Alright guys, welcome to part 7.2 in the perfectly imperfect series with Patrick Williams.
We talk about subjects like the potential pitfalls of relying on social media for success
and the importance of face-to-face communication.
Pat emphasizes the need for passion, effort, and being a savage in pursuing one's goals.
We also delve into relationships with advice on being true to oneself, finding mentors,
and having a relationship centered around shared values.
Guys, this again is part 2.
If you haven't already listened to part 1, go back and listen to part 1.
And I said it before and I'll say it again.
Take some notes.
Even now it's easier to think that overnight success is possible with social media and
Instagram and TikTok and all these different avenues to make a quick buck.
But one click of a button, all that social media could be gone.
Overseas it's regulated.
Gaming is regulated.
That's crazy.
In China.
You're allowed two hours a day or something like that.
Kids are allowed to play online.
They can do that.
So if you're a Twitch player and you're making all this money, they could definitely be done.
So what's your ability to make income then?
What are you doing?
The thing that if I had one thing to say to the newest generation, be a little bit of
a savage and you'll be very successful.
Just a little bit.
And know how to talk to people.
Not text, not email.
There's a place for all of it.
DMs on IG and all that stuff.
There's a place for all of it.
But being able to hold a conversation with another human being face-to-face or on a phone,
I think is outdated.
Or lost.
It's lost.
It's lost art.
Because people like talking to people still.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, for sure.
I think me with my medical problems, texting has become the less of a thing I do.
And I'm like, so I just started, but it kind of forced me.
I'm going to have to call people now.
And have conversations.
And I'll end up talking to somebody that I would have texted for five minutes for an
hour.
And I'm like, wow, I'm going to keep doing this.
It's a lost art.
I tell the guys at the office, I'm like, hey, most people in our industry are just texting
and emailing.
Yeah.
You know how many emails I get a day?
It's like a hundred and something emails.
You know how many I respond to?
Three or four if I find the ones I'm looking for.
But if someone calls me, I'm like, do I know this person?
I usually pick up and say either one, I'm not interested or two.
At least I can pick up a phone and have a conversation with somebody.
But it's a lost art.
I might be the worst taxer in the world.
That's good.
Cause I have like, I'm not even going to kid you.
I am probably the worst.
I have what?
1,215 taxes that I have not answered.
I'm just not that bad.
Like when it comes to texting, I'm like the worst.
Cause like my phone.
At least you know, right?
Yeah.
I'm usually the worst.
At least you know.
But the one thing you said one thing, I want you to expand on it a little bit.
You said be a little bit of a savage.
What do you mean by that?
When you know your passion and you're being obedient to what the Lord has for you, give
the effort.
Don't let it just slide and just be lackluster.
Too many people just think it's just easy and just a walk in the park and just do the
minimum to think they're successful.
Which means if you grind just a little bit, it would be a little bit of a savage.
Like, Hey, I'm going to own this and I'm taking it.
Point in case you go into your boss saying, Hey, I want to lead this department.
What happened?
And then you actually get into that role and you don't stop.
You keep going.
You go a little bit harder, right?
You put your efforts into learning more about what it takes to be a leader in that position.
Not just, Hey, I know all the technical stuff I need to do.
Do I know the leadership part I need to do to even advance further to maximize all these
people around me?
Potential that's going to the next level.
And a lot of times when you do those types of things, financial gain comes with it.
Right?
I'm doing what I need to do.
Focusing the excitement wears off.
Where's the discipline that I keep going hard.
Right?
Because it's really easy just to shut down and like, I'm going to take the day off.
Yeah.
A lot of people do that.
I think it's, uh, we had this conversation.
We actually had a conversation during one of our small groups at IC and Inspire Collective
for those who don't know.
And yeah, we broke up into the men's small, into the men's small group.
And like, I was talking about, I was asking for prayer or whatever.
I forget what I was asking for, but it was, um, I was just mentioning, I was like, I want
to like be doing more at my distance before I was, I wanted to be doing more of my job
and I know I'm supposed to be a light, but how am I supposed to do that virtually to
people I only see once a year, baby?
And I'm like, so I'm like, I'm like, I was like, and I freaked out.
Somebody was like, well, it might've been Shawn.
Somebody might have said like, well, like it's hard.
It's going to be hard.
He's like, I forget.
I was like, well, yeah, but so what?
And I was like, I want to figure it out.
And that's like, I'm like, and like, um, not putting down Shawn at all.
I'm just talking about the conversation.
But um, and like, I see that happens to me a lot.
Like I'll have a thought and like, yeah, like that, that I don't, I don't subscribe to that.
