All right, welcome to this episode of technically short this is well, let's part two of
the perfectly imperfect series and
Just like last episode last week. We had a guest and this week we have
Josh Bailog what's going on guys? What an honor to be on technically. Thank you for having me on guys
It's gonna be an amazing episode. You guys are gonna be so excited and I'm glad that he's here
Yeah
So the way we typically like to
Whatever we talked to it whenever you have guests on even especially for what we've only ever had guests on for the first time
But we typically like to start with some exaltation. Okay, that's a big word. I don't know that means
Exhausting like
giving
some things that lift up and
How we perceive you how we perceive your person how you to be. Oh, that's so kind
so words of affirmation
Amazing should be like a guest
my goodness, um
but yeah, so
I
The way I do is is I just think of like three words that pop in my head first
Mm, whenever I think of whoever having and with you the first word that popped in with welcoming
Mm, and then it was high energy and leader. Wow, so welcoming welcoming high-energy leader
It's what popped in my head whenever I think Josh it
Thank you
From what I think about Josh, I think of a servant leader. I think loving very loving funny
athletic
Just all around a good person. Oh shots guys you guys sir
Wow
expecting this
Yeah
You're a good guy. Oh, thank you. I try my best, you know
um
So as we get in like the like, you know, this is a series on
on excellence
But before we dive into that you so for the people who may not know you that well
Why don't you give a quick like 30 60 second intro 30 60 second intro? Okay. Well, like they said, my name is Josh
I
Am I don't know current? I don't know how to really describe myself right now within the church
I run I oversee our middle school ministry junior. I
Part of inspired collective shot. I see
I'm 22 years old. I
Don't know I
Don't really know how to describe myself. I just like doing a whole bunch of things like I do have my own podcast
I just love like hanging out with people love being in the house of the Lord
You know shout out who needs a name?
Shout out who needs a name, you know PB and J if you know, you know, but um
Yeah, I mean you guys I mean I'm I've always at the church with you guys doing stuff
Yeah, I like working out love food love food fun fact. I'm colorblind
I don't know if you guys knew that I do not know that yeah, I heard about that once
It's a rumor, but the rumors true
Yeah, I think that's six will call that 60 seconds. Yeah. No, no, that's awesome. And yeah, that's a fun fact
I know. Yeah red green, baby
So as we move into the topic of excellence
This is this is a vague vague, you know
Open-ended question and it's meant to be okay
But from your own perception, what is excellence? Oh
That is so vague and broad
But I love it because there's that leave so much room for interpretation. Yep. So to me excellence is
Hmm. So in order to have excellence you need to have some sort of I don't want to say standard
But like you need to have a good goal because excellence is a is a sense of achieving something
Yeah, and kind of the nothing the absolutely best way pops possible
but in an extremely like good way, right and
I've come off come off. I've came a long way from having a performance mindset
Yeah, and so having that switch but still striving for excellence. Yeah has been kind of difficult to navigate
but to me excellence is doing something that I
Set out to do to my best ability giving it my all making sure I do it with a loving heart
make sure I use wisdom I use all my knowledge and
Yeah, just giving it my best ability not saying oh why didn't I did X amount and I needed five more
It's like I that wasn't that clean
But I get if I give him my all and I try my best and I do it with the love of Jesus
Yeah, that's excellence to me. That's good. Yeah, even if you fail even if I fail, there's always a lesson in the failure
honestly, um
How do you feel that you bring excellence to your podcast? Oh
whoa, huh, I
Feel like I would say me and also Brandon because we come at it in a similar way
We're extremely authentic our whole our whole like shtick is real guys real life real converse, right?
And obviously we're gonna talk about different things we have guest on or like whatever right?
But what we are providing to the people who listen is a genuine and authentic conversation about whatever the world
puts on our heart and
In that sense excellence would be doing my best to prepare whether it's mentally spiritually physically
Right doing my best to set up the podcast like technically wise, right?
With all that we I mean we talked about a little bit before we got started here
with all the different mics and the cameras and the software and then just like even during kind of making sure to
Like like even like Brandon will be talking I'll be like, okay
Like I'm hearing it and I want to like have a good conversation about the same time
How can I make this the most intriguing conversation?
How can I make this conversation like oh like what like what sparks in my head that can really just like send this conversation?
