WEBVTT 00:00:03.289 --> 00:00:05.990 Hello, everyone, and welcome to this week's episode 00:00:05.990 --> 00:00:09.050 of Trinity Talks. My name is Kyla. My name is 00:00:09.050 --> 00:00:11.730 Amalvel. And my name is Ben. And we are here 00:00:11.730 --> 00:00:15.570 to continue unpacking the Growing Season sermon 00:00:15.570 --> 00:00:17.929 series that we've been doing this summer here 00:00:17.929 --> 00:00:20.769 at Trinity, where we're going back to the farm 00:00:20.769 --> 00:00:23.010 to learn what the farm has to teach us about 00:00:23.010 --> 00:00:26.570 faith. And this week, we're talking all about 00:00:26.570 --> 00:00:30.359 power. And particularly about, you know, how 00:00:30.359 --> 00:00:33.359 tractors, the imagery that Rob uses, the tractor 00:00:33.359 --> 00:00:35.340 provides the power, but then there's all of these 00:00:35.340 --> 00:00:37.020 different implements or tools that sort of get 00:00:37.020 --> 00:00:39.520 hooked up to a tractor, right? You get a plow 00:00:39.520 --> 00:00:42.539 or you can get a cedar or you can get a hay baler. 00:00:42.899 --> 00:00:45.979 I've now run out of tractor imagery, but there's 00:00:45.979 --> 00:00:47.679 lots of different tools that you could hook up 00:00:47.679 --> 00:00:49.899 to a tractor, but they're all powered by the 00:00:49.899 --> 00:00:53.399 same source. Yeah. And sort of how that connects 00:00:53.399 --> 00:00:55.520 to our spiritual life, that we are all people 00:00:55.520 --> 00:00:58.579 who are powered by the. Holy Spirit, but for 00:00:58.579 --> 00:01:01.579 different tasks, different gifts, different things 00:01:01.579 --> 00:01:04.959 that we're able to do. Yeah, so as you folks 00:01:04.959 --> 00:01:07.459 think about the sermon and sort of what Rob talked 00:01:07.459 --> 00:01:09.959 about, were there any particular pieces that 00:01:09.959 --> 00:01:15.540 really stood out to you? Well, I can sort of 00:01:15.540 --> 00:01:20.439 see another analogy would be on film and television. 00:01:20.819 --> 00:01:23.900 Yeah, you have the director, you have the cinematographer 00:01:23.900 --> 00:01:27.879 as well, but you also have You have all the other 00:01:27.879 --> 00:01:32.519 roles. There's plenty of roles. Sure. Even in 00:01:32.519 --> 00:01:35.739 the cinematography department, you have lighting. 00:01:35.780 --> 00:01:39.099 You have people using the flags and the bounce 00:01:39.099 --> 00:01:42.540 sheet car things to deflect light. And you have 00:01:42.540 --> 00:01:46.599 people using dollies to move in and whatnot. 00:01:47.019 --> 00:01:51.319 And you have camera operators. And your goal 00:01:51.319 --> 00:01:54.640 is all the same, to make the best film. So it's 00:01:54.640 --> 00:01:58.969 just... But everybody has a role and you do your 00:01:58.969 --> 00:02:03.609 best at your job. accomplish it. Yeah, yeah, 00:02:03.609 --> 00:02:05.530 yeah. I think that's really helpful imagery for 00:02:05.530 --> 00:02:08.550 people who are like, what's a tractor? Or like, 00:02:08.590 --> 00:02:10.909 how does it work? That's the arch version of 00:02:10.909 --> 00:02:15.430 what is a tractor. Yes. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah. 00:02:15.610 --> 00:02:17.189 One of the things that always stands out to me 00:02:17.189 --> 00:02:19.509 is the fact that everyone just has a unique role, 00:02:19.650 --> 00:02:22.189 even if you aren't entirely sure what it is yet. 00:02:22.349 --> 00:02:24.069 Sure. It's something that's great where everyone 00:02:24.069 --> 00:02:26.270 will eventually get to see, oh, I actually have 00:02:26.270 --> 00:02:28.930 really cool places to fit into stories where 00:02:28.930 --> 00:02:31.539 I didn't think I did. Yeah. Or even And it's 00:02:31.539 --> 00:02:34.960 just small spots, small jobs make a big, meaningful 00:02:34.960 --> 00:02:37.900 difference. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. And I 00:02:37.900 --> 00:02:40.960 think just like to add to that, that sense that 00:02:40.960 --> 00:02:45.379 like every role or every spiritual gift like 00:02:45.379 --> 00:02:48.139 matters. Right. That sometimes we think, oh, 00:02:48.280 --> 00:02:50.759 I'm not, you know, the person up there singing 00:02:50.759 --> 00:02:53.280 on the stage or I'm not, you know, the person 00:02:53.280 --> 00:02:55.379 who's like reading the scripture or preaching 00:02:55.379 --> 00:02:57.300 or like any of those like really visible roles. 