WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.859 I actually haven't climbed since finals. People 00:00:03.859 --> 00:00:06.240 just expect me to not do cordo moves and stuff 00:00:06.240 --> 00:00:09.099 like that and I just kind of want to change that. 00:00:10.060 --> 00:00:12.759 I just like enjoy the grind. I enjoy like the 00:00:12.759 --> 00:00:16.960 pain. Welcome to another episode of the That's 00:00:16.960 --> 00:00:19.339 Not Real Climbing podcast. I'm your host, Jinni, 00:00:19.519 --> 00:00:21.379 and I'm excited to introduce my guest for today, 00:00:21.719 --> 00:00:24.640 Annie Sanders. Annie is a climber on Team USA, 00:00:24.739 --> 00:00:27.339 and she has had an amazing World Cup season this 00:00:27.339 --> 00:00:30.199 year with two Boulder Golds and a Lead Gold and 00:00:30.199 --> 00:00:32.979 even more podiums. In this episode, we'll learn 00:00:32.979 --> 00:00:35.020 about what goes through her mind during her crazy 00:00:35.020 --> 00:00:37.359 beta breaks, what her training routine looks 00:00:37.359 --> 00:00:40.600 like, and how gym access really influences performance. 00:00:41.420 --> 00:00:43.479 I really appreciate her breaking out of her shell 00:00:43.479 --> 00:00:46.259 a bit to do this interview. So enjoy this exclusive 00:00:46.259 --> 00:00:57.140 interview with Annie. I'm excited to announce 00:00:57.140 --> 00:00:59.520 that my sponsor, Mad Rock Climbing, just came 00:00:59.520 --> 00:01:01.619 out with a brand new pair of shoes, the Remora 00:01:01.619 --> 00:01:04.099 Pro. I was so excited to try them on that even 00:01:04.099 --> 00:01:06.439 though I broke a toe on my right foot, I had 00:01:06.439 --> 00:01:09.099 to at least try on the left shoe. 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Good, good. 00:01:42.250 --> 00:01:45.810 A little bit hectic because I'm taking care of 00:01:45.810 --> 00:01:48.319 a cat right now. Maybe she'll make an appearance. 00:01:48.359 --> 00:01:50.739 I don't know. We'll definitely get more into 00:01:50.739 --> 00:01:52.840 world champs later on. But how are you feeling 00:01:52.840 --> 00:01:55.359 now coming back from Korea? Are you still jet 00:01:55.359 --> 00:01:57.900 lagged or when did you get back? I got back on 00:01:57.900 --> 00:02:00.180 Monday, but I'm definitely still jet lagged. 00:02:00.180 --> 00:02:02.719 Like I think last night I slept for like 12 hours 00:02:02.719 --> 00:02:05.760 and I'm still pretty exhausted today. Oh my gosh. 00:02:05.879 --> 00:02:08.500 It's been like a week, right? Yeah. I feel like 00:02:08.500 --> 00:02:10.900 it usually takes me at least two weeks to like 00:02:10.900 --> 00:02:13.919 fully recover from any Asia trip. No, I totally 00:02:13.919 --> 00:02:17.419 agree with that. People think I'm like crazy 00:02:17.419 --> 00:02:19.479 for saying that I feel like I lose a month of 00:02:19.479 --> 00:02:23.460 my life whenever I go to Asia. But yeah, I think 00:02:23.460 --> 00:02:27.020 it takes me like two weeks there and then two 00:02:27.020 --> 00:02:30.199 weeks when I get back. And so I feel like I lose 00:02:30.199 --> 00:02:33.039 my entire life. Yeah. Do you have any like jet 00:02:33.039 --> 00:02:35.919 lag tricks? Honestly, not really. Just try to 00:02:35.919 --> 00:02:39.520 like not nap later in the day because then I'll 00:02:39.520 --> 00:02:42.240 be up all night. I've been like taking like two 00:02:42.240 --> 00:02:45.150 or three naps around like. noon and maybe like 00:02:45.150 --> 00:02:48.729 two it's like the exhaustion hits different though 00:02:48.729 --> 00:02:52.150 it's not just like a nap that you can say no 00:02:52.150 --> 00:02:55.930 to yeah exactly i can't function anymore yeah 00:02:55.930 --> 00:02:59.530 like i can't stay awake yeah how do you climb 00:02:59.530 --> 00:03:02.490 with the jet lag i actually haven't climbed since 00:03:02.490 --> 00:03:04.969 finals so i'm taking a little bit of a break 00:03:04.969 --> 00:03:08.629 right now but usually i just like usually i just 00:03:08.629 --> 00:03:11.389 like try to push through it maybe not train as 00:03:11.389 --> 00:03:14.280 hard but like I don't know always just try to 00:03:14.280 --> 00:03:16.360 like listen to my body and see how I feel what 00:03:16.360 --> 00:03:19.560 about when it's like competition time like the 00:03:19.560 --> 00:03:22.759 jet lag you get in Asia honestly I don't feel 00:03:22.759 --> 00:03:25.520 that much jet lag when I'm going to Asia but 00:03:25.520 --> 00:03:29.259 once I get back it like hits me pretty hard and 00:03:29.259 --> 00:03:31.520 the same with Europe I think it's when I'm in 00:03:31.520 --> 00:03:33.699 Europe I'm there for so long that I don't really 00:03:33.699 --> 00:03:37.780 notice it but right yeah I feel like I only feel 00:03:37.780 --> 00:03:40.539 the jet lag when I get back from Asia it's really 00:03:40.539 --> 00:03:43.069 weird I mean, I guess that's convenient that 00:03:43.069 --> 00:03:45.930 you don't feel the jet lag when it's important, 00:03:46.189 --> 00:03:49.530 I guess. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Okay. Did you do 00:03:49.530 --> 00:03:53.129 anything fun in Korea? I mean, we went shopping, 00:03:53.210 --> 00:03:55.689 of course. That was pretty much it. We didn't 00:03:55.689 --> 00:03:57.490 really have time to do too much sightseeing. 00:03:57.610 --> 00:04:00.810 So we were kind of staying in the area where 00:04:00.810 --> 00:04:04.789 the venue was. And how long were you there for? 00:04:05.090 --> 00:04:07.849 I honestly can't remember. Maybe like a week. 00:04:08.969 --> 00:04:11.889 oh in korea i think i was there for about a week 00:04:11.889 --> 00:04:16.290 and a half maybe but i also yeah something like 00:04:16.290 --> 00:04:19.209 that i can't i don't know the exact length but 00:04:19.209 --> 00:04:22.569 i did go to japan for a week before then for 00:04:22.569 --> 00:04:25.769 like training and travel i guess yeah what did 00:04:25.769 --> 00:04:28.370 you do in japan i've never been but i would really 00:04:28.370 --> 00:04:30.689 like to check it out mostly just like training 00:04:30.689 --> 00:04:35.230 and the gyms they were very good but yeah the 00:04:35.230 --> 00:04:37.430 trip was like mostly focused around training 00:04:37.430 --> 00:04:41.269 because like a lot of the gyms there open very 00:04:41.269 --> 00:04:43.910 late so we would just like wait wake up have 00:04:43.910 --> 00:04:46.610 to like wait out the day go to the gym and then 00:04:46.610 --> 00:04:48.550 by the time we're finished it's already like 00:04:48.550 --> 00:04:51.410 bedtime so but like on the rest days we would 00:04:51.410 --> 00:04:53.769 go shopping like check out coffee shops do some 00:04:53.769 --> 00:04:55.750 sightseeing it's kind of wild that you would 00:04:55.750 --> 00:04:58.370 say that you have to like wait out the day in 00:04:58.370 --> 00:05:00.529 Japan I feel like for a lot of people going to 00:05:00.529 --> 00:05:04.910 Japan is like a dream vacation yeah I mean, we 00:05:04.910 --> 00:05:07.310 did do a little bit of sightseeing during that 00:05:07.310 --> 00:05:10.470 time, but not much. Are you a foodie when you 00:05:10.470 --> 00:05:15.230 travel, or is it just shopping? I'm really into 00:05:15.230 --> 00:05:18.230 coffee, and I actually found a 10 out of 10 coffee 00:05:18.230 --> 00:05:21.329 shop in Japan, in Shinjuku. Yeah, what's it called? 00:05:21.509 --> 00:05:23.629 Give it a shout out. It's called Covert Coffee. 00:05:23.850 --> 00:05:26.170 It's really close to the Shinjuku train station. 00:05:26.649 --> 00:05:28.689 Okay. Hopefully people can check that out when 00:05:28.689 --> 00:05:30.949 they go. Yeah. Yeah. I guess getting a little 00:05:30.949 --> 00:05:33.110 bit into climbing and your background with that, 00:05:33.209 --> 00:05:36.189 how did you start out climbing? So my mom is 00:05:36.189 --> 00:05:38.949 actually a climber. So she started climbing when 00:05:38.949 --> 00:05:41.610 she was in college and she kind of like brought 00:05:41.610 --> 00:05:43.610 it into the family. I pretty much like grew up 00:05:43.610 --> 00:05:46.949 in a gym. I would like hang around her and her 00:05:46.949 --> 00:05:49.290 friends' kids like when they were all climbing 00:05:49.290 --> 00:05:52.050 together. And then when I was seven, I started 00:05:52.050 --> 00:05:53.930 competing and that's when I like fell in love 00:05:53.930 --> 00:05:56.709 with competition climbing. decided that's what 00:05:56.709 --> 00:06:00.149 i wanted to keep doing with my life okay so sort 00:06:00.149 --> 00:06:02.589 of a climbing family or do you have like siblings 00:06:02.589 --> 00:06:08.670 uh yeah i have two older sisters my uh one of 00:06:08.670 --> 00:06:11.610 my older sisters also climbs she also works at 00:06:11.610 --> 00:06:14.100 the gym she coaches little kids Yeah, what was 00:06:14.100 --> 00:06:16.819 that dynamic like growing up being like the youngest 00:06:16.819 --> 00:06:19.720 one? Or I guess I don't know necessarily if you're 00:06:19.720 --> 00:06:21.839 the youngest one. Yeah, I'm the youngest, yeah. 00:06:21.959 --> 00:06:24.060 Okay, yeah. So like being the youngest one and 00:06:24.060 --> 00:06:26.319 then also other people who like climbing the 00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:28.699 family. I mean, it was pretty cool. We would 00:06:28.699 --> 00:06:31.579 always like plan a bunch of trips around climbing. 