WEBVTT 00:00:03.129 --> 00:00:05.969 Hello, my name is Kyla and welcome to this week's 00:00:05.969 --> 00:00:08.550 episode of Trinity Talks. My name is Amalvel. 00:00:08.650 --> 00:00:12.189 I'm Melissa. And I'm Ben. And we are here to 00:00:12.189 --> 00:00:15.929 continue our conversation about Growing Season, 00:00:16.010 --> 00:00:18.089 which is this teaching series that we're undergoing 00:00:18.089 --> 00:00:20.449 here at Trinity, where we're going back to the 00:00:20.449 --> 00:00:22.989 farm to learn what the farm has to teach us all 00:00:22.989 --> 00:00:26.609 about faith. And today we are talking about... 00:00:27.429 --> 00:00:30.030 intergenerational sort of farms intergenerational 00:00:30.030 --> 00:00:33.950 faith practices um and how often when you think 00:00:33.950 --> 00:00:36.130 about like a family farm you'll like sometimes 00:00:36.130 --> 00:00:39.109 see this is you know five generation family farms 00:00:39.109 --> 00:00:41.090 like it's passed down from like great -great 00:00:41.090 --> 00:00:43.189 -grandfather to great -grandfather to grandfather 00:00:43.189 --> 00:00:47.100 to father to son so on and so forth um And I 00:00:47.100 --> 00:00:48.899 think the same thing sometimes happens in our 00:00:48.899 --> 00:00:51.759 faith. Not always, but sometimes it is that sense 00:00:51.759 --> 00:00:55.000 of like, you know, we are families or at least 00:00:55.000 --> 00:00:59.179 somebody told somebody who told us, right, that 00:00:59.179 --> 00:01:03.700 we don't do this life of faith all alone. Yeah. 00:01:03.799 --> 00:01:07.340 And so just as you think about that concept of 00:01:07.340 --> 00:01:10.239 faith being passed down, as you think about sort 00:01:10.239 --> 00:01:12.939 of the sermon, are there any pieces that really 00:01:12.939 --> 00:01:17.209 sort of stand out to you? Well, for me, when 00:01:17.209 --> 00:01:20.609 Rob was talking about the different type of links 00:01:20.609 --> 00:01:24.469 in the chain, he talked about one of them being 00:01:24.469 --> 00:01:28.890 the first link, which would describe my situation 00:01:28.890 --> 00:01:33.049 for sure. I didn't grow up in a Christian family 00:01:33.049 --> 00:01:37.150 or a Christian household. Even though with my 00:01:37.150 --> 00:01:39.950 dad's side of the family, they grew up in the 00:01:39.950 --> 00:01:44.260 Baptist church. one of my uncles came to christ 00:01:44.260 --> 00:01:48.000 by the end of his life you know and and obviously 00:01:48.000 --> 00:01:49.480 with my mom's side of the family they're all 00:01:49.480 --> 00:01:52.480 muslims so that's not christian at all right 00:01:52.480 --> 00:01:57.680 so so yeah i mean it You know, I definitely relate 00:01:57.680 --> 00:02:01.659 to being a first link. Yeah, sure. And I think 00:02:01.659 --> 00:02:04.239 that that that's a really maybe not like entirely 00:02:04.239 --> 00:02:06.420 unique experience, but it's a it's a really sort 00:02:06.420 --> 00:02:08.960 of different experience than being sort of the 00:02:08.960 --> 00:02:10.740 second link or even like, you know, the fifth 00:02:10.740 --> 00:02:13.500 link or whatever. In a way, it's all it can be 00:02:13.500 --> 00:02:16.180 a lot more. In some ways, it can be a bit more 00:02:16.180 --> 00:02:19.180 challenging. Sure. You know, yeah. But then again, 00:02:19.300 --> 00:02:22.969 I mean, praise God, I was never fully. into Islam. 00:02:23.129 --> 00:02:26.849 I didn't fully connect with it, you know? So 00:02:26.849 --> 00:02:29.750 it helped, you know, the fact that I was sort 00:02:29.750 --> 00:02:33.990 of, you know, I had this period, uh, between 00:02:33.990 --> 00:02:37.009 leaving Islam and finding the church where I'm 00:02:37.009 --> 00:02:39.469 like, well, I believe in God, but I'm don't follow 00:02:39.469 --> 00:02:42.650 organized religion, you know? So it definitely 00:02:42.650 --> 00:02:45.789 helped because I know it's like, if you're like 00:02:45.789 --> 00:02:49.650 a developed Muslim, that's a very hard road to 00:02:49.650 --> 00:02:52.969 break. That's a very, That's a very difficult 00:02:52.969 --> 00:02:56.550 thing to break. Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What 00:02:56.550 --> 00:02:58.770 about for you guys as you think about that? I 00:02:58.770 --> 00:03:00.530 think going straight off, my thought process 00:03:00.530 --> 00:03:03.330 went straight to the links as well. But I had 00:03:03.330 --> 00:03:05.069 the different link. I was the strong link that 00:03:05.069 --> 00:03:08.009 was being passed down. I grew up in a very Christian 00:03:08.009 --> 00:03:10.270 household with loving parents who were amazing, 00:03:10.389 --> 00:03:13.310 supportive and great brothers. So with all that 00:03:13.310 --> 00:03:15.449 kind of like privilege and really nice starting 00:03:15.449 --> 00:03:18.879 points. my process that i felt like responsible 00:03:18.879 --> 00:03:21.259 for is how do i carry that on how do i shoot 00:03:21.259 --> 00:03:24.300 this good chain going and not break it off or 00:03:24.300 --> 00:03:26.860 let it just kind of sure rot in the dust yeah 00:03:26.860 --> 00:03:30.580 yeah yeah what about you honestly i also thought 00:03:30.580 --> 00:03:33.000 of the links as well which i think is really 00:03:33.000 --> 00:03:36.300 cool that we all kind of um had that in our minds 00:03:36.300 --> 00:03:40.969 and um kind of similar to your story i So my 00:03:40.969 --> 00:03:43.830 family is also not very Christian. My mom and 00:03:43.830 --> 00:03:46.710 dad, they did not grow up in the church. However, 00:03:46.969 --> 00:03:50.270 the person who did tell me, you know, will start 00:03:50.270 --> 00:03:51.870 bringing me to church when I was very young, 00:03:51.889 --> 00:03:56.810 actually is my aunt. And she learned about Christianity 00:03:56.810 --> 00:04:00.550 and about Jesus from her mother as well in China. 00:04:01.469 --> 00:04:06.680 However, it's not a. that that's on the rare 00:04:06.680 --> 00:04:11.400 side essentially um well it was then and um and 00:04:11.400 --> 00:04:14.340 because of that like even though she told me 00:04:14.340 --> 00:04:17.420 about you know let's go to church she loved just 00:04:17.420 --> 00:04:20.000 being around the people she loved volunteering 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:24.639 in kids church um I felt like I still felt very 00:04:24.639 --> 00:04:27.439 alone kind of in the process but I still do kind 00:04:27.439 --> 00:04:31.560 of see her as the link as well and then I do 00:04:31.560 --> 00:04:35.100 kind of relate to uh, being a first link as well 00:04:35.100 --> 00:04:39.019 for, um, my family and hopefully for my future 00:04:39.019 --> 00:04:42.920 children, God willing. Um, and just like you 00:04:42.920 --> 00:04:45.519 said, it's a hard, it is, it can be really hard, 00:04:45.620 --> 00:04:47.980 right? Sure. Because sometimes it feels like 00:04:47.980 --> 00:04:51.540 if a link together, um, with lots of like those 00:04:51.540 --> 00:04:53.379 little circles, I forgot what it was called. 