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of moving locations and there's just stuff everywhere.

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If you could just see where we are you'd understand where I'm coming from.

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So I do apologize from the deepest part of my heart.

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Let's start again.

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Now it's like an electrical slice.

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As we were saying before, you contacted me through IPL because I put something up on

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Facebook and it was the word resilience.

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Is that correct?

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It was and it just a very short post that says resilience, the capacity to withstand or quickly recover

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from difficulties.

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And it's something that really resonated with me because when you're a victim of human

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trafficking and you have no choice when you're physically tortured or I've witnessed murder

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on multiple occasions, then how do you compartmentalize that?

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How do you move forward with your life when essentially it's like being in two different

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worlds, this world where I had been drugged and if I got angry, if I voiced my anger at

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all or showed any kind of emotion, then I would be physically tortured and have had

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marbles put in my mouth and then smashed with a, like a mallet, like a kitchen mallet, which

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then smashes your teeth.

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But then in my waking everyday life, I'm functional, I go to work, I volunteer at a radio station,

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I have all these other outside hobbies and interests and like going to the beach for

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walks and it's something that people I think don't really understand because I was going

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to work or I thought I was going to work and I was indeed going to work, but because it's

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so difficult to know what's happening when you're being drugged, when you're in the midst

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of that.

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Was this an Australian?

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Well, I was taken in and out of Australia, yes.

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There's hard evidence of a passport photo of me and a different name underneath and

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flight logs and police don't want to know about it.

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So when I tried to get a search warrant so that I could try and get justice, I was given

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a referral to Alma Street and so having not a lot of trust in professionals because

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in my waking everyday life when I had tried to express this is what's happening,

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I'm a victim of human trafficking and the frustration levels because I'm not being heard

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and tried to I guess pin me into a little hole and say I was schizophrenic.

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So it really, whether it be in this drugged life or in my waking life, it really hadn't

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been safe to express my feelings and express what was going on.

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How do you function as a normal person after all that has happened to you?

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So part of that in my early days, I started to study social work.

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but what it gave me was the tools on communication and more so resilience.

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It was one of the key things I got out of it was creating happiness and sustaining happiness.

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So that's something that even though I no longer took that social work avenue, I have

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created a course that is like a happiness toolkit that involves some of the things that

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I've learnt along the way and what kind of areas of the brain help with your happiness

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levels and really looking...

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Sounds amazing and obviously it's something that's helped you along.

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like doctors and counsellors or just having friends and understanding that it's letting

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them know that if I don't show up for something, ring the police because the reason that it

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happened to start with was because I was in a vulnerable situation.

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I didn't have any family.

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I had a young child and my child was go to a babysitter, go to my friend's house, but

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be you know, looked after one night a week while I was working and this person and I

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still don't know who they are today was ringing my friend and saying I was sick, I had to

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work late, I'm not feeling well, so that they would take care of her for two, three, four

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days at a time when I was being drugged and taken not only in Australia but overseas.

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and the evidence that was there and said sorry, I'd normally send you to police but clearly

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that's not an option.

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So I'm in the process of looking at ways to develop an app to not only diagnose but also

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treat PTSD, so that's the bigger long-term plan and the short-term one is me doing a

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podcast and getting other people in from those neuroscience, psychology, you know, doctors,

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people that focus on the brain to look at different ways where like the emotions that

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the brain has or the physical chemistry of the brain and how the little things that we

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can do ourselves to help put ourselves in a better state.

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How long ago was this that happened to you, can I ask?

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It's recent, like so it went on for 12 years.

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I recently spoke to somebody overseas who said the person that bought her was a lawyer.

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if it's linked in with some of these other bigger cases.

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Wow, that's, I mean, you hear about these things, you hear about them and you see them

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on TV, you read books about them, but I've never spoken to anyone who's actually been

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through it and I just, my heart goes out to you because I can't imagine the trauma that

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you had at the time, the trauma that you must be going through on a day to day basis having

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to deal with something you're not even sure about yourself because you haven't got answers

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You can't accept what happened because you don't know what happened.

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and trying to recall as much detail as possible so that if anything does come about where

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I'm able to get justice, then I'm able to be as reliable as possible.

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trauma for such a long period.

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So it's really about doing meditation and looking for ways that bring me peace and bring

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Have you been through hypnotherapy at all?

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I haven't been through hypnotherapy.

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I had thyroid cancer quite a few years ago, so I'm quite focused on diet and, you know,

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trying to eat organically where I can or limit bread or my rice and that sort of thing.

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Good for you.

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So how are you coping now?

