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Hi and welcome to the Interior Design Podcast. Our guest today is Lewis Pullen from Grohe.

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He's a good friend and he's really knowledgeable about the subject cradle to cradle. Now cradle

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to cradle is all about the circular economy. It's all about recycling to manufacturing

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to enabling recycling again and making it easy. Lewis is going to go into much more

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depth about it during the show and we're really excited to bring you on board. We hope you

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enjoy.

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Welcome to episode two of the Interior Design Podcast and today our guest is Lewis.

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Always a pleasure, never a chore. Thanks for having me.

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The one and only.

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Thank you. My answer to anything, especially for these two, my favourite interior designers.

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Yeah, you say that to all the interior designers.

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Thank you for such a warm welcome. Do you have a jingle for this podcast? Because you

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know the best podcasts do have a little jingle at the beginning. So I don't know whether

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you guys have thought about that.

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Yeah.

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Jingle.

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There you go Lewis, just for you. We played the jingle again.

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You girls, you girls. I'd also like to say this is my second podcast of the week, Saving

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the Best Till Last.

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Why? What? Why don't we be the first?

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Because as I just said, I like to save the best till last and it's Friday, we have doughnuts

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in front of us. So I'd much rather spend this podcast with yourselves on a Friday rather

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than a healthy living podcast that I did last Wednesday.

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Healthy living?

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Yeah, believe it or not, healthy living.

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You did a podcast about healthy living.

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On the way home, I actually did stop off for a kebab on the way home.

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And this is coming from the guy that last night got back at half one in the morning

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or whatever it was on a Thursday, on a school night. On a school night.

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I can be professional. Thanks girls for telling the world that. But yeah, big shout out to

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actually Master Kebabs in Chatham.

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I thought you were going to shout out the podcast.

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Oh and the podcast.

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Shout out to my favourite kebab shop.

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Honestly, to all the local paths that hang outside the kebab shop, that's the posh chavs.

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You know, rather than the working class chavs outside McDonald's. But shout out to you guys

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too. But yeah, so.

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So what are you going to speak to us about today?

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Well we can talk about food if you like. I mean, I think it's, I mean your podcast I

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guess is about educating interior designers. So we will touch on that for an aspect of

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today's podcast. So we'll talk about sustainability, but not necessarily to greenwash, which I

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think a lot of people do. We'll talk about an aspect of sustainability, cradle to cradle.

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Which I guess is a bit of a buzzword out there at the moment. Cradle to cradle as it should

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be. People should be talking about it. What does it mean to you girls? Do people talk

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about cradle to cradle? Do different manufacturers ever mention it to you? How important is it

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to you too?

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I've been speaking to some flooring companies about cradle to cradle recently and actually

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it's a really, really good way of knowing that something is sustainable. Because there's

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loads of different ways of being sustainable, but there's actually not that many people

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who are getting qualified. But at the same time, it doesn't mean that the people who

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haven't got cradle to cradle certification, is it certification? Is that the right expression?

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There's different certifications. You have, there's a scheme where you have a bronze,

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a silver, a gold and a platinum certification. So essentially it's to keep driving to improving

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your sustainability, to improving your cradle to cradle. At the moment we are gold certification

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I must say. I work for a company called Growr. I don't know if I mentioned that earlier.

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Not going to Growrise people over this podcast, but I do work for Growr and we are currently

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leading the market in cradle to cradle, being the only manufacturer in the industry with

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gold certification.

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Oh wow.

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I don't know why I struggled with that word, but gold certification.

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So Lewis, obviously because this podcast is about reaching an audience that's not just

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from a professional, in a professional capacity, we're trying to make sure that this is accessible

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to everyone. Just briefly explain the concept of cradle to cradle to them.

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Oh, okay. So I would say people, a lot of people have heard of the term cradle to grave.

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So it's a little bit of a play on words to cradle to grave. So when you think about cradle

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to cradle, you need to think about the circular economy that would be in our, in sort of our

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manufacturing in Germany would be manufacturing of a tap, a shower or a thermostat, whatever

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that may be. Once we've manufactured it, we send it out to the customer. It's transported

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to the site, whether it be hotels or high end residential projects after 10 years or

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whenever the refurb is coming about for that hotel, we would then take the product back.

