Hey guys, how's it going? Welcome to this episode of Technically Short. So this, I
think this is episode 7, I think. I think we are on episode 7. And yeah, so this
episode is definitely going to be, it's gonna be a little bit deeper than, I
think episode 6 was deep last episode about, was that the last one?
No, episode 3 was about relationships. That was definitely one of our deeper
conversations. This one says, this one might be, might be a little bit deeper,
it's a little bit more personal. I agree. And, but it's definitely gonna, it's gonna
help a lot. I do believe this conversation can help a lot of people. So
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Today's topic is gonna be titled, Living Through Trials. And really, it's all
really all based around, like, it's gonna be a lot of this based around personal,
personal experiences, personal revelations, and things that we've both
learned through the trials that we've lived through in our lives. And, and first,
I guess I skipped over the first part already. This is the first time I've ever
made a full outline for this, and I skipped already, I already skipped the
first one, but we'll just dive in now to some topics. But, but really what I want
to dive into is first give you kind of a basic, give you guys a basic
backstory and set a foundation for the conversation as to why this is
something that I, this is what this topic was my idea, and this is something I
specifically wanted to talk about. It's something I'm very passionate about. And
currently in my life, I'm going, I've been going through a trial that I've been
honestly going through it for about four, four-ish, almost five years, I think. And
really, and what it seems to be is to me, and so some doctors, it's nerve pain, but
some doctors have not, the doctors can, aren't really agreeing with other
doctors, and therapists can't, my occupational therapist couldn't figure,
it's stumped. So the current trial I'm going through is just, it's constant pain.
Sometimes it's mild, sometimes it's intense, but it's usually pretty
constant. And as of recently, today is August, sorry, August 20th, you know, this
episode is coming out coming out first Tuesday in September, but as of August
20th, I started feeling some tightness in my neck, and it's, so there's a whole
bunch of stuff, a whole bunch of things happening in my body that I don't know
what they are. And so I'm gonna, like, I'm gonna start, I'm gonna start this
conversation, and Sean, I'm just gonna tell you, you can, you can jump in
whenever with this. But I'm gonna start with talking about how with a trial,
actually Sean, before I just was going to dive in, I was gonna skip, I was gonna
skip you, what, what's the trial you wanted to talk about right this episode?
Oh, well, the trial I want to talk about this episode is, um, what I'm currently
facing. All the situations, all the problems, my current experiences, and, um,
I'll give a brief, um, I don't know how you would say it, a brief explanation on it, I
guess. Um, so currently what I'm facing, I'm facing new job, new career, new
opportunities, mental suffering from stress, and, uh, currently was just
injured on a roller coaster, so it was either somewhat of a concussion slash
vertigo type of deal, and that was another trial, and I'll dive deeper into
all the situations I'm currently facing, but that's just a little brief
explanation of what the topics I'm gonna talk about is. Yeah, awesome. So, and like,
um, yeah, just, just for, just to give a little bit more context, um, to Sean,
actually, I happened recently, recently, like within, like, like a week, within a
few days of recording this, um, so as far as, like, the vertigo goes, and, um,
I'm sure he'll dive more into what, uh, the doctor said and things like that,
uh, when we were there, because it definitely didn't help. But, um, so yeah,
so diving in, the first thing I want to talk about, like, with, like, Sean
mentioned it already, he's talking about these mental struggles, and with me, I'm
dealing with a, a seemingly, it is a physical struggle, however, trials in and
of themselves, even if it's a physical struggle, it's not just a physical
struggle. It, it's, it's just as much, it's not, honestly, sometimes more of a mental
struggle than it is a physical struggle. And the mental struggle is without,
through all trials. This is all, this is going to apply to every trial that anyone,
that anyone has ever faced, because a, I don't believe that's a bold statement to
make. The, the people deal with mental trials all the time, varying in degree,
but whenever you're in the, in the valley, and you're in these, in these
depths, you, like, you have to, like, the one thing that you have to do, or suffer
the consequences, is work, is work on, is choosing to either grow through the
trial and focus, think about how it's growing you, or how it can grow you, or
allow it to destroy you. And that's something I want to kind of talk about.
