Hey guys, how's it going?
Welcome to this episode of Technically Short.
So this episode, Shawn and I, like after the last, well maybe not the last episode, but
probably about a couple episodes ago, we talked about vision and how our, the purpose really
what we talked about of the podcast is with our drastically different views on topics
to help guide and people towards our calling so they can live the life that they're being
called to lead.
And that's something I wanted, and I thought about that a little bit and I brought this
up to Shawn and I was like, well, what are we drastically, what do we drastically have
different opinions on?
And what, like, because those are some great topics we could talk about.
Absolutely.
And I came up with the idea, we've talked about this a few times, but we definitely
have different views on this.
So we're going to talk about the concept of rest and we're going to give you some of our
different perspectives about what it is and what it's for and when we do it and might
even touch on, and we'll talk, also we'll see where it goes.
But yeah, so I introed Shawn, so why don't you start?
Okay.
Let me ask, I'll ask you a question.
So let's just start with what is your, how do you see rest?
What is it?
What is rest?
Okay.
For me, I see rest when you are working hard and you need time to recuperate.
So you're, you're, you're, I don't want to use rest in the word rest.
So when you're, it's not sleep.
I don't think sleep and rest are the same thing to me.
They're not for me.
Um, like you can sleep, but if you've been lazy all day, you didn't get any rest.
Like I feel like rest comes from when you've been doing something that was hard, hard work,
some type of, whether it's mental, whether it's physical, whether it's spiritual, whatever
type of work you're doing, you're trying to recuperate the body to get back to the, the
energy that you needed to be at the beat to get back to the, the level of the body that
needs to be ready to go back to working hard.
Yeah.
And I'm going to say, I get what you're saying.
I think the sleep is in particular, and I realized you didn't start the timer, but it's
fine.
Uh, I'll start it now.
Um, and the sleep in my mind, it is a form of rest because you are not, you're not doing
anything, regardless of what you did during the day.
It's hopefully seven to hopefully eight hours.
Now with our age, it should be eight to nine hours of sleep, which is really hard to get
a lot of the time.
Yeah.
But in sleep, you're not doing anything.
Your body is recuperating.
That's actually one of the best ways that we heal and from like disease and even our,
our bodies heal during the time that we are sleeping.
So it's not just a rest for us, not just a rest for our minds as a rest for our bodies.
Um, but the, but the concept of, like, but whenever I think about rest, honestly, this
is always a hard topic for me to think about because like rest, it, like for me, rest to
me, for me, whatever rest is kind of like you said, it's, it's kind of the same.
Like you can like ret you, you like resting after something hard, but also rest in that
hard thing can be mental or physical.
Like you, like there's some things I did whenever I read Redeem Your Time by Jordan Rayner,
great book, recommend it.
I'll link it in the show notes.
We'll see if I remember.
If I have my, I'll make a note of it when Shawn's talking.
But the-
Jordan Rayner, right?
Jordan Rayner.
I have his book upstairs.
But, um, the, one of the things about rest, he, he talks about this whole chapter on rest
in that book and one of the things he brings up, and I don't exactly remember, I'm going
to reread this book in the near-ish future.
There's a, but there was a time where he said, it says in the book, whenever you're doing
something physical, like, and you're doing like this time of what he calls deep work,
and he's not the coin, term he coined, I guess, but that what was being called deep work,
you're heavy in your work, whether it's physical, then go do 30 minutes or 15 to 30 minutes
of something mental.
Give your body a rest, but then go, go engage your mind.
And then vice versa.
If you're engaging your mind at a heavy, at a heavy rate for like an hour and a half,
two hours or however long, go spend, give your mind a rest and go do something physical.
That way you get this well, this well-rounded version of yourself.
And like, you don't, and then you also don't overwork any part of you.
And yeah, I think like the rest to me is, it's in the same vein for sure as what you're
saying.
Yeah, I don't know.
Definitely, like it's in the same vein.
Like, it's, but like, I think it's, there's more, like to me, there's more to it than
just what you said, but I don't disagree with what you said.