00:06:31.779 --> 00:06:34.040 So like, for example, we used to go to Rifle 00:06:34.040 --> 00:06:36.720 in the summer and we would like go camping and 00:06:36.720 --> 00:06:40.240 then climbing and stuff like that. So it was 00:06:40.240 --> 00:06:42.569 a pretty cool family dynamic. Yeah, you felt 00:06:42.569 --> 00:06:44.629 like you actually liked it the whole time. Yeah, 00:06:44.670 --> 00:06:46.430 I actually liked it. I mean, my parents gave 00:06:46.430 --> 00:06:48.750 me like many options. I like tried many different 00:06:48.750 --> 00:06:50.910 sports, but I always stuck to climbing. What 00:06:50.910 --> 00:06:53.350 do you feel like was the second closest sport 00:06:53.350 --> 00:06:56.089 that you really enjoyed? Definitely swimming. 00:06:56.350 --> 00:06:59.069 I still do swim twice a week for cross training. 00:06:59.410 --> 00:07:03.350 Really? Yeah, I quit competitive swimming when 00:07:03.350 --> 00:07:06.750 I was nine. Just to focus on climbing? Yeah. 00:07:06.949 --> 00:07:11.279 Okay, that makes sense. So, yeah, I guess I would 00:07:11.279 --> 00:07:13.860 say that I always thought you were more of a 00:07:13.860 --> 00:07:15.860 lead climber than a boulderer. I don't know where 00:07:15.860 --> 00:07:19.319 I got that thought from. Maybe just from like 00:07:19.319 --> 00:07:21.639 the way that you rest on boulders or something 00:07:21.639 --> 00:07:24.199 like that. But your results are actually pretty 00:07:24.199 --> 00:07:27.639 even. So do you have a preference nowadays still? 00:07:28.079 --> 00:07:31.180 No, I don't have a preference. I mean, I like 00:07:31.180 --> 00:07:33.360 both equally. So it's like hard to choose one. 00:07:33.500 --> 00:07:35.759 Yeah, I guess I found that surprising. I mean, 00:07:35.779 --> 00:07:38.139 did you did you used to like lead more, you think? 00:07:38.660 --> 00:07:41.899 Honestly, not really. I kind of have always done 00:07:41.899 --> 00:07:45.300 both equally. I think I've just been naturally 00:07:45.300 --> 00:07:48.060 better as a lead climber because I have more 00:07:48.060 --> 00:07:51.480 slow twitch muscles. I move slower on the wall, 00:07:51.560 --> 00:07:53.899 but that's something that I'm going to try to 00:07:53.899 --> 00:07:57.800 work on this coming off season. In general, how 00:07:57.800 --> 00:07:59.980 would you characterize your climbing? I mean, 00:08:00.019 --> 00:08:01.980 honestly, I feel like you're kind of right in 00:08:01.980 --> 00:08:04.120 a way. I feel like I do climb like a lead climber. 00:08:05.759 --> 00:08:09.759 But... It's kind of because I'm also timid on 00:08:09.759 --> 00:08:13.579 a lot of boulders. I don't really commit fully 00:08:13.579 --> 00:08:15.480 to a lot of the moves, which is why I kind of 00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:18.920 suck at coordination moves. It kind of gets to 00:08:18.920 --> 00:08:23.480 me at comps, but yeah. I feel like a lot of coaches 00:08:23.480 --> 00:08:26.019 and people say that in bouldering, you have to 00:08:26.019 --> 00:08:30.720 be very sure in your movement and commit to a 00:08:30.720 --> 00:08:34.820 certain beta. And so how do you... I don't know, 00:08:34.840 --> 00:08:38.340 managed to perform in bouldering with still being 00:08:38.340 --> 00:08:40.299 so unsure about what movement you want to go 00:08:40.299 --> 00:08:44.480 with? I think I'm just like really good at pure 00:08:44.480 --> 00:08:46.940 strength boulders. Like I can just like pull 00:08:46.940 --> 00:08:49.860 through and like, I don't know, I guess thug 00:08:49.860 --> 00:08:52.419 my way through a lot of the boulders. But for 00:08:52.419 --> 00:08:55.860 example, in like soul finals, that wasn't the 00:08:55.860 --> 00:08:59.840 case. Like I had to like be powerful, explosive 00:08:59.840 --> 00:09:02.279 and all that type of stuff. So that's why I did 00:09:02.279 --> 00:09:04.370 like pretty bad at that round. Okay. Yeah, that 00:09:04.370 --> 00:09:07.370 makes sense. And then you can also spend like 00:09:07.370 --> 00:09:10.269 a really long time on boulders or lead routes. 00:09:11.169 --> 00:09:13.850 Do you feel like endurance came naturally to 00:09:13.850 --> 00:09:16.690 you or was it something you like worked really 00:09:16.690 --> 00:09:20.250 hard to train and get better at? It's definitely, 00:09:20.350 --> 00:09:22.850 I mean, I guess it does come natural in some 00:09:22.850 --> 00:09:25.129 ways, but I do have to work very hard to like 00:09:25.129 --> 00:09:27.889 maintain it. So like even when I was younger, 00:09:27.929 --> 00:09:31.659 I was doing like up, down, ups on like. 5 12 00:09:31.659 --> 00:09:34.360 5 13 and I think I would say like most of my 00:09:34.360 --> 00:09:38.639 lead sessions I do a minimum of like 15 to 20 00:09:38.639 --> 00:09:42.000 routes something like that I think the most I've 00:09:42.000 --> 00:09:45.360 done is like 23 in a session but I don't always 00:09:45.360 --> 00:09:48.419 do that but yeah I definitely have to work to 00:09:48.419 --> 00:09:51.159 keep that endurance and so do you prioritize 00:09:51.159 --> 00:09:53.320 keeping that endurance over maybe working on 00:09:53.320 --> 00:09:56.879 something like being more powerful honestly not 00:09:56.879 --> 00:09:59.379 really I would say I work more on bouldering 00:09:59.379 --> 00:10:01.929 that I than I do on lead climbing like I think 00:10:01.929 --> 00:10:06.490 I only do ropes once a week so yeah I definitely 00:10:06.490 --> 00:10:09.850 boulder a lot more and we'll get into a bit more 00:10:09.850 --> 00:10:11.690 of like the details of your training later but 00:10:11.690 --> 00:10:15.289 um for now since we just came off the 2025 season 00:10:15.289 --> 00:10:18.750 um let's get into that a little bit so looking 00:10:18.750 --> 00:10:21.470 back on your 2025 season how do you feel like 00:10:21.470 --> 00:10:23.769 it went in general I feel like it went pretty 00:10:23.769 --> 00:10:27.169 well like I kept like a good momentum throughout 00:10:27.169 --> 00:10:30.070 the whole season but like I performed pretty 00:10:30.070 --> 00:10:32.669 well maybe not at all the comps but most of them 00:10:32.669 --> 00:10:35.529 but i think like towards the end towards korea 00:10:35.529 --> 00:10:38.269 i was just like getting pretty tired it was like 00:10:38.269 --> 00:10:40.389 an especially long season for people it sounds 00:10:40.389 --> 00:10:43.889 like yeah i think it started in april yeah just 00:10:43.889 --> 00:10:47.809 thinking back to a lot of like the boulder comps 00:10:47.809 --> 00:10:51.370 do you ever regret trying to like beta break 00:10:51.370 --> 00:10:55.090 or static so many of them yeah like definitely 00:10:56.330 --> 00:10:58.669 Dude, there are so many times where I just got 00:10:58.669 --> 00:11:01.490 so extremely pumped on a boulder where I just 00:11:01.490 --> 00:11:03.309 could not recover for the rest of my attempts. 00:11:03.730 --> 00:11:08.029 Whoa, really? I think at finals in Seoul on the 00:11:08.029 --> 00:11:10.850 second boulder, I was on that second to last 00:11:10.850 --> 00:11:13.129 hold for probably a minute and a half or something 00:11:13.129 --> 00:11:16.269 like that. And after my first attempt, I was 00:11:16.269 --> 00:11:18.730 pretty much done. I could not recover after that. 00:11:18.889 --> 00:11:21.610 We can't see what's going on behind the camera 00:11:21.610 --> 00:11:24.230 or what the coaches are thinking. Do you get 00:11:24.230 --> 00:11:27.220 like... talking to from the coaches of like you 00:11:27.220 --> 00:11:30.340 gotta stop doing that yeah my coach did tell 00:11:30.340 --> 00:11:34.259 me that I should like fully commit to the coordination 00:11:34.259 --> 00:11:36.659 beta for like the first three to four minutes 00:11:36.659 --> 00:11:39.259 and if I feel like it's like I'm not close at 00:11:39.259 --> 00:11:41.240 all or if it's not gonna work then maybe I could 00:11:41.240 --> 00:11:44.620 try to static but I don't know I guess like when 00:11:44.620 --> 00:11:47.179 I'm in the moment all like my main goal is just 00:11:47.179 --> 00:11:48.899 to like get to the top of the boulder so I'm 00:11:48.899 --> 00:11:51.820 not really thinking about that and so you're 00:11:51.820 --> 00:11:55.830 gonna disregard that coaching Not like just disregard, 00:11:56.029 --> 00:11:57.789 but I kind of just like forget about it in the 00:11:57.789 --> 00:12:00.190 moment because I'm so locked in. And then I guess 00:12:00.190 --> 00:12:04.429 similarly along the vein of like being a