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They would, it was the end of its life cycle. So rather than throwing that product away,

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and I must actually point out that 50% of the world's waste comes from the construction

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industry. So we all have people that are in that industry, myself, you two girls and everybody

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else.

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Anyone, anyone.

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We're all responsible.

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We're all responsible. So we all need to think about this, bear it in mind that it should,

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it should have been done before, but it's like, you know, it's quite a slow process,

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I feel at the moment, which is why I wanted to touch on it today. But anyway, just to

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bring that back. So once we, at the end of its cycle on site, we would then transport

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it back to, back to our manufacturing plant. We'll then put it back into the mix and we'll

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make sure every part of that tap is fully recyclable as well. Put it back into the mix

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and then I don't want to say spit it back out, but we then manufacture it again, I guess,

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and send it straight back out to site. So it's that whole circular economy. So it's

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basically fully recycling the product essentially.

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So I don't know how you, how you feel about that, whether you think that's a thing of

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the future. I mean, I mean, a window into the future for us would be also be 3D printing,

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which I can go on and chat about 3D printing forever. So I'm not going to do that today,

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but one day the future is, the future is emailing taps.

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Rather than saving on transportation costs. That's just insane. That's not going to be

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our lifetime. I mean, definitely not my lifetime. I don't see myself living to an older wrinkly

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age personally.

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Why is that? It's just like the healthy lifestyle podcast. What are you talking about?

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And I've literally just literally got off the train straight to you girls with about

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three hours sleep as well. So that also doesn't help. But you know, stranger things have happened.

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Maybe we'll be older wrinkly together one day.

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Still doing the podcast.

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I'm sure it will still be going by then.

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I think it's really important that people are aware of it. I think, you know, in answer

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to your question about how we feel about it, I think that it's been a long time coming

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and it's just taken the world that we live in now and the way that the world is and the,

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you know, the amount that we've kind of fucked up over the last hundred years. I think it's

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just yeah, it's I think it's a really positive thing. But people just need to get on board

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with it. I think that's the thing, isn't it?

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I mean, the best way to do that is podcast like this. Really, that's how we're going

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to sort of, you know, get people talking about it. You know, it's all about education, which

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is why I'm touching on today. It works with because you're looking to educate interior

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designers and people might think, you know what, let's specify grower and their cradles

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cradle range. You know, so it's not that.

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Yeah, but jokes aside, I think the rest of the world manufacturers, we want them to catch

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up. We want them to actually, you know, we have to do this. We have to start thinking

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about it now. So yeah, it's going to be interesting the next few years. We're developing new products

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and at the moment we actually have only got a certain amount of products with our cradles

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cradle range, basically testing the waters really to see if it works, which I'm sure

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it will and it will increase. So the products we have are our most popular products. So

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we want to touch as many projects as possible. Hence why we chose those products. Essentially,

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what we're going to be doing in the next few years is to develop more products, more

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looking at hospitality. So I feel our products at the moment are more catered towards residential

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in the cradles cradle range. But we'll be looking at more hospitality products. So getting

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all the Hilton hotels, Marriott hotels on board as well with this new concept. But yeah,

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I think one of the things that is really important from our perspective as designers, if we're,

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so I'm a designer project manager. So if I'm project managing something, I think it's really

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important that I discuss the disposal of the existing furniture, interior, strip out waste.

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How is that disposed of? Because I think there's an awful lot of people who just go, Oh, there's

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a whole office there full of office furniture. Let's just chuck it in the bin. Or, you know,

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and it's not, it's not necessarily worth anything. But actually when I, so I've stripped out

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a few restaurants and taken the furniture away. Sorry, you stripped out a few restaurants?

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Sorry, did I? It was a late night. I just want to make sure I heard that correctly.

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Past life. Don't tell everyone. Secrets out now. Oh dear. But I stripped out the restaurant,

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brought it back to the warehouse and I've sold it all on Facebook marketplace, made

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a few quid. At the moment I'm selling off some chairs for a pound because they're in

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such a state. I have seen you clogging up my feed actually on marketplace. Yeah, but. What's

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Hayley selling now? I think I got outbid for a chair actually the other day. So, you know,

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it didn't go down too well, but I'll keep my eyes on there. So I'm actually getting

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married this year, so I'm looking for new bits for my wedding. And I think you put on

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there a few wedding bits as well. If I remember right. Okay. I'll come to the warehouse. Okay.