Into the next level. Yeah, while still keeping it while still keeping it at that genuine and authentic level
So that's that's how I try to keep the podcast excellent. That's really good
And going off that same vein of the podcast. I just just honestly it was this morning. I'll be honest
I listened to episode 21
The refining the refining process it came out yesterday
And I was going through and I
Really I wanted to pick a episode an episode
But I saw that title was like that is like a perfect fit. Mm-hmm. So let me find
So you mentioned that you're going through a refining process and then I said, yeah
So got a couple a couple questions based off of that. But first, okay, okay
Can you give a brief summary of what this process is?
Yes, I can't
Fun fact I actually had the title of the name that was a lot longer
Yeah, it was supposed to be everyone talks about refining
But what about scraping and I was like I was like fire title but way too long
So we'll just keep it there refining process
But for those of you who don't know what their refining process is is basically this process that different things go through that is under
Immense fire heat and pressure. Yeah, and what it does it brings all the impurities to the top and makes them all seen invisible
So then that they can be scraped off and be kind of made into this more solid and kind of this like beautiful state
Of what was before like covered in dirt covered in things that doesn't belong there
And so kind of pivoting because I said this on our podcast too. It's like, okay, we're not gold
We're not gold bars. So like what does that mean for us, right?
So the refining process for us is when God puts us through different circumstances
It puts us through different experiences through different trials that put us under pressure that may seem a little harsh
That may seem you may think okay. Why am I going through this? This is such a difficult time
I feel pressured not I don't feel pressured to do something
I feel like everything in me is being pushed to its limit
What is going on right and in those moments?
The the things that aren't inherently that God didn't create you with like say insecurities
Say different things maybe this trauma maybe it's just like it could just be something you're thinking about
That's just not the correct way
All right
And so during those times God will put you through those trials and those things will rise to the top
They're like easily seen right because if you're under immense pressure and you have a patient's problem and you're under pressure
Boy, are you gonna be really frustrated because you're gonna be extremely impatient, right?
so during these processes those sort of things rise to the top they're easily seen and
Then it's up to us to respond and take action on how can we how can we?
Scrape those things off of us. Yeah, that's really good
I think the story knows we're fighting that we're fighting processes that we go through we live through multiple throughout life
Yeah, it's where we learn it's and if we are striving for excellence. That's where the that's a lot of times
Those instances where
We learn we learn more about what it means for us to be excellent
Because we're like you said removing the things that aren't of aren't really there may be other flesh
But they're not of what we were created who we were created to be. Yeah, absolutely
But um
Sorry, I miss I lost my place. You're good
The fighting process is so it's so interesting to me. Like it's just a geek out of time
Because it's so cool because even like the stuff that is on and I keep bringing back the gold because it's such a cool analogy
When gold is like getting refined the things that are on it aren't inherently bad
Yeah, right some of the things that we have aren't inherently bad
It's just things that are holding back the true beauty that God creates for you know
So it's like in those things and I think what you said about excellence. That's really good, too
Because it's like okay, maybe I don't need to like what do I need to scrape off?
What do I need to scrape off like I need to scrape I need to scrape
It's like yeah good heart behind pump the brakes a little bit because you don't have to it's life shouldn't be about fixing yourself
Right. Yeah, it should be about enjoying it and though we should try to be the best self we can I think
excellence comes in that way with between a healthy balance of
Living life as a person we created to be but at the same time the person the person we created to be maybe isn't the person
We are right now. So how do we get there? Wow, they're really good. I think
I know I'm currently going through the refining process myself
And I think it's really crazy. I use this analogy
on the last episode did you guys all hear about I
Believe sometimes God will have us put like even like you like you said good things on to like this the altar to be sacrificed
Yeah, and the analogy I would like to use is like God gave me like this vision a couple days ago
And it was like like my pastor dream and it was like a fruit right and then he just crushed me
Oh, and then it came into this little seed and then I was like all sad because I was like
Yeah, and then I'm like, but it's gone right and then but he then he like let me know that like okay
I'm gonna plant this seed and instead of my little fruit that I was so excited for
That it's gonna turn into a tree
Wow, I mean so like and now that's way bigger
But it takes that me giving it up right? Yeah, so I love the refining process
I mean, I don't enjoy it. I'm in it because I think it's honestly like the worst
But I think what God is taking us
Yeah, it's like he has put all our things that we hold more than him and make it in an idol and destroying it
Yeah, and then we starting it. Yeah, then when it's finished and it's nurtured
Yeah, how God wants to do it it becomes bigger than we exactly. Yeah, it's like it's not a bad thing that you want to be a
Pastor. Yeah, but if that ever kind of starts to like get up with God, it's like, okay
No, no, no, but it's also so beautiful cuz I I don't know if I've said this before on an episode or not
But you can't be in love with the fruit. You should be in love with the root
Yeah, and like when you said that it's a good fruit is good
Yeah, obviously we love the fruit and we just it's something we're supposed to eat, right?
