1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:12,240 Alright guys, welcome to part 7.2 in the perfectly imperfect series with Patrick Williams. 2 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:17,940 We talk about subjects like the potential pitfalls of relying on social media for success 3 00:00:17,940 --> 00:00:21,520 and the importance of face-to-face communication. 4 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:28,880 Pat emphasizes the need for passion, effort, and being a savage in pursuing one's goals. 5 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:36,320 We also delve into relationships with advice on being true to oneself, finding mentors, 6 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:40,400 and having a relationship centered around shared values. 7 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,520 Guys, this again is part 2. 8 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:46,800 If you haven't already listened to part 1, go back and listen to part 1. 9 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:50,200 And I said it before and I'll say it again. 10 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:56,440 Take some notes. 11 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:00,200 Even now it's easier to think that overnight success is possible with social media and 12 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:05,600 Instagram and TikTok and all these different avenues to make a quick buck. 13 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:09,920 But one click of a button, all that social media could be gone. 14 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,360 Overseas it's regulated. 15 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:13,360 Gaming is regulated. 16 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:14,360 That's crazy. 17 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:15,360 In China. 18 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:19,200 You're allowed two hours a day or something like that. 19 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,200 Kids are allowed to play online. 20 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,720 They can do that. 21 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:30,680 So if you're a Twitch player and you're making all this money, they could definitely be done. 22 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:32,960 So what's your ability to make income then? 23 00:01:32,960 --> 00:01:34,960 What are you doing? 24 00:01:34,960 --> 00:01:39,280 The thing that if I had one thing to say to the newest generation, be a little bit of 25 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,880 a savage and you'll be very successful. 26 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:42,880 Just a little bit. 27 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:44,640 And know how to talk to people. 28 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:45,640 Not text, not email. 29 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:46,640 There's a place for all of it. 30 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,200 DMs on IG and all that stuff. 31 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:50,520 There's a place for all of it. 32 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:54,400 But being able to hold a conversation with another human being face-to-face or on a phone, 33 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:55,400 I think is outdated. 34 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:56,400 Or lost. 35 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:57,400 It's lost. 36 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:58,400 It's lost art. 37 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:02,680 Because people like talking to people still. 38 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:03,680 Yeah, absolutely. 39 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,080 Yeah, for sure. 40 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:11,760 I think me with my medical problems, texting has become the less of a thing I do. 41 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:16,560 And I'm like, so I just started, but it kind of forced me. 42 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:18,520 I'm going to have to call people now. 43 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:19,520 And have conversations. 44 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,680 And I'll end up talking to somebody that I would have texted for five minutes for an 45 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:23,680 hour. 46 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,600 And I'm like, wow, I'm going to keep doing this. 47 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:28,600 It's a lost art. 48 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:33,080 I tell the guys at the office, I'm like, hey, most people in our industry are just texting 49 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:34,080 and emailing. 50 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:35,080 Yeah. 51 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:36,080 You know how many emails I get a day? 52 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:37,080 It's like a hundred and something emails. 53 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,200 You know how many I respond to? 54 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,800 Three or four if I find the ones I'm looking for. 55 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,200 But if someone calls me, I'm like, do I know this person? 56 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:47,120 I usually pick up and say either one, I'm not interested or two. 57 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,400 At least I can pick up a phone and have a conversation with somebody. 58 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:51,840 But it's a lost art. 59 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,120 I might be the worst taxer in the world. 60 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:55,120 That's good. 61 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:58,440 Cause I have like, I'm not even going to kid you. 62 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,280 I am probably the worst. 63 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:01,280 I have what? 64 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:05,560 1,215 taxes that I have not answered. 65 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:06,560 I'm just not that bad. 66 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:08,880 Like when it comes to texting, I'm like the worst. 67 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:10,360 Cause like my phone. 68 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:11,360 At least you know, right? 69 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:12,360 Yeah. 70 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:13,360 I'm usually the worst. 71 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:14,360 At least you know. 72 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:18,040 But the one thing you said one thing, I want you to expand on it a little bit. 73 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:19,760 You said be a little bit of a savage. 74 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:21,480 What do you mean by that? 75 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:26,360 When you know your passion and you're being obedient to what the Lord has for you, give 76 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:27,360 the effort. 77 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,120 Don't let it just slide and just be lackluster. 78 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:34,360 Too many people just think it's just easy and just a walk in the park and just do the 79 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:37,000 minimum to think they're successful. 80 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:41,360 Which means if you grind just a little bit, it would be a little bit of a savage. 81 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,840 Like, Hey, I'm going to own this and I'm taking it. 82 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:48,160 Point in case you go into your boss saying, Hey, I want to lead this department. 