1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,280 Hey guys, welcome to this amazing and rich episode that Shawn and I got to have with Patrick 2 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:09,520 Williams. 3 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:16,220 This is part one and guys, I just relistened to the whole thing and oh my gosh, you don't 4 00:00:16,220 --> 00:00:17,220 want to miss it. 5 00:00:17,220 --> 00:00:18,760 You don't want to step out. 6 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:23,140 You're going to want to listen to the whole thing and I say it in the episode, but take 7 00:00:23,140 --> 00:00:24,840 some notes. 8 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:32,000 We discuss Pat's journey as a Christian man, father, grandfather, and entrepreneur. 9 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:38,480 The conversation touches on leadership, mentorship, and the pursuit of excellence. 10 00:00:38,480 --> 00:00:44,020 Pat emphasizes the importance of integrity and financial discipline, sharing personal 11 00:00:44,020 --> 00:00:48,360 experiences and lessons learned along the way. 12 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,000 Guys, let's get it. 13 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:55,280 Time in. 14 00:00:55,280 --> 00:01:02,160 Alright, hey guys, welcome to this episode of Technically Short. 15 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:03,160 I'm Thomas. 16 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:04,160 And I'm Shawn. 17 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:11,600 And today we have another guest on. 18 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:17,920 But first I want to say if you haven't already, go ahead and follow, subscribe, and give us 19 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:18,920 five stars. 20 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:22,080 Five star review and whatever platform you're on. 21 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:25,600 But alright, without further ado, say hi, Pat. 22 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:27,560 Hello, I'm Patrick Williams. 23 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:28,560 Yeah. 24 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,960 And yes, excited to be on the podcast this morning. 25 00:01:31,960 --> 00:01:34,720 I appreciate the invite with both of these fine gentlemen. 26 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:39,080 I've known them for some time now, probably a few years. 27 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,400 And through church, Amplify. 28 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,480 So if you have a chance, go check out Amplify. 29 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:49,200 But both of them have a huge heart, huge contribution to the church. 30 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:53,760 So I'm just happy to be here and have some talk with you guys. 31 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:54,760 So excited. 32 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:55,760 Thanks, Pat. 33 00:01:55,760 --> 00:02:02,920 But now, like Shawn said, we are we were actually really excited when you texted me. 34 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:06,200 I was like, Oh my gosh, yes, let's do it. 35 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,120 I haven't done a podcast a long time. 36 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:09,120 So on purpose. 37 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:10,120 So you're the first. 38 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:11,120 Hey, we're holding off on purpose. 39 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:15,880 We've had a few people on where they've never done a podcast. 40 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,920 So we but the and they do great. 41 00:02:19,920 --> 00:02:25,360 But the the way we like to start a lot of these episodes is also to set a good foundation 42 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:26,360 for the for the conversation. 43 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:33,520 And it's also to like, get to people that might not know you know about how we view 44 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:34,520 you how we see you. 45 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:38,880 We like to start with some exaltations of our guests. 46 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,120 And I have a few things I just thought like, what are the first things that pop into my 47 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,400 head when I think about Pat Williams? 48 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:49,240 And there are a guide and trailblazer. 49 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:50,240 There's a couple things. 50 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:51,240 There's a couple more. 51 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:55,280 But someone who is willing to take risks for the benefit of themselves and others, then 52 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:57,240 they're a great, great father to your children. 53 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,560 And we were talking about that before the recording. 54 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:05,240 And you can easily tell your children love you from your youngest to your oldest. 55 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:10,160 You put in the time with them to show them who they were created to be and then a friend 56 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:11,160 and a leader. 57 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:15,780 Like I can say that you're both of those for me, like someone who isn't afraid to say the 58 00:03:15,780 --> 00:03:18,120 harsh thing that someone needs to hear. 59 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,840 And you've done that for both Shawn and I. 60 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,600 And it's all it's to benefit us. 61 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:24,600 So yeah, thank you. 62 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:25,600 I appreciate that. 63 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:26,600 That's a trailblazer. 64 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:27,600 That's okay. 65 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:28,600 It's a really good one. 66 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:29,600 Yeah. 67 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,560 But okay, that took me off guard a second. 68 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:37,760 But just me in general, right, for me, I got asked this question before. 69 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:39,320 And it's like, who is Pat Williams? 70 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:40,320 Yeah. 71 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:41,320 Right. 72 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:42,320 And it's one of the questions she wrote down. 73 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:46,560 But I'm like, I know this because it's instilled in me now. 74 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:47,560 Right. 75 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:48,560 I am a husband. 76 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:49,560 Yeah. 77 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:50,560 Right. 78 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:51,560 I'm a father. 79 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:52,560 I am now a grandfather. 80 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:53,560 I am a son. 81 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:54,560 I'm a brother. 82 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:56,840 But more importantly, I'm the son of God. 83 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:57,840 Yeah. 84 00:03:57,840 --> 00:03:58,840 Right. 85 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:03,160 And that's the mother, that's the top of the tier that makes everything else flow the way 86 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:04,160 it needs to flow. 87 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:05,160 Right. 88 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,880 I have to, you know, and all those things take effort. 89 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:09,880 Right. 90 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,600 They don't just happen. 91 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:13,920 It's kind of like your podcast. 