00:02:57.400 --> 00:03:01.060 But like. equally we need the camera people and 00:03:01.060 --> 00:03:03.120 we need the like people who are welcoming and 00:03:03.120 --> 00:03:05.120 we need the people who are making coffee right 00:03:05.120 --> 00:03:07.500 like absolutely all of these are like we need 00:03:07.500 --> 00:03:09.939 them all in order to make this whole thing sort 00:03:09.939 --> 00:03:13.240 of work back into people yeah yeah i think sometimes 00:03:13.240 --> 00:03:14.919 the most important some of the most important 00:03:14.919 --> 00:03:17.210 roles are the ones that are accomplished so that 00:03:17.210 --> 00:03:19.710 people don't have to think about it. Sure. You 00:03:19.710 --> 00:03:22.930 know, like, like, for example, when we, at least 00:03:22.930 --> 00:03:25.229 for a lot, a lot of us, when we get out of the 00:03:25.229 --> 00:03:27.210 service, what do we do? We want to go get a coffee. 00:03:27.250 --> 00:03:29.349 Yeah. Yes. We don't have to worry about, oh, 00:03:29.389 --> 00:03:31.530 is the coffee made? Is there cream and sugar? 00:03:31.650 --> 00:03:33.590 Right. Somebody has already done all of that. 00:03:33.669 --> 00:03:36.250 Yeah. It's just there ready to go. Yeah. Yeah. 00:03:36.710 --> 00:03:42.000 So I think to help us sort of. frame this conversation 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:43.460 it would be helpful first to think about what 00:03:43.460 --> 00:03:46.479 actually are spiritual gifts um if you were to 00:03:46.479 --> 00:03:48.919 like try and define them in some way what might 00:03:48.919 --> 00:03:50.800 you say i think one of the things that comes 00:03:50.800 --> 00:03:53.639 to my mind is like an unusual neck for something 00:03:53.639 --> 00:03:56.199 unusual talent okay suddenly it's like most people 00:03:56.199 --> 00:03:59.400 can do this but you seem to just excel here even 00:03:59.400 --> 00:04:02.539 if you're not sure why yeah okay yeah yeah uh 00:04:02.539 --> 00:04:05.039 well i think i i kind of looked it up what they 00:04:05.039 --> 00:04:11.699 say that it was which is uh There's nine of them. 00:04:11.840 --> 00:04:16.379 Okay. There's wisdom, knowledge, faith, healing, 00:04:16.620 --> 00:04:19.899 powerful deeds. prophecy, discernment of spirits, 00:04:20.180 --> 00:04:23.019 various kinds of tongue, and interpretation of 00:04:23.019 --> 00:04:25.399 tongues. Okay. Don't ask me what that all means, 00:04:25.459 --> 00:04:28.500 but that's a list. I'll take one of everything. 00:04:28.660 --> 00:04:32.180 Yeah, and I think that's one of the lists in 00:04:32.180 --> 00:04:33.980 Scripture. I think there's actually several places 00:04:33.980 --> 00:04:35.800 in Scripture where there's different sort of 00:04:35.800 --> 00:04:39.100 lists of spiritual gifts, but those are definitely 00:04:39.100 --> 00:04:42.779 some of them for sure. Yeah, and I guess I think 00:04:42.779 --> 00:04:47.410 of them, yeah, as... like you said like a a knack 00:04:47.410 --> 00:04:49.250 for something or like an ability to do something 00:04:49.250 --> 00:04:55.970 that is given to you by god to serve god's people 00:04:55.970 --> 00:05:00.290 in some way and and that can be yeah like it 00:05:00.290 --> 00:05:02.649 could be something like really powerful and dramatic 00:05:02.649 --> 00:05:05.329 like healing or it could be just like acts of 00:05:05.329 --> 00:05:07.930 service or it could be somebody who like speaks 00:05:07.930 --> 00:05:12.149 really well or or singing right like it can be 00:05:12.149 --> 00:05:15.279 all kinds of these different things and I think 00:05:15.279 --> 00:05:18.000 that one of the important things to think about 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:20.759 spiritual gifts is that there are, some of them 00:05:20.759 --> 00:05:22.839 are like super specific, but some of them are 00:05:22.839 --> 00:05:26.079 like really broad, right? Like, I don't know 00:05:26.079 --> 00:05:29.399 that I would say that somebody has the spiritual 00:05:29.399 --> 00:05:33.819 gift of making coffee, but, but maybe they have 00:05:33.819 --> 00:05:36.660 the spiritual gift of like service and like wanting 00:05:36.660 --> 00:05:40.240 to be helpful. Right. Um, and, and that's something. 