83 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:49,160 What happened? 84 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:53,160 And then you actually get into that role and you don't stop. 85 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:54,160 You keep going. 86 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:55,840 You go a little bit harder, right? 87 00:03:55,840 --> 00:04:00,480 You put your efforts into learning more about what it takes to be a leader in that position. 88 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,520 Not just, Hey, I know all the technical stuff I need to do. 89 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:08,600 Do I know the leadership part I need to do to even advance further to maximize all these 90 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:10,160 people around me? 91 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:13,160 Potential that's going to the next level. 92 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:17,760 And a lot of times when you do those types of things, financial gain comes with it. 93 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:18,760 Right? 94 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:20,160 I'm doing what I need to do. 95 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,360 Focusing the excitement wears off. 96 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,640 Where's the discipline that I keep going hard. 97 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:25,640 Right? 98 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,360 Because it's really easy just to shut down and like, I'm going to take the day off. 99 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:29,360 Yeah. 100 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:30,360 A lot of people do that. 101 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:32,600 I think it's, uh, we had this conversation. 102 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:37,400 We actually had a conversation during one of our small groups at IC and Inspire Collective 103 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,400 for those who don't know. 104 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:43,640 And yeah, we broke up into the men's small, into the men's small group. 105 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:47,240 And like, I was talking about, I was asking for prayer or whatever. 106 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:51,880 I forget what I was asking for, but it was, um, I was just mentioning, I was like, I want 107 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:56,520 to like be doing more at my distance before I was, I wanted to be doing more of my job 108 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:00,800 and I know I'm supposed to be a light, but how am I supposed to do that virtually to 109 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,400 people I only see once a year, baby? 110 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,880 And I'm like, so I'm like, I'm like, I was like, and I freaked out. 111 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,160 Somebody was like, well, it might've been Shawn. 112 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,760 Somebody might have said like, well, like it's hard. 113 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:12,760 It's going to be hard. 114 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:13,760 He's like, I forget. 115 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:15,760 I was like, well, yeah, but so what? 116 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,200 And I was like, I want to figure it out. 117 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:21,880 And that's like, I'm like, and like, um, not putting down Shawn at all. 118 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:26,920 I'm just talking about the conversation. 119 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:31,480 But um, and like, I see that happens to me a lot. 120 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:37,360 Like I'll have a thought and like, yeah, like that, that I don't, I don't subscribe to that. 121 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,360 It's like, I don't, I don't just give up. 122 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,240 And like, some days, some days, yeah, I do. 123 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,880 Some days it's just like, I turn, I have some days that feels, uh, feel like crap and I'm 124 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:47,680 like, yeah, I'm not going to, I'm not going to try anymore. 125 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:49,720 And then the next day I'm like, no, I'm not doing it. 126 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:56,120 And I keep pushing and like, I go back to my notes and like, um, the notes I wrote down 127 00:05:56,120 --> 00:06:00,960 a book by John Maxwell and it was like, I was going through the practices and it was, 128 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:04,640 I can't remember the exact practice, but it was, I essentially wrote some notes down about 129 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:08,600 the things I wanted you to keep doing and like that were benefiting me and growing me. 130 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:10,280 And I forgot what I, I forgot about it. 131 00:06:10,280 --> 00:06:15,240 I left in a notebook and then I read it back a few months later and like, one of the things 132 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:19,760 was like, like keeping contact with Pat, like hang out with Pat Moore, hang out with Pastor 133 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:23,080 Ed Moore and there was a few more things on there. 134 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,600 I was like, wow, I've literally kept doing every single one of these things. 135 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:29,120 And it's because they were so like ingrained in me at that time for me to write them down. 136 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:30,120 They meant something. 137 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:35,240 And, um, and like, uh, I don't know, like there's, I'm jumping around a little bit, 138 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:40,240 but my boss, going back to my boss, he mentioned another thing that I would think was really 139 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:45,040 cool because I was telling him, like, I was getting really discouraged because this was 140 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:51,960 us recently, I think really discouraged because it took me a really long time for, in my opinion, 141 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:56,720 to figure out, um, was one problem that I was trying to fix. 142 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,880 And I told him that I was like, yeah, this week was kind of eh for me. 143 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:04,400 And it was, and he goes, Thomas, like, I can see your work getting better. 144 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:09,520 Like he sees all my work and he goes, I can see your code getting better and that your 145 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:13,680 performance is better and like, and that your knowledge is growing. 146 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:18,400 And he goes, there's a, I can't remember what the name of this principle is, but there's 147 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:23,120 this principle of like, the more you know, the more you know, the more, the less you 148 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,640 feel like you actually know because the more you realize that the more, because like you're 149 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:30,120 realizing like whenever you, whenever you're like, you don't know what you don't know when 150 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:33,360 you're back and you're just kind of going with the flow. 151 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:37,600 And then whenever you, whenever you open up your mind and you, you kind of dive in and 152 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:45,080 you dive in to that personal, either whatever area you're growing in and you're expanding 153 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:49,040 your knowledge, you're under, you're realizing, wow, there's a lot that I don't know. 154 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,880 Like you were saying earlier, it's like, I keep finding a mentor because there's always 155 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:54,840 somebody out there that's going to know more than you. 156 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:56,200 You're never going to stop learning. 