1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:12,320 What's going on guys? 2 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:18,560 Thomas here just to give you a quick intro to part one of this great conversation that 3 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:21,000 Shawn and I have with Mike Wallace. 4 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:25,120 And let me tell you, it's not a conversation you're going to want to miss. 5 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:30,360 We kick off by delving into Mike's incredible journey from his corporate executive days 6 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:36,000 to finding his purpose within the embrace of our church community, Amplified Church. 7 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:40,940 It's a testament to the transformative power of faith and community. 8 00:00:40,940 --> 00:00:46,480 We also delve into leadership philosophy, emphasizing Mike's identity as a servant 9 00:00:46,480 --> 00:00:52,120 leader and the nuanced aspects of success and excellence. 10 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:57,920 Guys, thank you for joining us for part one of this great conversation with Mike. 11 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:05,480 See you in there. 12 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:06,480 All right. 13 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:09,080 Welcome to this episode of Technically Short. 14 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:10,080 I'm Thomas. 15 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:11,080 And I'm Shawn. 16 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:17,840 And this is the most enthusiastic intro we've had. 17 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:27,080 We've had a couple of special guests recently, and this time we have Mike Wallace. 18 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:28,080 Let's go Mike. 19 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:29,080 What's up everybody? 20 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:30,080 It's great to be here. 21 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:31,440 Thank you guys for having me. 22 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:32,440 Yeah, for sure. 23 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:37,240 And like, we never, if you guys don't know who Mike is, I think a lot of people who are 24 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:46,880 listening probably do, but if you don't know who Mike Wallace is, he's come into our lives 25 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:51,320 through our church, just like a lot of people that have been on the podcast. 26 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:55,360 And he leads, leads would be the proper term? 27 00:01:55,360 --> 00:02:00,480 Yeah, leads, manages, the Inspired Collective Manager for Amplify Him. 28 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:01,960 And we're going to dive into it. 29 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:05,680 We'll dive into this a little bit later on. 30 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:10,520 But the story of how you came to the church, I really want to dive into. 31 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:11,520 Absolutely. 32 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:12,520 Absolutely. 33 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:18,960 You're an executive to unemployed to them working at a church. 34 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,960 And some people hear that and are like, what? 35 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:23,280 That sounds like a downgrade. 36 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,160 But yeah, we'll go into it though. 37 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:27,160 Absolutely. 38 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:33,440 And it's definitely not a downgrade, but we'll go into it. 39 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:39,640 We always like to start off the episodes with some exaltations of our guests because we 40 00:02:39,640 --> 00:02:44,840 want to have you on the show if we didn't really appreciate who you are as a person. 41 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:50,240 And we want people to know how we see you to kind of set the foundation. 42 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:51,240 Yeah, that's great. 43 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:52,240 Thanks, Ken. 44 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:57,880 Some of the things I think it's like what first comes to my mind, it's like you're 45 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:01,040 great at honestly, one thing that I noticed about you really quickly is that you're great 46 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:06,200 at exalting others and lifting others up and speaking and putting others before yourself. 47 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:11,160 And speaking, you pull out the good and others and point it out. 48 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:17,080 And you're consistent with who you are and you say and what you say is how you act. 49 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:21,840 You're a fantastic leader that we've got to experience within the last however long it's 50 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:22,840 been. 51 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:27,640 And you're honestly a great man of God through and through. 52 00:03:27,640 --> 00:03:30,640 I haven't, yeah, I love you man. 53 00:03:30,640 --> 00:03:33,640 I have nothing else to say. 54 00:03:33,640 --> 00:03:34,640 Feelings are mutual. 55 00:03:34,640 --> 00:03:35,640 Thank you, Thomas. 56 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:36,640 You got to brother. 57 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:37,640 Thank you for those kind words. 58 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,640 Yeah, what I know about Mike. 59 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:41,640 Wow. 60 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:43,480 Mike is awesome. 61 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,040 Why did I say he's awesome? 62 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,120 Is because he loves people. 63 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:48,600 He loves God. 64 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:53,360 He's keeping those two commandments God has us to do and he does it really well. 65 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,000 He's an amazing leader because of it. 66 00:03:56,000 --> 00:04:01,800 Because his focus is so much on God that like it just overflows to everything he does. 67 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,760 And that was like the first time meeting Mike I remember like a couple years ago meeting 68 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,000 Mike and I was just like greeting. 69 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,160 I was like, this guy is going to be really cool. 70 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:14,320 And then like we end up getting to spend a lot of time together doing other stuff for 71 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:19,000 like men's meetings and missionary trips and stuff like that. 72 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:20,000 Which was really cool. 73 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:26,080 But the thing about Mike is he just has such a heart for God and for people. 