Hello, my name is Kyla and welcome to this week's
episode of Trinity Talks. My name is Amalvel.
I'm Melissa. And I'm Ben. And we are here to
continue our conversation about Growing Season,
which is this teaching series that we're undergoing
here at Trinity, where we're going back to the
farm to learn what the farm has to teach us all
about faith. And today we are talking about...
intergenerational sort of farms intergenerational
faith practices um and how often when you think
about like a family farm you'll like sometimes
see this is you know five generation family farms
like it's passed down from like great -great
-grandfather to great -grandfather to grandfather
to father to son so on and so forth um And I
think the same thing sometimes happens in our
faith. Not always, but sometimes it is that sense
of like, you know, we are families or at least
somebody told somebody who told us, right, that
we don't do this life of faith all alone. Yeah.
And so just as you think about that concept of
faith being passed down, as you think about sort
of the sermon, are there any pieces that really
sort of stand out to you? Well, for me, when
Rob was talking about the different type of links
in the chain, he talked about one of them being
the first link, which would describe my situation
for sure. I didn't grow up in a Christian family
or a Christian household. Even though with my
dad's side of the family, they grew up in the
Baptist church. one of my uncles came to christ
by the end of his life you know and and obviously
with my mom's side of the family they're all
muslims so that's not christian at all right
so so yeah i mean it You know, I definitely relate
to being a first link. Yeah, sure. And I think
that that that's a really maybe not like entirely
unique experience, but it's a it's a really sort
of different experience than being sort of the
second link or even like, you know, the fifth
link or whatever. In a way, it's all it can be
a lot more. In some ways, it can be a bit more
challenging. Sure. You know, yeah. But then again,
I mean, praise God, I was never fully. into Islam.
I didn't fully connect with it, you know? So
it helped, you know, the fact that I was sort
of, you know, I had this period, uh, between
leaving Islam and finding the church where I'm
like, well, I believe in God, but I'm don't follow
organized religion, you know? So it definitely
helped because I know it's like, if you're like
a developed Muslim, that's a very hard road to
break. That's a very, That's a very difficult
thing to break. Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What
about for you guys as you think about that? I
think going straight off, my thought process
went straight to the links as well. But I had
the different link. I was the strong link that
was being passed down. I grew up in a very Christian
household with loving parents who were amazing,
supportive and great brothers. So with all that
kind of like privilege and really nice starting
points. my process that i felt like responsible
for is how do i carry that on how do i shoot
this good chain going and not break it off or
let it just kind of sure rot in the dust yeah
yeah yeah what about you honestly i also thought
of the links as well which i think is really
cool that we all kind of um had that in our minds
and um kind of similar to your story i So my
family is also not very Christian. My mom and
dad, they did not grow up in the church. However,
the person who did tell me, you know, will start
bringing me to church when I was very young,
actually is my aunt. And she learned about Christianity
and about Jesus from her mother as well in China.
However, it's not a. that that's on the rare
side essentially um well it was then and um and
because of that like even though she told me
about you know let's go to church she loved just
being around the people she loved volunteering
in kids church um I felt like I still felt very
alone kind of in the process but I still do kind
of see her as the link as well and then I do
kind of relate to uh, being a first link as well
for, um, my family and hopefully for my future
children, God willing. Um, and just like you
said, it's a hard, it is, it can be really hard,
right? Sure. Because sometimes it feels like
if a link together, um, with lots of like those
little circles, I forgot what it was called.
Um, it's so strong, but sometimes when it is
just one, it feels kind of weak and it kind of
feels like, sure. you know what is it going to
hold up right and um but sometimes i just remind
myself that if god has made you to be the first
link there's a reason for that sure and ultimately
in a way god is the first link and then yeah
absolutely yeah that you're maybe like the first
bit of the link like in your immediate family
or maybe even in your extended family sometimes
but that yeah you're not you didn't come out
of nowhere yeah yeah right like your your faith
was fed into by someone right and and i think
that also then reminds me like when we think
about our family context of like the importance
of being linked as part of this chain outside
of our like biological families as well right
that being connected into christian community
um also helps to strengthen that chain and gives
us yeah spaces like even like for people you
know we as we think about Passing on faith. And
like if folks have mentioned, you know, coming
from like parents to kids or grandparents or
whatever. Right. Like that's great when that
happens. But not everybody has biological children.
Right. Not everybody has kids in their household.