It's like, I don't, I don't just give up.
And like, some days, some days, yeah, I do.
Some days it's just like, I turn, I have some days that feels, uh, feel like crap and I'm
like, yeah, I'm not going to, I'm not going to try anymore.
And then the next day I'm like, no, I'm not doing it.
And I keep pushing and like, I go back to my notes and like, um, the notes I wrote down
a book by John Maxwell and it was like, I was going through the practices and it was,
I can't remember the exact practice, but it was, I essentially wrote some notes down about
the things I wanted you to keep doing and like that were benefiting me and growing me.
And I forgot what I, I forgot about it.
I left in a notebook and then I read it back a few months later and like, one of the things
was like, like keeping contact with Pat, like hang out with Pat Moore, hang out with Pastor
Ed Moore and there was a few more things on there.
I was like, wow, I've literally kept doing every single one of these things.
And it's because they were so like ingrained in me at that time for me to write them down.
They meant something.
And, um, and like, uh, I don't know, like there's, I'm jumping around a little bit,
but my boss, going back to my boss, he mentioned another thing that I would think was really
cool because I was telling him, like, I was getting really discouraged because this was
us recently, I think really discouraged because it took me a really long time for, in my opinion,
to figure out, um, was one problem that I was trying to fix.
And I told him that I was like, yeah, this week was kind of eh for me.
And it was, and he goes, Thomas, like, I can see your work getting better.
Like he sees all my work and he goes, I can see your code getting better and that your
performance is better and like, and that your knowledge is growing.
And he goes, there's a, I can't remember what the name of this principle is, but there's
this principle of like, the more you know, the more you know, the more, the less you
feel like you actually know because the more you realize that the more, because like you're
realizing like whenever you, whenever you're like, you don't know what you don't know when
you're back and you're just kind of going with the flow.
And then whenever you, whenever you open up your mind and you, you kind of dive in and
you dive in to that personal, either whatever area you're growing in and you're expanding
your knowledge, you're under, you're realizing, wow, there's a lot that I don't know.
Like you were saying earlier, it's like, I keep finding a mentor because there's always
somebody out there that's going to know more than you.
You're never going to stop learning.
Right.
And when you stop learning, that means you're complacent.
Yeah.
Right.
And complacency kills.
Amen.
Consistency builds.
And correlate to what you just said to the Bible.
Right.
Yeah.
The deeper you get into the Bible, into the Word, the stronger your faith becomes in Christ,
the easier it is to see sin on yourself.
Yeah.
And to feel down.
Not that the sins are better than what they were before, but they're more visible because
you're closer to God than you've ever been before.
Yeah.
Right.
So you start working even harder to eliminate those things.
Just like in work, you work, you may not think you're a certain spot, but other people see
it in you.
Right.
Because Thomas has a good job of being in his own head.
So do a lot of us.
Right.
We're always in our own head and we always have a thought process.
It's like, man, what could I do different?
Just do it.
Right.
Just do it.
Yeah.
Get to your mentors, talk about it like you have been.
Figure out the situation of the direction you want to go, what you're supposed to go.
Work at it.
And when I say be a savage, I'm not talking MMA or WWE style.
I'm talking mental grind.
Yeah.
Right.
Put your effort and your time, allocate your time in a positive manner.
Don't waste time and pursue what you want to do.
That's being a savage in my eyes.
Right.
Good.
It's not going to the gym and benching 400 pounds.
Right.
It's not beating someone up.
It's not physically abusing someone.
It's putting it for the better good and grinding.
Yeah.
For the betterment of yourself and others.
That's really good.
Pat, since you are such an excellent husband for.
That's what you see.
You think Kate's not here.
Your wife would say that.
She loves you.
For the single guys like me and Thomas who are going to one day find that beautiful wife.
And how would you say for single guys to be prepared to bring excellence to the marriage?
Put God first.
That's easy.
And have someone that's equally yoked in that manner.
Yeah.
Right.
Because if you're in two different playing fields and one of you is all about God and
one of you is not.
Yeah.
It's going to be very tough.
But if you put God first in your relationship.
Right.
And so something we talk about all the time as well.
Put God first in the relationship.
It'll bring you and your spouse closer together.
Right.
Because again, two imperfect people, they're not the same.
Yeah.
You're going to have situations that are going to come up.
But if you have a relation based off of God's works, it'll be just fine.
Right.
But you have to be in tune with that.
You have to understand.
You have to be understanding.
You have to be patient.
These are all things I had to learn.
I'm still learning.
Trust me.
Because again, I can be bullheaded and I'm very direct.