00:05:40.879 --> 00:05:42.459 Like, what do you think makes that a spiritual 00:05:42.459 --> 00:05:45.079 gift as opposed to just like a thing that I'm 00:05:45.079 --> 00:05:48.480 good at? I think it's, I think for me, it's, 00:05:48.480 --> 00:05:51.959 is what you're doing, helping the kingdom of 00:05:51.959 --> 00:05:54.980 God. Okay. Is what you're doing, supporting the 00:05:54.980 --> 00:05:57.920 kingdom of God. Right. Okay. Like even, like 00:05:57.920 --> 00:06:00.279 even what we're doing now, we're just, you know, 00:06:00.279 --> 00:06:02.519 we're not just doing a random podcast. We're 00:06:02.519 --> 00:06:05.220 doing a podcast to help fellow Christians and 00:06:05.220 --> 00:06:08.699 people wanting to, you know, get better in their 00:06:08.699 --> 00:06:13.639 faith, you know? So. you know i guess but like 00:06:13.639 --> 00:06:16.540 i guess it's it's hard to define like what category 00:06:16.540 --> 00:06:20.319 that would fit into sure but maybe it's not so 00:06:20.319 --> 00:06:22.600 much about the categories it's just as long as 00:06:22.600 --> 00:06:25.740 in your where in your life are you supporting 00:06:25.740 --> 00:06:28.220 the kingdom of god sure and in what way yeah 00:06:28.220 --> 00:06:31.439 yep yeah I think it's interesting for me when 00:06:31.439 --> 00:06:33.420 I think about what's a spiritual gift, because 00:06:33.420 --> 00:06:35.860 I think similar along your lines of like things 00:06:35.860 --> 00:06:37.879 that are powered by God helping out, especially 00:06:37.879 --> 00:06:40.160 community God is even better, but also the broader 00:06:40.160 --> 00:06:42.680 community. Yeah. But I think the question for 00:06:42.680 --> 00:06:45.279 me comes is if all of our actions are power comes 00:06:45.279 --> 00:06:47.639 from God. Yeah. The question is where do the 00:06:47.639 --> 00:06:50.339 spiritual gifts specifically come in? Sure. I 00:06:50.339 --> 00:06:53.839 think those come to basically those special talents 00:06:53.839 --> 00:06:55.699 that you do have, where you find you able to 00:06:55.699 --> 00:06:57.379 have a better fit or able to make more of an 00:06:57.379 --> 00:06:59.910 impact. Right. I think if all of our power and 00:06:59.910 --> 00:07:02.610 knowledge does help come from God, then finding 00:07:02.610 --> 00:07:04.089 those spots where you have a little bit more 00:07:04.089 --> 00:07:06.449 expertise might be those ways of just seeing, 00:07:06.509 --> 00:07:08.470 oh, this is where God may be touching my life, 00:07:08.550 --> 00:07:10.529 may be pushing me in a direction. Yeah, yeah, 00:07:10.569 --> 00:07:12.290 yeah, yeah. And I think, yeah, sometimes it's 00:07:12.290 --> 00:07:13.949 about expertise. I think sometimes it's also 00:07:13.949 --> 00:07:16.810 just about like our own passion and our own sense 00:07:16.810 --> 00:07:18.810 of like, oh, hey, when I'm doing this thing, 00:07:18.930 --> 00:07:22.430 like I actually feel really alive. I feel really 00:07:22.430 --> 00:07:25.389 connected to God and or connected to this community 00:07:25.389 --> 00:07:28.509 that I'm. part of or whatever right like i think 00:07:28.509 --> 00:07:30.730 that's a good sort of way to think about okay 00:07:30.730 --> 00:07:33.649 is this actually what god is calling me to do 00:07:33.649 --> 00:07:36.209 it's ways we can feel god working through you 00:07:36.209 --> 00:07:39.930 in it yeah yeah yeah are there other ways that 00:07:39.930 --> 00:07:42.670 you think like things that might help us to identify 00:07:42.670 --> 00:07:46.009 our spiritual gifts i think if it's something 00:07:46.009 --> 00:07:49.029 that you're naturally interested in or gravitating 00:07:49.029 --> 00:07:52.750 towards even in like even in christianity like 00:07:52.750 --> 00:07:56.100 even when i started you know A lot of like Christian 00:07:56.100 --> 00:07:59.639 YouTube stuff I found was more interesting was 00:07:59.639 --> 00:08:03.079 spiritual warfare. Sure. You know, so I think 00:08:03.079 --> 00:08:05.500 