00:04:53.480 --> 00:04:56.680 Um, it's so strong, but sometimes when it is 00:04:56.680 --> 00:04:59.720 just one, it feels kind of weak and it kind of 00:04:59.720 --> 00:05:02.860 feels like, sure. you know what is it going to 00:05:02.860 --> 00:05:05.699 hold up right and um but sometimes i just remind 00:05:05.699 --> 00:05:10.439 myself that if god has made you to be the first 00:05:10.439 --> 00:05:14.120 link there's a reason for that sure and ultimately 00:05:14.120 --> 00:05:18.319 in a way god is the first link and then yeah 00:05:18.319 --> 00:05:22.399 absolutely yeah that you're maybe like the first 00:05:22.399 --> 00:05:25.079 bit of the link like in your immediate family 00:05:25.079 --> 00:05:27.339 or maybe even in your extended family sometimes 00:05:27.339 --> 00:05:30.790 but that yeah you're not you didn't come out 00:05:30.790 --> 00:05:33.850 of nowhere yeah yeah right like your your faith 00:05:33.850 --> 00:05:38.529 was fed into by someone right and and i think 00:05:38.529 --> 00:05:40.649 that also then reminds me like when we think 00:05:40.649 --> 00:05:44.610 about our family context of like the importance 00:05:44.610 --> 00:05:48.529 of being linked as part of this chain outside 00:05:48.529 --> 00:05:52.529 of our like biological families as well right 00:05:52.529 --> 00:05:55.310 that being connected into christian community 00:05:55.310 --> 00:05:59.470 um also helps to strengthen that chain and gives 00:05:59.470 --> 00:06:02.970 us yeah spaces like even like for people you 00:06:02.970 --> 00:06:05.420 know we as we think about Passing on faith. And 00:06:05.420 --> 00:06:07.040 like if folks have mentioned, you know, coming 00:06:07.040 --> 00:06:09.560 from like parents to kids or grandparents or 00:06:09.560 --> 00:06:11.699 whatever. Right. Like that's great when that 00:06:11.699 --> 00:06:14.160 happens. But not everybody has biological children. 00:06:14.240 --> 00:06:16.879 Right. Not everybody has kids in their household. 00:06:17.040 --> 00:06:19.699 Right. But who are the people that we can pour 00:06:19.699 --> 00:06:23.319 into anyway? Yeah. It's also to say that we don't 00:06:23.319 --> 00:06:25.420 have to just pour into the people closest to 00:06:25.420 --> 00:06:27.480 us necessarily in a direct household, but you 00:06:27.480 --> 00:06:29.500 can pour into anyone you're around, whether you're 00:06:29.500 --> 00:06:30.899 around them often, whether it's your friends, 00:06:31.060 --> 00:06:32.959 whether it's your coworkers, it can be anyone. 00:06:33.439 --> 00:06:36.600 Yeah. Yeah. And then like, sometimes it's also 00:06:36.600 --> 00:06:42.100 not like. generational or like age related really 00:06:42.100 --> 00:06:44.420 like like sometimes i'm pouring into people who 00:06:44.420 --> 00:06:46.040 are the same age as me sometimes i'm pouring 00:06:46.040 --> 00:06:47.819 into people who are older than me and sometimes 00:06:47.819 --> 00:06:49.720 you know older folks are pouring into me sometimes 00:06:49.720 --> 00:06:52.120 younger folks are pouring into me right like 00:06:52.120 --> 00:06:53.959 there's something about just like getting all 00:06:53.959 --> 00:06:56.100 of these different experiences and people together 00:06:56.100 --> 00:07:00.480 in a space that really builds our chain so that 00:07:00.480 --> 00:07:04.069 it's more of like A web, I guess, than like a 00:07:04.069 --> 00:07:08.930 single line. I think about actually the first 00:07:08.930 --> 00:07:11.170 person who ever told me about Jesus. And it was 00:07:11.170 --> 00:07:14.490 at a Chinese church that me and my parents went 00:07:14.490 --> 00:07:16.730 to because we were looking for a community. I 00:07:16.730 --> 00:07:19.649 think I was like four years old, but it was actually 00:07:19.649 --> 00:07:21.509 the staff that was working in the kids church. 00:07:21.589 --> 00:07:23.610 And she told me about Jesus. And I was like, 00:07:23.689 --> 00:07:27.389 oh, this feels so lovely. Right. And then I just. 00:07:28.000 --> 00:07:31.819 I think we just maybe didn't go back moving forward. 00:07:31.899 --> 00:07:35.019 But I always remember her. And you're right. 00:07:35.079 --> 00:07:37.660 It's like in my immediate family, I think of 00:07:37.660 --> 00:07:40.959 myself as the first link. But actually, she was 00:07:40.959 --> 00:07:43.920 the link that connected me. And then my aunt 00:07:43.920 --> 00:07:46.139 built on that onto that. And then someone told 00:07:46.139 --> 00:07:49.300 her. And I think it's just a testimony to how 00:07:49.300 --> 00:07:52.620 cool. god is and the way that he works is just 00:07:52.620 --> 00:07:55.660 really really cool yeah yeah and that's not to 00:07:55.660 --> 00:07:58.779 like negate like if you feel like an individual 00:07:58.779 --> 00:08:01.379 link in a chain like that is still really hard 00:08:01.379 --> 00:08:03.240 and there are still like unique challenges that 00:08:03.240 --> 00:08:07.300 come with that yeah um right and we get to be 00:08:07.300 --> 00:08:11.459 part of this web of chains exactly yeah yeah 00:08:11.459 --> 00:08:15.990 so as As you think about your sort of faith story, 00:08:16.170 --> 00:08:18.490 are there people that you can think of who have 00:08:18.490 --> 00:08:20.649 like taken that time to pour into you and to 00:08:20.649 --> 00:08:23.069 help develop your faith? And like, yeah, what 00:08:23.069 --> 00:08:25.350 what sort of impact did that have on on your 00:08:25.350 --> 00:08:30.589 life? I mean, personally, I mean, I do know like 00:08:30.589 --> 00:08:34.730 there were a few family members that that were 00:08:34.730 --> 00:08:38.009 that are or that are kind of like legit Christians, 00:08:38.149 --> 00:08:41.710 you know, Bible believing Christians, but. I 00:08:41.710 --> 00:08:44.289 mean, I think for me, like what started, it was 00:08:44.289 --> 00:08:46.830 just sort of funny enough, like YouTube watching, 00:08:46.970 --> 00:08:50.389 you know, like the algorithm can work in a great 00:08:50.389 --> 00:08:54.889 way, you know? And it's just, I started, you 00:08:54.889 --> 00:08:58.090 know, I was looking at one subject and then that 00:08:58.090 --> 00:09:00.370 leads to something else and something else. And, 00:09:00.370 --> 00:09:04.070 you know, and so by the time I found Trinity 00:09:04.070 --> 00:09:07.029 Church, I was already watching some Christian 00:09:07.029 --> 00:09:10.409 content. Sure. But it wasn't, you know, it was. 00:09:11.080 --> 00:09:14.200 based off my own interests sure yeah so yeah 00:09:14.200 --> 00:09:17.820 no that's totally valid yeah yeah what what about 00:09:17.820 --> 00:09:20.080 for you for me i get to have the backing of a 00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:22.740 really nice family who sure helped me grow up 00:09:22.740 --> 00:09:25.600 christian but my mom my dad were especially always 00:09:25.600 --> 00:09:28.019 there for me helping me build just habits and 00:09:28.019 --> 00:09:31.200 values into my routines as well as my grandparents 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:33.460 who are always there to help bring it up especially 00:09:33.460 --> 00:09:36.019 during family events sure it was easter or christmas 00:09:36.549 --> 00:09:38.669 chocolate is good presents are nice but it was 00:09:38.669 --> 00:09:40.370 always the reminder like there's something more 00:09:40.370 --> 00:09:43.750 important here sure yeah those were big factors 00:09:43.750 --> 00:09:46.450 big figures in my life sure on top of that one 00:09:46.450 --> 00:09:48.649 of the places i always love is a camp called 00:09:48.649 --> 00:09:50.750 fair havens where me and my family would always 00:09:50.750 --> 00:09:53.909 go just for every summer uh basically all the 00:09:53.909 --> 00:09:55.649 way up until covid for as long as i can remember 00:09:56.299 --> 00:09:58.139 And we just go there and hang out with tons of 00:09:58.139 --> 00:10:00.059 different Christians, learning more about Jesus, 00:10:00.100 --> 00:10:02.879 but also participating together in lots of different 00:10:02.879 --> 00:10:05.340 activities that all just have like a little Jesus 00:10:05.340 --> 00:10:07.679 twist on it. Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But all 00:10:07.679 --> 00:10:10.100 those moments just build the habit of like every 00:10:10.100 --> 00:10:12.240 day, no matter what you're doing, where you are, 00:10:12.340 --> 00:10:14.799 Jesus is always with you and surrounding you. 00:10:14.840 --> 00:10:17.220 And you always ask questions, whether it's people 00:10:17.220 --> 00:10:19.320 younger than me playing with the kids who are 00:10:19.320 --> 00:10:20.779 a lot younger and go, oh, hey, they actually 00:10:20.779 --> 00:10:23.419 pick things up really quickly. They did that 00:10:23.419 --> 00:10:26.080 better than I did. Yeah. Or learning from people 00:10:26.080 --> 00:10:28.360 who have way more wisdom and experience than 00:10:28.360 --> 00:10:30.679 me. Sure. Always just being surrounded by people 00:10:30.679 --> 00:10:33.539 willing to give advice and support. Yeah. Yeah. 00:10:33.700 --> 00:10:37.000 Yeah. Yeah. And I just wanted to say as well, 00:10:37.080 --> 00:10:40.299 like, that's really cool because I remember in 00:10:40.299 --> 00:10:42.659 the sermon, Rob was kind of mentioning about 00:10:42.659 --> 00:10:45.659 Camp Trinity and how, yes, it's really awesome 00:10:45.659 --> 00:10:47.620 when the kids, you know, they're singing, they're 00:10:47.620 --> 00:10:52.419 standing in the chairs, but faith is also being 00:10:52.419 --> 00:10:56.200 grown in like those smaller moments, like bracelet 00:10:56.200 --> 00:10:59.100 making. And when you mentioned like, you know, 00:10:59.100 --> 00:11:01.620 just like your family and like the things that 00:11:01.620 --> 00:11:04.330 your parents taught you, I think. That is an 00:11:04.330 --> 00:11:06.309 example. It's like those smaller, more intimate 00:11:06.309 --> 00:11:09.269 moments. Yeah. And I think that's really cool. 00:11:09.509 --> 00:11:13.429 Thanks. I would say that for myself as well, 00:11:13.570 --> 00:11:17.929 it's those smaller, intimate moments that we've 00:11:17.929 --> 00:11:20.950 had with our life group, right? Like with you, 00:11:20.970 --> 00:11:23.730 Kyla, and with Jackie and Jesse and Jordan and 00:11:23.730 --> 00:11:26.929 Ira and all the people. I know I'm missing names. 00:11:26.950 --> 00:11:30.909 Please don't be mad. It's just things like that. 00:11:31.659 --> 00:11:35.320 it makes you want to keep coming back. Um, and 00:11:35.320 --> 00:11:38.340 then it just kind of reminds you that God is 00:11:38.340 --> 00:11:40.519 very relational. So when you are building those 00:11:40.519 --> 00:11:42.379 relationships that you're kind of like, Oh, like 00:11:42.379 --> 00:11:45.519 this is like kind of how it is with me and God. 00:11:45.580 --> 00:11:49.320 And this is how, um, things get past generation 00:11:49.320 --> 00:11:52.899 to generation or just, you know, people to people. 00:11:53.019 --> 00:11:56.200 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I think about in my own 00:11:56.200 --> 00:11:59.580 sort of life and faith, just like all of the 00:11:59.580 --> 00:12:05.519 people, who like took a risk on me like like 00:12:05.519 --> 00:12:09.220 we're like hey kyla you can do this thing like 00:12:09.220 --> 00:12:11.940 go go lead this thing or like hey like ask those 00:12:11.940 --> 00:12:14.179 hard questions and like let's have those conversations 00:12:14.179 --> 00:12:16.899 right and like it's yeah it's those moments of 00:12:16.899 --> 00:12:20.259 people sort of yeah just taking that time to 00:12:20.259 --> 00:12:23.580 sort of say you know yeah because similarly like 00:12:23.580 --> 00:12:26.059 i grew up in a faith household so it wasn't necessarily 00:12:26.059 --> 00:12:29.320 that i needed to be presented with who jesus 00:12:29.320 --> 00:12:31.200 is and like the basics of the gospel but like 00:12:31.200 --> 00:12:33.019 my faith journey was a lot of like figuring out 00:12:33.019 --> 00:12:35.759 okay how do all the pieces fit together and like 00:12:35.759 --> 00:12:38.259 how do i want to live and what do i want to believe 00:12:38.259 --> 00:12:41.360 and in all of this right and so just having people 00:12:41.360 --> 00:12:44.700 to dialogue that way right and having people 00:12:44.700 --> 00:12:50.289 um who encouraged me and made me want to keep 00:12:50.289 --> 00:12:52.950 showing up, even when it was confusing and hard 00:12:52.950 --> 00:12:56.210 and messy. Yes. Right? You know, just feeling 00:12:56.210 --> 00:13:01.059 like, yeah, there is a space. where I can bring 00:13:01.059 --> 00:13:05.320 all of that. Right. And then also, I think, you 00:13:05.320 --> 00:13:06.700 know, like the piece that you were sort of saying 00:13:06.700 --> 00:13:08.820 a novel about like YouTube and like different 00:13:08.820 --> 00:13:11.360 sort of online resources and whatever, like that 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:13.500 also really speaks to me because I think sometimes 00:13:13.500 --> 00:13:17.220 like I'm first, I encounter something in someone 00:13:17.220 --> 00:13:19.259 else or like in a conversation and I'm like, 00:13:19.299 --> 00:13:22.240 huh, that's. an interesting faith piece that 00:13:22.240 --> 00:13:24.279 I like haven't thought about before, but then 00:13:24.279 --> 00:13:27.419 like other resources, other people that I will 00:13:27.419 --> 00:13:30.419 never meet face to face have become the people 00:13:30.419 --> 00:13:33.960 that have like helped me think through things 00:13:33.960 --> 00:13:37.320 sort of differently. Yeah. Right. Sure. Yeah. 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:39.899 So it's, it's so neat. I think to think about 00:13:39.899 --> 00:13:42.440 all of the links in the chain that are, that 00:13:42.440 --> 00:13:45.139 are family, that are friends, that are pastors 00:13:45.139 --> 00:13:48.639 or youth pastors that are authors and. people 00:13:48.639 --> 00:13:50.620 that i will never meet right but they're all 00:13:50.620 --> 00:13:53.019 people who have like poured into and shaped my 00:13:53.019 --> 00:13:56.620 faith and we're all connected somehow and i think 00:13:56.620 --> 00:14:00.200 it's also like um like for example trinity works 00:14:00.200 --> 00:14:03.879 um with is it united way uh with world vision 00:14:03.879 --> 00:14:07.480 oh sorry world vision to um support nueva frontera 00:14:07.480 --> 00:14:11.590 and even just that is like like it's like a chain 00:14:11.590 --> 00:14:14.629 is being made there, right? And so even when 00:14:14.629 --> 00:14:18.629 we're tithing and it's going to, whether it's 00:14:18.629 --> 00:14:20.730 tithing to Trinity, even if you're tithing to 00:14:20.730 --> 00:14:27.470 other organizations to support Christians, I 00:14:27.470 --> 00:14:29.610 think that's how chains are being made. If you're 00:14:29.610 --> 00:14:34.190 volunteering at a shelter or a soup kitchen or 00:14:34.190 --> 00:14:37.590 just meeting with people, that's also how chains 00:14:37.590 --> 00:14:41.730 are being made as well. I actually saw a quote 00:14:41.730 --> 00:14:44.490 on Instagram, which kind of speaks to the YouTube 00:14:44.490 --> 00:14:48.850 like Internet thing where it said the best sermons 00:14:48.850 --> 00:14:51.690 are the ones where you're showing people how 00:14:51.690 --> 00:14:55.190 you love and how you live. And I think that's 00:14:55.190 --> 00:14:59.649 especially for people who may not be in the faith. 00:14:59.710 --> 00:15:01.289 Like, I think that's one of the best ways to 00:15:01.289 --> 00:15:03.190 kind of build that link is that they see it through 00:15:03.190 --> 00:15:07.529 you. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Yeah, 00:15:07.549 --> 00:15:11.169 so the scripture passage that Rob read as part 00:15:11.169 --> 00:15:14.070 of the sermon was from Deuteronomy chapter 6. 00:15:14.110 --> 00:15:15.909 So I'm just going to read a couple of those verses 00:15:15.909 --> 00:15:18.509 for you. So Deuteronomy chapter 6, starting at 00:15:18.509 --> 00:15:21.970 verse 7. Actually, I'll start at verse 6. So 00:15:21.970 --> 00:15:23.929 these commands I give you today are to be upon 00:15:23.929 --> 00:15:26.750 your hearts. Impress them upon your children. 