Right. But who are the people that we can pour
into anyway? Yeah. It's also to say that we don't
have to just pour into the people closest to
us necessarily in a direct household, but you
can pour into anyone you're around, whether you're
around them often, whether it's your friends,
whether it's your coworkers, it can be anyone.
Yeah. Yeah. And then like, sometimes it's also
not like. generational or like age related really
like like sometimes i'm pouring into people who
are the same age as me sometimes i'm pouring
into people who are older than me and sometimes
you know older folks are pouring into me sometimes
younger folks are pouring into me right like
there's something about just like getting all
of these different experiences and people together
in a space that really builds our chain so that
it's more of like A web, I guess, than like a
single line. I think about actually the first
person who ever told me about Jesus. And it was
at a Chinese church that me and my parents went
to because we were looking for a community. I
think I was like four years old, but it was actually
the staff that was working in the kids church.
And she told me about Jesus. And I was like,
oh, this feels so lovely. Right. And then I just.
I think we just maybe didn't go back moving forward.
But I always remember her. And you're right.
It's like in my immediate family, I think of
myself as the first link. But actually, she was
the link that connected me. And then my aunt
built on that onto that. And then someone told
her. And I think it's just a testimony to how
cool. god is and the way that he works is just
really really cool yeah yeah and that's not to
like negate like if you feel like an individual
link in a chain like that is still really hard
and there are still like unique challenges that
come with that yeah um right and we get to be
part of this web of chains exactly yeah yeah
so as As you think about your sort of faith story,
are there people that you can think of who have
like taken that time to pour into you and to
help develop your faith? And like, yeah, what
what sort of impact did that have on on your
life? I mean, personally, I mean, I do know like
there were a few family members that that were
that are or that are kind of like legit Christians,
you know, Bible believing Christians, but. I
mean, I think for me, like what started, it was
just sort of funny enough, like YouTube watching,
you know, like the algorithm can work in a great
way, you know? And it's just, I started, you
know, I was looking at one subject and then that
leads to something else and something else. And,
you know, and so by the time I found Trinity
Church, I was already watching some Christian
content. Sure. But it wasn't, you know, it was.
based off my own interests sure yeah so yeah
no that's totally valid yeah yeah what what about
for you for me i get to have the backing of a
really nice family who sure helped me grow up
christian but my mom my dad were especially always
there for me helping me build just habits and
values into my routines as well as my grandparents
who are always there to help bring it up especially
during family events sure it was easter or christmas
chocolate is good presents are nice but it was
always the reminder like there's something more
important here sure yeah those were big factors
big figures in my life sure on top of that one
of the places i always love is a camp called
fair havens where me and my family would always
go just for every summer uh basically all the
way up until covid for as long as i can remember
And we just go there and hang out with tons of
different Christians, learning more about Jesus,
but also participating together in lots of different
activities that all just have like a little Jesus
twist on it. Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But all
those moments just build the habit of like every
day, no matter what you're doing, where you are,
Jesus is always with you and surrounding you.
And you always ask questions, whether it's people
younger than me playing with the kids who are
a lot younger and go, oh, hey, they actually
pick things up really quickly. They did that
better than I did. Yeah. Or learning from people
who have way more wisdom and experience than
me. Sure. Always just being surrounded by people
willing to give advice and support. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. And I just wanted to say as well,
like, that's really cool because I remember in
the sermon, Rob was kind of mentioning about
Camp Trinity and how, yes, it's really awesome
when the kids, you know, they're singing, they're
standing in the chairs, but faith is also being
grown in like those smaller moments, like bracelet
making. And when you mentioned like, you know,
just like your family and like the things that
your parents taught you, I think. That is an
example. It's like those smaller, more intimate
moments. Yeah. And I think that's really cool.
Thanks. I would say that for myself as well,
it's those smaller, intimate moments that we've
had with our life group, right? Like with you,
Kyla, and with Jackie and Jesse and Jordan and
Ira and all the people. I know I'm missing names.
Please don't be mad. It's just things like that.
it makes you want to keep coming back. Um, and
then it just kind of reminds you that God is
very relational. So when you are building those
relationships that you're kind of like, Oh, like
this is like kind of how it is with me and God.