157 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:57,200 Right. 158 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:58,920 And when you stop learning, that means you're complacent. 159 00:07:58,920 --> 00:07:59,920 Yeah. 160 00:07:59,920 --> 00:08:00,920 Right. 161 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:01,920 And complacency kills. 162 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:02,920 Amen. 163 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:03,920 Consistency builds. 164 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:04,920 Consistency builds. 165 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:06,640 And correlate to what you just said to the Bible. 166 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:07,640 Right. 167 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:08,640 Yeah. 168 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:13,760 The deeper you get into the Bible, into the Word, the stronger your faith becomes in Christ, 169 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,440 the easier it is to see sin on yourself. 170 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:17,440 Yeah. 171 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:18,720 And to feel down. 172 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,760 Not that the sins are better than what they were before, but they're more visible because 173 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:26,040 you're closer to God than you've ever been before. 174 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:27,040 Yeah. 175 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:28,040 Right. 176 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,200 So you start working even harder to eliminate those things. 177 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:35,080 Just like in work, you work, you may not think you're a certain spot, but other people see 178 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:36,080 it in you. 179 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:37,080 Right. 180 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:38,080 Right. 181 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:42,000 Because Thomas has a good job of being in his own head. 182 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:43,000 So do a lot of us. 183 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:44,000 Right. 184 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,000 We're always in our own head and we always have a thought process. 185 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,160 It's like, man, what could I do different? 186 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:50,160 Just do it. 187 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:51,160 Right. 188 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:52,160 Just do it. 189 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:53,160 Yeah. 190 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,800 Get to your mentors, talk about it like you have been. 191 00:08:55,800 --> 00:09:00,040 Figure out the situation of the direction you want to go, what you're supposed to go. 192 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:01,040 Work at it. 193 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:04,040 And when I say be a savage, I'm not talking MMA or WWE style. 194 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,360 I'm talking mental grind. 195 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:07,360 Yeah. 196 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:08,360 Right. 197 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:13,520 Put your effort and your time, allocate your time in a positive manner. 198 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,880 Don't waste time and pursue what you want to do. 199 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:18,520 That's being a savage in my eyes. 200 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:19,520 Right. 201 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:20,520 Good. 202 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:22,720 It's not going to the gym and benching 400 pounds. 203 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:23,720 Right. 204 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:24,720 It's not beating someone up. 205 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:26,240 It's not physically abusing someone. 206 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,880 It's putting it for the better good and grinding. 207 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:29,880 Yeah. 208 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:31,920 For the betterment of yourself and others. 209 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:32,920 That's really good. 210 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:40,920 Pat, since you are such an excellent husband for. 211 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:41,920 That's what you see. 212 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:45,260 You think Kate's not here. 213 00:09:45,260 --> 00:09:46,260 Your wife would say that. 214 00:09:46,260 --> 00:09:48,400 She loves you. 215 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:53,760 For the single guys like me and Thomas who are going to one day find that beautiful wife. 216 00:09:53,760 --> 00:10:01,760 And how would you say for single guys to be prepared to bring excellence to the marriage? 217 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:02,760 Put God first. 218 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:03,760 That's easy. 219 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,600 And have someone that's equally yoked in that manner. 220 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:07,600 Yeah. 221 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:08,600 Right. 222 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,160 Because if you're in two different playing fields and one of you is all about God and 223 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:12,160 one of you is not. 224 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:13,160 Yeah. 225 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:14,160 It's going to be very tough. 226 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:15,160 But if you put God first in your relationship. 227 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:16,160 Right. 228 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,600 And so something we talk about all the time as well. 229 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,320 Put God first in the relationship. 230 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,120 It'll bring you and your spouse closer together. 231 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:24,120 Right. 232 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,080 Because again, two imperfect people, they're not the same. 233 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:28,080 Yeah. 234 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:29,680 You're going to have situations that are going to come up. 235 00:10:29,680 --> 00:10:36,240 But if you have a relation based off of God's works, it'll be just fine. 236 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:37,240 Right. 237 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:38,240 But you have to be in tune with that. 238 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:39,240 You have to understand. 239 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:40,240 You have to be understanding. 240 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:41,240 You have to be patient. 241 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:42,760 These are all things I had to learn. 242 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:43,760 I'm still learning. 