74 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:27,880 Like Thomas said, I love you man. 75 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:32,720 Honestly, that's why you're such a great leaders because you have such a heart for God. 76 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,000 It just overflows to everything else. 77 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:36,000 Thank you, brother Shawn. 78 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:37,000 You guys are making me emotional. 79 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:38,000 We haven't even started yet. 80 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:39,000 It really means a lot. 81 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,000 It means the world especially come from you guys. 82 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,000 Time does go by really fast. 83 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:49,240 But you know, I believe that God has put us together, you know, within our church and 84 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:50,240 here we are now. 85 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:52,800 I've never done a podcast before. 86 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:57,440 So there's probably two, no two other guys I'd rather be doing this with. 87 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:58,920 So thank you for the words guys. 88 00:04:58,920 --> 00:04:59,920 Thank you. 89 00:04:59,920 --> 00:05:00,920 Appreciate you. 90 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:09,080 Well, with us, we gave you an intro, but could you give a introduction to who you are? 91 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:10,080 Who is Mike Wallace? 92 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:11,080 Of course. 93 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:12,080 All right. 94 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,240 So I am Mike Wallace. 95 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,600 I'm born and raised in Pittsburgh. 96 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:17,600 This is my city. 97 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,320 I absolutely love Pittsburgh. 98 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,320 I don't think I'll ever leave at this point. 99 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,400 Almost did for a career. 100 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:30,960 You know, I went to school to be a teacher, graduated from Slippery Rock University after 101 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,960 graduating from Plum High School here. 102 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:34,960 Never moved away. 103 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:41,960 I found myself as like a super substitute baseball coach and was trying to find some 104 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,160 school district in the area to call home. 105 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:46,640 And I never did. 106 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:51,480 Fortunately, I had a relationship with my high school sweetheart. 107 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:53,000 So I wasn't really looking for love. 108 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,280 I already was in love with a girl. 109 00:05:55,280 --> 00:05:59,920 Megan, my wife, you know, so I didn't need to worry about that front. 110 00:05:59,920 --> 00:06:02,360 It was really just career. 111 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,240 My wife and I got married in 2015. 112 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:11,680 And around that same time, I was starting to close the door on my teaching book, so 113 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:12,680 to speak. 114 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:18,200 It's next to impossible to find a position in this Western Pennsylvania area. 115 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:20,240 So I needed to open up a new door, a new book. 116 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:25,840 And I explored the job world outside of education. 117 00:06:25,840 --> 00:06:30,720 And I found myself working for the same company as my stepdad. 118 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:35,020 I figured he's been providing for our family for quite some time doing what he's doing. 119 00:06:35,020 --> 00:06:37,200 So why not try my hand at what that is? 120 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:44,680 He seems happy and does pretty well as far as financials are concerned and a lot of challenges. 121 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,360 So I tried my hand at that. 122 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,640 And I did that for about seven years. 123 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:56,920 So pharmaceutical world, very challenging and rewarding. 124 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,640 I started out at an entry level position. 125 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:05,240 So if there's anybody listening that finds themselves currently struggling with that career 126 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:08,480 front, sometimes we have to swallow pride a little bit. 127 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:12,040 You have to just step into something, even if it's entry level, even if you feel like 128 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:17,720 you're overqualified and really learn the industry and get to develop relationships 129 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:18,720 with people. 130 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,440 And that's really just exactly what I did. 131 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:27,400 For those seven years, I went from an entry level role all the way up into a senior leadership 132 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:35,560 role, got laid off this February, found myself unemployed for the first time since I was 133 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:42,880 eligible to actually legally work and ended up interviewing with Amplify through the grace 134 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:47,080 of God and many people within our church community. 135 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:51,160 And got hired on in May of this year, 2023. 136 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,320 And here we are in November. 137 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:57,440 So that's pretty much, you know, long and short, again, still married. 138 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:01,080 Eight years married, 17 years together. 139 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:05,120 I do have a brother that's 10 years younger than me, he's 23. 140 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,720 And my parents both still live in the area in the house I grew up in. 141 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:12,160 So that's pretty much who I am in a nutshell. 