WEBVTT 00:00:03.209 --> 00:00:05.269 Hello, everyone, and welcome to this week's episode 00:00:05.269 --> 00:00:08.210 of Trinity Talks. My name is Kyla. My name is 00:00:08.210 --> 00:00:10.789 Amalvel. And my name is Ben. And we are here 00:00:10.789 --> 00:00:13.769 to continue talking about the Growing Season 00:00:13.769 --> 00:00:16.609 sermon series, where we are going back to the 00:00:16.609 --> 00:00:18.859 farm to learn what the farm... has to teach us 00:00:18.859 --> 00:00:21.719 about faith and today we're talking about the 00:00:21.719 --> 00:00:24.960 power of community on the farm and how you know 00:00:24.960 --> 00:00:27.539 farmers generally aren't out there doing it all 00:00:27.539 --> 00:00:29.960 by themselves whether they have you know hired 00:00:29.960 --> 00:00:32.759 hands or they have family or they have neighbors 00:00:32.759 --> 00:00:34.820 there's all kinds of people who like pitch in 00:00:34.820 --> 00:00:39.060 to sort of make that farm work and yeah get get 00:00:39.060 --> 00:00:44.030 all its farming done um Yeah. And so in our sermon 00:00:44.030 --> 00:00:46.850 today, Rob talked to us about, yeah, this idea 00:00:46.850 --> 00:00:50.270 of, you know, the farm, but also then how in 00:00:50.270 --> 00:00:53.729 our own lives, we were never meant to live life 00:00:53.729 --> 00:00:56.710 alone. Right. That even like if you go back to 00:00:56.710 --> 00:00:59.030 Genesis, the very first thing that God says is 00:00:59.030 --> 00:01:01.710 like, you know, it's not good for this man to 00:01:01.710 --> 00:01:03.909 be alone. They need someone to sort of be with 00:01:03.909 --> 00:01:07.129 them. Yeah. So I'm just wondering, as you guys 00:01:07.129 --> 00:01:09.629 sort of reflect on the sermon and all of the 00:01:09.629 --> 00:01:12.230 passage and things like that. Was there one piece 00:01:12.230 --> 00:01:15.519 that like really sort of stood out to you? I 00:01:15.519 --> 00:01:18.060 get to say the classic big piece, which is we 00:01:18.060 --> 00:01:20.780 are better together. Yeah. Especially right now 00:01:20.780 --> 00:01:23.280 in a world that seems a little bit more divisive 00:01:23.280 --> 00:01:25.920 as of late, especially through politics or honestly 00:01:25.920 --> 00:01:27.920 on a lot of different issues. Sure. But politics 00:01:27.920 --> 00:01:30.079 is the main one that comes to mind. But when 00:01:30.079 --> 00:01:32.560 we divide ourselves, we aren't as strong. But 00:01:32.560 --> 00:01:34.200 when we're able to connect even with each other, 00:01:34.260 --> 00:01:36.540 even if it's across political lines, to have 00:01:36.540 --> 00:01:38.920 those more meaningful conversations and even 00:01:38.920 --> 00:01:41.719 just help each other out, be willing to interact 00:01:41.719 --> 00:01:43.400 with people, help each other and talk through 00:01:43.400 --> 00:01:46.120 things. really makes a big difference yeah we're 00:01:46.120 --> 00:01:48.379 not meant to do it solo yeah yeah yeah for sure 00:01:48.379 --> 00:01:51.659 for sure and what about you a marvel uh what 00:01:51.659 --> 00:01:54.840 stood out is the the benefits of having community 00:01:54.840 --> 00:01:58.219 and the fact that you really you know it does 00:01:58.219 --> 00:02:01.299 it is it is a beneficial thing and especially 00:02:01.299 --> 00:02:04.180 i mean sometimes that can be a bit challenging 00:02:04.180 --> 00:02:07.260 to come across like especially if you're a loner 00:02:07.260 --> 00:02:10.360 usually like for me like that's how i grew up 00:02:10.360 --> 00:02:13.629 you know i was always like the one that Didn't 00:02:13.629 --> 00:02:17.289 really have friends. Wasn't, like, the social 00:02:17.289 --> 00:02:20.129 guy. Didn't want to be the social guy. Sure. 00:02:20.430 --> 00:02:22.750 You know? So me, myself, and I was plenty, thank 00:02:22.750 --> 00:02:25.250 you. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. I mean, I 00:02:25.250 --> 00:02:27.050 had that one best friend, and that was it, you 00:02:27.050 --> 00:02:31.009 know? But definitely, especially when things 00:02:31.009 --> 00:02:33.849 get challenging, it's nice to be able to have 00:02:33.849 --> 00:02:36.669 community. It's nice to have people that you 00:02:36.669 --> 00:02:39.770 can turn to and talk to. And I think sometimes 00:02:39.770 --> 00:02:42.789 you don't really discover it until... You're 00:02:42.789 --> 00:02:45.389 with a religious community. OK. Sometimes, you 00:02:45.389 --> 00:02:49.789 know, like like as a Christian community where, 00:02:49.909 --> 00:02:52.389 you know, we may come from different backgrounds, 00:02:52.509 --> 00:02:55.990 but Christ embedding our lives to Christ is what 00:02:55.990 --> 00:02:59.030 ties us all together. Right. You know, versus 00:02:59.030 --> 00:03:00.930 if you're, you know, just growing up in the public 00:03:00.930 --> 00:03:04.469 school system or or whatever, you know, you have 00:03:04.469 --> 00:03:06.650 people of other faiths or different faiths or 00:03:06.650 --> 00:03:08.949 don't believe anything or whatever, you know, 00:03:08.949 --> 00:03:12.860 it's. And yeah, okay, diversity is our strength 00:03:12.860 --> 00:03:15.379 and whatever. But at the same time, you also 00:03:15.379 --> 00:03:18.800 want to be able to have something that unifies 00:03:18.800 --> 00:03:22.509 you. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I think 00:03:22.509 --> 00:03:25.610 it's that like, so there's this verse in, in 00:03:25.610 --> 00:03:27.870 this passage in Ecclesiastes four, and that we'll 00:03:27.870 --> 00:03:29.590 maybe talk about later, but where it says, you 00:03:29.590 --> 00:03:32.189 know, that like two is better than one, but like 00:03:32.189 --> 00:03:34.650 a cord of three strands is not easily broken. 00:03:34.710 --> 00:03:36.590 Right. And so taking this and be like, yeah, 00:03:36.650 --> 00:03:39.430 you and me and like us as, as a human community 00:03:39.430 --> 00:03:41.770 together is really good. But when we introduce 00:03:41.770 --> 00:03:44.250 Christ into that, it just like strengthens and 00:03:44.250 --> 00:03:46.509 deepens that relationship. Like so much more. 00:03:46.750 --> 00:03:49.219 Yeah. Yeah. And just go back. to your point as 00:03:49.219 --> 00:03:50.879 well as someone who grew up in the public school 00:03:50.879 --> 00:03:53.240 but also in the church i think it's really fascinating 00:03:53.240 --> 00:03:55.159 where you can have communities in both places 00:03:55.159 --> 00:03:58.219 yeah with lots of great benefits to both but 00:03:58.219 --> 00:04:01.139 what the church does that's so like amazing is 00:04:01.139 --> 00:04:03.620 it really unifies people so effectively there's 00:04:03.620 --> 00:04:06.159 rarely been a case where i've come to a church 00:04:06.159 --> 00:04:08.139 and not have people immediately come up like 00:04:08.139 --> 00:04:10.879 hey right willing to join in conversation talk 00:04:10.879 --> 00:04:13.219 with you Whereas if you just like walk into a 00:04:13.219 --> 00:04:15.539 public school and say, hey, I'm here, you might 00:04:15.539 --> 00:04:18.860 get a few people just staring. Like, hey, nobody 00:04:18.860 --> 00:04:21.879 cares. It's like, let's get in and go to talk 00:04:21.879 --> 00:04:23.579 with the people. It's a little bit different. 00:04:23.800 --> 00:04:25.379 That's where the power of Christ is bringing 00:04:25.379 --> 00:04:27.560 people together is really meaningful. Yeah. Yeah. 00:04:27.620 --> 00:04:30.259 And I think especially when people are willing 00:04:30.259 --> 00:04:35.060 to like really lean into that. Right. That people 00:04:35.060 --> 00:04:37.680 are really willing to sort of say, hey, there 00:04:37.680 --> 00:04:40.500 are lots of different differences here. Right. 00:04:40.560 --> 00:04:42.490 There's lots. people from different backgrounds 00:04:42.490 --> 00:04:45.029 and experiences and language and ethnicity and 00:04:45.029 --> 00:04:47.610 genders and whatever. Right. But like Christ 00:04:47.610 --> 00:04:49.569 holds us all together and they're willing to 00:04:49.569 --> 00:04:52.149 sort of say, Hey, because you're here, like looking 00:04:52.149 --> 00:04:54.149 to follow Jesus, learning, looking to learn about 00:04:54.149 --> 00:04:56.769 Jesus, like let's figure it out together. Absolutely. 00:04:56.949 --> 00:04:58.689 Yeah. And it's where you can learn stuff from 00:04:58.689 --> 00:05:00.470 like other people of other backgrounds. You get 00:05:00.470 --> 00:05:02.529 to learn from them, but it's also one of the 00:05:02.529 --> 00:05:04.670 places you get to share Christ as well with others. 00:05:04.810 --> 00:05:06.889 Yeah. So it's great to like, I can learn stuff 00:05:06.889 --> 00:05:09.620 from you, but also. if I'm only ever around Christians, 00:05:09.939 --> 00:05:11.939 I never get to share my faith as well with others. 00:05:12.040 --> 00:05:15.019 Right. So yeah, great duality. