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Welcome to Technically Short! Alright, that was loud. Yeah, today's episode,

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well first welcome, I'm Thomas Carney. I'm Sean and this is Technically Short

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as Sean said. This episode we decided that we are going to talk a little bit

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about leadership and personally for me that is definitely a, this is definitely a

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topic that I take passionately, I think I said the same thing on the

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last episode, but like definitely something I take passionately, it's

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something I am trying to take as seriously as possible in my life as time has

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gone on, so it's definitely something I'm excited to talk about. Yeah, if you want

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to dive in, yeah. So initially, what we really want to talk about first is how I

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used to view leadership and like what it's, and I talk about what leadership

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isn't and what it is. And when I first had my first quote-unquote leadership

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position, and Sean you can feel free to jump in at any time. Okay. When I had my

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first leadership position, I was a manager at Idlewild Park and Soak Zone and

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in one of the food, in the food stands it was at the time, what was it called?

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Ah, the pizza place, that's what it was called. It can't be that simple. The pizza

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place, that potato patch, a couple different places throughout the years I

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was a manager there. And I do, I, I felt like leadership at a time was more

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based off experience and then that also gave me the authority to just

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tell people what to do. So, and like that's something I've learned as time

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has gone on that like that's not what makes a leader. There are tons of people

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with tons of experience that just aren't, that aren't leaders in their

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industry, that aren't leaders on their teams and sometimes that's not their

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fault, that's just not who they are. Other times they are in a leadership

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position, kind of like I was, given I was, I was still like a teenager, but didn't

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have the leadership aptitude. And so like Sean, what did you think about leadership

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whenever you were younger? When I was younger, I thought leadership was the guy

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in charge. Everybody wants to be that guy and as I came to find out, it's so

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different. My concept of leadership now is way different than how I thought it

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was as a kid and I'm so much better for it. Amplified Church, I have to give them a

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big shout out because they really taught me in such a way what leadership truly

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is versus what I used to think it is. So, what do you think it is now? Leadership

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now to me is serving, being a servant who leads other servants. So okay, so for

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instance, like if I'm the ice cream manager or the pizza manager or whatever,

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sometimes as a good leader, I am not only teaching people what to do, telling

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people what to do, but I'm also doing those things as well. Yeah. That's good.

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We're gonna ensure if you're good. Yeah. No, I 100% agree with that. I'm gonna

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steal something from John Maxwell and he said this all the time

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and it's in a lot of his books that leadership is influenced nothing more

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nothing less and what that comes down to is that everything that you do and

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anything anybody does is influencing somebody. Whether it's influencing

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people through their social media, through the posts that they post on social media, how

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you show your demeanor when you go through the drive-through at McDonald's

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or how you're actually intentionally influencing your team to look

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forward to the vision that you've set before them.

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And it's funny the way John Maxwell kind of puts it out is that

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influences the overall encompassing attribute of leadership and then there's

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all these other attributes that fall underneath. That's how I kind of

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envisioned it. He never directly has said that but his books

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like the one I'm reading right now, 21 Irrefutable Laws of Leadership,

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he has a chapter called The Law of Solid Ground and what that's talking about is

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trust. It's that if they don't trust that you are solid, they don't trust that you

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are a leader, then they're not going to follow you and they believe

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in the leader before they believe in the vision.

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Because if the leader is a person putting out the vision,

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they have to believe and trust in that leader before they can trust in

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the vision that they're putting out. I definitely just jumped around a little

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bit. I thought you stuck to it. It made sense.

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I think leadership now as versus to when I was a teenager, like John

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said, it is a drastically different view and the reason is because I've been able

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to be around other leaders, specifically around other Christian leaders who are

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very very serious about leading well and serving well because like John said,

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leading isn't telling people what to do. It's not telling people what

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to do. It's not telling people what to do, but it's also showing them how to do it.

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It's also serving them.