142 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:13,160 Let's go. 143 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:14,160 Yeah, that's good. 144 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:15,160 Yeah. 145 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:19,720 And I think you know that like, I think I heard it before that you were there for seven 146 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:23,600 years, but I didn't realize that was the bigger part of your life and how big of a, I knew 147 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,960 it was the bigger part of your life, but how long it was there. 148 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:32,560 Like I'm running into, I've hit it already or past six years at the company I'm in. 149 00:08:32,560 --> 00:08:36,460 And I spent some time wanting to leave the longest time and then God kept closing doors 150 00:08:36,460 --> 00:08:37,460 on me. 151 00:08:37,460 --> 00:08:38,720 So I just decided to go all in. 152 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:39,720 Yeah. 153 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:40,720 Now I know that feeling. 154 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:44,160 Sometimes you just have to be obedient to it, you know, and if the doors are getting 155 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:48,440 closed, doors are getting opened, you know, that's kind of a tell, you know. 156 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:49,440 Yeah. 157 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:55,000 Like, um, as we move forward, like you, I give you the topic already, we've got this 158 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:56,000 topic. 159 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:57,000 This is the fourth installment. 160 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:02,760 I didn't mention this before, um, at the beginning of the episode, but this is the fourth installment 161 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:06,280 of the imperfect, imperfect, perfectly imperfect series. 162 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,480 I almost messed it up myself. 163 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:15,400 Uh, perfectly imperfect series and all based around the topic of excellence. 164 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:21,520 It's become one of my favorite topics, not just on podcast land, but like just in general, 165 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:22,520 like in life. 166 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:27,160 Um, and I like, I'm going to start us off. 167 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:31,600 This is a very broad and very broad and vague question. 168 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:37,840 And it's meant to be, um, but from your, from your perspective, what is excellence? 169 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:38,840 Wow. 170 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:39,840 Okay. 171 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:48,720 Um, so I think excellence is basically how you are measuring your success or failure 172 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:54,600 or how you are setting the stage for whatever it is that you're trying to accomplish, uh, 173 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:55,600 in life. 174 00:09:55,600 --> 00:10:02,640 You know, um, I spent the better part of my life, I would say striving, I would say trying 175 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:05,240 to win, you know, I am very competitive. 176 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:09,720 I think, I think it's innate within us as humans that we all have competitive nature 177 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:11,000 inside of us. 178 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:16,120 Um, but like winning, you know, wanting to be the best at anything that I was doing. 179 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:21,200 It didn't matter if it was board games, you know, if I didn't win the board game, I was 180 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:26,800 flipping the, you know, flipping the board game or, you know, quit wanting to stop playing 181 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:33,680 or, uh, you know, the, the bigger things like, you know, uh, career, um, making more money, 182 00:10:33,680 --> 00:10:39,360 you know, having title, you know, the next title, like always looking forward, um, in, 183 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:44,520 in not really realizing what it is that you have, you know, um, and just being perfect, 184 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:49,560 you know, and that's, that's not something that any of us are, you know, none of us are 185 00:10:49,560 --> 00:10:53,800 perfect, uh, whether we, whether we are able to say that out loud or not, whether we are 186 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:59,360 able to, uh, come to terms or accept that, you know, there's, there's only one perfect, 187 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:05,640 uh, being ever and that is Jesus, you know, um, and that was because he was not of sin. 188 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,960 Uh, he came into this world, uh, you know, by God. 189 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:15,200 So, uh, you know, for us, for excellence, um, it's something that we all value, uh, 190 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:19,120 is definitely defined different ways, you know, you know, and it certainly can change 191 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:22,280 and it has changed for me, you know, over the years. 192 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:28,160 I think how you measure excellence is really, you know, you know, determine what your definition 193 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:33,440 is, you know, um, if it's good enough for God, it's good enough. 194 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:39,560 You know, um, so that's kind of my, my measure of excellence now in my life is kind of that, 195 00:11:39,560 --> 00:11:41,320 that phrase, that statement right there. 196 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:47,280 Um, whereas before, you know, what's next, you know, what, what more can I do? 197 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:48,840 What more can I master? 198 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,240 What more can I, uh, learn? 199 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:54,640 How much more can I make, you know, that, that kind of thing. 200 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:59,520 Um, you know, and it's funny cause, uh, even when Jesus was here, it wasn't good enough 201 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:00,520 for people. 202 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:01,520 Yeah. 203 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,320 You know, so just take that for what it is right there. 204 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:06,600 You know, if it's good enough for God, it's good enough. 