92 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:15,880 It's perfectly imperfect the season. 93 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:16,880 Yeah. 94 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:17,880 Something I've been using for a long time. 95 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,640 And actually, Kate had a be still nonprofit t shirt company. 96 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:22,640 Okay. 97 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:23,640 And that was one of her shirts. 98 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:24,640 Perfectly imperfect. 99 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:25,640 Wow. 100 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:26,640 Right. 101 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:27,640 So we strive to be perfect. 102 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:28,640 Yeah. 103 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,640 And that's what excellence is to what we're going to talk about today. 104 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:32,640 Yeah. 105 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:33,920 But perfectly imperfect. 106 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,040 God made us individuals perfectly. 107 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:37,040 Yeah. 108 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:38,440 For what we're meant to do. 109 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,000 However, we are imperfect. 110 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:41,000 Right. 111 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,000 We strive to be perfect. 112 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:43,000 Never will be. 113 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:44,000 Yeah. 114 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,560 But it's that that's the chase and what we desire to be. 115 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:52,600 So you know, when you talk about for me, number one is being a Christian man and, and being 116 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:54,400 who I am wherever I'm at. 117 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:55,400 Oh, yeah, absolutely. 118 00:04:55,400 --> 00:05:01,120 Whether I'm sitting here with you guys, whether I'm at Walmart, checking out with the cashier, 119 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,320 you know, still being a dad joke packed, right? 120 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:05,800 Trying to make someone's day better. 121 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:06,800 Yeah. 122 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,920 Whether it's at a restaurant, you know, and hopefully that feeds to the next person they 123 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:10,920 talk to. 124 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:11,920 Right. 125 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:13,160 And that's how I try to vision envision that. 126 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:14,160 Right. 127 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,080 Because you guys have that same effect on people. 128 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,040 I know, Shawn, you definitely do every time in church when you're so you're in the welcome 129 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:20,040 team. 130 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:21,040 Right. 131 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:22,040 You see Shawn smile, he gives you a hug. 132 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:23,480 Okay, I'm meant to be here. 133 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:24,480 Right. 134 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:26,560 We each have our own way of doing that. 135 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:27,560 Right. 136 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:29,120 So, you know, it's work. 137 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:33,960 I was never the per the top notch dad or the top notch husband or things like that. 138 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:35,960 I've had many mistakes in my life. 139 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,440 And, you know, many great rewards also. 140 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:39,440 Right. 141 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:40,440 But it's all a learning process. 142 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:46,520 And if we go by the Bible, lead button lead lead through that we're we'll be sitting okay. 143 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:47,520 Right. 144 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:48,520 But integrity is a big thing. 145 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:49,520 Yeah. 146 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:50,520 Right. 147 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:52,960 Do what you say you're going to do work hard for your family and friends. 148 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,160 And, you know, everything works out. 149 00:05:55,160 --> 00:06:00,040 But like you said, the leadership portion, that's something, you know, I don't know this 150 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:04,080 I'll probably get off course you may want to ask questions but of my timeline. 151 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:05,080 Yeah. 152 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:06,080 Yeah. 153 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:09,720 I said this before we started I talk a lot so Thomas and Shawn are gonna have to interrupt 154 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:11,400 me here probably a couple times. 155 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:13,120 But you know, I've owned a few businesses. 156 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:14,120 Yeah. 157 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:18,360 Sold a couple businesses have two businesses now that we're I'm part of. 158 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:19,360 Yeah. 159 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:21,960 I always stick my foot back in that was a toe. 160 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,680 Now it's, you know, with the way things are going. 161 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:26,640 It's even more. 162 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:28,400 But leadership is tough. 163 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:32,080 You know, you don't have to have a title to be a leader. 164 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:33,080 Right. 165 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:34,680 I think Thomas I've talked about this before. 166 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:35,680 Yeah. 167 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:36,680 Right. 168 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:37,960 We talked about this. 169 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:39,160 You don't have to be a CEO. 170 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:40,160 Right. 171 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,520 You don't have to be a senior pastor. 172 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:44,240 You don't have to be a school teacher. 173 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,460 You don't be a police officer. 174 00:06:46,460 --> 00:06:51,160 You can be Shawn, you can be Thomas, I can be Pat, and we can still lead in a capacity 175 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:52,160 to help others. 176 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:53,160 Oh, yes. 177 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:54,160 Right. 178 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,760 Thomas mentioned and Shawn, I know too. 179 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,360 Yeah, I'm able to have I think the harder conversations. 180 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:00,360 Yeah. 181 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:01,360 Yeah. 182 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:02,640 With the both of you because I have a relationship with you. 183 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:03,640 Absolutely. 184 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:04,640 I know who you are. 185 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:05,640 You know who I am. 186 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:09,280 There's certain expectations when we when we get together and talk. 187 00:07:09,280 --> 00:07:13,320 If I had Joe Schmo off the street, I'm not gonna say hey, this is some of the things 188 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:14,320 you might want to think about. 