Yeah.
Like I'm a solution person.
My wife doesn't always want a solution person.
Yeah.
Sometimes I have to ask her, are we looking for a solution or are we just looking for a
listener?
Yeah.
I have to ask that question sometimes.
That's why.
Because think about it.
I've owned a business for over 15 years, different businesses and people come into my office
nonstop.
I just want to give them a solution so that I can keep doing what I'm doing and they can
do what they need to do.
She just wants someone to listen, not totally need a solution.
When she said it before, hey, look, I'm not one of your workers.
I'm like, yeah, but I'm good at giving solutions.
That's what I do.
Problem solver.
Right.
And that's what I've had to be growing up.
And that's what I turned into as an owner.
It's something you deal with, but it's just there's always rough spots in the relationships
and any relationship, right?
You have, but with Christ at the center and understanding that we are had the same goal
in mind and same goal in mind with our family and it all works out.
But just one, be who you are.
Yeah.
Right.
All the time.
Don't try to be someone on a Sunday and someone else on Monday.
Yeah.
You know, it's every day of the week, night or day.
This is the Pat Williams you're getting.
Right.
And some people like it and some people don't like it.
That's okay.
It's not for everybody, but at least I know I am who I am.
And it took me a while to feel comfortable in that skin.
Right.
So just be who you are.
Some people are going to love it.
Some people aren't.
That's okay.
You have to understand that's okay.
Yeah.
That's part of a lot of people like, man, I don't want to offend anybody.
I never want to offend anybody.
Right.
But I'm still not going to, there's times where I just be quiet and I just visually see
what's happening around me and I'm like, okay, I'm older now.
Do I want to insert myself here?
Yeah.
Like if I have a solution for something, I better be able to want to help with the solution.
I'm not going to say, hey, Thomas, go do this.
And then walk away.
Right.
Hey, you're building a house.
Great.
You should probably do it this way.
All right.
I'll see you next week.
See where you're at.
You know, I better be willing to assist and help build that house a little bit sturdier.
You know what I mean?
It's a metaphor.
Your house is you.
Yeah.
Okay.
I had to explain that for Shawn.
Yeah.
And I guess I should probably clarify what I said about like, what I say.
I forgot to try that.
Yeah.
No, you're good.
No, I want to clarify what I said about like not wanting to offend anybody.
Like, of course you never want to offend people.
No.
But sometimes you have to.
But no, no, no.
No, no, no.
I don't think it's offense.
Again, it goes back to beginning discussion.
Right.
If you have a relationship with somebody and you have to have a conversation.
Yeah.
There's a way to talk to people and not be offensive.
Right.
And they have that hard conversation.
Yeah.
But if you don't have a relationship and you're hiding behind discussions, you know, leadership
is not just hard conversations.
Right.
Yeah.
It's the building and knowing the people you're working with.
True.
Right.
Or that you have relationships with.
And then having a conversation.
You might feel offended.
Yeah.
But if I offend anybody, like if I'm talking to Shawn about finances and I'm like, hey,
Shawn, buddy, what are you doing this month?
We've had three conversations.
Right.
Yeah.
You might feel bad about it, but I don't think you're going to feel offended.
You're like, man, I should probably check into that again.
Yeah.
But sometimes I feel like offense could be good because like if you think about it like
this, where like hard conversations sometimes are needed because we're in a specific point
of view that like my view is right, blah, blah, blah, blah.
You know what I mean?
Like there's times, Pat, where you offended me, but it was a good offense.
Just like the Bible where Jesus talks about like bringing a sword into the house of like
the brother and sister and a wife and a husband and all that.
What he's saying is sometimes we have to like correct our view and the only time sometimes
is to cut, cut the hard stereo, that hard wall that we built that was not correctly
built that we needs to be cut down so we can learn.
Like if I honestly was like, oh man, Pat, I know your heart and this might offend me,
but it was good because now the sea could be planted.
You know what I mean?
Before, when you said something that was very important that I should have listened to,
it would just go out the other way.
But when I let it offend me, I'm like, I start to see like, okay, what is wrong with me in
my mind that needs to be fixed so I can start using this process to be a better person.
It sounds like you're talking more about conviction.
Yeah.
So, but like it started with a fence.
That's what I'm saying.
Cause you had to realize like, oh man, this is not my point of view.
You know what I mean?
And like you're, when somebody says something that's not your point of view, you immediately
get offended.
Like that's just how we are as human beings.
We're just like, how dare you say this?
And then realize like later as you see it's like, holy crap is right.
You know what I mean?