205 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:12,360 And it's just innate within us that we even, we even weren't satisfied with Jesus, the 206 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,840 perfect, the perfect being, um, when he was here on earth. 207 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:17,840 So that was, that was a long-winded answer. 208 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:18,840 That was amazing. 209 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:19,840 It was literally amazing. 210 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:20,840 Yeah. 211 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,840 That was a great, a great explanation. 212 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:29,800 I like, I like that, um, you went back to like striving for the next job title. 213 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:36,800 Like, um, and that, I mean, I think back to my, like me right now, my job, I've been there 214 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:42,320 and like, it took four years for that, for, it took four years for me to go from a junior 215 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,920 developer to knocking that junior off my title. 216 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:45,920 Yeah. 217 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,520 I was getting so, I would get so frustrated with them because I was like, when is that 218 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:51,680 promotion going to come? 219 00:12:51,680 --> 00:12:54,400 And I knew my boss was rooting for me. 220 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:58,240 I knew my boss wanted it to happen if he wasn't the guy that signed the paycheck. 221 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:05,000 And like, it was the, um, whoever manages finances, um, CFO, I guess. 222 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:10,440 But um, I don't know, but, but like, uh, there was something recently that my boss said, 223 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,520 and I wouldn't even think about this until just now, until I started talking. 224 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:19,540 But the one thing that like, we've just recently started having at least one on one conversations 225 00:13:19,540 --> 00:13:20,540 once a week. 226 00:13:20,540 --> 00:13:21,540 Yeah. 227 00:13:21,540 --> 00:13:25,120 And it's about leadership growth in the company and growth in the company and what I can be 228 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:32,040 doing to essentially be worth, not be worthy of the next position, but like, what can I 229 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:37,600 be doing to actually show that I'm putting my time in, putting the effort in? 230 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,080 And he said something that was interesting. 231 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:48,200 He was like, Thomas, I didn't think anybody on the team was wanting to, or would be a 232 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:52,560 fit to put into a higher position until you said something. 233 00:13:52,560 --> 00:14:00,160 And I think that's like one part of like excellence and growth is like kind of taking ownership. 234 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:01,160 Yeah. 235 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:05,980 Taking ownership of your actions, taking ownership of like you, what you say you want, you want 236 00:14:05,980 --> 00:14:09,440 to grow into something, but expecting it to just be given to you. 237 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:10,440 Absolutely. 238 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:12,000 If you don't mind if I jump in. 239 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:17,400 So yeah, it's we're, we live in a world currently where, uh, we're, we are used to instant 240 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:18,400 gratification. 241 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:19,400 Yeah. 242 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,180 You know, like even right now as we're doing this, right? 243 00:14:22,180 --> 00:14:27,720 Like we can just create this thing and instantly upload it and people can instantly download 244 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:29,080 it and listen to it. 245 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:30,080 Yeah. 246 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:33,760 You know, um, we are so used to that in every single aspect of our lives. 247 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:38,840 So when it comes to, you know, um, how we are functioning, things like career or things 248 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:44,840 like, you know, spiritual encounter or change within our hearts or relationships, you know, 249 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:46,640 you name it, we want it now. 250 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:47,640 Yeah. 251 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:51,000 You know, and that's the expectation, you know, so every single time we do that, we're 252 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,440 setting ourselves up for failure every single time. 253 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,000 You know, it's not, it's not up to us. 254 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:01,920 You know, it is in, it's in God's timing that, that things will happen, you know, and 255 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:07,340 for a reason in, you know, um, knocking junior off of someone's title. 256 00:15:07,340 --> 00:15:10,320 It's what you, it's what, it's what everybody wants, you know? 257 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,320 Um, but there's a reason why you're, you're in that season. 258 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:17,600 There's a reason why that you have that on the end of your title in that season, right? 259 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:21,080 And there will come a time if it's meant to be that it will get knocked off. 260 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:22,920 And if not, it could be the opposite. 261 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:27,680 You could quit that job, you know, you could, you could be let go just like that, you know? 262 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:32,480 Um, so I think it's important that our identities aren't rooted in things like titles or rooted 263 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,040 in things like careers. 264 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:39,240 Um, cause we, a lot of times when we think of excellence, we do, our minds automatically 265 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:44,360 go towards that because that is, that is how we, you know, are brought up. 266 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:48,760 You know, that's partially how I was brought up, which is, you know, going to school, going 267 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:52,880 to college, getting a job, getting married, you know, buying a house, having a family. 