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A leadership isn't servant. A leader isn't supposed to be above, it's supposed to be

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beside or sometimes even below because Jesus, the ultimate leader,

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he came down from heaven and he came down to our level and walked

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alongside us to show us what we were missing and to explain to us what we are

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missing and then he went and he died. He went further down. He went down into

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hell and paid a price that we could never pay. Sometimes a leader sees,

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there's another thing from John Maxwell, a leader sees more than before the people

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that they're following. A leader sees the troubles ahead or sees potential

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problems before anybody that they're leaving ever does.

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That's so good. And so then they can preemptively make a plan.

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Okay, when this happens, because it's going to, how are we going to handle it?

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I'm sure there was a bunch of things happening within the pandemic.

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That was almost like a sifting of leadership.

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The way I'm thinking about it is because the leaders that were good,

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the leaders that were great, the leaders that weren't as good but were great,

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are the ones that stuck and the ones that were okay, maybe some of them stuck,

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but maybe they were barely holding on and then the rest of them just got taken

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away with the tide. And so that's the way it happened.

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And you hear that time and time again with, if you listen to a leadership

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podcast, any leadership podcast or read any leadership book that is post

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or current pandemic, you read about that kind of thing.

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And I think the same thing goes for even the type of leadership that I'm in right

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now or Sean is in right now, with me, I'm a volunteer leader at our young adult

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group Inspire Collective.

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Not else, Inspire Collective.

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And whenever I started with that, when I started leaving that team,

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it wasn't really a team, in my opinion.

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It was me and another person who knew how to do everything.

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And I was there positioned as a leader, but I wasn't seen as a leader.

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And that was because I wasn't, one reason, because I wasn't positioning myself as one,

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because I didn't feel like I was worthy or qualified to be in that position

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because the other person knew more than me in certain area.

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But that's one thing I've actually learned about leadership real quick,

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side note, is that leadership, you don't need to know everything about certain field.

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Like I said earlier, you have tons of experience to be a terrible leader.

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You don't have to have all the experience.

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You just have to know, it's going to sound really dumb,

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but you have to know who you're leading, why you're leading them.

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Okay, maybe it won't sound dumb, who you're leading, why you're leading them,

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and what you're leading them towards, and how to lead,

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and a good leader studies leadership.

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But going back to production, the ideas of, as I grew in that role,

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only being once a week was a slow process.

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And I would have moments of self-doubt, moments of like, I don't belong here,

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and moments where I was like, I don't think that this is a position for me.

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And as time went on, I realized the error of my own thinking of like,

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well, if there's a team, if I was positioned, if I was put in this position,

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it's because somebody believed in me and saw something in me that I didn't see myself.

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So then I was like, okay, well, my next vision was like,

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okay, well, then I want to actually live up to that,

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make sure I'm actually living up to what that person saw.

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And if that's in me, let's find out where that is.

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So like, I, that's when I started more actively thinking about who can be on this team,

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who can be on this team, who can work more cohesively,

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who would be a good addition to production,

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and would also be able to be like, okay, I'm not here to do a job,

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to put on a show of lights and sound and stuff.

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I'm here to have people help people with their experience with the Lord.

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And there's a whole other topic of how production at,

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sets the atmosphere in these instances, but that's not for this conversation.

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Sean, like, what are you thinking right now?

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Honestly, I'm thinking how a good leader leads is by serving, right?

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And I think you were such a good leader because before you got the role,

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you had the heart for it, you know what I mean?

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You had the desires for it.

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And I think a lot of people, they honestly, they want the role,

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but they don't have the heart or the desire or the passion or the call to do the job.

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So if you don't have any of those things and you're trying to be a leader,

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you're going to do it horrible.

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Like we have that in sometimes in the police department,

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sometimes you have that in the military, sometimes you have it as a pastor,

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sometimes you have it as a teacher, sometimes you have it as anything in life, right?

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Anybody who's at a leadership position who doesn't want to be there,

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hurts other people.

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And it happens because the heart is not behind it.

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Like I know there's tons of great cops, there's tons of great pastors,

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there's tons of great teachers, there's tons of great people in leadership,

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but the reason why they're so great is, I would say, three reasons.

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One, God called them to it.

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Two, they have the passion for it.

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And three, they think about how they can help others while doing it,

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but they don't let the role go to their head.

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That's good.