But like the, let's go to something else though.
So you kind of touched on it, like you kind of said, like you rest after doing something
hard.
Yeah.
But is that the only time?
Well, I feel like this is me personal.
I feel like it should be like, I don't think you should just like, I don't think you can
get rest if you just like, for me sleeping all day, like, or sleeping all week would
be rest unless you have done something worth sleeping.
Because otherwise I feel like laziness and sleep don't equal rest to me.
Okay.
So that makes sense.
I wasn't going to go off you.
Oh, no, no, no, no.
That's all I had.
Oh, okay.
Um, okay.
I lost my train of thought, which happens sometimes.
Um, what'd you just say?
So I said laziness and sleep doesn't equal rest.
So like, I feel like, oh, I remember now.
Sorry.
I remember I had a question.
Um, so is there such, if those things aren't rest, is there in that logic, is there such
a thing as too much rest?
Um, see, the way I see it is rest is for the re recuperating of the body, mind, spirit,
all that.
Yeah.
So once you're recuperating, you're supposed to leave the time of rest.
So like, once you feel good enough, so say like you worked eight hours really hard, mentally,
physically, spiritually, whatever you did that worked really hard.
When you put on rest mode, you were recuperating.
It's almost like when my PS4, it'll tell you that like, uh, you can have an opportunity
to turn your PS4 off or turn it on or put it on rest mode.
When it's on rest mode, it's still doing all the things, but less like it's charging the
controller, it's charging whatever needs to be charged.
It's still putting out a signal, but it's recuperating.
So it's not getting overly heated that it would be then.
That's really good.
Yeah, I know.
I like that a lot.
Uh, I like the, like, like I said, like, I feel like sleep is a version of it, but like,
it's not the only version.
Right.
And like the, like, like you said, if it's off, it's off.
It's not doing anything.
Yup.
And like, and you could say with, if you're applying that to a human being, well, we're
still doing things.
Our bodies don't, we're not dead for eight hours, but the, but the, but the concept is
there.
I get the concept.
I get it.
And I like it.
The, uh, but whenever, yeah, whenever everything rest or standby mode, just like that, it's
a computer.
So it's just like any other piece of technology that has that, has that, like it's still using
some resources.
Yeah.
And it's still like, and it'd be like, it rests, rest could be just watching TV for
a little bit.
Right.
And like, you're still awake.
You're still watching, you still watching TV, but you're like, but you're not physically
doing any, you're kind of, you're taking that time to kind of refresh.
Right.
And so Shawn, let me ask another question.
Like speaking on that vein of like watching TV or doing, doing whatever, doing rest, what
do you do?
What is your favorite way to rest?
Okay. Favorite way of the rest.
Usually it's either in a watch or watching the anime.
I love watching anime or it's just watching any type of, um, action pack, relaxing type
movie or sometimes it used to even be scary movies, but like any type of, where you're
just not doing anything productive, but you're doing something to enjoy the mind or you're
doing something to recuperate.
So like if you work really, really hard, did I do believe that like, okay, get some rest,
get some sleep, but that I don't believe that like sleep always is rest because there's
some people who would just sleep 24 seven haven't done anything to work to like, to
for the sleep.
You know what I mean?
So it's like if you're working physically or mentally or spiritually and you need to
get physical rest of like sleep, I think that's good.
But if you're not doing anything productive in any type of way, I don't think sleep just
equals rest all the time.
For sure.
And like, I guess with red, like with you with red, there's so many different directions
I could go right now, but honestly, like with me with rest, I think like what I do, sometimes
it will be reading a book that is engaging my mind, but like, uh, it's in the engaged
and I might be obviously like me.
I was engaged, I engaged my mind all day was doing develop, I, I'm a developer.
If you don't know, you're listening to this episode.
I'm a web and mobile app developer.
Have been for over five years and, but now I've been really getting into reading books
on leadership and other things.
And even just like sometimes the storybook before bed, uh, but like a fiction book.
