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Welcome to Technically Short with Shawn and Thomas. Alright guys, how's it going?

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So we didn't mention this before and we decided this kind of spur-of-the-moment

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thing, but this is the first episode of our Perfectly Imperfect series. Brand new

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series. It's a series on excellence and growth and we actually had to Google, what

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is it, to start it off, to start it off we have a special guest and there'll be a

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lot of special guests hopefully within this whole series. We have Michaela

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Mosley, Paradox and Perspective. Hi! Oh my gosh, I'm so honored to be here,

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honestly. I was looking forward to this all day. I was like getting through my shift and I was like,

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it's okay, later I'm gonna go podcast with like Thomas and Shawn, so I'm honored to

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be here and be a guest, especially kicking off like this series. I'm honored and I'm

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really excited for today's episode. Awesome. Like the way, I'm excited that

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you were excited because I was like, I was like this, the start of this episode,

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I started this series, like I won't go through how I came with the idea

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right now because I could go on for a bit, but like guys, it hit me like a rock to

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do this and I brought it up to, I brought up Shawn and Michaela, Shawn, yeah Shawn, and Michaela,

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I forgot the first thing I thought that was wrong. And they're like, yeah, let's do it, love it.

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I was like, okay. And so then I had like, I don't know, it was great and but the way I like to

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technically intro guest after, you know, your intro is a little bit of exaltation of who,

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like, who I see you to be, who Shawn sees you to be, and they'll go on from there. Okay, sick.

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So, because if you don't, if you do or you don't know Michaela, like the way, the way I see

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it, her is like, I have it written down, the first words that pop in my head were integrity,

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consistency, and a fantastic speaker. So kind, oh my gosh. And through all of that,

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the love that you have for God is obvious. Yeah, oh, guys, stop already. This is so kind already.

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Okay, sorry. Let me shut up. You're good. What about you, Shawn? Oh, yeah, the way I describe

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Michaela, I would say she is she has integrity. I also love that. She's funny,

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wise, and knowing it. And just amazing. So what's the point? Oh, my god, guys, that's so nice,

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especially since I'm like, definitely a words of affirmation person. I'm like, this is great.

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Oh, my gosh. Thank you, guys. And so Michaela, just for the people who might not know you,

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too well, why don't you give a 30 to like 60 second intro of who you are?

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Okay, yeah. So my name is Michaela Mosley. I am 22. And I just you know, a girl who really loves

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Jesus. And I really just love him and my life is completely devoted to him. And I like travel,

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like to have fun. I love people. I love doing new things. And I love just like growing and being

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stretched. So I have a podcast that I started at the beginning of the year called Paradox in Perspective,

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which you guys already mentioned. I do that I have like two part time jobs, and I then volunteer with

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our church and my church with all their church together. And yeah, I just love what I do. I'm

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serving on a couple different teams and all of them. I'm like, these are all so great that I'm

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just I'm loving this. That's me. I'm currently in Pittsburgh. I don't know for how long. It's kind of my

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personality. So like move around. It's just always my relationship with the Lord is like, I'll go

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retell me to go. He's like, Okay, cool. So kind of I don't really stay in the same place for too long.

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But so whenever the Lord's like, All right, go there. I'm like, Okay, cool. Let's do it. So yeah,

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just here for the adventure, whatever he's gonna do in my life and however he wants me to move.

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That's awesome. That's definitely good. Good stuff. And so it will link her podcast in the show notes.

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Thanks, guys. Make sure you give her five stars. Five stars.

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Obviously helps the ratings. But speaking of the speaking of the podcast, one of the ones I was

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I've shown and I both kind of pick out one or two. Yeah. And get to re listen to Yeah, the one,

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the one I that spoke, I just kind of was going through titles like which titles speak to me the

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most. Yeah. And it's it was if I love what I if I love what I do, am I doing enough?