268 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,880 Like those are all the things that we, that's, that's what we know in this world. 269 00:15:55,880 --> 00:16:00,200 So, um, it's very easy to fall into that trap and, uh, you know, I just wanted to, to kind 270 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,200 of share all that based off what you just said. 271 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:03,200 So, 272 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:04,200 Oh, that's really good. 273 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:05,200 So powerful. 274 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:11,360 So, uh, my question for you, Mike would be, how do you lead with excellence? 275 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:12,360 Yeah. 276 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:18,200 Well, first and foremost, it is an absolute blessing, uh, in honor to lead. 277 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:25,400 Um, I apparently in, in, in my former position, uh, was a leader of leaders, you know, so 278 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:31,520 not only am I leading people, I'm leading those that are also called to lead. 279 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:32,520 Right. 280 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,480 So it's, it's definitely challenging. 281 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:38,960 It's something that I do feel that God has gifted me with. 282 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:45,640 Um, one of the biggest things that I would say to that question is, um, how you measure 283 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:52,120 to that is not by your own, uh, accomplishments or your own successes, like day by day or 284 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,280 week over week or month over month. 285 00:16:54,280 --> 00:17:01,080 Like my mission as a leader of leaders is to gauge how everybody else is doing, you 286 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:05,960 know, um, if, if they are being successful in whatever it is that they're doing, that 287 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:07,560 is, that is my success. 288 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:12,520 Like that is, that is what I value, you know, um, if, if that person has a good day or a 289 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:17,360 good, uh, a good moment or a good, uh, you know, a good service or whatever we're talking 290 00:17:17,360 --> 00:17:22,440 about, my mission was accomplished for that day, you know, so rather than having people 291 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:26,680 come in and punch the clock nine to five, you know, it's not about what they, it's not 292 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:31,360 about what I get down or, or maybe, you know, the, the negative things are very easy to 293 00:17:31,360 --> 00:17:32,360 look at. 294 00:17:32,360 --> 00:17:34,920 It's what is it that made their day better? 295 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:36,320 How can I make their day better? 296 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:38,440 How can I serve that person? 297 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:43,520 Um, servant leadership is something that I learned very quickly in my former position 298 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,720 that also translates into the church community. 299 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:49,200 You know, we have servant leaders, those are our volunteers. 300 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:53,880 We don't call our, our volunteers, volunteers, we call them servant leaders because that 301 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,200 is what we, that is what we are meant to be doing. 302 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,320 You know, we are, we are serving others. 303 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:04,560 Um, it's kind of taking the pyramid and flipping it upside down to where I'm not at the top. 304 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:05,560 Yeah. 305 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:09,100 You know, I'm, I'm actually at the bottom and you know, how can I help? 306 00:18:09,100 --> 00:18:10,100 What can I do? 307 00:18:10,100 --> 00:18:11,100 What do you need? 308 00:18:11,100 --> 00:18:12,100 Let me break down walls. 309 00:18:12,100 --> 00:18:13,100 Let me break down barriers. 310 00:18:13,100 --> 00:18:18,160 Um, let me get answers for you, you know, and if I, if I, or if somebody says that, 311 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:22,160 Hey, we're going to do this, just making sure that that gets done, you know, and if not 312 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:26,120 communicating, you know, um, so there, there's so many different things I could 313 00:18:26,120 --> 00:18:27,120 probably say. 314 00:18:27,120 --> 00:18:31,440 Um, the last thing I would add goes all the way back to my teaching days. 315 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:35,480 Um, when I was student teaching, I had a co-op that I was student teaching with. 316 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:39,400 And one of the things that he said to me, that's kind of stuck with me ever since is 317 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:44,160 if the teacher is working harder than the student, you're doing something wrong. 318 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:45,160 Right. 319 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:49,880 Um, and that, that's stuck with me over the years where it's like, of course, as a leader, 320 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:51,680 you're going to, you're going to be working hard. 321 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:55,200 You're going to be making sure that, you know, you're, you're, you're working your way through 322 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:59,720 your, you know, uh, your to-do list or, um, whatever needs accomplished, whatever we need 323 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,960 to do to prepare and plan and pivot. 324 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:06,040 But then what is, what is everybody else doing? 325 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:11,440 You know, um, having awareness of that and keeping people engaged, you know? 326 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:15,560 Um, so I think that that's, that's something that I just wanted to share was the, if the 327 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:19,680 teacher's working harder than the student as a leader, you're doing something wrong 328 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:23,960 and you need to figure out what that is sooner than later, because if you don't, you know, 329 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:28,360 um, things are not going to be excellent and things are going to probably fall apart very 330 00:19:28,360 --> 00:19:29,360 quickly. 331 00:19:29,360 --> 00:19:31,920 Can you actually expand on that a little bit? 332 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,760 Yeah, that's, man, that's a different take. 333 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:35,760 Absolutely. 