slower 00:12:04.429 --> 00:12:09.230 climber, you time out a lot in lead. I guess 00:12:09.230 --> 00:12:12.649 I'm wondering how that happens because I think 00:12:12.649 --> 00:12:15.490 a lot of people look down at the clock, realize 00:12:15.490 --> 00:12:17.809 that there's not much time left and then they 00:12:17.809 --> 00:12:20.549 like kind of motor. So do you just like stop 00:12:20.549 --> 00:12:22.870 looking at the clock at a certain point or what 00:12:22.870 --> 00:12:26.019 happens there? uh I mean when I get to about 00:12:26.019 --> 00:12:28.960 a minute left I kind of do start to like pick 00:12:28.960 --> 00:12:32.340 up the pace but I mean ideally I should be picking 00:12:32.340 --> 00:12:35.019 up the pace like lower down on the route because 00:12:35.019 --> 00:12:37.840 that's where I lose most of my time but yeah 00:12:37.840 --> 00:12:39.620 it's kind of weird because like in my training 00:12:39.620 --> 00:12:42.860 I honestly don't climb that slow I would say 00:12:42.860 --> 00:12:46.000 I'm actually a pretty fast climber but whenever 00:12:46.000 --> 00:12:48.940 I'm like on signing something I'm pretty slow 00:12:48.940 --> 00:12:52.009 so that's like something I need to work on Is 00:12:52.009 --> 00:12:55.529 it like you think the pressure of like one slip 00:12:55.529 --> 00:12:58.529 and then it's over? I think that and I'm just 00:12:58.529 --> 00:13:01.850 like more focused on like getting to the top 00:13:01.850 --> 00:13:05.610 of the route than I am on like getting as high 00:13:05.610 --> 00:13:08.350 as I can in the fastest amount of time like without 00:13:08.350 --> 00:13:11.190 timing out. I guess it's kind of surprising to 00:13:11.190 --> 00:13:14.850 hear that you start to motor after like when 00:13:14.850 --> 00:13:16.769 there's a minute left because I feel like there 00:13:16.769 --> 00:13:20.110 are definitely times in lead where there's like 00:13:20.379 --> 00:13:23.039 less than a minute and you still look like as 00:13:23.039 --> 00:13:25.720 if there was an infinite amount of time left 00:13:25.720 --> 00:13:28.460 yeah true i mean maybe i think i'm moving faster 00:13:28.460 --> 00:13:31.259 but maybe i'm not i don't know because sometimes 00:13:31.259 --> 00:13:33.899 i go back and i like like in the moment i feel 00:13:33.899 --> 00:13:35.879 like i'm like flying through the route and then 00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:38.240 i go back and watch it and i'm like dang i'm 00:13:38.240 --> 00:13:40.419 going really slow right now yeah i need to like 00:13:40.419 --> 00:13:42.600 pick up the pace how often do you watch back 00:13:42.600 --> 00:13:45.299 your climbs like pretty much after every comp 00:13:45.299 --> 00:13:48.159 i like to see like what i could work on what 00:13:48.159 --> 00:13:50.629 i could improve Based on what you've watched 00:13:50.629 --> 00:13:55.429 this year, what do you feel like you need to 00:13:55.429 --> 00:13:58.889 work on for the future? For bouldering, probably 00:13:58.889 --> 00:14:02.269 explosiveness and commitment, and then lead, 00:14:02.330 --> 00:14:05.970 just climbing faster and more efficient. I guess, 00:14:05.970 --> 00:14:08.610 what are you doing to work on those? Or I guess 00:14:08.610 --> 00:14:10.090 you haven't started training yet for the next 00:14:10.090 --> 00:14:12.490 season, but what's your plan? Honestly, next 00:14:12.490 --> 00:14:14.570 year, I think I'm going to focus a little bit 00:14:14.570 --> 00:14:17.700 more on bouldering. I don't really have too much 00:14:17.700 --> 00:14:20.720 of a plan yet for lead, but I'll probably start 00:14:20.720 --> 00:14:23.779 doing a lot more lifting and stuff like that. 00:14:24.419 --> 00:14:27.299 I mean, I did lift last year, but it wasn't very 00:14:27.299 --> 00:14:29.299 intentional. This year, I kind of want to be 00:14:29.299 --> 00:14:31.919 more intentional with what I'm doing. Okay. Why 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:34.419 the focus on boulder for next year? I kind of 00:14:34.419 --> 00:14:37.940 want to not suck at coordination moves anymore 00:14:37.940 --> 00:14:39.720 because I feel like I have a reputation for, 00:14:39.759 --> 00:14:43.539 I don't know, the climber that can never do coordination. 00:14:45.710 --> 00:14:47.850 I don't know. I guess people just expect me to 00:14:47.850 --> 00:14:49.950 not do cordo moves and stuff like that. And I 00:14:49.950 --> 00:14:52.850 just kind of want to change that. Want to prove 00:14:52.850 --> 00:14:56.269 them wrong. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I mean, I guess 00:14:56.269 --> 00:14:59.269 you, I feel like you more so have a reputation 00:14:59.269 --> 00:15:02.629 to like try to static it, but then eventually 00:15:02.629 --> 00:15:05.649 you can still do the coordination move. You just 00:15:05.649 --> 00:15:09.950 don't do it to start with. I mean, in some cases, 00:15:09.950 --> 00:15:14.019 maybe, but. In finals in Seoul, the first boulder, 00:15:14.179 --> 00:15:17.580 I just felt so far off of that. I felt like there 00:15:17.580 --> 00:15:19.899 was no possible way I could do it, which was 00:15:19.899 --> 00:15:23.120 really weird. It was like a swing to a press 00:15:23.120 --> 00:15:26.299 and then a paddle finish. And where did you get 00:15:26.299 --> 00:15:29.179 on that one? I got to the last move. It took 00:15:29.179 --> 00:15:31.620 me a while to get up there, though. Yeah, what 00:15:31.620 --> 00:15:34.500 about that one specifically felt weird? Or is 00:15:34.500 --> 00:15:36.519 there a certain type of coordination that you 00:15:36.519 --> 00:15:39.039 feel like you're worse at? Because, I mean, there's 00:15:39.039 --> 00:15:41.720 a lot of different kinds. I don't know when there's 00:15:41.720 --> 00:15:44.159 like so many like complex hand foot movements 00:15:44.159 --> 00:15:46.340 it really like throws me off it's hard to like 00:15:46.340 --> 00:15:50.860 focus on each movement or each move one at a 00:15:50.860 --> 00:15:53.000 time I just kind of like blur everything into 00:15:53.000 --> 00:15:57.340 one so yeah and also the first move for some 00:15:57.340 --> 00:16:00.960 reason just felt really big for me so every time 00:16:00.960 --> 00:16:02.799 I would like get that move I would be scared 00:16:02.799 --> 00:16:04.500 to commit to the last move because I was like 00:16:04.500 --> 00:16:06.720 oh what if I don't make it back to the 10 zone 00:16:07.230 --> 00:16:09.590 Are you one of the shorter climbers? I don't 00:16:09.590 --> 00:16:12.990 actually know your height. I'm 5 '4". Oh, okay. 00:16:13.129 --> 00:16:16.070 So I'm pretty average. Okay. Well, good to know 00:16:16.070 --> 00:16:18.110 that you'll be working on that for next season. 00:16:18.289 --> 00:16:21.230 I hope to see you commit to some more coordination 00:16:21.230 --> 00:16:25.250 moves for next year's bouldering. Yeah, me too. 00:16:25.669 --> 00:16:29.389 And thinking back on like 2025 season, do you 00:16:29.389 --> 00:16:31.190 have any like favorite or least favorite moments? 00:16:31.570 --> 00:16:34.809 I mean, I think my favorite moment was winning. 00:16:35.440 --> 00:16:38.220 Like the World Cup in Madrid. That was pretty 00:16:38.220 --> 00:16:42.159 special to me. I don't know. I've always been 00:16:42.159 --> 00:16:44.259 like characterized as a lead climber. So I guess 00:16:44.259 --> 00:16:46.120 winning like a lead World Cup was pretty cool. 00:16:46.419 --> 00:16:49.419 Yeah. And that was your first lead goal. Yeah. 00:16:49.659 --> 00:16:51.980 Yeah. I think being characterized as a lead climber, 00:16:52.000 --> 00:16:53.940 it's like surprising that was your first lead 00:16:53.940 --> 00:16:56.960 goal. And you had like a couple boulder goals 00:16:56.960 --> 00:16:59.960 before that. Yeah. When you are traveling for 00:16:59.960 --> 00:17:03.750 World Cups. How much time do you get to actually 00:17:03.750 --> 00:17:09.430 enjoy your travel versus just like being nervous 00:17:09.430 --> 00:17:12.650 for a competition? I mean, I wouldn't say I'm 00:17:12.650 --> 00:17:16.450 like super nervous for competitions, but there's 00:17:16.450 --> 00:17:18.369 not like a ton of time to go out and like do 00:17:18.369 --> 00:17:20.769 sightseeing and stuff like that. Because like, 00:17:20.789 --> 00:17:23.430 even if we're like not competing, we have to 00:17:23.430 --> 00:17:25.529 still like maintain our shape during in between 00:17:25.529 --> 00:17:28.789 the competitions. But like, I guess the little 00:17:28.789 --> 00:17:31.259 time that we do have is pretty enjoyable. Yeah, 00:17:31.279 --> 00:17:32.960 do you have like a favorite place to travel in 00:17:32.960 --> 00:17:35.299 the world for World Cups? I mean, we haven't 00:17:35.299 --> 00:17:38.259 had a World Cup there since like, what was it? 00:17:38.500 --> 00:17:44.200 2022, 2023, but probably Japan. Oh, right. I 00:17:44.200 --> 00:17:46.500 love Japan. Yeah, I mean, when you were saying 00:17:46.500 --> 00:17:50.319 that you haven't had a World Cup since a while 00:17:50.319 --> 00:17:53.079 ago, I mean, you didn't even start doing World 00:17:53.079 --> 00:17:56.539 Cups until a few years ago, right? Yeah. Yeah, 00:17:56.539 --> 00:18:01.869 okay. Because the minimum age is 16? Uh, it used 00:18:01.869 --> 00:18:05.170 to be like 15. You had to be like turning 16 00:18:05.170 --> 00:18:06.950 that year. But now it's you have to be turning 00:18:06.950 --> 00:18:09.789 17 that year. I heard rumors that they were even 00:18:09.789 --> 00:18:13.990 raising the age to 18. But I don't think I don't 00:18:13.990 --> 00:18:16.029 think that's official yet. Yeah, I think you're 00:18:16.029 --> 00:18:17.829 definitely one of probably like the youngest 00:18:17.829 --> 00:18:20.970 climbers that I've interviewed so far. So it's 00:18:20.970 --> 00:18:23.269 crazy how far you've come being so young. Thank 00:18:23.269 --> 00:18:27.890 you. What are your goals for 2026? I think honestly 00:18:27.890 --> 00:18:30.130 just like the same that they were this year just 00:18:30.130 --> 00:18:34.769 like continue training going to world cups competing 00:18:34.769 --> 00:18:37.690 and seeing how I do because there's honestly 00:18:37.690 --> 00:18:40.829 not really I mean my big goal is like of course 00:18:40.829 --> 00:18:44.990 LA 2028 so these next couple of seasons are like 00:18:44.990 --> 00:18:47.309 pretty chill for me Speaking of the Olympics, 00:18:47.529 --> 00:18:50.130 I mean, I know a lot of the top athletes took 00:18:50.130 --> 00:18:54.190 a break this year from competing to, like, rest 00:18:54.190 --> 00:18:58.170 from the Olympic season. I mean, like, of course, 00:18:58.190 --> 00:19:00.569 Janja only chose a few competitions to go to. 00:19:01.029 --> 00:19:04.789 How confident do you feel in, like, competing 00:19:04.789 --> 00:19:08.130 against them in the future? I mean, I honestly 00:19:08.130 --> 00:19:10.390 don't think too much about it because I feel 00:19:10.390 --> 00:19:13.269 like I'm not really that competitive with other 00:19:13.269 --> 00:19:15.720 people. I'm more like... competitive with myself 00:19:15.720 --> 00:19:18.700 so like if i do bad at a comp i'm mad at myself 00:19:18.700 --> 00:19:20.920 like not mad that i didn't podium or whatever 00:19:20.920 --> 00:19:23.160 yeah and i guess when you mentioned your goals 00:19:23.160 --> 00:19:26.579 none of it included like a specific medal count 00:19:26.579 --> 00:19:29.759 or podiuming so i guess it's good in that way 00:19:29.759 --> 00:19:34.019 yeah so you don't even think about like who to 00:19:34.019 --> 00:19:36.440 watch out for like i mean especially when it 00:19:36.440 --> 00:19:40.500 comes to getting olympic spots um i mean there's 00:19:40.500 --> 00:19:43.279 probably still only gonna be like two per gender 00:19:43.279 --> 00:19:47.089 per country I mean, it might be one. I heard 00:19:47.089 --> 00:19:51.269 rumors that it's one. Whoa. I guess we'll see. 00:19:52.170 --> 00:19:54.069 Yeah, it's definitely going to be hard to qualify, 00:19:54.250 --> 00:19:56.009 but I'm trying not to think too much about it 00:19:56.009 --> 00:19:59.410 since that's so far ahead in the future. Interesting 00:19:59.410 --> 00:20:02.930 to hear about the one rumors. I don't know if 00:20:02.930 --> 00:20:06.029 it's true, but I heard rumors. Yeah, it's hard 00:20:06.029 --> 00:20:07.970 to get into rumors because I know definitely 00:20:07.970 --> 00:20:12.250 people, yeah, it changes a lot. But I mean, what's 00:20:12.250 --> 00:20:16.329 the... purpose of the one per gender per country 00:20:16.329 --> 00:20:20.190 rumor because that's that yeah that makes it 00:20:20.190 --> 00:20:22.890 really difficult yeah I honestly have no idea 00:20:22.890 --> 00:20:25.809 I cannot tell you how confident would you feel 00:20:25.809 --> 00:20:27.789 if it was like a combined qualifiers like would 00:20:27.789 --> 00:20:32.049 you prefer that I think I would I honestly don't 00:20:32.049 --> 00:20:35.390 know it's I think it's too early to tell but 00:20:35.720 --> 00:20:38.339 I think I do strive more like in combined disciplines 00:20:38.339 --> 00:20:41.059 because I'm like good at both. Do you not have 00:20:41.059 --> 00:20:43.200 like any plan to do the lead season for next 00:20:43.200 --> 00:20:46.299 year? No, I'm pre -qualified for the lead season, 00:20:46.359 --> 00:20:48.319 so I'll still do it, but I just won't train it 00:20:48.319 --> 00:20:52.220 as much as I have been. Okay, so then going into 00:20:52.220 --> 00:20:55.220 what your training looks like, what does your 00:20:55.220 --> 00:20:57.339 training schedule look like? Like number of days 00:20:57.339 --> 00:21:00.640 a week? Hours a day. If you're interested in 00:21:00.640 --> 00:21:02.759 ad -free episodes and would like to unlock over 00:21:02.759 --> 00:21:05.539 four hours of deleted scenes, do consider helping 00:21:05.539 --> 00:21:08.640 support this podcast on Patreon. Some other perks 00:21:08.640 --> 00:21:10.519 include a membership pin shipped to you after 00:21:10.519 --> 00:21:12.920 two months, prioritize guest questions or the 00:21:12.920 --> 00:21:15.299 ability to submit video questions, and more to 00:21:15.299 --> 00:21:17.660 come. 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If you'd like to 00:21:23.019 --> 00:21:25.359 help out non -monetarily, liking, commenting, 00:21:25.480 --> 00:21:28.299 and sharing helps a great deal as well. back 00:21:28.299 --> 00:21:32.160 to the show i climb like five days a week and 00:21:32.160 --> 00:21:35.539 i also swim twice a week and lift like two to 00:21:35.539 --> 00:21:39.119 three times a week but for yeah for climbing 00:21:39.119 --> 00:21:44.519 i would say i'm in the gym like five to six hours 00:21:44.519 --> 00:21:47.779 max maybe seven on longer days then i also do 00:21:47.779 --> 00:21:50.200 some like at home exercises since i live so far 00:21:50.200 --> 00:21:53.079 from the gym but i'm pretty much like working 00:21:53.079 --> 00:21:56.500 out all day I'm surprised that you live so far 00:21:56.500 --> 00:21:59.779 from the gym because yeah I feel like usually 00:21:59.779 --> 00:22:02.539 at this at a certain point at a certain level 00:22:02.539 --> 00:22:05.359 people are like trying to I don't know optimize 00:22:05.359 --> 00:22:07.779 their schedule as much as possible. I really 00:22:07.779 --> 00:22:09.599 just don't have the money to like move out right 00:22:09.599 --> 00:22:12.640 now and I'm trying to like save up for much more 00:22:12.640 --> 00:22:15.059 like needed expenses and stuff like that for 00:22:15.059 --> 00:22:18.339 like traveling and funding my training and stuff 00:22:18.339 --> 00:22:21.269 like that but yeah it takes me like 30 to 40 00:22:21.269 --> 00:22:23.170 minutes to get to the gym every day. Sometimes 00:22:23.170 --> 00:22:26.210 even longer if I want to go to a big, a different 00:22:26.210 --> 00:22:29.109 gym. Is there any like one thing you did that 00:22:29.109 --> 00:22:31.569 you feel like made you level up in your climbing 00:22:31.569 --> 00:22:35.569 ability? Uh, I feel like, I don't know if it 00:22:35.569 --> 00:22:37.910 made me level up, but I feel like the more I 00:22:37.910 --> 00:22:41.150 board climb and the more I spray wall, like the 00:22:41.150 --> 00:22:44.690 stronger I feel. Which I guess makes sense because 00:22:44.690 --> 00:22:47.130 it's just like pure power training. But yeah. 00:22:47.849 --> 00:22:50.349 So I think this offseason, I'm going to be doing 00:22:50.349 --> 00:22:52.829 a lot more of that type of stuff. You feel like 00:22:52.829 --> 00:22:55.329 it helps with comp movement or comp climbing 00:22:55.329 --> 00:22:58.269 too? I don't know. I guess just power boulders 00:22:58.269 --> 00:23:02.809 and feeling strong. I don't really have access 00:23:02.809 --> 00:23:05.150 to a lot of comp boulders and stuff like that. 00:23:05.190 --> 00:23:07.869 They don't really set that here in Dallas. So 00:23:07.869 --> 00:23:10.450 it's hard to train on that type of stuff. So 00:23:10.450 --> 00:23:13.450 a couple of thoughts come to mind. Well, I guess, 00:23:13.509 --> 00:23:17.039 so one, for me, I always feel like... If you 00:23:17.039 --> 00:23:20.200 board climb a lot, you just get really good at 00:23:20.200 --> 00:23:24.240 board climbing. Is that an incorrect take, you 00:23:24.240 --> 00:23:27.180 think? No, I think that's correct. But I feel 00:23:27.180 --> 00:23:29.880 like if you also supplement it with spray walling, 00:23:29.920 --> 00:23:34.039 it could help on power -focused boulders in a 00:23:34.039 --> 00:23:36.339 World Cup. Yeah, I mean, in terms of your gym 00:23:36.339 --> 00:23:40.660 access, are there climbs that are hard enough 00:23:40.660 --> 00:23:43.000 for you? I would say the route setters in the 00:23:43.000 --> 00:23:45.829 DFW area are like... pretty strong so they do 00:23:45.829 --> 00:23:48.089 set some hard stuff for like themselves to