00:15:26.950 --> 00:15:29.169 Talk about them when you sit at home and when 00:15:29.169 --> 00:15:31.110 you walk along the road and when you lie down 00:15:31.110 --> 00:15:33.769 and when you get up. Tie them as symbols on your 00:15:33.769 --> 00:15:36.169 hands and bind them on your foreheads. Write 00:15:36.169 --> 00:15:39.429 them on the door frames of your houses and on 00:15:39.429 --> 00:15:43.029 your gates. And what stands out to me about those 00:15:43.029 --> 00:15:45.980 verses is just this, like... Just talk about 00:15:45.980 --> 00:15:48.940 it all the time in everyday moments, right? Talk 00:15:48.940 --> 00:15:50.440 about it when you're sitting at home, when you're 00:15:50.440 --> 00:15:52.000 walking on the road, when you're lying down, 00:15:52.100 --> 00:15:53.919 when you're getting up, when you're entering 00:15:53.919 --> 00:15:56.840 and exiting your home, like just in all of these 00:15:56.840 --> 00:16:00.220 sort of ordinary everyday moments. That's where 00:16:00.220 --> 00:16:02.940 faith is developed, where faith is shaped, where 00:16:02.940 --> 00:16:06.759 faith is sort of passed on. Yeah. So like, like, 00:16:06.799 --> 00:16:08.700 what do you think about that? Like, are there 00:16:08.700 --> 00:16:11.960 ways that you can sort of see faith being shaped 00:16:11.960 --> 00:16:15.639 or passed on in like ordinary everyday moments? 00:16:16.600 --> 00:16:19.100 Yeah, I think oftentimes just the little conversations 00:16:19.100 --> 00:16:21.860 with families or friends, the main area I see 00:16:21.860 --> 00:16:24.379 where it's just daily struggles. Hey, I went 00:16:24.379 --> 00:16:27.200 to work and this thing happened that I don't 00:16:27.200 --> 00:16:29.440 know what happened here. It was not my favorite 00:16:29.440 --> 00:16:31.480 interaction. Sure. And you have to have other 00:16:31.480 --> 00:16:33.059 people who see it from a different perspective 00:16:33.059 --> 00:16:35.259 and can offer advice like, oh, actually, this. 00:16:35.610 --> 00:16:37.009 As a benefit, you can actually use this as a 00:16:37.009 --> 00:16:39.169 really cool opportunity. Sure. Or the people 00:16:39.169 --> 00:16:40.789 who just have different perspectives to help 00:16:40.789 --> 00:16:44.350 you view it from a whole fresh new lens. Ways 00:16:44.350 --> 00:16:46.110 that people can just speak to you and the little 00:16:46.110 --> 00:16:48.730 everyday things are some of the best. Yeah, yeah, 00:16:48.750 --> 00:16:51.210 yeah. I remember growing up a little while ago 00:16:51.210 --> 00:16:52.690 in high school, I had a bunch of guinea pigs 00:16:52.690 --> 00:16:54.549 that were all running around my room. Okay. But 00:16:54.549 --> 00:16:57.009 every morning it was a little routine of like 00:16:57.009 --> 00:16:59.350 I would get up, I would listen to the Bible just 00:16:59.350 --> 00:17:01.870 as like a daily devotional while I fed the guinea 00:17:01.870 --> 00:17:04.390 pigs, get them water, do whatever we need to. 00:17:04.970 --> 00:17:06.750 And I'd go down and have breakfast and then talk 00:17:06.750 --> 00:17:09.029 with whoever's at the table. Sure, yeah. The 00:17:09.029 --> 00:17:10.710 little things, the little ways we can always 00:17:10.710 --> 00:17:13.049 build into each other. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for 00:17:13.049 --> 00:17:17.549 sure. I love that. I also love that you had guinea 00:17:17.549 --> 00:17:19.349 pigs because I have a hamster, but I won't talk 00:17:19.349 --> 00:17:23.089 about that because that could take so long. I 00:17:23.089 --> 00:17:28.670 also feel like just volunteering with the kids 00:17:28.670 --> 00:17:32.650 ministry here at Trinity Streetsville and just... 00:17:33.049 --> 00:17:36.990 The amazing work that Megan and Moende and the 00:17:36.990 --> 00:17:42.210 volunteers do to kind of talk about Jesus with 00:17:42.210 --> 00:17:44.309 children. Like sometimes the children, they're 00:17:44.309 --> 00:17:47.670 coming and we don't know, you know, what their 00:17:47.670 --> 00:17:50.950 faith relationship is like, what home is kind 00:17:50.950 --> 00:17:52.549 of like as well, like what their parents are 00:17:52.549 --> 00:17:57.930 saying or doing. Making that environment, like 00:17:57.930 --> 00:18:00.369 always bringing the topic back to Jesus, always 00:18:00.369 --> 00:18:03.869 bringing the topic back to how much he loves 00:18:03.869 --> 00:18:06.910 us and he loves them and he created them to be 00:18:06.910 --> 00:18:11.170 beautiful and smart and kind and just doing it 00:18:11.170 --> 00:18:13.630 in a way that's understandable and obviously 00:18:13.630 --> 00:18:17.839 appropriate for young children as well. Always 00:18:17.839 --> 00:18:19.839 bringing it back and then having activities, 00:18:19.880 --> 00:18:21.319 too, where it's like you're doing a coloring 00:18:21.319 --> 00:18:23.940 page and you're coloring Jesus and someone made 00:18:23.940 --> 00:18:26.299 Jesus's hair green. And it's like, OK, well, 00:18:26.420 --> 00:18:28.980 but like, you know, you're talking about Jesus 00:18:28.980 --> 00:18:31.519 and things are happening. And I think that's 00:18:31.519 --> 00:18:35.599 just another way to where I'm just always talking 00:18:35.599 --> 00:18:37.900 about him. I was incorporating. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:42.700 yeah, for sure. For sure. Yeah. Incorporating, 00:18:42.740 --> 00:18:47.359 I guess for me, it's. just personal just making 00:18:47.359 --> 00:18:50.579 sure that i'm always trying to pray every day 00:18:50.579 --> 00:18:54.339 at some point sometimes it's sometimes it can 00:18:54.339 --> 00:18:56.940 be difficult if you're not doing anything you're 00:18:56.940 --> 00:19:00.559 not going anywhere you know like like because 00:19:00.559 --> 00:19:02.700 it's like easy to do it like if i'm driving the 00:19:02.700 --> 00:19:05.380 car or walking somewhere yeah you know but sometimes 00:19:05.380 --> 00:19:07.599 it's like making it part of that everyday routine 00:19:07.599 --> 00:19:10.380 yeah yeah yeah but i mean sometimes i see it 00:19:10.380 --> 00:19:14.680 with just like like randomly i might pray for 00:19:14.680 --> 00:19:17.940 somebody that i don't know but like i might feel 00:19:17.940 --> 00:19:21.920 like i want to pray for that you know like and 00:19:21.920 --> 00:19:25.240 not not with them but for them you know and just 00:19:25.240 --> 00:19:29.819 sort of like i i guess i i guess it's sort of 00:19:29.819 --> 00:19:32.500 like almost like a guerrilla style faith or something 00:19:32.500 --> 00:19:35.359 you know kind of a thing yeah it's just like 00:19:35.359 --> 00:19:38.000 in this moment this is what like yeah and so 00:19:38.400 --> 00:19:41.400 being like tapped in and like listening for God's 00:19:41.400 --> 00:19:44.240 spirit, like directing you. Like you almost feel 00:19:44.240 --> 00:19:47.640 compelled to say something or to pray for something, 00:19:47.720 --> 00:19:52.059 you know? Yeah. I remember, um, at one point 00:19:52.059 --> 00:19:54.720 I was having a conversation with my partner about 00:19:54.720 --> 00:19:57.500 like just different families and ways that families 00:19:57.500 --> 00:20:00.140 talk and what they talk about and all these things. 00:20:00.180 --> 00:20:02.000 Um, and one of the things that she said at one 00:20:02.000 --> 00:20:06.710 point was like that she noticed how. easy and 00:20:06.710 --> 00:20:11.769 how like natural it seemed in my family um for 00:20:11.769 --> 00:20:15.349 faith to just be a lens yeah that we like had 00:20:15.349 --> 00:20:18.630 all of our conversations through right and and 00:20:18.630 --> 00:20:22.369 just like it just yeah it's so naturally part 00:20:22.369 --> 00:20:24.930 of our dialogue and like i i think that that's 00:20:24.930 --> 00:20:27.329 a huge blessing for me yeah right that's not 00:20:27.329 --> 00:20:29.890 necessarily part of every family's story but 00:20:29.890 --> 00:20:33.369 like So like one moment that comes to mind for 00:20:33.369 --> 00:20:35.109 me when I think about, you know, everyday moments 00:20:35.109 --> 00:20:38.650 and passing on faith was one summer. We were 00:20:38.650 --> 00:20:41.329 like on a road trip and I'm sure. So I have three 00:20:41.329 --> 00:20:43.690 siblings. So there's four kids and two parents 00:20:43.690 --> 00:20:46.650 all stuffed into a van. It's probably super hot 00:20:46.650 --> 00:20:48.650 and we've probably been on the road for a while. 