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Hey guys, how's it going? Welcome to this episode of Technically Short. So this, I

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think this is episode 7, I think. I think we are on episode 7. And yeah, so this

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episode is definitely going to be, it's gonna be a little bit deeper than, I

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think episode 6 was deep last episode about, was that the last one?

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No, episode 3 was about relationships. That was definitely one of our deeper

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conversations. This one says, this one might be, might be a little bit deeper,

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it's a little bit more personal. I agree. And, but it's definitely gonna, it's gonna

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help a lot. I do believe this conversation can help a lot of people. So

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Only five stars. Four is okay too. But, but alright, so let's dive into the topic.

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Today's topic is gonna be titled, Living Through Trials. And really, it's all

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really all based around, like, it's gonna be a lot of this based around personal,

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personal experiences, personal revelations, and things that we've both

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learned through the trials that we've lived through in our lives. And, and first,

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I guess I skipped over the first part already. This is the first time I've ever

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made a full outline for this, and I skipped already, I already skipped the

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first one, but we'll just dive in now to some topics. But, but really what I want

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to dive into is first give you kind of a basic, give you guys a basic

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backstory and set a foundation for the conversation as to why this is

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something that I, this is what this topic was my idea, and this is something I

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specifically wanted to talk about. It's something I'm very passionate about. And

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currently in my life, I'm going, I've been going through a trial that I've been

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honestly going through it for about four, four-ish, almost five years, I think. And

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really, and what it seems to be is to me, and so some doctors, it's nerve pain, but

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some doctors have not, the doctors can, aren't really agreeing with other

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doctors, and therapists can't, my occupational therapist couldn't figure,

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it's stumped. So the current trial I'm going through is just, it's constant pain.

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Sometimes it's mild, sometimes it's intense, but it's usually pretty

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constant. And as of recently, today is August, sorry, August 20th, you know, this

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episode is coming out coming out first Tuesday in September, but as of August

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20th, I started feeling some tightness in my neck, and it's, so there's a whole

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bunch of stuff, a whole bunch of things happening in my body that I don't know

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what they are. And so I'm gonna, like, I'm gonna start, I'm gonna start this

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conversation, and Sean, I'm just gonna tell you, you can, you can jump in

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whenever with this. But I'm gonna start with talking about how with a trial,

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actually Sean, before I just was going to dive in, I was gonna skip, I was gonna

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skip you, what, what's the trial you wanted to talk about right this episode?

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Oh, well, the trial I want to talk about this episode is, um, what I'm currently

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facing. All the situations, all the problems, my current experiences, and, um,

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I'll give a brief, um, I don't know how you would say it, a brief explanation on it, I

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guess. Um, so currently what I'm facing, I'm facing new job, new career, new

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opportunities, mental suffering from stress, and, uh, currently was just

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injured on a roller coaster, so it was either somewhat of a concussion slash

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vertigo type of deal, and that was another trial, and I'll dive deeper into

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all the situations I'm currently facing, but that's just a little brief

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explanation of what the topics I'm gonna talk about is. Yeah, awesome. So, and like,

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um, yeah, just, just for, just to give a little bit more context, um, to Sean,

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actually, I happened recently, recently, like within, like, like a week, within a

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few days of recording this, um, so as far as, like, the vertigo goes, and, um,

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I'm sure he'll dive more into what, uh, the doctor said and things like that,

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uh, when we were there, because it definitely didn't help. But, um, so yeah,

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so diving in, the first thing I want to talk about, like, with, like, Sean

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mentioned it already, he's talking about these mental struggles, and with me, I'm

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dealing with a, a seemingly, it is a physical struggle, however, trials in and

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of themselves, even if it's a physical struggle, it's not just a physical

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struggle. It, it's, it's just as much, it's not, honestly, sometimes more of a mental

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struggle than it is a physical struggle. And the mental struggle is without,

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through all trials. This is all, this is going to apply to every trial that anyone,

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that anyone has ever faced, because a, I don't believe that's a bold statement to

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make. The, the people deal with mental trials all the time, varying in degree,

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but whenever you're in the, in the valley, and you're in these, in these

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depths, you, like, you have to, like, the one thing that you have to do, or suffer

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the consequences, is work, is work on, is choosing to either grow through the

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trial and focus, think about how it's growing you, or how it can grow you, or

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allow it to destroy you. And that's something I want to kind of talk about.