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 00:05:15.060 --> 00:05:19.439 for sure. So when you think about this sort of 00:05:19.439 --> 00:05:22.259 message of community and like, you know, needing 00:05:22.259 --> 00:05:24.560 each other and that sort of thing, do you think 00:05:24.560 --> 00:05:28.660 that that really sort of is mirrored in like 00:05:28.660 --> 00:05:30.879 our culture's values and beliefs? Or is it sort 00:05:30.879 --> 00:05:34.750 of like opposed in some way? I think when it 00:05:34.750 --> 00:05:37.790 comes to mental health, people are really starting 00:05:37.790 --> 00:05:42.250 to come back to community. But I think as well, 00:05:42.389 --> 00:05:45.470 you know, especially even with the pandemic after 00:05:45.470 --> 00:05:48.389 and all that. The thing is, is that a lot of 00:05:48.389 --> 00:05:51.389 people have online communities. Yeah. Oh, yeah. 00:05:51.509 --> 00:05:56.290 And really that for me, I'm not a social guy. 00:05:56.449 --> 00:05:58.310 You know, I'm more of an introvert, but even 00:05:58.310 --> 00:06:01.110 me. If I'm going to have interactions, I need 00:06:01.110 --> 00:06:03.569 it. It has to be face to face. Sure. You know, 00:06:03.589 --> 00:06:06.149 like honest, like, OK, like we could have this 00:06:06.149 --> 00:06:09.589 podcast on different screens, you know. But I 00:06:09.589 --> 00:06:12.050 mean, it's not the same as being face to face. 00:06:12.050 --> 00:06:13.889 You know, there's no lagging. There's no nothing. 00:06:15.269 --> 00:06:17.569 Nobody's cutting out or anything like that. Yeah. 00:06:18.050 --> 00:06:21.050 And I mean, I think it's just it's like I think 00:06:21.050 --> 00:06:22.930 we just have to remember to go back to the roots 00:06:22.930 --> 00:06:26.589 of before, you know, the interconnected world, 00:06:26.829 --> 00:06:30.560 really. I mean, sure. But I think it's a generational 00:06:30.560 --> 00:06:33.879 thing. I always like to say it's like when I 00:06:33.879 --> 00:06:36.439 grew up playing video games, if there was a two 00:06:36.439 --> 00:06:39.339 -player game, you and that person have to be 00:06:39.339 --> 00:06:42.620 in the same room. There's no online play. It's 00:06:42.620 --> 00:06:46.040 like you sit here, I sit there, and we have fun. 00:06:46.300 --> 00:06:50.160 Now everything is online this, online that, online 00:06:50.160 --> 00:06:54.819 communities. I guess it can work for some people, 00:06:54.899 --> 00:06:58.180 but you know, I just find like there's more joy 00:06:58.180 --> 00:07:01.160 when it's everybody's together in the same room. 00:07:01.259 --> 00:07:03.540 And I mean, that's also where you can develop 00:07:03.540 --> 00:07:07.000 humor that way because everything is, it's fast 00:07:07.000 --> 00:07:09.759 paced. It's you're reactive, you know? Sure. 00:07:09.860 --> 00:07:11.540 And you get to read the people a lot better. 00:07:11.579 --> 00:07:14.000 It's way easier to read like body language when 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:17.180 you can see them. Yeah, for sure. For sure. Yeah. 00:07:17.300 --> 00:07:18.720 Yeah. So I think you're right that there are 00:07:18.720 --> 00:07:22.189 some ways that like, yeah, our culture. is sort 00:07:22.189 --> 00:07:25.470 of moving towards a bit more independence or 00:07:25.470 --> 00:07:28.589 yeah sort of away from traditional ideas of community 00:07:28.589 --> 00:07:30.850 i do think online community works well for some 00:07:30.850 --> 00:07:32.689 people and like for them it's great i'm sort 00:07:32.689 --> 00:07:34.370 of in a similar boat where like i would much 00:07:34.370 --> 00:07:37.529 rather chill with people face to face but yeah 00:07:37.529 --> 00:07:39.670 that's i don't know that's my experience like 00:07:39.670 --> 00:07:41.970 i get both camps and i have multiple friends 00:07:41.970 --> 00:07:44.870 who i've like barely ever seen in person if ever 00:07:44.870 --> 00:07:47.529 and i get to hang with them like weekly and have 00:07:47.529 --> 00:07:50.399 tons of phone online But it's a different in 00:07:50.399 --> 00:07:51.879 a different relationship in that sense. Sure. 00:07:51.959 --> 00:07:53.800 Great friends. But I actually don't know what 00:07:53.800 --> 00:07:56.279 you look like. Yeah. Versus in person. I get 00:07:56.279 --> 00:07:58.560 to come in and I see all the friends, whether 00:07:58.560 --> 00:08:00.600 it's here at Trinity or just playing with my 00:08:00.600 --> 00:08:02.879 twin. Hey, awesome. Let's go play at the park. 00:08:02.959 --> 00:08:04.800 Let's go run. It's a very different dynamic. 00:08:04.959 --> 00:08:08.560 Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So when you think about 00:08:08.560 --> 00:08:11.620 like our culture and that idea of like. Interdependence 00:08:11.620 --> 00:08:13.560 versus independence. Like, yeah, where do you 00:08:13.560 --> 00:08:16.360 see the tensions and mirrors? Some of the tensions 00:08:16.360 --> 00:08:18.660 I get to see is both in different cultures. I 00:08:18.660 --> 00:08:20.839 think in our culture, it's much more individualistic, 00:08:20.860 --> 00:08:23.040 where we're a lot more focused on the individual 00:08:23.040 --> 00:08:25.819 being self -sustaining, just like that lone farmer 00:08:25.819 --> 00:08:29.189 myth. Whereas I think as we're slowly realizing, 00:08:29.410 --> 00:08:31.910 hey, being alone seems really not great for mental 00:08:31.910 --> 00:08:34.570 health. Yeah. We're slowly coming back to, OK, 00:08:34.690 --> 00:08:36.210 connection actually does have a lot more benefits. 00:08:36.389 --> 00:08:39.529 And in my practice or in my schooling for psychology, 00:08:39.830 --> 00:08:41.350 a lot of people, there seems some psychologists 00:08:41.350 --> 00:08:44.049 who say we only really heal when we're actually 00:08:44.049 --> 00:08:46.289 connected with others. Right. It's very hard 00:08:46.289 --> 00:08:49.230 to heal just on your own. Sure. Yeah. So that 00:08:49.230 --> 00:08:51.370 I think that's really interesting to think about, 00:08:51.409 --> 00:08:53.250 like the mental health side and the like. that 00:08:53.250 --> 00:08:55.330 healing is only really possible in community, 00:08:55.570 --> 00:08:57.889 because I think a lot of people would react to 00:08:57.889 --> 00:08:59.990 that and say, well, community was what hurt me. 00:09:00.090 --> 00:09:02.850 Yes. Right. Like other people are the problem. 00:09:03.070 --> 00:09:07.169 Absolutely. Right. I was doing fine. Sort of 00:09:07.169 --> 00:09:10.289 a double edged sword, really. Yes. It's about 00:09:10.289 --> 00:09:13.309 like finding the right. group of people yeah 00:09:13.309 --> 00:09:15.309 you know who you surround yourself with matters 00:09:15.309 --> 00:09:19.289 yeah so how do you think we like navigate that 00:09:19.289 --> 00:09:22.490 tension of like okay people are sometimes the 00:09:22.490 --> 00:09:25.909 problem people are also the solution to the problem 00:09:25.909 --> 00:09:28.080 people are the place of healing like What does 00:09:28.080 --> 00:09:31.320 it look like to navigate that tension? Some of 00:09:31.320 --> 00:09:32.860 the things that I think about is like you, people 00:09:32.860 --> 00:09:34.580 will say you have your circles, you have your 00:09:34.580 --> 00:09:37.320 people. Yeah. And you can interact with all sorts 00:09:37.320 --> 00:09:39.240 of people. But I think it's good to both have 00:09:39.240 --> 00:09:41.659 a home base of a support group, like a life group 00:09:41.659 --> 00:09:44.139 or people who you can really trust. Sure. But 00:09:44.139 --> 00:09:46.740 also still be able to interact with others, try 00:09:46.740 --> 00:09:48.539 to have like more diverse conversations, more 00:09:48.539 --> 00:09:50.990 challenging conversations. If there's situations 00:09:50.990 --> 00:09:53.590 where it's not really the healthiest, then I 00:09:53.590 --> 00:09:55.509 think it's the ability to say, hey, I can respect 00:09:55.509 --> 00:09:57.669 you as a person. You're made in God's image. 00:09:57.889 --> 00:10:00.230 That's awesome. I'm going to respect you just 00:10:00.230 --> 00:10:02.490 at a slight distance. Sure. You know, they're 00:10:02.490 --> 00:10:04.809 happy to interact in pleasantries and conversations. 00:10:05.169 --> 00:10:08.129 But if it's not healthy, then there's ways of, 00:10:08.169 --> 00:10:10.769 OK, how can we distance just a little bit? Sure. 00:10:10.809 --> 00:10:13.669 Yeah. Yeah. Or that's where you kind of put on 00:10:13.669 --> 00:10:15.549 your own mask kind of a thing, because it's like, 00:10:15.549 --> 00:10:17.950 you know, there's different ways of, you know, 00:10:17.950 --> 00:10:24.789 like. For example, if you're in sales or interacting 00:10:24.789 --> 00:10:28.509 with customers, you're going to be one way versus 00:10:28.509 --> 00:10:31.029 if you're with your friends versus with your 00:10:31.029 --> 00:10:33.909 family. But sometimes you have to treat that 00:10:33.909 --> 00:10:37.649 as well when it comes to groups where you're 00:10:37.649 --> 00:10:39.649 polite, you're respectful with certain people, 00:10:39.789 --> 00:10:43.129 but you also have a core people like these are 00:10:43.129 --> 00:10:46.509 my people. I can definitely relate because... 00:10:47.279 --> 00:10:50.480 While I am Christian, most of my family is not 00:10:50.480 --> 00:10:53.320 Christian. Gotcha. On both sides of the family. 