that which kind of looking it up, it kind of 00:08:05.500 --> 00:08:09.399 is like discernment of spirits, you know, you 00:08:09.399 --> 00:08:11.660 know. But I mean, for other people, it could 00:08:11.660 --> 00:08:15.620 be, you know, whatever, you know, it's not it's 00:08:15.620 --> 00:08:20.100 not necessarily. It's something that you really 00:08:20.100 --> 00:08:22.560 do have to discover. Sure. You know, it's not, 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:26.870 you know. It's not something that's, and I don't 00:08:26.870 --> 00:08:28.689 think it's something inherently known. It's just 00:08:28.689 --> 00:08:32.259 sort of, you just have to see, okay, well. What 00:08:32.259 --> 00:08:34.799 are you gravitating towards? Sure. Absolutely. 00:08:35.139 --> 00:08:37.620 I think on that point, how do we discover them 00:08:37.620 --> 00:08:40.759 is by trying things out. Sure. A lot of times, 00:08:40.799 --> 00:08:43.539 especially growing up through school, the classic 00:08:43.539 --> 00:08:45.000 question is like, oh, what do you want to do 00:08:45.000 --> 00:08:47.019 for a job afterwards? The classic answer is, 00:08:47.039 --> 00:08:50.320 I have no idea. Yeah, yeah. But by slowly trying 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:52.600 things out, testing, like seeing if you can volunteer 00:08:52.600 --> 00:08:54.980 somewhere, just put yourself out there a little 00:08:54.980 --> 00:08:57.100 bit. And that doesn't have to be extrovert. I'm 00:08:57.100 --> 00:08:58.799 going to say hi to everyone or do everything. 00:08:58.980 --> 00:09:02.070 But back -end stuff, too, works. As long as you're 00:09:02.070 --> 00:09:04.750 trying things out, you get to test the waters 00:09:04.750 --> 00:09:06.730 and see this is something you feel. Oh, no, not 00:09:06.730 --> 00:09:09.450 that one. Oh, maybe this one. Yeah. And I think 00:09:09.450 --> 00:09:13.029 for folks who have some level of like like leadership 00:09:13.029 --> 00:09:14.929 or influence other people over other people, 00:09:14.950 --> 00:09:17.389 just like inviting them to try new things with 00:09:17.389 --> 00:09:20.110 you, I think is really helpful. Like I can think 00:09:20.110 --> 00:09:23.450 like. Before even starting this role, I was like, 00:09:23.490 --> 00:09:28.029 podcast. Like, maybe I guess that's part of the 00:09:28.029 --> 00:09:30.870 job, but like whatever. But like being able being 00:09:30.870 --> 00:09:33.509 invited into it and being able to like have this 00:09:33.509 --> 00:09:35.549 practice and realize like, oh, this is actually 00:09:35.549 --> 00:09:37.230 just a space where I can like have conversations 00:09:37.230 --> 00:09:39.169 with people. Like, I really like doing that. 00:09:39.490 --> 00:09:42.070 I'm good at conversation. Right. Yeah. I think 00:09:42.070 --> 00:09:45.549 being in a program where it forces you to try 00:09:45.549 --> 00:09:48.720 different avenues. Sure. Definitely helps. Like 00:09:48.720 --> 00:09:50.360 when I was going through film and television, 00:09:50.600 --> 00:09:54.799 first year you have to do, you have to do writing, 00:09:54.919 --> 00:10:01.340 directing, sound. Okay. Cinematography. Doesn't 00:10:01.340 --> 00:10:03.159 matter if you don't like it or you never want 00:10:03.159 --> 00:10:05.299 to touch it. Cover the base. You have to, you 00:10:05.299 --> 00:10:07.840 have to at least get a 50. Okay. Bye. You know, 00:10:07.840 --> 00:10:11.399 right? So it's either going to be like. I hate 00:10:11.399 --> 00:10:14.340 this. I never want to touch this or, Oh, I didn't 00:10:14.340 --> 00:10:17.299 know I was good at this or, Oh, maybe let's explore 00:10:17.299 --> 00:10:20.179 this. And then second year, you start to streamline 00:10:20.179 --> 00:10:23.139 with, you know, you'll be in the writing stream 00:10:23.139 --> 00:10:25.740 and the directing stream, cinematography stream, 00:10:25.860 --> 00:10:28.100 that kind of editing, all that kind of stuff. 