Um, but like, I love like reading books, uh, about leadership and like that gives me, it's
it gives my mind a form of rest that it's still engaging, but in my mind, I'm not trying
to figure out a problem.
I'm not like with development, I'm always problem solving with, with, um, with reading
books on leadership.
It feels like it feels more like I'm doing research and like growing and like nothing
development doesn't grow me.
There's ways that that does.
And that's maybe a topic for a different time, but there's, um, it just does, it does something
different for me.
Like if I was reading development books, if I read, reading leadership books all day,
the development might feel like the rest, but the, uh, it's really just doing something
different than what I'm currently doing.
If I'm doing something all the time.
Um, but yeah, um, but no, I want to, uh, I'm just thinking about, like, as you were talking,
like you've, I wasn't thinking about it before, but resting your mind, body or your spirit.
Like when I think about resting, when I think about resting the spirit, like I think back
to again, this kind of reference, uh, reading your time again, he has a full section is
on rest, but there's also a section, a chapter on eliminating hurry and eliminating hurry
and like this whole books on time management.
If you didn't catch that, but, um, the, um, of limiting hurry is like being able to be
essentially like not feeling like you have to run from thing to thing, but also adding
in those times where you can just sit and be still.
And that's the thing I'm really, really bad at.
Like I remember a time in, I was in, um, I was in junior ROTC in a high school and we
went to universal studio.
We're at universal studio.
We were down in, uh, we're down in Florida for, I forget where we were actually down
there for, but we made a day of going to universal on top of what we were already doing.
And my friends I was with, they're like, Thomas, like, we don't know where we're going.
I have to sit down and look at, look at the map.
I'm like, no, the ride's right there.
Let's go.
I don't want to say, I don't, I don't want to stand still.
I don't, I, I hate it to be honest.
I hate standing still.
I hate feeling like I'm not doing anything.
So whenever it entered into the concept, enter the concept of being still for your own benefit,
that's a hard concept for me to grasp sometimes.
And I've had some of the most best experiences with the Lord with what intention was spending
that intentional time of just like laying on the couch and just not saying anything.
There's nothing happening around me besides nothing happening around me.
And I have like a Bible verse in my head.
I'm just meditating on that verse.
I'm just being still.
I think God knows that's hard for me to do.
So I'm like, so I'm just, I'm doing this, I'm doing this to record, to get more connected
with the Lord.
And like, especially if there's something I want to hear from him on and there's something
I want to talk to, you want to directly talk to him about.
And I know that might sound weird to people that don't believe in God, but don't believe
in God and maybe aren't as for, aren't, I shouldn't say as firm, but like that, maybe
don't understand those concepts.
But if you have questions, shoot us a message or your local pastor.
But like, I think resting your spirit, at least in a concept of Christianity, is spending
intentional time in prayer with the Lord, doing nothing else.
Like, I wouldn't, for me, I don't, I wouldn't, with me, I don't even turn worship music on
during that time because I want my mind to be directly focused on what I'm thinking about
and focused on him.
I feel like there's a time for doing the worship music and like going crazy on your own or
like worshiping.
There's also time to worship by just literally physically doing nothing and just engaging
your mind with him and like in your spirit.
Yeah.
What do you think?
I agree with most of that.
I mean, the only thing I also think worship music can be a time of rest because for me,
that's usually like, for me, I use worship music a lot for rest.
Like in my mind, cause it's so like, there's always something where I'm like, okay, I need
to be doing this better X, Y, and Z.
And then like my mind just thinks of like, okay, I've been, I've been in a season of
a valley, right?
So I'm like, okay, nonstop, nonstop, gotta keep getting out of this valley that I put
myself in.
Yeah.
So I've been trying, I was like, all right, so what gives me peace and rest during this,
the season of the valley is literally worship music.
It's like, cause it's like when I'm reading the Bible, I read it and in a standpoint,
okay, God, what are you giving me today?
Okay.
What, what, what, what mission do you have me on today?
Where do you want me to go today?
Like, you know, inside of, I will not read the Bible.
I'm always thinking of like, all right, Lord, what, what, what are you having my heart set?
