Welcome to Technically Short with Shawn and Thomas. Alright guys, how's it going?
So we didn't mention this before and we decided this kind of spur-of-the-moment
thing, but this is the first episode of our Perfectly Imperfect series. Brand new
series. It's a series on excellence and growth and we actually had to Google, what
is it, to start it off, to start it off we have a special guest and there'll be a
lot of special guests hopefully within this whole series. We have Michaela
Mosley, Paradox and Perspective. Hi! Oh my gosh, I'm so honored to be here,
honestly. I was looking forward to this all day. I was like getting through my shift and I was like,
it's okay, later I'm gonna go podcast with like Thomas and Shawn, so I'm honored to
be here and be a guest, especially kicking off like this series. I'm honored and I'm
really excited for today's episode. Awesome. Like the way, I'm excited that
you were excited because I was like, I was like this, the start of this episode,
I started this series, like I won't go through how I came with the idea
right now because I could go on for a bit, but like guys, it hit me like a rock to
do this and I brought it up to, I brought up Shawn and Michaela, Shawn, yeah Shawn, and Michaela,
I forgot the first thing I thought that was wrong. And they're like, yeah, let's do it, love it.
I was like, okay. And so then I had like, I don't know, it was great and but the way I like to
technically intro guest after, you know, your intro is a little bit of exaltation of who,
like, who I see you to be, who Shawn sees you to be, and they'll go on from there. Okay, sick.
So, because if you don't, if you do or you don't know Michaela, like the way, the way I see
it, her is like, I have it written down, the first words that pop in my head were integrity,
consistency, and a fantastic speaker. So kind, oh my gosh. And through all of that,
the love that you have for God is obvious. Yeah, oh, guys, stop already. This is so kind already.
Okay, sorry. Let me shut up. You're good. What about you, Shawn? Oh, yeah, the way I describe
Michaela, I would say she is she has integrity. I also love that. She's funny,
wise, and knowing it. And just amazing. So what's the point? Oh, my god, guys, that's so nice,
especially since I'm like, definitely a words of affirmation person. I'm like, this is great.
Oh, my gosh. Thank you, guys. And so Michaela, just for the people who might not know you,
too well, why don't you give a 30 to like 60 second intro of who you are?
Okay, yeah. So my name is Michaela Mosley. I am 22. And I just you know, a girl who really loves
Jesus. And I really just love him and my life is completely devoted to him. And I like travel,
like to have fun. I love people. I love doing new things. And I love just like growing and being
stretched. So I have a podcast that I started at the beginning of the year called Paradox in Perspective,
which you guys already mentioned. I do that I have like two part time jobs, and I then volunteer with
our church and my church with all their church together. And yeah, I just love what I do. I'm
serving on a couple different teams and all of them. I'm like, these are all so great that I'm
just I'm loving this. That's me. I'm currently in Pittsburgh. I don't know for how long. It's kind of my
personality. So like move around. It's just always my relationship with the Lord is like, I'll go
retell me to go. He's like, Okay, cool. So kind of I don't really stay in the same place for too long.
But so whenever the Lord's like, All right, go there. I'm like, Okay, cool. Let's do it. So yeah,
just here for the adventure, whatever he's gonna do in my life and however he wants me to move.
That's awesome. That's definitely good. Good stuff. And so it will link her podcast in the show notes.
Thanks, guys. Make sure you give her five stars. Five stars.
Obviously helps the ratings. But speaking of the speaking of the podcast, one of the ones I was
I've shown and I both kind of pick out one or two. Yeah. And get to re listen to Yeah, the one,
the one I that spoke, I just kind of was going through titles like which titles speak to me the
most. Yeah. And it's it was if I love what I if I love what I do, am I doing enough?