189 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:15,320 Yeah. 190 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:16,320 And how to approach something. 191 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:17,320 Right. 192 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,160 And having a hard conversation isn't hard for me. 193 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:20,160 Yeah. 194 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:21,160 I have a relationship. 195 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:22,160 Yeah. 196 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,840 You know, and that's only a small piece of leadership. 197 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:31,040 Like my goal as a leader or CEO or owner of a company, how do I grow my employees above 198 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:32,520 and beyond their own expectation? 199 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:34,240 That's so good. 200 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:35,240 Right. 201 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:36,240 Yeah. 202 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:37,760 So it means I need to know who that person is. 203 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:38,760 Yeah. 204 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:39,760 Who is Thomas, who is Shawn? 205 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:40,760 What are the desires in life? 206 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:41,760 What are their goals? 207 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,160 What are their expectations of themselves? 208 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,880 How do I how do I play a role in enhancing that? 209 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:47,880 Yeah. 210 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:51,200 I'm not gonna say I grew up with my company with or with another company down the road. 211 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:52,200 And I express these. 212 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,720 I used to have employees fill out goal sheets so I can learn more about them. 213 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:56,720 Yeah. 214 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:57,720 That's wise. 215 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:58,720 Okay, here you go. 216 00:07:58,720 --> 00:07:59,720 This is what direction you want to go. 217 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:04,080 In five years, it may not be with me, but at least I know I did my due diligence to make 218 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:05,080 you a better person. 219 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:06,080 Yeah. 220 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:07,080 Hopefully I gave you enough that you want to stay. 221 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:08,080 Yeah. 222 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:09,080 You know what I mean? 223 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:12,280 So and in church and things like that, in our men's group, I think that's why I grew 224 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:13,480 so much. 225 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:18,880 Because there's a lot of leaders in our group that specialize in different areas, you know, 226 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:26,160 with Keith Demetrius, Daniel, Chad, Stephen, Shawn, Jim Mellie, you know, all these guys 227 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:31,080 are just leaders Lloyd, you know, at different levels in life, where they have so many different 228 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:32,080 experiences. 229 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:33,800 You're like, Okay, I can learn something from that guy. 230 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:34,800 Right? 231 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:37,900 Because that's my big thing now is finding myself mentors. 232 00:08:37,900 --> 00:08:40,080 So you never stop needing a mentor. 233 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:41,080 Yeah. 234 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:42,080 Yeah. 235 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:43,080 No matter how old you are. 236 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:44,080 Yes. 237 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,440 So you know, and you can't have too many, but you have to be specific on who you pick. 238 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:48,440 I agree. 239 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:49,440 I agree 100%. 240 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,880 So but that's that's who Pat is, in a nutshell. 241 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:58,160 And one of my one of my my pride moments, and I look back because I'm older now, I'm 242 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:01,360 going to be 50 years less than a year. 243 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:02,360 My kids are older. 244 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,480 I have two older kids, 29. 245 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:06,520 B will be 27 and Emma nine. 246 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:11,840 Yeah, but just the fact that my two older sons, one, we have a relationship and they 247 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:13,160 don't want to be part of my life. 248 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:14,160 Right? 249 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:15,160 We have that relationship. 250 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,800 It's not the same disciplinary relationship as being a father when you're younger. 251 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:22,600 But it's more of like, hey, they trust me to have tough conversations, right? 252 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:27,960 Whether it's again, some of the tough conversations, and also the respect conversations. 253 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:28,960 Right? 254 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:33,280 So that's, you know, that's one of my top successes in life is like, hey, they want 255 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:34,280 to have a relationship. 256 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:35,280 Yeah, so good. 257 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:38,280 That's not you don't see it all the time. 258 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:39,280 Definitely. 259 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:40,280 I know. 260 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:41,280 Tangent. 261 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:47,000 I'm just going to read my constantations of exit. 262 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:48,000 Excellentations. 263 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:49,000 Excellentations. 264 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:50,000 Yeah. 265 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,000 Thomas got it. 266 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:53,000 We're good. 267 00:09:53,000 --> 00:10:01,240 Pat, he is kind, strong, wise, loving, tough father, brother, godly man, and mentor. 268 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:02,880 So that's the way I see you. 269 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:08,360 Pat, you have this like, you're always honest, even when we don't want to take advice and 270 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:09,360 I'm hard headed. 271 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:13,520 So like, I mentioned this all the time in the podcast. 272 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:14,520 We know. 273 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,520 I'm very hard headed. 274 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:21,960 So like, even when we don't take your advice, it's like the seed was still planted. 275 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:25,880 And you know, I mean, it's like, oh, man, and when you mess up, you're like, dang, I 276 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,120 should have listened to Pat because Pat was right about this scenario. 