00:10:28.200 --> 00:10:30.840 So, but it's like first year. No, you're doing 00:10:30.840 --> 00:10:34.379 everything. Don't like it too bad. You may have. 00:10:37.309 --> 00:10:40.230 Three miserable classes and two all good. We 00:10:40.230 --> 00:10:43.929 got two good. We got two good. But it's designed 00:10:43.929 --> 00:10:48.970 to be able to explore it. But also another good 00:10:48.970 --> 00:10:51.409 thing about that, especially if you're planning 00:10:51.409 --> 00:10:54.830 on being a director, is being able to see every 00:10:54.830 --> 00:10:58.289 aspect of it. Sure. Because there's nothing worse 00:10:58.289 --> 00:11:01.090 than a director with an ego that thinks they 00:11:01.090 --> 00:11:04.399 know everything about everything. Sure. And then 00:11:04.399 --> 00:11:07.500 they just ruin everything. Sure. They're acting 00:11:07.500 --> 00:11:10.080 solo. They're not using the team. Exactly. People 00:11:10.080 --> 00:11:12.259 have their gifts, but you can't have all of them. 00:11:12.320 --> 00:11:16.620 Unless you're God. God has all of them. I think 00:11:16.620 --> 00:11:19.279 it's important to seek out other people with 00:11:19.279 --> 00:11:22.389 different gifts to help. with the same thing 00:11:22.389 --> 00:11:25.230 sure yeah yeah yeah keep thinking one thing that 00:11:25.230 --> 00:11:27.409 was popping in my head is both the ability of 00:11:27.409 --> 00:11:29.330 like oh everyone has their gift and there's always 00:11:29.330 --> 00:11:32.129 the cliche of like everyone's special which yes 00:11:32.129 --> 00:11:34.970 but there's also have news of like don't disregard 00:11:34.970 --> 00:11:37.690 anyone respect everyone but also look for ways 00:11:37.690 --> 00:11:39.649 that other people could be a really good benefit 00:11:39.649 --> 00:11:42.090 yeah lots of places where i'm like oh i i didn't 00:11:42.090 --> 00:11:43.970 think that i could really help out here but maybe 00:11:43.970 --> 00:11:46.700 i can or actually I know a friend. They would 00:11:46.700 --> 00:11:49.159 be excellent here. Right. Yeah. And so it's great 00:11:49.159 --> 00:11:52.960 to look out for others. Yeah. So on the flip 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:54.679 side of that, like, are there things that you 00:11:54.679 --> 00:11:57.600 think get in the way of us being able to identify 00:11:57.600 --> 00:12:01.340 our spiritual gifts? I think just busy schedules 00:12:01.340 --> 00:12:04.779 is a big one and lots of, especially right now, 00:12:04.779 --> 00:12:06.700 there's lots of big issues in the world where 00:12:06.700 --> 00:12:08.960 maybe it's just the news generically reading 00:12:08.960 --> 00:12:11.039 that or whether it's something like the economy 00:12:11.039 --> 00:12:13.100 of going, I quick, I need to make more money. 00:12:13.120 --> 00:12:16.120 I have to focus more on work, school, and we're 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:18.399 always running around. So I think a lot of times 00:12:18.399 --> 00:12:20.970 busy schedules, it just keeps us. distracted 00:12:20.970 --> 00:12:23.549 from looking at it or looking for others. Yeah. 00:12:23.690 --> 00:12:26.289 Yeah. I think another factor that gets in the 00:12:26.289 --> 00:12:29.330 way is the secular world. Sure. Everything that's 00:12:29.330 --> 00:12:31.830 outside of our church and our Christian community, 00:12:31.929 --> 00:12:35.929 you know, because the non -Christians are not 00:12:35.929 --> 00:12:39.070 going to get it. Yeah. This is how it is. You 00:12:39.070 --> 00:12:40.909 spend time with Christian community, you spend 00:12:40.909 --> 00:12:44.149 time outside, you're like, okay, you know, there's 00:12:44.149 --> 00:12:46.230 some things that are going to go way over their 00:12:46.230 --> 00:12:48.909 head or they're going to discount or they're 00:12:48.909 --> 00:12:51.509 just not going to like, get or they're gonna 00:12:51.509 --> 00:12:55.409 try to discourage you know so i think that also 00:12:55.409 --> 00:12:58.809 plays a factor in like like let's say you are 00:12:58.809 --> 00:13:01.970 supposed to be someone that serves or whatever 00:13:01.970 --> 00:13:04.549 it's like then but it's like oh but you gotta 00:13:04.549 --> 00:13:07.850 you you know you gotta focus on making more money 00:13:07.850 --> 00:13:11.450 or you gotta or you or you shouldn't be why are 00:13:11.450 --> 00:13:13.289 you spending all your time with these church 00:13:13.289 --> 00:13:15.529 people or