243 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:44,760 Trust me. 244 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:48,640 Because again, I can be bullheaded and I'm very direct. 245 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:49,640 Yeah. 246 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:51,320 Like I'm a solution person. 247 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:53,600 My wife doesn't always want a solution person. 248 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:54,600 Yeah. 249 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,600 Sometimes I have to ask her, are we looking for a solution or are we just looking for a 250 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:58,600 listener? 251 00:10:58,600 --> 00:10:59,600 Yeah. 252 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:00,600 I have to ask that question sometimes. 253 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:01,600 That's why. 254 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:02,600 Because think about it. 255 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:06,080 I've owned a business for over 15 years, different businesses and people come into my office 256 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:07,080 nonstop. 257 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:10,680 I just want to give them a solution so that I can keep doing what I'm doing and they can 258 00:11:10,680 --> 00:11:12,680 do what they need to do. 259 00:11:12,680 --> 00:11:15,720 She just wants someone to listen, not totally need a solution. 260 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,480 When she said it before, hey, look, I'm not one of your workers. 261 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:20,480 I'm like, yeah, but I'm good at giving solutions. 262 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:21,480 That's what I do. 263 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:22,480 Problem solver. 264 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:23,480 Right. 265 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,480 And that's what I've had to be growing up. 266 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:28,480 And that's what I turned into as an owner. 267 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:32,800 It's something you deal with, but it's just there's always rough spots in the relationships 268 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:34,240 and any relationship, right? 269 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:38,640 You have, but with Christ at the center and understanding that we are had the same goal 270 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:42,840 in mind and same goal in mind with our family and it all works out. 271 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:44,960 But just one, be who you are. 272 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:45,960 Yeah. 273 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:46,960 Right. 274 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:47,960 All the time. 275 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,360 Don't try to be someone on a Sunday and someone else on Monday. 276 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:51,360 Yeah. 277 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:53,880 You know, it's every day of the week, night or day. 278 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:55,360 This is the Pat Williams you're getting. 279 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:56,360 Right. 280 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,200 And some people like it and some people don't like it. 281 00:11:58,200 --> 00:11:59,200 That's okay. 282 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,160 It's not for everybody, but at least I know I am who I am. 283 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:05,600 And it took me a while to feel comfortable in that skin. 284 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:06,680 Right. 285 00:12:06,680 --> 00:12:08,620 So just be who you are. 286 00:12:08,620 --> 00:12:09,620 Some people are going to love it. 287 00:12:09,620 --> 00:12:10,620 Some people aren't. 288 00:12:10,620 --> 00:12:11,620 That's okay. 289 00:12:11,620 --> 00:12:12,620 You have to understand that's okay. 290 00:12:12,620 --> 00:12:13,620 Yeah. 291 00:12:13,620 --> 00:12:18,000 That's part of a lot of people like, man, I don't want to offend anybody. 292 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:19,000 I never want to offend anybody. 293 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:20,000 Right. 294 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:21,000 Right. 295 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:25,840 But I'm still not going to, there's times where I just be quiet and I just visually see 296 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,760 what's happening around me and I'm like, okay, I'm older now. 297 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:30,160 Do I want to insert myself here? 298 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:31,160 Yeah. 299 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:35,520 Like if I have a solution for something, I better be able to want to help with the solution. 300 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:37,880 I'm not going to say, hey, Thomas, go do this. 301 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:38,880 And then walk away. 302 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:39,880 Right. 303 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:40,880 Hey, you're building a house. 304 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:41,880 Great. 305 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:42,880 You should probably do it this way. 306 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:43,880 All right. 307 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:44,880 I'll see you next week. 308 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:45,880 See where you're at. 309 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:49,280 You know, I better be willing to assist and help build that house a little bit sturdier. 310 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:50,280 You know what I mean? 311 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:51,280 It's a metaphor. 312 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:52,280 Your house is you. 313 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:53,280 Yeah. 314 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:54,280 Okay. 315 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:57,280 I had to explain that for Shawn. 316 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:58,280 Yeah. 317 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:08,160 And I guess I should probably clarify what I said about like, what I say. 318 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:11,160 I forgot to try that. 319 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:12,160 Yeah. 320 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:13,160 No, you're good. 321 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:16,680 No, I want to clarify what I said about like not wanting to offend anybody. 322 00:13:16,680 --> 00:13:18,560 Like, of course you never want to offend people. 323 00:13:18,560 --> 00:13:19,560 No. 324 00:13:19,560 --> 00:13:20,560 But sometimes you have to. 325 00:13:20,560 --> 00:13:21,560 But no, no, no. 326 00:13:21,560 --> 00:13:22,560 No, no, no. 327 00:13:22,560 --> 00:13:24,560 I don't think it's offense. 328 00:13:24,560 --> 00:13:26,320 Again, it goes back to beginning discussion. 329 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:27,320 Right. 330 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:29,520 If you have a relationship with somebody and you have to have a conversation. 331 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:30,520 Yeah. 332 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:32,880 There's a way to talk to people and not be offensive. 333 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:33,880 Right. 334 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:34,880 Right. 335 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:35,880 And they have that hard conversation. 336 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:36,880 Yeah. 337 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:40,240 But if you don't have a relationship and you're hiding behind discussions, you know, leadership 338 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:41,600 is not just hard conversations. 