There's, like, with me and my, with me and my specific trial, I was asked earlier
today by one of our pastors, Pastor Christina, she, she asked me, like, she
prayed over me, and she asked me, she was the first person to ask me, like, how I'm
doing mentally. The, specifically mentally, I've, people have asked me before, like,
how are you doing? But she was the first person to actually ask me, like, how are,
how's your mind? And I could honestly say that I, even though my condition is worse
than it was a few months ago, I'm doing better mentally because of the, because
of the community and the tactics that I've applied, and the community that I've
surrounded myself with. One thing that I've done, and that prepared me for this,
initially, was starting to go to therapy. I have started, was already going to
therapy for almost, almost a year, I think. Yeah, almost a year, I think, before this
happened, before this really got bad, about a year ago. So, I think maybe I was going
for six months, whenever it started happening. It's almost been about a year
since it started getting, started getting worse. And going to therapy, and I
remembered, I think I was thinking about this yesterday, when I was preparing,
mentally preparing for this, for this episode, that for me, going to therapy is
not, like, you don't have to be going through a trial to go to therapy. But
that's, that's sometimes when people go to therapy, and then once the trial is
over, they stop. And I think that's, I honestly believe, I don't think, I know
that's a mistake. I believe people, like, everybody, I, I am a personal advocate
that for everybody having a therapist, or a counselor, or somebody that
understands the human mind better than they do. Because those are the people
that got appointed to know, to know and understand the tactics that, know and
understand the human mind and the tactics behind how to have a healthy one.
So my therapist, or me going to therapy, is not, wasn't just what John
Maxwell calls, he's a kind of a concept called, you're either preparing or
repairing. And for therapy, in my, in this instance, that's prepper, that was, at
first it was repairing my mind, after it was kind of, after I, after there are
things I had to deal with and go through, things that were already kind of
festering in my mind, and there had to be some repair, repairments done. Then
whenever I, then whenever I decided to keep going and that trial subsided, that
last trial subsided of repairing, it started, it started to be more of a
preparing season than a repairing season. And I, and I can think, I can, I know
that if I didn't have the tools that my therapist gave me, and all the mindsets
that my therapist helped me unlock, then I would be in such, so much of a
worse place than I am now. And it's that, that mixed with, that mixed with diving,
being surrounded by a good Christian community and diving into the Word of
God, specifically for me, the messages around mental health, around when, when
certain, certain people that are writing the Bible talk about anxiety and
stress, anxiety and stress and how to handle that. They say, like, there's,
they say, like, take every thought captive and give it to God so that he can turn
it around into something that is of God. Which means turning into something that
isn't turning, taking something that isn't, taking something that is good and
making it good. And that all happens, that happens, that sometimes it only happens
in the mind. Because right now, I'm really trying not to jump around too much.
I'm hoping I'm making sense to you guys. Sean, if you think there's anything I
need to, like, give more depth on, let me know. Yeah, I honestly think you're doing
a good job. You're staying straight to the point. Okay, thanks. Um, and I
definitely do, that's kind of, it was a more of a tangent with going to the
script, going to scripture. But let me go back to the therapy real quick. One of
my favorite tools that she gave me, at least, realizations that she gave me, is
she, I was in a depth of anger. Not, this was back about my past trial. I was angry
about a lot of things. Angry at myself, angry at people, and then I was
all, and like, I started getting anxious about other things. And she goes, Thomas,
I don't, she goes, I don't think God, God gave us emotions. God gave us these
emotions, so that means they're, like, we're meant to have them. So I don't, she
goes, I don't think God gave us emotions in order for us to not to use them. And
she was, so you can be angry, but don't stay there. You can be, you can, like,
angry, anger can be used for good, it can be used for bad, it's a tool just like
any other. And anger, in my sense, I was using, I was using my anger in the wrong
way. She said, like, it's a valid reason to maybe be angry, but it wasn't
inadvertently, she's like, it's okay to be sad, it's okay to be, have these feelings,
they're not technically, they're not technically negative feelings. It's all
about how you use them, and it's whether you stay there. I think that goes
back to whether you're going to let it build you or destroy you. I think, I know
like the specific lessons that I've learned through this trial of like
medical uncertainty, of not knowing anything about what's going on with me.