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There's, like, with me and my, with me and my specific trial, I was asked earlier

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today by one of our pastors, Pastor Christina, she, she asked me, like, she

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prayed over me, and she asked me, she was the first person to ask me, like, how I'm

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doing mentally. The, specifically mentally, I've, people have asked me before, like,

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how are you doing? But she was the first person to actually ask me, like, how are,

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how's your mind? And I could honestly say that I, even though my condition is worse

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than it was a few months ago, I'm doing better mentally because of the, because

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of the community and the tactics that I've applied, and the community that I've

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surrounded myself with. One thing that I've done, and that prepared me for this,

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initially, was starting to go to therapy. I have started, was already going to

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therapy for almost, almost a year, I think. Yeah, almost a year, I think, before this

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happened, before this really got bad, about a year ago. So, I think maybe I was going

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for six months, whenever it started happening. It's almost been about a year

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since it started getting, started getting worse. And going to therapy, and I

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remembered, I think I was thinking about this yesterday, when I was preparing,

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mentally preparing for this, for this episode, that for me, going to therapy is

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not, like, you don't have to be going through a trial to go to therapy. But

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that's, that's sometimes when people go to therapy, and then once the trial is

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over, they stop. And I think that's, I honestly believe, I don't think, I know

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that's a mistake. I believe people, like, everybody, I, I am a personal advocate

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that for everybody having a therapist, or a counselor, or somebody that

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understands the human mind better than they do. Because those are the people

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that got appointed to know, to know and understand the tactics that, know and

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understand the human mind and the tactics behind how to have a healthy one.

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So my therapist, or me going to therapy, is not, wasn't just what John

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Maxwell calls, he's a kind of a concept called, you're either preparing or

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repairing. And for therapy, in my, in this instance, that's prepper, that was, at

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first it was repairing my mind, after it was kind of, after I, after there are

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things I had to deal with and go through, things that were already kind of

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festering in my mind, and there had to be some repair, repairments done. Then

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whenever I, then whenever I decided to keep going and that trial subsided, that

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last trial subsided of repairing, it started, it started to be more of a

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preparing season than a repairing season. And I, and I can think, I can, I know

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that if I didn't have the tools that my therapist gave me, and all the mindsets

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that my therapist helped me unlock, then I would be in such, so much of a

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worse place than I am now. And it's that, that mixed with, that mixed with diving,

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being surrounded by a good Christian community and diving into the Word of

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God, specifically for me, the messages around mental health, around when, when

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certain, certain people that are writing the Bible talk about anxiety and

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stress, anxiety and stress and how to handle that. They say, like, there's,

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they say, like, take every thought captive and give it to God so that he can turn

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it around into something that is of God. Which means turning into something that

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isn't turning, taking something that isn't, taking something that is good and

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making it good. And that all happens, that happens, that sometimes it only happens

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in the mind. Because right now, I'm really trying not to jump around too much.

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I'm hoping I'm making sense to you guys. Sean, if you think there's anything I

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need to, like, give more depth on, let me know. Yeah, I honestly think you're doing

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a good job. You're staying straight to the point. Okay, thanks. Um, and I

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definitely do, that's kind of, it was a more of a tangent with going to the

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script, going to scripture. But let me go back to the therapy real quick. One of

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my favorite tools that she gave me, at least, realizations that she gave me, is

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she, I was in a depth of anger. Not, this was back about my past trial. I was angry

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about a lot of things. Angry at myself, angry at people, and then I was

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all, and like, I started getting anxious about other things. And she goes, Thomas,

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I don't, she goes, I don't think God, God gave us emotions. God gave us these

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emotions, so that means they're, like, we're meant to have them. So I don't, she