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I think that's good.

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I don't really have too much to add to that,

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but I think it brings us to our last point,

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talking about how as a leader, or pretty much if you want to lead anybody,

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if you want to influence anybody, you have to start with yourself.

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That change starts internally before you can go and try to focus on anybody externally.

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I... one of the verses I really like from the Bible,

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my favorite verse is Philippians 4-8, and I'll just read it real quick.

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It says, finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble,

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whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable,

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if anything is excellent or praiseworthy, think about such things.

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I think a lot of people, like, they think about such things like,

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oh, you're telling me how to think.

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Like, that's, like, you know, I choose that.

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That's my decision.

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That's something I can control.

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And newsflash, it's not.

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Not right off the bat.

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Not just through instinct alone.

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And I think the, whenever you're able to practice the skill of thinking

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and knowing the things that are noble, right, pure, lovely,

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admirable, excellent, excellent, or praiseworthy,

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whenever you're able to also take those thought captive,

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as it says in the book of Corinthians, like, and turn them,

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take any thought captive that is of God, which means it's not of love,

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it's not of joy, it's not of something that is good,

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and you give it to him so it can become something of him.

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and you're just bitter, you're angry, you're angry, or you're gossiping,

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like, that's not something that makes a good leader.

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You have to be able to lead yourself before you're ready to lead anybody else.

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And with, I think there's, last episode, we talked about trials.

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And we talked about, like, how, like, how, what our kind of experience with them.

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And I think one very positive part of trials is that,

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this is kind of something I didn't touch on last episode, what I wanted to,

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is that the trials, they're not like, it's kind of a revelation I kind of had the other day,

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and like, these trials are not for defining you, they're for refining you.

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They're for, they're for taking, they're for, they're for,

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they're for these moments of hard trials, the moments where you're,

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the moments where you're suffering, that's where your true self will come to the surface.

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You're either, like, you're either, you're either fall further down,

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because you don't have that solid foundation below you, beneath your feet,

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or you're going to rise further up, you're going to rise to the occasion.

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The, hmm.

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And I think those experiences, a lot of the time, at least in my experience with me,

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like, it's what's caused me to become a better leader.

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It's because it's forced me to be, have more of a humble mind.

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And think of myself, think, look at myself and be like, well, crap, I can't do this all on my own.

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So, like, who do I trust?

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Who do I trust that, who do I trust to have on my team?

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Who do I trust to help me out in this certain situation,

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so that I don't have to do it on my own?

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And I think that's, after starting with the trial of, like, learning, like,

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okay, well, if it starts inside me, of being able to turn my thoughts, captive to God,

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and then going to somebody else, and being leading them to be able to do the same,

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then how do you, then what's the next step after that?

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Sean, I'll let you take it.

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Honestly, I feel like that was good, man, like, honestly, a great leader has great counsel.

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There's a scripture in the Bible for that.

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I know the opposite scripture right now, which is, bad company corrupts good manners.

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I was thinking of, I was trying to figure out the one with great, great scripture,

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great leadership has good counsel.

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But, there's a whole point of, like, the people you surround yourself with,

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as a leader, especially as a leader, should be great counsel.

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Your inner circle has to be great counsel. Why?

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Because you're leading, and if you're not having somebody pour into you positively,

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then they're pouring into you negatively.

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And if you're leading, you need great counsel,

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so anytime you're doing something wrong, they can hold you accountable,

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so that you don't, the people under you don't get hurt.

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and he's too high, and he doesn't have nobody to hold him accountable.

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So then when he falls out of line with what God called him to do, or what he's supposed to do,

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he just makes people follow him blindly.

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And when you're following blindly behind a leader,

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that's where all the scandals and all the bad stuff happens.

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And it happens because you take yourself from focusing on God to focusing on you,

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and when you focus only on you, that's where the problem is, because we're not perfect.

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But if you focus on God as a leader, the people under you will get the love,

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the joy, the peace, the refining qualities that you get from all the trials that you face in life,

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you'll be able to use those qualities to help them be refined so they can get better.

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And it's like a triple down effect.