339 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:42,600 Right. 340 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:43,600 Yeah. 341 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:45,400 It's the building and knowing the people you're working with. 342 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:46,400 True. 343 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:47,400 Right. 344 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:48,400 Or that you have relationships with. 345 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:50,360 And then having a conversation. 346 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:51,360 You might feel offended. 347 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:52,360 Yeah. 348 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:57,040 But if I offend anybody, like if I'm talking to Shawn about finances and I'm like, hey, 349 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,000 Shawn, buddy, what are you doing this month? 350 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:00,000 We've had three conversations. 351 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:01,000 Right. 352 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:02,000 Yeah. 353 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:03,800 You might feel bad about it, but I don't think you're going to feel offended. 354 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,000 You're like, man, I should probably check into that again. 355 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:07,000 Yeah. 356 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,680 But sometimes I feel like offense could be good because like if you think about it like 357 00:14:09,680 --> 00:14:17,360 this, where like hard conversations sometimes are needed because we're in a specific point 358 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:21,080 of view that like my view is right, blah, blah, blah, blah. 359 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:22,080 You know what I mean? 360 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:27,200 Like there's times, Pat, where you offended me, but it was a good offense. 361 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:32,520 Just like the Bible where Jesus talks about like bringing a sword into the house of like 362 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:36,960 the brother and sister and a wife and a husband and all that. 363 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:41,960 What he's saying is sometimes we have to like correct our view and the only time sometimes 364 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:47,360 is to cut, cut the hard stereo, that hard wall that we built that was not correctly 365 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:51,320 built that we needs to be cut down so we can learn. 366 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:59,040 Like if I honestly was like, oh man, Pat, I know your heart and this might offend me, 367 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,800 but it was good because now the sea could be planted. 368 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:02,800 You know what I mean? 369 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:08,160 Before, when you said something that was very important that I should have listened to, 370 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:09,920 it would just go out the other way. 371 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:16,200 But when I let it offend me, I'm like, I start to see like, okay, what is wrong with me in 372 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:22,320 my mind that needs to be fixed so I can start using this process to be a better person. 373 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:24,920 It sounds like you're talking more about conviction. 374 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:25,920 Yeah. 375 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:26,920 Yeah. 376 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:27,920 So, but like it started with a fence. 377 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:28,920 That's what I'm saying. 378 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:32,920 Cause you had to realize like, oh man, this is not my point of view. 379 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:33,920 You know what I mean? 380 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:37,920 And like you're, when somebody says something that's not your point of view, you immediately 381 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:38,920 get offended. 382 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:40,880 Like that's just how we are as human beings. 383 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:43,120 We're just like, how dare you say this? 384 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:47,680 And then realize like later as you see it's like, holy crap is right. 385 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:49,680 You know what I mean? 386 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:56,280 And it's like, I think it takes that time of being offended, healing, then realizing 387 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,720 like, oh man, this was really good and I should have listened. 388 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,720 You know what I mean? 389 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:03,720 Yeah. 390 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:08,000 I mean, the owner I get, I don't get offended, but I also have the people around me that 391 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,360 I know that if they say, Hey Pat, you need to check yourself. 392 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,560 And this is what I'm thinking or feeling. 393 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:14,560 I take it to heart. 394 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:15,720 I don't get offended about it. 395 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:18,240 I'm like, okay, I better check this. 396 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:22,280 Maybe I need to change my way of thinking or how I'm acting in a certain manner. 397 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:23,280 Right. 398 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:25,240 But there's certain people that will come up and say to me, I'm like, yeah, you better 399 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,120 check yourself right now, dude. 400 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,120 You know, you don't know me. 401 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,520 You never had a conversation with me. 402 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:36,880 So, you know, cause I have a lot of people tell me like you have an ego, which I say 403 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:37,880 I do. 404 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,280 I'm confident in what I do. 405 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:41,280 I have to. 406 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:42,280 I have a business. 407 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:43,280 I have to. 408 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:44,280 I have a family. 409 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:47,000 It's like when it gets to the arrogance part, then you better check me. 410 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:48,000 Right. 411 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,120 Cause there's a big difference between ego and arrogance. 412 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,080 If you don't have an ego, it's going to be tough to step into certain situations and 413 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:54,080 lead. 414 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:58,840 If you get arrogant about it, you know, a lot of people do and it's usually they're 415 00:16:58,840 --> 00:16:59,840 not leaders. 416 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:00,840 They act as leaders. 417 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:01,840 They're not leaders. 