Like, so I start thinking a lot.
Yeah.
So when I'm, when I'm worshiping, it's just all about God.
And it's like all my, all my problems, all my focus is not on me.
It's just thank you God for everything that you blessed me with.
Thank you God for the world you made my friends, my family, like, you know, I mean, just, it's
a thankfulness and it's not like me focused so I can like rest.
It's like, okay, no, worry about your problems.
God will handle it.
You know what I mean?
It's like that.
I know.
I 100% agree with that.
Like the, because worship music in itself, like I wasn't saying it wasn't a rest.
I'm saying that for the form of rest, I, I have the hardest time doing is being still.
So whenever I want to be as still as I possibly can be, like in my mind, mind, mind and body,
I can't have worship music on.
That's me personally.
My mind will want, I want to listen to the worship music more than I actually think.
I want to listen to the worship music more than what, if either something specific I
want to talk to him about.
And I think that makes sense.
The worship music, you were kind of hinting at it.
It takes your attention.
It takes your attention as long as your focus is on God.
It takes your attention off of yourself, off, like you said, off your valleys, off anything
going on in your life and put your focus purely on him.
So it gives your mind that rest because you can be like, God, this isn't my fight.
I'm going to give this to you and I'm going to rest.
I'm going to rest.
I'm going to rest in you.
That is so good.
I'm going to rest in you as I focus just solely on you while I worship you.
And I, I, I, and all I was saying before is like, I, I, I feel like there are times to
do worship music.
And like for, for, I think very like strategically, like when the best time is to optimize, you
know, it's like, obviously you don't, it can be, I can get toxic in certain areas.
But the, but like whenever for like for me, worship, worship music, I do listen to it.
I do get a lot of great things out of it by like, um, why, why worship him?
It's not for, obviously it's not for me.
It's for him and it's for worshiping him.
And it gives me so much.
It gives, God does give me peace.
I think another piece of rest, there should be peace within the rest.
If there's not peace in your rest and you're not actually experiencing rest.
I agree.
And there's, so like that's a question for you guys that are listening.
What gives you peace?
What gives you, what gives you peace?
What is rest for you?
This isn't the end of the episode.
I just felt like asking you guys that question.
Like think about that, write something down.
Like what gives me peace and like, uh, what gives me peace?
Is it praying to God?
Is it meditating?
Um, is it just like spending time with the same time with family whenever they're, whenever
they're not crazy?
Uh, and, um, I just think, I just think that I don't know where I was going.
My mind, I, I sometimes I start saying words and hoping my mind, hoping my brain will catch
up.
You were going like, what gives you peace?
Like when you were giving the subjects, I started going off to ask that question, but
like, and I was like, for me, like, I get, like I said, I get a lot of peace.
That's where I get a lot of peace and just talking to God, but I also get a lot, I also
get like a lot of peace.
I get some more, some peace, not as much, but get some peace, peace of mind of just
like if I'm getting frustrated with work, of moving my mind away from that and doing
quick prayer and then go do things, something else real quick.
Um, my mind is, it's like a meter of like, um, of unset, unsettling uncertainty and like
being like, oh my gosh, I can't, like I've made this big mistake or I've been working
on this thing all day and I haven't figured it out.
Like I haven't solved this problem.
And then I like stop, go take a break, calm down, like bring that level, bring that like
stress level down and then go, then go back, get some peace and go back to work, uh, and
go back to work and then you're better off and then it's a lot easier to actually solve
that problem later on.
Um, but yeah, cause like, I feel like again, like it's hard, it's hard for me to break
it hard for me to take breaks.
Like rest for me, like this is, um, something with, in the concept of rest, um, um, you
know what, if you have something.
Yeah.
I was going to say for me, um, I think there's different levels of rest too, right?
So like, um, like today us, me and the boys, me, Thomas and the boys, we're going to go
and enjoy each other's company.
To me, that's rest for me.