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How's life for you now?

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It's good.

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It really feels though like it's at the start of the journey and you've got to kind of rebuild.

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And sometimes when others might go along and, you know, they get a little hiccup in the

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road and you get a little sort of dip and then you go along on your merry way.

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I kind of feel like because so much has happened that it's been such an overwhelming journey,

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if I get a little bump, sometimes that can, you know, send you into a bit of a spiral

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and you've got to be really focused about, well, okay, I'm aware this has happened.

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And having a list almost to remind yourself like, okay, let's do X, Y and Z. Let's start

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on a daily basis and see what I can do today and then look at what I can do tomorrow and

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the next day and the next day.

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And then after that, you start to slowly build up again so that you're, you know, feeling

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a bit more confident and feeling like you're on a bit of more sort of even ground.

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I heard you say that you're volunteering in a radio station.

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What radio station do you volunteer for?

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It is Radio Free Mantle.

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Oh, cool.

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And do you find that that's really good therapy for you?

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Because my suffer from anxiety, depression and I feel radio is my therapy.

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Has it helped you?

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It really is because I bring a little bit of my podcast into the studio.

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So I'll often, you know, try and have guests where we're talking about the manifestation

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or clearing statements or it might be, you know, more specific to the brain and different

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emotions.

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I think music is such good therapy in it.

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Yeah, gets you dancing, gets you happy.

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I always say that I have a therapist and they know his music.

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That's my mantra.

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I want to give that as a tattoo actually.

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Oh, that would be a great tattoo.

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Queen, just while I have you, Norenda, what a powerful, incredible life story.

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And thank you for sharing that.

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The fact that you're still here, the fact that you're still walking, the fact that you're

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still so positive and very true to your first communication.

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Oh, thank you.

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Yeah, look, I think...

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And very courageous too.

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I think it's really courageous to be able to talk about things that are very negative

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in your life because people do judge you.

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Do you have that a lot in your life?

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People judge you for your story?

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I really have had that and I think it's something that I used to be quite afraid to talk about,

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but I think buried in there, there was quite a bit of survivor's guilt as well for the

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people that I've seen murdered.

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So when you are in those situations and you're in fight or flight and your nervous system's

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all over the place, you really do need to look at those very...

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What's that?

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Is it Maslow's Law?

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Is that what it's called?

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Your survival, what you need just to get by in the day.

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You just go to a survival mode.

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then you can sort of almost look at starting to work on the trauma from there.

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But I think at this stage, it's just about building out that survival space.

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So how far are you with this app now?

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Not as far as I would like.

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I had worked with a company, a research company called Practira, and they were amazing.

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So they work with the universities and look at having the masters or honours students

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to do the research, do some research for you.

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So I've worked on sort of the benefits and what are some of the disadvantages of it.

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But I need to do a little bit more on the practicalities of it.

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And it almost goes into ophthalmology or psychology.

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You're able to do it.

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Please keep in contact me about that because once you have got it up and going, I would

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love to be able to come out there for you as well.

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Yes, I really, it's something that I feel if it's something that can help me and can

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assist others, then it would be great to be able to get it out there for the community

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and also for that rural aspect where maybe people find it a bit harder to get services

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because they are located a bit further out.

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Definitely a great idea.

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So you do podcasts as well as you said.

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Do you talk about these sort of things on your podcast?

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I do, yes.

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How do people get hold of you on the podcast?

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Have you got an address or something we can...

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The podcast is Manifestation, Motivation and Passion Brain Rewiring Required, which is

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a little bit wordy.

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Can you send me that information on my phone and then I'll be able to promote it on my

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Absolutely, yeah, of course.

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Thank you.

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Yeah, go on.

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And how many times do you go up to your podcast?

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Is it once a week or...?

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It has been once a week.

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I've just moved it to once a fortnight at the moment because it's a little bit crazy

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and a bit going on, but hopefully it will be once a week again in the near future.

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Brilliant.

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And do you have people contact you through Facebook, et cetera, and chat about these

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types of things or you don't tend to go down the track?

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Yeah, so I've got a Facebook page and Instagram page, Manifestation, Motivation and Passion.

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Go and send that to me and I'll pass that on.

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If anyone wants to contact, that would be amazing.

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I think with that survivor's guilt, it's being in a room with someone and seeing them talk

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and get angry and wanting to escape and not be able to is very difficult and then seeing

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someone being shot in person and I think smelling that blood.

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These murders that you've seen, have they been brought to justice?

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Has anything happened about that?

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These people just disappeared?

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Disappeared, yeah.