work 00:23:48.089 --> 00:23:51.569 on and I do get on those boulders but they're 00:23:51.569 --> 00:23:53.910 just like all commercial style and it's not really 00:23:53.910 --> 00:23:57.029 anything I would see like in a world cup so it's 00:23:57.029 --> 00:24:00.289 like I don't know I guess hard to train in the 00:24:00.289 --> 00:24:03.690 gyms I mean I did used to have access to the 00:24:03.690 --> 00:24:07.349 team Texas training centers but ever since like 00:24:07.349 --> 00:24:09.630 movement bought all the gyms and kind of like 00:24:09.630 --> 00:24:11.490 took over they've been making it like a real 00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:15.539 pain to like get access to those gyms oh okay 00:24:15.539 --> 00:24:19.359 i think leaving up to the soul world cup i've 00:24:19.359 --> 00:24:21.980 been on a spray wall like one time and that was 00:24:21.980 --> 00:24:27.339 in salt lake yeah same it has been like pretty 00:24:27.339 --> 00:24:30.019 difficult to like train maybe you need some contacts 00:24:30.019 --> 00:24:34.099 and in terms of like team texas uh yeah i guess 00:24:34.099 --> 00:24:35.900 like what happened there like you used to have 00:24:35.900 --> 00:24:38.720 access to their training facilities but now you 00:24:38.720 --> 00:24:43.859 don't yeah so like Before movement bought like 00:24:43.859 --> 00:24:47.099 the gyms and everything, I would just like go 00:24:47.099 --> 00:24:49.680 in with one of the coaches and like train for 00:24:49.680 --> 00:24:51.779 like three to four hours or something like that. 00:24:51.880 --> 00:24:55.500 But now movement like has all these like strict 00:24:55.500 --> 00:24:57.519 rules like, oh, you have to have a movement employee 00:24:57.519 --> 00:25:00.619 in here. Oh, you can only go during these times. 00:25:00.779 --> 00:25:04.160 And I don't know, I guess since all a lot of 00:25:04.160 --> 00:25:06.839 my friends have like left movement because they've. 00:25:07.210 --> 00:25:09.230 i don't know i guess just like gotten tired of 00:25:09.230 --> 00:25:12.109 working with them so i just haven't had anyone 00:25:12.109 --> 00:25:15.549 to go into the tcs with yeah i find that surprising 00:25:15.549 --> 00:25:18.970 because i mean usually world cup athletes kind 00:25:18.970 --> 00:25:21.009 of get access to any gym they want to get access 00:25:21.009 --> 00:25:23.890 to right every time we call the higher -ups they're 00:25:23.890 --> 00:25:25.589 like oh yeah we want to help we want to help 00:25:25.589 --> 00:25:28.130 but then they just like don't do anything about 00:25:28.130 --> 00:25:31.230 it they're like yeah i'm sorry we can't give 00:25:31.230 --> 00:25:34.599 you access but like we want to help so like Yeah, 00:25:34.619 --> 00:25:37.160 I don't really get what their viewpoint is. You 00:25:37.160 --> 00:25:40.200 had mentioned that access to training facilities 00:25:40.200 --> 00:25:42.759 and resources makes a big difference with competitions. 00:25:44.440 --> 00:25:47.279 Can you just like elaborate on that a bit? Like, 00:25:47.400 --> 00:25:50.839 how is your access lacking now? And how do you 00:25:50.839 --> 00:25:53.140 feel like it will improve in the future? If you 00:25:53.140 --> 00:25:55.700 have like access to comp style boulders, of course, 00:25:55.720 --> 00:25:58.619 you're going to thrive in that area. If you don't, 00:25:58.619 --> 00:26:01.630 then you're not going to. I mean, back in the 00:26:01.630 --> 00:26:05.349 day, the coaches used to set like pretty hard 00:26:05.349 --> 00:26:08.809 comp style boulders for like the male, a male 00:26:08.809 --> 00:26:11.890 junior categories. And I would get on those type 00:26:11.890 --> 00:26:15.450 of stuff. But now I just haven't had access to 00:26:15.450 --> 00:26:18.210 that in like the past year or so. So it's been 00:26:18.210 --> 00:26:20.269 pretty hard to like train on those style blocks. 00:26:20.809 --> 00:26:23.049 The only time I actually can train on those is 00:26:23.049 --> 00:26:25.349 when I like fly out to Salt Lake. But I can only 00:26:25.349 --> 00:26:27.750 do that like so many times. And so that's why 00:26:27.750 --> 00:26:31.700 you use like spray walling a lot. Well, the training 00:26:31.700 --> 00:26:34.180 center is actually like where the spray wall 00:26:34.180 --> 00:26:36.299 is located and I haven't had access to that. 00:26:36.440 --> 00:26:38.920 So I've pretty much like leading up to Korea, 00:26:38.960 --> 00:26:41.240 I've just pretty much been board climbing and 00:26:41.240 --> 00:26:44.000 climbing out of the gyms. Whoa, really? Yeah, 00:26:44.079 --> 00:26:47.420 I did go to Salt Lake for a week, but yeah, it 00:26:47.420 --> 00:26:50.220 was very minimal. Yeah, I can only imagine because 00:26:50.220 --> 00:26:53.799 I mean, calm climbing is a very specific type 00:26:53.799 --> 00:26:58.529 of movement. Yeah, well, I can't imagine like 00:26:58.529 --> 00:27:01.150 trying to learn that without having access to, 00:27:01.250 --> 00:27:03.769 I don't know, maybe like the hold styles and 00:27:03.769 --> 00:27:06.049 like the specific setting. Yeah, I guess now 00:27:06.049 --> 00:27:09.470 you're like static style makes a lot more sense 00:27:09.470 --> 00:27:12.910 now to me. Yeah, pretty much like all that I 00:27:12.910 --> 00:27:15.710 focus on. Well, so yeah, with your upcoming like 00:27:15.710 --> 00:27:18.589 2026 goal of focusing on bouldering and coordination 00:27:18.589 --> 00:27:21.809 moves, how do you plan to get that experience? 00:27:22.430 --> 00:27:25.960 I think I'll be flying. down or up to Salt Lake 00:27:25.960 --> 00:27:30.259 a lot more often. And also one of the coaches 00:27:30.259 --> 00:27:32.779 is opening a new training center in the Dallas 00:27:32.779 --> 00:27:35.079 area. I can't really like talk too much about 00:27:35.079 --> 00:27:37.460 it, but I think it'll be a good thing. Okay. 00:27:37.500 --> 00:27:41.779 So then moving on into, I guess, a little bit 00:27:41.779 --> 00:27:47.380 of your lifestyle. I mean, you just graduated 00:27:47.380 --> 00:27:50.500 high school, right? Yeah, I did in the spring. 00:27:51.049 --> 00:27:52.990 were you just doing like public school or was 00:27:52.990 --> 00:27:57.269 it like homeschooling it's a public online school 00:27:57.269 --> 00:27:59.509 so it's pretty much like the exact same thing 00:27:59.509 --> 00:28:01.150 that you would be doing in a public school but 00:28:01.150 --> 00:28:03.470 all online I've been doing it since seventh grade 00:28:03.470 --> 00:28:06.130 so yeah does that make it easier to like balance 00:28:06.130 --> 00:28:08.890 school and climbing at the same time uh yeah 00:28:08.890 --> 00:28:11.230 definitely I mean like for like the assignments 00:28:11.230 --> 00:28:14.450 we still have due dates but we can like work 00:28:14.450 --> 00:28:17.109 as far ahead as we want or like whenever we want 00:28:17.109 --> 00:28:20.059 throughout the day so It's pretty flexible. Do 00:28:20.059 --> 00:28:23.240 you plan on doing like further education or college 00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:25.079 or you're just going to be focusing on climbing 00:28:25.079 --> 00:28:28.700 like the upcoming year? Definitely further education. 00:28:28.779 --> 00:28:31.960 I was going to start college and like this month, 00:28:31.960 --> 00:28:35.319 actually, but I decided to just like take a gap 00:28:35.319 --> 00:28:38.640 semester just to like fully relax and recover 00:28:38.640 --> 00:28:41.500 after the season. But I'll be starting college 00:28:41.500 --> 00:28:45.720 next year in the spring. Exciting. What are you 00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:48.519 like? What's your major? Uh, digital marketing. 