And this is how, um, things get past generation
to generation or just, you know, people to people.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I think about in my own
sort of life and faith, just like all of the
people, who like took a risk on me like like
we're like hey kyla you can do this thing like
go go lead this thing or like hey like ask those
hard questions and like let's have those conversations
right and like it's yeah it's those moments of
people sort of yeah just taking that time to
sort of say you know yeah because similarly like
i grew up in a faith household so it wasn't necessarily
that i needed to be presented with who jesus
is and like the basics of the gospel but like
my faith journey was a lot of like figuring out
okay how do all the pieces fit together and like
how do i want to live and what do i want to believe
and in all of this right and so just having people
to dialogue that way right and having people
um who encouraged me and made me want to keep
showing up, even when it was confusing and hard
and messy. Yes. Right? You know, just feeling
like, yeah, there is a space. where I can bring
all of that. Right. And then also, I think, you
know, like the piece that you were sort of saying
a novel about like YouTube and like different
sort of online resources and whatever, like that
also really speaks to me because I think sometimes
like I'm first, I encounter something in someone
else or like in a conversation and I'm like,
huh, that's. an interesting faith piece that
I like haven't thought about before, but then
like other resources, other people that I will
never meet face to face have become the people
that have like helped me think through things
sort of differently. Yeah. Right. Sure. Yeah.
So it's, it's so neat. I think to think about
all of the links in the chain that are, that
are family, that are friends, that are pastors
or youth pastors that are authors and. people
that i will never meet right but they're all
people who have like poured into and shaped my
faith and we're all connected somehow and i think
it's also like um like for example trinity works
um with is it united way uh with world vision
oh sorry world vision to um support nueva frontera
and even just that is like like it's like a chain
is being made there, right? And so even when
we're tithing and it's going to, whether it's
tithing to Trinity, even if you're tithing to
other organizations to support Christians, I
think that's how chains are being made. If you're
volunteering at a shelter or a soup kitchen or
just meeting with people, that's also how chains
are being made as well. I actually saw a quote
on Instagram, which kind of speaks to the YouTube
like Internet thing where it said the best sermons
are the ones where you're showing people how
you love and how you live. And I think that's
especially for people who may not be in the faith.
Like, I think that's one of the best ways to
kind of build that link is that they see it through
you. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Yeah,
so the scripture passage that Rob read as part
of the sermon was from Deuteronomy chapter 6.
So I'm just going to read a couple of those verses
for you. So Deuteronomy chapter 6, starting at
verse 7. Actually, I'll start at verse 6. So
these commands I give you today are to be upon
your hearts. Impress them upon your children.
Talk about them when you sit at home and when
you walk along the road and when you lie down
and when you get up. Tie them as symbols on your
hands and bind them on your foreheads. Write
them on the door frames of your houses and on
your gates. And what stands out to me about those
verses is just this, like... Just talk about
it all the time in everyday moments, right? Talk
about it when you're sitting at home, when you're
walking on the road, when you're lying down,
when you're getting up, when you're entering
and exiting your home, like just in all of these
sort of ordinary everyday moments. That's where
faith is developed, where faith is shaped, where
faith is sort of passed on. Yeah. So like, like,
what do you think about that? Like, are there
ways that you can sort of see faith being shaped
or passed on in like ordinary everyday moments?
Yeah, I think oftentimes just the little conversations
with families or friends, the main area I see
where it's just daily struggles. Hey, I went
to work and this thing happened that I don't
know what happened here. It was not my favorite
interaction. Sure. And you have to have other
people who see it from a different perspective
and can offer advice like, oh, actually, this.
As a benefit, you can actually use this as a
really cool opportunity. Sure. Or the people
who just have different perspectives to help
you view it from a whole fresh new lens. Ways
that people can just speak to you and the little
everyday things are some of the best. Yeah, yeah,
yeah. I remember growing up a little while ago
in high school, I had a bunch of guinea pigs
that were all running around my room. Okay. But
every morning it was a little routine of like
I would get up, I would listen to the Bible just
as like a daily devotional while I fed the guinea
pigs, get them water, do whatever we need to.
And I'd go down and have breakfast and then talk
with whoever's at the table. Sure, yeah. The
little things, the little ways we can always
build into each other. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for
sure. I love that. I also love that you had guinea
pigs because I have a hamster, but I won't talk
about that because that could take so long. I
also feel like just volunteering with the kids
ministry here at Trinity Streetsville and just...