277 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:30,120 You know what I mean? 278 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:34,120 And it's, and it's, and you have this way of being so loving and kind and yet strong 279 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:35,120 and honest. 280 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,560 Like, you know, I mean, you're never like, oh, you're just going to give us fairy tale 281 00:10:38,560 --> 00:10:40,800 type lies to make you feel better. 282 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:41,800 It's never that. 283 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:43,880 It's straight, hardcore honesty, but love. 284 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:47,480 Like you know, and so it's, it's very, I love you Pat, but so. 285 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:48,480 Yeah, I love you guys too. 286 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:49,480 I appreciate that. 287 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:50,480 Yeah. 288 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:51,480 The tough love is tough sometimes, right? 289 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:52,480 Yeah. 290 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:57,720 It's tough love, but you know, and that's where, hey, I've, these are called learned 291 00:10:57,720 --> 00:10:59,760 experiences wisdom, right? 292 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:01,120 And wisdom comes with time. 293 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:05,160 I mean, you can, you can be excellent in certain areas of your life at a young age. 294 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:06,160 Yeah. 295 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,080 And that's when the wisdom sets in where you can reflect back and say, okay, this is how 296 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:10,200 I handled it. 297 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:11,960 How would I handle it differently? 298 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:16,640 And then you could relay that information to others so they don't make the same mistake. 299 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,080 So it's like, Hey Shawn, this is what you have to do. 300 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:21,680 This is my thought process. 301 00:11:21,680 --> 00:11:24,600 And if you want to advance somewhere, this is, I think this is the approach you might 302 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:25,600 want to think about taking. 303 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:26,600 Yeah. 304 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,260 You know, I'm never going to force someone to do something they don't want to do. 305 00:11:29,260 --> 00:11:32,400 That's where they have to be disciplined themselves and be like, okay, I'm going to take what 306 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:33,400 this knowledge is. 307 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:37,600 Obviously it comes from experience and inserted into my life in a certain area. 308 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:42,040 It may not be a hundred percent, but even if you take part of something, it's good, 309 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:43,040 right. 310 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:44,040 It helps you advance. 311 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:48,840 So I want to go back real quick to something you mentioned, like whenever you, uh, you 312 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:54,040 and I talked about, like not, not needing a title in order to delete and like the conversation 313 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:55,840 you and I had specific. 314 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:56,840 Yeah. 315 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:03,360 It was, and I, I, I, for people that are listening, like I wanted to like, uh, I would 316 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:09,320 have a goal of mine to, uh, mentor, mentor, um, this new, a new kid that entered our new 317 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:13,520 guy that mentored our, uh, uh, young adult group. 318 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:20,760 And I was waiting, I was waiting for an opportunity to present itself where the person that was 319 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:26,120 there, the person that was leading our group of guys, I was waiting for him to set something 320 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:27,120 up too. 321 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:33,800 So I couldn't maybe spend more time with, um, the, uh, the, uh, young guy I wanted to 322 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:34,800 mentor. 323 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,800 And, uh, and Pat kind of was like, Thomas, you don't gotta wait. 324 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:38,800 It's on your heart. 325 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:39,800 Yeah. 326 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:40,800 Make it happen. 327 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:41,800 Yeah. 328 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:44,880 And my boss has kind of told me the same thing, uh, at one point, cause I was like, he asked 329 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:49,240 me, he was like, uh, he asked me like what we talked about growth and leadership in the 330 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:50,240 company. 331 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,440 We started doing that pretty regularly now. 332 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:58,760 And he mentioned, and I was like, yeah, like I, like, I want to, like, you know, I want 333 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:02,200 to lead developer, you asked me if I want to lead the projects or I want to lead developers. 334 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,320 I was like, I want to lead developers. 335 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,440 And he was, okay, well, there's nothing stopping you from doing that now. 336 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:08,440 Pretty cool. 337 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:09,440 Yeah. 338 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,160 Oh, he, all he needed to do is know. 339 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:13,160 Yeah. 340 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:14,160 That's it. 341 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:15,160 He's like, man, he probably got real excited. 342 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,440 I have someone who wants to advance in my company. 343 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:18,440 Oh, for sure. 344 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,240 Or like, I would be excited. 345 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:21,240 Yeah. 346 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:22,240 Right. 347 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:25,640 So it's good because then they're like, if somebody's truly bought in, they're going 348 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:26,640 to do the work. 349 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:27,640 You know what I mean? 350 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:32,280 I think it is interesting getting that, that you say that because he said, he told me, 351 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:36,640 he's like, I didn't think anybody was interested until you said something. 352 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:41,200 It was in other people, they might have maybe they have the, maybe they'll get to the same 353 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:42,200 skill level. 354 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:47,320 Um, but he goes, I don't see a aptitude to want to lead. 355 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,120 And some people don't want to. 356 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:53,520 And that's perfectly fine, um, in that respect with the title. 