00:10:53.379 --> 00:10:56.019 And on my mom's side of the family, they're pretty 00:10:56.019 --> 00:11:00.039 much Muslim. Okay. So, you know, even when there's 00:11:00.039 --> 00:11:02.899 get togethers in my house or whatever, you know, 00:11:02.899 --> 00:11:05.480 it's a whole bunch of Muslims. So, you know. 00:11:05.559 --> 00:11:07.360 A little bit more diversity. So, you know, I 00:11:07.360 --> 00:11:10.919 have to interact and be respectful and be Christlike 00:11:10.919 --> 00:11:14.100 and all of that. Yeah. But. I find my joy when 00:11:14.100 --> 00:11:16.620 I come to church. That's my people. Yeah. You 00:11:16.620 --> 00:11:19.299 know? Yes. My like group. That's my people. Mm 00:11:19.299 --> 00:11:21.679 -hmm. You know? The rest of the time, it's just 00:11:21.679 --> 00:11:24.759 sort of, you just do the best you can. Yeah. 00:11:24.799 --> 00:11:26.600 You know? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's kind of 00:11:26.600 --> 00:11:28.480 the idea of being a good ambassador. Mm -hmm. 00:11:28.480 --> 00:11:30.179 The point of ambassador is to, like, go to the 00:11:30.179 --> 00:11:32.220 other places and speak well on their behalf, 00:11:32.440 --> 00:11:34.419 but you also still have a home to go back to 00:11:34.419 --> 00:11:36.659 at some point. Yeah. And it is challenging because 00:11:36.659 --> 00:11:39.259 it's like, there's things that come up in my 00:11:39.259 --> 00:11:42.159 life that, you know, like, I don't want to, like, 00:11:42.480 --> 00:11:43.860 I don't want to say because they're not going 00:11:43.860 --> 00:11:46.559 to understand. They're not going to care. For 00:11:46.559 --> 00:11:50.679 me, I'm still looking for work, but I'm trying 00:11:50.679 --> 00:11:52.879 to make it so that I'm still able to attend my 00:11:52.879 --> 00:11:55.100 life group on Wednesday and still be able to 00:11:55.100 --> 00:12:00.320 go to church on Sunday. So I can't be like, well, 00:12:00.480 --> 00:12:03.759 the job mark is not that great because all these 00:12:03.759 --> 00:12:06.799 jobs don't work for me. They're not going to 00:12:06.799 --> 00:12:08.440 care or they're going to say, oh, maybe you're 00:12:08.440 --> 00:12:12.110 making excuses or whatever. i can't interact 00:12:12.110 --> 00:12:15.330 in that way so you just sort of like in some 00:12:15.330 --> 00:12:17.659 ways you gotta sort of like compartmentalize 00:12:17.659 --> 00:12:20.200 sure and yeah and you need to find the right 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:23.480 group of people that you can be fully honest 00:12:23.480 --> 00:12:25.759 with and that you can be like yeah here's all 00:12:25.759 --> 00:12:27.879 of the things that i'm trying to work through 00:12:27.879 --> 00:12:31.919 and who ideally come from a same or a similar 00:12:31.919 --> 00:12:34.759 set of like values and ways of thinking about 00:12:34.759 --> 00:12:37.440 the world that yeah that can help you through 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:40.320 that so that they're not like oh well you should 00:12:40.320 --> 00:12:43.200 just try it this way you're like oh do this thing 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:46.179 that like you wouldn't feel good about Right, 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:48.460 right. Yeah. It's like when the priorities and 00:12:48.460 --> 00:12:50.659 values are very different, it leads to be very 00:12:50.659 --> 00:12:52.539 hard to get proper advice that you feel good 00:12:52.539 --> 00:12:55.340 about and actually act on. For sure, for sure. 00:12:55.340 --> 00:12:57.299 Hard to feel understood or valued. Yeah, yeah, 00:12:57.340 --> 00:13:01.320 yeah, yeah. So then in like Christian community, 00:13:01.559 --> 00:13:04.759 sometimes we, yeah, we talk about this sort of 00:13:04.759 --> 00:13:06.659 word of like Christian community or we talk about, 00:13:06.679 --> 00:13:09.620 you know. folks who like do life together or 00:13:09.620 --> 00:13:12.720 like that sort of a thing so okay this all sounds 00:13:12.720 --> 00:13:15.519 cool what what does that look like like what 00:13:15.519 --> 00:13:18.620 does it mean to be in community with other people 00:13:18.620 --> 00:13:22.519 i i think for me it just means it does it means 00:13:22.519 --> 00:13:24.919 that like if you have the opportunity to go out 00:13:24.919 --> 00:13:28.100 somewhere it doesn't have to be a christian event 00:13:28.100 --> 00:13:31.100 but you're you're surrounding your your circle 00:13:31.100 --> 00:13:34.159 that you're around is christian okay so you know 00:13:34.159 --> 00:13:36.440 again you don't have to be like oh well i'll 00:13:36.440 --> 00:13:40.159 only go out if it's uh uh some christian artist 00:13:40.159 --> 00:13:42.399 is performing then i'll go out with you know 00:13:42.399 --> 00:13:45.700 it's like sure you can just be like uh you know 00:13:45.700 --> 00:13:48.320 let's go to a coffee shop and have and hang out 00:13:48.320 --> 00:13:52.960 or there's uh you know there's a free barbecue 00:13:52.960 --> 00:13:55.299 in the park let's go and hang out you know sure 00:13:55.299 --> 00:13:58.100 is that you're just it's just a man it's just 00:13:58.849 --> 00:14:03.850 I think when you're living in the Christian community, 00:14:04.889 --> 00:14:07.970 I think what it means is that you're able to 00:14:07.970 --> 00:14:10.769 be as open as possible. Because again, there 00:14:10.769 --> 00:14:14.529 are things that happen in your life or things 00:14:14.529 --> 00:14:17.029 that come up that you're like, I want to say 00:14:17.029 --> 00:14:20.409 something, but I can't. And if it's a good Christian 00:14:20.409 --> 00:14:22.789 community, you should be able to say anything 00:14:22.789 --> 00:14:26.409 and everything. Sure. Yeah. yeah you may be challenged 00:14:26.409 --> 00:14:28.789 on it but it's the idea that they're able to 00:14:28.789 --> 00:14:31.669 listen and not just judge you entirely for it 00:14:31.669 --> 00:14:34.690 yeah guide you so it's the guide them gently 00:14:34.690 --> 00:14:38.649 shepherd the people don't just yell up yes and 00:14:38.649 --> 00:14:40.549 i mean obviously as christians sometimes we have 00:14:40.549 --> 00:14:43.289 different competing views on the things you know 00:14:43.289 --> 00:14:46.580 yeah There's so many theories about, everybody's 00:14:46.580 --> 00:14:49.860 got a theory about the revelation and times and 00:14:49.860 --> 00:14:53.519 pre -trip, strip, rapture. Is there anything 00:14:53.519 --> 00:14:56.539 like that? Who gets into heaven and all this 00:14:56.539 --> 00:15:00.820 kind of stuff. But the fundamentals are the same. 00:15:03.440 --> 00:15:05.259 there's the common ground being able to help 00:15:05.259 --> 00:15:07.120 each other out where we can challenge where we 00:15:07.120 --> 00:15:09.860 can and we'll learn from each other even through 00:15:09.860 --> 00:15:12.480 the disagreements yeah yeah yeah yeah for sure 00:15:12.480 --> 00:15:14.919 um what about for you ben like when you think 00:15:14.919 --> 00:15:16.940 about like what does christian community look 00:15:16.940 --> 00:15:19.450 like what would you sort of say To me, it looks 00:15:19.450 --> 00:15:21.590 a little bit more mundane than you might expect, 00:15:21.730 --> 00:15:23.529 but it just feels like Christians leaning on 00:15:23.529 --> 00:15:25.629 other Christians. Whether that's day -to -day 00:15:25.629 --> 00:15:27.309 interactions, just saying, hey, how was your 00:15:27.309 --> 00:15:29.610 day? Or catching up with people. Or it's when 00:15:29.610 --> 00:15:31.710 people start to go through hard times, being 00:15:31.710 --> 00:15:34.250 able to ask for help or lean on it. Or notice 00:15:34.250 --> 00:15:36.669 someone else might want a little extra help or 00:15:36.669 --> 00:15:39.690 need something. Right. It's not just doing everything 00:15:39.690 --> 00:15:41.909 solo, then coming to church, saying hi, and then 00:15:41.909 --> 00:15:44.779 go home. yeah we can all interact and actually 00:15:44.779 --> 00:15:47.440 like help each other through daily life so whether 00:15:47.440 --> 00:15:49.480 it's coming in just saying hey life group just 00:15:49.480 --> 00:15:51.840 being with each other just simply being there 00:15:51.840 --> 00:15:54.419 with someone is really helpful or if you need 00:15:54.419 --> 00:15:57.259 challenging questions needs a answer to say i 00:15:57.259 --> 00:15:59.320 don't really know what to do here or i had something 00:15:59.320 --> 00:16:02.230 hard come up having people have your back and 00:16:02.230 --> 00:16:04.850 be able to support you is really big and so especially 00:16:04.850 --> 00:16:07.250 if you come under faith together have that connection 00:16:07.250 --> 00:16:09.750 to underlie it just makes it them stronger yeah 00:16:09.750 --> 00:16:13.029 yeah yeah and that like requires that's like 00:16:13.029 --> 00:16:16.529 costly and like risky i think right because it's 00:16:16.529 --> 00:16:19.669 it's so easy for us to just be like oh i'll just 00:16:19.669 --> 00:16:22.169 come to church like do the church service thing 00:16:22.169 --> 00:16:24.669 yeah maybe get my coffee and cookie and like 00:16:24.669 --> 00:16:27.769 hide in the corner and then just like be like 00:16:27.769 --> 00:16:30.850 no i'm gone right but like to be like no i actually 00:16:30.850 --> 00:16:33.429 want to like stop and and like build relationships 00:16:33.429 --> 00:16:35.889 and like ask people about their life and allow 00:16:35.889 --> 00:16:38.889 people to ask me about my life yeah right like 00:16:38.889 --> 00:16:42.549 that that's risky engage in both ways yeah yeah 00:16:42.549 --> 00:16:47.830 yeah yeah um but i think it's so worthwhile when 00:16:47.830 --> 00:16:51.210 you can do it really well right like i yeah i 00:16:51.210 --> 00:16:53.970 just think about different communities or like 00:16:53.970 --> 00:16:55.909 groups of people that i've been part of in different 00:16:55.909 --> 00:16:59.539 moments of my life and just having Somebody that 00:16:59.539 --> 00:17:01.899 I can just go to and be like, hey. This was a 00:17:01.899 --> 00:17:03.840 terrible day. And they were like, yeah, that 00:17:03.840 --> 00:17:05.940 sounds bad. Want to go like get some ice cream? 