Like, you know, I mean, that is rest when I'm able to hang with my family, friends and,
um, whether it's sometimes playing video games or if it's watching anime or if it's watching
football or whenever I'm not doing something productive with my friends or family, it just
feels like rats.
Like, you know what I mean?
Like if we're just hanging, going somewhere or we're on a trip or something, you know
what I mean?
Like anything that's not like, um, but I mean by productive, I mean, like it's not like
work related in any type of way usually, you know what I mean?
Like when it's not like making you like critically think very hard or stuff like that, when you're
just with your friends and family and you're able to just go and enjoy each other's company.
To me, that's rest too.
Like that's why I was saying there's like different degrees of rest.
So like today me and Thomas and the bros, we're about to all gonna just rest.
You know what I mean?
That's what it's going to feel like going on a trip, hanging out and that's a rest.
And my favorite rocket ship.
So yeah, see, that's what I mean.
That's right.
But, uh, I think like, I agree with that.
I think with me, I know sometimes spent like me being, I brought this up before.
I don't like a turn.
I don't personally like to turn to introvert versus extrovert because I don't think, I
think they're like just labels that we use, but, um, the, uh, I lean more towards the
introverted side.
I'm more, I'm more of like, uh, I like to be secluded, uh, more, not more often than
not, but I like to have my seclusion.
Right.
So whenever, if I'm spending like multiple days around people, that's not rest for me,
even if we're having a good time, eventually it's not rest anymore.
Eventually I'm like, dude, I just need to be by myself and I need to rest on my own.
I think that's fair.
And like, I think other people like you, you're, you're, you're a lot more out, you're not
a, you're, whenever you're around people, you can be a lot more outgoing.
Right.
And I think I, uh, I want to, I just said it like that just to, to, we're focusing on
people and our interactions with them.
Um, not, but like the, um, and like you love being around people.
I feel like you could be around people 24 seven and be happy all the time and be, and
be, as long as it's a good situation.
Like you said, if your, if your friends and family and everything's calm, right.
Then you'll be fine.
Even if it's common for me, I'm like, I gotta, I gotta go home and I gotta go spend some
time by myself.
Well, I think that's healthy.
Like I agree a hundred percent with you.
I think it becomes not rest if it's all the time.
Like, so I do think seclusion at some points is good.
Like even if you just say, I feel like everybody needs that time.
Yeah.
Like everybody needs that time of seclusion.
Especially, I'm going to say especially people that consider themselves an extrovert.
Yeah.
Because if you're always around people, you're not letting your mind take a rest and you
still sit alone with the Lord.
Like, like even, like even if you have a family, like you need to have a space that's just
yours, right?
I agree.
Where you can just be like, well, you can, well, you can spend time with God.
Maybe that's outside.
They can walk in the woods.
Like I can't wait to live near woods again where I can like go on a nice hike for a couple
hours and not worry about anything.
I think my, I would think about my form, a form of rest for me is leaving the house and
being with friends in most circumstances.
Like whenever I'm home by myself too much, right.
And like I say, like I want to, and I get out of the house.
Like sometimes I'll get rest leaving the house because I work from home because if I'm home,
and everything I have to, everything I want or have to get done is pretty much here.
So or most of it is not everything.
Most of it is here in the house.
And if I'm not in the house, I'm not thinking about it as much.
I'll say not thinking about it as much.
And like, um, like I'll go to a park and I'll read, I'll read my books and not have to worry
about anything.
That's good rest.
Yeah, that's right.
And it's like, I, I think we're hitting something very, we're very consistently and it's, I'm
going to try and word this.
We've said it, you've said it multiple times.
I said it and I said it, but not directly.
You said it directly, pretty much doing anything for extended a period of time.
Like if it, even if it extended as in like, like, I don't know, I guess that's to your
own perception of what you consider an extended period of time.
But um, the, for an extended period of time, you're just like, you consider it rest for
a short amount of time.
Like if you do anything for a long amount of time, it's not rest anymore because it's
what you're doing consistently.
Right.
And so like, I feel like people that live a consistently like relaxed life, like what
do you do for rest?
How do you, like what do you do?
