right?

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Like I'm just like expanding.

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I wanted to expand a little bit more because like there's a, you know, that Andrew, we

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got it when I just read Atomic Habits.

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Yeah.

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And there's actually a whole like section in that about one percent improvement, one

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percent changes.

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And like, it's not, it's not about trying to improve the exact thing that you're looking

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at.

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It's not like about like, okay, how can I be, how can I be the best podcaster ever?

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Yeah.

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It's not like every day trying to focus on one thing and focus on one thing that we,

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that you think will make you the best podcaster.

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No, it's about making those small one percent changes in different areas, in those different

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areas.

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Like how can I, like first we started with like first, like the first one percent change

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for us was actually just starting the podcast.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And it was starting the podcast and figuring out like how do we, what's the setup going

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to look like?

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How the one percent change of, for me it was taking notes and having notes ready for the

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episodes.

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Then another one percent change, bringing on guests and getting better at getting a

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one percent change of the process of reaching out to them.

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Yeah.

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Another one percent change, adding a video or at least right now doing like a beta test

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for the video.

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That's what I mean, we're just constantly growing.

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I totally agree with you Thomas.

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That's where I'm saying like one percent and what I mean by that and I'm glad you expanded

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on it.

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I didn't mean you just get one percent of one small category of your life.

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I mean one percent of everything in your life.

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So it's like you should be trying to grow all together the equal one percent.

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Like, so like if you were to be the best fighter in the world, right, if you, we'll just use

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this example, that would not mean you just train.

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All you want to do is train as the being the best fighter.

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I don't think that's being able to be living in excellence if you're just training just

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in that one area.

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But if you're reading books, if you're playing chess, if you're, if you're a fiscally working

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out, if you're eating healthy, all this helps you to be the better fighter.

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Yeah.

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No, no, that makes perfect sense.

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And like, yeah, because like those things by themselves wouldn't make a difference.

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Yeah.

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They'll make a difference, but not the difference.

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Right.

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A difference, not the difference.

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That could be a whole broad topic off of it.

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That's amazing.

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And like by itself, like in the book, I won't dive into that, but the, but the like, if

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you, if anybody can improve their diet.

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Right.

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Right.

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We're going down a rabbit hole, so we'll reel it back in a second.

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But yeah, anybody can improve their diet.

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So that by itself doesn't make you a better wrestler.

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Right.

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But it's that on top of the next thing, on top of the next thing, on top of the next

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thing, on top of the next thing.

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And inadvertently you will become, if you're looking to become a better wrestler and you're

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improving on things that will make you a better, all the things that go into wrestling well,

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then the result will be that you will become a better wrestler.

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That's living in excellence.

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Right.

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That's what it is.

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Exactly.

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And like, I probably just recapped exactly what you said.

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No, that's good.

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But yeah, but the real is back.

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You can be hit off on a major tangent.

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We did.

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It was good.

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It was a good one, but positive blind spots.

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I've been talking about with Chaz.

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Can you remind me of that?

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I totally forgot.

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Yeah.

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So like, you know, you know what a blind spot is?

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So like the negative blind spot, whenever somebody comes up, like somebody, like a close

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friend or if you're a leader or somebody on your team points out, points out something

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that something that you didn't realize was a weakness or something, a gap that you didn't

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know need filled.

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That, that's what we were calling negative in the Chaz episodes, negative blind spots.

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And I made the connection that like, there's also positive blind spots whenever people

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notice the things in you.

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This goes back to Brandon's episode actually.

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Notice the things in you that are good.

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Like Pouser Kells in you.

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Yeah, exactly.

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That like somebody notices something in you and they call it out and to you that seems

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normal, right?

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But to, but to the person that noticed it, it's like, it's great.

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It's a fantastic thing.

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And they want to exalt you for it and point you out.

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Like Brandon's talking about speaking the gold and like, so like whenever you see like

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when they're like speaking the gold, maybe see those positive blind spots of something

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and maybe somebody's down, like things that you downplay yourself that like, oh, or you

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want to act humbly or and like to you that's like, this is my, like this is just who I

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am.

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This is what I do.

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Or like, well, you're like one of the only people that do this, that thing.

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You know, like that's special.

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Yeah.

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So like that's where we're talking about positive blind spots.

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And like, I love that we can make those connections because of the community that we're in and

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like the people that we found on the show, like they can make the connections between

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Chaz, what Chaz and Brandon said was easy.

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Yeah.