00:28:48.779 --> 00:28:50.500 That was something I was considering getting 00:28:50.500 --> 00:28:54.519 into and then it didn't work out. So I'm back 00:28:54.519 --> 00:28:57.220 to my usual stuff, but, uh, are you like going 00:28:57.220 --> 00:28:59.859 to stay at home doing that? Or I know a lot of, 00:28:59.859 --> 00:29:03.740 uh, US comp climbers end up moving to the Salt 00:29:03.740 --> 00:29:07.220 Lake area for better training facilities. I honestly 00:29:07.220 --> 00:29:09.460 don't know yet. I really want to move to Salt 00:29:09.460 --> 00:29:10.980 Lake, but I just don't really have the money 00:29:10.980 --> 00:29:15.099 to do that right now. Don't really get a lot 00:29:15.099 --> 00:29:19.920 of funding from sponsors, but yeah, I guess we'll 00:29:19.920 --> 00:29:21.799 see. For right now, I'll be staying at home and 00:29:21.799 --> 00:29:24.900 doing school. Do you feel like, well, so first 00:29:24.900 --> 00:29:27.019 of all, like USA Climbing doesn't provide any 00:29:27.019 --> 00:29:30.819 like stipend for winning comps or being on the 00:29:30.819 --> 00:29:33.759 US team or anything like that? No, they do fund 00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:36.759 like most of our big expenses, like flights and 00:29:36.759 --> 00:29:38.940 hotels and stuff like that, but that's pretty 00:29:38.940 --> 00:29:43.230 much it. And in terms of like... Making money 00:29:43.230 --> 00:29:46.670 from winning competitions that you go to, it's 00:29:46.670 --> 00:29:51.509 not much. It's very minimal, yeah. Definitely 00:29:51.509 --> 00:29:56.289 not enough to live off of. I know a lot of competitors 00:29:56.289 --> 00:30:00.230 in the U .S. end up going to local comps to make 00:30:00.230 --> 00:30:03.630 a bit more money. I feel like you would be kind 00:30:03.630 --> 00:30:07.390 of a shoo -in for getting first place. So is 00:30:07.390 --> 00:30:10.549 that something you do much? I mean, I used to 00:30:10.549 --> 00:30:13.309 do those in the past, but I don't know. It's 00:30:13.309 --> 00:30:15.529 just after such a long season, I'm just like 00:30:15.529 --> 00:30:18.549 so tired. And like the last thing I want to be 00:30:18.549 --> 00:30:20.529 doing is like traveling and doing another comp. 00:30:21.069 --> 00:30:23.410 I just want to be like relaxing and maybe go 00:30:23.410 --> 00:30:26.450 outdoor climbing. So do you have like a preference 00:30:26.450 --> 00:30:28.769 for outdoor climbing? I don't think I see much 00:30:28.769 --> 00:30:33.170 info about your like outdoor sense. I definitely 00:30:33.170 --> 00:30:35.390 do enjoy it a lot, but I just don't get outside 00:30:35.390 --> 00:30:37.329 that much since I'm like pretty much competing 00:30:37.329 --> 00:30:41.099 the entire year. Or like training for it. But 00:30:41.099 --> 00:30:44.180 yeah, I might do a little bit this like coming 00:30:44.180 --> 00:30:46.539 month or next month. Yeah, I guess now would 00:30:46.539 --> 00:30:49.119 be the time since you're taking a break. Where 00:30:49.119 --> 00:30:51.799 are you planning on going outside? We're thinking 00:30:51.799 --> 00:30:55.880 about maybe rifle. Just like a fun trip. Maybe 00:30:55.880 --> 00:30:59.039 not like try anything super hard. Like a family 00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:03.519 trip? Yeah. So you don't have any like big ascents 00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:06.819 that you're planning on doing outside? Not really. 00:31:06.980 --> 00:31:09.099 I'm kind of just going with the flow right now. 00:31:09.440 --> 00:31:12.680 I mean, I was working on Golden Ticket last year, 00:31:12.740 --> 00:31:15.880 but I really don't think I'm in shape for that 00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:18.140 route right now. Okay. If I'm being completely 00:31:18.140 --> 00:31:22.480 honest. What is Golden Ticket? It's 14C in the 00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:25.359 red, although I do think it's harder than that. 00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:29.380 I sent Pure Imagination, which is to the left 00:31:29.380 --> 00:31:32.980 of it, third go on that trip, and that one's 00:31:32.980 --> 00:31:36.140 also rated 14C. And then I like got on golden 00:31:36.140 --> 00:31:39.299 ticket and it felt like at least two or three 00:31:39.299 --> 00:31:43.759 grades harder, maybe two grades. So at least 00:31:43.759 --> 00:31:47.440 for me, I feel, yeah, I feel like for that route, 00:31:47.539 --> 00:31:50.559 it's a lot easier if you're taller. For me, it's 00:31:50.559 --> 00:31:53.220 hard to conceptualize what it means to be in 00:31:53.220 --> 00:31:58.519 shape for a certain route or for a certain outdoor 00:31:58.519 --> 00:32:02.019 bouldering season versus indoor competition bouldering 00:32:02.019 --> 00:32:06.039 season. What does that mean to you? It may not 00:32:06.039 --> 00:32:08.119 seem like it, but I feel like my endurance is 00:32:08.119 --> 00:32:10.960 not that great right now because I haven't really 00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:14.640 been training it that much. Maybe if I train 00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:16.740 it a little bit, I could get into shape pretty 00:32:16.740 --> 00:32:20.769 fast. I don't know. It's not really something 00:32:20.769 --> 00:32:23.470 that I'm like too focused on. Well, best of luck 00:32:23.470 --> 00:32:26.970 to your outdoor adventures. Thank you. Outside 00:32:26.970 --> 00:32:29.349 of climbing in school, do you feel like you have 00:32:29.349 --> 00:32:32.650 time for any other hobbies? I mean, honestly, 00:32:32.829 --> 00:32:37.269 not really. Like I feel like earlier in the year, 00:32:37.289 --> 00:32:39.769 all I was doing was just like climbing in school. 00:32:39.869 --> 00:32:41.730 And now that I have a bunch of free time, I just 00:32:41.730 --> 00:32:43.349 don't really don't really know what to do with 00:32:43.349 --> 00:32:46.470 myself. Kind of just like sitting at home doing 00:32:46.470 --> 00:32:50.230 nothing. Oh, really? Yeah. You haven't like picked 00:32:50.230 --> 00:32:53.190 up anything new? I mean, I've been like lifting 00:32:53.190 --> 00:32:55.730 and stuff like that, but not climbing. Just like 00:32:55.730 --> 00:32:59.829 scrolling online or? Yeah, taking naps from the 00:32:59.829 --> 00:33:02.529 jet lag. Right. Yeah, that makes sense. I would 00:33:02.529 --> 00:33:05.269 recommend, I recommend this to everyone. I don't 00:33:05.269 --> 00:33:08.529 know why. I really like crocheting. I'll have 00:33:08.529 --> 00:33:11.849 to try that out. Yeah. A lot of my friends do 00:33:11.849 --> 00:33:15.130 crocheting. I started it with one of those, I 00:33:15.130 --> 00:33:16.990 don't know if you've ever seen like the ads, 00:33:17.170 --> 00:33:21.190 but it's called like WooWools and it has like 00:33:21.190 --> 00:33:23.750 kids. Oh yeah, I've seen that, yeah. Yeah, that's 00:33:23.750 --> 00:33:26.170 how I like started it. I don't even know why 00:33:26.170 --> 00:33:28.329 I talk about it so much. I don't even do it right 00:33:28.329 --> 00:33:30.309 now because I don't have time for it. But it's 00:33:30.309 --> 00:33:33.490 like when I do have time, I think I want to get 00:33:33.490 --> 00:33:36.410 into that. Yeah, I'll have to check it out. Okay, 00:33:36.490 --> 00:33:40.019 so. Getting into some of the audience questions, 00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:44.380 in some professions, a person can dislike or 00:33:44.380 --> 00:33:46.700 at least like not love their job, but still excel 00:33:46.700 --> 00:33:51.160 and spend a lot of time at work. How applicable 00:33:51.160 --> 00:33:54.019 do you feel like that is to climbing? Like if 00:33:54.019 --> 00:33:56.960 someone put in a lot of work, but weren't necessarily 00:33:56.960 --> 00:33:59.579 passionate about it, do you feel like they could 00:33:59.579 --> 00:34:03.779 still be at an elite level? I don't know. I don't 00:34:03.779 --> 00:34:07.519 really think so. I feel like you can't. I feel 00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:09.920 like it's not possible to spend that much time 00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:12.380 in a gym and put that much effort if you're not 00:34:12.380 --> 00:34:15.960 passionate about it. I mean, honestly, I don't 00:34:15.960 --> 00:34:17.900 think I'm the best person to ask because I love 00:34:17.900 --> 00:34:22.539 climbing, but I would think not. Do you remember 00:34:22.539 --> 00:34:26.440 moments during training where you just didn't 00:34:26.440 --> 00:34:29.079 really feel like doing it anymore? I mean, there's 00:34:29.079 --> 00:34:31.480 definitely times in my training where I'm frustrated 00:34:31.480 --> 00:34:37.570 because I'm not where I want to be at. I feel 00:34:37.570 --> 00:34:43.110 like there was never a time where I never enjoyed 00:34:43.110 --> 00:34:46.469 it, I guess. I don't know. I just, like, enjoy 00:34:46.469 --> 00:34:50.269 the grind. I enjoy, like, the pain. Yeah. You 00:34:50.269 --> 00:34:52.409 never had a moment where it was just like, oh, 00:34:52.409 --> 00:34:54.190 I feel like I want to quit climbing altogether? 00:34:54.909 --> 00:34:56.889 I mean, maybe after a comp, but that was just, 00:34:56.929 --> 00:34:59.369 like, for, like, 10, 15 minutes, and then I'm 00:34:59.369 --> 00:35:01.550 fine. I mean, what about, like, the training 00:35:01.550 --> 00:35:03.730 portion? I know a lot of athletes say that they 00:35:03.730 --> 00:35:06.670 also love, like, the training as well. Yeah, 00:35:06.690 --> 00:35:10.469 I really enjoy training. I actually find it more 00:35:10.469 --> 00:35:13.750 fun than comp sometimes. Oh, interesting. Okay. 00:35:13.829 --> 00:35:17.670 Just like the getting stronger portion? I think 00:35:17.670 --> 00:35:20.070 a lot of people have different ideas of what 00:35:20.070 --> 00:35:23.230 training entails. Is that just strength training 00:35:23.230 --> 00:35:27.949 or board stuff? Or what is training? I don't 00:35:27.949 --> 00:35:30.090 know. There's just a lot. Just getting stronger 00:35:30.090 --> 00:35:32.880 on the board and also... When I'm doing endurance 00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:35.559 on ropes, it's really easy for me to get locked 00:35:35.559 --> 00:35:39.099 in. And it feels like I'm just not getting pumped 00:35:39.099 --> 00:35:41.519 at all. And I can just keep climbing forever. 