But that's not the thing we should be in love with we should be the in love with the thing that provides the fruit
Right. Yeah
so I think that that that's such a cool vision that God gave you because I can just imagine crushing it and then when he
Crushed it just all the seeds fall down and then it just makes this all trees. Oh, that's so cool, right? Oh my gosh
Yeah, and when I first like I'm in my head. I was like God why no, you know
What are you doing?
Asking God, what are you doing? No, what do you think you're doing?
Only you knew I'd plant you a whole tree
So I like me my me myself like I'm doing like I've gone through and I
It's hard to know for me. Like am I still in am I not?
Yeah, and like but I know I can specifically say when it's my when that refining season started for me was whenever I
Really started realizing I wasn't able to use my arms as best as I used to be able to yeah, and there was a
a moment where I kept trying to do things on my own and that's where that
Okay, like that's me. They like to my core is like always trying like oh
no one else is gonna do it right to do it yourself and
like and then as I
Started looking more into a how do I become a more serious leader? How do I become like a better a better leader?
How do I become?
a better version of myself
It was the things kept coming up or like oh
I actually physically can't do this thing anymore and I need to ask for help and that's copy God like like you
physically like he was pretty much like I
Think I mentioned I don't know if I mentioned this to you before but like my friend David Callahan
Like I just asked him like hey man
I supposed to serve this Sunday on production and you mentioned once that you might be interested. Can you help out tomorrow?
And he was like sure. Yeah, it's like and I was the first time I asked somebody for help with production
yeah, like that's how he got involved and like
I'm like and I started realizing like for me
The thing that God needed to refine and scrape off of me was my own self-reliance. Yeah. Mm-hmm
Yeah, I feel that one a lot
Especially that asking for help. It's like no no, I can do it. Yeah, I'll figure it out, right
I was like I don't need to bring someone else into this cuz they have they probably have so much stuff going on
You know and all these things it's like that
I don't need that like why would I even bother bringing someone into this and teaching them something and doing something good for them?
It like feels in the like in the moment. No, no, no, I can do something
But like I bet afterwards you're like, huh this felt really good. Yeah, cuz asking for help isn't a bad thing
Yeah, it's that you know, they've helped a great thing that came out of that was it taught me that I actually really like
To guide others. Yeah
It's like to show that I really like to guide others and like like I'm like actually not bad at it
Yeah, and like especially when it comes to something that like in production or like stuff and stuff
I really enjoy and like yeah, let me help others that know I want to enjoy it too
Yeah, and like why keep all that for myself?
But um based off of I had it highlighted
Oh, I like it's a get your notes out get your pens clicking guys take notes in it in the takers in history makers
In that in that same episode in the refining process you talked about
You can get how you can go left on you can stay on your own path or you can go right and pivot and beat and
And said and be bold and courageous. That's how I wrote it to be patient
So for our listeners, what does that really mean? Mm-hmm
So I think this is when I talked about on our episode. Yeah, I wasn't necessarily
Connecting it to the refining process, but it 100% does connect
So the way I was relating in our episode
I was talking about how when you ask God for something something more intangible not like when you asking for strength
It would be or not be that's I mean you can but like asking for strength wisdom
Like knowledge boldness all these things he doesn't inherently just give you those right?
What he's going to do is he get he's going to put you in an opportunity
He's gonna put you in an experience through a trial that's gonna give you the option to act differently
Mm-hmm, and this is where you have off you can turn left or you can turn right and I think with the refining process
It's the same thing because when we're getting refined it's before those things are like they're there for a reason
So we haven't done anything differently, right? So when they come to the top when they're noticed when they're seen
We can either like and I don't know if I said a or left but whatever you option one
You can act the same. Yeah, right. You can let it go
you can let it just like sit there and just be act the normal way and not change anything or
Go the other way you can go right you can take the option B
And you can act differently and you can choose to step out and say okay
Like this is an opportunity that I've prayed about and I know inherently I don't have this
Trait that I asked or I don't I don't have this trait
But I know God does and so and God is within me and God is my strength
So through what like with God I can get through this and he gets all the glory and it's through his power
not my through his strength and not mine and
That whole pivot is it's the scraping right? Do you choose to scrape or you just choose to let it sit there, right?