And this being a series on excellence and growth. And you're saying you love it. You are a person
who loves to grow. In that you talked about ministry and how you how you how you see yourself in
ministry and how ministry is in all that we do. Yeah. So first, there's two part. First, what is
your ministry into? How do you strive for excellence in it? Yeah. OK, so that first question is a kind
of like loaded question. Yeah. Like, well, what is ministry? And it's like ministry can be very
specific things. But it's also like we're called to live a life of ministry. Right. So I kind of see
it in like two different ways. So the specific things like if we're talking about ministry
within the church, what I do there, I help run our social media for Inspired Collective, which is our
college ministry. So I do that. I also am a small group lead for Inspired Collective and I am on
host team for our city 6 p.m. service. So that's my ministry, like within the church. But again,
I think ministry just goes like so far outside of that as well. So I feel like my ministry,
my day to day life is to love people in a way that reflects Jesus and just like lean into love
and like listen to people. And I think my heart is I want to like help people see Jesus for who he
really is instead of like who they may perceive him to be or maybe like somebody has told them
that he is. That's like a misrepresentation. Like I feel like my personal ministry day to day is just
like I want to show you who like I know Jesus is. And he's not this like condemning like God or like
yeah, he's not like a condemning kind of like God that you have to follow this, this and this rule.
And that I think is what so many people think. Like Jesus is and I'm like, it's not about that.
Like let me just show you who he is. Like let me show you like how my life's been better because
of him. So I feel like that's my ministry every day. Just like, let me like show you love so I can
like show you Jesus. And I think the Bible it says that it's like he they will know him by the way
that we love. So it's like if I'm loving people then like it only reflects to him because he's
the creator of love, you know. So the second part of your question was can you repeat it one more
time? Yeah. How do you strive for excellence in it? I was actually thinking about this before
because I was rereading when you texted me like this whole topic. Also it was actually really
funny that you said that when you texted and you were like, hey, I think this is what we should
talk about like it hit me I know her because on Sunday we were at church and I happened to turn
around and we were like in worship and everyone's standing and I look over and Thomas is like on the
floor like writing notes. I was like, oh wow. It's like the Lord just gave a word to Thomas.
And then I like forgot because Sundays are always crazy. So when you said that I was like,
oh my gosh, that's so cool. So I think it was just cool that I got to see like the Lord downloading
that word to you as well. So anyway, I was going back to the text that you sent about like talking
about excellence and I was thinking about it and I was like striving for excellence and I don't,
I would say my strategy and like how I achieve maybe like achieve I say like loosely because
I think we're all like growing and changing but my strategy is to not strive but it's just like seek
and that's actually something that the Lord has really repeated to me especially this past year.
The Lord speaks to me through like repetition. So I've said this before on my podcast and just to
like French but like the Lord says something once like okay and if he says it again it'll like catch
my attention but if he says a third time I write it down because I'm like okay I know this is
something. Last year he spoke a verse to me over 50 times. This year it was another verse and it's
been like over 50 times at this point and it's Matthew 633 which is like seek versus kingdom.
All these things will be added to you. I'm like okay that's a good verse but like
Lord why are you repeating that to me? You know like there's so many other verses in the Bible
and he's really shown me this year what that looks like to seek him. And that was the first
thing I thought about. I was like well if I'm striving then it's like I'm striving out of like
my own effort to like achieve excellence. So I'm like if it's out of me I can't really achieve
like what he wants me to do because it's like kind of self-seeking in a way if that makes sense. It's
like well I want to do this and I want to strive so I can prove this about myself. But it's like
if I'm seeking just to serve him then it's going to happen. And I think that's not to say like well
just don't try in anything just like seek the Lord because I think there's a difference between like
us striving and striving and striving and then also just like seeking the Lord and it's not to say like
you can you should just sit back and you don't have any responsibility so don't strive for it.