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Good. Good. We'll see. Have a little look as I'm up here. But yeah, I think it's, I

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think that kind of behavior is really important. It is, it is about kind of you to, there's

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a lot of companies out there that will refurbish furniture. So rather than putting a whole

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lot of office chairs and tables into landfill, it needs to go to those companies that recycle.

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Yeah. Aim for a world without waste. Essentially. That's what we need to do. And it's so hard

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though, because we live in without going into a full on rant about it. The world we live

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in, we literally live in this throw away. Everyone lives in this throw away society.

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It's got to change. I'll buy it. Oh, it's broken. Yeah. Just buy another one. I'll get

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Amazon to deliver it tomorrow. Like it just, it blows my mind a little bit. I think the

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other thing is the way that things are manufactured. So things should be manufactured to last.

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And I think there's a north, there's an awful lot. We moved away from that though. Didn't

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we? We were there and then it's, you know, and, and it's just, hopefully it's going full

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circle. There's, there's companies out there though, that do manufacture furniture and,

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and all of the interior fit out. So it can be reused. Like, you know, flooring doesn't

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have to be glued down and you know, furniture can be made, so it can be unscrewed and reupholstered.

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So it's strong enough to last the test of time. Yeah. And that's all about us all having

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the responsibility together. Manufacturers, huge responsibility for getting their products

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correct and using the resources that they're using. Where are they getting those resources

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from? You know, that's all vitally important. Not just the consumer, but we're all in this

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together. How do you though, the difficulty I think comes though, when as a designer,

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if you've got that information and you're passionate about it and you see the value

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in it, massively see the value in it, ultimately the client decides there's an element of,

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I could put a product in front of a client that is cradle to cradle certified and I could

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sell it and sing about it until the cows come home. But ultimately, how do we educate the,

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you know, the general public that actually you, this is something that we should all

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be. Do you know what I mean? Another element to this is that not everybody has got a certification,

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but it doesn't necessarily mean that their product isn't recyclable and recycled. People

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are doing it anyway. And, but they're not. So actually this cradle to cradle certification

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I think should be almost legislation. Everyone needs to do that with a product. But do you

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know what I mean? I think everyone needs to do it. So everyone knows, a bit like calories

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on McDonald's food. Everyone's very educated and everyone's very aware of what they're

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doing. Where at the moment you've got some people who are certified, some people who

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aren't. And actually the ones who are certified are leading the way, but the ones who aren't,

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some people are too small or they can't afford it or whatever, or they just haven't got the

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inclination to do it because they don't need to.

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to run it in nine seconds flat first time round are you? You're going to take, for me,

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I'm going to take about 17 or 18 seconds to run that. So it's all like, and it's like

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you're working up to it. You're working up to that, that finish line really, which is,

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you know, an improvement. But again, it's, I'm just throwing it back to you a little

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bit in terms of, is it, should you just be recommending certain products to your customers?

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Because you said, obviously, essentially the customers have the last say, but when you

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say the last say, should they have the last say on a certain product or your range?

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Yeah, range of products that you're offering.

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Or, I mean, but you know, this whole thing, as I say, is about education, it's about everyone,

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it's about that end user as well. Do you have a responsibility to, for certain products

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that you're pushing, do you feel, or is it your responsibility? Is it not? It's a bit

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of a, yeah.

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Definitely is our responsibility. A hundred percent. And I think there's certain clients

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who are, who will be, oh no, I want this. But generally people come to you as an interior

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designer because they don't want to do it and they, or they haven't got time to do it.

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I'm just conscious about, God, I feel like I'm playing devil's advocate here that I'm

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just like poking. Like, well yeah, but what about this?

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Poke the bear.

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I, you know, I just feel like there's, ultimately we all work to budget. You know, the clients

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work into a budget, we're working to a budget. And I hate to say it, but we do, you know,

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the majority of clients, they have a budget that they're working to and they'll be saying,

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if I've got a product from grower that's cradle to cradle certified, for example, a tap, for

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example, and it costs X amount because naturally grower have put investment into creating it,

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into creating that cycle.

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A certain quality as well.

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So therefore the product might be slightly more expensive.