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And this being a series on excellence and growth. And you're saying you love it. You are a person

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who loves to grow. In that you talked about ministry and how you how you how you see yourself in

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ministry and how ministry is in all that we do. Yeah. So first, there's two part. First, what is

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your ministry into? How do you strive for excellence in it? Yeah. OK, so that first question is a kind

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of like loaded question. Yeah. Like, well, what is ministry? And it's like ministry can be very

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specific things. But it's also like we're called to live a life of ministry. Right. So I kind of see

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it in like two different ways. So the specific things like if we're talking about ministry

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within the church, what I do there, I help run our social media for Inspired Collective, which is our

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college ministry. So I do that. I also am a small group lead for Inspired Collective and I am on

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host team for our city 6 p.m. service. So that's my ministry, like within the church. But again,

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I think ministry just goes like so far outside of that as well. So I feel like my ministry,

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my day to day life is to love people in a way that reflects Jesus and just like lean into love

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and like listen to people. And I think my heart is I want to like help people see Jesus for who he

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really is instead of like who they may perceive him to be or maybe like somebody has told them

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that he is. That's like a misrepresentation. Like I feel like my personal ministry day to day is just

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like I want to show you who like I know Jesus is. And he's not this like condemning like God or like

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yeah, he's not like a condemning kind of like God that you have to follow this, this and this rule.

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And that I think is what so many people think. Like Jesus is and I'm like, it's not about that.

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Like let me just show you who he is. Like let me show you like how my life's been better because

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of him. So I feel like that's my ministry every day. Just like, let me like show you love so I can

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like show you Jesus. And I think the Bible it says that it's like he they will know him by the way

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that we love. So it's like if I'm loving people then like it only reflects to him because he's

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the creator of love, you know. So the second part of your question was can you repeat it one more

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time? Yeah. How do you strive for excellence in it? I was actually thinking about this before

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because I was rereading when you texted me like this whole topic. Also it was actually really

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funny that you said that when you texted and you were like, hey, I think this is what we should

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talk about like it hit me I know her because on Sunday we were at church and I happened to turn

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around and we were like in worship and everyone's standing and I look over and Thomas is like on the

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floor like writing notes. I was like, oh wow. It's like the Lord just gave a word to Thomas.

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And then I like forgot because Sundays are always crazy. So when you said that I was like,

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oh my gosh, that's so cool. So I think it was just cool that I got to see like the Lord downloading

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that word to you as well. So anyway, I was going back to the text that you sent about like talking

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about excellence and I was thinking about it and I was like striving for excellence and I don't,

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I would say my strategy and like how I achieve maybe like achieve I say like loosely because

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I think we're all like growing and changing but my strategy is to not strive but it's just like seek

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and that's actually something that the Lord has really repeated to me especially this past year.

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The Lord speaks to me through like repetition. So I've said this before on my podcast and just to

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like French but like the Lord says something once like okay and if he says it again it'll like catch

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my attention but if he says a third time I write it down because I'm like okay I know this is

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something. Last year he spoke a verse to me over 50 times. This year it was another verse and it's

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been like over 50 times at this point and it's Matthew 633 which is like seek versus kingdom.

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All these things will be added to you. I'm like okay that's a good verse but like

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Lord why are you repeating that to me? You know like there's so many other verses in the Bible

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and he's really shown me this year what that looks like to seek him. And that was the first

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thing I thought about. I was like well if I'm striving then it's like I'm striving out of like

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my own effort to like achieve excellence. So I'm like if it's out of me I can't really achieve

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like what he wants me to do because it's like kind of self-seeking in a way if that makes sense. It's

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like well I want to do this and I want to strive so I can prove this about myself. But it's like

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if I'm seeking just to serve him then it's going to happen. And I think that's not to say like well

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just don't try in anything just like seek the Lord because I think there's a difference between like

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us striving and striving and striving and then also just like seeking the Lord and it's not to say like

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you can you should just sit back and you don't have any responsibility so don't strive for it.