00:35:42.579 --> 00:35:46.320 So that's really fun. Okay. Good to know. Well, 00:35:46.420 --> 00:35:50.380 so earlier you had also mentioned that you don't 00:35:50.380 --> 00:35:53.599 really feel nervous for comps. I kind of wonder 00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:56.500 what goes through your mind leading up to and 00:35:56.500 --> 00:36:00.199 during a comp. I honestly... don't have much 00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:02.820 to say about that because I don't I try not to 00:36:02.820 --> 00:36:06.179 think too much about comps and like I like mentioned 00:36:06.179 --> 00:36:08.119 earlier I'm not super competitive with other 00:36:08.119 --> 00:36:11.420 people I'm more like competitive with myself 00:36:11.420 --> 00:36:13.860 so I guess there's not as much pressure there 00:36:13.860 --> 00:36:17.079 I'm just like trying to perform to the best of 00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:19.920 my abilities and like whatever happens happens 00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:25.199 okay so like if I'm mad or upset after a comp 00:36:25.199 --> 00:36:27.780 it's like because I didn't perform the way I 00:36:27.780 --> 00:36:31.019 want wanted to or like as well as I knew I'm 00:36:31.019 --> 00:36:35.239 capable of I mean yeah that makes sense um I 00:36:35.239 --> 00:36:38.559 know that mindset is a lot of thing is like a 00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:40.800 big thing that a lot of athletes struggle with 00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:44.179 and so especially as a younger competitor do 00:36:44.179 --> 00:36:46.599 you feel like you've had struggles with your 00:36:46.599 --> 00:36:50.280 mindset at all during competitions or like where 00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:52.980 you get into a negative space like during a competition 00:36:52.980 --> 00:36:56.469 I would say so yeah like when I'm not able to 00:36:56.469 --> 00:36:58.429 do a boulder it kind of does get into my head 00:36:58.429 --> 00:37:01.170 especially when it's like a boulder I know that 00:37:01.170 --> 00:37:05.050 I can do but I was like just too timid to like 00:37:05.050 --> 00:37:07.449 give it my all or like on a lead route I'm like 00:37:07.449 --> 00:37:10.190 getting to the head wall and I'm thinking oh 00:37:10.190 --> 00:37:12.769 what if my foot slips and that kind of like throws 00:37:12.769 --> 00:37:16.570 me off how do you like get back into the right 00:37:16.570 --> 00:37:18.989 mindset or get back get your head back into the 00:37:18.989 --> 00:37:21.929 game I honestly don't really have anything right 00:37:21.929 --> 00:37:23.510 now it's kind of something I'm still working 00:37:23.510 --> 00:37:27.239 on has it ever like ruined an entire comp for 00:37:27.239 --> 00:37:29.739 you like you maybe like on a first boulder you 00:37:29.739 --> 00:37:31.639 came out and it didn't go the way you wanted 00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:33.400 and then it kind of affected the rest of the 00:37:33.400 --> 00:37:36.940 competition yeah for sure definitely like Innsbruck 00:37:36.940 --> 00:37:40.460 finals was a big one because like looking at 00:37:40.460 --> 00:37:43.519 the boulders I felt pretty confident that I could 00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:47.059 do them and then I got out and I was trying the 00:37:47.059 --> 00:37:49.539 first boulder and I just had no idea what to 00:37:49.539 --> 00:37:52.320 do and it really frustrated me and I kind of 00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:54.389 just like threw off the whole round Yeah, do 00:37:54.389 --> 00:37:57.510 you remember what you were feeling like or what 00:37:57.510 --> 00:37:59.650 went through your mind the rest of that finals? 00:38:00.050 --> 00:38:02.429 I don't know. I think I was just so focused on 00:38:02.429 --> 00:38:06.610 like, oh, I didn't do the first boulder because 00:38:06.610 --> 00:38:10.409 I had no idea what to do. I was just so frustrated 00:38:10.409 --> 00:38:12.389 and so hard on myself that I couldn't really 00:38:12.389 --> 00:38:14.650 focus on giving it my all for the next three 00:38:14.650 --> 00:38:18.889 boulders. Even on the slab, which was a pretty 00:38:18.889 --> 00:38:22.429 easy boulder, I was just so frustrated that it 00:38:22.429 --> 00:38:24.639 took me like... three or four attempts to do 00:38:24.639 --> 00:38:27.699 it. I guess in those comps, I mean, you say that 00:38:27.699 --> 00:38:30.599 it's always just about like your own performance. 00:38:30.619 --> 00:38:32.960 Do you like pay attention to if other people 00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:36.980 are topping or getting zones or anything like 00:38:36.980 --> 00:38:39.539 that? Maybe a little bit, but it doesn't really 00:38:39.539 --> 00:38:42.960 affect me that much. So like if you say you like 00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:46.199 know that you need to top a boulder because other 00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:49.260 people have, there was like a window of opening 00:38:49.260 --> 00:38:52.409 for you to. take a gold or something like that. 00:38:52.449 --> 00:38:56.650 Does it motivate you more to try harder? I mean, 00:38:56.670 --> 00:38:59.269 I honestly don't know. I always try to try as 00:38:59.269 --> 00:39:03.289 hard as I possibly can, even if I'm like not 00:39:03.289 --> 00:39:06.730 going to win anything. So it's hard to say. Okay. 00:39:06.789 --> 00:39:08.670 So yeah, going back to some of the audience questions 00:39:08.670 --> 00:39:12.150 or the last two, they're both like mindset related. 00:39:12.969 --> 00:39:15.010 Have you ever worked with a sports psychologist 00:39:15.010 --> 00:39:18.809 and what are your thoughts on it? I started working 00:39:18.809 --> 00:39:24.909 with one recently this past month, but I don't 00:39:24.909 --> 00:39:28.090 know. It's honestly kind of weird for me. How 00:39:28.090 --> 00:39:32.329 so? I think I'm just not used to it, but I'm 00:39:32.329 --> 00:39:34.869 a pretty introverted person, so I'm not really 00:39:34.869 --> 00:39:37.570 used to talking and opening up to people. So 00:39:37.570 --> 00:39:40.170 it's kind of weird for me. How do you feel like 00:39:40.170 --> 00:39:43.650 it's going? Have you learned any strategies that 00:39:43.650 --> 00:39:45.630 you feel like have been helpful or things that 00:39:45.630 --> 00:39:48.349 you might want to do? take forward i mean honestly 00:39:48.349 --> 00:39:53.070 like not really damn okay but just blast the 00:39:53.070 --> 00:39:57.949 psychologist yeah sorry my bad but yeah i don't 00:39:57.949 --> 00:40:00.530 know well hopefully i mean it's only a month 00:40:00.530 --> 00:40:04.130 so wait it out and see yeah hopefully you'll 00:40:04.130 --> 00:40:09.130 get some uh helpful tips there and so the last 00:40:09.130 --> 00:40:12.130 one the last audience question was how do you 00:40:12.130 --> 00:40:14.090 manage pressure when it starts to get to you 00:40:14.519 --> 00:40:17.219 I don't know. I honestly feel like I don't feel 00:40:17.219 --> 00:40:21.019 pressure at comps, which is kind of a weird thing. 00:40:21.119 --> 00:40:25.960 But, like, I don't know. I guess when I, like, 00:40:25.960 --> 00:40:29.760 don't top a boulder, I can, like, get really 00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:35.559 hard on myself. But I guess I put the pressure 00:40:35.559 --> 00:40:37.639 on myself more than I, like, feel it from other 00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:40.480 people. Yeah, I mean, now that you've won, like, 00:40:40.519 --> 00:40:44.909 a few medals and golds do you feel like you have 00:40:44.909 --> 00:40:47.570 more expectations for yourself or like are you 00:40:47.570 --> 00:40:49.429 putting more pressure on yourself to perform 00:40:49.429 --> 00:40:54.349 and podium i mean not really i kind of like yeah 00:40:54.349 --> 00:40:57.929 i'm pretty chill okay that seems like a good 00:40:57.929 --> 00:41:00.510 way to go about it yeah i mean i guess especially 00:41:00.510 --> 00:41:02.969 since you mentioned like the next couple years 00:41:02.969 --> 00:41:06.210 it's not olympic season so it's just kind of 00:41:06.210 --> 00:41:09.789 like a fun time yeah i mean of course i want 00:41:09.789 --> 00:41:12.369 to like podium and win but like if i don't then 00:41:12.369 --> 00:41:16.530 I guess it's fine as long as I'm climbing strong. 00:41:16.769 --> 00:41:18.949 One of the healthier mindsets I've heard about 00:41:18.949 --> 00:41:23.610 competing. So do you like competition style boulders? 