357 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:57,960 Um, but it's like something he was looking at something, he was like, yeah, I was like, 358 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:01,400 if he was, I was starting to worry because now that everybody I started to hire, nobody 359 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:06,040 like you, you seem like you want to, you want to leave and the other guys just don't show 360 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:07,040 it. 361 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:13,160 So it's just, uh, and I apologize if they're listening right now, but, but, uh, 362 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:14,160 tough love. 363 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:15,160 Yeah. 364 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:16,160 You can't get in trouble for being honest. 365 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:17,160 Yeah. 366 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,120 And now you come across things, right? 367 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,240 So that's, but a lot of people are wait. 368 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:23,240 Yeah. 369 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:24,240 They sit and wait. 370 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:25,600 And it's like, why, why are we waiting? 371 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:26,600 Right. 372 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:27,600 I used to be that person. 373 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:28,600 That's why I can say that. 374 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,480 And then I was like, well, if I want to go do something, I'm getting a little older. 375 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:35,920 I was 33 when I owned my first business myself with a partner. 376 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:37,360 And I'm like, it's now or never. 377 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:38,360 Let's go now. 378 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:39,360 Yeah. 379 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:40,360 You know, was there fear? 380 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:41,360 Absolutely. 381 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:45,400 But that fear filled the fire to overcome and grind and have the discipline to be successful. 382 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:46,400 That's so good. 383 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:49,960 I was able to buy because I had two kids and a wife and people that depended on me, friends, 384 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:50,960 right? 385 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:51,960 That we brought into the business. 386 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:53,760 It's like, all right, these people are depending on me. 387 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:55,600 We need to make this a success. 388 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:59,600 And, uh, you know, and by being successful, you're able to help even more people. 389 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:04,120 So, you know, and a lot of times you need to make sure you're doing it for the right 390 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:05,120 reasons. 391 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:10,440 Um, too many people that I've seen over the years have personal agendas, which it's okay 392 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:15,880 to have an agenda for personal goals, but to have an agenda against what the company 393 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:21,200 has, um, or business or place, wherever you're at, you know, there's that there's no place 394 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:22,200 for that. 395 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:23,200 Yeah. 396 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:25,200 It's like, you're doing this for the better good, right? 397 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:30,080 Cause one of my taglines I use all the time when I pray use it with you is when you pass 398 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,200 away and you know, all glory, you go to heaven. 399 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:34,200 Yeah. 400 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,440 There's no hurt with a U-haul attached to it. 401 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:37,440 Amen. 402 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:39,440 You're not taking anything with you, right? 403 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:40,440 Yeah. 404 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,520 So you may leave stuff for some people, but you're not taking anything with you. 405 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:44,520 Right? 406 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:48,900 So you need that person that's, that's giving, that's, you know, warm hearted, caring, that 407 00:15:48,900 --> 00:15:49,900 do things for others. 408 00:15:49,900 --> 00:15:50,900 Right? 409 00:15:50,900 --> 00:15:51,900 So, yeah. 410 00:15:51,900 --> 00:15:57,480 When I say I'm going to have to re-listen to this myself and take my own notes. 411 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,480 Thomas is trying to take notes while he's talking. 412 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:01,480 God bless him. 413 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:03,800 I wouldn't be able to do that. 414 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:07,720 I take notes just for the conversation then, but then I want to re-listen and take more 415 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:08,720 notes. 416 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:12,360 And so I'm going to speak to the listeners again and be like, this is the episode where 417 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:13,360 you should be taking notes. 418 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:20,040 If you haven't already been doing that with our past episodes, but the, but this is one 419 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,880 where you want to have a notebook or your phone or whatever you want to do. 420 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:28,200 I think I tell Thomas that when we sit down, you bring a notebook, write this down. 421 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,600 Note takers and history makers. 422 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:32,600 There you go. 423 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:33,600 Oh man. 424 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:34,600 Good stuff. 425 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:41,800 No, you've touched on, like, it's funny because like you've touched on a lot, like a lot of 426 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:46,800 the things, a lot of the things I already kind of gave you a lot of questions I was 427 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:54,080 going to ask, but like even like, so this dynamic is different and it's good, but the, 428 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:59,600 but I want to know though, cause I, to you, like you already know the question, it's meant 429 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:00,600 to be vague. 430 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:06,800 And you mentioned excellence a lot already, but to you like to focus on that, it's excellence 431 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:07,800 itself. 432 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:08,800 Like how would you define that? 433 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:12,520 Well, the one thing, the first thing that popped when I saw the questions, like, okay, 434 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:13,520 what's the difference? 435 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:17,040 What's the difference from being perfect and being excellent, right? 436 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:19,760 Because and who says what excellence is, right? 437 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,960 We all have our own mindset when it comes to that. 438 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:29,760 And then for me, excellence, you know, I try to stay within the Bible with the integrity 439 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:30,760 portion of things. 440 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:34,920 And that's, I try to go back to integrity to be an excellent, if I'm acting in the manner 441 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:39,800 of a Christian man, the way he's supposed to act, I will be led to excellence in whatever 442 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,880 I put my heart and desires into, right? 