That, that for me was the biggest struggle. It's the not knowing, that's
always been a struggle with me. It's not, it's getting the uncomfortable and
like not understanding what's going on. And then getting, because of this is my
body, this is me, like I get stressed, I get extremely stressed out. And one time I
had a realization that like even though I don't know anything, I don't know
what's going on. I have, I have like slowly getting more of an understanding,
more of an idea, but I still don't know exactly what's happening. And, but God
knows. But God knows. Like he knows, like if he knows how many hairs are on my
head, he knows exactly the pain that I'm going through and knows exactly why. And
some people that maybe aren't Christians or maybe don't fully understand what I'm
talking about, I can, let me explain a little bit further into that. Why would
God let me be in pain? I had somebody at a men's small group asked me once if I,
if I was thankful, if I ever thanked God for the pain. And I didn't really get my,
first, first I didn't get much of an explanation about it. And then I asked,
then I, Sean and I, being roommates, we talked about it for, we talked about it
for a little bit and you helped me understand, like, and help me kind of
like figure it out. Like it's not, he's not saying like straight up just be
thankful for the pain. Right. What he was saying and I texted with him and made
sure that I verified it with him, make sure this is what he was saying. And it
makes a bunch of sense. That you're not thankful necessarily for the
pain in itself. You're thankful for the fact that if you're in pain, if you're in
pain, then there's a reason for it. Because God, like he could, he has the
power to just snap me, snap me back to feeling perfectly well. Absolutely. But if
he hasn't, then there's a reason for it. Because God is loving, God is joy. So if
God is love, God is joy, then what he's doing, if I fully trust and believe in
him, and I do, then I also believe that his reasoning is good. So for
whatever, so I don't need to know why I'm in pain or like why, I don't
need to know why I'm in pain physically. I just, I still will figure
it out. I don't need to know right now to be content in the not knowing. But I can
also, I can also know that God's working it out for his good. For his good and my
good, which means my good and for his glory. Because the
the pain of, I don't know where I was, I was going somewhere. So you're saying
the pain, it's gonna make you better. It's gonna take you to a higher level.
It's gonna take you to the next level. There we go. Yeah, thanks man. No problem.
Yeah, so it's, this is actually a really good concept. This concept
I was thinking about earlier is that like your, like life doesn't, like if you
if you start viewing life this way, none of your trials, it's gonna dull a lot of
the effects of the trials. Not, maybe not at first, but you replay this thought
in your head that life doesn't, life does not happen to you. It always happens for
you. And if it's always, if it only happens to you, then that's where it
stops. You're just, think you're just happening to you, good or bad, that's just,
that's where it stops. It doesn't matter the reasoning behind it. It just, that is
happening to you. You're a victim. But if it's happening for you, then it's, then if
it's happening for you, it doesn't stop there. Because there's, if it's happening
for you, then there's a reason that it was given, that this was given to you.
There's a reason behind why it's happening. And if you're, like Sean and I
believe in a good God who only does things for our good, then whatever is
going to happen, whatever is happening for you will be, it will be a good thing.
So that I can think back and think about all the fantastic things that have
happened because of going through this trial. And the growth I've gone through
because of this trial and the per, I'm not the same person that I was a year
ago. So I want to just encourage you, if you're going through a trial right now,
that, A, I want to, like, I just want to, I want to encourage you around the,
that's just like your trial that you're going through right now. I'm going to ask
you to stop being, stop acting the victim. And I also want you to look at it
from a perspective of how is this growing me. And get, there are actually
some instances where, yes, you may actually have been a victim in a
terrible thing. Something terrible could have happened to you by some other
person that did an act of evil. But there is still goodness on the other side of
it. Absolutely. There is still redemption on that. There is still, if it's something
that maybe you did, maybe you put yourself through a trial and then you're
putting yourself through a trial and it's something that you did, maybe
you did something and now you're dealing with a mental repercussions of it. There
is still redemption for that. There is, like, there is still a good God who
forgives and a good God who loves you and a good God who only wants to use
these things for your good. So how is it growing you? How can the understanding
of this trial grow you and how will that help the other people around you? Now there's
a whole other topic about how trials aren't just for you but they're
for the people around you. But I won't go too far into that. Yeah, Sean, if you want
to take it. Alright. I think that was really good, honestly. And I love the
rawness that you have, literally just letting everybody know what the issues,
all the trials that you're facing, and voila. Yeah, so like, I love the
rawness of it. Alright, I'll go into my trials before we start asking each other
questions and stuff. Okay, so my trials, one of them, I put my own self in. Yes,
some trials that you do, you could be the cause. You could be the reason of your mental
frustration, your mental suffering. You can be that reason. Why? Because we do
stupid things sometimes. For instance, I did something stupid at work that caused
me my job. Was it criminal? No. I don't even think it was a sin but it still was
stupid and that literally cost me my job, right? So I had to face that and as I'm
facing that, then I was also hit with something that I didn't control,
something that was beyond my experience, something that was just unexpected.