whatever you know what i mean like 00:13:15.529 --> 00:13:19.440 so it definitely can have a negative effect for 00:13:19.440 --> 00:13:22.659 sure yeah i think like sort of as we've said 00:13:22.659 --> 00:13:24.960 in a few different ways like being plugged into 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:26.759 christian community is like really essential 00:13:26.759 --> 00:13:30.179 to that like discernment process right that like 00:13:30.179 --> 00:13:32.940 as we work with other people we get to learn 00:13:32.940 --> 00:13:35.220 okay i'm good at this and ben is really good 00:13:35.220 --> 00:13:38.210 at that right and like let's let's each do our 00:13:38.210 --> 00:13:40.610 things but like working together towards the 00:13:40.610 --> 00:13:43.509 same goal right um yeah and just people who like 00:13:43.509 --> 00:13:46.110 have the same values and like are like encouraging 00:13:46.110 --> 00:13:48.850 you to figure out you know what what is yours 00:13:48.850 --> 00:13:51.909 to do absolutely yeah i think it's interesting 00:13:51.909 --> 00:13:53.230 as well you're saying the secular world often 00:13:53.230 --> 00:13:55.509 like distracts us by focusing on the wrong thing 00:13:55.509 --> 00:13:57.309 yeah especially depending on the people you're 00:13:57.309 --> 00:13:59.590 talking to there are people who do accidentally 00:13:59.590 --> 00:14:02.190 like focus on their things that aren't necessarily 00:14:02.190 --> 00:14:04.470 essential to us but there is also some great 00:14:04.470 --> 00:14:06.320 challenges as well from people outside the faith 00:14:06.320 --> 00:14:09.179 too. So it's great to see both sides and have 00:14:09.179 --> 00:14:11.980 conversations with everyone you can. Even people 00:14:11.980 --> 00:14:14.740 you disagree with can still really have some 00:14:14.740 --> 00:14:16.860 constructive conversations. It's great. Yeah. 00:14:17.000 --> 00:14:20.580 And I think sometimes the things that we do outside 00:14:20.580 --> 00:14:24.480 of church, like inform, like can equally, first 00:14:24.480 --> 00:14:27.379 of all, be spiritual gifts. Oh yeah. But can 00:14:27.379 --> 00:14:31.009 also like inform. how we serve in the church, 00:14:31.190 --> 00:14:34.029 right? Like if someone is really like professionally, 00:14:34.169 --> 00:14:37.850 like has a certain kind of skill or just like 00:14:37.850 --> 00:14:40.590 they know, oh, hey, I really enjoy like being 00:14:40.590 --> 00:14:43.289 outdoors and like leading people on hikes or 00:14:43.289 --> 00:14:45.549 whatever it is, right? Then like knowing, hey, 00:14:45.649 --> 00:14:47.889 I can like bring that into the church and like 00:14:47.889 --> 00:14:51.110 use my passion for the natural world, use my 00:14:51.110 --> 00:14:54.350 passion for like gathering community in a like 00:14:54.350 --> 00:14:57.799 Christlike setting as well. Yeah. Absolutely. 00:14:57.799 --> 00:14:59.759 It's very fun to see where all the things kind 00:14:59.759 --> 00:15:02.820 of combine for both just experiences and the 00:15:02.820 --> 00:15:04.440 community. Hey, there's lots of people who have 00:15:04.440 --> 00:15:06.240 gifts. There's lots of people just with experiences 00:15:06.240 --> 00:15:08.139 who can help other people maybe discover them, 00:15:08.179 --> 00:15:11.279 too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. So Rob talking 00:15:11.279 --> 00:15:14.720 about spiritual gifts being powered by the Holy 00:15:14.720 --> 00:15:21.539 Spirit. So like, what does that mean? Like, what 00:15:21.539 --> 00:15:27.690 does that look like? Yeah. With it being powered 00:15:27.690 --> 00:15:29.269 by the Holy Spirit. Yeah, as opposed to like 00:15:29.269 --> 00:15:33.090 powered by me. I don't know. Powered by cereal. 00:15:33.289 --> 00:15:36.549 Yeah, maybe. Powered by a balanced breakfast. 00:15:36.850 --> 00:15:41.610 Exactly. I think powered by the Holy Spirit is 00:15:41.610 --> 00:15:44.289 that it's, I think that comes down to the intention. 