I think we're called to like operate excellence in like everything that we do just as like Christ
followers. But yeah I think my posture is just like Lord I want to seek you and if I'm seeking
you I can't really go wrong. You know what I mean? So obviously I'm going to achieve what you want me
to do if I'm just seeking you and I'm just seeking your heart and I might not look like what I think
excellence is going to necessarily look like. I would say okay to put it really practically so
I help run like inspire collective social media right. So when you're running social media platforms
like that like Instagram Facebook whatever you're obviously seeing your analytics your insights your
likes your comments interactive like everything like that you're seeing that and some might be
like well you're only achieving and you're only like doing things with excellence if you're
getting X amounted like this or that and if that is my posture going into it I'm like well
Lord then this wasn't successful because this didn't get the right amount of likes or I didn't
get this amount of comments or shares that I thought or like wanted it to. It's like okay well
then I'm seeking what I think excellence looks like but for him it might be like excellence is
I wanted that one person to see that like I didn't care about a multitude of people I wanted that one
person to see that. So excellence for me in that area specifically looks just like being consistent
and like being obedient to like posting something or like keeping consistent on our page.
Kendall showed me the other day she got a notification that was like this person like I
guess Instagram will give notifications like this person followed you off of your reel and it's like
wow a silly little video that we're doing or running around making videos is like showing people the
heart of God and I'm like if that's one person we didn't get like 500 followers from that post you
know what I mean and if I'm looking at it from a number standpoint I'm like well then I missed the
mark and I didn't operate excellence because I didn't get X amount of this or that it's like
well then I'm missing his heart and his heart is just like what does it say like Bible says he'll
leave the 99 for the 1 so it's like I'm going to focus on like the individual as well so I think
if I'm seeking it from my own I'll be like pulling it off all short but if I'm like I'm okay with the
fact that like our likes might be like this number or that number it might not be what the big church
is getting but it's okay because I know because I'm seeking the heart of God that like that is
excellence. That's good that's really good I like those I like these little like quick quips that are
like easy to remember and when I got from what you said is that if you're missing the heart you're
missing the mark. Yeah. That's good. It's so good and like with excellence I wrote it down then you
answered it yeah I was like what what like in like its purest form what is excellence yeah it's
and we can say this as Christians like striving for excellence is what is exactly what God wants
us to do yeah it's like it's like you said it's not based off any rudimentary like thing that you
can count yeah it's like a lot of the times whenever keep this quick like a lot of times
whenever like somebody is like money's not a business yeah or even like the same idea of
social media because every business right now uses social media yeah and it's easily it's easy to
get discouraged whenever you don't see those numbers high yeah and you set your own expectations
of what excellence it is yeah you you said you set your own definition and when you set your own
definition like your definition is more than likely wrong yeah because there is only one yeah that's
so good I think that like when I okay so I've read the Bible through and I'm not like a Bible
scholar I'm not going to be like I know word for word like a Bible front to back but it's like
I've read I've read it like I don't I don't think I've ever read in there where we are recommended
or we are committed to strive for anything do you know what I mean so it's like that's just not his
heart is to like strive and strive and strive but it's just like surrender just like seek him and
again that's not being like oh you're using the wrong terminology because it's like yes striving
I don't know it's like striving I think can be taken out of context very easily
easily yeah I think it's like yes striving for me looks like kind of like putting a goal like I have
a goal and I'm like going towards it so I'm like striving towards this goal I'm like kind of like
walking towards this goal like I'm moving towards it but it's like but what happens when that goal
keeps moving forward and forward and forward it's farther and farther and farther and I'm like okay
well now I have to come up with my own strength it's like no we're never called to do that and
I think especially when we do that in the church especially when we're serving like within ministries
in the church whether that's like production or social media parking lot team whatever when it
becomes about like us striving to do something because it's like well if I do this every single
week then it's like well then I'm seen as excellent in the Lord's eyes and if we're doing it for that
reason and we're not doing it because we're just seeking him and seeking to serve him and then it
becomes legalistic which is like that's what Jesus came to like get rid of he's like I don't want it