443 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:47,720 Because you know, I can get a perfect or excellent score on a test, you know, but as far as a 444 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,440 human being, I'm never going to be perfect or excellent. 445 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:51,440 Right? 446 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:52,440 Right? 447 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,320 I may think I'm excellent in the finance math world. 448 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,640 There's always people that are to be better than I am. 449 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:58,640 Yeah. 450 00:17:58,640 --> 00:17:59,640 Right. 451 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:02,180 And the nutrition, health and wellness, I think I'm pretty solid as far as a formulator 452 00:18:02,180 --> 00:18:04,640 goes and things of that nature. 453 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:06,040 That's something that excites me. 454 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:07,360 So I put more into it. 455 00:18:07,360 --> 00:18:08,360 Right? 456 00:18:08,360 --> 00:18:09,920 And I've been doing it for 23 years. 457 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:11,800 So you know, am I excellent at it? 458 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:12,960 Some people may say I am. 459 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,200 I don't say I am because there's always more to learn. 460 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:16,200 Right. 461 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:20,440 But I think excellence comes from other people seeing the value in you, not so much me and 462 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:21,440 myself. 463 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:22,440 I'm a heart. 464 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,680 I'm the hardest person on me that I am on anyone else. 465 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:25,680 Right. 466 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:29,440 I was a guy more in the tank to give, more in the tank to learn, more in the tank to 467 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:32,200 grind like, Hey, you know, I worked 100 hours a week. 468 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,000 Keith and I were talking about this the other day. 469 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:38,160 I'm probably just two years ago is the first time I've never worked more than 80 hours 470 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:39,960 in a week for 25 years. 471 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:40,960 Wow. 472 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,160 And it's not like just showing up. 473 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:44,160 Yeah. 474 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,520 No, putting in work, making things feasible for things. 475 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,680 And that's one of the things that, you know, the sacrifice because that's another question 476 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:50,680 down the list. 477 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:51,680 Yep. 478 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,600 That's one of the sacrifices, you know, and was it good or bad? 479 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:55,600 I don't know. 480 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:56,600 I can't go back and change anything. 481 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:58,720 It was good as far as where I am in my life now. 482 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,240 At the time, did I sacrifice some relationships? 483 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:02,880 I sacrifice friendships? 484 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:07,840 I sacrifice, you know, I did get a divorce, right? 485 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:12,360 Not enough time in that relationship was more focused on making sure my family was secure 486 00:19:12,360 --> 00:19:14,360 and financially stable. 487 00:19:14,360 --> 00:19:18,200 Things of that nature, which, you know, that you sacrifice things and, you know, you try 488 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:22,440 to look back and make changes so that doesn't happen again. 489 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:27,480 And I've been able to bring more people in to business, into my life that keeps my focus 490 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:28,480 where it needs to be. 491 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:29,480 That makes sense. 492 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:30,480 Right? 493 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:34,760 I've had men's groups having people surrounding me that they're looking for my best interest 494 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:35,760 in mind. 495 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:36,760 Yeah. 496 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:38,640 Not for, Hey, Pat, what can you do for me? 497 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:39,640 Yeah. 498 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:43,360 I've been surrounded by a lot of those people and they're no longer part of my life. 499 00:19:43,360 --> 00:19:44,360 Right. 500 00:19:44,360 --> 00:19:50,160 But the people, the main people such as you two that, Hey, have, like you guys don't realize 501 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:51,800 what you have to offer me. 502 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:53,640 So it's not just me offering you things. 503 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:54,640 Yeah. 504 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,360 When we sit down and talking things that nature, you offer me something too. 505 00:19:57,360 --> 00:19:59,640 So it's not a one sided relationship. 506 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:00,640 Right. 507 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:04,160 You may think it is sometimes you may not have thought about that, but no, it's a two 508 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:05,160 way street. 509 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:06,160 Right. 510 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:07,160 And that's the accidents part. 511 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:11,600 Like you may think I'm excellent at something and I'm like, man, I got a long way to go. 512 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:12,600 Right. 513 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:16,800 So I think it's the excellence is like I said, in the eyes of the people looking at you. 514 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:17,800 That's really good. 515 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:21,680 Cause we can be like, Hey, Pastor Jason's excellent preaching, which I think he's awesome. 516 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:22,680 Right. 517 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:23,680 Yeah. 518 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:24,680 But he might be thinking, man, I got to fix this. 519 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:25,680 He's C D. Yeah. 520 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:29,800 But that's the strive for perfection. 521 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:30,800 Yeah. 522 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:35,280 That we're never going to get, but that's knowing that your heart is where you're supposed 523 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:39,000 to be and that you keep grinding to get to try to be perfect. 524 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:40,000 Yeah. 525 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:44,320 See, Pat, that's why I honestly think you are excellent because you have like such a 526 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:45,320 heart for humility. 527 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:49,360 And then you have like, like, okay, I want to keep growing. 528 00:20:49,360 --> 00:20:50,360 I'm not there yet. 529 00:20:50,360 --> 00:20:55,200 The person who thinks they're there is like the person who never in my eyes will ever 530 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,000 be excellent ever. 531 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:02,200 Because if you think you already arrived, then it's like, you have nothing to learn. 532 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,400 You don't, you don't think you make mistakes. 