After looking for a new career and all that, I'm enjoying myself at an amusement
park, Kenny Lloyd, and then I'm faced with another trial which is either
concussion or vertigo or both or whatever. The doctor didn't really check
me out at all. They really just put some, they checked for my
heart rate and they gave me IV and that's just nutrients and stuff so they
keep you from being dehydrated and they just prescribed me for vertigo. They
didn't do a CAT scan or anything to check on me but during that trial, I
learned something different which was no matter what we're facing in life, no
matter what trial you put yourself through or what trial was just given to
you by the enemy or for God for your, for His glory, there is always
goodness on the other side of the trial. So even though I'm facing all these
things like okay new career opportunities, the stress that comes with
okay where am I going to go, where am I going to, what am I going to do and the
mental of trying to get my mind back and my body back to being fully healthy
after the vertigo and concussion. All, even though I'm facing all these things, I
have to remember that God is good, that God has something for me on the other
side. So our trials, though they are hard, they make you better and not only do
they make you better but then you can use that what you overcame to help other
people. So it's never about us but it's about more. So your story turns to God's
glory for other people's use. Now people have been through all sorts of types of
trials like you have women who are raped, right? You have two outcomes of that,
right? You have one who's like I'm a victim and this was awfully done,
something horrific was done to me and then you have another who could say this
horrific event that happened to me, I am going to use it for God's glory. Now
she's helping other women who were raped and you see that and stuff like that and
same thing when people are murdered you have two types of outcomes too like will
the family use it for God's glory or will they just use it for their own
suffering? In life we have two choices, God's glory, your suffering. You could be
the victim of your problem or you could use whatever problem that was given to
you for God's glory and I think that's something that's just truly amazing that
God gives us the opportunity to be like okay while I'm suffering I can either
blame God of like what Job's friends did in the Bible when Job first lost all
his cattle then he ended up getting plagued by Satan and like physically like
making them have boils on his body and then Satan even kills all of his kids
and his friends come to Job and say just curse God and die. His wife says that
too though like God's clearly not on your side but Job he stays
faithful. He realizes that no matter what God is good and God will work this out
for his glory so you know what happens at the end of Job? Job is blessed with
double amount of kids, double amount of wealth and his body is healed and like
so all the things he faced he overcame by staying focused on God and reminding
himself who God is and that was the double blessing on his life so I have to
try to do that every time I face a trial and honestly it's hard it is hard.
Biggest trial for me is because like when I go through suffering I like to
be like oh it sucks this is this and then I need other people other
brethren and other people to encourage me during my trial so I'm like oh they're
like yeah but God will use this for your glory and his glory I'm like oh yeah
and you're right and that gives me the energy that and that gives me the word
of God stirs the fire into me and the anointing and then I realize okay yeah
keep my eyes focused on God and things will be good so um that's that's the
trial.