00:15:44.649 --> 00:15:48.350 Okay. Like, like you can have a gift. Like, let's 00:15:48.350 --> 00:15:49.970 say you could have, let's say you have a gift 00:15:49.970 --> 00:15:53.509 for writing. Sure. But. Are you writing horror 00:15:53.509 --> 00:15:57.529 stories and like things that are like very non 00:15:57.529 --> 00:16:01.070 -Christian, very demonic? Sure. Or are you writing 00:16:01.070 --> 00:16:04.110 for a series like The Chosen? Okay. Right. You 00:16:04.110 --> 00:16:06.649 know, like where, where are you? Like you can 00:16:06.649 --> 00:16:11.350 use the same gift to, to help, uh, to help be 00:16:11.350 --> 00:16:14.870 a light or be a darkness. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 00:16:14.950 --> 00:16:17.649 So it goes to like how we then use that gift, 00:16:17.710 --> 00:16:20.169 the direction that it's pointed towards. OK. 00:16:20.309 --> 00:16:22.730 Yeah. What would you sort of add to that? I think 00:16:22.730 --> 00:16:24.990 one of the nice things is having just a spiritual 00:16:24.990 --> 00:16:27.870 gift means God's in the background. So it almost 00:16:27.870 --> 00:16:30.289 gives it an extra bit of like support behind. 00:16:30.389 --> 00:16:32.870 Sure. Where if I was just trying something all 00:16:32.870 --> 00:16:35.370 solely on my own, I'm great and all, but not 00:16:35.370 --> 00:16:38.690 that great. But having someone behind you, it 00:16:38.690 --> 00:16:40.750 means that you have more support going forward. 00:16:40.769 --> 00:16:43.129 There's more of like. fail safes or more people 00:16:43.129 --> 00:16:45.169 to surround yourself with especially for community 00:16:45.169 --> 00:16:46.990 especially in the church is really helpful for 00:16:46.990 --> 00:16:49.009 that yeah yeah is being able to just go through 00:16:49.009 --> 00:16:51.289 instead of just on your own strength you can 00:16:51.289 --> 00:16:53.830 have a lot bigger and better people behind you 00:16:53.830 --> 00:16:57.129 sure yeah you can lean more on god on the harder 00:16:57.129 --> 00:17:00.149 times yeah absolutely and it means that like 00:17:00.149 --> 00:17:05.440 when i get tired of using my gift because like 00:17:05.440 --> 00:17:08.359 just because it's a spiritual gift from god doesn't 00:17:08.359 --> 00:17:10.660 mean that i won't experience all of the like 00:17:10.660 --> 00:17:13.079 human feelings about it absolutely i can be like 00:17:13.079 --> 00:17:16.400 i really do love serving and serving people really 00:17:16.400 --> 00:17:18.819 helps me feel connected to god and i'm feeling 00:17:18.819 --> 00:17:21.740 tired and burnt out yes these can both be true 00:17:21.740 --> 00:17:27.079 um and so like when that happens being able to 00:17:27.079 --> 00:17:29.759 like go back and be like I'm not doing this on 00:17:29.759 --> 00:17:33.500 my own, right? I'm doing this through the power 00:17:33.500 --> 00:17:36.059 of God in connection with Christian community. 00:17:36.380 --> 00:17:40.299 Like I think that first of all, helps us to prevent 00:17:40.299 --> 00:17:43.019 some kind of burnout because I'm not, I'm not 00:17:43.019 --> 00:17:45.339 doing it because I feel like I need to do it. 00:17:45.359 --> 00:17:48.140 I'm doing it because this is what God has asked 00:17:48.140 --> 00:17:51.440 me to do. And therefore. When I need to take 00:17:51.440 --> 00:17:54.500 a break from it, God is still able to do it. 00:17:54.619 --> 00:17:57.859 Even without me. And when I take a break, he's 00:17:57.859 --> 00:18:00.220 still there to support me during the hard times 00:18:00.220 --> 00:18:02.099 when I'm actually working and when I'm resting. 00:18:02.160 --> 00:18:04.619 He can give me more of that rest that actually 00:18:04.619 --> 00:18:06.920 lets me recover faster. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:09.039 So just like I think all of those pieces, just 00:18:09.039 --> 00:18:12.440 that reminder that it does not depend on me is 00:18:12.440 --> 00:18:15.579 super helpful. And I think a good reminder of 00:18:15.579 --> 00:18:20.589 that is Moses. Because he had to... lead all 00:18:20.589 --> 00:18:22.869 of his he had to lead his people yep and then 00:18:22.869 --> 00:18:25.710 of course even then they didn't do such a great 00:18:25.710 --> 00:18:29.210 job because it took uh 40 years to get to uh 00:18:29.210 --> 00:18:32.309 uh israel you know yeah yeah when it's not supposed 00:18:32.309 --> 00:18:34.950 to take that long yes right you