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In which case it's like, you know, are they, do they see the value in the extra cost on

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that? Especially if the rest of the project, the other elements within that project aren't

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cradle to cradle. Cause at that point they're saying, well, I've got 15 taps in this project

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that are cradle to cradle certified, but the rest of the, the rest of the elements of that

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design maybe aren't so. So it's like a small drop in the ocean.

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10% more expensive than the standard tap. So it is a little bit more expensive. So that

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does come into, you know, cause the value-

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Not disproportionately. And in terms of bringing the product back from Cyclo, a lot of people

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ask me who pays for the cost? Who pays for bringing that product back from that hotel

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on back to sort of Germany to ourselves? The honest answer is we're, we're working on that.

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cradle. It's a new product for us. So we've actually got another sort of eight, nine years

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to think about ways that we can best sort of, you know, best do this whole the cradle

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to cradle really. So essentially it will probably be us sort of paying for that product or it

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will corporate in the price, which then is a bit, you know, kind of goes with what you're

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saying. It might be a little bit more expensive because you have to put that in the cost of

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bringing the product back as well. So there is that. And I guess in the world that we're

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in, in the construction industry towards the end of a project, value engineering comes

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in and one of the first things that is value engineered are the fixtures. The last things

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that go into the project. So that is, it is an issue and it's about, I guess, thinking

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how to tackle that.

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I think it's a massive task, isn't it? For to reeducate the world and you know, and the

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stat that you mentioned earlier about the kind of construction industry, massive waste.

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project manager to almost make sure that they have that built into the cost because the

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biggest part of the project is going to be the construction. When you get to interior

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design stage, yes, this is, that's where it all gets the fun stage that you do.

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because that's the bit that makes people feel and want to be in that space. And that is

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often the stuff that gets value engineered and that's the bit that we control. And as

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a project manager, I always kind of try and make sure that that doesn't get cut. But the

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last few years have just completely screwed us on that because everything's gone up. So

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you might have been able to afford a cradle to cradle tap three years ago, but now the

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costs have gone up. You've still got the same budget as you had three years ago and it's

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the projects only coming to fruition. Yeah. Nice. True. This is, this is nice being here.

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It feels quite professional because we're usually in a bar putting the world to rights

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and I feel that, you know, kind of doing it in this manner.

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This is a bit serious, isn't it? Very, very professional.

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I've never had such a more intense, we've had a lot of intense conversations. I thought

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you were going to say intelligent then. Well, I mean, I wouldn't go that far. I mean, I

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mean, yeah, intelligent, you know, so it's, this is probably the most intelligent conversation

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we've ever had actually, to be fair. So it's, yeah, I'm seeing a whole new Haley and a

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whole new, a whole new firecracker Cheryl. Yeah. I think we know what we're talking about.

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I think so. Yeah, sometimes. Yeah, we can work on that. But yeah, no. So, I mean, just

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to rewind, as Craig David once said, is it just, I mean, obviously I'm speaking about

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this all the time when I go into meetings with architects and designers, feel like I'm

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a bit, I don't know, I'm not sort of boring people. It feels a bit of a, a wheel that

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I'm going around just talking and talking about. But do other people come in and like,

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you know, carpet companies, tile companies, do they come in and talk to you about this?

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I mean, are they, or, or, or is this? When they're certified, yeah. Oh, okay. It's, it's

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more of a USP for the company. Yeah. Rather, okay. That kind of makes sense, but also we

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all need to be talking about it because of the, the impact that we're having. I think

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one of the things we can do as designers is to always ask, do you have a certification

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for cradle to cradle? What is the certification? And then if, if people always ask, the suppliers

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will then catch on that all that we need to do this. You still work for them, but at least

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you're talking about it. I think that naturally it's just, it's a natural evolution of, you

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know, suppliers that have come in, you know, years ago and it was very much a conversation

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that we were having about sustainability. When sustainability is very much a kind of

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the buzzword, okay, well let's talk about how, how the company is sustainable and the

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products are sustainable. Then it's kind of moved onto the whole product life cycle of

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so cradle to grave, how it's then disposed of what happens to it after that. And then

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we've kind of, we've also been, we've heard a lot about being carbon neutral as a manufacturer,

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as a supplier. So I think it will be good to hear more people talking about this concept

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of cradle to cradle and how product can be completely sustainable in that, in that way.