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I think we're called to like operate excellence in like everything that we do just as like Christ

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followers. But yeah I think my posture is just like Lord I want to seek you and if I'm seeking

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you I can't really go wrong. You know what I mean? So obviously I'm going to achieve what you want me

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to do if I'm just seeking you and I'm just seeking your heart and I might not look like what I think

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excellence is going to necessarily look like. I would say okay to put it really practically so

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I help run like inspire collective social media right. So when you're running social media platforms

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like that like Instagram Facebook whatever you're obviously seeing your analytics your insights your

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likes your comments interactive like everything like that you're seeing that and some might be

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like well you're only achieving and you're only like doing things with excellence if you're

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getting X amounted like this or that and if that is my posture going into it I'm like well

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Lord then this wasn't successful because this didn't get the right amount of likes or I didn't

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get this amount of comments or shares that I thought or like wanted it to. It's like okay well

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then I'm seeking what I think excellence looks like but for him it might be like excellence is

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I wanted that one person to see that like I didn't care about a multitude of people I wanted that one

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person to see that. So excellence for me in that area specifically looks just like being consistent

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and like being obedient to like posting something or like keeping consistent on our page.

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Kendall showed me the other day she got a notification that was like this person like I

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guess Instagram will give notifications like this person followed you off of your reel and it's like

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wow a silly little video that we're doing or running around making videos is like showing people the

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heart of God and I'm like if that's one person we didn't get like 500 followers from that post you

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know what I mean and if I'm looking at it from a number standpoint I'm like well then I missed the

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mark and I didn't operate excellence because I didn't get X amount of this or that it's like

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well then I'm missing his heart and his heart is just like what does it say like Bible says he'll

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leave the 99 for the 1 so it's like I'm going to focus on like the individual as well so I think

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if I'm seeking it from my own I'll be like pulling it off all short but if I'm like I'm okay with the

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fact that like our likes might be like this number or that number it might not be what the big church

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is getting but it's okay because I know because I'm seeking the heart of God that like that is

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excellence. That's good that's really good I like those I like these little like quick quips that are

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like easy to remember and when I got from what you said is that if you're missing the heart you're

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missing the mark. Yeah. That's good. It's so good and like with excellence I wrote it down then you

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answered it yeah I was like what what like in like its purest form what is excellence yeah it's

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and we can say this as Christians like striving for excellence is what is exactly what God wants

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us to do yeah it's like it's like you said it's not based off any rudimentary like thing that you

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can count yeah it's like a lot of the times whenever keep this quick like a lot of times

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whenever like somebody is like money's not a business yeah or even like the same idea of

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social media because every business right now uses social media yeah and it's easily it's easy to

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get discouraged whenever you don't see those numbers high yeah and you set your own expectations

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of what excellence it is yeah you you said you set your own definition and when you set your own

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definition like your definition is more than likely wrong yeah because there is only one yeah that's

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so good I think that like when I okay so I've read the Bible through and I'm not like a Bible

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scholar I'm not going to be like I know word for word like a Bible front to back but it's like

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I've read I've read it like I don't I don't think I've ever read in there where we are recommended

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or we are committed to strive for anything do you know what I mean so it's like that's just not his

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heart is to like strive and strive and strive but it's just like surrender just like seek him and

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again that's not being like oh you're using the wrong terminology because it's like yes striving

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I don't know it's like striving I think can be taken out of context very easily

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easily yeah I think it's like yes striving for me looks like kind of like putting a goal like I have

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a goal and I'm like going towards it so I'm like striving towards this goal I'm like kind of like

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walking towards this goal like I'm moving towards it but it's like but what happens when that goal

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keeps moving forward and forward and forward it's farther and farther and farther and I'm like okay

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well now I have to come up with my own strength it's like no we're never called to do that and

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I think especially when we do that in the church especially when we're serving like within ministries

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in the church whether that's like production or social media parking lot team whatever when it

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becomes about like us striving to do something because it's like well if I do this every single

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week then it's like well then I'm seen as excellent in the Lord's eyes and if we're doing it for that

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reason and we're not doing it because we're just seeking him and seeking to serve him and then it

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becomes legalistic which is like that's what Jesus came to like get rid of he's like I don't want it

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to become legalistic I don't want it to become just religion and I think that's like still his heart

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it's like I don't want you to do this just because it's a checklist just because it's like well if

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I'm serving in the church every week then it's like then he'll say to me like well done good and

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faithful servant you know what I mean yeah he's like no just like seek me and like out of the

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abundance of your heart like move and start here you know what I mean does that make sense

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that makes a lot of sense yeah no thank you for that like no I think like that's been me like

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Shawn I know you probably have a question so I like you speaking a second sorry

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um like whenever I like think of like and your guys are listeners are probably gonna hear this