The amazing work that Megan and Moende and the
volunteers do to kind of talk about Jesus with
children. Like sometimes the children, they're
coming and we don't know, you know, what their
faith relationship is like, what home is kind
of like as well, like what their parents are
saying or doing. Making that environment, like
always bringing the topic back to Jesus, always
bringing the topic back to how much he loves
us and he loves them and he created them to be
beautiful and smart and kind and just doing it
in a way that's understandable and obviously
appropriate for young children as well. Always
bringing it back and then having activities,
too, where it's like you're doing a coloring
page and you're coloring Jesus and someone made
Jesus's hair green. And it's like, OK, well,
but like, you know, you're talking about Jesus
and things are happening. And I think that's
just another way to where I'm just always talking
about him. I was incorporating. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah, for sure. For sure. Yeah. Incorporating,
I guess for me, it's. just personal just making
sure that i'm always trying to pray every day
at some point sometimes it's sometimes it can
be difficult if you're not doing anything you're
not going anywhere you know like like because
it's like easy to do it like if i'm driving the
car or walking somewhere yeah you know but sometimes
it's like making it part of that everyday routine
yeah yeah yeah but i mean sometimes i see it
with just like like randomly i might pray for
somebody that i don't know but like i might feel
like i want to pray for that you know like and
not not with them but for them you know and just
sort of like i i guess i i guess it's sort of
like almost like a guerrilla style faith or something
you know kind of a thing yeah it's just like
in this moment this is what like yeah and so
being like tapped in and like listening for God's
spirit, like directing you. Like you almost feel
compelled to say something or to pray for something,
you know? Yeah. I remember, um, at one point
I was having a conversation with my partner about
like just different families and ways that families
talk and what they talk about and all these things.
Um, and one of the things that she said at one
point was like that she noticed how. easy and
how like natural it seemed in my family um for
faith to just be a lens yeah that we like had
all of our conversations through right and and
just like it just yeah it's so naturally part
of our dialogue and like i i think that that's
a huge blessing for me yeah right that's not
necessarily part of every family's story but
like So like one moment that comes to mind for
me when I think about, you know, everyday moments
and passing on faith was one summer. We were
like on a road trip and I'm sure. So I have three
siblings. So there's four kids and two parents
all stuffed into a van. It's probably super hot
and we've probably been on the road for a while.
And my parents are probably really annoyed with
us. And. My mom just like turns around and she's
like, OK, Josh, my brother, what's your favorite
Bible story? And then he says what his favorite
Bible story is. And she says, OK, now tell us
the story. And then she did that. with each of
us. Right. So we took some time on this road
trip where I'm sure she was just like, stop fighting
with each other. Absolutely. Right. But like,
it was just like, no, let's just chat about Bible
stories as we're driving along to wherever it
was we were going. I don't even really remember.
Right. But like, it was just that moment of being
like, oh yeah, we can just take some time. Yeah.
Be like in, we all, we all chat about all kinds
of really random things every day. And that's
great. But maybe some of those random things
could be, sometimes jesus -y yeah so it's like
i remember in long car rides similar for my family
we're like driving up to fair haven say or going
somewhere longer we would have audiobooks on
but usually the audiobooks that we'd have it'd
be like narnia or the screen tape letters thank
you c .s lewis yes yes but just things that can
challenge you too right they don't always have
to be the sit down philosophical of yes let's
all just think especially if you're dealing with
little kids sure But you can have little questions,
little challenges to engage people no matter
where you are. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Okay.
And then in Deuteronomy chapter six, verse 12,
it says, be careful that you do not forget the
Lord who brought you out of Egypt, out of the
land of slavery. So God has given them all these
commands. Make sure you do like talk about faith
every day. And then very specifically, don't
forget because God knows that people are often
kind of forgetful. Yes. Yeah. But why, why do
you think it is so easy for us to forget? who
God is and what God does. And like, how do we...
sort of combat that in some way. I think it's
really easy when we get caught up in what we're
doing, what we're actually working on. So whether
it's school, whether it's jobs, whether you're
just actually like an athlete or working on a
specific skill that you're trying to develop,
we often get caught in ignoring the fundamentals
where we came from focusing on, oh, what are
the little things I have to do? Oh, right. I
need to do X, Y, Z to add on to build myself.