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Yeah. Speaking of, talking about it, if anyone out there would like any light reading on

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the matter, yeah, I mean, I've got, I've not got any shares in this book. I must point

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out it's just, um, uh, professor Michael Braunhardt was the, was the pioneer of cradle to cradle

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and he actually does have his own book, which is available as an international bestseller

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on Amazon. I think it's around sort of 7 99. Um, I actually have one with me today that

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my dog's half chewed, but it's, um, exactly. And it's actually a signed copy as well. Exactly.

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Exactly. So it's the whole, um, circular economy with a dog eats it and then, um, and then,

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uh, yeah, let's not go there. Let's go. That's a, that's a story for another day, but, um,

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all jokes aside, um, I thought, do you know what? Cradle to cradle. Okay. It's my work

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life. Um, you want to switch off sometimes when you get home from work. Do I want to

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be reading this at late at night or round, around the pool when I'm on holiday? And I'm

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not even, I'm not just saying this. I actually did bring it with me recently and I did read

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it round the pool and I'm joking. It's actually really interesting and well written. It's

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not boring. It's really sort of thought provoking. Um, and yeah, I really enjoyed the book to

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be honest with you. So I'd highly recommend it. Michael, if you hear this podcast, then

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I would accept any, uh, we'll see how your sales get on today. I'm off the back of this

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podcast. Yeah. So that's Michael Braunhardt. Yeah. Cradle to cradle. So we making the way

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we make things. Yeah. So I actually met professor Michael Braunhardt at last year's Clark and

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well design week. So he came in and did a talk in the Mozart showroom, which RIP are

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no longer in the UK market. Moses. Sorry about that. So it's a no. And so it's still around,

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but fortunately not in the UK. Um, so yeah, such an empty showroom at the moment. I don't

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know why I'm talking about Moses, but, um, but yeah, um, as you can see, I do go off

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on tangents every now and then, but it wouldn't be me otherwise. Um, but, um, he came in and

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did a talk on quotes cradle. And it was so funny actually, when I was, I think, where

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was I initially, I think I was having a drink somewhere in one of the pubs in Clark and

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well, and this guy walked past the window. And if you can imagine what a professor would

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look like, it was like oversized suit, straggly hair, these massive glasses. I'm like, I bet

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that's Michael Braunhardt. I never seen any pictures of him or anything like that before.

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And then, then I saw him about two hours later when we was in the showroom, getting ready,

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all the seats ready for the talk. And he wandered in and I was like, I just knew it was that

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guy. I knew it was him. So yeah, if you ever see him, you know, you know who he is now.

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Say hi. I mean, yeah, he's a, he's a great guy and it was a very interesting man, very

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quirky, um, a bit crude sometimes as well. But I think that was, he did it in the right

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sort of fun way. And it was, um, a few eyebrows were raised, but it was a, quite a fun speech.

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So get, if you're interested in Cradle to Cradle, have a look at the Cradle to Cradle

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book. It's a very short read. It's not like a huge doorstop. I think it's a couple of

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hundred pages. So have a little read, let us know how you felt about it. And it's really

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opened my mind as I hope it will open yours.

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So as you can tell, we're back in the room. You can tell we were just on a break there,

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um, looking at each other, who's going to speak first. Um, so I feel like, face full

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of donuts. Yeah. So in the break, we spoke about, I didn't, I've got, I've got, um,

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yeah, our latest and greatest tap out. I brought my, my largest one for the girls to, uh, to

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see, which Cheryl was currently talking into. It's not the mic. She's currently talking

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into our large atrio tap. Yeah. Wouldn't be the first time with it. Revelations. I'm not

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going to comment. Oh dear. Oh dear. Oh dear. Oh dear. Um, so I hope you enjoyed, um, why

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am I pretending to be a host? Yeah. Okay. So I hope you enjoyed the first section. This

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is our show. Leave us alone. Yeah. Lewis has very kindly discussed cradle to cradle with

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us. Um, but he's got a whole lot of other things that he would really like to educate

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our listeners on. And we'd really like to hear from you as to what you would like to

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hear. So Lewis, what are your, just call me Jack subject Jack of all trades. So we have

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four subjects areas that we have Reba approved CPDs. Um, one of them, surprise, surprise

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is craigs cradle. We've already mentioned this morning. Um, we have another, my second

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favorite, um, CPD that we deliver a grower is our 3d printing CPD, which is, um, essentially

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a window into the future. I would say that's how I would describe it. Um, it really sort

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of shows what we can do in the world of manufacturing. Uh huh. We do components within the task.