418 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:02,840 There's a self agenda again. 419 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:03,840 Right. 420 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,840 And that's where the arrogance sets in and you're like, Oh, I'd like to knock that guy 421 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:07,840 out. 422 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:08,840 You know what I mean? 423 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:09,840 Yeah. 424 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,440 Like conversation knockout type of way. 425 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:13,440 Okay. 426 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:15,440 We should probably sit down and have a conversation. 427 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:16,440 Yeah. 428 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:17,440 But you don't have an ego. 429 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:18,440 You have a godly confidence. 430 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:21,440 So like, no, I'm okay with having an ego. 431 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:22,440 Ego is not a bad thing. 432 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:23,440 No, I don't think an ego is a bad thing. 433 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:24,440 Ego is not a bad thing. 434 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,440 You have an ego when it comes to greeting people at the door. 435 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:28,440 Yeah. 436 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:29,440 It's confidence. 437 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,440 It's confidence in what you, your abilities are and what you're meant to do. 438 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:33,440 Yeah. 439 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:34,440 Well, I'm not ego arrogance. 440 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:35,440 You don't have the arrogance. 441 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,440 If you had an area, it's like, man, I say hi to everybody. 442 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:39,440 Let's go. 443 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:43,440 Look at Shawn's show, you know, it's not Shawn, Shawn short show. 444 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:45,440 That could be on the spinoff podcast. 445 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:47,440 Welcome to the Shawn short show. 446 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:48,440 That's so good. 447 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:49,440 I love it. 448 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:50,440 The part shorts. 449 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:51,440 The part shorts. 450 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:52,440 There you go. 451 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:53,440 All right. 452 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:54,440 I think it, uh, right. 453 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:59,440 I point to wrap, wrap up the conversation a little bit. 454 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:04,440 Um, and so a couple of questions, a couple of questions to wrap, to wrap it up based 455 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:11,440 off of our conversation and we'll keep this one a little brief, but, um, if yeah, we'll 456 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:15,440 see where it goes, but based off our conversation, uh, what's some final advice you'd like to 457 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:16,440 give to the listeners? 458 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:19,440 Who final advice one stay true to who you are. 459 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:20,440 Right. 460 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:21,440 I think we touched on it. 461 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:22,440 Integrity is everything. 462 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:23,440 Yeah. 463 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:26,440 Um, you're going to be put in tough situations, stay who you are. 464 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:27,440 Right. 465 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,440 Follow the Lord and everything you do when he's at the forefront. 466 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:32,440 Success is just a matter of time. 467 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:36,440 You know, um, be obedient to that. 468 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:37,440 Yeah. 469 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:38,440 Um, work hard. 470 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:39,440 Don't hardly work. 471 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:40,440 Yeah. 472 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:44,040 You know, uh, even people that say, oh, I don't work much, not working much to them might 473 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:45,040 be 60 hours. 474 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:46,040 Right. 475 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:47,040 It's snowing, snowing people, right? 476 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:48,040 Yeah. 477 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:49,040 Like me. 478 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:50,040 I'm like, oh yeah, I'm hardly working. 479 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,040 Kate's like, oh, you're in the office three, four days a week. 480 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:53,040 I'm like, yeah, it's hardly working. 481 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:54,040 What's seven? 482 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:55,040 Right. 483 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:56,040 You know, so it's hardly working. 484 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:57,040 So, you know, work hard. 485 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:58,040 Um, be true to yourself. 486 00:18:58,040 --> 00:18:59,040 Love people. 487 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:00,040 Mm. 488 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:01,040 See the best of people. 489 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:04,040 Um, and just be happy. 490 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:05,040 Yeah. 491 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:07,600 There's so much to be appreciative for. 492 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:12,280 We go over wins every week in our group and there's so many little things that happen 493 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:13,280 throughout the week that are big. 494 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:14,280 Yeah. 495 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:15,280 And people are like, oh, I don't have any wins this week. 496 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:16,280 I'm like, oh man, I can make seven today. 497 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:17,280 You know, I can go on for like this. 498 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:18,280 I can go off for a half hour and just talk about wins. 499 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:19,280 Yeah. 500 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:20,280 The last 24 hours. 501 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:21,280 Yeah. 502 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:22,280 You know, from the time I woke up seeing my granddaughter smile, my daughter smile, my 503 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:23,280 wife going to Pilates and then going to help with Heidi's thing. 