Alright, welcome to this episode of Technically Short. I believe this is episode 12.
Yep, episode 12.
Yeah, today we have, last episode you heard from his dad.
So we asked his dad who he should have on the podcast.
He said, you should have my son.
Say hi, son.
Hi, my name is son.
My name is Nathan Miller. Yes, my dad was on the last episode.
Thank you guys for having me on your podcast.
Of course.
So yeah, we talked a little bit earlier about what you wanted to talk about.
And you specifically brought up anxiety and you being, earlier we were figuring out what generation we all were.
And you being Gen Z.
And us knowing nothing about Gen Z.
So I was kind of excited for this because you wanted to talk about anxiety.
It would be interesting to hear the culture of anxiety within Generation Z from your perspective.
Before we go into that, I first want to say I want to kind of intro Nathan to really who I perceive him to be.
And then we'll go from there.
That sound good? Sounds good.
So the main thing I know about you is that you love to surf.
And I specifically think you get that from your dad.
Because last time when we were at Amplify one time at a team night, your dad came over and they were talking about him running the camera.
He was like, oh my gosh, I loved it. It was so much fun.
He was so excited.
And then you came over and they were like, we were talking about running the camera.
You're like, oh yeah, that'd be really fun.
I didn't even know.
You guys said almost the exact same thing.
I also didn't realize until that day that you have served or serving on every team.
I serve in like, let's say, serving all the kids men programs, like kids men, GI, and then like bed and youth.
Don't forget parking lot.
I was just going to get to that.
The parking lot, parking cars outside is always a blast as well.
So whenever your dad, I wasn't expecting him to say, you should have Nathan.
But I was like, oh, that's a really good idea that I would not have thought of.
Nothing against you.
I was like, huh, I was thinking of people that were older than me or in the same age.
And when he said you, I was like, that's a really good idea.
Yeah.
So yeah, let's like dive in to really the main topic.
And I don't know how deep this is going to get today.
It might get pretty deep.
I think we're talking about anxiety.
So those conversations tend to go that way.
So specifically, I want to ask like, and I kind of just made a hard pivot, but maybe we'll get better at transitions.
But like with anxiety in Generation Z, like what's your perspective of it right now?
I would say in Generation Z, just specifically, anxiety is a pretty big factor on how most kids live day to day as they go through either school, work, or anything in that topic.
I would say it's a pretty big problem right now because people tend to just push it away, just try to just like leave it alone, just like avoid it at all costs because they don't want to face it.
And they don't want to face that problem because they're scared of how it will affect them in a way.
I would say our generation is known to, it's not known for the best stuff currently.
It's a lot of different things, especially with social media and that whole factor.
But based on like anxiety and stuff, it can become a pretty big part of someone's life based on this generation.
Yeah. And like, what about like the current culture?
I asked you like specifically like what anxiety is like within Generation Z and like how it affects the culture, but like how does the culture affect the anxiety?
That's a good question.
So I guess the culture nowadays is all surrounded by social media, especially.
There's a lot of factors to anxiety where based on just any social media platform, let's say TikTok or Instagram, people put themselves out there just as just thinking they're like almost better than everybody.
They try to put themselves over everybody to get either views or likes or anything like that.
And I think that the factor plays towards anxiety is pretty big considering how people tend to hide away their emotions on social media.
They tend to post a photo of them like smiling and caption like best day ever or something like that.
Way to call me out.
Shawn's Generation Z at heart.
People tend to do that sometimes.
Not targeting Shawn.
But what you really what they hide and what you really don't know is what's happening behind that photo.
You see the photo and you're like, oh, their life's perfect.
Oh, no, no, no, that's good and great.
But you really don't know what's beyond that photo.
And what's beyond that photo could be a form of anxiety and form of depression that you don't know about because they just put their life as their as their happy, perfect lives.
But truly behind that photo, there's a lot of there could be a lot of just pain that you don't know about.
So you can never you can never like really.
You never really tell.
Yeah, like.
What perspective are you trying to look at it from?
You can't really tell what they're actually feeling from that from just from a picture like you can't really judge based off the photo, how they really feel.
And you can't judge a person based off that because you also don't know what they're going through at that current state.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, that's really good.
I am something like going into.
You see, you see a lot of social media.
So you said the mask a lot of the times.
And like people will be and people will like people still like it's not just in generation view or people use social media as a highlight reel.
And even if the highlights are fake, like you were saying, and because people want them to think they want they want other people to think that they're OK.