533 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,440 You, you be, you feel like you're this, that guy. 534 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,220 And like, when you feel like you're just that guy, you're going to fall. 535 00:21:10,220 --> 00:21:14,360 But it's so great because you're, you're very, you've done a lot of stuff. 536 00:21:14,360 --> 00:21:16,640 We named Pat's accomplishments on the hair. 537 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:17,640 It'd be ridiculous. 538 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:18,640 Right. 539 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,200 I'm not going to do that because it's a lot. 540 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:25,280 But it's just literally so humble when he still, he gets to do that. 541 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,560 Like he's not, he's not like fakeness. 542 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:32,000 If you see Pat anywhere, he is a man of integrity, like always. 543 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:33,480 That's so awesome to see. 544 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,660 But I'm going to shoot you one of my questions. 545 00:21:36,660 --> 00:21:41,680 For people who are like me, who need financial discipline, right? 546 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:46,520 What is some steps you would say that like starts financial discipline or what is financial 547 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:47,560 discipline? 548 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:51,760 Financial discipline is knowing your means and living within them. 549 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:52,760 Yeah. 550 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:58,440 You know, like I said, I was never in a, I wasn't always in a great financial spot. 551 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,160 However, I never put myself on a financial burden. 552 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:02,400 I learned that at a younger age. 553 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,480 You know, my, my father taught me that, that much. 554 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:09,320 And I knew like, Hey, and my grandmother, especially, Hey, you got a credit card, pay 555 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:10,880 it off every month, right? 556 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:12,760 Use it, pay it off every month. 557 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:14,680 Don't owe anything to anybody if you don't have to. 558 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:15,680 Yeah. 559 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:16,680 Right. 560 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:17,680 I'm not going to give you a bunch of money. 561 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,320 If I borrow a dollar off somebody, I'm like, there you go. 562 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:21,320 Like, no, no, we're good. 563 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:22,600 I'm like, no, we're not good. 564 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:23,600 Yeah. 565 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:24,600 This will stay on me if I don't give you this. 566 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:25,600 Right. 567 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:26,600 It just does. 568 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:30,440 And that's lived with me for a long time, uh, for my grandma and my dad and stuff like 569 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:31,440 that. 570 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:35,640 But you know, live within your means, um, plan, just, I use this all the time. 571 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:37,720 Plan your work, work your plan, right? 572 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:42,520 Um, plan your, your, your bills and work that plan that you have for it. 573 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:51,320 Um, so that you can have your 75%, you know, 50% bills, 25% spending money, 25% savings, 574 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:52,960 whatever it might be the strategy. 575 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:53,960 So it's consistent. 576 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:58,040 And again, financial discipline, be disciplined in what you're doing. 577 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,120 You know, there's, if you don't have the money, you don't do it. 578 00:23:01,120 --> 00:23:02,120 Yeah. 579 00:23:02,120 --> 00:23:06,600 If you have to, you eat ramen for an entire 30 days until your bills are lined up and 580 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,040 then, okay, I'm back. 581 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:09,440 I'm good again. 582 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:14,680 For the first couple of years of my life at from not, not life, but 1920, I was a young 583 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:15,680 dad, right? 584 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,120 Didn't have any money. 585 00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:22,760 My ex wife and I lived off of hot dogs, macaroni and cheese and generic chips for a long time. 586 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,320 I didn't eat hot dogs for like 10 years. 587 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:29,000 I'm like, I'm not eating another hot dog in my life because you can get an eight pack 588 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:30,000 for 99 cents. 589 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,800 It goes a long way. 590 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,320 Mac and cheese, generic 25 cents at the flea market. 591 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:35,320 Yep. 592 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:36,320 Right. 593 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,680 And then people are like, oh, you know, the one thing that bothers me that I don't, not 594 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:39,680 much bothers me. 595 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,040 The must be nice people. 596 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:42,600 Oh man, must be nice. 597 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:47,560 I'm like, oh, I know it must be nice to work 80 to a hundred hours a week and eat hot dogs 598 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:51,280 and mac and cheese and have a car break down in the middle of the squirrel tunnel. 599 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,680 And I mean, you just don't know that story of me. 600 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:54,680 Yeah. 601 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,160 I don't share that a lot, but everyone has a story. 602 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:58,160 Yeah. 603 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,560 Sometimes you just got to sit and listen and be like, oh, or ask, tell me, tell me your 604 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,160 story, but be willing to listen. 605 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:04,160 Yeah. 606 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:05,160 That's the other part. 607 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:06,920 People say, Thomas, how are you? 608 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:08,840 And then they don't, they just keep walking. 609 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:09,840 Yeah. 610 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:10,840 They expect you to say good. 611 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:11,840 Right. 612 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,800 What if you say, Hey man, I could really use someone to talk to for 10 minutes. 613 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:15,800 Right. 614 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:16,800 You're going to sit and listen and you can keep walking. 615 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:17,800 Right. 616 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,760 Cause not everyone knows my whole story and there's a lot to it now that I'm older, but 617 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,960 that's life experience and God's put me in directions and paths. 618 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,080 Sometimes I steered myself one way and he's like, right. 