00:17:06.059 --> 00:17:09.220 Yeah. Right. It makes it much better. Yeah. Yeah. 00:17:09.619 --> 00:17:11.960 Right. Or just, yeah, those people who can be 00:17:11.960 --> 00:17:14.099 like, yeah, that sounds really hard. Or like, 00:17:14.140 --> 00:17:16.539 yeah, like let's like talk through this complicated 00:17:16.539 --> 00:17:19.000 thing together and like just having a sounding 00:17:19.000 --> 00:17:21.779 board for some of that. Absolutely. Yeah. Especially 00:17:21.779 --> 00:17:23.640 with having a community like training where you 00:17:23.640 --> 00:17:25.619 have a lot of people. Yeah. It's even better 00:17:25.619 --> 00:17:27.299 because you get to have like good friends and 00:17:27.299 --> 00:17:29.059 people who connect with really well. But there's 00:17:29.059 --> 00:17:31.000 also all sorts of people with expertise. and 00:17:31.000 --> 00:17:32.640 backgrounds were like, hey, maybe I'm having 00:17:32.640 --> 00:17:34.220 financial troubles. Maybe there's someone here 00:17:34.220 --> 00:17:36.200 who's good at finance. Hey, maybe I have a question 00:17:36.200 --> 00:17:38.579 about like theology. Oh, I think Pastor Rob might 00:17:38.579 --> 00:17:41.400 be okay with that. You can have people with all 00:17:41.400 --> 00:17:43.500 sorts of expertise that you can lean on and ask 00:17:43.500 --> 00:17:46.019 for help. It's great. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. 00:17:46.700 --> 00:17:48.579 And I think the other thing that comes to mind 00:17:48.579 --> 00:17:52.339 for me is like sometimes people will think about... 00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:54.279 christian community and they'll like make it 00:17:54.279 --> 00:17:56.380 into this whole big thing that it that it can 00:17:56.380 --> 00:17:58.299 be right like there's such a thing as like intentional 00:17:58.299 --> 00:18:00.279 christian communities where people are like yeah 00:18:00.279 --> 00:18:02.079 we're gonna like live together and we're gonna 00:18:02.079 --> 00:18:04.140 like share all of our meals and pool financial 00:18:04.140 --> 00:18:06.799 resources and that's super cool and like great 00:18:06.799 --> 00:18:09.980 for the people that that works for but like that's 00:18:09.980 --> 00:18:11.880 not the only way to do christian community not 00:18:11.880 --> 00:18:14.039 the only way yeah right that like being part 00:18:14.039 --> 00:18:16.220 of a life group showing up on sunday morning 00:18:16.220 --> 00:18:18.619 just like being like hey let's go out for coffee 00:18:18.619 --> 00:18:20.599 with just like one or two other people like that 00:18:20.599 --> 00:18:23.660 is also sort of Christian community, I think. 00:18:23.880 --> 00:18:26.619 Yeah. Even if I'm playing online video games 00:18:26.619 --> 00:18:28.059 with friends who are still Christians, that's 00:18:28.059 --> 00:18:29.440 still a Christian community. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:18:29.440 --> 00:18:32.180 Totally bad. For sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think 00:18:32.180 --> 00:18:34.720 sometimes, though, it's like, I wonder how well 00:18:34.720 --> 00:18:36.859 we're doing as a community compared to other 00:18:36.859 --> 00:18:39.380 communities. Okay. Because it's like, I've heard, 00:18:39.500 --> 00:18:43.299 like, I've heard of, like, Muslim communities 00:18:43.299 --> 00:18:47.039 and Hindu communities where there'll be a mosque 00:18:47.039 --> 00:18:51.279 or a temple. Mm -hmm. And... The people that 00:18:51.279 --> 00:18:53.980 are in the neighborhood are all of that community. 00:18:54.119 --> 00:18:57.480 So they all walk over together. They all commune 00:18:57.480 --> 00:19:00.359 together. You know, they're all interacting. 00:19:00.460 --> 00:19:02.940 You know, your neighbors are of the same faith. 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:05.720 You know what I mean? And so it's like, do we 00:19:05.720 --> 00:19:09.880 have really that in our community? Yeah. Yeah. 00:19:10.019 --> 00:19:13.940 Yeah. I think that level of community, like also 00:19:13.940 --> 00:19:18.569 I think is requires a different kind of. culture 00:19:18.569 --> 00:19:21.730 and ethos in some extent that doesn't always 00:19:21.730 --> 00:19:27.210 translate i think in especially in urban western 00:19:27.210 --> 00:19:31.089 environments maybe this is my you know small 00:19:31.089 --> 00:19:34.569 town rural bias coming out but like yeah i think 00:19:34.569 --> 00:19:38.789 it's i think that is so good but also so much 00:19:38.789 --> 00:19:42.680 easier to do when everyone lives next door to 00:19:42.680 --> 00:19:45.819 each other and like when the whole community 00:19:45.819 --> 00:19:49.240 is of the same faith and like all investing in 00:19:49.240 --> 00:19:52.099 the same particular sort of expression of that 00:19:52.099 --> 00:19:53.880 i think when it comes to christian community 00:19:53.880 --> 00:19:57.559 i think what's important is okay yeah you know 00:19:57.559 --> 00:19:59.920 obviously in a perfect world you'd go to church 00:19:59.920 --> 00:20:01.779 everybody's the same faith everybody's christian 00:20:01.779 --> 00:20:05.829 everybody right That's not reality. Maybe like 00:20:05.829 --> 00:20:08.630 50 years ago or something when people actually 00:20:08.630 --> 00:20:12.390 closed on Sundays and didn't, you know, but it's 00:20:12.390 --> 00:20:14.849 like, you know, it's like, okay, you're not expected 00:20:14.849 --> 00:20:17.970 to necessarily go out into the world and always 00:20:17.970 --> 00:20:20.630 be around Christians. You may be the only Christian 00:20:20.630 --> 00:20:24.589 in your work environment or whatever, but you 00:20:24.589 --> 00:20:27.589 got to have a basis to come back to. That's what 00:20:27.589 --> 00:20:29.730 that's what's important. For sure. And that's 00:20:29.730 --> 00:20:31.410 why sometimes it can be frustrating, you know, 00:20:31.410 --> 00:20:34.069 even for me where it's like, I'll have a great 00:20:34.069 --> 00:20:37.289 day. I'll be with my community. I'll have a really 00:20:37.289 --> 00:20:40.650 good time. I really feel good. And then I'm coming 00:20:40.650 --> 00:20:43.210 back to a house that's not Christian. Yeah. You 00:20:43.210 --> 00:20:46.779 know, so it's like. Yeah. So it's being able 00:20:46.779 --> 00:20:49.359 to have a basis to come back to. For sure. For 00:20:49.359 --> 00:20:51.279 sure. It's kind of like introverts and extroverts, 00:20:51.299 --> 00:20:54.039 but with communities. Yeah. I like it, but it 00:20:54.039 --> 00:20:56.500 does drain me. Whereas this one, I just get refreshed. 00:20:56.720 --> 00:21:00.779 Yeah. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. So the passage that 00:21:00.779 --> 00:21:03.180 Rob read with the sermon was from Ecclesiastes 00:21:03.180 --> 00:21:05.339 chapter four. So I'm just going to read part 00:21:05.339 --> 00:21:08.400 of it here for us, starting at verse nine. Two 00:21:08.400 --> 00:21:10.440 are better than one because they have a good 00:21:10.440 --> 00:21:13.500 return for their labor. If one falls down, his 00:21:13.500 --> 00:21:15.819 friend can help him up. But pity the man who 00:21:15.819 --> 00:21:19.279 falls and has no one to help him up. Also, if 00:21:19.279 --> 00:21:21.880 two lie down together, they will keep warm. But 00:21:21.880 --> 00:21:24.740 how can one keep warm alone? Though one may be 00:21:24.740 --> 00:21:27.339 overpowered, two can defend themselves. A cord 00:21:27.339 --> 00:21:30.940 of three strands is not quickly broken. Um, so 00:21:30.940 --> 00:21:32.799 in this passage, it gives us this whole sort 00:21:32.799 --> 00:21:34.759 of list of benefits of having other people around, 00:21:34.859 --> 00:21:36.859 you know, the, you have two people, you have 00:21:36.859 --> 00:21:39.019 a good return for your labor. They can sort of 00:21:39.019 --> 00:21:41.180 help you get back up when you fall down, you 00:21:41.180 --> 00:21:44.579 stay warm, you can defend yourselves and overpower 00:21:44.579 --> 00:21:47.200 your enemies. So when you think about those lists 00:21:47.200 --> 00:21:49.440 of benefits, is there one of them that like stands 00:21:49.440 --> 00:21:53.839 out to you more? Uh, I think for me it would 00:21:53.839 --> 00:21:56.759 be, uh, when one falls, you pick them up. Okay. 00:21:56.819 --> 00:21:59.799 That's just, I mean, that, I mean, that's, Cause 00:21:59.799 --> 00:22:01.240 I mean, at the end of the day, that's what you, 00:22:01.299 --> 00:22:04.519 you, you want. I mean, obviously you, in your 00:22:04.519 --> 00:22:07.599 darker times, you want to, you have to rely on 00:22:07.599 --> 00:22:10.299 Christ and God, but it's also nice to be able 00:22:10.299 --> 00:22:13.359 to have somebody physically there that you can 00:22:13.359 --> 00:22:15.980 turn to, you know, especially if it's like a 00:22:15.980 --> 00:22:18.660 mentor who can both physically or just figuratively 00:22:18.660 --> 00:22:21.960 lift you up. Yeah. Because I think we all get 00:22:21.960 --> 00:22:24.420 into, and it's, that's why it can be frustrating 00:22:24.420 --> 00:22:30.369 with life is because, you know, We get into these 00:22:30.369 --> 00:22:34.829 frustrations and sometimes you open up to somebody 00:22:34.829 --> 00:22:37.670 and they're not going to tell you what you want 00:22:37.670 --> 00:22:40.529 to hear, or they're going to tell you something 00:22:40.529 --> 00:22:43.269 that is like, well, you're not being helpful. 