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goes, I don't think God gave us emotions in order for us to not to use them. And

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she was, so you can be angry, but don't stay there. You can be, you can, like,

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angry, anger can be used for good, it can be used for bad, it's a tool just like

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any other. And anger, in my sense, I was using, I was using my anger in the wrong

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way. She said, like, it's a valid reason to maybe be angry, but it wasn't

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inadvertently, she's like, it's okay to be sad, it's okay to be, have these feelings,

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they're not technically, they're not technically negative feelings. It's all

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about how you use them, and it's whether you stay there. I think that goes

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back to whether you're going to let it build you or destroy you. I think, I know

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like the specific lessons that I've learned through this trial of like

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medical uncertainty, of not knowing anything about what's going on with me.

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That, that for me was the biggest struggle. It's the not knowing, that's

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always been a struggle with me. It's not, it's getting the uncomfortable and

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like not understanding what's going on. And then getting, because of this is my

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body, this is me, like I get stressed, I get extremely stressed out. And one time I

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had a realization that like even though I don't know anything, I don't know

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what's going on. I have, I have like slowly getting more of an understanding,

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more of an idea, but I still don't know exactly what's happening. And, but God

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knows. But God knows. Like he knows, like if he knows how many hairs are on my

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head, he knows exactly the pain that I'm going through and knows exactly why. And

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some people that maybe aren't Christians or maybe don't fully understand what I'm

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talking about, I can, let me explain a little bit further into that. Why would

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God let me be in pain? I had somebody at a men's small group asked me once if I,

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if I was thankful, if I ever thanked God for the pain. And I didn't really get my,

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first, first I didn't get much of an explanation about it. And then I asked,

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then I, Sean and I, being roommates, we talked about it for, we talked about it

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for a little bit and you helped me understand, like, and help me kind of

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like figure it out. Like it's not, he's not saying like straight up just be

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thankful for the pain. Right. What he was saying and I texted with him and made

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sure that I verified it with him, make sure this is what he was saying. And it

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makes a bunch of sense. That you're not thankful necessarily for the

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pain in itself. You're thankful for the fact that if you're in pain, if you're in

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pain, then there's a reason for it. Because God, like he could, he has the

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power to just snap me, snap me back to feeling perfectly well. Absolutely. But if

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he hasn't, then there's a reason for it. Because God is loving, God is joy. So if

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God is love, God is joy, then what he's doing, if I fully trust and believe in

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him, and I do, then I also believe that his reasoning is good. So for

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whatever, so I don't need to know why I'm in pain or like why, I don't

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need to know why I'm in pain physically. I just, I still will figure

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it out. I don't need to know right now to be content in the not knowing. But I can

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also, I can also know that God's working it out for his good. For his good and my

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good, which means my good and for his glory. Because the

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the pain of, I don't know where I was, I was going somewhere. So you're saying

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the pain, it's gonna make you better. It's gonna take you to a higher level.

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It's gonna take you to the next level. There we go. Yeah, thanks man. No problem.

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Yeah, so it's, this is actually a really good concept. This concept

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I was thinking about earlier is that like your, like life doesn't, like if you

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if you start viewing life this way, none of your trials, it's gonna dull a lot of

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the effects of the trials. Not, maybe not at first, but you replay this thought

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in your head that life doesn't, life does not happen to you. It always happens for

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you. And if it's always, if it only happens to you, then that's where it

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stops. You're just, think you're just happening to you, good or bad, that's just,

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that's where it stops. It doesn't matter the reasoning behind it. It just, that is

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happening to you. You're a victim. But if it's happening for you, then it's, then if

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it's happening for you, it doesn't stop there. Because there's, if it's happening

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for you, then there's a reason that it was given, that this was given to you.

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There's a reason behind why it's happening. And if you're, like Sean and I

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believe in a good God who only does things for our good, then whatever is

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going to happen, whatever is happening for you will be, it will be a good thing.