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again for me um at some point but like all right that's kind of been my like for me this this has

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been a year of growth and I feel like the next this next year next this current season in my life

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it's like a season of exponential growth and like the way I like John Maxwell in the one um one of

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the episodes uh that I listened to recently he defined excellence as continuous growth

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as compound of the consistency compounds yeah and so it's like it's not just it's not trying to hit

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any particular mark yeah it's just consistently focusing on growing who you are yeah because no

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matter where you're at you're there's always room to grow absolutely yeah and I think there's

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I mean like the one thing that part of my mind where you're speaking that that will be done for

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a second um he said this at some other point like he made a very good point um by himself he was

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like I I stopped setting goals he was I stopped setting goals I never set goals and he is I I

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forget the words but he said it the same thing in a different way recently um in one of the episodes

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he's like I don't set goals I just focus on growth because the goals I would have set would just

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fall in place yeah yeah absolutely it's like that's whenever I think of like we strive strive to like

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be more like Jesus yeah strive to live that live that's not to an expectation yeah but live to a um

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um hold ourselves up to that higher standard I yeah absolutely I think that's a really good way

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to put it too it's like okay but what are you striving for right because it's like if you're

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striving for excellence that's what I'm like okay that could get really tricky for sure but it's

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like if you're striving to like look like Jesus if you're striving to grow like those are good

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things you know what I mean so it's good yeah honestly man you guys know it I was getting ready to ask a whole

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bunch of questions but also one of the questions I did have was like how can you help somebody else

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raise their um standard to bring it to excellence

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it's a good question how can I help somebody else raise your standard to bring it to excellence

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that's hard uh because I feel like standards are very personal and I think that's something you have

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to seek the Lord on um so I'm like my standard might look different from somebody else's I think

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that's okay I think yes there's certain things that are like black and white but it's like

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our relationship with Jesus is incredibly personal you know what I mean yeah so it's like what he

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could be calling me to is different than what he's calling you to you know what I mean but I think a

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good kind of like catch-all um and it sounds so cliche but it's just like ask him like ask him

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it's like Lord like what I okay so something I've recently been doing as I'm like trying to grow

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that's okay as I'm trying to grow like podcast stuff or like uh my child agency whatever I'm

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like Lord would you um give me a deeper creativity to to achieve what you want me to and that's not

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like Lord help like give me um this or that or give me the creativity to get this goal it's like

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whatever you want the result to be give me the creativity to do that whether it's something I

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normally do or something I've never thought of like would you give me the creativity to do that

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and um because I'm asking him for that and I'm seeking him for that he's been showing me new

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ways and it's like oh I didn't even realize that this growth was possible until like you showed me

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that and it's like then my standard guess is going higher and higher higher like what I can

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do what he can do just because I'm like he's doing new things in me so I'd say

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seek his heart ask him be like Lord would you give me creativity would you give me strategy to like

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achieve what you want like excellence to look like in my life so wow honestly heavy hitter she's

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killing it oh man it's crazy me and Thomas didn't talk at all about the episodes we were gonna pick

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we were gonna pick yet we picked one of those same episodes which is the the random process

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probability of that would be like one into one sixteenth or something look at god

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incredible like that's insane yeah um I think something else I was thinking about before

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um because I was just thinking about like the three of us um I think all of us serve a pretty

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high capacity like in the church and that's where our church has this um it's not like a rule but

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it's like a recommendation that's like serve one sit one it's because if you're serving and serving

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and serving it's like yes serving is good yeah but it's like if you are just serving and you're not

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like sitting and receiving then you're pouring out of an empty cup do you know what I mean and then

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it's like again it's becoming out of like well I'm serving every week because I just know I'm

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supposed to and it's like okay but that's great yes sir but like also like you should be receiving

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like he wants you to you know what I mean like yes it's a gift that we get to partner with him

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to serve and to do these things in excellence and to um even have production for inspire collective

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like I see that as excellence you know what I mean like that is a huge gift and even like I see

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excellence in like our first impression scene like that's what Shawn does like there is excellence

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when I look at that and it's like yes that we have excellence in the church and in our ministries

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but it's also a lot of our people who are serving are also receiving and I think it needs to be

