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Welcome to part two of this amazing conversation that Sean and I got to have with Mike Wallace.

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Here we continue to explore the theme of growth, excellence, and leadership from a Christian

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perspective.

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Mike shares insights into his journey, emphasizing the importance of faith, purpose, and relationships.

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He discusses the transformative power of Jesus in his life and highlights key influencers,

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such as his wife and parents.

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The conversation delves into the significance of leading children and the role of mentors

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in fostering growth.

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Guys, get ready because we're going in.

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See you in there.

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As you went into the aggacative role, as you went into amplify, what role did that inner

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circle play in your life?

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Wow.

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Yeah, that's a really good call out.

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Yeah, we're not meant to do this life alone, right?

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There's nothing that we're going to accomplish on our own that is going to see the fruit

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that we know it could and that God intends for it to.

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I would say first and foremost, Jesus, I mean, that's without being said, just having an

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understanding that every single day that I wake up with breath in my lungs, that he has

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purpose for me.

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You know, and it's not about me.

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It's about him and it's about bringing people to him and bringing heaven to earth and building

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the church and building the kingdom.

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Outside of Jesus, I would definitely have to say my wife, 100%.

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You know, she's my best friend.

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She's my soulmate.

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She's my person.

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I wouldn't even maybe be alive if it wasn't for her just to put it to that extreme.

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Just having her in my home, sharing a home together and being able to, in the moments

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of weakness and the times that maybe you want to give up or decisions that you want to make

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and being able to have somebody to talk to about it that you can fully trust, even just

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to listen, even just to say them out loud.

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She might not have to say anything, you know, just listening to me rant or whatever, you

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know, what have you.

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But just seeing me from the time that we were kids, you know, 15 years old until now and

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just she's been that consistent person in my life.

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Only my parents, my mom and my dad, my stepdad, they are just second to none parents in life.

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I think everyone's objective as a parent is for your kids to have a better life than you

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had.

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And I'm not, you know, we're praying and believing for it, but that's the mission as a father

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figure, as a mother figure.

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If you bring children into this world and all you want is for them to have a better

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life than you.

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So they have absolutely already achieved that mission, I believe, by making sure that whatever

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it is that I did, you know, even though I went to school for this and I shifted out

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of it and I shifted into a completely different industry and I grinded that industry and I

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worked my way all the way up almost to the top of the ladder, so to speak.

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And now I'm working in the church and they still support me.

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You know, there's nothing more powerful than having that love and support from your own

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family.

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But I will say there have also been individuals that are not maybe my wife or my parents,

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right?

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Having somebody very early on, you know, within a place, maybe it's somebody that interviewed

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you initially, right?

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And then they see the growth that happens within you.

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They see where God is elevating you to and just still having that relationship with that

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person even when you go from entry level to senior leadership and still having that person

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to talk to and still having that person to seek counsel with, still having your co-op

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student teacher to reach out to, even though I'm not even in the profession anymore.

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Still having those people that saw you grow and that were in your corner and that had

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your back even when you had nothing.

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My inner circle hasn't changed tremendously.

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I have a group of friends that I've been close with since elementary school.

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Not a lot of people can say that.

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Life has taken us our separate ways, but God has replaced that void in my life with people

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from our church.

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Outers are huge.

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If you don't have someone that's an elder in your life that has been there, done that,

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that has seen the good, the bad, the ugly, that has stayed faithful through the storms,

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I would implore every single person to find an elder, whoever that person might be in

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their life, then that is absolutely necessary.

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We have a few within our church that I'm not going to name them, but I'm sure they know

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who they are that have impact on me every single day.

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Pat and Keith.

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Yeah, there's definitely a couple right there.

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But there's certainly more than that, whether they realize it or not.

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Just little conversations here and there, or somebody that I can pick my phone up and

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say, hey, I need your help.

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We need to talk.

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Or just by the way they live their life, just seeing that example of what it is that I do

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want to continue to grow into.

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We're never really done growing.

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We're never really done learning.

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We're never really done with excellence.

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It's an ever evolving process and ever evolving theory, really.

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And that brings me to something I wrote this down just based off of what I had earlier

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today.

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Because we can't strive for pure excellence because the purest amount of excellence is

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God.

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Yes.

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And we're also called to be Christ-like, to move in a way that...

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Man, I'm trying to formulate this, but every time we exceed an expectation, we're still

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not going to hit the mark.

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Every time...

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This is not to be a discouragement to anybody.

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It means that there's an infinite amount of growth for us to happen for us.