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Just being like, but well, it was like what we talked, it was overall what we talked about,

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but like the, but we keep having these continuous conversations on excellence.

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Like if we are, if our concepts of excellence are the same as it was two months ago, then

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we did something wrong.

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I agree.

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I agree.

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But then like, let's go get my notes.

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Man, it's weird having a camera.

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I was going to say that.

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I actually love having a camera.

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I think it's really cool.

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I have, you know what I was going to bring up that literally Chaz and Pat both talked

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about, which I feel like every leader should listen to this and listen to this very closely

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if you're a leader, know the people that you're leading.

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They both brought that up and it's in the way that they brought it up was different,

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but very important.

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Know the people that you're leading because that's how you know who was bought in.

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That's how you know the certain people who are only there for a season.

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All that.

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That's very important.

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And if you get to know them, you're also able to put certain people in their strengths.

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Like there was a time I worked at this eyeglass place as a job.

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My strength was not making glasses.

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My strength is selling glasses or selling a merchandise, but she didn't know that.

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She didn't get the time to know that.

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So she put me in the area where I did not good.

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I made glasses.

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We made like 250 glasses a week and you're only supposed to break five a month.

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I was break five every day.

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Like you were supposed to break five.

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Well that was the policy.

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It was only supposed to be five minimum, like maximum.

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Yeah.

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Five maximum a month.

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I was breaking five a day.

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Man, it was not my strong suit.

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She didn't get a time to know me.

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She just put me in a spot when I got hired and I didn't apply for that spot either.

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It was just like she's put me in the spot because that's what they needed.

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So that's why I'm saying as a leader, it's important to know what you have so you don't

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put the wrong things in the spot that you were hoping for.

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Does that make sense?

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Yeah.

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I get what you're saying.

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You want to get to know the people that you're leading and through those conversations that

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we already talked about.

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Chad talked about how being a Christian man who isn't allowed to talk about his faith

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at the workplace, but he can still be the light.

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He can still have grace.

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He can still show people who Jesus is.

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Through that, people are attracted to him.

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People are in the way of... They want to have that conversation with him.

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He takes the time to just have a normal conversation, not to just be all work and no play, but just

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not be all work.

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Right.

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It's like just have a casual conversation.

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How are you doing?

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How's your family doing?

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What are your interests?

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What are your goals?

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Like Pat said, getting to know what the goals are of his employees or of his team members,

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of the people on his team so that he knows where they want to improve.

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Then he goes, I hope I can supply you with what you're looking for to improve with and

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hopefully you stay here, but if not, that's okay as long as you've improved.

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That's the concept.

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That's bizarre because you think like, I hope you stay, but if you don't, I still want you

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to improve.

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I still want the best for you and that's not normal in today's society.

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It's definitely not.

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To speak on this, before I came here, my old church, they love me.

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They would want me to improve, but they would never want me to leave the church.

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That's the thing.

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One body of a church is anywhere.

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The body is big.

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Church is a small seat.

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God can have you go anywhere and long as you're improving, that's the important thing.

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It's not supposed to be like, no, you can only stay here no matter what.

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It's like, no, God might have you go over there or over there or vice versa.

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A lot of people don't like that.

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It was a big rift or I would say that me and my Godfather had and still this day still

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because I left, but God called me somewhere else.

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I think it's important to be able to be a good leader, to be able to let even your best

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person around you in your life, let them free if they need to go somewhere else they need

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to go.

481
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:18,160
You just want them to do improving like you said, long as they're improving, that's the

482
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,160
important thing.

483
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:31,600
And providing them with the things that, providing them with the resources to improve and that

484
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:37,080
hopefully that will make a Wednesday.

485
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:44,600
The last thing I have written down here, Pat and I talked about personally and then we

486
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:51,240
talked about on the podcast was that you don't need a title to lead.

487
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:52,840
And so we'll do a quick recap.

488
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,520
Did I already mention this during this recording?

489
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:56,520
No.

490
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:57,520
Okay.

491
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:58,520
I just listened to the episode.

492
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,840
It's all meshing together.

493
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:10,480
But yeah, that you don't need a title to lead, that you don't need to wait to not, you don't

494
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:15,080
need to wait to be established.

495
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:26,480
Not even be established, but like, hmm, but like have to show your influence because like

496
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,440
you everybody has influence and that's what leadership is.