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I've definitely mentioned this to Cheryl before, but, um, which obviously forgotten. Yeah.

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Um, it's basically, no, I wouldn't suggest for a second you would switch off when I'm

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talking. Um, so yeah, we have, um, a few standard, uh, well not standard there far from standard

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products. Um, we have a three, we have the icon 3d, there's a few taps that we do with

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3d prints basically on these two huge machines in Dusseldorf. Um, they're the only machines

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that produce sort of the 3d taps at the moment. So it's very, very early stages. We produce

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one a day. So as you can imagine, it's not the most, um, cost friendly products. So it's,

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um, yeah, but we essentially want to, um, show people what we can do and be able to

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one day email taps, which will be a thing of the future. Um, saving on transportation

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costs, sustainability, tick, tick, tick, all the boxes. Um, and it looks pretty cool. So

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if anyone's been to Norway, um, there's an underwater half submerged restaurant in Norway

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where we have our 3d tap and a lot of people actually go there to see the tap. So they

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do, I mean, it's great food as well. And obviously, you know, Norway isn't the cheapest place

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to go probably to eat, especially at this restaurant, but it's worth going in there,

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having a meal, looking at how this works. It's pretty cool. It's almost like when you

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walk past the tap, it turns almost invisible, not completely obviously, but it's just, just

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how it's sort of like manufactured.

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So um, yeah, just a quick short break there while I'm playing with my balls. Um, those

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are balls that Hayley's given me. They're stress balls. They're not, yeah. Um, not my

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actual balls, not my actual testicles. Um, so yeah, I mean, we're just talking about

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the underwater hotel in Norway and our 3d taps. Um, you sort of have to see it to believe

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it. I think it's probably the wrong thing for a podcast, but what we can do is a CPD

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in our 3d taps and I can bring them along, show you the, um, the 3d taps. Um, even a

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pretty good question. I can bring them in, we can describe, we can describe them. Um,

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yeah. And if anybody's interested, we can then do a zoom call or something where you

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can see them and I can show you how they disappear and show you a few magic tricks at the same

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time. Well, I have a few tricks up my sleeve, must say, but it's, uh, it always goes to

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the same place with you. That's why we get on so well. Exactly the reason. Anyway, anyway,

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moving on. So that's one CPD. Yeah. So moving on from our spooky taps, um, that's 3d printing.

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We have, um, another CPD in water saving, which is a, again, a Reba approved CPD for

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everybody's looking for Reba points. Um, so water saving is essential at the moment. It's

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always in the news. Drought, droughts are a problem. Host pipe bands are going to be

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coming more and more frequent, especially in the south of England. And we, London is

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one of the biggest cities. London is one of the most likely cities in the next 10 years

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to run out of water. So it's all about how do we sort of recycle water and things like

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that really. Um, so that's why I hear something once where this is might be quite irrelevant

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where in London, if you drink the tap water, it's been through nine people. I delivered

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a water saving CPD at Harp design about a year or so ago. And what's great about it

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is Haley's staff was obviously educator. I told her about my CPD because I mentioned

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this to, to a few, to a few of the girls. So she's totally just stolen your material.

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Just completely stolen it. I mean, yeah. Is there any point in me being here? Yeah, you

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did hear that Haley. You heard that right. It came out of my mouth. Literally came out

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of the horse's mouth, the horse sitting between you two. Yeah. Um, but yeah, so it's, it's,

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it's been through at least 10 sets of kidneys. Um, basically. So you're drinking water that

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you may be drinking water that I've drank. How disgusting is that? Um, and you're drinking

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essentially my way because it's, there's not enough to go around. So it's kind of like,

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you know, it's just, it's just, again, it's like a circular economy in sort of the water

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industry. So it's, um, yeah. So water saving is huge and we have products to maximize performance

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with only using a small amount of water. So it's all about how can you minimize the water

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usage and keep that performance at a high level. So there's ways that we can do that

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at Growr, whether that be regulators or restrictors that we implement into our products. So essentially

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making the product as sustainable as you need. If you need a certain water flow, a water

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rate, we can make that happen with products that we put into our taps. So that's kind

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of where we would talk a little bit about that. Talk about other things in general with

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water saving, but it's a really interesting, quite a fun CPD interactive. The one I did

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here with you girls before everyone got involved. We had a giggle, lots of funny things. And

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so I would highly recommend that one, especially because I like talking about it and I've done

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it more than a million times before. So yeah. Um, the other one, um, that we do is what

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one haven't I mentioned? It's not my favorite. I'm not going to lie. It's the hygiene CPD.