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And growth in general, I find it exciting because that means if I can look at who I

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am now and look back at who I was, and if I'm not the same person, if I'm the same person,

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that's just...

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And then I'm like, well, what the heck have I been doing?

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But also there's encouragement there, knowing that there's actually room for me to grow.

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And like you said with the elders, that's so important because you don't know what you

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don't know.

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And people are out there who, like he said, have been there, have done that, have put

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in the work and it can call you out on your crap and aren't afraid to.

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One thing that...

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I'm going to focus on growth.

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I have a quote in here from John Maxwell, which says, growth demands a temporary surrender

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of security.

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So like off of that, were there a time in your life where you had to sacrifice your

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security in order to grow?

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Yes, absolutely, in a lot of ways.

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I would say, I mean, the career change was the biggest one.

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I literally spent X amount of dollars on education and that was what I knew.

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I knew education my entire life, all the way back from when I was a student until I learned

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how to teach.

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And then having to step into a complete shift, I had no idea what I was doing.

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No comfort there whatsoever.

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But even then, I was a believer in our Lord and just said, this is a door I believe are

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opening and I'm going to step through it.

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And I believe there's going to be people that are going to meet me here that you're going

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to send that are going to carry me through and just use me in whatever way it is.

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And I ended up having six different titles and seven years.

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But each time I changed roles, I also had that feeling, even with inside of that.

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So I would go from this title, this title, whatever.

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And I was letting go of what I was used to, like that daily comfort.

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I know exactly what I need to do today.

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I know exactly what I have to do today.

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But the difference between then and now is now here's what I get to do today, regardless

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of what it is.

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So just a total shift, but we can get very complacent in what we do.

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In our men's group, we have a little phrase that we like to say.

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Complacency kills consistency.

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Exactly.

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So it's very easy to get complacent because we can do that thing without even thinking

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about it.

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You ever drive somewhere and you're like, you don't even remember it.

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You're like, you get there and you're like, I don't even remember hardly driving here

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because your muscle memory just kicks in.

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You're just so used to doing it.

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But that's not what God created us for.

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He created us to thrive.

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We're more than conquerors.

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To be able to serve others, not just ourselves, even if it makes us uncomfortable or step

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out and do things, even if it's not comfortable.

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I wouldn't have gotten to where I got to in the past and even to where I've gotten to

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now presently, if I didn't get uncomfortable and let go of your security blankets or whatever

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that looks like in your life.

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So it's a really good question.

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And I definitely think that we all at times have experienced it.

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Sometimes it takes a little longer to accept, but when you look back, I would do it again

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every single time.

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And it's funny how we're always afraid of the things until we do it.

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And then you do it and you're like, I did it.

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And that's because we have the Holy Spirit within us.

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There's no reason to be afraid.

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Don't be afraid.

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365 times.

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Once enough for every single day of the year.

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So yeah, so hopefully that's encouraging for somebody listening, but you know, God is good.

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Let's go.

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Honestly, man, I just felt like you nailed everything on it on its head for sure.

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I want to go back to the point where you were saying that Christianity, I mean, Christ like

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being like Christ, like, yeah, because I feel like if a person is truly like Christ, it

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will cause growth, but it's also excellent.

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So it's like being that.

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So my question would be, how do we disciple to the younger generation to lead to excellence?

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So that's a really good question.

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I'm going to reference something if you guys don't mind.

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So I actually was at the Belonging Co. recently in Nashville and they had an entire like segment

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set aside that they titled presence over presentation.

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One of the things that they talked about, and I never really heard somebody say this

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at least out loud before, but it makes so much sense.

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And I apologize if this comes across any type of way.

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So what they said was, just want to make sure I can find it here.

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They were talking about if you can't lead children, you shouldn't lead.

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That's so good.

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You know, it was really, it was a really interesting thing.

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And again, I don't mean that to be discouraging for anybody, right?

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But children, they have like a different, they have like another sense, like a sixth

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sense where it's like, they know if you are being true or genuine, right?

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They know if you care, right?

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And hate to say it this way, but they're young, right?

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They're inexperienced.

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They don't really know any better unless they have had inner circles that at an early

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age to be able to really have authority in their lives, right?

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So if you can't lead children, right?

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That's a really good place to start, like to gauge what it is that you need to do better,

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right?

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Even from a discipline standpoint, where it's like, am I able to say no?

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You know, am I able to correct?

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You know, am I able to do this with grace?