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like that rhythm because if we're just like serving and serving and serving it's like yeah

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okay but what is the Lord doing in your heart because then yes you're serving that's beautiful

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but like are you allowing him to transform you or just like stuck in like well I just know I'm

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supposed to do this it's like great you know you're supposed to serve but like what else is he

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calling you to like learn and like do outside of serving as well you know now this that's

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extremely personal to me yeah sorry no you're good uh because like you I'm probably I think I

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mentioned it before like I had a year or so where I wasn't sitting in service I think we talked

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about that yeah and like uh because I was either doing production at east uh or and then before

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that to 10 a.m and then I go to 6 p.m but I was their kitchen yep I've been doing that for over

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a year yeah yeah and because I was like I just wanted to do everything I could yeah and it's

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like and then it got to a point where I was like if I leave there's a gap it's like and I like

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there's this one thing that is really good thing that someone said but like I think I it worked on

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me in a good and a bad way yeah um I think it was man Mandy who used to lead uh kidsmen um overall

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yeah and it was a very great thing it's thing to say she's like she's like I haven't sat in

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she's like the service because I'm leaving kidsmen yeah but the reason uh but she was I believe the

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reason I'm not in that room anymore in that seat is because now that seat's for somebody else

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um and like there's multiple ways that you can take that yeah

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I was like wow that's really good that's why I don't sit in service anymore

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I was like yeah wait wait a minute and like um like that like it took like pastor Christina like

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five or six times to tell me to stop serving kidsmen for me to stop serving kidsmen yeah and

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and like and it took like being around like people that saw that I was like Thomas you need a

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thing like you just need to sit like I sat in for I sat in the service on holidays yeah when I

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didn't need me and like I was I was never getting poured into yep and I I didn't really like I was

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like I was like I this is what I'm supposed to use I was the one supposed to do yeah this is what I

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like I like I love this I love what I do so like is that good right yeah now I'm with you like

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and yeah I say all this and then there's like times in my life like I mean recently where I'm like

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I'm doing too much you know what I mean like these are all good things and I love it all but I'm also

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burnt out yeah and I'm like that's also not his heart and his design for me either and it's like

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it's not like anything I'm doing is like a bad thing where I'm like okay well I can easily cut

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that out because you know it's a bad thing and if I stop that and it's like then I get hurt a bad

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thing and I'm like not burnt out it's like no all the things that are involved in are good things

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so it's like well how do you cut out something good and it's like well Lord like if I cut out

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something good it's like yeah like you said like then there's a gap and it's like well then if I

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leave like who's gonna serve there and then like whoa there's gonna this person's gonna be missing

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this or like then who's gonna say that or like you know what I mean and it's just like yes we

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could put so much weight but it's like at the same time like is the entire kingdom of heaven like

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dependent on you no it's not you know like it's a body yeah we're like the body of Christ yeah and

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it was not supposed to like be one person it's not supposed to be one person like always serving

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production or kids man or like on social media like you know what I mean yeah we're supposed to

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be yeah there's like all parts of the body and it's like it's not supposed to one person stepping

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away should not break an entire ministry like that should not be what it comes down to and it's like

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if that is the case where it's like I leave then the entire ministry crumbles it's like okay but

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then it was built on me in the first place and the world isn't really like built on Christ and like

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I then okay if we don't have somebody to take that spot let's start praying yeah and he'll

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he'll show up like he will provide somebody because his heart is like I don't want you to

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be burnt out yeah so he can stand in a great so when we're like lord would you send somebody else

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to like come join these teams he's like yeah absolutely like that's something you could pray

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and like receive because that's just my heart and like me I my first thing I would think to pray for

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with first strength to keep going yeah it's like our first response the first yeah it's like I don't

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want to quit yeah but also I would say that like maybe we gotta like do a better job but as the

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church as a whole as like disciple so that way it doesn't happen that way because like the leader

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is supposed to disciple somebody else to take his spot absolutely as a good leader you know yeah

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and I think like just that kind of even ties everything in like that's what

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excellence looks like you know what I mean it's excellence is not that's just like a different

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level of it it's not just what I can do but it's like okay but what am I building like it's not

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just what am I serving him but like what am I building that like what can somebody else come