00:22:43.450 --> 00:22:46.329 You're not being supportive, you know? And it's 00:22:46.329 --> 00:22:49.589 so it's like, that's why it's important to also 00:22:49.589 --> 00:22:52.190 be with a good Christian community. You know, 00:22:52.230 --> 00:22:55.029 sometimes it's not like, you know, it's like, 00:22:55.049 --> 00:22:57.250 maybe, you know what the solution is, but it's 00:22:57.250 --> 00:23:00.980 like, okay, well, Sometimes it's just good to 00:23:00.980 --> 00:23:03.079 be able to have somebody to be like, I hear you. 00:23:03.140 --> 00:23:06.279 I understand. I've been there. Or, hey, I know 00:23:06.279 --> 00:23:07.940 this is tough, but you're going to get through 00:23:07.940 --> 00:23:11.400 it. Right. Versus, well, you just got to keep 00:23:11.400 --> 00:23:14.019 going. Or, well, that's what you just have to 00:23:14.019 --> 00:23:16.859 do. It's like, okay, yes, thank you, Captain 00:23:16.859 --> 00:23:20.380 Obvious. But that's not what I want to hear. 00:23:20.779 --> 00:23:23.680 Yeah, for sure. Classic joke in psychology was 00:23:23.680 --> 00:23:25.420 your therapist just says, just stop doing it. 00:23:25.740 --> 00:23:28.579 Just stop it. Don't be depressed. Don't be anxious. 00:23:28.799 --> 00:23:31.000 Oh, is that all? That's all. Yeah, apparently. 00:23:31.259 --> 00:23:33.900 Super simple. But what they found is way more 00:23:33.900 --> 00:23:35.799 effective is a lot of therapists just sitting 00:23:35.799 --> 00:23:37.759 or being with the people. Just being able to 00:23:37.759 --> 00:23:40.039 be authentic with the person, sit there, and 00:23:40.039 --> 00:23:42.140 help them slowly figure out the answers for themselves, 00:23:42.299 --> 00:23:43.960 not just say, oh, it's this. Oh, you're just 00:23:43.960 --> 00:23:46.400 doing it wrong. Right. It's way more beneficial. 00:23:46.839 --> 00:23:49.240 Yeah. Support rather than just advice. Yeah. 00:23:49.240 --> 00:23:51.599 For a while, especially in psychology, people 00:23:51.599 --> 00:23:54.460 were very good at giving advice. And doing not 00:23:54.460 --> 00:23:57.880 much support. Sure. So it's great to see we're 00:23:57.880 --> 00:24:00.019 learning, okay, support, it does help. Yeah, 00:24:00.019 --> 00:24:03.059 yeah, yeah. Way more. Yeah. Yeah. What about 00:24:03.059 --> 00:24:04.779 for you, Ben? Is there one of the benefits that 00:24:04.779 --> 00:24:07.019 stands out to you? I think making it worth the 00:24:07.019 --> 00:24:09.539 toil is a big one for me. Yeah. One thing that 00:24:09.539 --> 00:24:11.460 I get to look at, especially with some psychology 00:24:11.460 --> 00:24:13.400 stuff that I've been looking at, is there's a 00:24:13.400 --> 00:24:15.500 big kind of lack of purpose for a lot of people. 00:24:15.680 --> 00:24:17.799 Sure. Where some people just go, I don't really 00:24:17.799 --> 00:24:19.839 know what to do with my life or where to go, 00:24:19.960 --> 00:24:21.980 especially if things are poor, like the economy 00:24:21.980 --> 00:24:24.819 is not great. i don't really know what religion 00:24:24.819 --> 00:24:27.059 they follow because i think none according to 00:24:27.059 --> 00:24:29.960 like no religion is one of the most uh fast growing 00:24:29.960 --> 00:24:33.940 really religious groups yeah um so it's finding 00:24:33.940 --> 00:24:35.700 out okay where's the purpose where's the meaning 00:24:35.700 --> 00:24:38.000 in some of this i don't just want to get up go 00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:41.579 to work work like my butt off to come home make 00:24:41.579 --> 00:24:43.279 dinner and then go to sleep and then repeat the 00:24:43.279 --> 00:24:45.259 whole thing yeah where's the purpose and where's 00:24:45.259 --> 00:24:46.960 the meaning right and so having that community 00:24:46.960 --> 00:24:48.700 be able to work through it together and have 00:24:48.700 --> 00:24:51.180 like a reason to do it is really, really valuable. 00:24:51.539 --> 00:24:53.619 I think I get to see a little bit of that in 00:24:53.619 --> 00:24:55.500 like little kids, especially in parents. Yeah. 00:24:55.599 --> 00:24:57.339 You get to come home to your little one. That 00:24:57.339 --> 00:24:59.839 seems like a way more valuable experience. Like, 00:24:59.859 --> 00:25:01.799 hey, I got to come home, see my kid. They're 00:25:01.799 --> 00:25:04.599 smiling, get to support them. That makes work 00:25:04.599 --> 00:25:06.799 meaningful. Whereas if I'm just sitting at home 00:25:06.799 --> 00:25:09.460 doing it all for myself, it kind of makes it 00:25:09.460 --> 00:25:12.309 not feel so purposeful. Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 00:25:12.390 --> 00:25:14.269 yeah. No, I think that that sense of meaning 00:25:14.269 --> 00:25:17.910 is definitely really important. I think the piece 00:25:17.910 --> 00:25:20.750 that stands out for me is this idea of like, 00:25:20.869 --> 00:25:22.890 you know, when two people are together, you can 00:25:22.890 --> 00:25:26.230 like warm each other up. You can like stand up 00:25:26.230 --> 00:25:29.130 against the cold. And like Rob talked about that 00:25:29.130 --> 00:25:33.920 in the sermon as being like, you know. you want 00:25:33.920 --> 00:25:36.359 people who can like help you get back up when, 00:25:36.400 --> 00:25:39.259 when you fall down, but sometimes you can't get 00:25:39.259 --> 00:25:41.480 back up. You just have to like endure the storm. 00:25:41.599 --> 00:25:44.460 Right. And even then it's still better to have 00:25:44.460 --> 00:25:47.480 people to endure the storm with. Yes. Right. 00:25:47.559 --> 00:25:50.559 Um, and who maybe aren't experiencing it exactly 00:25:50.559 --> 00:25:52.319 the same way you are. And like, maybe that's 00:25:52.319 --> 00:25:54.279 better that they're not experiencing it exactly 00:25:54.279 --> 00:25:57.359 the same way you are, but who are committed to 00:25:57.359 --> 00:26:00.819 being present and like showing up and just being 00:26:00.819 --> 00:26:05.180 like, yeah, this sucks, but at least it doesn't, 00:26:05.180 --> 00:26:07.000 you don't have to like sit in that by yourself. 00:26:07.319 --> 00:26:09.819 Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I think that that is really 00:26:09.819 --> 00:26:14.019 sort of important. Um, even in psychology, one 00:26:14.019 --> 00:26:15.900 thing that we look at is the role of friends 00:26:15.900 --> 00:26:17.980 where it's like, if you're a friend, your job 00:26:17.980 --> 00:26:20.319 isn't to like be the therapist for your other 00:26:20.319 --> 00:26:21.920 person who's going through a hard time. Right. 00:26:22.180 --> 00:26:23.960 That's a therapist job. Your job as friends, 00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:26.059 just be there for them. Yeah. Help support where 00:26:26.059 --> 00:26:28.079 you can. If you can't support, you don't have 00:26:28.079 --> 00:26:31.009 answers. just walk through with them you don't 00:26:31.009 --> 00:26:32.670 have to fully understand you just have to be 00:26:32.670 --> 00:26:35.309 there yeah you have to be able to say how can 00:26:35.309 --> 00:26:38.309 i help you right not uh here i'll help you it's 00:26:38.309 --> 00:26:41.109 like it's like okay maybe i don't need that help 00:26:41.109 --> 00:26:43.809 but it's like you know or you know a good example 00:26:43.809 --> 00:26:46.970 is when people go through mourning a loss of 00:26:46.970 --> 00:26:50.049 somebody yeah or even on an anniversary you know 00:26:50.049 --> 00:26:54.500 of a death or whatever your job should be do 00:26:54.500 --> 00:26:57.099 you want me around do you want us to go out yeah 00:26:57.099 --> 00:26:59.039 do you want what do you want do you want how 00:26:59.039 --> 00:27:01.700 how can i help you you know i'm here just let 00:27:01.700 --> 00:27:03.779 me know how i can help best yeah yeah you want 00:27:03.779 --> 00:27:06.180 to be alone good okay fine you know that's fine 00:27:06.180 --> 00:27:07.940 i'll give you space yeah you want to go out for 00:27:07.940 --> 00:27:09.799 dinner fine you want to go to a movie fine you 00:27:09.799 --> 