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Am I able to do this in a way that Jesus would do it, you know, without having to turn to

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you know, methods that we shouldn't be turning to, right?

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We are called to be set apart.

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Regardless of what your title is in the world with whatever, with career or anything, you

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should be able to go somewhere and somebody maybe meets you or just see you and kind of

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be like, who is that guy?

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You know, who's that girl?

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Why do they seem, why do I feel like I know them?

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Like, you know, why do I feel like I've met you before?

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You know, I sometimes get that a lot and I know it's because it's Jesus.

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And working through me, you know, and I'll usually just have, you know, oh yeah, you

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know, maybe we met here, here, here, but I know the answer is Jesus, you know?

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So it's a really good question, Sean.

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And again, I would encourage people to, you know, step into some type of leadership position

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with children or not even children, just maybe just someone that's younger than you, right?

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We're all called to teach, we're all called to disciple.

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If there's anything that we're doing on this earth, it's exactly that.

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You know, the reason I want to have kids is because I want to raise disciples.

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I want them to then go out and continue the gospel and the good news that is our Lord

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and savior, right?

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It's not entirely selfish, you know, that's truly what I want to happen.

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God bless you and make with kids.

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Thank you, brother.

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Thank you.

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And you know, uh, discipling is what everyone, every single person listening to this, there's

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somebody in your life that you can be discipling.

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It could be a family member.

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It could be somebody that you work with.

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It could be somebody that you don't even know, right?

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That you could get to know that is been put into your path for purpose, um, for you to

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have purpose in their life.

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So yeah, that's a great question.

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That was good.

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And that was really good.

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That's how you know, it's a good question.

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Do you know what else to say?

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Hey, man, there's, um, I will, I'll say, I have one thing to say though.

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The if there's every, if there's people that you can be discipling, then there's also people

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that can disciple you.

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Yes.

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Because it goes, it goes both ways.

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And if you're looking like I am a person who I look for mentors and if you don't have somebody

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mentoring you, like, like start seeking those people out because in like it's like, and

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those people are like what we talked about the elders before.

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Those are the people who decide, those are people who would disciple you and help, help

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you understand what you don't understand.

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Like, like what would you do with somebody that was younger than you, you teach them.

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You teach, say you teach like a kid right from wrong.

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You tell them, you tell them, no, you tell them when they tell you guide them to live

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a life.

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Like we're saying about parents, raising your children, you, you, you would raise them to

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be better than you are.

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And if you want to be better than who you are, you look to somebody who's better than

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That's right.

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That's good, Thomas.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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You know, it's, it's why we're here and it's definitely twofold.

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It absolutely is.

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And it's, it's so easy, but we make it so complicated.

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You know, I mean, we were students our whole lives.

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Yeah, for sure.

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You know, wow.

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That's, that's definitely one thing that we probably all have in common.

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It might look different, but we were all students at one point.

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What, what changed, you know, just because it's not school, you know, we, we, we, we

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we should be allowing individuals to, to still teach us and parents us regardless of if it's

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our actual parents or our actual teachers, you know, so definitely a really good point

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of you to bring up.

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And I hate to do this, but I'm going to start wrapping it up.

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This is, we say this every time I say that, like we, we talk about this almost every episode

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that we have.

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Every episode, right?

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Every episode, every new episode is the favorite episode.

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And like, and like, dude, like you brought it today.

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Thanks guys.

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Well, I, I, that's humbling very much.

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So I know some of the individuals that you have had on the show in the past.

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So to be in that same, in that, you know, in that same ballpark and that same category

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is an honor.

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This was tons of fun.

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This is my first ever podcast, you know, again.

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So it's you guys are great.

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Thank you so much for having me.

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Yeah.

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Thank you for the questions.

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Thank you for growing me, you know, in this way.

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It's beautiful.

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So, you know, let's continue to not shy for excellence, but just let him work through

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us in those ways and take something from this and apply it for sure.

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Man, this is such amazing.

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I've said, can I, I'm going to ask you a couple of, there's some, uh, the final questions

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that I like to ask people, um, when it's specifically to what we were talking about leadership and

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excellence and growth.

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Do you have any resources that pop to the top of your head where people, for people

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who want to excel in those areas?

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Wow.

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Um, I mean, you've mentioned a few times, honestly.

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I mean, John Maxwell is, I mean, he's kind of the bar in my opinion.

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Uh, you know, as far as, as far as like a figure, you know, books, you know, um, you

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know, talks or however you want to view that.

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Um, if you're not in the word, I would put that above John Maxwell.