to become legalistic I don't want it to become just religion and I think that's like still his heart
it's like I don't want you to do this just because it's a checklist just because it's like well if
I'm serving in the church every week then it's like then he'll say to me like well done good and
faithful servant you know what I mean yeah he's like no just like seek me and like out of the
abundance of your heart like move and start here you know what I mean does that make sense
that makes a lot of sense yeah no thank you for that like no I think like that's been me like
Shawn I know you probably have a question so I like you speaking a second sorry
um like whenever I like think of like and your guys are listeners are probably gonna hear this
again for me um at some point but like all right that's kind of been my like for me this this has
been a year of growth and I feel like the next this next year next this current season in my life
it's like a season of exponential growth and like the way I like John Maxwell in the one um one of
the episodes uh that I listened to recently he defined excellence as continuous growth
as compound of the consistency compounds yeah and so it's like it's not just it's not trying to hit
any particular mark yeah it's just consistently focusing on growing who you are yeah because no
matter where you're at you're there's always room to grow absolutely yeah and I think there's
I mean like the one thing that part of my mind where you're speaking that that will be done for
a second um he said this at some other point like he made a very good point um by himself he was
like I I stopped setting goals he was I stopped setting goals I never set goals and he is I I
forget the words but he said it the same thing in a different way recently um in one of the episodes
he's like I don't set goals I just focus on growth because the goals I would have set would just
fall in place yeah yeah absolutely it's like that's whenever I think of like we strive strive to like
be more like Jesus yeah strive to live that live that's not to an expectation yeah but live to a um
um hold ourselves up to that higher standard I yeah absolutely I think that's a really good way
to put it too it's like okay but what are you striving for right because it's like if you're
striving for excellence that's what I'm like okay that could get really tricky for sure but it's
like if you're striving to like look like Jesus if you're striving to grow like those are good
things you know what I mean so it's good yeah honestly man you guys know it I was getting ready to ask a whole
bunch of questions but also one of the questions I did have was like how can you help somebody else
raise their um standard to bring it to excellence
it's a good question how can I help somebody else raise your standard to bring it to excellence
that's hard uh because I feel like standards are very personal and I think that's something you have
to seek the Lord on um so I'm like my standard might look different from somebody else's I think
that's okay I think yes there's certain things that are like black and white but it's like
our relationship with Jesus is incredibly personal you know what I mean yeah so it's like what he
could be calling me to is different than what he's calling you to you know what I mean but I think a
good kind of like catch-all um and it sounds so cliche but it's just like ask him like ask him
it's like Lord like what I okay so something I've recently been doing as I'm like trying to grow
that's okay as I'm trying to grow like podcast stuff or like uh my child agency whatever I'm
like Lord would you um give me a deeper creativity to to achieve what you want me to and that's not
like Lord help like give me um this or that or give me the creativity to get this goal it's like
whatever you want the result to be give me the creativity to do that whether it's something I
normally do or something I've never thought of like would you give me the creativity to do that
and um because I'm asking him for that and I'm seeking him for that he's been showing me new
ways and it's like oh I didn't even realize that this growth was possible until like you showed me
that and it's like then my standard guess is going higher and higher higher like what I can
do what he can do just because I'm like he's doing new things in me so I'd say
seek his heart ask him be like Lord would you give me creativity would you give me strategy to like
achieve what you want like excellence to look like in my life so wow honestly heavy hitter she's
killing it oh man it's crazy me and Thomas didn't talk at all about the episodes we were gonna pick
we were gonna pick yet we picked one of those same episodes which is the the random process
probability of that would be like one into one sixteenth or something look at god
incredible like that's insane yeah um I think something else I was thinking about before
um because I was just thinking about like the three of us um I think all of us serve a pretty
high capacity like in the church and that's where our church has this um it's not like a rule but
it's like a recommendation that's like serve one sit one it's because if you're serving and serving
and serving it's like yes serving is good yeah but it's like if you are just serving and you're not
like sitting and receiving then you're pouring out of an empty cup do you know what I mean and then
it's like again it's becoming out of like well I'm serving every week because I just know I'm