I was writing some things in the notes and I think we kind of already answered
the questions that you wrote down but the one you can ask what's the one
question that you have. Okay um so what was your most significant trial and what
did you learn from it Thomas? I think kind of already talking my most significant
trial I'm gonna say is the one I'm going through right now and I was actually
writing down something like that honestly it's been one of the biggest
realizations for me while going through this one of the biggest lessons I've
learned is and this doesn't just apply to my trial this applies to my life is
that I can't do it all by myself and which means like I would just means like
a I can't just handle this trial I can't carry this weight on my own because hey
I wasn't created to I was created to handle this weight by myself that's why
I got us like we can give this I can give this to God I can also share it
with others share with other I can share it with friends who only want to build
me up that only want to pour into me that will allow me to just talk to them
and rant and just and just be and just talk about like this is what I'm going
through this is what just happened I've called a friend after a doctor I had a
call with a doctor and I just cried I just cried on the phone with him for
like 30 minutes while and like expressing my frustration my stress I
was going through and he just listened and those are the kinds of people you
want in your life is the people that will come alongside you so that when the
going does get tough they don't run away in that you would these are the people
that you can go to with that they're not they're not just going to be there they're
not just going to if you start to rant and complain they're not going to just
sit there and agree with you that yeah that sucks no they're gonna they're
gonna they're gonna come alongside you and say hey let's deal with this
together they're like yes this is not great like yeah this is an odd great
situation like and sometimes maybe they'll ask what can we do about it or
they're gonna or they're just gonna be like let's just sit in it this is it
with this is sit together and be together so that you're so you don't
because you don't have to be alone and this and then this concept doesn't just
apply to that's what I just talked about it's also like more personally this is
something I struggled with whenever it comes to what I do with the church is
pretty I do production with our own adult group and for a while the team
was just me and I wasn't really working on building the team that much and I
was just more focused on how can I make sure this is a smooth experience for
everybody but I was always experience like a bit more more thinking about how
can I do it right and once I started getting into so much pain that I realized
I was like I can't actually do this by myself there David our friend David on
Sunday I asked him he expressed interest one day about maybe joining
production on Sundays and I was like hey man I'm gonna need help I think I asked
him on Saturday if I can be here to keep it up on Sunday if you can help out
that I know you expressed some interest if you can help me out and take my place
and I'll guide you through how to do it that'd be awesome he said yes and he's
still serving on production like and then he also helped on helps on Wednesdays
and he started doing the production team where it was just me that he joined the
team and then that made me realize like man this is so much easier with other
people around I don't get I don't have to do this by myself like and now the
team is has more people that then I could have that I could have like the
team and then we even need and it's great we can rotate people up and people
can take a break and it's all because of go I it's all because of what God's
taught me through this trial would I have learned that eventually maybe but
it would take a lot longer like this like put that part of me it humbled me
it this trial it humbled me so much to be realized like I actually can't not I
can't do things by myself not just physically but like met the mental toll
it takes to actually try to do things by yourself like that's a weight and it's
not it's a minute it's like if you're like me maybe that you don't like maybe
you're good at not showing it and there's certain people that can see it
maybe maybe you're good at not showing it and you can just you hold it in and
then when you get home you just let you let it out when you're by yourself and
that's not a healthy way to be that's just be speaking through experience my
own vulnerable experience and so yeah I think the biggest thing I've learned was
that even right now like don't have to be going through a trial for to apply
this like whatever you go whatever you're happy whatever you're doing right
now don't do it by yourself and whatever it is that's it what about you all right
um for me biggest thing I learned during this trial honestly is to lean more on
God right so I agree with you you can't do a trial by yourself and I I think
leaning on God and realizing okay what is what am I learning right now during
this trial what is God trying to teach me what should I do that I don't need to
repeat when it's a personal trial what did you cost your own self and so I
learned in this trial that for one leaning on God for two maintain self
control because self-control can keep you out of so much personal trials um if
I had self-control that day I wouldn't have done that stupid thing at work and
I would have eventually left my career there rather than have to be forced out
you know so self-control was big trial for me so I mean a big something I
learned something I can always use is more self-control so definitely not I'll
definitely say that um now let's see I have a second question for you I like
this one okay good all right this question I know Thomas didn't like this
one I don't think we need this one for that it knows I still think it is um
what do you find more difficult mental or physical trials the reason why I like
this question is because it's specific for a person like everybody's different
somebody's gonna like all like physical trials better or I like mental trials
better because it's who they are I think the way you're saying that's weird you
say I like this type of trial better I don't think people like anybody like
the question itself is what do you find more difficult there's no like that at
all honestly I I'm gonna stick with what I said before I think they're pretty