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go to Alma Street.

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Is that right?

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No, no.

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So the police had tried to pin me as schizophrenic and referred me to Alma Street.

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Oh, the police.

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Yeah.

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And it was Alma Street that said to me, no, we've confirmed everything and we would normally

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send you to police, but that's clearly not an option.

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There's still no action coming by.

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So maybe there's some sort of...

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And so...

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...what's happening there.

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Well, I've approached lawyers even and they've basically said until police do a search warrant,

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there isn't anything that can be done.

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So yeah.

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That's so frustrating.

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And I had previously made friends with a police officer and that took a while in itself because

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I'm not overly trusting of authority.

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But this person said, I'm a third generation cop and very honest.

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If there's anything I can do, I'll look into your case.

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I'll help you out.

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And he came back and said, I'm really sorry, but corruption's that high up.

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I'm so disgusted.

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I'm leaving.

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And that's in little Perth, WA.

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Have you been able to find anyone who's gone through the same sort of thing that you've

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gone through in a similar situation?

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That people can support you with this?

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You know, like maybe there was more of you females as well.

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I mean, obviously there wasn't just you.

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Absolutely.

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And I've seen other people that have been drugged and passed out being raped.

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So I know it's definitely not me.

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I haven't met anyone in WA.

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The closest I've come is speaking to a lady that was in America.

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I don't know that it was happening through the same group of people, but she was the

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victim of human trafficking.

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Wow.

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That's just a very sad, sad story.

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I'm so sorry you went through that.

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My heart goes out to you because...

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And the fact that you haven't got any justice and you don't know the full story makes it

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even more difficult to accept, I think.

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And to move on.

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It's hard to move on when you don't really know what happened.

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There's so many questions you must have.

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It is.

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But I also think that there are two...

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I'm not convinced that it's the one group of people that it was happening through.

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And the reason I say that is that when I was being drugged, the feeling would be different.

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So I feel like I was being drugged with different substances.

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So in that case, it would be different groups of people using different forms of drugs.

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Look, maybe it's not.

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I don't...

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And this is it.

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That's just your opinion.

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I just don't know.

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But that's how it felt.

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Like the...

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Yeah.

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Sometimes you would feel a little bit clearer in the head and then there were other times

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that you were just so, you know, off your face that you really didn't know whether you

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were coming or going.

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So how did you...

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Can I ask how you got out of it?

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What was the end of that story?

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How did you escape?

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I think it was simply that I have believed in the power of the pen and kept writing to

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different people.

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I've written to lawyers.

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I've written to politicians in Perth WA.

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I've also written to lawyers overseas, prime ministers, presidents overseas.

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And...

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Well, sorry.

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Let me change that up.

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You can... what I meant was when you were trafficked, how did you get out of that situation

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and get home?

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No, I don't know.

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Like literally, I would...

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You just ended up back on the street.

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I would go to bed, go to sleep.

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I would wake up somewhere else and then I would be drunk and then I would wake up in

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my home, in my car, in my bed.

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Yeah.

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Oh, I see.

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Wow.

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So...

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And I think...

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It's part of why I've never been able to get justice is because I don't have that...

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I've never seen...

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Only on one occasion have I ever seen someone that was...

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So clearly you've had to have moved because you'd hoped for the process to happen all

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over again.

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Can you hear Lorenzo?

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I can't hear him very well.

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Okay.

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So what he's saying was that because of all this happening at a particular time in your

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life, you would be... you'd definitely move from that area.

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For example, if you were in a home that was happening particularly in this place, if you

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moved to another home, was it still happening?

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Well, I was... over the space of the last 12 years, I think I've moved about five times

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or more.

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And it's been happening still?

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So yeah, I was initially in Atwell and then I've moved to Hamilton Hill.

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I moved over to Melbourne and was over in Melbourne for a few months.

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Yeah, you don't really need to feel it's working.

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Obviously, if anyone's listening, we don't want them to know where you are near either.

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No, no, no.

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Yeah, so it has actually moved with you?

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So it has, yeah.

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And I even at one point got a detective to look for like listening bugs in my house,

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which they found.

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That did.

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We're good, actually, yeah.

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I can't believe that.

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That's almost a movie that you'd see on a Netflix channel.

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It's just absolutely amazing and sad and not amazing good, amazing and terrible.

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Yeah, it's just...

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I don't know how you survive on a day-to-day basis.

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I really don't.

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So you've got a lot of support now.

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You've got a lot of support as in counselling, all that sort of thing.

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Not a huge amount.

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It's still, I think it's always going to be sort of looking at ways, you know, you can

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continue to build that support network.