supposed to and it's like okay but that's great yes sir but like also like you should be receiving
like he wants you to you know what I mean like yes it's a gift that we get to partner with him
to serve and to do these things in excellence and to um even have production for inspire collective
like I see that as excellence you know what I mean like that is a huge gift and even like I see
excellence in like our first impression scene like that's what Shawn does like there is excellence
when I look at that and it's like yes that we have excellence in the church and in our ministries
but it's also a lot of our people who are serving are also receiving and I think it needs to be
like that rhythm because if we're just like serving and serving and serving it's like yeah
okay but what is the Lord doing in your heart because then yes you're serving that's beautiful
but like are you allowing him to transform you or just like stuck in like well I just know I'm
supposed to do this it's like great you know you're supposed to serve but like what else is he
calling you to like learn and like do outside of serving as well you know now this that's
extremely personal to me yeah sorry no you're good uh because like you I'm probably I think I
mentioned it before like I had a year or so where I wasn't sitting in service I think we talked
about that yeah and like uh because I was either doing production at east uh or and then before
that to 10 a.m and then I go to 6 p.m but I was their kitchen yep I've been doing that for over
a year yeah yeah and because I was like I just wanted to do everything I could yeah and it's
like and then it got to a point where I was like if I leave there's a gap it's like and I like
there's this one thing that is really good thing that someone said but like I think I it worked on
me in a good and a bad way yeah um I think it was man Mandy who used to lead uh kidsmen um overall
yeah and it was a very great thing it's thing to say she's like she's like I haven't sat in
she's like the service because I'm leaving kidsmen yeah but the reason uh but she was I believe the
reason I'm not in that room anymore in that seat is because now that seat's for somebody else
um and like there's multiple ways that you can take that yeah
I was like wow that's really good that's why I don't sit in service anymore
I was like yeah wait wait a minute and like um like that like it took like pastor Christina like
five or six times to tell me to stop serving kidsmen for me to stop serving kidsmen yeah and
and like and it took like being around like people that saw that I was like Thomas you need a
thing like you just need to sit like I sat in for I sat in the service on holidays yeah when I
didn't need me and like I was I was never getting poured into yep and I I didn't really like I was
like I was like I this is what I'm supposed to use I was the one supposed to do yeah this is what I
like I like I love this I love what I do so like is that good right yeah now I'm with you like
and yeah I say all this and then there's like times in my life like I mean recently where I'm like
I'm doing too much you know what I mean like these are all good things and I love it all but I'm also
burnt out yeah and I'm like that's also not his heart and his design for me either and it's like
it's not like anything I'm doing is like a bad thing where I'm like okay well I can easily cut
that out because you know it's a bad thing and if I stop that and it's like then I get hurt a bad
thing and I'm like not burnt out it's like no all the things that are involved in are good things
so it's like well how do you cut out something good and it's like well Lord like if I cut out
something good it's like yeah like you said like then there's a gap and it's like well then if I
leave like who's gonna serve there and then like whoa there's gonna this person's gonna be missing
this or like then who's gonna say that or like you know what I mean and it's just like yes we
could put so much weight but it's like at the same time like is the entire kingdom of heaven like
dependent on you no it's not you know like it's a body yeah we're like the body of Christ yeah and
it was not supposed to like be one person it's not supposed to be one person like always serving
production or kids man or like on social media like you know what I mean yeah we're supposed to
be yeah there's like all parts of the body and it's like it's not supposed to one person stepping
away should not break an entire ministry like that should not be what it comes down to and it's like
if that is the case where it's like I leave then the entire ministry crumbles it's like okay but
then it was built on me in the first place and the world isn't really like built on Christ and like
I then okay if we don't have somebody to take that spot let's start praying yeah and he'll
he'll show up like he will provide somebody because his heart is like I don't want you to
be burnt out yeah so he can stand in a great so when we're like lord would you send somebody else
to like come join these teams he's like yeah absolutely like that's something you could pray
and like receive because that's just my heart and like me I my first thing I would think to pray for
with first strength to keep going yeah it's like our first response the first yeah it's like I don't
want to quit yeah but also I would say that like maybe we gotta like do a better job but as the
church as a whole as like disciple so that way it doesn't happen that way because like the leader