much I don't think I think a trial is a trial because you know it's always
mental if every trial is a mental trial so I don't really think one's greater
personally I don't think one is harder to deal with I think than the other it
all depends like you kind of what you said it depends it depends on who you
are in the preparation that you did preparation that you did beforehand
whether you knew you were preparing or not for that to be in a trial I don't
watch I don't think people actually know they're going to be in a trial before
they're in it but so that means that you need to be preparing in expectation of
being in one because one day you will be that's just a part of life so I think
preparing a thing so I think all trials are mental trials and sometimes other
things like visit like the physical traits of them sometimes sprinkled into
that but that just that adds to that that that is a reason of the that met
physical trial is also a mental cross I don't really think they're too much
different for me if I'm I'm being honest I'm I think physical trials are harder
right because like mentally I think we all go through things but physically
it's it's harder because you're you're dealing with something that you naturally
normally know your body shouldn't be you should be be capable of doing right so
for instance like my vertigo thing it was it was more of being able not to be
able to be who I am as independent and it also was me not being able to just
walk normally or run or drive or do anything that I normally would be able
to physically be able to do but because it is a physical trial there was
literally nothing I can do but focus on God and go to the emergency room get
some medicine and then just rest and hope that and I'm praying that I would
get better mentally I think we face a lot of things mentally and I feel like
if you're physically fine I think it's a lot easier in my opinion to deal with
any type of mental issue but when you're physically not fine for whatever reason
whatever trial you're in I think it's a lot harder mentally because that's
something that now you're like you're just adding more weight to you because
you already have to deal with things in the life but when your body is not
working the way it should be it's painful and I feel like it's more of a
trial more of a difficulty than it is when it's just mental stuff you have to
deal with yeah I can get that I can get that to an extent I think yeah but so
that pretty much ends that ends the main portion of this conversation but that
so that brings that brings us down to our little segment where we just we
just have we have a different different type of discussion about pretty much
any pretty much anything just you know a little bit of a lighter discussion maybe
one day we'll actually give it a title lighter tones but my question for Sean
today and this is this this this is I love you're a strange person Sean why do
you think it's okay to put ketchup on steak oh okay well I honestly think it
it is okay not it's always in certain circumstances like for instance if
somebody cooked your steak wrong they get new steak no you're not gonna waste
the steak it's a steak um you're gonna get a new chick I'm just gonna put
ketchup on it I put barbecue sauce on it like if it's not cooked correctly like I
like my stuff to have some pink in it so if it's like um what's it called when
it's fully cooked I forget like well done well done if it's something like
well done or something like that then I would definitely put ketchup on it um or
barbecue sauce or Worcestershire sauce or anything that would make it taste
better because when things are not cooked right I feel like sauce you can
just sauce things over I think we do that in life I don't actually agree oh my
gosh I think that if you go somewhere to buy the order of steak and the cook it
wrong you send it back and if they don't and if you go into a place that
explicitly known for their steak you put ketchup on it then you shouldn't have
gone to that place you shouldn't be there but what if it's like your parents
or somebody and they cooked cooked your steak if you're known they and they
cooked it wrong you're like I don't want to do this to mom like mom you cook
steak wrong you just you're gonna put some sauce on it right yeah yeah I get
that that never came up in our discussions before if my mom cooked my
steak I think I'm not I'd be honest I don't think I'm expecting like I'm not
expecting the same kind of culinary art that I'm expecting right so like I'm just
honestly I don't put ketchup my steak at all because I think that's weird but
they did you put barbecue sauce or some type where I would put like a maybe a1
but a1 yeah but like the but no I could get that but I guess yeah I was more
talking about if you're going to like I if you're going to like an act like a
steakhouse and you're going hey and they sometimes you'll see that they
purposely do not put sauce on the table because they're like you won't need it
and then you're like got some ketchup in the back like we didn't give you fries
man yeah if I if I asked for ketchup or if I as if it was bad yeah but I'll just
sauce it over and I don't want to hurt nobody's feelings I'm usually that way
yeah you do it wrong man you're doing it again totally fair I agree with both
views because when you get what you pay for so if you're paying for an expensive
steak you do deserve it to be cooked the way you like it but at the same time
like some of the waiters and the cooks they'd be like stressed out this is a
rough day always gets down the kitchen I know there's a rough day for them I don't
I don't like being like hey um this wasn't done right bring it back I need
another one I mean I would do it if it was like something I'm allergic to or if
it's like sweet potatoes yams pumpkin pie or plantains or anything I just
generally don't like but other than that I'll never send it back yeah I'm gonna
put I'm gonna think about this I want to put a question this will be on Spotify
for our majority of Spotify listeners for the chefs out there is it okay to put
ketchup on steak we're gonna put a poll of yes or no
or barbecue sauce no no we're just taking ketchup that was our main
discussion point before we've had this discussion before and you were dying on
that hill I honestly still like I said I'll put ketchup on anything almost
almost anything but yeah that's so that ends this episode not really sure how
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