And it's like, I think it takes that time of being offended, healing, then realizing
like, oh man, this was really good and I should have listened.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
I mean, the owner I get, I don't get offended, but I also have the people around me that
I know that if they say, Hey Pat, you need to check yourself.
And this is what I'm thinking or feeling.
I take it to heart.
I don't get offended about it.
I'm like, okay, I better check this.
Maybe I need to change my way of thinking or how I'm acting in a certain manner.
Right.
But there's certain people that will come up and say to me, I'm like, yeah, you better
check yourself right now, dude.
You know, you don't know me.
You never had a conversation with me.
So, you know, cause I have a lot of people tell me like you have an ego, which I say
I do.
I'm confident in what I do.
I have to.
I have a business.
I have to.
I have a family.
It's like when it gets to the arrogance part, then you better check me.
Right.
Cause there's a big difference between ego and arrogance.
If you don't have an ego, it's going to be tough to step into certain situations and
lead.
If you get arrogant about it, you know, a lot of people do and it's usually they're
not leaders.
They act as leaders.
They're not leaders.
There's a self agenda again.
Right.
And that's where the arrogance sets in and you're like, Oh, I'd like to knock that guy
out.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
Like conversation knockout type of way.
Okay.
We should probably sit down and have a conversation.
Yeah.
But you don't have an ego.
You have a godly confidence.
So like, no, I'm okay with having an ego.
Ego is not a bad thing.
No, I don't think an ego is a bad thing.
Ego is not a bad thing.
You have an ego when it comes to greeting people at the door.
Yeah.
It's confidence.
It's confidence in what you, your abilities are and what you're meant to do.
Yeah.
Well, I'm not ego arrogance.
You don't have the arrogance.
If you had an area, it's like, man, I say hi to everybody.
Let's go.
Look at Shawn's show, you know, it's not Shawn, Shawn short show.
That could be on the spinoff podcast.
Welcome to the Shawn short show.
That's so good.
I love it.
The part shorts.
There you go.
All right.
I think it, uh, right.
I point to wrap, wrap up the conversation a little bit.
Um, and so a couple of questions, a couple of questions to wrap, to wrap it up based
off of our conversation and we'll keep this one a little brief, but, um, if yeah, we'll
see where it goes, but based off our conversation, uh, what's some final advice you'd like to
give to the listeners?
Who final advice one stay true to who you are.
Right.
I think we touched on it.
Integrity is everything.
Yeah.
Um, you're going to be put in tough situations, stay who you are.
Right.
Follow the Lord and everything you do when he's at the forefront.
Success is just a matter of time.
You know, um, be obedient to that.
Yeah.
Um, work hard.
Don't hardly work.
Yeah.
You know, uh, even people that say, oh, I don't work much, not working much to them might
be 60 hours.
Right.
It's snowing, snowing people, right?
Yeah.
Like me.
I'm like, oh yeah, I'm hardly working.
Kate's like, oh, you're in the office three, four days a week.
I'm like, yeah, it's hardly working.
What's seven?
Right.
You know, so it's hardly working.
So, you know, work hard.
Um, be true to yourself.
Love people.
Mm.
See the best of people.
Um, and just be happy.
Yeah.
There's so much to be appreciative for.
We go over wins every week in our group and there's so many little things that happen
throughout the week that are big.
Yeah.
And people are like, oh, I don't have any wins this week.
I'm like, oh man, I can make seven today.
You know, I can go on for like this.
I can go off for a half hour and just talk about wins.
Yeah.
The last 24 hours.
Yeah.
You know, from the time I woke up seeing my granddaughter smile, my daughter smile, my
wife going to Pilates and then going to help with Heidi's thing.
Yeah.
And I'm like, oh, I'm going to go on for like a week.
I'm going to go on for like a week.
I'm going to go on for like a week, you know, little things like that.
It's like, you know, my dog's licking me all over the face saying, Hey dad, wake up.
You know, little things like that.
Those are all wins to me.
Yeah.
Because we take things like that for granted.
Yeah.
I woke up.
Yeah.
No.
Be appreciative of all those things, but yeah, just appreciate the life that you have, the
life that's about to happen.
And, uh, nothing happens by accident.
I think that's like a very good practice to keep too is practice with your family.
Yeah.
So other people use a gratitude journal or whether you, I do my prayers at night.
I start with, um, thanking God for the day, for how my work went, for like everything
that I kind of, every now and then I'll step through different parts of the day and thank
him for different things.
Thank him for people that were in my life.
And this time I got to spend with them.
So it's definitely something to, and as you practice gratitude, it will permeate other
areas of your life.