That's so good.
And like, uh, so I feel like, I don't know, it just got me thinking because this just
like, I don't know, like this conversation, like kind of worked that out of me.
Like if you're doing anything for a long period of time, like sometimes my brain will tell
me like, or like Thomas, you need to stop my body right now, especially like cause of
my medical issues.
But like, well, tell me Thomas, you need to stop and take a rest.
And I, my body will say that my brain will be like, no, no, keep moving.
You got things to do.
And sometimes it's, uh, but sometimes you gotta listen to like, for me, I gotta listen
to your body.
You gotta listen to your spirit.
Your brain, my, my brain is go, go, go, go, go.
It's like rest does not compute.
But that's a, that's a good thing to listen to your spirit.
Cause I mean like there's times when you're, and Thomas, you're very productive.
So like, that's why I can always say that like you, you can actually deserve a break.
There's some people in life where you don't deserve a break because you've been taking
a break the entire time.
So it's not rest anymore.
You know what I mean?
And when that happens, like I have friends who were like that for a while who, who just
would just lay in every day.
The rest turned into, uh, what I would consider laziness.
Like it turned into, okay, instead of just, you're taking time to recuperate, you're just
recuperating all the time.
So now you're not even, you're not even recuperating at this point because now your body's been
ready for you to do something and you're not doing anything.
So by not doing anything, you're just not getting rest and you're not doing anything
productive to produce anything.
So now you're just being lazy.
If you're not stressing yourself out in any area, then you have nothing to rest from.
Right.
And like, uh, so like if you believe, if so, like if you're, if you're also stressing yourself
out all the time, then like, and if you're like me and you, if you're like me and you're
always trying to consistently grow, but then you're not taking that time, like we're talking
about sleep as asleep, as taking that time to recuperate.
If you're not taking that time for time of rest, time of rest to just, uh, let your body,
your mind recuperate and like, and pretty much do a reset.
Right.
So it's like, it's like, it's like, it's kind of like do a restart, restarting your computer
because whenever you restart your computer, it ultimately, it shuts all the resources
down.
It shuts all the, it turns, it exits out, exits out of all the applications and asks
you if you're sure.
And you say yes.
And it shuts everything down.
And where they want it to be, then it wakes itself back up and like, it wakes itself back
up and it does whatever routine it needs to do to restart itself.
So what it's doing is shutting everything down and starting off with a fresh plate,
with a resource that where your resources aren't fully taken up and your free, your
resource.
And like, I'm not the best at analogies sometimes on the fly.
So I feel like that made sense.
No, it made sense.
The, uh, so like if you stressing yourself out all the time, like I do sometimes, I'm
like, I don't even think, like to say that you deserve rest, I feel like it's an understatement.
I feel like you just need to take it.
Like the, you just need to force yourself to take a, take, take some rest because if
you don't, you're going to crash.
Nope.
You're going to crash and you're going to burn and you won't be, then you won't be productive
and the choice will be made.
If you don't make the choice, it will be made for you.
Yep.
You don't want to burn yourself out.
That's what happens to a lot of people.
So it is important, especially if you're doing a lot of things productively to take time
to rest.
Why?
Because then you produce better work.
Yes.
Um, no, that's really good.
And I think that I feel like that's a good place to end it.
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Everybody that feeds the algorithm and it tells people, tells people things, tells people
that we're somebody they might want to listen to.
So if you just, yeah, if you at that time and you got the few seconds, I mean, I know
you have the few seconds.
Absolutely.
I'm kind of rambling, but, um, but no guys, we appreciate you.
Um, and, uh, yeah, I also want to point out real quick.
We did have a comment asking about that Nate episode, if we could expand on something.
Yeah.
And so I haven't asked him yet, but I feel like I want to have Nate back on to go and
do it.
Uh, she wants you to expand on something specific.
Okay.
And it was a good question.
Um, it was, well, we'll talk about it later, but the, uh, in future episodes, we'll expand
on it.
Cut that out too.
All right guys.
We'll see you later.
See you later.