That's good. And this is something that like
I'm gonna try to make sure I'm staying on on this on the right in the same vein
But my my thoughts went to the conversation we're having with Michaela yesterday
Mm-hmm, or I guess for you guys it was last week
And
the
We talked a lot about like
striving versus seeking. Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah
because she was like she was like, okay, I was using she was like because if she said like the word striving can be taken in
Essentially a missed opportunity way a way that way that
People essentially burn themselves out because they're striving so much
Yeah, and she like instead you're seeking for God and say you're seeking you're seeing for God and seeking you're calling out
yeah, and
so like with you like
When you think when do you initially think of the word that you used it like striving for excellence?
mm-hmm, so like what we kind of already talked about excellence and
Wait, and I guess you already talked about excellence and what it is. Yeah, and through the refining process
We've talked about how?
strong how like the refining process kind of
Refines us and make and make and makes us
Into a better version of ourselves and it also helps us become also helps us become more
Not more excellent, but like helps us be able to have access to more of the things that
Yeah, so it's not like we gain all these things it's like initially like right you were first created
We have access to all these things. Yeah, but because of things done and all these things
We have all this stuff on us. So it's not like when we get refined
It's not like we're getting at the stuff is getting added to us
it's actually things getting taken off of us that then allow us to
Have the full I was gonna say capacity capacity. Yeah, the capabilities. Yeah that God has created us with I think is that where?
Yes, I got you. Thank you. Yeah
I got you
And
This goes actually perfectly in line. This is question. I'm gonna ask it all the guests and during this
during this series
With growth and excellence come sacrifice the other quote I am
Quick quote from John Maxwell
Growth demands and temporary surrender of security. Mm-hmm, and he defines excellence as continuous growth
Yeah. Oh, that's really good. So as I
With that in mind with the gross in excellence come sacrifice and what so what is something you've had to give up in or?
in order to experience growth
Comfortability for sure. Yeah, I know and when I say this people don't really believe me
But like before I started like before really gave my life to Christ
Like I was very shy just in like in public and social settings not shy and it's like I would
Wouldn't I don't like public speaking I wasn't good at it and I say that the people down there like what do you mean?
Like you're just always bouncing off the walls just screaming random stuff now, and it's just like yeah
That's what Jesus does you mean?
I had to really give up like the comfortability but really sacrifice like
Hmm I had to sacrifice
Knowing or I had to sacrifice the feeling that I couldn't change
Hmm. Yeah, and within that comes a whole bunch of different things
Like I had to sacrifice like being comfortable except I sacrifice like just like sitting back like I actually took the steps
To be bold to like speak out even though sometimes like didn't go the way I planned or I didn't say the things I wanted to
But I did take those steps and I and I and I moved out of that comfortability. Um, I had to sacrifice a lot of lifestyle things
I was living my life not necessarily in an ungodly way
But just like God really put it on my heart like last year like towards the end of the year like okay
Like there's these things on your life that you don't need like we're used refining me
Yeah to the point it was like easy things that were kind of scraped that kid
I just like scrape off right just like bad habits bad things
I was doing well not necessarily some of them were bad
But like some of them just like not what I was supposed to be doing
Yeah, so I was kind of just sacrificing what I was used to doing and it's like okay God
How how am I supposed to live my life now and that and I feel like that in itself was like a sacrifice
I gave up my own control of what my life was supposed to be and I was just like I
Want to live the life that God wants me to live so I want to in like I want to be doing those things
Yeah, and I like would convict me a lot and sometimes I get in my head about it because I'd be I'd be like
Oh, I need to do more more more and it's like dude you literally it's like you just ran five miles
You're like six miles ahead though, and it's like I had to kind of like realize that look how far I've came from a lot
Of things that I've overcame. Yeah, but I had to just really sacrifice like like I just I was okay with
Losing thing or yeah, I was I I'm trying to articulate this I
Sacrificed the feeling of like control in a sense of like, okay. I'm okay with losing this
Yeah, like whatever it may be whether it's a relationship whether it's a friendship
Yeah, there is friendships that I've had that I they were there were some of my best friends and for a season
I had to kind of just take a step back and
Thankfully like I'm still friends with them and like the friendships are like come back but for a season
And this is really good to first season
I had to take a step back just because like I mean you guys probably know you can have friends that don't have the same
Lifestyles you but if you hang out with them a lot and you're around them a lot
Then like they can start to rub off on you and all those things and especially
Towards the beginning of my walk with Christ
It's not necessarily the best thing for me as an individual
I could be influenced very easily when it comes to things
So for me, I had to take a step back and be like, okay
Like I need to create this foundation and let it solidify first before I can go back
Yeah, it's a now I can go back to those friends with a firm foundation and I'm not the influence. I'm the influencer
That's good. Yeah, so there's I mean I kind of just rambled there for a little are you're good. No
No, yeah, I kind of just like sacrifice the way I was just like thinking about life
I mean everything was just kind of going downhill. Yeah, and I was like, all right. Oh
How much worse can this really get?