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into I think that Mike Wallace I will say does a great job at this oh yeah like yes he serves the

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ministry absolutely but he's also like building it so like if Mike were to ever have to step out

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it's not like oh my gosh well our ministry is going to be in shambles he has put it in such a

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great place where it's like somebody could easily step in because of the groundwork he has like you

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know yeah that's so good the one thing I'm getting excited sorry um the okay whenever you say

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something it's like it's like these words pop in my head and I have to write down something real

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quick yeah otherwise I can't otherwise I'll forget and the thing you were talking about like these

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things are good I want to do yeah I want to like for me it was I want to serve in kidsman that's

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a good thing I want I want to I want to I want to serve on production or you could be created to

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make your team or could be whatever I want to serve I want to be on the worst team but if you

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and all the other things are good and like inherently good yeah but whenever you're doing

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it to the detriment of yourself then becomes something bad yeah and the like there's a thing

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and I love it it's the uh the good is the enemy of the great oh oh say that one again I think

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no one needs to simmer for a little bit the good is the enemy of great that is a good that is a

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great statement and like I feel like for those people who's like where it's like what does that

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mean yeah what we're just talking about like the things that are good and if you're but if you're

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only filled up if you're on all your time we only have a finite amount of time yeah if all our stuff

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is just filled up with good things then when is the great going to come into play Thomas that was

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fire wait that was so good that just convicted me in a whole new way oh my gosh wow that is

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that's good that is like practical too oh that is good it's like and there's like very cliche

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saying it's like too much of anything like too much of a good thing is like a bad thing you know

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what I mean yeah it's like that sounds so stupid but it's like no it's like actually true yeah it's

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like you know it's also a good thing rest oh my gosh crazy that like god literally created it and

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we're like well let me fill with all like my time with all these other like good things but it's

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like but rest is also good and this is also like what he wants us to do as well so yeah yeah that's

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good um sorry guys sorry okay there's actually one more question I have written down here

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with growth and excellence we kind of were talking about a little bit we touched on a little bit

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but with growth and excellence comes sacrifice yeah what is something you had to give up in or

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in order to experience growth oh um oh my gosh yeah something I had to give up um well I could

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I think of two things specifically so the first one is like my wants and like my desires and like

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my like what I thought I wanted my life to look like and like my dreams like I had to sacrifice

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this yeah and I want to be really careful with that because I think some people could take that

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and be like well god just doesn't want me to have what I want and like he wants me to like be unhappy

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that's like not at all what I'm saying but I had a very very strong desire to move somewhere

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specifically and that wasn't where the lord had me yeah and um I had to lay down and he gave me

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down and he gave me grace to do that yeah but I had to lay down that desire to like pick up what

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he had which was something else and that was growth um so I'll kind of touch on this quickly

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it's a huge part of my testimony but um I had planned to move to Florida um for years it was

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like all I wanted to do the lord ended up moving me to Texas it was incredible however it was

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definitely the most um shaping year of my life like most refining year of my life like the lord

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stripped things away and that sucked um so I would say I had to sacrifice comfort

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and I also just had to sacrifice like myself if that like that's okay that's too broad like

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who I built myself to be yeah like lord I was my prayer was and when you pray prayers like this

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he will respond so be careful I was like lord just like rid me of anything that doesn't look

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like you like you know replace it take it away like I just want to like reflect you and he did

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oh my gosh was that painful it was a lot of a lot of growing a lot of me laying things down habits

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I had learned um different responses like trauma responses I had that he had to strip away but like

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with that comes bringing it up you know what he means there's a lot of things he had to work

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through um a lot of hurt a lot of um unmet expectations that I had um I had to lay those

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down and that didn't I don't want to say that and make it sound like it was so great like yes he did

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all that and I like felt great during it and you know it was really easy like no it sucked yeah like

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it really sucked and I was disappointed and I was like kind of I wasn't really like I don't want to

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take mad at God but I was just kind of like lord like are you who I think you are and it just like

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really hurt um because he was stripping some things away and now that I'm on the other side

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of that not like we've ever like fully arrived at growth but now that I'm like he's done that work

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he's done that growth I'm like okay well now I can stand here and look back and say like