619 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:32,520 Smacks me in the rear and says, you're going this way, buddy. 620 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:36,280 I think I remember you saying at one point, um, if somebody asks you how you're doing, 621 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:37,280 they better be ready for a conversation. 622 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:38,280 Yeah, I did. 623 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:39,280 Yeah. 624 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:40,280 I mean, and that's me. 625 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:41,280 Yeah. 626 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:42,640 Like, and I asked people intentionally, Hey, how are you? 627 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:43,640 Yeah. 628 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,800 And Kate, Kate, my wife will be like, do you know that person? 629 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,800 I'm like, I have no clue who that person is. 630 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,760 She's like, you'll talk to anybody. 631 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:51,760 She knows I'll talk to anybody. 632 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:52,760 Yeah. 633 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,320 It's, I mean, you know, and I know you guys will too. 634 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:55,800 I see Shawn do it all the time. 635 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,720 I'm like, if I'm in the middle of Walmart and I start talking to someone, she'll be 636 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,720 like, you know, that person now she knows better to even answer it. 637 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:02,720 She knows the answer. 638 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:03,720 I probably don't know them. 639 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:04,720 Yeah. 640 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:05,720 Right. 641 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,560 I mean, I had a blessed day and you know, though I ended up having a conversation, I 642 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,360 had a lady that one gave me cookies. 643 00:25:10,360 --> 00:25:11,800 She's like, I'm making cookies. 644 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,880 I'm, she had seven dozen eggs on the freaking belt in Walmart. 645 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,920 I'm like, wow, that's a lot of eggs. 646 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:17,920 I'm making cookies. 647 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,920 I'm like, oh man, here's my address. 648 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:25,280 When I was in Delmont and shopped off a dozen cookies because she lived in the senior area 649 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,280 up there, but it's just having the conversation. 650 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:28,800 So you don't know. 651 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,520 I walked in one time to try this one. 652 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,640 Go into a store and just tell every person Merry Christmas. 653 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,440 Say, Hey, Merry Christmas. 654 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,080 People are like, Oh my gosh, no one ever says that anymore. 655 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:39,080 Yeah. 656 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:40,720 It's either happy holidays or they don't say anything at all. 657 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:41,720 I'm like, Hey, Merry Christmas. 658 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,360 I have a smile on your face and people were like, taking back from it. 659 00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:46,360 Ironically. 660 00:25:46,360 --> 00:25:49,680 It's so crazy because that work, like nobody says Merry Christmas except me. 661 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:50,680 Yeah. 662 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:51,680 My boss didn't stuff. 663 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:52,680 They're Christians. 664 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:53,680 So they're always like, let me slide. 665 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:57,400 But like the, all my coworkers are like, you're supposed to say happy holidays. 666 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,240 I'm like, I have not met one person. 667 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,240 It's not celebrating anything on the Christmas. 668 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:02,240 Not Kwanzaa. 669 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,240 Hey, but if they do, they can say that back to you. 670 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:05,240 Yeah, exactly. 671 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:06,240 So they say, Hey, I saw Merry Kwanzaa. 672 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:07,240 Well, then happy Kwanzaa. 673 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:08,240 Right. 674 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:09,240 That's exactly how I see it too. 675 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:10,240 That's the Hanukkah, whatever it is. 676 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,240 Hey, have a great day and enjoy the season. 677 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:14,240 Yeah. 678 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,240 Cause holidays get frustrating for a lot of people. 679 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:18,240 Yeah. 680 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:19,240 Emotional. 681 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:20,240 It's emotional. 682 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:26,240 It's definitely a tough time for people who let the problems of life actually get at them. 683 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:27,240 Yes. 684 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:28,240 Why? 685 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,240 And half the time it's because they don't have financial discipline. 686 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:31,240 Yep. 687 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:36,240 So it gives you the number one reason divorce happens is finances. 688 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:37,240 Right? 689 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:38,240 Yeah. 690 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:39,240 Relationships break up because of that. 691 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,240 But if you're stable, you'd be good. 692 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:42,240 You're good. 693 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:43,240 Right? 694 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:44,240 Yeah. 695 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:48,240 I think I am glad that like you talked about a little bit, like you can get a little tippist 696 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:49,240 about your, your backstory. 697 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:54,240 I think a lot of people do think they see success and like they think that overnight. 698 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:55,240 Yeah. 699 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:56,240 There's no such thing. 700 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:57,240 Right. 701 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:01,240 So I think that's a good thing. 702 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:06,240 All right, guys, that was part one of this amazing conversation that Shawn and I got to 703 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,240 have with Patrick Williams. 704 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:16,240 If you haven't already, give us a five star review, subscribe, share this episode out. 705 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:21,240 And honestly, if you have been liking this episode and I said already, I'll say it again, 706 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,240 give it, go ahead and follow us so you don't miss part two. 707 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,240 All right, guys, see you next time. 708 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,240 See you next time and bring a notebook.