00:20:48.690 --> 00:20:50.710 And my parents are probably really annoyed with 00:20:50.710 --> 00:20:55.569 us. And. My mom just like turns around and she's 00:20:55.569 --> 00:20:59.250 like, OK, Josh, my brother, what's your favorite 00:20:59.250 --> 00:21:01.849 Bible story? And then he says what his favorite 00:21:01.849 --> 00:21:04.029 Bible story is. And she says, OK, now tell us 00:21:04.029 --> 00:21:06.799 the story. And then she did that. with each of 00:21:06.799 --> 00:21:09.240 us. Right. So we took some time on this road 00:21:09.240 --> 00:21:11.420 trip where I'm sure she was just like, stop fighting 00:21:11.420 --> 00:21:14.759 with each other. Absolutely. Right. But like, 00:21:14.799 --> 00:21:16.559 it was just like, no, let's just chat about Bible 00:21:16.559 --> 00:21:19.619 stories as we're driving along to wherever it 00:21:19.619 --> 00:21:21.240 was we were going. I don't even really remember. 00:21:21.519 --> 00:21:23.339 Right. But like, it was just that moment of being 00:21:23.339 --> 00:21:27.440 like, oh yeah, we can just take some time. Yeah. 00:21:27.519 --> 00:21:30.319 Be like in, we all, we all chat about all kinds 00:21:30.319 --> 00:21:32.259 of really random things every day. And that's 00:21:32.259 --> 00:21:34.380 great. But maybe some of those random things 00:21:34.380 --> 00:21:39.210 could be, sometimes jesus -y yeah so it's like 00:21:39.210 --> 00:21:41.670 i remember in long car rides similar for my family 00:21:41.670 --> 00:21:44.089 we're like driving up to fair haven say or going 00:21:44.089 --> 00:21:46.390 somewhere longer we would have audiobooks on 00:21:46.390 --> 00:21:48.109 but usually the audiobooks that we'd have it'd 00:21:48.109 --> 00:21:50.410 be like narnia or the screen tape letters thank 00:21:50.410 --> 00:21:53.390 you c .s lewis yes yes but just things that can 00:21:53.390 --> 00:21:55.569 challenge you too right they don't always have 00:21:55.569 --> 00:21:58.309 to be the sit down philosophical of yes let's 00:21:58.309 --> 00:21:59.849 all just think especially if you're dealing with 00:21:59.849 --> 00:22:02.759 little kids sure But you can have little questions, 00:22:02.839 --> 00:22:04.579 little challenges to engage people no matter 00:22:04.579 --> 00:22:08.180 where you are. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Okay. 00:22:08.319 --> 00:22:12.319 And then in Deuteronomy chapter six, verse 12, 00:22:12.319 --> 00:22:16.039 it says, be careful that you do not forget the 00:22:16.039 --> 00:22:18.400 Lord who brought you out of Egypt, out of the 00:22:18.400 --> 00:22:21.039 land of slavery. So God has given them all these 00:22:21.039 --> 00:22:23.059 commands. Make sure you do like talk about faith 00:22:23.059 --> 00:22:25.619 every day. And then very specifically, don't 00:22:25.619 --> 00:22:28.660 forget because God knows that people are often 00:22:28.660 --> 00:22:34.119 kind of forgetful. Yes. Yeah. But why, why do 00:22:34.119 --> 00:22:36.930 you think it is so easy for us to forget? who 00:22:36.930 --> 00:22:39.509 God is and what God does. And like, how do we... 00:22:39.740 --> 00:22:42.000 sort of combat that in some way. I think it's 00:22:42.000 --> 00:22:43.920 really easy when we get caught up in what we're 00:22:43.920 --> 00:22:46.059 doing, what we're actually working on. So whether 00:22:46.059 --> 00:22:48.420 it's school, whether it's jobs, whether you're 00:22:48.420 --> 00:22:50.440 just actually like an athlete or working on a 00:22:50.440 --> 00:22:52.099 specific skill that you're trying to develop, 00:22:52.319 --> 00:22:55.019 we often get caught in ignoring the fundamentals 00:22:55.019 --> 00:22:56.700 where we came from focusing on, oh, what are 00:22:56.700 --> 00:22:58.119 the little things I have to do? Oh, right. I 00:22:58.119 --> 00:23:00.680 need to do X, Y, Z to add on to build myself. 00:23:00.940 --> 00:23:03.839 Yeah. And we sometimes lose focus of why we were 00:23:03.839 --> 00:23:06.380 there in the first place. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. And 00:23:06.380 --> 00:23:10.769 I think it's, you know, human beings like we 00:23:10.769 --> 00:23:13.470 are floods and has entered the world and so sometimes 00:23:13.470 --> 00:23:16.130 i think it's also just like maybe like pride 00:23:16.130 --> 00:23:18.569 or just like things but we're just what god has 00:23:18.569 --> 00:23:21.609 gifted us so many things and then we just think 00:23:21.609 --> 00:23:24.869 okay well i have to work really hard at school 00:23:24.869 --> 00:23:27.269 i have to go to work and i have to do this i 00:23:27.269 --> 00:23:29.130 have to do this and there's a lot of like eyes 00:23:29.130 --> 00:23:31.349 that are happening right and i think just like 00:23:31.349 --> 00:23:34.769 as the eyes are happening you forget that like 00:23:34.769 --> 00:23:39.589 god is doing this with you right and But I think 00:23:39.589 --> 00:23:41.829 it's just kind of that human thing. And so I 00:23:41.829 --> 00:23:44.190 think that is why it's so important to be linked 00:23:44.190 --> 00:23:46.849 and to be in community because people will remind 00:23:46.849 --> 00:23:51.710 you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's easy for 00:23:51.710 --> 00:23:55.130 people to forget because a lot of the times when 00:23:55.130 --> 00:23:58.349 people call on God or talk to God or want to 00:23:58.349 --> 00:24:00.690 spend time with God, it's in their darkest hours. 00:24:00.730 --> 00:24:03.650 Sure. It's when things are going wrong. You know, 00:24:03.750 --> 00:24:08.240 it's like I've heard the analogy of. uh of drinking 00:24:08.240 --> 00:24:11.980 water right you know are you drinking water just 00:24:11.980 --> 00:24:15.200 to stay hydrated or when you're really dehydrated 00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:17.500 when you're really thirsty okay i'll go for that 00:24:17.500 --> 00:24:20.160 water right you know and of course jesus is a 00:24:20.160 --> 00:24:22.440 living water so that all ties together yeah you 00:24:22.440 --> 00:24:25.119 know but i you know and it's like i think sometimes 00:24:25.119 --> 00:24:28.559 you know like you you look at the story of jove 00:24:28.559 --> 00:24:32.480 and he was tested by god and the devil with you 00:24:32.480 --> 00:24:36.240 know will you still Praise me, remember me, thank 00:24:36.240 --> 00:24:39.539 me, be faithful to me when you have nothing, 00:24:39.640 --> 00:24:42.380 when I take everything away. But I think God 00:24:42.380 --> 00:24:45.200 and the devil also test us when we have everything. 00:24:45.400 --> 00:24:47.819 Sure. Will you remember? Will you still go to 00:24:47.819 --> 00:24:49.940 church? Yep. You know, a whole different type 00:24:49.940 --> 00:24:52.950 of challenge. Yeah. You know, do you still? is 00:24:52.950 --> 00:24:55.170 church still one of the best parts of your week 00:24:55.170 --> 00:24:57.950 right do you want to still be involved with your 00:24:57.950 --> 00:25:00.670 life group are you still gonna donate that money 00:25:00.670 --> 00:25:02.990 you know yeah you you have all this money you 00:25:02.990 --> 00:25:05.210 worked hard for it why why do you need to give 00:25:05.210 --> 00:25:10.250 things like that you know it's so it's it's a 00:25:10.250 --> 00:25:13.210 different type of test sure yep sure and it's 00:25:13.210 --> 00:25:17.869 so easy yeah in those good moments to feel like 00:25:17.869 --> 00:25:21.240 we are we're comfortable Right. And like I'm 00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:25.440 able to take care of myself. And and in the dark 00:25:25.440 --> 00:25:28.519 moments, sometimes it's easy to be like, I need 00:25:28.519 --> 00:25:30.599 to take care of myself. I need to figure this 00:25:30.599 --> 00:25:35.680 out all on my own. Yeah. And so then, yeah, it 00:25:35.680 --> 00:25:39.359 just we're just so I think myself especially, 00:25:39.500 --> 00:25:41.680 maybe not everybody else. I don't know. But like 00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:46.779 I'm like a very. like focused on the now kind 00:25:46.779 --> 00:25:50.619 of person. Right. I can think longterm. I might, 00:25:50.619 --> 00:25:55.400 my recall is less good. Right. But I'm like, 00:25:55.480 --> 00:25:57.019 okay, this is what's happening right now. I need 00:25:57.019 --> 00:25:58.720 to like figure it out. I need to like get all 00:25:58.720 --> 00:26:00.859 the pieces together. Let's let's just be in the 00:26:00.859 --> 00:26:05.059 moment. And, and so then it is hard for me to 00:26:05.059 --> 00:26:08.579 say, oh yeah. Okay. Right now this is stressy, 00:26:08.599 --> 00:26:10.740 but remember a couple of years ago when there 00:26:10.740 --> 00:26:13.559 was also that stressy thing, we like got through 00:26:13.559 --> 00:26:17.269 that. Right. Yeah. And like, yeah, just to remember 00:26:17.269 --> 00:26:19.069 that God was faithful then and God is faithful 00:26:19.069 --> 00:26:21.869 now. Yeah. His consistency. And even when you're 00:26:21.869 --> 00:26:25.490 successful, I mean, yes, a big part of it is 00:26:25.490 --> 00:26:28.630 your effort and your willingness to learn and 00:26:28.630 --> 00:26:32.690 connections and growth and all that. But at the 00:26:32.690 --> 00:26:35.049 end of the day, all of this is God's will. Yeah, 00:26:35.049 --> 00:26:38.690 for sure. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. So are there 00:26:38.690 --> 00:26:42.210 some like. practical sort of tips or ways that 00:26:42.210 --> 00:26:44.369 you can think of that like might help us to set 00:26:44.369 --> 00:26:47.170 up reminders for ourselves in those moments where 00:26:47.170 --> 00:26:51.990 it's easy to forget so i know for me what let's 00:26:51.990 --> 00:26:55.250 say a situation happens that's really hard that 00:26:55.250 --> 00:26:59.240 i'm really i'm super anxious right i my emotions 00:26:59.240 --> 00:27:02.940 will skyrocket. And because of that, I forget 00:27:02.940 --> 00:27:06.180 that God is in control, that I can pray, you 00:27:06.180 --> 00:27:08.019 know, that really when these things happen, the 00:27:08.019 --> 00:27:10.339 first thing I should do is pray and go to God. 00:27:10.359 --> 00:27:13.359 But I'm immediately like, oh my gosh, like this 00:27:13.359 --> 00:27:15.819 is happening. Like, what do I do? What do I do? 00:27:15.859 --> 00:27:19.680 What do I do? And I think it's when those moments 00:27:19.680 --> 00:27:23.420 happen, like happen, start setting up the habit 00:27:23.420 --> 00:27:27.500 or the pattern of just being like, okay god something 00:27:27.500 --> 00:27:30.200 happened and i'm stressed just help me or just 00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:33.420 god help me even like and start to kind of train 00:27:33.420 --> 00:27:35.420 that within yourself because it's not something 00:27:35.420 --> 00:27:38.319 that's going to happen immediately it might take 00:27:38.319 --> 00:27:42.920 years for maybe your old emotional habits to 00:27:42.920 --> 00:27:45.380 kind of become these new emotional habits um 00:27:45.380 --> 00:27:48.059 but yeah just being like even just doing that 00:27:48.059 --> 00:27:50.440 like just like as soon as you feel that anxiety 00:27:50.440 --> 00:27:54.039 being like god help me and just going to try 00:27:54.039 --> 00:27:56.099 to manage whatever's there yeah yeah just like 00:27:56.099 --> 00:27:59.660 making sure that that's a routine yeah yeah absolutely 00:27:59.660 --> 00:28:02.579 yeah it's like routines for me help a ton just 00:28:02.579 --> 00:28:05.500 like if in the mornings what do you do and having 00:28:05.500 --> 00:28:07.940 a set routine really can help build those habits 00:28:07.940 --> 00:28:10.240 in so when things go off it's a lot easier to 00:28:10.240 --> 00:28:12.559 snap back into oh right i remember this yeah 00:28:12.559 --> 00:28:15.059 yeah yeah for sure the other thing i find really 00:28:15.059 --> 00:28:16.859 helpful especially like throughout my school 00:28:16.859 --> 00:28:18.640 like i just have a bunch of little stuffies and 00:28:18.640 --> 00:28:20.720 pictures on my wall they're just nearby yeah 00:28:20.720 --> 00:28:23.799 which they're just fun cute Sure. But it's really 00:28:23.799 --> 00:28:25.579 nice to look at some of them and be like, okay, 00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:27.720 there's still something, even if it's just not 00:28:27.720 --> 00:28:29.160 animated, but it's still something to remind 00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:31.759 me, okay, pause for a second and think. Yeah. 00:28:31.779 --> 00:28:35.200 Go back. I like to remember elementary school 00:28:35.200 --> 00:28:37.180 or Sunday schools where they had all sorts of 00:28:37.180 --> 00:28:38.960 things posted on the walls of like Sunday verses 00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:41.500 or pictures like crosses everywhere. But it's 00:28:41.500 --> 00:28:43.480 just those little reminders to look and see something 00:28:43.480 --> 00:28:46.720 go, ah, visual cue. Take a deep breath. Yep. 00:28:47.099 --> 00:28:50.440 pray to God, see what we can do. Yeah. Yeah. 00:28:50.559 --> 00:28:54.740 So like I have, um, on my wall in my bedroom, 00:28:54.799 --> 00:28:57.039 I have this like collage of pictures of different 00:28:57.039 --> 00:28:58.700 moments and people in my lives that are really 00:28:58.700 --> 00:29:00.980 important. But then I've written around it, this 00:29:00.980 --> 00:29:04.240 verse from Psalms that says, return to your rest. 00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:07.440 Oh my soul for the Lord has been good to you. 00:29:07.619 --> 00:29:10.539 Right. And just like in those moments where I'm 00:29:10.539 --> 00:29:12.920 laying on my bed, having an existential crisis, 00:29:13.059 --> 00:29:17.779 right. Just to be like, Oh wait, god was good 00:29:17.779 --> 00:29:19.920 and in each of these different moments in my 00:29:19.920 --> 00:29:22.019 life god provided me with community god provided 00:29:22.019 --> 00:29:26.700 me with beautiful spaces right and so i can turn 00:29:26.700 --> 00:29:29.700 to some of those people and be okay um or even 00:29:29.700 --> 00:29:31.619 if i'm you know that doesn't feel like the right 00:29:31.619 --> 00:29:33.920 thing to do in that moment just remembering god 00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:37.160 has always been there god has always provided 00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:41.640 i am not doing life on my own exactly right and 00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:44.559 it is that yeah just that like Thing on the wall 00:29:44.559 --> 00:29:46.420 that's like, this is what's happening right now. 00:29:46.599 --> 00:29:54.059 Yeah. I think one advice is, you know, when people 00:29:54.059 --> 00:29:56.859 actually try to give you advice or talk to you, 00:29:56.960 --> 00:30:00.819 you know, you can listen to it, but you also 00:30:00.819 --> 00:30:03.119 got to remember, where is it coming from? Sure. 00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:06.079 You know, if it's not coming from a Christian 00:30:06.079 --> 00:30:08.880 perspective, if it's not coming from a Bible 00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:13.460 believing church going Christian. And maybe it 00:30:13.460 --> 00:30:16.000 may not be the right answer. Sure. You know, 00:30:16.119 --> 00:30:19.279 it's like we need discernment. But we need discernment 00:30:19.279 --> 00:30:22.259 from God. Yeah. We need godly discernment. Sure. 00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:25.279 So if somebody is telling you a piece of advice 00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:27.140 or you should go do this or you should do that. 00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:32.220 Yeah. You know, I feel like it'll have more weight 00:30:32.220 --> 00:30:34.779 if it comes from a Christian. Sure. Because we're 00:30:34.779 --> 00:30:37.740 always trying to be Christ for it and doing trying 00:30:37.740 --> 00:30:40.890 to live our best. life as christians right yeah 