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Yeah.

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It's trust, isn't it?

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And it is.

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It really is.

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And especially when there have been impersonators and someone that was quite well known in the

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film industry who I was an acquaintance with and they had rocked up at my door and I let

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them in.

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And next thing I woke up with, and sort of like in-air quotation marks, their penis in

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my mouth.

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However, when I then spoke to a mutual friend and said, look, is this person even in Australia

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because something just felt off?

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And they contacted and said, look, I'm really sorry.

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Like I don't think so, but let me check.

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And came back and said, they haven't even been in Australia for the last three months.

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So then how do you meet a partner or trust people when you never know if the person in

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front of you is legitimately them?

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Can I ask, are you in a relationship now?

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No.

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No, I'm not surprised.

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I would like to meet someone, but I just feel like it's incredibly difficult when you just

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don't know if you can trust that person.

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Just in regards to support groups, I'm not sure if you can hear me, still not.

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I think now even refugees, have you been contacting any of those?

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I don't know how to say which ones, but have you been out to support?

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I didn't hear the name of the group, but there is one.

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No, we're not.

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We weren't going to talk about actually names of groups.

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We wanted to make sure or ask if you were involved in any of that type of thing.

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So over the last 12 years, I really haven't been.

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It was only through doing this podcast that it came about that a lady said, oh, I know

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a person that has a support group for victims of human trafficking.

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So it's only really recently that I've been in contact and she had recommended that I

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look it up.

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Because I have a lived experience, they said that if you, obviously you've got to meet

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certain qualifications, but would there be an interest of working for the company?

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And have you gone with that?

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That's literally, I've just got the information.

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So this is sort of all happened in the last week.

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Good, good.

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I think that would help.

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I'm really told.

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Obviously you've got a lot of information there to support others in that situation.

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And unfortunately it is something that is happening out there.

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We can't close our eyes to it and there is to it because it does actually happen.

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And yes, it does happen in Australia.

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I really appreciate you coming along and being very courageous with your story.

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It's probably the saddest one I've ever heard, to be honest.

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More than anything, and even though I'm not coming across that way at the moment, I am

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incredibly angry.

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There's so much rage there that the person or persons that are responsible are not being

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held accountable.

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And other than sort of telling bits and pieces of my story, I don't know how to get that

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message out there.

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Is there anything, sort of last words that you would say to women to try and alleviate

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this happening to them?

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Although it's quite random anyway, isn't it?

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Something you weren't aware it was ever going to happen.

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Was there any red flags anywhere?

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None.

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It was very random, was it?

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I think it was just build your support systems.

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People know you well enough that if you don't show up for something, then try and find out

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answers and if they can't get in contact with you, call the police.

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But then, I don't even know if that's a reasonable thing to say, given that police haven't been

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in your system.

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The first thing we do with anything illegal happens is the first thing we're told to do

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is run the police, aren't we?

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I mean, that's how we're brought up.

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Absolutely.

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If there's something that has happened to you that you have no respect or confidence

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in the police actually helping you out, then where do you go?

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No.

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Really?

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Did you have any family that could help you out in these times?

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No.

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That was what made me so vulnerable was because I didn't have family.

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My mum had passed away.

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Maybe they knew that.

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My grandparents had passed away and I had a young daughter at the time.

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It sounds like they've picked you out because you're vulnerable or you were vulnerable

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at the time.

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You're an easy target.

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That's my opinion, of course.

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I don't know what happened, but that's how it sounds to me.

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I'm going to leave it there, Quinn.

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I'm absolutely shocked in your story and my heart goes out to you and full respect for

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you bringing the story to us today.

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I wish I could give you a hug because if you were here, I would give you a massive hug.

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Thank you.

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I'm sending you a hug now and Lorenzo's sending you a big hug.

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Please keep in contact with me because we both do a similar thing on radio.

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My radio is all about mental health.

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If you've got people that you have into your radio, maybe I could borrow them and vice

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versa.

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Lovely.

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That sounds great.

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It sounds really good.

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Have an amazing day and my heart goes out to you.

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As you say, keep happy.

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Find ways to keep you happy and once the app's out there, you let me know.

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Thank you.

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I'm going to put on my happiness toolkit.

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It will be launching soon.

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I'll post you all the links.

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Absolutely brilliant.

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Fantastic.

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Please do.

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Please do.

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You take care.

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Thank you very much.

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I'm going to put on a bit of a happy song now and have a great day.

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Thank you again.

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Thanks for having me.

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Thanks.

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Your edited.