504 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:24,280 Yeah. 505 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:25,280 And I'm like, oh, I'm going to go on for like a week. 506 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:26,280 I'm going to go on for like a week. 507 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:31,280 I'm going to go on for like a week, you know, little things like that. 508 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:36,280 It's like, you know, my dog's licking me all over the face saying, Hey dad, wake up. 509 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:37,280 You know, little things like that. 510 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:38,280 Those are all wins to me. 511 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:39,280 Yeah. 512 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,280 Because we take things like that for granted. 513 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:42,280 Yeah. 514 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:43,280 I woke up. 515 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:44,280 Yeah. 516 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:45,280 No. 517 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:49,800 Be appreciative of all those things, but yeah, just appreciate the life that you have, the 518 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:50,800 life that's about to happen. 519 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:51,800 And, uh, nothing happens by accident. 520 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:52,800 I think that's like a very good practice to keep too is practice with your family. 521 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:53,800 Yeah. 522 00:19:53,800 --> 00:20:03,160 So other people use a gratitude journal or whether you, I do my prayers at night. 523 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:09,960 I start with, um, thanking God for the day, for how my work went, for like everything 524 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:15,160 that I kind of, every now and then I'll step through different parts of the day and thank 525 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:16,160 him for different things. 526 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:17,960 Thank him for people that were in my life. 527 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:19,760 And this time I got to spend with them. 528 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:24,640 So it's definitely something to, and as you practice gratitude, it will permeate other 529 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,840 areas of your life. 530 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:31,960 And then moving on to the next one, you mentioned a little bit before, uh, when it comes to 531 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:36,040 personal growth, what are, and like excellence, what are the top resources that you tend to 532 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:37,040 recommend to people? 533 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:38,800 I always go to books, right? 534 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:39,800 Yeah. 535 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:41,800 One, obviously mentors, get mentors. 536 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:46,120 And if it's specific field that you need help in, find that person. 537 00:20:46,120 --> 00:20:51,200 I know for a fact that our church community is huge and there's several mentors in different 538 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:56,400 aspects of life that can be of assistance and are willing to be of assistance. 539 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:57,400 Yeah. 540 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:01,920 Um, that's one way, but, um, the books that I always tend to go to, um, and you just happen 541 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,520 to have one sitting here and I'm like, man, I've read this book like seven times already. 542 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,920 And I, like, if I could read it once a year, I would, I should, right? 543 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,520 Think and grow rich from Napoleon Hill. 544 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,600 It's an iconic book. 545 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:17,760 You can find it on Amazon pretty cheap, 15 bucks for a soft copy. 546 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:18,760 Yep. 547 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:20,040 So that's, that's number one. 548 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:21,680 That's the number one to go to. 549 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:22,680 Right. 550 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:23,680 Thank you. 551 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,600 Um, secondly, rich dad, poor dad, Robert Kiyosaki. 552 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:31,920 Um, again, he's a, uh, heavy hitter, pretty direct with finances. 553 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:37,880 Um, these, those are both, um, one's a finance, one's a combo finance, personal growth. 554 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:38,880 Yeah. 555 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,840 Um, and then anything from Dave Ramsey is a positive, but total moneymaker. 556 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:46,400 Uh, if you have a chance to look at that or read that, it's a great one, but those three 557 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:51,880 guys, and then there's one book for personal growth that is a Christian based book by Henry 558 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:53,360 cloud and John Townsend. 559 00:21:53,360 --> 00:21:56,320 It's how people grow and it correlates with the Bible. 560 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:57,320 Yeah. 561 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:01,200 So for the personal growth factor, it's one I steer towards, but, um, I listened to a 562 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:02,200 ton of different podcasts. 563 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:03,200 Yeah. 564 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,040 I want to drive in and never listened to the radio. 565 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:09,560 It's either I'm always on Spotify listening to a podcast, whether it's yours or someone 566 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:13,600 else's it's Dave Ramsey, if it's Joe Rogan, it's all different areas. 567 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:14,600 There's no specific. 568 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:15,600 Okay. 569 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,920 Um, it might be T D Jakes, right? 570 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:19,920 Which I love listening to. 571 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:24,880 Um, Tim Tebow, you know, there's a bunch of different ones, but it's just feeding your 572 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,240 mind with positive energy and information. 573 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:32,560 But those are the books I go to, but you know, find something on a podcast that correlates 574 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:36,640 with your mind that you're able to learn from and don't stop learning. 575 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:37,640 Yeah. 576 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:38,640 So far. 577 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:44,160 I mean, like definitely, like I heard about, you know, Richard Poor Dad and Total Money 578 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,400 Maker, but I haven't heard of people, people grow. 579 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:47,400 I'm going to wait. 580 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,200 We're going to look to all these things in the show notes. 581 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:55,280 And so you guys like most likely are all going to be Amazon links and I'm going to have to 582 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:59,760 put the couple that I don't have yet into my Amazon cart, but, uh, title of books. 583 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:00,760 Yeah. 584 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,920 The one checklist item, a bucket list that I haven't done yet that I need to get to, 585 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:08,200 and I'm going to find some people to do it is a John Maxwell, uh, conference. 