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I see, I can feel them both rolling my eyes. They're right next to me, but they're not

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actually, you know, cause obviously that is an important thing in the industry. So it's,

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um, I mean, it was quite prevalent during COVID-19. So that was, I guess the time that

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we were delivering that more to architects and interior designers, um, during that phase.

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But at the moment, I don't really get many inquiries for the hygiene CPD, but if there's

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anyone out there that wants to learn how to wash their hands, then, um, let us know.

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Happy birthday thing. Don't we do the Boris happy birthday song?

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Oh God. What the hell was that?

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Let's not.

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Happy birthday song. Was that water saving or hygiene?

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You had to sing happy birthday twice, wasn't it? That they said on the news.

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You're asking the wrong person.

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Well, because you'd never wash your hands. Is that why? Cause you're very unhygienic.

395
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No, we won't go there.

396
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There is definitely something there though. There's something there. Don't know what that

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may be, but we'll get it out of her. Don't worry about that.

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Was that all of the subjects or was it another?

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So 3d printing. I've mentioned clothes cradle, water saving and hygiene. So that's essentially

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the four CPD. So I don't know whether you want to, I don't know. Is there anyone out

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there that would be interested in me waffling on for a little while about CPD? So happy

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to come back if you'll have me.

403
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Okay. So let us know.

404
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Yeah. Let's hear what the listeners think, what they, uh, you know, what they want to

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learn about, what they want to know.

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And if there's any other subjects that you want to learn about, let us know. We'll get

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a guest in or we'll teach you what we know.

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If you're sick and tired of my voice, there's other colleagues of mine that also can run

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the CPD. So, um, don't be afraid to say I'm sick of his voice and we'll get someone else

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in.

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It's as if, come on.

412
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I mean, I'm staring at a big black tap in my face, which is a something.

413
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Why did you look at me?

414
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I don't know. I don't know. It just, it just, I could feel you looking at me.

415
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It's a lovely black tap.

416
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Yeah. As far as black tap, big black taps go, it's not too bad, is it?

417
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It's a nice tap.

418
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Yeah.

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See a lot of people don't like us specifying black because they think that they don't clean

420
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up very nice.

421
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Funny you should say that. Um, El knew basically-

422
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That was not staged.

423
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Believe it or not. Um, so in the past, Grower have never done matte black products until

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a few weeks ago, really, a couple of months ago. Reason being we work a lot in hospitality

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and we don't want to put our name to a product that isn't, you know, isn't going to suit

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the job because matte black products are essentially powder coated products. Um, you know, problems

427
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with the chipping, the washing. And as Hayley just alluded to, it's the same questions we

428
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get from designers. It's still quite sort of popular matte black products, but it's,

429
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you know, it's about how they're manufactured. So we have a new version of the matte black

430
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tap where we manufacture in a different way to what is out there on the market. So it's

431
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a three coated lacquer product, which basically is as durable as our electric pater products.

432
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We've had the guys in the office with keys and all sorts trying to chip away at these

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taps and I can tell you one of them is facing me right now and it's a lift to serve another

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day. So, um, if you guys are manufacturing or if you have matte black products in your

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mood boards and you're looking for, um, not just taps, um, we have the accessories and

436
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showers, et cetera, et cetera. Let's have a chat and, um, talk to you about the manufacturing

437
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of it. And it's, uh, yeah, it's a fresh off the, um, what's the term fresh off the press,

438
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the press, fresh off the press. But yeah, it's, um, yeah, is there any really exciting

439
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things? What's new in the world of grower? That's like, that's not maybe, have you got

440
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anything like this bubbling? That's not, um, I guess I'm silk movie is something that's

441
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relatively new silk move. So basically our taps, if you can imagine a normal basin mixer,

442
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I could hear you all imagining a basin mixer now. So the center, so a basin mixer, you

443
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can go left for cold and you can go right for hot. Okay. That's how they normally work.