is supposed to disciple somebody else to take his spot absolutely as a good leader you know yeah
and I think like just that kind of even ties everything in like that's what
excellence looks like you know what I mean it's excellence is not that's just like a different
level of it it's not just what I can do but it's like okay but what am I building like it's not
just what am I serving him but like what am I building that like what can somebody else come
into I think that Mike Wallace I will say does a great job at this oh yeah like yes he serves the
ministry absolutely but he's also like building it so like if Mike were to ever have to step out
it's not like oh my gosh well our ministry is going to be in shambles he has put it in such a
great place where it's like somebody could easily step in because of the groundwork he has like you
know yeah that's so good the one thing I'm getting excited sorry um the okay whenever you say
something it's like it's like these words pop in my head and I have to write down something real
quick yeah otherwise I can't otherwise I'll forget and the thing you were talking about like these
things are good I want to do yeah I want to like for me it was I want to serve in kidsman that's
a good thing I want I want to I want to I want to serve on production or you could be created to
make your team or could be whatever I want to serve I want to be on the worst team but if you
and all the other things are good and like inherently good yeah but whenever you're doing
it to the detriment of yourself then becomes something bad yeah and the like there's a thing
and I love it it's the uh the good is the enemy of the great oh oh say that one again I think
no one needs to simmer for a little bit the good is the enemy of great that is a good that is a
great statement and like I feel like for those people who's like where it's like what does that
mean yeah what we're just talking about like the things that are good and if you're but if you're
only filled up if you're on all your time we only have a finite amount of time yeah if all our stuff
is just filled up with good things then when is the great going to come into play Thomas that was
fire wait that was so good that just convicted me in a whole new way oh my gosh wow that is
that's good that is like practical too oh that is good it's like and there's like very cliche
saying it's like too much of anything like too much of a good thing is like a bad thing you know
what I mean yeah it's like that sounds so stupid but it's like no it's like actually true yeah it's
like you know it's also a good thing rest oh my gosh crazy that like god literally created it and
we're like well let me fill with all like my time with all these other like good things but it's
like but rest is also good and this is also like what he wants us to do as well so yeah yeah that's
good um sorry guys sorry okay there's actually one more question I have written down here
with growth and excellence we kind of were talking about a little bit we touched on a little bit
but with growth and excellence comes sacrifice yeah what is something you had to give up in or
in order to experience growth oh um oh my gosh yeah something I had to give up um well I could
I think of two things specifically so the first one is like my wants and like my desires and like
my like what I thought I wanted my life to look like and like my dreams like I had to sacrifice
this yeah and I want to be really careful with that because I think some people could take that
and be like well god just doesn't want me to have what I want and like he wants me to like be unhappy
that's like not at all what I'm saying but I had a very very strong desire to move somewhere
specifically and that wasn't where the lord had me yeah and um I had to lay down and he gave me
down and he gave me grace to do that yeah but I had to lay down that desire to like pick up what
he had which was something else and that was growth um so I'll kind of touch on this quickly
it's a huge part of my testimony but um I had planned to move to Florida um for years it was
like all I wanted to do the lord ended up moving me to Texas it was incredible however it was
definitely the most um shaping year of my life like most refining year of my life like the lord
stripped things away and that sucked um so I would say I had to sacrifice comfort
and I also just had to sacrifice like myself if that like that's okay that's too broad like
who I built myself to be yeah like lord I was my prayer was and when you pray prayers like this
he will respond so be careful I was like lord just like rid me of anything that doesn't look
like you like you know replace it take it away like I just want to like reflect you and he did
oh my gosh was that painful it was a lot of a lot of growing a lot of me laying things down habits
I had learned um different responses like trauma responses I had that he had to strip away but like
with that comes bringing it up you know what he means there's a lot of things he had to work
through um a lot of hurt a lot of um unmet expectations that I had um I had to lay those
down and that didn't I don't want to say that and make it sound like it was so great like yes he did
all that and I like felt great during it and you know it was really easy like no it sucked yeah like
it really sucked and I was disappointed and I was like kind of I wasn't really like I don't want to