334 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:39,160 You know, um, so I would say, again, I mentioned the word engagement. 335 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:44,360 So you want to make sure that you are challenging people, not overly challenging to, to, to, 336 00:19:44,360 --> 00:19:48,280 to set people up for failure, but including them, right? 337 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:49,720 Equip them, empower them. 338 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:54,120 Uh, you know, hate to say we're all replaceable, but it's truth. 339 00:19:54,120 --> 00:19:58,000 Like you know, I, I am no longer with that former company, you know? 340 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:02,240 Um, and the people that were in those positions before me, I replaced them. 341 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:08,240 Um, so you have, oftentimes you have a very short window to have a, have impact on people 342 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,000 or position or whatever it is that you're doing. 343 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:15,960 So being able to, in that short time, really be an agent of change, you know, they might 344 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:22,440 not be used to, you know, that challenging that you might give, but people crave that, 345 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:23,440 you know? 346 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,480 Um, a lot of times people want to know the why behind things. 347 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:27,640 Why are we doing this? 348 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:29,560 You know, not just how do we do this? 349 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:31,280 Why are we doing, you know? 350 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:37,480 Um, cause you can, you can teach people anything really, you know, but it's really what their 351 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,080 heart, you know, capturing their heart. 352 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,680 Then you, then you don't have to convince people of anything. 353 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:47,120 Like they, they, they're heart posture for whatever it is that we're trying to do. 354 00:20:47,120 --> 00:20:51,040 And it's going to force the student to then want to do the work, right? 355 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:55,040 Rather than me saying, all right, guys, turn your books to this page and we're doing this 356 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:59,080 lesson and this is your homework and it's due, you know, Friday or, you know, or Saturday 357 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:00,920 or whatever day it is. 358 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,520 Um, like that's, that's not going to get you far, right? 359 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:08,680 Or um, teaching to a test, like, Hey, we need to cover these things. 360 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:12,880 So you're ready to, to know the answers to this, right? 361 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:16,480 If we do what we're supposed to be doing and we treat each other in the ways that we're 362 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:21,520 supposed to be treating that where I'm serving them, it's, it's, it's just going to all come 363 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,360 full circle, um, at the end of the day. 364 00:21:24,360 --> 00:21:29,200 And the results will be there, you know, the results of like trusting the process, trusting 365 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:34,000 that, you know, people don't want to do a bad job, whether they're students or workers 366 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:40,520 or servant leaders or, you know, uh, brothers or sisters or parents or family members, like 367 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:44,680 nobody wants to do a bad job at whatever it is that they're doing. 368 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:49,680 They want to be excellent in whatever it is that they're doing, but then you have variables 369 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:54,520 that come into play, you know, obviously, and as a leader, it's our job to make sure 370 00:21:54,520 --> 00:22:00,160 that, you know, we're minimizing that and then having still working hard, but making 371 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:05,440 sure that they are working just as hard or harder than, than, than I would be. 372 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:06,440 Yeah. 373 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:07,440 So I hope that helps. 374 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:08,440 That's good. 375 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,920 It's a different take that I was not expecting. 376 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:11,920 Yeah. 377 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:12,920 Yeah. 378 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,920 No, cause like you hear a lot, like I read and I listed a lot of Don Maxwell, um, uh, 379 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,800 like his books and his podcasts and stuff. 380 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,920 Um, and they're like, his pure like definition of leadership is influence. 381 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,920 Either it's influence, nothing more, nothing less. 382 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:27,920 Yeah. 383 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:34,600 And with excellence, he's, he goes, he says like excellence, I think he, excellence is, 384 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:39,160 um, what he said, it's exceeding expectations. 385 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:40,160 Yeah. 386 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:46,720 And one thing, one thing with that, I think if it kind of feeds into what you were saying, 387 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:51,800 because it's like, if you're exceed, he said first, if you need to, if you want to exceed 388 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,400 the expectation, you have to know what the expectations are. 389 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:55,400 Exactly. 390 00:22:55,400 --> 00:23:00,200 And then once you find out what the expectations are, like, like then you can't consistently 391 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:01,200 exceed them. 392 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,560 And once they, like what the expectations now higher because you exceeded them yet, then 393 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:08,640 each time, yeah, you're going to be working harder and harder, but that's also going to, 394 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:14,160 like you said, it's kind of like people will see that you've, you've, you've, um, exceeded 395 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,160 their expectations of you as a leader. 