And then moving on to the next one, you mentioned a little bit before, uh, when it comes to
personal growth, what are, and like excellence, what are the top resources that you tend to
recommend to people?
I always go to books, right?
Yeah.
One, obviously mentors, get mentors.
And if it's specific field that you need help in, find that person.
I know for a fact that our church community is huge and there's several mentors in different
aspects of life that can be of assistance and are willing to be of assistance.
Yeah.
Um, that's one way, but, um, the books that I always tend to go to, um, and you just happen
to have one sitting here and I'm like, man, I've read this book like seven times already.
And I, like, if I could read it once a year, I would, I should, right?
Think and grow rich from Napoleon Hill.
It's an iconic book.
You can find it on Amazon pretty cheap, 15 bucks for a soft copy.
Yep.
So that's, that's number one.
That's the number one to go to.
Right.
Thank you.
Um, secondly, rich dad, poor dad, Robert Kiyosaki.
Um, again, he's a, uh, heavy hitter, pretty direct with finances.
Um, these, those are both, um, one's a finance, one's a combo finance, personal growth.
Yeah.
Um, and then anything from Dave Ramsey is a positive, but total moneymaker.
Uh, if you have a chance to look at that or read that, it's a great one, but those three
guys, and then there's one book for personal growth that is a Christian based book by Henry
cloud and John Townsend.
It's how people grow and it correlates with the Bible.
Yeah.
So for the personal growth factor, it's one I steer towards, but, um, I listened to a
ton of different podcasts.
Yeah.
I want to drive in and never listened to the radio.
It's either I'm always on Spotify listening to a podcast, whether it's yours or someone
else's it's Dave Ramsey, if it's Joe Rogan, it's all different areas.
There's no specific.
Okay.
Um, it might be T D Jakes, right?
Which I love listening to.
Um, Tim Tebow, you know, there's a bunch of different ones, but it's just feeding your
mind with positive energy and information.
But those are the books I go to, but you know, find something on a podcast that correlates
with your mind that you're able to learn from and don't stop learning.
Yeah.
So far.
I mean, like definitely, like I heard about, you know, Richard Poor Dad and Total Money
Maker, but I haven't heard of people, people grow.
I'm going to wait.
We're going to look to all these things in the show notes.
And so you guys like most likely are all going to be Amazon links and I'm going to have to
put the couple that I don't have yet into my Amazon cart, but, uh, title of books.
Yeah.
The one checklist item, a bucket list that I haven't done yet that I need to get to,
and I'm going to find some people to do it is a John Maxwell, uh, conference.
Yeah.
Oh, that'd be dope.
At the church, we used to have a, I think it was a Maxwell, but, um, it was a two day
event where they streamed it live from Chicago.
It was two days.
You paid like, I don't know, 50 bucks.
Yeah.
Thursday and Friday, you spent all day there.
All these major speakers.
Wow.
Yeah.
Beyond.
Um, I don't know why we did away with that, but I don't know if it was a group, maybe
COVID hit or something, but, um, actually going physically to a John Maxwell conference.
Yeah.
That's somebody really cool.
John Maxwell, his podcast is great, he has people running that.
Yeah.
But, um, that's always a great leadership wanting to do as well.
That is great.
He's a wonderful leader.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
A lot to learn right there.
For sure.
Um, we have one final question I was going to say.
Yeah.
Uh, Pat, who would you like to have on the next episode of podcasts?
Oh, yours.
Didn't even think about that.
Geez.
Um, I don't want to say Keith, cause I like to throw him under the bus and say, Hey, let's
hear your story.
He's got some great stories.
I don't know how much he, he's always a good person that you can learn a lot from as a
mentor.
Um, another modest guy that, uh, as a friend of mine that does a lot within the church
that no one even knows about Jim Mellie.
Okay.
He's, he's an entrepreneur.
Him and his wife are huge in our church as far as, um, the way they give themselves.
Yeah.
Um, he owns a ton of real estate properties and as super modest guy, um, very knowledgeable
about marriage.
Okay.
Has grown children as well, grandkids.
Um, but talk about a nice, a person that can be a major mentor to people and it is full
of information.
Yeah.
Jim.
How do you spell his last name?
M-E-L-I.
All right.
We will definitely reach out to him.
Shawn knows him.
Yeah.
I know him too.
I've definitely met him.
He's in the Monday group.
You met him.
Okay.
He's the son of the original six.
Gotcha.
And our group now we have like 28.
God's a growing.
God's growing.
Men, men in the ministry is growing.
So.
Good.
Okay.
Awesome.
Thank you.
Um, yeah, with all that, with all that, that wraps up this episode.
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