497
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:40,840
So the, and like, I'm not saying that like you try to like step on people's toes, but

498
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:46,120
like if you want, like for my, my instance, I want, I like you heard on Pat's episode

499
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:56,840
that I wanted to mentor this one guy and I was told by one of my friends that he would

500
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,800
be a, he would be a good person for me to mentor.

501
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,480
But I wasn't close with him at all.

502
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:09,080
And so I was like, so I, the first thing I had to start doing was just having conversations

503
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:14,720
with him and it, that led to our relationship growing.

504
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:21,680
It led to me being able to have, maybe if I have like specific conversations and hang

505
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:30,080
out with him one on one and just be just friends with him and be able to show up and like,

506
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:34,320
and I was waiting for, like I think, I did say this, like how about waiting for the opportunity

507
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:35,320
to present itself.

508
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:42,720
So yeah, I guess like if you get anything, I think that's something, something to think

509
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:43,720
about.

510
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:48,040
Like we talked about excellence, but both of the, both of the, these last two episodes,

511
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:52,800
they're both leaders in their work leaders in their workplace and whether like Pat's

512
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:57,640
an entrepreneur and Chad's is somebody who said like, I don't want to be an entrepreneur

513
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:02,560
or that I wish I could, I wish I was that kind of person, but I'm not.

514
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:09,440
So I'm, because I like having that, he likes having that, that paycheck.

515
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,600
Which makes perfect, that makes sense.

516
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,080
But like they're both leaders where they're at.

517
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,720
So like these last two episodes, like I really liked that we talked about leadership so much.

518
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:25,080
But yeah, if you get anything out of that and you're looking at leadership or if you

519
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:31,720
don't, even if you don't have a title of leadership, but you don't need to have a title to lead,

520
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,000
take that out of it.

521
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:40,840
Like, and even if you aren't, don't have a title to lead and you don't want a title to

522
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,040
lead, you're still leading somebody.

523
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:48,320
You still have influence in somebody's life.

524
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,800
Like no matter what, we're always being influenced by everything.

525
00:33:51,800 --> 00:34:00,320
Everything goes into our ears, everything goes into everything we see, it's all affecting

526
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:01,320
us.

527
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:06,400
So everything you say, everything you do affects the other people around you no matter where

528
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,640
you are.

529
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:14,360
So that's why we talked, that's why Pat and Chas was that lead with integrity.

530
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:15,360
Yeah.

531
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,760
I love that you brought that in that say, like you don't need a title to lead because

532
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,160
God's teaching me that in this season where I'm at now.

533
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,280
But yeah, for the longest time I thought you did.

534
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:30,800
And the enemy would use that against me so I could just continue to live a life in sin.

535
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,120
But I didn't have a title.

536
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,760
I was like, oh, you're not a leader yet.

537
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,160
So you're just like everybody else.

538
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,800
You don't need that yet.

539
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,760
So you can do whatever you want to do.

540
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:47,320
And I think it's important to realize like you don't need that title to lead.

541
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:52,240
And if you start without the title, you'll get the title eventually if it's meant for

542
00:34:52,240 --> 00:34:53,240
you.

543
00:34:53,240 --> 00:34:54,240
Yeah.

544
00:34:54,240 --> 00:34:55,240
That's good.

545
00:34:55,240 --> 00:34:58,560
Well, I think that's a good place to wrap it up.

546
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,360
I think that's it.

547
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,480
All right guys.

548
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:06,120
Thanks for watching maybe this episode.

549
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:10,680
But thank you definitely for listening to this episode.

550
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,560
If you haven't already, subscribe and give us a five star rating.

551
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:15,560
Five star.

552
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:16,560
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553
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:17,560
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554
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,560
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555
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:26,760
Because if you have nothing to say, don't say anything at all.

556
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:27,760
Amen.

557
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:28,760
Amen.

558
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:37,440
But yeah guys, I will say if you like the video, if we have a video and you see us on

559
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,600
the video, let us know what you think on YouTube.

560
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:46,080
If you noticed, it's been hard for us to both look at the camera.

561
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:51,640
The whole time it would be weird just us looking at the camera since we see this.

562
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:53,200
Like this was blocked off.

563
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,080
I think it'd be easier.

564
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:59,200
But since us seeing each other on screen, it looks cooler.

565
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,640
So it's hard for us to just be like.

566
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:06,280
I mean, I was either looking at the floor or you or the camera.

567
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,280
But yeah, same.

568
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:12,680
But all right guys, we'll see you next time.

569
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:26,600
Love you guys.