396 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:20,520 So like they're going, like that's going to move their heart posture because they're going 397 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,640 to be, they're going to be like, wow, he actually does care. 398 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,680 He actually does. 399 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:26,680 He actually does. 400 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:34,160 Like I didn't expect, um, I didn't expect him to ask me about how I was after my mom 401 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:35,160 died. 402 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:36,160 Yeah. 403 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:42,840 And I didn't expect, um, I didn't expect them to ask me how my kids are doing. 404 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:49,600 Like it's like, those are small, like small examples, but like, yeah, just to jump in. 405 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:53,120 So sorry, you got me, you got me thinking. 406 00:23:53,120 --> 00:23:55,920 So yeah, like it doesn't, it doesn't stop. 407 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:56,920 Right. 408 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:57,920 Right. 409 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,520 Like there's not an end time on, on that mindset. 410 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:01,520 Yeah. 411 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:02,520 Right. 412 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:08,520 Like it's not just, oh, my work day is over or the school day or a church service or, 413 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,640 you know, whatever, whatever it is that works, that you're, that you're walking. 414 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,640 Like it's always, it's all the time. 415 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,560 It's everywhere. 416 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:17,560 It's integrity. 417 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,960 Like integrity plays really big into excellence. 418 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:20,960 Right. 419 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,160 And I think that's what I find integrity is it's what you're doing when nobody's watching. 420 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:25,160 Yeah. 421 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:26,160 Right. 422 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:27,640 Like, are you still the same person? 423 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:28,640 Yeah. 424 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,760 Uh, are you taking shortcuts on things? 425 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:36,040 I'm a big sports guy, so a lot of preparation, a lot of off season work would go into the 426 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:37,240 actual season itself. 427 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:38,240 Right. 428 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:42,440 And it's like, if you're taking shortcuts, then what is, what is it going to look like 429 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:43,440 three months from now? 430 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:44,440 Right. 431 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,720 We were in the middle of the season and it's like, we shouldn't take it. 432 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,120 They're shortcuts, right. 433 00:24:48,120 --> 00:24:49,720 Or that one person or whatever it is. 434 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,160 Or are you going to call that person out and say, Hey, come on, man. 435 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:54,160 Like you're better than that. 436 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,600 Like I, when we get to the mid season, like we don't want to, we don't want to look back 437 00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,320 and say, man, we could have went harder. 438 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:00,320 Right. 439 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:04,000 So like just to relate that cause I'm a huge sports and I'm, but it's the same thing in 440 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,000 life. 441 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,560 It's like, I know that these things are happening, right. 442 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:12,360 I know that maybe I have knowledge of that thing and I need, I do need to, I do need 443 00:25:12,360 --> 00:25:13,360 to act on it. 444 00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:18,680 I do need to open my mouth and say, even if it's after hours or if it's, if it's outside 445 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:23,200 of somebody that I usually interact with or somebody that doesn't report to me or, you 446 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:29,240 know, um, somebody that maybe I had an issue with, you know, before like being able to 447 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:34,800 have crucial conversations and agreeing to disagree when it comes to excellence is only 448 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:39,920 going to stretch who you are, stretch your character and stretch your relationship with 449 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:41,440 those individuals that much more. 450 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,560 So sorry, but that's where my mind went when you said, Oh, that's so good. 451 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,840 Cause I mean, you're not gonna apologize. 452 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:53,560 So I would like having, this is why we like having so like dynamically different people 453 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:57,000 on it's not just Shawn and I all the time. 454 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,880 Um, because he brings perspectives that we wouldn't have, we wouldn't have our own. 455 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,400 And you get, we get to grow because of this too. 456 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,600 And now we get to, and the podcast allows us to give it out to other people. 457 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:08,600 Yeah. 458 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:09,880 Um, yeah, it's crazy. 459 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:10,880 Let me touch on this one thing. 460 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:16,400 Cause like it's been on my mind, I've been thinking like for the longest time until you 461 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,520 just brought this up, that the leader works the hardest. 462 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:25,840 And that's the way I was like always thought like, and I know like the parts of why God 463 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:30,680 has not brought me to the be a higher influence yet. 464 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,840 It's because I've, I know that I take shortcuts. 465 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:34,840 I take shortcuts. 