So that they can get that validation that we're looking for.
Yeah.
And that stems into like, yeah, that stems into like the.
If you're looking for that, you're looking for that validation and you're having that you're having anxiety because you're not thinking this way.
But you don't actually have this like, oh, I don't have validation.
You go on social media and get it.
But like, um, I don't think so.
Maybe I'm wrong.
But like maybe I'm wrong.
But like about generation C in general, or maybe certain people.
But like, I think the actual the actual thought process seems to more be like they're just they don't feel like they're being valued anywhere else.
And they know that they how much better they feel whenever they see that those numbers go up on the likes.
Or like whenever they see comments, like, like, specifically, I think of more of I mean, I don't know if it is prevalent in guys also with the smiling and stuff. But like.
Yeah, but I think of a girl posting a best day ever.
And then all the rest, you know, you're so pretty.
Yeah, that's so good.
Oh, my gosh.
Like, yeah, the comments with that.
And then I kind of leads into what you were saying, like, is that that she feels good for a little bit.
Yeah. And that that kind of becomes the addiction.
You get addicted to that.
Like you get to go dopamine hits and dopamine is an addictive.
It can be the way you do it.
However, you however you get it, like that's going to be an addictive.
You can create the thing that giving that's creating the dopamine for you an addictive drug, essentially.
And social media being that being that thing that you're being addicted to because of the dopamine that's giving you and every time you want to go back to it.
Sorry, it went down there a little bit.
But like this is where my mind was going with it.
So you have any.
Yeah, I have a question. So, Nathan, when do you first like realize that you were all facing anxiety for me?
It was like 19 for you.
You're a lot younger.
So when it was like your first like, OK, this is anxiety.
This is what I'm facing.
I honestly had to be probably a year ago is when I first really started feeling that that form of anxiety and depression and that that form of just a bunch of stuff clouded my mind.
That moment.
So, yeah.
So what age do you say?
Do you say an age?
You said last year.
Last year.
OK, sorry.
Yeah.
And.
Hmm.
And right now, since it's been a year and you only go as deep as you want to go.
But since you have gone through and are currently you said before you are still have bouts of it sometimes.
Right.
So what do you do in those moments to overcome it?
That's a good question.
So what I really do is if I ever like.
Like there's which forms of anxiety attacks that happen that people also go through where you get so tensed up so stressed that it just just fills your mind and you can't think of anything else.
I tend to step away.
Sometimes I worship music, walk around, just put my mind on God rather than everything else at that time to really just like overcome that stage is to rather than focusing on the negative points of your life, try to focus on the positive because the positive will bring you up rather than knock you down like the negative does.
There's actually some really interesting about what you just said, because the part of the brain that this is where I think.
You say you think about God and you think about like his goodness like what he's done and like God like he designed us in such a way that like it works so well like there's a part of the part in the brain that like where anxiety is created in a way that that anxiety comes from.
That's the same exact spot where where the feeling of gratitude comes from.
You can't feel both at the same time.
It's impossible.
So if you start so so if you focus on things that you're grateful for relative to the things that you're anxious about.
You're, you're, you're gratitude actually causing you to stop thinking of anxious thoughts.
So if you start thinking like, oh, well, I'm just, sometimes I might be just, oh, I'm just thankful to be alive.
I'm just thankful to have breath in my lungs. Like if that's all you can say at that moment that then like just like rehash that because sometimes that like maybe there's probably more things if that's the only thing you think of in the moment.
Then that's all you can think of in the moment. You're like, okay. And but like, then you like, oh, then you can be thankful for my friends.
I thank you for everything else God has done in my life and thankful for.
I think I can keep saying things, but like, I think that's a great practice.
I could grab having a practice of gratitude relative to just, and this is advice for any everybody, but like having a great practice of gratitude.
I think every people say, like Pastor Brandon said it before for other people say that having gratitude journal and doing having a practice, a general practice of writing down what you're thinking for every single night.
If you have a problem, especially if you have a problem where like you're really acknowledged, maybe I'm not as grateful for the things that I have as I could be, or maybe I like you want, but anymore you do it.
Like the more things you're actually going to come up with that you're grateful for and the more grateful you're going to feel throughout the day.
And it gives you more things to think about when you're anxious.
The anxiety is, I don't think it's ever really going to go away. It's something that's something that like it comes with life.
Right. Yeah. But like.