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If you're not in the word, you know, uh, get in the word, get in the word more.

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Uh, there's not a playbook for life.

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Yeah.

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You know, um, it'd be great if there were, you know, like a diagram, like if this happens

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then this, you know, and if no, then do this.

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You know, um, that would be great.

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But you know, for us as, as Christians, it is the Bible.

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It's the word that is the playbook, you know?

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Um, so get, get familiar, more familiar.

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I myself am getting more familiar with that every single day.

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Um, you know, you can read the same thing in different seasons and get different things

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out of it.

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Um, so, you know, I would encourage people take it a step further.

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Don't just have a Bible, you know, uh, get a study Bible, get a, get, have more resources

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that are centered around the word that you know what it is that you're reading, you know,

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um, and that you're, that you're retaining it.

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And then again, in turn, you know, you're, you're allowing that to work out in your life.

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You're applying it to your life.

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You don't just have the knowledge of it.

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That's not what it's, that's not what its intent is.

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You know, John Maxwell, yes, get that knowledge.

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Let him fill you up the word Jesus, let, let, let him fill you up.

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But, but it's, it's a living word.

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It's, it's a, it's retaining that and allowing it to then influence, uh, how you live your

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life.

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Um, beyond that, I really, I really, I mean, there's so many good sources out there.

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Um, you know, I, I would encourage people to attend our church if they are in the area.

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Yeah.

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Our church does a fantastic job of, you know, speaking on a lot of these things.

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I would encourage people to step into serving, uh, because I think that we, we as humans

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learn by doing, you know, we can read all day long, but until you actually step in and

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start doing something, start doing a job, you started doing something.

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Um, I wouldn't encourage somebody to start stepping in and serving somewhere, some way,

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somehow, regardless of where that is and what it looks like.

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Oh man.

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That's so powerful.

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Oh, so we got the last question.

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We're gonna ask you of the night.

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Last one.

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Who would you like to be on here on our podcast on this?

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Who would you like to hear?

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Who would I suggest or who would I like to hear?

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Yeah.

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Man, there's so many beautiful, wonderful people that come to mind.

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You've already had a few of them.

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Um, I would, I don't know why this person came to mind, but he did.

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Actually, I mean, I know why, but, uh, you know, I would say Chaz, Chaz Dubois.

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If, if, if, if nobody knows who that is, I would, I would love for them to know who that

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is.

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Oh, that's a Chaz is fantastic.

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Um, his testimony is powerful.

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He is a, uh, a father figure of four, two recent twins.

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I don't want to take his lightning if he does come on the show, but, um, I would, I would

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say Chaz.

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Chaz has been somebody even in my life that, that God had placed into my life, even when

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I first started stepping into serving and he has, and he still to this day is somebody

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that is, that I see that, that he hasn't changed.

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You know, I haven't changed and we still have relationship, even if it's, um, here and there,

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you know,

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I love that Chaz is solid.

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He's been consistent in my life ever since I met him.

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He's very consistent.

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Absolutely.

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There's a couple of people who have been consistent.

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Chaz is definitely, so that would be my answer.

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There are so many names I could say.

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Yeah.

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Truly are so many names I could say.

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Um, if you want me to say more than Chaz, I will, uh, go for it.

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Okay.

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I would say, um, any of our pastors, any single one of them, um, you know, even so sometimes

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we forget about Philly cause it's on the other side, you know, pastor Eden, pastor Dion,

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even if you had them together or even individually, you know, pastor Kels, one of our former,

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you know, he's down in Atlanta.

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These are definitely people that I, that I think, um, if we could figure out how to do

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the distance thing, if, if they're not in, you know, in the area, they would be, they

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would be fantastic.

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They would have so much value added to this, to this, um, you know, podcast.

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Um, but Chaz is local, you know, in, um, you know, he's, he's kind of an elder.

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He's not, he's not an old man by any means, but, uh, you know, I, I kind of view him for

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me.

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He's older than me.

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You know, just, just by a little bit, but I definitely view him as somebody that has

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authority in my life, whether he realizes it or not.

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So if this is his first time hearing that, then that's even more beautiful for me.

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So powerful.

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That's awesome.

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We'll reach out some.

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Yeah, we will.

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Thank you.

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Well, well guys, thank you for listening to this episode.

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Thank you for listening to the whole episode.

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Uh, and also we would really appreciate it if, um, you maybe message Sean or I or Mike

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But all right guys, we'll see you next time.

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Love you guys.

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Bye Bye.