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Lord thank you for that one that your will prevailed and it wasn't mine because if it would

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have been mine like all this stuff wouldn't have come out of this yeah um thank you for the work

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that you did and thank you that like the pain wasn't for nothing yeah like and it never is with

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him anyway like whenever because my life is like devoted to him if I'm going through pain it's not

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for nothing like it's for something so yeah comfort like holding on to what I knew or like

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what was just comfortable to me like had to get rid of that um even I think starting a podcast

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like that was comfort I had to go out the window you know what I mean like I was like well I'm

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either going to be comfortable I'm going to serve the Lord so like which one is it going to be

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and it's like okay well let me step out of the uncomfortable he'll meet me but I've at least

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got to start stepping and I think that's a huge thing that kind of is not what the question was

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about but it's like if you're waiting to have comfort pre-step out you're gonna wait forever

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yeah it's like he is there when you start stepping so like start stepping and like he'll meet you

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like as your comfort you've got to start stepping so yeah I honestly think that was so like well said

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and I'm I'm currently going to that stage right now where God is like stripping me yeah and then

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like and I know what it's for but it's also like okay so what do I have to sacrifice yeah and it's

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like what are you sacrificing Shawn and God's lately has put like my calling put that on the altar you

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know that's like hard for me it's like but God you said I'm going to be this it's like I want to be

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this and I want to be this and God's like you're making it an idol so now now that's good now I

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have to crush it but it's going to grow if you give it to me yeah and if you obsess over it

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you will have no thriving no success no none of that because I will not be there you know I mean

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it's like so then like lately God's been putting like put the put the pastor thing on the altar

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is like my god please this is what you call baby so that's where I've been at in my state of like

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sacrifice your calling and everything because if you could get rid of all that to God if you could

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give everything that you really were excited for your desires that was one of the episodes the other

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episode I picked was your desires and distractions yeah amazing so like if you've sacrificed those

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desires for God and you sacrifice the calling for God he will make it thrive absolutely and it's

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like it's only good if it's given from him yeah you know what I mean it's like I'm doing it

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because of me and it's like okay well it might be like okay but it's like but there could be so much

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better and I think that like when I was trying to move to Florida it's like I could have done it

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because we have free will so I'm like I could have just done it and like no I know you call me to

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Texas but like I'm gonna do it like I want to do and I thought that like the Lord had called me to

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Florida and I was going there too I was like I have every reason to believe that you did he's

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like no I'm actually calling you here are you gonna take it or not yeah and I could have been

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like well Lord I thought it was Florida so I'm just gonna go and I've been like okay cool you

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could do that and that might be like good but like I've got better for you so it's like what are you

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gonna what are you gonna go with so yeah that's that's good I think it's um I don't know if it's

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like if it's I would say it's not necessarily us sacrificing our calling but it's like what we

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what we thought our calling was gonna be like because it's like he still has a call in your life

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oh yeah you know what I mean but it's just like oh Lord I have to lay down my expectation of what

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I thought that was gonna look like because like you're gonna give me something better and it might

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still be that like for you it might still be passing it might look like something completely

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different though it might look like in different contexts you know what I mean yeah yeah wow

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powerful the way I see it is like God's given us fruit and then like before when the fruit dies it

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turns into a seed and God's saying like okay let let it die and I'm gonna make it way bigger than

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just your little orange you just had wow it's gonna be an orange tree now like you know I mean or

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banana tree or uh like corn corn and like into the field like it turns into a seed and that seed if

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you give it to God after he crushes it becomes way more bigger than what you expected it to be

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yeah and the Bible says like he withholds no good thing yeah so it's like if he's telling you to lay

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it down it's like he's not withholding something good from you like if you're laying it down

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because he still has good for you and what you thought it was gonna be might not have been good

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he's like no I have good for you so like lay it down by the way like his good is way more than our

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good yeah oh my gosh we can't even we literally can't even fathom it we just can't our minds like

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don't have the capacity to yeah anyway no I think that's a great place to wrap it up I think so too

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so guys I hope you like this episode as much as we did like um every time we do an episode most of

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the time with whenever we have a guest it becomes a new favorite episode and definitely our favorite

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yeah yeah that's good all right guys see you later bye