But like the practices that you instill in yourself and the more you grow those certain muscles in your mind, like that will just that will distill like what the actual ending outcome is through like an anxiety attack.
If you have an anxiety attack, like are you going to, what's the end outcome going to be? Is it going to be like depression?
Are you going to be sad and like sad for being sad? Me, I would get mad at myself for being like man, I just did nothing all day because I couldn't.
And now I feel like crap.
And then it was like, and then, but on the flip side, it's like, oh, I'm anxious.
Let me try. I've seen a therapist. I've been seeing therapists for over a year.
And she gave me so many tools.
So many tools to be like, like, do you pray meditate? Do you like the focusing on just the white noise?
Like some things that would take your mind off things that there are so many things that.
Like anybody can practice and the younger you start it, especially with the pen, essentially the pandemic of anxiety that is happening within your generation.
The sooner you start that practice, like the better it's going to be for later down the road, because especially in.
I think especially in the younger you are, whatever you experience this.
I think experience anxiety, something that's longer is actually going to last. Your brain is still developing.
You don't finish developing. Guys, we don't, like we don't stop developing until 25.
So, like we feel like we have so especially this for girls, guys, men and women.
But like, yeah, the younger you are, the more it's important for everybody.
But the more important it is that you start that you start now relative to later and ask to the listeners specifically if we have any other Gen Z people listening.
I feel like sorry not to cut you off, G, but I feel like anxiety happens just not even just for Gen Z, right?
For millennials and baby boomers and all the millennials and every generation.
But it's been a problem since the beginning of time, because if you look like David faced anxiety and one of the scriptures I was looking up is on First Peter five.
How about yourself, therefore under God's mighty hand that he may lift you up in due time, cast all your anxiety onto him because he cares for you.
Be self control and alert. So that's First Peter.
First five, right? And I wanted to mention it because I felt like it was so powerful to realize like, hey, this isn't something you're just facing, right?
Because there's power in numbers, but there's even more power in the two things that you did say Thomas and you also said, Nathan, right?
Which is the first thing I would say is thankfulness, right? Gratitude.
The second thing was worship music. That is so power because it's getting your eyes off of yourself and your problems.
You're making your problems small. You're realizing how good and how big God is.
So that's like magnificent because if you magnify God, the problems get smaller and smaller and then you get less stress and then the anxiety just leaves.
So it's so important. And to the listeners out there that might not be in a Christian point of view, people tend to that are not Christians.
They don't they don't really have a relationship with God. So they take to other things that including social media, which is a big part of Gen Z.
And that's where most of Gen Z now takes it nowadays.
Rather than taking it to God, they take it to vaping is a big thing. They take it to just drugs because they feel like it relieves their stress.
It gives them a peace in the moment. But the key word is for a moment because as soon as that feeling of highness or whatever goes away, what do they do now?
They just they just don't have like that. The stress comes back. Yeah, it might come back even stronger because of the things that they're taking in their body.
And it really, really affects how a lot of people deal with their emotions nowadays. And it takes it takes a lot of love, courage and a lot of struggle.
Like, like, it's, it's not always going to be easy to like, get away from it. Obviously, it's going to come back eventually. Yeah. But in that time, instead of instead of just taking it to those pain relievers, those stressful moments, really just honestly just read the Bible.
I know for non-Christians out there might sound like, oh, the Bible, it's just like some stories or some just some words on it in a book.
But no, it's really a it's really a just stories of real people have dealt with things similar to how we deal with life nowadays.
And it's really just a it's a stress reliever rather than taking it to stuff that can hurt your body.
Take it to stuff that you can gain knowledge, you can gain strength and you can just become become a just a better person in mental health or just any topic really.
The Bible has it there and it was put there for a reason. And yeah, it's good, man. It's really good.
I like that you
specify that to like to people that are aren't people of faith. And because we do like to say like this isn't specifically just for this podcast isn't basically just for Christians, even though we are Christians and we bring up God a lot.
Yeah. Like we don't we don't put this podcast out there as a Christian podcast.
Because then the algorithm will read it that way. Yeah. And like
in like to the people that are listening like Nathan was saying that aren't aren't necessarily Christians and you maybe still don't fully understand what we're talking about. That's okay.
I think the idea of like you said one thing of
like like we already said like value is going to come back. But that's not to be like what's the word I was thinking.
That's not to be discouragement. That's not to be discouraging like the point is to be encouraging about it. Because even though it will come back.