Yeah. And we sometimes lose focus of why we were
there in the first place. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. And
I think it's, you know, human beings like we
are floods and has entered the world and so sometimes
i think it's also just like maybe like pride
or just like things but we're just what god has
gifted us so many things and then we just think
okay well i have to work really hard at school
i have to go to work and i have to do this i
have to do this and there's a lot of like eyes
that are happening right and i think just like
as the eyes are happening you forget that like
god is doing this with you right and But I think
it's just kind of that human thing. And so I
think that is why it's so important to be linked
and to be in community because people will remind
you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's easy for
people to forget because a lot of the times when
people call on God or talk to God or want to
spend time with God, it's in their darkest hours.
Sure. It's when things are going wrong. You know,
it's like I've heard the analogy of. uh of drinking
water right you know are you drinking water just
to stay hydrated or when you're really dehydrated
when you're really thirsty okay i'll go for that
water right you know and of course jesus is a
living water so that all ties together yeah you
know but i you know and it's like i think sometimes
you know like you you look at the story of jove
and he was tested by god and the devil with you
know will you still Praise me, remember me, thank
me, be faithful to me when you have nothing,
when I take everything away. But I think God
and the devil also test us when we have everything.
Sure. Will you remember? Will you still go to
church? Yep. You know, a whole different type
of challenge. Yeah. You know, do you still? is
church still one of the best parts of your week
right do you want to still be involved with your
life group are you still gonna donate that money
you know yeah you you have all this money you
worked hard for it why why do you need to give
things like that you know it's so it's it's a
different type of test sure yep sure and it's
so easy yeah in those good moments to feel like
we are we're comfortable Right. And like I'm
able to take care of myself. And and in the dark
moments, sometimes it's easy to be like, I need
to take care of myself. I need to figure this
out all on my own. Yeah. And so then, yeah, it
just we're just so I think myself especially,
maybe not everybody else. I don't know. But like
I'm like a very. like focused on the now kind
of person. Right. I can think longterm. I might,
my recall is less good. Right. But I'm like,
okay, this is what's happening right now. I need
to like figure it out. I need to like get all
the pieces together. Let's let's just be in the
moment. And, and so then it is hard for me to
say, oh yeah. Okay. Right now this is stressy,
but remember a couple of years ago when there
was also that stressy thing, we like got through
that. Right. Yeah. And like, yeah, just to remember
that God was faithful then and God is faithful
now. Yeah. His consistency. And even when you're
successful, I mean, yes, a big part of it is
your effort and your willingness to learn and
connections and growth and all that. But at the
end of the day, all of this is God's will. Yeah,
for sure. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. So are there
some like. practical sort of tips or ways that
you can think of that like might help us to set
up reminders for ourselves in those moments where
it's easy to forget so i know for me what let's
say a situation happens that's really hard that
i'm really i'm super anxious right i my emotions
will skyrocket. And because of that, I forget
that God is in control, that I can pray, you
know, that really when these things happen, the
first thing I should do is pray and go to God.
But I'm immediately like, oh my gosh, like this
is happening. Like, what do I do? What do I do?
What do I do? And I think it's when those moments
happen, like happen, start setting up the habit
or the pattern of just being like, okay god something
happened and i'm stressed just help me or just
god help me even like and start to kind of train
that within yourself because it's not something
that's going to happen immediately it might take
years for maybe your old emotional habits to
kind of become these new emotional habits um
but yeah just being like even just doing that
like just like as soon as you feel that anxiety
being like god help me and just going to try
to manage whatever's there yeah yeah just like
making sure that that's a routine yeah yeah absolutely
yeah it's like routines for me help a ton just
like if in the mornings what do you do and having
a set routine really can help build those habits
in so when things go off it's a lot easier to
snap back into oh right i remember this yeah
yeah yeah for sure the other thing i find really
helpful especially like throughout my school
like i just have a bunch of little stuffies and
pictures on my wall they're just nearby yeah
which they're just fun cute Sure. But it's really
nice to look at some of them and be like, okay,
there's still something, even if it's just not
animated, but it's still something to remind
me, okay, pause for a second and think. Yeah.
Go back. I like to remember elementary school
or Sunday schools where they had all sorts of
things posted on the walls of like Sunday verses
or pictures like crosses everywhere. But it's
just those little reminders to look and see something
go, ah, visual cue. Take a deep breath. Yep.
pray to God, see what we can do. Yeah. Yeah.
So like I have, um, on my wall in my bedroom,
I have this like collage of pictures of different
moments and people in my lives that are really
important. But then I've written around it, this
verse from Psalms that says, return to your rest.
Oh my soul for the Lord has been good to you.