444
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We have put something in our taps where in the central position, it's just cold because

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most people only need cold water. You're brushing your teeth, cold water, washing your hands.

446
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When you don't often need hot water. So why have the thermostat kicking in straight away

447
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when you lift the product in the central position? So that saves 60% energy compared to a normal

448
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tap because you don't need the thermostat kicking in. So having the thought of you actually

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need to physically move it to be hot. It's saved so much energy, especially with the

450
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energy prices now as well. So that's something that's a bit of a USP. Quite a, quite a cool

451
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thing having on our taps. What's it called? Silk. Silk move. Silky and smooth. Just like,

452
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yeah. Where did you go there? I thought, you know, we had it far more. You didn't finish

453
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it though, did you? I didn't want to go too far. I was like, too scared. No, yeah, I couldn't

454
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quite do it. I nearly did, but I didn't. Didn't want to go there. You can use your imaginations,

455
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I'm sure. But yeah, so that's essentially, the other thing I guess that would be new

456
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with ourselves would be we have a new sub brand we've launched recently, which I'm sort

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of heading in the UK, which is Grower Spa. So Spa is dedicated or focused on the A&D

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market, which is products with high end products. When you say A&D, can you just explain what

459
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that means? I can't say that. Louis, be sensible. Architects and designers. So architects and

460
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designers out there, this is focused towards yourselves. We have a new collection, which

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is called the Private Collection, where you can fully personalise and customise your own

462
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taps, your own experience. So we've partnered with a company called Caesarstone, who I'm

463
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sure you guys have heard of. Great product, very durable, non-porous products. Can you

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just explain to those who don't know what Caesarstone is? Caesarstone is essentially,

465
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I guess, work tops. It's stone products. I think they use porcelain as well. Natural

466
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stone marble products for work tops. Floors, I guess, as well. Public spaces. Really good

467
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market leaders as well, like ourselves. So it's a natural collaboration. So they essentially

468
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make our handles on our private collection using their vanilla noir and their white

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Attica product range. So we're starting with those two products. We can go, obviously,

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somewhere with this in the future in terms of using more of the products. And they're

471
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just customisable taps? Customisable. They're not bespoke, are they? Bespoke, yeah. Well,

472
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essentially. Completely bespoke. OK, so it's using some of our previous range. So you see

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the tap you've got in front of you there. So it would come without the handles. You

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can have any colour that you'd like. Can you describe the tap that you've got there because

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people can't actually see this? I would say it's long and bendy. So it's a mixer tap?

476
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It's a mixer tap with a long neck. If you can imagine a swan, it looks a bit like a

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swan neck. And it has two handles, either side crosshead handles. It comes in a standard

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handle or a crosshead so you can sort of touch and feel either side of the tap. But you can

479
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see, yeah, so the idea, I've got so many thoughts and funny things running through my head.

480
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So basically, when you're on site, you can actually add the Caesarstone personalised

481
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parts of the tap, which is the handle section. I'm going to have to show you some pictures

482
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because again, it's something that is hard to describe until you're like, what? Is it

483
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all on the Grower website? Let's put a link in the bio. www.growerspa.com is our new website

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for this particular grower sub-brand. So I would say have a look at it. It's a work in

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progress, the website still. It is live. But yeah, have a look. We'll put a link on the

486
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show notes for you. That'd be good. But yeah, this is fun. So if anyone wants to get in

487
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:16,600
touch with you, Lewis, how can we get in touch with you? Well, you can just WhatsApp me,

488
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:23,320
holler, call me, whatever. Instagram, I'm on all the social sites so that's not a problem.

489
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:29,040
But everybody else out there, I will leave my... Oh, is that just for me and Cheryl?

490
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Oh yeah. You guys can WhatsApp me, my number is... You guys can do none of those things.

491
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But it'd be lovely to meet you through Hayley or through Cheryl. I can say, should I say

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what my email address is or things like that? Or do you just want to put a link? How does

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this work? I don't know. I'll put a link on. Okay, so Hayley will put a link on. Hopefully

494
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she'll remember. But yeah, I'd just like to say thanks for having me. It's been emotional

495
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as always. Love to come back if you'll have me. And it's Friday also. Have a bloody good

496
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weekend. Yeah. It's Friday, Lewis. Saturday, Sunday, what?