00:41:24.449 --> 00:41:29.030 I do. Yeah, I do really enjoy competing and being 00:41:29.030 --> 00:41:31.489 out on the stage and trying hard and stuff like 00:41:31.489 --> 00:41:35.469 that, but definitely need to work on those comp 00:41:35.469 --> 00:41:39.690 style moves. Another one. Again, about like having 00:41:39.690 --> 00:41:41.969 a lot of endurance and doing lead. Do you have 00:41:41.969 --> 00:41:45.730 any tips for lead climbing and endurance? I would 00:41:45.730 --> 00:41:49.170 just say like, honestly, just like climb a lot 00:41:49.170 --> 00:41:53.989 for pure endurance. Just like do like a bunch 00:41:53.989 --> 00:41:56.050 of routes. That's what I do when I'm just trying 00:41:56.050 --> 00:41:58.230 to build like a base endurance. I do like a minimum 00:41:58.230 --> 00:42:00.829 of like 15 to 20 routes, like I said earlier. 00:42:01.429 --> 00:42:04.449 Okay. You don't have like a endurance hangboarding 00:42:04.449 --> 00:42:08.630 routine? No. I do hangboard, but not for like 00:42:08.630 --> 00:42:11.150 endurance, just for pure finger strength. And 00:42:11.150 --> 00:42:14.610 so again, going back to you having a more like 00:42:14.610 --> 00:42:19.449 static climbing style. I know a lot of like gym 00:42:19.449 --> 00:42:22.449 climbers also don't really like big coordination 00:42:22.449 --> 00:42:25.449 moves or dynamic moves. So this might be really 00:42:25.449 --> 00:42:29.809 relatable to them. And you still manage to excel 00:42:29.809 --> 00:42:33.250 at like coordination moves in a static way too. 00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:37.619 Any tips for people with a more static and controlled 00:42:37.619 --> 00:42:41.179 style as they struggle on moves that ask for 00:42:41.179 --> 00:42:45.519 more dynamic movement? I mean, honestly, I would 00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:49.079 just say commit to the jump, commit to the quarto 00:42:49.079 --> 00:42:52.500 move, and eventually you're going to learn the 00:42:52.500 --> 00:42:55.920 movement and dial down the move, even if it takes 00:42:55.920 --> 00:42:58.980 you longer than maybe a more powerful climber 00:42:58.980 --> 00:43:02.150 would take on it. So you actually do not suggest 00:43:02.150 --> 00:43:04.969 people to follow your climbing style and try 00:43:04.969 --> 00:43:08.070 to beta break a dino? No, don't do that. Okay. 00:43:08.230 --> 00:43:10.969 Okay. Good to know. I mean, you could do both, 00:43:10.969 --> 00:43:14.750 honestly. Do the boulder twice. Okay. Well, people 00:43:14.750 --> 00:43:17.289 are going to hate to hear that one. Yeah. Yeah. 00:43:17.329 --> 00:43:19.809 Work on your weaknesses, I guess. And you'll 00:43:19.809 --> 00:43:23.349 be the leader for that as you work on your bouldering 00:43:23.349 --> 00:43:27.250 for 2026. Yeah, hopefully. Okay. And really quick 00:43:27.250 --> 00:43:32.719 last one. With your unique climbing style, does 00:43:32.719 --> 00:43:34.940 it make it difficult for you to collaborate with 00:43:34.940 --> 00:43:37.300 other athletes when you guys are previewing boulders 00:43:37.300 --> 00:43:40.079 or lead? I mean, honestly, most of the time, 00:43:40.079 --> 00:43:42.980 I feel like the beta is pretty straightforward. 00:43:43.159 --> 00:43:46.360 So we do agree with most of the movement, most 00:43:46.360 --> 00:43:51.099 of the beta. But I also don't really read the 00:43:51.099 --> 00:43:53.400 route with anyone usually because I'm pretty 00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:57.360 introverted. So I'm too shy to walk up to other 00:43:57.360 --> 00:44:01.000 people. ask about beta and stuff like that but 00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:03.260 it's something i'm trying to work on people don't 00:44:03.260 --> 00:44:04.940 like come up to you and try to ask for your beta 00:44:04.940 --> 00:44:08.420 no not really i mean yeah i guess i don't actually 00:44:08.420 --> 00:44:12.000 know what people are talking about when they're 00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:14.519 going through it like they just read it together 00:44:14.519 --> 00:44:17.360 or are they ever trying to like get specific 00:44:17.360 --> 00:44:20.880 info about how you're gonna do a climb i mean 00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:23.420 maybe like specific info on the more like complex 00:44:23.420 --> 00:44:26.239 movements so like a lead route is structured 00:44:26.239 --> 00:44:29.000 it's like pretty easy climbing and then maybe 00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:33.000 like a hard move and then like a powerful steep 00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:36.659 section and then like a slow finish on the headwall 00:44:36.659 --> 00:44:40.599 so like most of the time we would be like talking 00:44:40.599 --> 00:44:42.760 through the crux of the lead route are there 00:44:42.760 --> 00:44:44.820 certain athletes you're happy to see with you 00:44:44.820 --> 00:44:47.420 in finals because you feel like you think alike 00:44:47.420 --> 00:44:50.260 or climb alike and then you can collaborate better 00:44:50.260 --> 00:44:53.800 with them uh i mean honestly It's always fun 00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:56.019 to get to compete against all these girls because 00:44:56.019 --> 00:44:58.059 they're all super strong and super cool. But 00:44:58.059 --> 00:45:01.360 I think I'd have to say Jenny Buckley because 00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:03.619 she's one of my closest friends. So it's always 00:45:03.619 --> 00:45:06.760 cool to get to compete with her. Oh, okay. That's 00:45:06.760 --> 00:45:08.760 good to know. Yeah, she's so nice. I talked to 00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:12.119 her a little bit. Yeah, she's super fun to talk 00:45:12.119 --> 00:45:15.260 to. Yeah. Do you feel like you guys have similar 00:45:15.260 --> 00:45:18.739 climbing styles? Definitely not. She's a super 00:45:18.739 --> 00:45:21.940 dynamic climber. Like, complete opposites. I 00:45:21.940 --> 00:45:24.139 guess of, like, the other competitors, who do 00:45:24.139 --> 00:45:28.320 you feel like is most similar to you? I mean, 00:45:28.519 --> 00:45:32.559 I don't know. Probably the lead climbers. Maybe 00:45:32.559 --> 00:45:36.300 Chaeyeon Seo. Maybe, like, Imori, too. Although 00:45:36.300 --> 00:45:39.000 she is a lot shorter, so that might change things 00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:42.099 a bit. I mean, Chaeyeon is pretty good at bouldering, 00:45:42.099 --> 00:45:44.639 too, so I'd probably say her. Yeah, she also, 00:45:44.699 --> 00:45:47.219 like, went back and worked a lot on her bouldering. 00:45:47.750 --> 00:45:51.909 Yeah, she's super strong. Yeah. Well, I hope 00:45:51.909 --> 00:45:54.289 that it works out for you next season. I hope 00:45:54.289 --> 00:45:56.889 to see you do a lot more coordination moves and 00:45:56.889 --> 00:46:00.949 not feel too scared of them. I think that's all 00:46:00.949 --> 00:46:04.650 the questions I had for today then. Do you have 00:46:04.650 --> 00:46:07.630 any like last minute words of wisdom that you 00:46:07.630 --> 00:46:10.690 want to get out there for like maybe people who 00:46:10.690 --> 00:46:13.849 are trying to get into climbing or comp climbers? 00:46:14.110 --> 00:46:17.380 I mean, I don't know. I guess like. Keep training 00:46:17.380 --> 00:46:20.739 hard and having fun. Enjoy the process. All right. 00:46:20.760 --> 00:46:23.159 Cool. Anything else that you might want to shout 00:46:23.159 --> 00:46:25.159 out or let people know where they can find you? 00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:29.679 Get like sponsors? I mean, my Instagram is Annie 00:46:29.679 --> 00:46:34.219 .Sanders with an extra S at the end. But yeah, 00:46:34.340 --> 00:46:37.440 that's pretty much my main social media. I'm 00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:39.739 also on Red Note, actually. Oh, really? Annie 00:46:39.739 --> 00:46:44.579 .Sanders. Yeah. Okay. Red Note is like the Chinese? 00:46:44.579 --> 00:46:48.090 The Chinese TikTok. Yeah. Okay. why red note 00:46:48.090 --> 00:46:53.030 i have like a lot of fans in asia and china so 00:46:53.030 --> 00:46:56.050 i don't know a couple friends mentioned to me 00:46:56.050 --> 00:46:57.849 that it might be like a good idea to start a 00:46:57.849 --> 00:47:00.570 social media platform on there or a social media 00:47:00.570 --> 00:47:04.250 account okay gotcha okay sounds good well i will 00:47:04.250 --> 00:47:06.510 link those below hopefully i can find the red 00:47:06.510 --> 00:47:08.730 note one i've never had anyone try to share their 00:47:08.730 --> 00:47:12.090 red notes so i'll take a look there Yeah, that's 00:47:12.090 --> 00:47:14.570 all I have then. Thank you again. It was amazing 00:47:14.570 --> 00:47:17.389 to talk to you. Yeah, thank you. 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