So I just I sacrifice just yeah, I was like Lord you have it. It's yours anyway
So just guide me along this way. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, honestly
I I think the Bible talks about all bad company corrupts good manners
so I I think for new believers, especially it's so
important for them to go and find a foundation
Before you go back to your old friend
Because your old friends are going to be doing things that are not of God until they come into a relationship
Yeah, exactly. I know
It doesn't make those friends like bad people. Yeah, those friends aren't bad people
Yeah, but it's just when when you have a different lifestyle than them. It's just like you can make it something even more practical
It's like if they work in the morning and you work at night and it's like, okay
Like they want to go hang out at night because they're off work. It's like well
I don't I my life isn't like that. Yeah, it's like I can't do that. I can't do that, right?
But after a while, it's like you your lifestyle either might change or you just may become so
Accustomed to your lifestyle that you can now hang around them without like compromising. Yeah, I think yeah
You have to be able to and this is a hard line because you shouldn't be like, okay
I'm good and then go compromise right you have to have you have to have a strong enough foundation
Not to be able to compromise your belief when you're around those old friends. Yeah, absolutely
That's really good. I think that's something I honestly think that's that's way more practical than I think I don't know
I don't know if you realize it as a way of I think I feel like all three of us
Like I can say that you guys both said it were you related like you the trance any really too
I extremely I relate to that too where I know I'm high I
I've never really said to somebody other people but like I am
I've acknowledged it to myself that I am highly susceptible to my surroundings and like but at the same time
I go further like we talked about roots the further the further down my roots go with Christ and the further more further
I'm like further. I'm locked into that foundation. Yeah, the less I'm shaken whenever I'm around those people
Yeah, because they like you said they're not bad people. I love my friend exactly
Yeah, and like the goal is it's like to also show them who Jesus is and who like right?
It's not just to be around other believers. Yeah, that doesn't do anything. Yeah, exactly
I would does but
The genius didn't only hang out right who followed him, right? Yeah
Based off you were you're saying earlier like you took that step out
What caused you to step out? What was that? What was that like? Mm-hmm
I think what really caused me to sit like I'm trying to think in the exact like time
Do you mean like in what sort of way like when I was talking about being refined like initially when I like gave my life
To Christ or like more recently you talked about the way I was hearing it was something
more recently whenever you were whenever you were like
more shy and
Gotcha. So I can give credit to Brandon here because I just started hanging out with Brandon a lot and I was um
Well, I think what what it boiled down to was I just wasn't really confident in myself
Like who I really was and part of that was because I knew there's parts of me that I wanted to change
So I didn't want people to see that part, right?
But it took the brain and kind of not pushed me out of my shell
But he was he he kind of got me out of there just being around him. I mean, you know him
Yeah, I'll be sociable. He just wants to talk to people to have extroverts very much an introvert
I love talking to people but
introvert at heart and
What really caused me to step out was like one people like being like I see this in you
Yeah, even when I didn't see them myself into I don't know
Just I've never really been much of like speaking out before and a lot of this has to come with like public speaking
That was like the first kind of thing that came out
Public speaking whether it was like probably even sort of like announcements
yeah, I like hosting a game at like I see or like whatever and I was just given an opportunity and
I knew the people who gave me the opportunity
Like believed in me and knew I would do a good job
so knowing that I took the step and obviously I knew God would give me the strength and
It was something God wanted me to go down
so I took like the step of boldness to kind of just like step out of my shell and the first time I like got
Up in stage and like did like did announcements. What are them like preach the first time I preached. Oh my goodness. What's that?