00:30:40.890 --> 00:30:43.210 and and so therefore like surrounding yourself 00:30:43.210 --> 00:30:46.630 with the right people sort of becomes a reminder 00:30:46.630 --> 00:30:49.390 in and of itself right i mean often people will 00:30:49.390 --> 00:30:52.730 have like they have good intentions or they yep 00:30:52.730 --> 00:30:55.529 their heart is in the right place but they're 00:30:55.529 --> 00:30:59.349 you know they're they're not they're not followers 00:30:59.349 --> 00:31:02.049 of christ so it's like you kind of have to take 00:31:02.049 --> 00:31:05.740 it with a bit of grain of salt. Yeah. And sometimes 00:31:05.740 --> 00:31:08.680 we might need like just that reminder to be like, 00:31:08.859 --> 00:31:13.019 okay, maybe that sounded like advice that could 00:31:13.019 --> 00:31:16.339 in this situation be helpful or maybe it isn't, 00:31:16.339 --> 00:31:18.940 but then just remembering and going back to God 00:31:18.940 --> 00:31:21.480 and being like, wait, what did God say about 00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:24.380 this in the Bible? And just being like, I think 00:31:24.380 --> 00:31:26.380 even just like surrendering in that moment to 00:31:26.380 --> 00:31:28.839 be like, God, I'm just going to do what you. 00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:33.099 I love that you have like stuffies and like, 00:31:33.099 --> 00:31:34.859 you know, like little quotes and things like 00:31:34.859 --> 00:31:38.400 that. I recently got these like little tiny Jesus 00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:42.680 figures. I take it off. I don't know if I can 00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:47.480 say that. And then I just put him like the little 00:31:47.480 --> 00:31:49.920 figure like on my desk so that when I'm really 00:31:49.920 --> 00:31:52.920 stressed out at work or anything's happening, 00:31:52.980 --> 00:31:56.680 I just see that and I'm like, okay, God help 00:31:56.680 --> 00:31:59.599 me. And I just go in and I think it's, For a 00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:01.160 lot of people, it's like it doesn't even have 00:32:01.160 --> 00:32:03.700 to be like a small little figure. It doesn't 00:32:03.700 --> 00:32:05.339 have to be a cross. It doesn't even have to be 00:32:05.339 --> 00:32:07.420 close. It could be anything that just between 00:32:07.420 --> 00:32:10.960 you and God, you're like, I just need that visual 00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:13.779 reminder. And you just kind of keep it with you 00:32:13.779 --> 00:32:17.039 or around you so that. if people can't remind 00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:20.319 you, at least that can remind you. Yeah. There's 00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:24.019 this story in the book of Joshua. So the Israelites 00:32:24.019 --> 00:32:26.259 are going into the promised land. They've crossed 00:32:26.259 --> 00:32:29.700 over this river and the command from God is on 00:32:29.700 --> 00:32:31.400 the other side of this river that you've just 00:32:31.400 --> 00:32:33.839 crossed over miraculously. The river has sort 00:32:33.839 --> 00:32:35.700 of slowed so that the people could get across 00:32:35.700 --> 00:32:37.480 it because usually it was too much water and 00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:39.299 stuff. They get to the other side of the river 00:32:39.299 --> 00:32:44.849 and God is like, okay, now set up a stone monument 00:32:44.849 --> 00:32:48.829 so that when your kids are walking along this 00:32:48.829 --> 00:32:51.250 river and they say, what is that stone monument 00:32:51.250 --> 00:32:54.750 about? You can say, oh, that was a reminder that 00:32:54.750 --> 00:32:57.130 God helped us across this river, that God has 00:32:57.130 --> 00:32:59.490 been with us to bring us into this promised land. 00:33:00.309 --> 00:33:03.269 Now, I don't know what this stone monument looked 00:33:03.269 --> 00:33:06.230 like. It's possibly just a big pile of rocks 00:33:06.230 --> 00:33:08.950 because they took some rocks into the river and 00:33:08.950 --> 00:33:11.839 made a monument. it might not look like much 00:33:11.839 --> 00:33:15.519 to anybody really. But for those people in that 00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:19.720 moment, those rocks are a reminder of God's faithfulness. 00:33:19.740 --> 00:33:22.160 Right. And so. Visual cue. Yeah. A visual cue, 00:33:22.299 --> 00:33:24.720 a tangible cue, you know, like sometimes it's 00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:29.099 like, okay, just like go like take a rock, take 00:33:29.099 --> 00:33:32.839 a stick, a leaf, like a whatever it is, like 00:33:32.839 --> 00:33:35.819 maybe from a special place, from a special like 00:33:35.819 --> 00:33:38.220 moment that just is like a thing you can hold 00:33:38.220 --> 00:33:42.109 in your hand. To say, this is a reminder that 00:33:42.109 --> 00:33:44.710 God is with me. This is a reminder of a time 00:33:44.710 --> 00:33:48.609 when I know for real that God is real, that God 00:33:48.609 --> 00:33:51.529 is faithful. Yeah. It's a continued reminder 00:33:51.529 --> 00:33:54.089 he's always walking with me, too. Yeah, yeah. 00:33:54.210 --> 00:33:55.930 Never goes away. I can't get away from this guy. 00:33:56.150 --> 00:33:58.970 Yeah, sure. Yeah, yeah. Thank you for a good 00:33:58.970 --> 00:34:03.309 thing. Yeah. The world will try to make sure 00:34:03.309 --> 00:34:05.470 that you forget that, though. Sure. And that's 00:34:05.470 --> 00:34:09.969 why we have to. be reminded yeah we have to be 00:34:09.969 --> 00:34:12.190 really intentional about it for sure for sure 00:34:12.190 --> 00:34:16.210 um okay so we've talked about uh other people 00:34:16.210 --> 00:34:18.469 pouring into us we've talked about ways to sort 00:34:18.469 --> 00:34:20.909 of remind ourselves what about pouring our faith 00:34:20.909 --> 00:34:23.630 into other people how do we continue that chain 00:34:23.630 --> 00:34:26.650 um yeah are there examples that you can think 00:34:26.650 --> 00:34:29.210 of of ways that you have been able to pour into 00:34:29.210 --> 00:34:31.730 other people and and how that has impacted your 00:34:31.730 --> 00:34:35.159 faith I think I get to go back to my time at 00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:38.099 camp where it was a first. It was a bunch of 00:34:38.099 --> 00:34:40.199 leaders, just everyday leaders who were just 00:34:40.199 --> 00:34:43.039 a few years older than me who would pour knowledge 00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:45.059 into me. They would talk with me about, hey, 00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:47.239 this is what the word of God said. What do you 00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:49.179 think about these stories and challenge my beliefs? 00:34:50.059 --> 00:34:52.280 After that, I got to do kind of the same thing 00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:54.519 to others when I go, hey, maybe it's hanging 00:34:54.519 --> 00:34:56.300 out with friends or maybe it's going back to 00:34:56.300 --> 00:34:57.820 camp, but hanging out with people younger than 00:34:57.820 --> 00:35:00.369 me. Yeah. I would get to parrot some of the same 00:35:00.369 --> 00:35:02.409 things like, oh, this is a good challenge. What 00:35:02.409 --> 00:35:04.389 do you think? Yeah. And put it back onto them. 00:35:04.610 --> 00:35:07.070 But it doesn't have to be like sanctioned times 00:35:07.070 --> 00:35:09.030 like, hey, it's Sunday school. We're always going 00:35:09.030 --> 00:35:11.010 to come back to this, which is still a good thing. 00:35:11.050 --> 00:35:13.909 Sure. But it can happen at any given point. Yeah. 00:35:14.110 --> 00:35:15.889 Just walking down the street, have a question. 