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So that I can think back and think about all the fantastic things that have

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happened because of going through this trial. And the growth I've gone through

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because of this trial and the per, I'm not the same person that I was a year

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ago. So I want to just encourage you, if you're going through a trial right now,

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that, A, I want to, like, I just want to, I want to encourage you around the,

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that's just like your trial that you're going through right now. I'm going to ask

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you to stop being, stop acting the victim. And I also want you to look at it

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from a perspective of how is this growing me. And get, there are actually

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some instances where, yes, you may actually have been a victim in a

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terrible thing. Something terrible could have happened to you by some other

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person that did an act of evil. But there is still goodness on the other side of

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it. Absolutely. There is still redemption on that. There is still, if it's something

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that maybe you did, maybe you put yourself through a trial and then you're

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putting yourself through a trial and it's something that you did, maybe

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you did something and now you're dealing with a mental repercussions of it. There

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is still redemption for that. There is, like, there is still a good God who

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forgives and a good God who loves you and a good God who only wants to use

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these things for your good. So how is it growing you? How can the understanding

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of this trial grow you and how will that help the other people around you? Now there's

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a whole other topic about how trials aren't just for you but they're

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for the people around you. But I won't go too far into that. Yeah, Sean, if you want

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to take it. Alright. I think that was really good, honestly. And I love the

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rawness that you have, literally just letting everybody know what the issues,

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all the trials that you're facing, and voila. Yeah, so like, I love the

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rawness of it. Alright, I'll go into my trials before we start asking each other

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questions and stuff. Okay, so my trials, one of them, I put my own self in. Yes,

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some trials that you do, you could be the cause. You could be the reason of your mental

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frustration, your mental suffering. You can be that reason. Why? Because we do

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stupid things sometimes. For instance, I did something stupid at work that caused

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me my job. Was it criminal? No. I don't even think it was a sin but it still was

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stupid and that literally cost me my job, right? So I had to face that and as I'm

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facing that, then I was also hit with something that I didn't control,

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something that was beyond my experience, something that was just unexpected.

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After looking for a new career and all that, I'm enjoying myself at an amusement

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park, Kenny Lloyd, and then I'm faced with another trial which is either

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concussion or vertigo or both or whatever. The doctor didn't really check

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me out at all. They really just put some, they checked for my

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heart rate and they gave me IV and that's just nutrients and stuff so they

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keep you from being dehydrated and they just prescribed me for vertigo. They

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didn't do a CAT scan or anything to check on me but during that trial, I

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learned something different which was no matter what we're facing in life, no

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matter what trial you put yourself through or what trial was just given to

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you by the enemy or for God for your, for His glory, there is always

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goodness on the other side of the trial. So even though I'm facing all these

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things like okay new career opportunities, the stress that comes with

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okay where am I going to go, where am I going to, what am I going to do and the

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mental of trying to get my mind back and my body back to being fully healthy

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after the vertigo and concussion. All, even though I'm facing all these things, I

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have to remember that God is good, that God has something for me on the other

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side. So our trials, though they are hard, they make you better and not only do

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they make you better but then you can use that what you overcame to help other

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people. So it's never about us but it's about more. So your story turns to God's

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glory for other people's use. Now people have been through all sorts of types of

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trials like you have women who are raped, right? You have two outcomes of that,

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right? You have one who's like I'm a victim and this was awfully done,

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something horrific was done to me and then you have another who could say this

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horrific event that happened to me, I am going to use it for God's glory. Now

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she's helping other women who were raped and you see that and stuff like that and

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same thing when people are murdered you have two types of outcomes too like will

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the family use it for God's glory or will they just use it for their own

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suffering? In life we have two choices, God's glory, your suffering. You could be

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the victim of your problem or you could use whatever problem that was given to

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you for God's glory and I think that's something that's just truly amazing that

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God gives us the opportunity to be like okay while I'm suffering I can either

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blame God of like what Job's friends did in the Bible when Job first lost all

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his cattle then he ended up getting plagued by Satan and like physically like

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making them have boils on his body and then Satan even kills all of his kids

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and his friends come to Job and say just curse God and die. His wife says that

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too though like God's clearly not on your side but Job he stays

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faithful. He realizes that no matter what God is good and God will work this out

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for his glory so you know what happens at the end of Job? Job is blessed with

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double amount of kids, double amount of wealth and his body is healed and like

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so all the things he faced he overcame by staying focused on God and reminding

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himself who God is and that was the double blessing on his life so I have to

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try to do that every time I face a trial and honestly it's hard it is hard.