Oh, that was not good
But I stepped out right and what that did for me was like it like in my mind
Maybe I did fail but inherently I didn't because I did what God called me to do and what happened happened for a reason
It was part of God's plan. Like that didn't happen by mistake. It didn't happen by accident
Yeah, like everything that happened in that moment
Happened for a reason and so if I can say to anyone listening like if you're scared to step out
Yeah, take that step and whatever happens is supposed to happen for a reason
Yeah, God's not gonna be like oh well
Like I wanted this to happen but like you just like didn't say the right thing
So like now we want the plan B
It's just like no you stepped out and you obeyed God's calling and he's like great
That's exactly like like good job. Like you you were being you were obedient
Yeah, that's all I'm calling you to do. So it really that helped also. I stopped taking the spotlight off of me
It's like yes, I'm up there and speaking at the same time
Like it's not about me a lot of times it was like I got like performance anxiety from the public speaking
I like school. Yeah, because it was like for a grade and so at that time it is about me, right?
It's how I speak it's the words I'm saying the content I'm speaking but now I'm realizing okay, it's not about me in this context
It's like what does God want to say?
how can I best say that without messing it up too bad and
how can I relate it to the people speaking and be a little funny while doing that and
Yeah, I just kind of stepped out in that way was confident in it and
Through many different trials and experiences and repetitions of doing it you stepping out just become second nature
That's good. No, I was going to go further, but I feel like when I start wrapping it up
But I have these questions. I forgot to ask them last episode but a
Couple ones I'm gonna wrap up with something. You have any final before we wrap up
Yeah, I
Was like we only been talking for three minutes
So was that to get the excellent excellence I like grossly excellence and so when it comes to personal growth
What are some of the like top resource if you if you can name any resources?
That you would recommend to people they can they can be either books podcasts anything
What would you recommend resources just for you say growing in excellence? Yeah, um
You touched on a little bit John Maxwell. I've only read one of his books on I started reading it
The forget the exact title, but it's somewhat of a long lines of developing the leader in YouTube point now
Yep, that's it. That's a really good one
I got halfway through stopped reading it and now I'm picking it back up
And I'm starting over just so I can read through it fresh. So developing the leader in YouTube went over by John Maxwell. Um
What else is really good?
I mean the Bible is full of knowledge if you want good for stuff for excellence read the book of Proverbs and
Look up
Just like a study on it like a really in-depth study. What else for for excellence?
Um for me, it's it's a mixture of like knowing things and also like being productive
I've been really trying to learn how to be productive. I don't know this guy's name, but there's this youtuber
His name is I think it's like Ali of da. I always know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's really good
He has a lot of good productivity productivity things how to like I was just watching this video on like the best like sleep routine
Yeah, cuz I think like overall like excellence. It shouldn't just be the thing you're doing say
I mean with us like church or like at our job. It should just be a lifestyle. Yeah, right and
Obviously in a healthy and balanced way, but I'm like, oh wait
How can I like use the best time like how can I get the best sleep?
Like I don't want to go to sleep and wake up like Rocky like how do I wake up and feel ready to tackle today?
Yeah, so that's someone I think is really good and another one
I would say is I'm trying to think of one more and think another good podcast
I mean you guys are an excellent source of content and just wisdom. Thank you. Yeah
I appreciate it. We appreciate that a lot
You guys are amazing with everything that you do. So that's it's just I listen to some stuff. I'm like, that's good
Write that one down
But I mean I have to sit here and think for a little bit. Yeah, I thought I would give it
Yeah, I'm just off of my mind. That's all I know
That's typically like what I'm looking for the thing that puts the pop-up first
That's the stuff that you actually like or the gap that that's the good stuff. Mm-hmm
Yeah, I've been didn't listen to a lot more like pot
I guess they're more interviews but like podcast interviews. Yeah people about like I just listen to all these with Collins
Yeah, that's a good one
And then just like I don't just hearing like different business people talk about like they're like they're
Businesses and how they do things is just really cool. So yeah, just I mean, it's a whole bunch of mix of things
But for the majority that's pretty awesome. I had one question actually
I'm here with the John. It's a really I think question for it's gonna leave a lot of people to success in life
Okay, um, how can you help somebody else bring excellence to the the next?
Disciple the next generation the next person that you're gonna like encounter like how can they carry it? Yeah
How can you hmm leave them?