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Whatever is, you're focusing on God,

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then all the good stuff God's pouring onto you pours onto the people who are under you,

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and the people around you, and then it just keeps going down, and it keeps going.

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It's a flow. But if you move from the flow as a leader, that's where everything goes haywire.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I think I had something.

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Earlier I said when you're in the trial, you rise to the occasion, but it's not really true.

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What's, either you fall or you rise, and really it's both times you fall, it's just how about how far you fall.

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It's not, you might have heard this saying before, you don't rise to the occasion, you fall to the level of your training.

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Oh, that's good.

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And what that means is like, again, last episode, I talked about preparation, you prepare for the trial.

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So if you're, so like right now, I'm not in a massive leadership position, but I'm preparing like I am.

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Because one day I believe God has something out for me that will be bigger, maybe not,

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I don't even want to say better because I love what I do right now, but I would say I have a bigger point of influence than I have now.

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So I want to be ready for that when it comes and also be ready for the trials when they come.

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Because, yeah, so I think like if there's something that you want to be, would like to do in the future,

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if you see yourself as a leader, if you feel like you want to be a leader, you need to start now.

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You need to start preparing now, even if you don't have the position.

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The like, like I just told you this yesterday, Sean, like you've heard it before, before I said it,

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but it was like the best time to plant a seed was yesterday, was 10 years ago.

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Second best time is now.

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Yep, there we go.

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And like, so like if you haven't started preparing yet, start it.

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There's books, tons of books out there.

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Tons of tons of courses, tons of free courses, tons of paid courses.

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Like there's so be careful with those, by the way, I've got maybe we'll have another episode on that.

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Eight courses actually should be an episode.

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Make sure you get a good teacher when you're paying for money.

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Oh, man, there's a whole story behind that.

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I said, do you want to make an episode on that?

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But the you know, I think like we kind of covered a lot, we covered a lot in this episode and it's like,

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I think it was a nice compact one, too.

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Absolutely.

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So if you like this episode, definitely give it a like.

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You got to share it out with your friends.

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Give us five stars.

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Give us five stars on Spotify and whatever platform you can rate us and give us some comments on Apple podcast.

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If you have already, I'm sorry.

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I haven't seen them yet.

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I have to look because Sean has access to the account and I don't.

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But yeah, I guess honestly, really appreciate everybody that's been listening so far and everybody comes up to us and says like

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that they're really liking the podcast.

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I've had honestly had tons of people.

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I shouldn't say tons. I've had a few.

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I've had a few people come up and say that they really, really do enjoy the podcast and say that each episode gets better and better.

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So I really appreciate everyone that has said that. And I also we love for a technically short family.

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One that we'll talk about that off off the podcast.

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But I have another thing I want to say.

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But, uh, no, Sean, uh, that's the wrap up.

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Let's make this a short and sweet little and end.

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You know how these podcasts typically end with something, something fun when it wrap it up.

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I don't really.

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Hmm.

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Sean, what's your favorite anime?

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Anime. Oh, that's a hard one.

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It'd be between Naruto and Drammo Z.

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I guess Naruto has a better storyline, but Drammo Z I've been watching since I'm five.

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So that was like a lot of years.

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So I would have to go Drammo Z just because of it's where I started.

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Technically Speed Racer, but at the time nobody knew Speed Racer was anime.

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I didn't even know that for a while.

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Dude, I love my One Punch Man.

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Punch Man's good.

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It's not my favorite, but one of my favorite short animes.

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That's like a really one season anime, isn't it?

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Am I wrong?

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Two.

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Two seasons?

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Okay, short.

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Short season.

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A lot of the ones are short.

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A lot of the really good ones are really short.

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They make me mad.

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Me too.

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That's like the worst.

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You find the best anime of all time and it's 12 episodes.

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And you don't even realize it.

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You don't even realize it.

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You're like, oh, when's the next season coming out?

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I was like, oh, it's not.

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This came out in 2014.

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The worst.

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Worst pain of all time.

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My brother really hates that too.

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Aw man.

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But alright guys, again, thank you for listening.

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Again, share it, subscribe, do all the things, and we will see you next time.

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See you next time.