Like it won't come back as strong if you practice if you actually practice if you actually practice those practices of gratitude or if you act if you look into what we're talking about about the word.
Like don't just take our word for and think that we're just dumb for thinking for thinking believing that God exists.
Like do some of your own research and like understand why we're saying what we're saying.
And like it's we've all had experience with anxiety and like anxiety. I've had depression. Yes.
So it's like yeah. Like brothers like like a bond. You don't get away.
And like my train of thought just crashed. What was I saying about depression and anxiety. Yeah.
Depression. You're living through that.
I was talking while specifically talking about like sorry I have to backtrack if we don't edit so it's not going to be in it. But I was specifically talking about the anxiety going through anxiety.
And depression and I know where I think we can all I don't think these I don't know if you like I feel you grew up you you're growing up in faith a lot younger than I did.
I was raised Roman Catholic but like the faith I have now is a lot stronger than what it was then.
And whenever I remember I was going through depression and anxiety like in the start of it at least I wouldn't I wasn't close to God.
And that was the hardest time through it.
And that was a hard it was the hardest moments in my life and that like and now with like the medical condition I have I've had so much stress around this.
And I can honestly say I don't think anxiety has come up.
It's like a stress and anxiety is like two different things in like anxiety.
Anxiety is specifically like the worry about something that may happen in the future.
And or fear. That's what we should really call it. It's fear about something that may happen in the future, whether it was actually going to happen or not.
And with like with stress it's like you're stressed about what's happening right now.
You're like you're worried about what's happening right now or something that you like and like anxiety can bring stress.
But like anxiety can bring stress. But stress does not exactly come coupled with anxiety.
But that I'm jumping down to a different rabbit hole that I realize I'm going to pull myself back.
But like but like I think there's people going if you're going through it right now, whether you're regardless of whether you're of faith or not.
Just think about what just take a second to think about what you're what what you're thankful for.
And I know for a fact what I said about the way your brain is created is true.
So if you start thinking about that, if you start thinking about things that you're grateful for, your anxiety will start to start to like bump down in numbers.
I think of it as a dial.
Sure.
But like, yeah, yeah.
All right. Took me took me took me took me a second to understand.
Get the word.
But whenever I want to bring up something else you mentioned about like vaping and that being like the go to for it's probably that cigarettes or whatever.
I know cigarettes are big, but with you guys, it's more vaping.
It's more vaping. I'm pretty sure.
Okay, cigarettes were like more R.H. I guess that makes sense. But like that was the same reason.
And like the vaping is like the quote unquote the healthier alternatives.
And that was not the fact.
Yes, actually worse.
But the.
So all that is like you say, is it is it temporary? Is it temporary fix that you're putting a bandaid on a gouge in your arm?
Yeah.
And really what really what you need your surgery.
And like the only way the only way you can either sit there and try to do surgery yourself.
Or you can go and seek help.
And it takes a lot to admit to yourself that you need it.
And then it takes even more to admit to other people that you need it.
But if you're actually in it, if you're in it and you're in anxiety or in depression, like that's the route you need to go.
That's like you're not going to get out of it by yourself.
Because your brain all your brain knows right now is how to be anxious.
And like.
It's been rolling on that roller coaster for a while and it's going to be harder to get off.
You don't have somebody pushing you.
Yeah, there you.
You always need someone by your side.
If you try to attack it alone, it's only just going to.
The devil and the enemy is trying all just going to try to.
Just come at you at different angles, different moments and try to knock you down.
But if you really find just like just a therapist, someone to talk to about it or just just a just a friend who really can help you that you trust.
Yeah, they can they can check in with you just like how your how your day is going, how you're feeling and all that.
And you're not alone.
You're not alone out there.
There is people out there to help.
Yes, you might not think so.
You might think, oh, I can do this on my own.
I'll be fine.
But no, really, really just try to find somebody that can help you through this because.
Without that person to guide you, you don't have anything else to lean on.
Yeah, so it goes back to as vape and you lean on that.
You lean on an object rather than a person.
Yeah.
You lean on something that will make you feel good in the moment, but end up hurting you in the end rather than going to a person who can help you, who's not just go to a person who's not going to judge you.
Go to a person you trust that that's not going to make you feel any less of yourself in that current moment and really just have that mindset of.
I've just.
I lost my chance.
No worries, man.
Obviously, all the time.
Do you care if I pivot it?
Sure.
Okay.
I what unless you want it.