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Biggest trial for me is because like when I go through suffering I like to

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be like oh it sucks this is this and then I need other people other

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brethren and other people to encourage me during my trial so I'm like oh they're

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like yeah but God will use this for your glory and his glory I'm like oh yeah

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and you're right and that gives me the energy that and that gives me the word

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of God stirs the fire into me and the anointing and then I realize okay yeah

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keep my eyes focused on God and things will be good so um that's that's the

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I was writing some things in the notes and I think we kind of already answered

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the questions that you wrote down but the one you can ask what's the one

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question that you have. Okay um so what was your most significant trial and what

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did you learn from it Thomas? I think kind of already talking my most significant

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trial I'm gonna say is the one I'm going through right now and I was actually

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writing down something like that honestly it's been one of the biggest

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realizations for me while going through this one of the biggest lessons I've

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learned is and this doesn't just apply to my trial this applies to my life is

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that I can't do it all by myself and which means like I would just means like

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a I can't just handle this trial I can't carry this weight on my own because hey

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I wasn't created to I was created to handle this weight by myself that's why

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I got us like we can give this I can give this to God I can also share it

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with others share with other I can share it with friends who only want to build

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me up that only want to pour into me that will allow me to just talk to them

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and rant and just and just be and just talk about like this is what I'm going

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through this is what just happened I've called a friend after a doctor I had a

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call with a doctor and I just cried I just cried on the phone with him for

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like 30 minutes while and like expressing my frustration my stress I

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was going through and he just listened and those are the kinds of people you

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want in your life is the people that will come alongside you so that when the

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going does get tough they don't run away in that you would these are the people

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that you can go to with that they're not they're not just going to be there they're

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not just going to if you start to rant and complain they're not going to just

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sit there and agree with you that yeah that sucks no they're gonna they're

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gonna they're gonna come alongside you and say hey let's deal with this

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together they're like yes this is not great like yeah this is an odd great

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situation like and sometimes maybe they'll ask what can we do about it or

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they're gonna or they're just gonna be like let's just sit in it this is it

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with this is sit together and be together so that you're so you don't

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because you don't have to be alone and this and then this concept doesn't just

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apply to that's what I just talked about it's also like more personally this is

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something I struggled with whenever it comes to what I do with the church is

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pretty I do production with our own adult group and for a while the team

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was just me and I wasn't really working on building the team that much and I

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was just more focused on how can I make sure this is a smooth experience for

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everybody but I was always experience like a bit more more thinking about how

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can I do it right and once I started getting into so much pain that I realized

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I was like I can't actually do this by myself there David our friend David on

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Sunday I asked him he expressed interest one day about maybe joining

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production on Sundays and I was like hey man I'm gonna need help I think I asked

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him on Saturday if I can be here to keep it up on Sunday if you can help out

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that I know you expressed some interest if you can help me out and take my place

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and I'll guide you through how to do it that'd be awesome he said yes and he's

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still serving on production like and then he also helped on helps on Wednesdays

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and he started doing the production team where it was just me that he joined the

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team and then that made me realize like man this is so much easier with other

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people around I don't get I don't have to do this by myself like and now the

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team is has more people that then I could have that I could have like the

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team and then we even need and it's great we can rotate people up and people

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can take a break and it's all because of go I it's all because of what God's

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taught me through this trial would I have learned that eventually maybe but

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it would take a lot longer like this like put that part of me it humbled me

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it this trial it humbled me so much to be realized like I actually can't not I

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can't do things by myself not just physically but like met the mental toll

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it takes to actually try to do things by yourself like that's a weight and it's