I think so
Someone is going to pick up something you do because of like a couple reasons not just because it's
Mostly never gonna be because you just tell them to yeah, because that's just like I probably personally that just hasn't worked for me
so
It's gonna come out of the way I act and live and creating a special bond or just a
genuine connection with that person and said and being like hey like this is how I live my life and
Look at the I think one thing that's really cool is like the fruit that comes out of is striving for excellence, right?
God calls us to be the best person we can and within that he's gonna supply us with everything that we need and
If you do that with them
I mean I try to do with the loving heart with wisdom with knowledge with care and kindness and patience and all these things
and I think when someone sees that and then
They see the like I don't want to say the real you but the authentic you and it's the same person
They're like, whoa, that's like because if you see someone doing it and then on the weekend, they're fake
It's like I don't know attractive. You don't want to it's like that's just like I don't want to do that
But when you see when you see that and you're like, whoa, that's really cool and he's the same exact person when he's like not here
Then that's just something they inherently want to like become and it's not you
It's like your values in your heart, right?
And I think when it comes out at the end of the day is like where's your heart at? Yeah
I mean that's like a lot of questions it boils down to is just like where's your heart at?
Yeah, right if you have a good heart people are gonna inherently be attracted and they're gonna want to have a good heart
Yeah, I think that's what just comes down to that's good
I really like the parallels that are coming happening between these two episodes
this one of the last episode because
Because um, you meant you like if your heart's in the right place if your heart's in the right place
If your heart posture is right, then like you're gonna be going in the right direction
Yeah
And something that came in my mind as Michaela was speaking last episode was I like these quick quips
That help me remember things
Is that if you're if you're missing the heart you're missing the mark. Oh
That's good. If you're missing the heart, you're missing the mark
Yeah, and it's just like so like it's really like to the listeners like like where is your heart?
Like what like a lot of people say like you want to know your heart is looking you're making out
mmm, and like what are you spending the most of your money on and
Like because that is our the resource that we all have. Yeah, so look at your big look at your screen time
Yeah, it's green time. Is there a heart up and I think going to like what kind of Sean asked?
It's like where is your heart at? It's like yes
We want to we want to lead people to excellence, but it's not about the number of people we lead to excellence
It's about the heart we have and inherently it's just like we just want people to like have this and it's not because we want
to be oh I
Had five people yesterday say they've given their life to Jesus and they're striving for excellence and that's five numbers
And I'm great because it's five more people and that's what I did
It's just like no like your heart posture is just the love of Jesus and it that's just the byproduct
So good. Yeah, if you if you don't have the heart you miss the mark, that's good
And then to two final questions, okay, then well, they either just find out rap rap no questions. Gotcha
But yeah
First how can people learn more about you or your podcast who need to name? Hmm. So we have an Instagram
We have a YouTube and we have a Spotify all under who needs a name
I believe the Instagram. Yeah, the Instagram is at who needs a name pod
YouTube and Spotify's who needs a name with PB&J if you want to hear more about us we post right now
Our schedule was every Friday. So we just dropped that episode on the 20. What was yesterday? Yeah, the 27th
So we're back on a normal
Content drop there
About me. I mean I have an Instagram at
JSP underscore 34 if you want to learn more about me, that's pretty much all I have there
I'm trying to be a little more active on the Instagram try to you know
Just hope as many people as I can also just like express myself. Yeah a little creative outlet. Yeah
Yeah, I mean there's not much more stuff out there about me
I mean if you looked up I have a couple youth messages and I see what I said you can listen to really
Search it up there. But um, besides that yeah, that's pretty much it just on the socials
All right, and then final question. Who would you like to hear on the podcast? Oh
Who I like to hear on the podcast
Specifically with this series or just in general in general you can be in this series if you want
Okay, anything let me think here. I think someone
That would be really good on this podcast
And I know you know, I mean we all know him but Thomas, you know him really well pastor Ed
You're the second person to tell me that really?
Who's the pastor at Michaela? Yeah
That would be so good on this because I feel he just has so much wisdom
Yeah, and he's I mean just hearing him preach a couple times
He's so much wisdom and so much just his heart is just amazing. He's just an awesome guy
So I feel like just hearing him talk on the podcast would be awesome. Yeah, we love pastor Ed
Yeah, we will have him on at some point. Yeah, we already talked about
I assume he's the one who came up with this idea
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