466 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:35,840 Yeah. 467 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,640 And then like God, God's like, Oh, okay. 468 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:39,640 You're not ready yet. 469 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,080 So he's just sitting me there, but he's still training me. 470 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:47,200 He's like almost like I'm red shirt, like red shirt where the other guys are already 471 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,240 playing, but like you already know that you could be the next guy. 472 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,280 The non-force guys know what they're going to do. 473 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:58,240 Red shirts pretty much like, okay, the rookie ready, get ready for whenever the starter 474 00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:59,240 works that. 475 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:03,160 So like, he's like, okay, so that's where God has me in a position of where he's red 476 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:04,160 shirtting me. 477 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,680 He's like, I'm learning from the best leaders of all time. 478 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:12,400 So that way when God puts me into position of leadership, I'm going to do well. 479 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:13,400 You know what I mean? 480 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:14,400 Yeah. 481 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:15,400 Being redshirted. 482 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,240 Yeah, no, absolutely. 483 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:18,240 Just quickly. 484 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,760 Um, like even Jesus didn't do everything himself. 485 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:21,760 Right. 486 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:22,760 Right. 487 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,880 So he could have, and he was the, they called him teacher. 488 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:33,000 You know, he was the leader, you know, um, he, he purposefully equipped and empowered 489 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:39,400 people to, to carry out, um, miracles and to do things on this earth that they didn't 490 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:44,800 think that they could do, you know, prior to him saying, you can do this and I want 491 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,480 you to do this and I need you to do this and I trust you to do this, you know? 492 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:53,000 Um, so I think that that's very powerful lesson for all of us to just, to look back and say, 493 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,160 well, what is it that, that the Lord has for me? 494 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,920 You know, um, even though I might feel like I'm redshirted or I might feel like I have 495 00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:04,480 junior on my title or I might feel like, you know, um, well, I'm just the student, you 496 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,080 know, I'm not the boss. 497 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,240 Um, I don't need to be excellent. 498 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,080 They just need to be excellent, right? 499 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:11,080 It's everybody. 500 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:17,440 And if, if you are a leader, that's probably the single most important thing is establishing 501 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,120 that right out of the gate or in trying to shift it. 502 00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:26,880 If it's not already there, shifting the culture, shifting the, the relationship, um, shifting 503 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:31,340 that trust, because if you don't do that, it's not going to, it's not going to progress 504 00:28:31,340 --> 00:28:33,640 to a place that is blessed. 505 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:34,640 So, so good. 506 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:35,640 Yeah. 507 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:36,640 Hmm. 508 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,480 And there's so many things that have been said that I want to talk on. 509 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,920 Um, yeah, for sure. 510 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:49,480 Um, the one thing that Shawn mentioned it and you said something too, but I can't remember 511 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,880 it cause I was listening too intently and then I, I forget things really easily, but 512 00:28:53,880 --> 00:29:01,000 it's recorded so, uh, but, uh, Shawn mentioned, like you mentioned about proximity and I love 513 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:07,000 that this episode is about, is about leadership because it kind of mixes it to, it kind of 514 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,600 mixes the two, uh, my favorite topics together. 515 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:19,120 Um, but with, with, with leadership, say in your life, um, some people say proximity, 516 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:24,080 uh, for Tony Robbins say proximity is power, there's proximity, people say that you're, 517 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:29,520 you're the average of the five, the five closest people or like you have your inner circle. 518 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:37,440 Um, as you've been growing through, um, as you, as you went into the, the executive role, 519 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:42,520 as you went into, and even as you went into amplify, what role did that inner circle play 520 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:43,520 in your life? 521 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:44,520 Wow. 522 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,520 Yeah, that's a really, that's a really good call. 523 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:57,040 All right, guys, thank you for listening to part one of this awesome conversation with 524 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:58,040 Mike. 525 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:03,720 I hope you enjoyed it as much as we enjoyed having the conversation and we know we weren't 526 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,520 planning on having a part one and part two with Mike. 527 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:12,680 However, once we realized how long the conversation was, it made so much sense to make it into 528 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:18,000 two parts so that as many people as possible listen to the whole conversation because it 529 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,080 will change people's lives. 530 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:43,080 So all right, guys, we'll see you next time next week with part two.