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not it's a minute it's like if you're like me maybe that you don't like maybe

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you're good at not showing it and there's certain people that can see it

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maybe maybe you're good at not showing it and you can just you hold it in and

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then when you get home you just let you let it out when you're by yourself and

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that's not a healthy way to be that's just be speaking through experience my

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own vulnerable experience and so yeah I think the biggest thing I've learned was

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that even right now like don't have to be going through a trial for to apply

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this like whatever you go whatever you're happy whatever you're doing right

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now don't do it by yourself and whatever it is that's it what about you all right

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um for me biggest thing I learned during this trial honestly is to lean more on

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God right so I agree with you you can't do a trial by yourself and I I think

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leaning on God and realizing okay what is what am I learning right now during

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this trial what is God trying to teach me what should I do that I don't need to

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repeat when it's a personal trial what did you cost your own self and so I

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learned in this trial that for one leaning on God for two maintain self

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control because self-control can keep you out of so much personal trials um if

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I had self-control that day I wouldn't have done that stupid thing at work and

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I would have eventually left my career there rather than have to be forced out

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you know so self-control was big trial for me so I mean a big something I

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learned something I can always use is more self-control so definitely not I'll

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definitely say that um now let's see I have a second question for you I like

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this one okay good all right this question I know Thomas didn't like this

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one I don't think we need this one for that it knows I still think it is um

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what do you find more difficult mental or physical trials the reason why I like

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this question is because it's specific for a person like everybody's different

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somebody's gonna like all like physical trials better or I like mental trials

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better because it's who they are I think the way you're saying that's weird you

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say I like this type of trial better I don't think people like anybody like

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the question itself is what do you find more difficult there's no like that at

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all honestly I I'm gonna stick with what I said before I think they're pretty

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much I don't think I think a trial is a trial because you know it's always

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mental if every trial is a mental trial so I don't really think one's greater

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personally I don't think one is harder to deal with I think than the other it

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all depends like you kind of what you said it depends it depends on who you

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are in the preparation that you did preparation that you did beforehand

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whether you knew you were preparing or not for that to be in a trial I don't

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watch I don't think people actually know they're going to be in a trial before

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they're in it but so that means that you need to be preparing in expectation of

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being in one because one day you will be that's just a part of life so I think

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preparing a thing so I think all trials are mental trials and sometimes other

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things like visit like the physical traits of them sometimes sprinkled into

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that but that just that adds to that that that is a reason of the that met

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physical trial is also a mental cross I don't really think they're too much

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different for me if I'm I'm being honest I'm I think physical trials are harder

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right because like mentally I think we all go through things but physically

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it's it's harder because you're you're dealing with something that you naturally

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normally know your body shouldn't be you should be be capable of doing right so

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for instance like my vertigo thing it was it was more of being able not to be

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able to be who I am as independent and it also was me not being able to just

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walk normally or run or drive or do anything that I normally would be able

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to physically be able to do but because it is a physical trial there was

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literally nothing I can do but focus on God and go to the emergency room get

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some medicine and then just rest and hope that and I'm praying that I would

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get better mentally I think we face a lot of things mentally and I feel like

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if you're physically fine I think it's a lot easier in my opinion to deal with

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any type of mental issue but when you're physically not fine for whatever reason

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whatever trial you're in I think it's a lot harder mentally because that's

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something that now you're like you're just adding more weight to you because

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you already have to deal with things in the life but when your body is not

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working the way it should be it's painful and I feel like it's more of a

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trial more of a difficulty than it is when it's just mental stuff you have to

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deal with yeah I can get that I can get that to an extent I think yeah but so

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that pretty much ends that ends the main portion of this conversation but that

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so that brings that brings us down to our little segment where we just we

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just have we have a different different type of discussion about pretty much

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any pretty much anything just you know a little bit of a lighter discussion maybe

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one day we'll actually give it a title lighter tones but my question for Sean

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today and this is this this this is I love you're a strange person Sean why do

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you think it's okay to put ketchup on steak oh okay well I honestly think it