Do you know where you're at?
Or I can pivot it.
Okay.
Do you have anything?
No, I never thought it was really good and excited for the methods.
I would just tell people who are facing anxiety to first think about being grateful and second try to find some way of easing your mind, whether that's workshop music exercise or something that you're able to physically do or here or anything like that.
It would calm your mind.
Yeah.
My last question is.
Yes, the main last question I decided.
So you have your therapist right now.
Yeah.
And I have another question.
We'll see.
For the last, how did you find your therapist.
Honestly.
Just the amount of stuff that was happening in my life recently.
I just, I just went to my parents and straight up just said I might need a therapist and my dad went out there and found a Christian therapist.
Yeah, do you know they're currently accepting new applicants.
You.
You're, you know, if your therapist is currently accepting new people.
I would assume so.
Okay, I've just started going.
Okay, sorry.
This is the recent thing.
Now you're good.
That was just for the link.
That way we can like, if they are, we can like talk.
Yeah, we'll get that from you later.
Yeah, you can probably get it from me.
Okay, yeah.
Do you have her name?
It's uh.
Oh, sorry, my therapist will now.
I don't know why I thought.
His name's Isaac.
Isaac.
Okay.
Yeah, we'll get that.
We'll get the information from your dad later and we'll put that in the show notes to try and I have a couple other resources to outpost in there.
Yeah, go for it.
All right.
So, earlier, we were talking about mental health.
That's a big part of just everybody now.
And we started to talk about money wise for therapy and how that could be a disadvantage of getting to therapy.
Yeah.
Good point.
And just, I don't know how it's going to take that time, but it's just a really big problem as mental health nowadays.
And I feel like everybody should be going to therapy.
I agree.
But there's also that money problem.
Yeah.
That takes you to get to that therapist.
Yeah.
I would say, like not to get political or anything, but like bring a, just like, I wish like, now like, therapy could be like more of a free place rather than something you have to pay money to to get to.
Because those people that might not have enough money for therapy, I don't know where they take it.
Because if they're not going to get that therapy because of the money, where would they take it afterwards?
Well, I got something.
Good.
So, I know that like if you don't have money for therapy, I would say, try to find your local church.
Most churches have something where they have like some type of counseling for free that you're able to release your what's going on mentally with you.
You know what I mean?
Because if it's a good church, they're going to have resources where they're able to help people.
And if they can't do it themselves, they're going to at least be able to try to point you in the right direction.
Yeah.
That's good.
It kind of goes off.
I was kind of going on that same vine.
I was going, if you can't afford therapy, if you're a teenager and your parents can't afford it, like where do you go?
You find a good community.
And you find a good community with people that you trust if you don't already have that.
And by a good community, I mean, it's people that aren't anxious also.
But they aren't always anxiety ridden where you don't sit around and talk about how anxious you are and you validate each other's anxiety.
No, it's like you actually find a good community where people can speak life into you.
And by that, I mean what it means to speak life into somebody.
I know I wouldn't know what that meant if I said that five years ago.
I said that myself a few years ago.
But to speak life into somebody means they're actually like they're lifting you up out of the pit by hope that you tell them,
like you like, like kind of like Shawn said, you find a church where there are people that would sit down and talk with you.
Or for more of my generation, they have, I'm pretty sure they have counseling or therapy in schools nowadays.
OK, I don't know if that's for free, though. So maybe if you're looking for whoever's watching or listening,
looking for a way to get therapy out there in my generation or they're still in school, try to reach out to like we each have like a counselor.
So I feel like school therapy could be an option.
Yeah, yeah, that's really good. Yeah, that's what I thought.
Yeah, that's why we're here to talk about it.
Yeah, I think like pretty close to wrapping up.
But I feel like we covered a lot of great content. I think we have a lot of great things.
OK, here's my final final question.
Maybe we'll see if we'll see.
There's a will there'll be another one, but like it's off the topic.
But the. So if you were if you are so say you're speaking to somebody that is going through anxiety right now and they're in the deep of it.
Like if you're talking directly to them, what would you what would you say?
I would specifically focus on that season of their life in that point.
Through that season of anxiety and that season that season, we're going through that.
Just try to try to tell them, try to maybe have them focus on that God has put trials out there for you.
But he's only put those trials out there for you that because he knows you can overcome them.
Yeah, you wouldn't put a trial that you can overcome just to knock you back down.
Yeah, you put one that he knows that you can overcome in that moment.