Right. And just like in those moments where I'm
laying on my bed, having an existential crisis,
right. Just to be like, Oh wait, god was good
and in each of these different moments in my
life god provided me with community god provided
me with beautiful spaces right and so i can turn
to some of those people and be okay um or even
if i'm you know that doesn't feel like the right
thing to do in that moment just remembering god
has always been there god has always provided
i am not doing life on my own exactly right and
it is that yeah just that like Thing on the wall
that's like, this is what's happening right now.
Yeah. I think one advice is, you know, when people
actually try to give you advice or talk to you,
you know, you can listen to it, but you also
got to remember, where is it coming from? Sure.
You know, if it's not coming from a Christian
perspective, if it's not coming from a Bible
believing church going Christian. And maybe it
may not be the right answer. Sure. You know,
it's like we need discernment. But we need discernment
from God. Yeah. We need godly discernment. Sure.
So if somebody is telling you a piece of advice
or you should go do this or you should do that.
Yeah. You know, I feel like it'll have more weight
if it comes from a Christian. Sure. Because we're
always trying to be Christ for it and doing trying
to live our best. life as christians right yeah
and and so therefore like surrounding yourself
with the right people sort of becomes a reminder
in and of itself right i mean often people will
have like they have good intentions or they yep
their heart is in the right place but they're
you know they're they're not they're not followers
of christ so it's like you kind of have to take
it with a bit of grain of salt. Yeah. And sometimes
we might need like just that reminder to be like,
okay, maybe that sounded like advice that could
in this situation be helpful or maybe it isn't,
but then just remembering and going back to God
and being like, wait, what did God say about
this in the Bible? And just being like, I think
even just like surrendering in that moment to
be like, God, I'm just going to do what you.
I love that you have like stuffies and like,
you know, like little quotes and things like
that. I recently got these like little tiny Jesus
figures. I take it off. I don't know if I can
say that. And then I just put him like the little
figure like on my desk so that when I'm really
stressed out at work or anything's happening,
I just see that and I'm like, okay, God help
me. And I just go in and I think it's, For a
lot of people, it's like it doesn't even have
to be like a small little figure. It doesn't
have to be a cross. It doesn't even have to be
close. It could be anything that just between
you and God, you're like, I just need that visual
reminder. And you just kind of keep it with you
or around you so that. if people can't remind
you, at least that can remind you. Yeah. There's
this story in the book of Joshua. So the Israelites
are going into the promised land. They've crossed
over this river and the command from God is on
the other side of this river that you've just
crossed over miraculously. The river has sort
of slowed so that the people could get across
it because usually it was too much water and
stuff. They get to the other side of the river
and God is like, okay, now set up a stone monument
so that when your kids are walking along this
river and they say, what is that stone monument
about? You can say, oh, that was a reminder that
God helped us across this river, that God has
been with us to bring us into this promised land.
Now, I don't know what this stone monument looked
like. It's possibly just a big pile of rocks
because they took some rocks into the river and
made a monument. it might not look like much
to anybody really. But for those people in that
moment, those rocks are a reminder of God's faithfulness.
Right. And so. Visual cue. Yeah. A visual cue,
a tangible cue, you know, like sometimes it's
like, okay, just like go like take a rock, take
a stick, a leaf, like a whatever it is, like
maybe from a special place, from a special like
moment that just is like a thing you can hold
in your hand. To say, this is a reminder that
God is with me. This is a reminder of a time
when I know for real that God is real, that God
is faithful. Yeah. It's a continued reminder
he's always walking with me, too. Yeah, yeah.
Never goes away. I can't get away from this guy.
Yeah, sure. Yeah, yeah. Thank you for a good
thing. Yeah. The world will try to make sure
that you forget that, though. Sure. And that's
why we have to. be reminded yeah we have to be
really intentional about it for sure for sure
um okay so we've talked about uh other people
pouring into us we've talked about ways to sort
of remind ourselves what about pouring our faith
into other people how do we continue that chain
um yeah are there examples that you can think
of of ways that you have been able to pour into
other people and and how that has impacted your
faith I think I get to go back to my time at
camp where it was a first. It was a bunch of
leaders, just everyday leaders who were just
a few years older than me who would pour knowledge
into me. They would talk with me about, hey,
this is what the word of God said. What do you
think about these stories and challenge my beliefs?