00:27:13.299 know yeah but you you the mourner controls the 00:27:13.299 --> 00:27:16.599 as the has the ball sort of yes that's the you 00:27:16.599 --> 00:27:20.140 know that's the pace yeah yeah yeah and to sort 00:27:20.140 --> 00:27:22.359 of go back to like what you were saying earlier 00:27:22.359 --> 00:27:25.680 on marvel but like helping people up um so one 00:27:25.680 --> 00:27:27.299 of the things rob said in the sermon was like 00:27:27.299 --> 00:27:30.019 in a time of crisis we should not just be offering 00:27:30.019 --> 00:27:32.480 advice we should be offering sort of practical 00:27:32.480 --> 00:27:35.819 support um so yeah what what do you think that 00:27:35.819 --> 00:27:38.700 looks like and like why do you think people often 00:27:38.700 --> 00:27:43.400 try to go for advice rather than support I feel 00:27:43.400 --> 00:27:45.940 like sometimes if you give advice, you can do 00:27:45.940 --> 00:27:47.799 that from afar. You don't actually have to be 00:27:47.799 --> 00:27:50.700 there. Yep. Yep. You don't have to get like into 00:27:50.700 --> 00:27:53.140 it. You're like, you gotta be like, you can be 00:27:53.140 --> 00:27:55.759 like, oh, that sucks. Yeah. Well, uh, here's 00:27:55.759 --> 00:27:57.940 what I would do. Bye. You know? Right. You know? 00:27:58.740 --> 00:28:00.880 Yep. Are you depressed? I hear going for walks 00:28:00.880 --> 00:28:03.160 helps. Yeah. No, no. Don't talk to me about your 00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:05.920 depression. Just go for a walk. Yes. Yes. Yes. 00:28:05.920 --> 00:28:07.799 Am I going to join you? No, but you, no, but 00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:11.039 you got this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It, it, 00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:13.000 yeah, it, it like really, This is a sense of 00:28:13.000 --> 00:28:16.180 responsibility and keeps us like a safe distance 00:28:16.180 --> 00:28:19.640 away. Like keep your stress or your sadness or 00:28:19.640 --> 00:28:22.920 your anger over there. It teaches us how to detach 00:28:22.920 --> 00:28:25.240 and say, like, I can support from afar, but I'll 00:28:25.240 --> 00:28:27.720 be too detached. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Was what 00:28:27.720 --> 00:28:29.480 we're talking about is more that Christian community, 00:28:29.539 --> 00:28:31.559 the supports that stays with them during it. 00:28:31.640 --> 00:28:34.220 Right. Or with advice, you can be like, have 00:28:34.220 --> 00:28:36.000 you tried this? Have you tried that? Have you 00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:37.599 tried that? Right. And then it's like, what do 00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:40.079 you get? No, no. You're yes. Yes. All the time. 00:28:40.099 --> 00:28:42.940 It's like, well, then. I got nothing. Bye. Yeah. 00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:47.559 Yeah. Yeah. So why do you think it's important 00:28:47.559 --> 00:28:51.259 for us to maybe sometimes offer advice, but to 00:28:51.259 --> 00:28:54.440 pair that with offering support? Like what what's 00:28:54.440 --> 00:28:57.720 the benefit of doing it that way? The benefit 00:28:57.720 --> 00:29:00.539 is advice can still be good. It's just often 00:29:00.539 --> 00:29:02.940 feels like impersonal. Sure. But having support, 00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:05.099 you can actually give advice like, hey, I know 00:29:05.099 --> 00:29:06.400 you're struggling with this. I've actually found 00:29:06.400 --> 00:29:08.339 this way works really well for me and it might 00:29:08.339 --> 00:29:10.670 work for you. Let me walk through it with you, 00:29:10.690 --> 00:29:13.029 support you the whole way. Sure. I'm there if 00:29:13.029 --> 00:29:14.549 you need me. I'm there for help. I'm there to 00:29:14.549 --> 00:29:17.029 guide if you need that. Yeah. But it's way more 00:29:17.029 --> 00:29:18.970 personal. It helps you to just go through the 00:29:18.970 --> 00:29:21.369 hardships together as a unit bearing the burden 00:29:21.369 --> 00:29:23.329 rather than just having one person bear it all 00:29:23.329 --> 00:29:25.950 alone. Sure. Yeah. A good example of that would 00:29:25.950 --> 00:29:29.710 be with the Alpha program that we have. Because 00:29:29.710 --> 00:29:33.990 even in our life group, we had for the series 00:29:33.990 --> 00:29:37.740 in Alpha, we were missing like... two or three 00:29:37.740 --> 00:29:39.799 people but that's because they were there to 00:29:39.799 --> 00:29:42.319 support new people going through the program 00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:46.200 right you know so sometimes that's you know it's 00:29:46.200 --> 00:29:49.019 like hey i've been you're right hey i've been 00:29:49.019 --> 00:29:52.900 there let me walk you through this yeah It's 00:29:52.900 --> 00:29:54.380 the benefit of having that life group where you're 00:29:54.380 --> 00:29:56.339 able to come back to your home group, but also 00:29:56.339 --> 00:29:58.960 still go out and help others. Yeah. Yeah, for 00:29:58.960 --> 00:30:01.400 sure. Yeah. I think another thing that comes 00:30:01.400 --> 00:30:03.359 to mind for me around that is just that like 00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:06.900 sometimes people are so overwhelmed with things 00:30:06.900 --> 00:30:09.359 that like they actually need the support before 00:30:09.359 --> 00:30:12.119 they can take your advice. Yeah. Right. Like 00:30:12.119 --> 00:30:14.859 I think like practically like, you know, if we 00:30:14.859 --> 00:30:16.660 think back to like in terms of grief and like 00:30:16.660 --> 00:30:19.240 things like that, like sometimes people don't 00:30:19.240 --> 00:30:22.130 need you to like be like, oh, yes, this. is how 00:30:22.130 --> 00:30:23.849 to make it better they need you to feed them 00:30:23.849 --> 00:30:27.730 right or they need you to just like make sure 00:30:27.730 --> 00:30:29.730 that the kids are taken care of or like whatever 00:30:29.730 --> 00:30:33.309 the situation is yeah like that practical support 00:30:33.309 --> 00:30:37.509 enables them to be able to like listen to whatever 00:30:37.509 --> 00:30:40.450 comes next but if they're so overwhelmed with 00:30:40.450 --> 00:30:43.089 all of the like practical bits and details then 00:30:43.089 --> 00:30:45.700 like your advice is just It's going to fall on 00:30:45.700 --> 00:30:48.500 deaf ears. Yeah. If someone's being crushed, 00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:50.140 the goal is not to say, oh, just lift better. 00:30:50.240 --> 00:30:53.859 Use your back. Help get them out first and then 00:30:53.859 --> 00:30:55.480 we can work on that later. Don't worry. Bend 00:30:55.480 --> 00:30:57.900 your knees. It'll be fine. You got this. Put 00:30:57.900 --> 00:31:00.880 some elbow grease in. Here, let me help you. 00:31:01.119 --> 00:31:07.240 You know. Yeah. Just bad form. Yeah. Yes. Yeah, 00:31:07.339 --> 00:31:10.099 for sure. Yeah. Anything else you'd sort of add 00:31:10.099 --> 00:31:13.200 to that? If you think about like advice and practical 00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:15.640 support and how they work together. I think it 00:31:15.640 --> 00:31:18.299 works together as well because it's, if you actually 00:31:18.299 --> 00:31:21.839 go and support someone or try to support someone, 00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:26.740 hopefully they'll return that to, when you need 00:31:26.740 --> 00:31:30.619 it, you know? Like, I think it's just like, you 00:31:30.619 --> 00:31:33.160 know, if you're going through a dark period, 00:31:33.380 --> 00:31:36.579 do you need advice or do you need people around 00:31:36.579 --> 00:31:39.539 you? Right. You know? And especially because, 00:31:39.640 --> 00:31:42.299 again, sometimes the advice is it's like, well, 00:31:42.420 --> 00:31:45.200 yeah, of course, you know, you know, or it's 00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:47.740 like obvious. This is obvious. I know this, but 00:31:47.740 --> 00:31:50.099 that doesn't help me. You know, do better is 00:31:50.099 --> 00:31:52.500 great, but that's not really actionable. Yes. 00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:55.759 You know, I think it's like even I mean, I haven't 00:31:55.759 --> 00:31:59.059 read it, but like I think like like when C .S. 00:31:59.059 --> 00:32:01.940 Lewis, I think when it was his wife that passed 00:32:01.940 --> 00:32:05.279 and people were trying to be comforting to him 00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:09.250 and, you know, and it was all like. it fell on 00:32:09.250 --> 00:32:11.710 deaf ears because it's just it's like you know 00:32:11.710 --> 00:32:14.349 oh you'll see her again yeah i know that you 00:32:14.349 --> 00:32:16.910 know oh you know oh she's in a better place yeah 00:32:16.910 --> 00:32:19.089 i hope so but you know i mean it's like that 00:32:19.089 --> 00:32:21.109 doesn't help me pay the bills it doesn't help 00:32:21.109 --> 00:32:24.279 me get through like yeah the next couple of times 00:32:24.279 --> 00:32:27.380 you know yeah yeah for sure