take mad at God but I was just kind of like lord like are you who I think you are and it just like
really hurt um because he was stripping some things away and now that I'm on the other side
of that not like we've ever like fully arrived at growth but now that I'm like he's done that work
he's done that growth I'm like okay well now I can stand here and look back and say like
Lord thank you for that one that your will prevailed and it wasn't mine because if it would
have been mine like all this stuff wouldn't have come out of this yeah um thank you for the work
that you did and thank you that like the pain wasn't for nothing yeah like and it never is with
him anyway like whenever because my life is like devoted to him if I'm going through pain it's not
for nothing like it's for something so yeah comfort like holding on to what I knew or like
what was just comfortable to me like had to get rid of that um even I think starting a podcast
like that was comfort I had to go out the window you know what I mean like I was like well I'm
either going to be comfortable I'm going to serve the Lord so like which one is it going to be
and it's like okay well let me step out of the uncomfortable he'll meet me but I've at least
got to start stepping and I think that's a huge thing that kind of is not what the question was
about but it's like if you're waiting to have comfort pre-step out you're gonna wait forever
yeah it's like he is there when you start stepping so like start stepping and like he'll meet you
like as your comfort you've got to start stepping so yeah I honestly think that was so like well said
and I'm I'm currently going to that stage right now where God is like stripping me yeah and then
like and I know what it's for but it's also like okay so what do I have to sacrifice yeah and it's
like what are you sacrificing Shawn and God's lately has put like my calling put that on the altar you
know that's like hard for me it's like but God you said I'm going to be this it's like I want to be
this and I want to be this and God's like you're making it an idol so now now that's good now I
have to crush it but it's going to grow if you give it to me yeah and if you obsess over it
you will have no thriving no success no none of that because I will not be there you know I mean
it's like so then like lately God's been putting like put the put the pastor thing on the altar
is like my god please this is what you call baby so that's where I've been at in my state of like
sacrifice your calling and everything because if you could get rid of all that to God if you could
give everything that you really were excited for your desires that was one of the episodes the other
episode I picked was your desires and distractions yeah amazing so like if you've sacrificed those
desires for God and you sacrifice the calling for God he will make it thrive absolutely and it's
like it's only good if it's given from him yeah you know what I mean it's like I'm doing it
because of me and it's like okay well it might be like okay but it's like but there could be so much
better and I think that like when I was trying to move to Florida it's like I could have done it
because we have free will so I'm like I could have just done it and like no I know you call me to
Texas but like I'm gonna do it like I want to do and I thought that like the Lord had called me to
Florida and I was going there too I was like I have every reason to believe that you did he's
like no I'm actually calling you here are you gonna take it or not yeah and I could have been
like well Lord I thought it was Florida so I'm just gonna go and I've been like okay cool you
could do that and that might be like good but like I've got better for you so it's like what are you
gonna what are you gonna go with so yeah that's that's good I think it's um I don't know if it's
like if it's I would say it's not necessarily us sacrificing our calling but it's like what we
what we thought our calling was gonna be like because it's like he still has a call in your life
oh yeah you know what I mean but it's just like oh Lord I have to lay down my expectation of what
I thought that was gonna look like because like you're gonna give me something better and it might
still be that like for you it might still be passing it might look like something completely
different though it might look like in different contexts you know what I mean yeah yeah wow
powerful the way I see it is like God's given us fruit and then like before when the fruit dies it
turns into a seed and God's saying like okay let let it die and I'm gonna make it way bigger than
just your little orange you just had wow it's gonna be an orange tree now like you know I mean or
banana tree or uh like corn corn and like into the field like it turns into a seed and that seed if
you give it to God after he crushes it becomes way more bigger than what you expected it to be
yeah and the Bible says like he withholds no good thing yeah so it's like if he's telling you to lay
it down it's like he's not withholding something good from you like if you're laying it down
because he still has good for you and what you thought it was gonna be might not have been good
he's like no I have good for you so like lay it down by the way like his good is way more than our
good yeah oh my gosh we can't even we literally can't even fathom it we just can't our minds like
don't have the capacity to yeah anyway no I think that's a great place to wrap it up I think so too
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