00:35:16.030 --> 00:35:18.269 Oh, I think I have a story that goes with this. 00:35:18.329 --> 00:35:20.309 And you can link it back. Sure. But it's through 00:35:20.309 --> 00:35:22.289 the little moments that are big. Yeah. Yeah. 00:35:22.530 --> 00:35:26.980 For sure. I would say so. Like I mentioned earlier, 00:35:27.219 --> 00:35:30.380 my mom and dad, they did not grow up Christian 00:35:30.380 --> 00:35:34.900 or in the church. And I am very blessed to have 00:35:34.900 --> 00:35:40.139 had that opportunity and to. know jesus um so 00:35:40.139 --> 00:35:42.840 i think even just like at home like whenever 00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:45.500 um i'm with my mom and dad i'm like i'm just 00:35:45.500 --> 00:35:48.699 gonna pray for you guys for your health for something 00:35:48.699 --> 00:35:52.000 um i'm just going to like sometimes we'll talk 00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:54.039 about like world events or things like that and 00:35:54.039 --> 00:35:57.280 then i connect it back to um what jesus said 00:35:57.280 --> 00:36:00.260 in the bible about revelation things like that 00:36:00.260 --> 00:36:03.360 right um and just being like how in these moments 00:36:03.360 --> 00:36:05.480 we have to be kind we have to keep serving each 00:36:05.480 --> 00:36:08.280 other um because that is something that jesus 00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:14.099 um did in the gospels and so in a way i i hope 00:36:14.099 --> 00:36:19.280 that i can pour that out to um my my parents 00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:24.500 and i hope that i can um maybe just again like 00:36:24.500 --> 00:36:26.480 rob said you you don't know you can't control 00:36:26.480 --> 00:36:29.579 the soil but just like planting those seeds um 00:36:29.579 --> 00:36:32.909 i think can be really powerful. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:36:33.090 --> 00:36:35.610 Yeah, at work or with friends, wherever. It's 00:36:35.610 --> 00:36:38.730 fun to see. Absolutely, yeah. Yeah, yeah. What 00:36:38.730 --> 00:36:44.969 about you, Amav? Like, I find, like, I'm able 00:36:44.969 --> 00:36:47.730 to talk a lot more about my faith with my life 00:36:47.730 --> 00:36:50.829 group. Sure. Or just doing sermon questions or 00:36:50.829 --> 00:36:55.170 so. Yep. And that definitely is a help, for sure. 00:36:56.269 --> 00:37:01.909 And then outside of the home, like, Once in a 00:37:01.909 --> 00:37:04.989 while, I might say something that relates to 00:37:04.989 --> 00:37:08.449 Christianity to my family, but it's still kind 00:37:08.449 --> 00:37:10.369 of a dicey thing. Cause I know there's going 00:37:10.369 --> 00:37:13.329 to be, I know there's resistance on all sides 00:37:13.329 --> 00:37:17.289 and it's sort of like you, you almost have to 00:37:17.289 --> 00:37:19.469 have like a numbness to it. Like, you know, that 00:37:19.469 --> 00:37:22.789 like, you, you know, that they're not followers, 00:37:22.889 --> 00:37:24.909 you know, that they're, they're stuck in their 00:37:24.909 --> 00:37:27.530 ways. You know, that there's going to be resistance, 00:37:27.730 --> 00:37:32.059 but I mean, Jesus, preached anywhere and everywhere. 00:37:32.360 --> 00:37:35.460 You know, it's, you know, it's like, I admire 00:37:35.460 --> 00:37:39.500 people that are bold Christians that are unapologetic 00:37:39.500 --> 00:37:42.800 Christians. Like, you know, like they'll say, 00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:46.079 you know, like, I mean, you look at street preachers, 00:37:46.139 --> 00:37:49.320 they'll talk to, they'll talk to, they'll go 00:37:49.320 --> 00:37:52.599 into the lion's den and they'll get cut and bruised, 00:37:52.619 --> 00:37:54.960 but they'll still go. Sure. You know, I'm not 00:37:54.960 --> 00:37:58.219 there yet. And I don't know that that's actually 00:37:58.219 --> 00:38:01.039 like, the model for everyone i don't think everyone 00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:02.460 is going to get there i don't think everyone 00:38:02.460 --> 00:38:04.760 needs to get there right like i think that that 00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:08.500 is yeah a way that some people pour in pour their 00:38:08.500 --> 00:38:10.579 faith into other people but i think that actually 00:38:10.579 --> 00:38:13.659 the most effective way to do it is super relationally 00:38:13.659 --> 00:38:16.539 right it's with the people that we see every 00:38:16.539 --> 00:38:19.320 day or that we see on a regular basis it's with 00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:23.659 um yeah whether it's very explicit, like, okay, 00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:25.440 I'm going to pray for you or, Oh, let's have 00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:27.559 an actual discussion about the Bible or about 00:38:27.559 --> 00:38:31.019 Jesus. Like that's definitely one way to do it. 00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:32.920 That works really well for some people, but sometimes 00:38:32.920 --> 00:38:35.519 it's just showing up. Sometimes it's just serving 00:38:35.519 --> 00:38:39.119 and loving like Jesus loves. Um, and, and doing 00:38:39.119 --> 00:38:43.199 those things that plant the seed. Yeah. Right. 00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:47.199 And then being willing and ready to water that 00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:50.599 seed as it grows. Right. But it starts, it starts 00:38:50.599 --> 00:38:55.519 with love. It starts with being authentic and 00:38:55.519 --> 00:38:58.079 being honest about who I am and what my faith 00:38:58.079 --> 00:39:01.360 is and why that's important. And other people 00:39:01.360 --> 00:39:02.900 will see that and they'll take an interest or 00:39:02.900 --> 00:39:05.199 not, but that's not, I don't get to control that. 00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:10.539 And sometimes you don't have to be what causes 00:39:10.539 --> 00:39:13.539 people to turn to Christ. You can be a step to 00:39:13.539 --> 00:39:17.110 it. Of course. I mean, I think. I think we all 00:39:17.110 --> 00:39:19.570 want that hero moment of, oh, I was the one that 00:39:19.570 --> 00:39:21.289 helped, you know, and I was the one that got 00:39:21.289 --> 00:39:23.869 them, right, you know? Yeah. But sometimes it's 00:39:23.869 --> 00:39:25.889 just, you know, you're a ripple in the pond. 00:39:26.050 --> 00:39:27.750 For sure. And you're just, yeah. I'm just there 00:39:27.750 --> 00:39:29.389 to help them along the way. Yeah. So I think 00:39:29.389 --> 00:39:31.190 it's important, even if there's resistance, it's 00:39:31.190 --> 00:39:33.210 always keeping the door open for them. For sure. 00:39:33.250 --> 00:39:35.269 Just in case. Yeah. You might say, no, that's 00:39:35.269 --> 00:39:37.829 totally fine. Door's here whenever you like it. 00:39:37.849 --> 00:39:39.030 Of course. It's ready whenever you are. Yeah. 00:39:39.030 --> 00:39:42.210 Which is why Christianity is about spreading 00:39:42.210 --> 00:39:45.139 the gospel, not about... converting people or 00:39:45.139 --> 00:39:47.739 changing people's hearts. For sure. Yeah. Thank 00:39:47.739 --> 00:39:49.900 you so much, folks. I think this has been a really 00:39:49.900 --> 00:39:52.500 helpful conversation to think about how faith 00:39:52.500 --> 00:39:55.199 is passed on, who pours into us, who we're pouring 00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:57.760 into and how to set up those really tangible 00:39:57.760 --> 00:40:00.860 reminders of God's faithfulness from generation 00:40:00.860 --> 00:40:03.719 to generation to generation. And thank you for 00:40:03.719 --> 00:40:06.139 tuning in to this week's episode of Trinity Talks. 00:40:06.139 --> 00:40:09.460 I pray that you have people who are pouring into 00:40:09.460 --> 00:40:11.460 and developing your faith and that you find ways 00:40:11.460 --> 00:40:13.719 to pour into and develop the faith of us. And 00:40:13.719 --> 00:40:15.219 we will see you again next week.