for sure yeah and 00:32:27.380 --> 00:32:30.059 i think that sense of mutuality and like i help 00:32:30.059 --> 00:32:32.339 you you help me and like that's not obviously 00:32:32.339 --> 00:32:35.740 why we're in it exactly but it like is a benefit 00:32:35.740 --> 00:32:39.079 of it for sure right that like yeah it builds 00:32:39.079 --> 00:32:42.200 this safe space where people can begin to be 00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:47.069 real with each other and that then when you bring 00:32:47.069 --> 00:32:49.710 your realness and you're like, this is not great 00:32:49.710 --> 00:32:52.670 guys. And like people can jump in and help you 00:32:52.670 --> 00:32:56.170 with that. And I think that inspires us to then 00:32:56.170 --> 00:32:58.950 go and help other people. Right. That we, we 00:32:58.950 --> 00:33:02.569 see that support and that love and we learn what 00:33:02.569 --> 00:33:04.650 works and what doesn't work so that we can better 00:33:04.650 --> 00:33:07.869 care for others as well. Absolutely. Yeah. The 00:33:07.869 --> 00:33:09.890 one thing that comes to mind is, uh, I think 00:33:09.890 --> 00:33:11.650 it's scam artists in France are really good at 00:33:11.650 --> 00:33:14.049 this, but there's the trick of reciprocity where 00:33:14.049 --> 00:33:16.220 if I give you something, you feel the need. to 00:33:16.220 --> 00:33:18.519 give me something in return. Okay. And it's the 00:33:18.519 --> 00:33:21.119 thing, we don't need to actually give back, but 00:33:21.119 --> 00:33:23.619 the goal is by helping others. we're able to 00:33:23.619 --> 00:33:25.420 support each other and we want to help out yeah 00:33:25.420 --> 00:33:27.480 it's not a requirement it's not something you're 00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:29.359 like mandated to do but it's something we are 00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:31.339 able to do and want to go out our way to help 00:33:31.339 --> 00:33:33.859 out yeah you do it for the good of christ yeah 00:33:33.859 --> 00:33:37.140 yeah absolutely yeah so i also want to go back 00:33:37.140 --> 00:33:39.539 to that like those the three chords right so 00:33:39.539 --> 00:33:42.339 two are better than one but christ is sort of 00:33:42.339 --> 00:33:45.559 what holds us all together um so what do you 00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:48.319 think it looks like to actually allow christ 00:33:48.319 --> 00:33:51.359 to hold us together as community I think it's 00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:53.400 when we come together, it's coming together in 00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:56.240 a sense under Christ. Partially it's just coming 00:33:56.240 --> 00:33:58.200 together. If it's for advice, say it's like, 00:33:58.200 --> 00:34:00.660 I've had a hard week. I can give advice on my 00:34:00.660 --> 00:34:02.660 own and be like, oh yeah, eat more fruits and 00:34:02.660 --> 00:34:05.400 veggies. That'll probably help. Sure. But being 00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:07.420 able to also back that up with like God's word 00:34:07.420 --> 00:34:09.239 is really, really helpful. Sure. Being able to 00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:10.820 point back to the scriptures and say, hey, this 00:34:10.820 --> 00:34:13.260 is what God says. We can try to implement that 00:34:13.260 --> 00:34:15.340 and hold each other accountable. Right. That's, 00:34:15.340 --> 00:34:17.739 I think, an extra strand that really ties together. 00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:23.860 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm. Yeah. How 00:34:23.860 --> 00:34:29.139 does Christ help hold us together in community? 00:34:29.599 --> 00:34:34.079 I think it helps us because it reminds us we 00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:37.199 always got to remember what would Christ do? 00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:43.260 How would he be? If our goal is to be Christ 00:34:43.260 --> 00:34:47.159 -like, then we need to think about it in all 00:34:47.159 --> 00:34:51.559 circumstances. Sure. Yeah. I always think it's 00:34:51.559 --> 00:34:55.380 like, you know, you know, when I when I do my 00:34:55.380 --> 00:34:58.300 prayers, you know, I'll say either I'll either 00:34:58.300 --> 00:35:02.280 say help me to be Christ like, you know, in everything. 00:35:02.340 --> 00:35:04.739 Yes, it's that, you know, because you're trying 00:35:04.739 --> 00:35:07.739 to be transformed by Christ. Yeah. You know, 00:35:07.739 --> 00:35:11.280 absolutely. And like there's a song that goes 00:35:11.280 --> 00:35:15.820 like. Be less like be more like Jesus and like 00:35:15.820 --> 00:35:18.840 less like me. And that's what we need to ultimately 00:35:18.840 --> 00:35:22.500 do. Even when it comes to when people are struggling 00:35:22.500 --> 00:35:26.739 or suffering. The only thing is the only thing 00:35:26.739 --> 00:35:29.760 is sometimes it's I feel like then there's sometimes 00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:36.400 there is doubt with the fact that I felt it before 00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:39.579 where it's like, I'll help out people, but I 00:35:39.579 --> 00:35:41.889 don't trust that people will. reciprocate when 00:35:41.889 --> 00:35:44.750 i'm sure yeah i'll be the one to help out but 00:35:44.750 --> 00:35:48.630 i may not actually reach out because i don't 00:35:48.630 --> 00:35:50.409 feel like there is going to be any sure anybody 00:35:50.409 --> 00:35:54.230 to reach out yeah and i think in those moments 00:35:54.230 --> 00:36:00.949 it's that remembering that um like christ was 00:36:00.949 --> 00:36:03.730 what compelled us to reach out and to support 00:36:03.730 --> 00:36:06.289 to like support other people and that christ 00:36:06.289 --> 00:36:09.130 is with us even if nobody else is absolutely 00:36:09.130 --> 00:36:12.710 right um yeah yeah and i think sometimes too 00:36:12.710 --> 00:36:17.610 like we just need to get over ourselves right 00:36:17.610 --> 00:36:20.110 like like suck up our pride and be like no actually 00:36:20.110 --> 00:36:23.110 i need help in this absolutely right god said 00:36:23.110 --> 00:36:26.130 it is not good for me to be alone so like i need 00:36:26.130 --> 00:36:30.789 to risk opening up risk vulnerability so that 00:36:30.789 --> 00:36:34.269 other people can support me and trust that there 00:36:34.269 --> 00:36:36.809 are people who love and want to support me they 00:36:36.809 --> 00:36:39.199 just like I need to tell them that I need that. 00:36:39.300 --> 00:36:42.059 Yeah. And God can send good people to help you, 00:36:42.099 --> 00:36:45.460 even if it's not somebody in your family or in 00:36:45.460 --> 00:36:49.219 your church. It doesn't matter how God gets the 00:36:49.219 --> 00:36:52.219 message. He's pretty good at sending it. Exactly. 00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:55.280 And it's not always through dreams and visions 00:36:55.280 --> 00:36:58.420 and everything like that. Sometimes it's a literal 00:36:58.420 --> 00:37:04.059 sign. Sure. And sometimes it's just some people 00:37:04.059 --> 00:37:07.539 are compelled by the Holy Spirit like, It seems 00:37:07.539 --> 00:37:09.579 like I felt like you're struggling. You want 00:37:09.579 --> 00:37:12.360 to talk, you know? Yeah. Just little interactions 00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:15.019 make a big difference sometimes. Doesn't have 00:37:15.019 --> 00:37:17.360 to be a literal sign or big side. It's sometimes 00:37:17.360 --> 00:37:19.179 just someone saying, hey, how are you doing? 00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:22.260 Yeah. For sure. Or sometimes you're listening 00:37:22.260 --> 00:37:25.320 to K -Love in your car and something like that. 00:37:25.340 --> 00:37:28.219 And you're just like, and that song comes on 00:37:28.219 --> 00:37:30.719 and you're just like, okay, this is actually 00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:33.860 what I needed to hear right now. You know, that's 00:37:33.860 --> 00:37:38.139 God's way of. of sending something to you yeah 00:37:38.139 --> 00:37:41.360 and i think sometimes because we're all human 00:37:41.360 --> 00:37:44.219 like christian community is still messy oh yeah 00:37:44.219 --> 00:37:46.880 right like as you sort of said before we're not 00:37:46.880 --> 00:37:48.860 always going to see eye to eye on everything 00:37:48.860 --> 00:37:51.880 um and people aren't perfect they're not going 00:37:51.880 --> 00:37:54.199 to offer great advice all the time they're not 00:37:54.199 --> 00:37:56.679 actually going to be super helpful all of the 00:37:56.679 --> 00:37:59.119 time but i think when i think about the like 00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:01.380 three chords or the three strands of the chord 00:38:01.380 --> 00:38:05.889 um i think about that like christ is the center 00:38:05.889 --> 00:38:09.389 of all these things and so regardless of what 00:38:09.389 --> 00:38:12.989 we agree or don't agree on regardless of how 00:38:12.989 --> 00:38:15.610 people have hurt me or not or how i have hurt 00:38:15.610 --> 00:38:18.269 other people or not christ holds us together 00:38:18.269 --> 00:38:21.269 and offers us like grace in the midst of all 00:38:21.269 --> 00:38:23.849 of that right that that we can always come back 00:38:23.849 --> 00:38:27.849 to that center as as a place where we are united 00:38:27.849 --> 00:38:31.500 yeah um Even when everything else feels really 00:38:31.500 --> 00:38:34.119 messy. He's always that core. Even if our ropes 00:38:34.119 --> 00:38:36.420 start to fray a little bit, he's always the core 00:38:36.420 --> 00:38:39.300 holding us together. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I, 00:38:39.300 --> 00:38:41.639 I, yeah, I just think that's so important as 00:38:41.639 --> 00:38:44.659 we think about what it means to lean on each 00:38:44.659 --> 00:38:47.659 other because people will disappoint us and that 00:38:47.659 --> 00:38:51.019 will be really hard. That's human. Yeah. Yeah. 00:38:51.099 --> 00:38:54.199 Yeah. Yeah. But. jesus is there in that and that 00:38:54.199 --> 00:38:56.500 doesn't make the disappointment just magically 00:38:56.500 --> 00:38:59.179 go away it doesn't make like if someone's intentionally 00:38:59.179 --> 00:39:01.480 hurting in a community like that's not still 00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:07.039 not okay right it's still harm um but knowing 00:39:07.039 --> 00:39:09.199 that christ is in there with us i think makes 00:39:09.199 --> 00:39:12.900 it bearable absolutely yeah i think we sometimes 00:39:12.900 --> 00:39:15.500 just have to remember that You're right. Like 00:39:15.500 --> 00:39:18.139 we do have to take the risk because it is a risk 00:39:18.139 --> 00:39:21.320 opening up. Absolutely. You know, even if it's 00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:23.900 not asking for help, but even just talking about 00:39:23.900 --> 00:39:27.440 your feelings is risking it because we've all 00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:31.099 had people where we've tried that and they're 00:39:31.099 --> 00:39:34.079 negative. They shut it down. They dismiss it. 00:39:34.119 --> 00:39:36.840 They joke. They they tell you something that 00:39:36.840 --> 00:39:41.119 just sounds horrible. You know, and then that 00:39:41.119 --> 00:39:43.900 and then that's a danger because then. You close 00:39:43.900 --> 00:39:46.260 yourself up and then you're not trusting. And 00:39:46.260 --> 00:39:49.579 then in the darkest situation, that's when people 00:39:49.579 --> 00:39:52.559 turn to suicide because they, you know, they 00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:55.400 think, oh, well, nobody gets it. Well, why? Because 00:39:55.400 --> 00:39:58.239 you tried opening it up and that person didn't 00:39:58.239 --> 00:40:01.800 get it. Right. And got shut down. Exactly. Yeah. 00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:04.440 It's very handy that God at least always understands. 00:40:04.559 --> 00:40:06.619 Yeah. Try to talk to someone we're afraid. Oh, 00:40:06.639 --> 00:40:07.760 what if they don't understand me? What if they 00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:09.800 don't get it? Yeah. God always does, which is 00:40:09.800 --> 00:40:12.840 very handy. Yeah. Always. turn back to him. And 00:40:12.840 --> 00:40:14.840 then the nice thing that I always like is why 00:40:14.840 --> 00:40:17.340 is him being just there so important? Always 00:40:17.340 --> 00:40:20.239 having someone there. It's going through things 00:40:20.239 --> 00:40:22.800 hard, difficult things with people helps you 00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:25.179 bear that burden. It stretches out, which is 00:40:25.179 --> 00:40:27.820 where us humans made in God's image are also 00:40:27.820 --> 00:40:29.940 good at helping bear those burdens together, 00:40:30.059 --> 00:40:33.539 help to spread the load. Yeah. Yeah. So I think 00:40:33.539 --> 00:40:36.280 it's like sort of like twofold reminder, right? 00:40:36.300 --> 00:40:39.480 That like for those who are going through hard 00:40:39.480 --> 00:40:43.440 times that like, God is there with you. God is 00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:46.000 in the deepest, darkest pit that you could be 00:40:46.000 --> 00:40:51.639 in. God is there. Um, and that for, for all of 00:40:51.639 --> 00:40:55.719 us, that reminder that therefore we who are followers 00:40:55.719 --> 00:40:58.159 of Jesus are called to imitate God. We are called 00:40:58.159 --> 00:41:00.480 to be with people in the deepest, darkest pit, 00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:03.659 not always to try and fix it, not to just offer 00:41:03.659 --> 00:41:07.380 advice, but to be present and to be a support 00:41:07.380 --> 00:41:10.320 and a friend and just a presence in the midst 00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:12.780 of that. And I think when you're going through 00:41:12.780 --> 00:41:16.340 stuff and it's challenging or rough, you just 00:41:16.340 --> 00:41:19.679 got to remember to say, you know, God, I trust 00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:23.119 in your ways. I trust in what's happening. I 00:41:23.119 --> 00:41:26.679 trust that you know what's best. Because sometimes 00:41:26.679 --> 00:41:29.400 we think we know what's best for ourselves and 00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:32.880 then it doesn't happen. But it's like, you know, 00:41:32.980 --> 00:41:35.780 like even when it comes to prayers, sometimes 00:41:35.780 --> 00:41:38.679 it's like. We may be praying for stuff, but God's 00:41:38.679 --> 00:41:41.300 like, yeah, that's not happening. That's not 00:41:41.300 --> 00:41:44.659 for you. But, you know, so we just got to trust 00:41:44.659 --> 00:41:47.739 that, you know, things will happen when they're 00:41:47.739 --> 00:41:51.360 happen as they're supposed to happen. Yeah. Yeah. 00:41:51.500 --> 00:41:53.179 I like to think about the hand that we're dealt. 00:41:53.320 --> 00:41:54.840 A lot of times people say if you're going through 00:41:54.840 --> 00:41:57.000 a hard time, you just dealt a bad hand. Yeah. 00:41:57.039 --> 00:41:59.280 But one thing I like in card games is you get 00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:01.460 to draw more cards. Right. Starting with a bad 00:42:01.460 --> 00:42:03.480 hand, you get to play it as best as you can. 00:42:03.780 --> 00:42:06.300 But that's not the end of the story. keep playing 00:42:06.300 --> 00:42:08.019 keep drawing you never know what's going to come 00:42:08.019 --> 00:42:09.980 up yeah you don't have to stay a victim yeah 00:42:09.980 --> 00:42:11.519 there's there might be light at the end of the 00:42:11.519 --> 00:42:14.139 tunnel yeah for sure for sure yeah and that's 00:42:14.139 --> 00:42:16.719 where support helps you get there yeah for sure 00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:18.420 for sure like i always like to say with stuff 00:42:18.420 --> 00:42:20.360 like that is like when you're going through a 00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:22.300 rough time it's like okay so what are you going 00:42:22.300 --> 00:42:25.199 to do about it how are you going to get through 00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:27.659 it yeah you know yeah you don't have to stay 00:42:27.659 --> 00:42:31.500 oh poor me poor me you know So yeah, there's 00:42:31.500 --> 00:42:33.880 like advice. I feel like it helps you learn how 00:42:33.880 --> 00:42:36.119 to play those cards better and helps you answer 00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:38.320 some of those questions. Yeah. But support helps 00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:40.659 you keep playing to get those better cards. Yeah, 00:42:40.719 --> 00:42:43.400 for sure. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. Well, thank you 00:42:43.400 --> 00:42:48.559 so much, guys. Yeah, I know community is hard. 00:42:48.659 --> 00:42:53.599 People are messy. But I trust that God is in 00:42:53.599 --> 00:42:58.579 all of it. God is showing up and God is bringing 00:42:58.579 --> 00:43:01.719 together all of these messy, diverse people to 00:43:01.719 --> 00:43:03.780 be a place where people can experience light 00:43:03.780 --> 00:43:06.559 and love. Even in the deepest, darkest pits. 00:43:07.059 --> 00:43:10.059 Absolutely. Yeah. And thank you for tuning in 00:43:10.059 --> 00:43:12.739 to this week's episode of Trinity Talks. I pray 00:43:12.739 --> 00:43:15.400 wherever you find yourself in whatever sort of 00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:17.519 situations, I pray that you're not there alone. 00:43:18.079 --> 00:43:20.719 And if you are feeling alone right now, I just 00:43:20.719 --> 00:43:23.179 want to encourage you find somebody to reach 00:43:23.179 --> 00:43:27.400 out to risk vulnerability, risk trust so that 00:43:27.400 --> 00:43:31.780 you can experience the warmth, the support, the 00:43:31.780 --> 00:43:34.849 reward of being part of a community. that loves 00:43:34.849 --> 00:43:37.530 and serves like Christ. We'll see you again next 00:43:37.530 --> 00:43:37.789 week.