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it is okay not it's always in certain circumstances like for instance if

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somebody cooked your steak wrong they get new steak no you're not gonna waste

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the steak it's a steak um you're gonna get a new chick I'm just gonna put

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ketchup on it I put barbecue sauce on it like if it's not cooked correctly like I

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like my stuff to have some pink in it so if it's like um what's it called when

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it's fully cooked I forget like well done well done if it's something like

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well done or something like that then I would definitely put ketchup on it um or

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barbecue sauce or Worcestershire sauce or anything that would make it taste

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better because when things are not cooked right I feel like sauce you can

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just sauce things over I think we do that in life I don't actually agree oh my

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gosh I think that if you go somewhere to buy the order of steak and the cook it

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wrong you send it back and if they don't and if you go into a place that

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explicitly known for their steak you put ketchup on it then you shouldn't have

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gone to that place you shouldn't be there but what if it's like your parents

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or somebody and they cooked cooked your steak if you're known they and they

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cooked it wrong you're like I don't want to do this to mom like mom you cook

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steak wrong you just you're gonna put some sauce on it right yeah yeah I get

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that that never came up in our discussions before if my mom cooked my

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steak I think I'm not I'd be honest I don't think I'm expecting like I'm not

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expecting the same kind of culinary art that I'm expecting right so like I'm just

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honestly I don't put ketchup my steak at all because I think that's weird but

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they did you put barbecue sauce or some type where I would put like a maybe a1

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but a1 yeah but like the but no I could get that but I guess yeah I was more

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talking about if you're going to like I if you're going to like an act like a

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steakhouse and you're going hey and they sometimes you'll see that they

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purposely do not put sauce on the table because they're like you won't need it

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and then you're like got some ketchup in the back like we didn't give you fries

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man yeah if I if I asked for ketchup or if I as if it was bad yeah but I'll just

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sauce it over and I don't want to hurt nobody's feelings I'm usually that way

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yeah you do it wrong man you're doing it again totally fair I agree with both

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views because when you get what you pay for so if you're paying for an expensive

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steak you do deserve it to be cooked the way you like it but at the same time

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like some of the waiters and the cooks they'd be like stressed out this is a

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rough day always gets down the kitchen I know there's a rough day for them I don't

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I don't like being like hey um this wasn't done right bring it back I need

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another one I mean I would do it if it was like something I'm allergic to or if

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it's like sweet potatoes yams pumpkin pie or plantains or anything I just

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generally don't like but other than that I'll never send it back yeah I'm gonna

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put I'm gonna think about this I want to put a question this will be on Spotify

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for our majority of Spotify listeners for the chefs out there is it okay to put

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ketchup on steak we're gonna put a poll of yes or no

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or barbecue sauce no no we're just taking ketchup that was our main

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discussion point before we've had this discussion before and you were dying on

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that hill I honestly still like I said I'll put ketchup on anything almost

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almost anything but yeah that's so that ends this episode not really sure how

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long it lasted actually we didn't put a timer this time so if you like if you

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listen to this whole episode thank you if you like this episode definitely give

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it a like if you think this episode might help somebody get maybe give them

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some tools about going through their trials and maybe give them a different

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mindset about it definitely share it with them so they can listen to it

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maybe start a conversation with them the if you like this episode again give it a

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like maybe drop us a subscribe and star rating give us a five-star and also I in

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the show notes for if you know if you or you know somebody that feels like that

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needs to go see that you believe needs to see a therapist or you definitely

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haven't maybe haven't thought about therapy before and now you're thinking

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maybe that might be something that you want to look into I'm gonna drop a link

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for Christian counseling down down in the show notes so that you can go

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directly to that source I tried I was going to put my own person my personal

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therapist on there but I saw today that they're they aren't accepting new

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clients right now so but I'll drop that link down below say because I believe

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mental health is extremely important if you're not taking yourself cares care of

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yourself mentally you're gonna you're gonna go downhill in all areas so yeah

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with that with that said we'll see you guys next time thank you for listening

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love you guys