And I would really, I'd really just focus on that there's joy.
There's a season of joy after that season of anxiety.
There's a season of happiness.
There's a season of where you're just not stressful, where everything is going great.
Not to say that there's still not bad stuff in that season of joy.
But there's more things that you can focus on that are more joyful and more more just uplifting in that point.
I would say also for people that are going through that right now, just try, try to find as we're talking about a community,
a community that will build you up, not break you down.
A community that will get that will love you no matter what your circumstances is, no matter your background,
no matter your position and no matter just anything in that topic.
And I would also like to, a bit of a shout out.
So if you're in my generation at Amplified Church, the church we go to, there's a youth ministry where high schoolers come together.
And that's a really good way of finding that community.
So anybody out there listening who knows a high schooler out there who just is looking for a way to get community
or just bring it up to them, even if they're not looking for a way to get community,
but you know they're going through something, I would recommend inviting them to a youth either at city campus,
south, east, just everywhere in those campuses.
It's a really good way to build community.
That's great. I'll link their Instagram in the description as well.
That way you'll be able to find it, you'll want to search for it.
And we don't usually do this, but since we talked about community a lot, we've been talking about it a lot in other episodes too,
I'll link Amplified Church as well, just their website and maybe their Instagram as well.
We don't do that. I've never done that before, but I feel like this off the conversation today.
If we ever talk to people that are anxious and you need a good community, this is the place to get it.
And if you're not around here and you're not somewhere near Pittsburgh, there are definitely other churches.
Just scrolling through Instagram sometimes, based on the algorithm I have,
there's just other youth groups just all over the world that people could just be taking advantage of with community.
I believe we have people listening to the most episodes in Belgium and in Canada.
There's a couple people in both spots, at least.
But I use it around the world, so I was like, yeah, there's stuff in Canada, there's stuff in Belgium.
There has to be.
There's just a lot of churches that you could be just going to.
There's a lot of youth opportunities as well there at those churches that you might not know about.
That's really good.
Okay, I think that's a really good ending spot.
If you have any final remarks, Shawn?
Okay.
Awesome. I really like that. I really like that.
I always like these.
Oh, yeah, go ahead.
Nathan has an analogy.
So it was actually from my Christian therapist that I've been going to.
Basically, he was talking about the difference between anger and anxiety and depression.
And it was a tea kettle with boiling water.
When you're angry that when you're boiling that water in that tea kettle, if you leave it there for a while, it explodes.
And you get that anger and you just attack everything around you.
While with anxiety and depression, let's say you put eggs in it, just anything.
Just go for eggs for this example.
If you leave it on there and you do the same thing, it just starts to spread around the water.
It starts to become more murky and over time it starts to stink.
And I would say that's a way of that depression just sitting there in your body.
Just sitting there and over time it just starts to attack you and try to bring you down.
Wow, that is really good.
Man, that's where it ended.
If you like to analogy, you should let us know on Spotify in the comments there.
I think that was a really great episode.
If the people listening, if you like this episode, definitely feel free to give us a review.
Five stars.
On iTunes or Spotify or any other platform that you're listening on that you can review on if you're on Spotify.
Let us know how much you like this episode.
I believe I have a question on there this time that will ask specifically who you would like to hear on the podcast as a guest.
And also I believe on a podcast, if you can review, you can leave a whole comment about how you think of the podcast as a whole.
So definitely go ahead and do that.
Share it on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, or X, whatever you use.
And we really appreciate it.
We're slowly growing, slowly reaching more people.
And I think that's how it's meant to go.
But Nathan, you got one more thing?
I was just going to say, I know everybody out there on social media.
There's going to be a way either, as you said, like Twitter or X or Instagram.
I know.
Just everybody has social media nowadays.
Especially you Gen Z kids.
Yeah.
Nathan, one final question for you.
Yes.
All right.
Who would you like to hear on an episode of this podcast?
I like to hear.
You know what?
Luke Moraska.
Okay.
I'll call it Luke Moraska.
Okay.
Yeah.
I would be good.
I feel like that would be good.
Yeah.
He has a lot of wisdom.
We'll reach out to him.
All right.
Thanks, man.
Yeah.
Thank you for having me.
Yeah.
And again, to everybody, thank you if you listened this far through the episode.
I know that a lot of people are trying to drop off the last like 10 seconds.
But all right, guys, we will see you later.
See you next week.
Love you guys.
See you.