586 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:09,200 Yeah. 587 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:10,200 Oh, that'd be dope. 588 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:14,240 At the church, we used to have a, I think it was a Maxwell, but, um, it was a two day 589 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,720 event where they streamed it live from Chicago. 590 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:18,720 It was two days. 591 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,200 You paid like, I don't know, 50 bucks. 592 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:21,200 Yeah. 593 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:22,480 Thursday and Friday, you spent all day there. 594 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:23,480 All these major speakers. 595 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:24,480 Wow. 596 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:25,480 Yeah. 597 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:26,480 Beyond. 598 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,760 Um, I don't know why we did away with that, but I don't know if it was a group, maybe 599 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:33,600 COVID hit or something, but, um, actually going physically to a John Maxwell conference. 600 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:34,600 Yeah. 601 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:35,600 That's somebody really cool. 602 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,960 John Maxwell, his podcast is great, he has people running that. 603 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:39,960 Yeah. 604 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:44,640 But, um, that's always a great leadership wanting to do as well. 605 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:45,640 That is great. 606 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:46,640 He's a wonderful leader. 607 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:47,640 Absolutely. 608 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:48,640 Yeah. 609 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:49,640 A lot to learn right there. 610 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:50,640 For sure. 611 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,640 Um, we have one final question I was going to say. 612 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:54,640 Yeah. 613 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,840 Uh, Pat, who would you like to have on the next episode of podcasts? 614 00:23:57,840 --> 00:23:58,840 Oh, yours. 615 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:00,840 Didn't even think about that. 616 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:01,840 Geez. 617 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,200 Um, I don't want to say Keith, cause I like to throw him under the bus and say, Hey, let's 618 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:06,200 hear your story. 619 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:07,200 He's got some great stories. 620 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:12,200 I don't know how much he, he's always a good person that you can learn a lot from as a 621 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:13,200 mentor. 622 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:20,240 Um, another modest guy that, uh, as a friend of mine that does a lot within the church 623 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,520 that no one even knows about Jim Mellie. 624 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:23,520 Okay. 625 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:24,520 He's, he's an entrepreneur. 626 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:30,960 Him and his wife are huge in our church as far as, um, the way they give themselves. 627 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:31,960 Yeah. 628 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:37,640 Um, he owns a ton of real estate properties and as super modest guy, um, very knowledgeable 629 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:38,640 about marriage. 630 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:39,640 Okay. 631 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,640 Has grown children as well, grandkids. 632 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:46,280 Um, but talk about a nice, a person that can be a major mentor to people and it is full 633 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:47,280 of information. 634 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:48,280 Yeah. 635 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:49,280 Yeah. 636 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:50,280 Jim. 637 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:51,280 How do you spell his last name? 638 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:52,280 M-E-L-I. 639 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:53,280 All right. 640 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:54,280 We will definitely reach out to him. 641 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:55,280 Shawn knows him. 642 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:56,280 Yeah. 643 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:57,280 I know him too. 644 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:58,280 I've definitely met him. 645 00:24:58,280 --> 00:24:59,280 He's in the Monday group. 646 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:00,280 You met him. 647 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:01,280 Okay. 648 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:02,280 He's the son of the original six. 649 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:03,280 Gotcha. 650 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:04,280 And our group now we have like 28. 651 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:05,280 God's a growing. 652 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:06,280 God's growing. 653 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,280 Men, men in the ministry is growing. 654 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:10,280 So. 655 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:11,280 Good. 656 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:12,280 Okay. 657 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:13,280 Awesome. 658 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:14,280 Thank you. 659 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,280 Um, yeah, with all that, with all that, that wraps up this episode. 660 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:22,280 Um, we could sit and talk for another hour, but we'll let you guys go. 661 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:27,280 Uh, guys, thank you for listening to this, the whole episode of this podcast. 662 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,280 We love you guys. 663 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:33,280 Most likely this, uh, if we haven't, we intro to this part already, but this, we, uh, part 664 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:39,280 one and two and this, so thank you for listening to that, uh, the whole way through part two. 665 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:46,280 And guys, this, if you haven't already definitely, uh, like, it'd be great if you gave us a follow 666 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,280 and, uh, like we said in the beginning, uh, five star review. 667 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:54,280 Um, and if you really liked this episode, save it and don't, if you aren't listening 668 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:58,280 to it, once you didn't take notes, like I said before, listen to it again and take some 669 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,280 notes, uh, and then share it out on your social medias. 670 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,280 Just with this conversation, you reach more people and affect more lives. 671 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,280 All right, guys, we'll see you later. 672 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:07,280 See you later guys. 673 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:35,280 Have a great day.