After that, I got to do kind of the same thing
to others when I go, hey, maybe it's hanging
out with friends or maybe it's going back to
camp, but hanging out with people younger than
me. Yeah. I would get to parrot some of the same
things like, oh, this is a good challenge. What
do you think? Yeah. And put it back onto them.
But it doesn't have to be like sanctioned times
like, hey, it's Sunday school. We're always going
to come back to this, which is still a good thing.
Sure. But it can happen at any given point. Yeah.
Just walking down the street, have a question.
Oh, I think I have a story that goes with this.
And you can link it back. Sure. But it's through
the little moments that are big. Yeah. Yeah.
For sure. I would say so. Like I mentioned earlier,
my mom and dad, they did not grow up Christian
or in the church. And I am very blessed to have
had that opportunity and to. know jesus um so
i think even just like at home like whenever
um i'm with my mom and dad i'm like i'm just
gonna pray for you guys for your health for something
um i'm just going to like sometimes we'll talk
about like world events or things like that and
then i connect it back to um what jesus said
in the bible about revelation things like that
right um and just being like how in these moments
we have to be kind we have to keep serving each
other um because that is something that jesus
um did in the gospels and so in a way i i hope
that i can pour that out to um my my parents
and i hope that i can um maybe just again like
rob said you you don't know you can't control
the soil but just like planting those seeds um
i think can be really powerful. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, at work or with friends, wherever. It's
fun to see. Absolutely, yeah. Yeah, yeah. What
about you, Amav? Like, I find, like, I'm able
to talk a lot more about my faith with my life
group. Sure. Or just doing sermon questions or
so. Yep. And that definitely is a help, for sure.
And then outside of the home, like, Once in a
while, I might say something that relates to
Christianity to my family, but it's still kind
of a dicey thing. Cause I know there's going
to be, I know there's resistance on all sides
and it's sort of like you, you almost have to
have like a numbness to it. Like, you know, that
like, you, you know, that they're not followers,
you know, that they're, they're stuck in their
ways. You know, that there's going to be resistance,
but I mean, Jesus, preached anywhere and everywhere.
You know, it's, you know, it's like, I admire
people that are bold Christians that are unapologetic
Christians. Like, you know, like they'll say,
you know, like, I mean, you look at street preachers,
they'll talk to, they'll talk to, they'll go
into the lion's den and they'll get cut and bruised,
but they'll still go. Sure. You know, I'm not
there yet. And I don't know that that's actually
like, the model for everyone i don't think everyone
is going to get there i don't think everyone
needs to get there right like i think that that
is yeah a way that some people pour in pour their
faith into other people but i think that actually
the most effective way to do it is super relationally
right it's with the people that we see every
day or that we see on a regular basis it's with
um yeah whether it's very explicit, like, okay,
I'm going to pray for you or, Oh, let's have
an actual discussion about the Bible or about
Jesus. Like that's definitely one way to do it.
That works really well for some people, but sometimes
it's just showing up. Sometimes it's just serving
and loving like Jesus loves. Um, and, and doing
those things that plant the seed. Yeah. Right.
And then being willing and ready to water that
seed as it grows. Right. But it starts, it starts
with love. It starts with being authentic and
being honest about who I am and what my faith
is and why that's important. And other people
will see that and they'll take an interest or
not, but that's not, I don't get to control that.
And sometimes you don't have to be what causes
people to turn to Christ. You can be a step to
it. Of course. I mean, I think. I think we all
want that hero moment of, oh, I was the one that
helped, you know, and I was the one that got
them, right, you know? Yeah. But sometimes it's
just, you know, you're a ripple in the pond.
For sure. And you're just, yeah. I'm just there
to help them along the way. Yeah. So I think
it's important, even if there's resistance, it's
always keeping the door open for them. For sure.
Just in case. Yeah. You might say, no, that's
totally fine. Door's here whenever you like it.
Of course. It's ready whenever you are. Yeah.
Which is why Christianity is about spreading
the gospel, not about... converting people or
changing people's hearts. For sure. Yeah. Thank
you so much, folks. I think this has been a really
helpful conversation to think about how faith
is passed on, who pours into us, who we're pouring
into and how to set up those really tangible
reminders of God's faithfulness from generation
to generation to generation. And thank you for
tuning in to this week's episode of Trinity Talks.
I pray that you have people who are pouring into
and developing your faith and that you find ways
to pour into and develop the faith of us. And
we will see you again next week.