know yes but 00:18:34.950 --> 00:18:38.930 it's you know you know he was moses was called 00:18:38.930 --> 00:18:42.089 by god even if at times he was kicking and screaming 00:18:42.089 --> 00:18:46.670 about yes yeah but it's like But that in that 00:18:46.670 --> 00:18:49.269 story, it's about you still follow through. You 00:18:49.269 --> 00:18:52.470 still have to go. You know, it's not, you know, 00:18:52.490 --> 00:18:55.210 just because God will bless you with the gift 00:18:55.210 --> 00:18:59.250 or so or will give you success doesn't mean it's 00:18:59.250 --> 00:19:02.190 going to come easy. You know, it's like, OK, 00:19:02.369 --> 00:19:04.109 you know, God will be like, yeah, you'll be successful. 00:19:04.869 --> 00:19:07.049 I didn't say how long it's going to take. I didn't 00:19:07.049 --> 00:19:09.390 say how many bumps it's going to take. I didn't 00:19:09.390 --> 00:19:12.029 say, you know, you know how much you're going 00:19:12.029 --> 00:19:14.460 to have to go through. If you stick with me, 00:19:14.500 --> 00:19:16.500 you'll be successful. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 00:19:16.539 --> 00:19:19.460 Yeah. And I think that's also helpful as we think 00:19:19.460 --> 00:19:21.200 about spiritual gifts are like things that we 00:19:21.200 --> 00:19:26.180 can grow in. Right. It's not like, oh, I tried, 00:19:26.539 --> 00:19:29.900 you know, public speaking this one time and I 00:19:29.900 --> 00:19:32.839 really bombed. And so therefore that cannot be 00:19:32.839 --> 00:19:35.940 my spiritual gift. Maybe it's not. But but maybe 00:19:35.940 --> 00:19:39.740 I need to like practice a bit. Absolutely. Like 00:19:39.740 --> 00:19:41.539 growing up through school, I was terrible at 00:19:41.539 --> 00:19:43.500 public speaking. I wanted to avoid it at pretty 00:19:43.500 --> 00:19:46.480 much every cost. Sure. But as I grew up going 00:19:46.480 --> 00:19:49.099 down some of my jobs, the best part of my job 00:19:49.099 --> 00:19:51.000 is speaking in front of large groups of people. 00:19:51.099 --> 00:19:53.500 Right. It becomes something that's a lot of fun 00:19:53.500 --> 00:19:55.900 for me. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. So like learning to 00:19:55.900 --> 00:19:59.359 grow in that is super important. Yeah. Um, so 00:19:59.359 --> 00:20:02.380 then the other piece of this sort of conversation 00:20:02.380 --> 00:20:04.599 that's really important is that, you know, we 00:20:04.599 --> 00:20:06.960 each have our spiritual gifts, but they all work 00:20:06.960 --> 00:20:09.579 together. Um, right. So I'm just going to read 00:20:09.579 --> 00:20:11.960 a little bit of the passage that we read in the 00:20:11.960 --> 00:20:15.480 service, uh, from first Corinthians chapter 12, 00:20:15.599 --> 00:20:20.140 um, starting at verse 15, where it says, if the 00:20:20.140 --> 00:20:22.420 foot should say, because I am not a hand, I do 00:20:22.420 --> 00:20:24.519 not belong to the body. It would not for that 00:20:24.519 --> 00:20:27.420 reason cease to be part of the body. And if the 00:20:27.420 --> 00:20:29.539 ear should say, because I'm not an eye, I don't 00:20:29.539 --> 00:20:31.619 belong to the body, it would not for that reason 00:20:31.619 --> 00:20:34.299 cease to be part of the body. If the whole body 00:20:34.299 --> 00:20:36.099 were an eye, where would the sense of hearing 00:20:36.099 --> 00:20:38.559 be? If the whole body were an ear, where would 00:20:38.559 --> 00:20:41.380 the sense of smell be? But in fact, God arranged 00:20:41.380 --> 00:20:43.599 the parts in the body, every one of them, just 00:20:43.599 --> 00:20:46.200 as he wanted them to be. And if they were all 00:20:46.200 --> 00:20:49.039 one part, where would the body be? As it is, 00:20:49.079 --> 00:20:53.720 there are many parts, but one body. So Paul has 00:20:53.720 --> 00:20:56.259 been using this. body imagery to describe the 00:20:56.259 --> 00:20:58.160 church and sort of says, OK, there's all of these 00:20:58.160 --> 00:21:02.779 different parts. So as you sort of reflect on 00:21:02.779 --> 00:21:05.579 that scripture passage, like what what stands 00:21:05.579 --> 00:21:07.920 out to you? What does it tell us about how we 00:21:07.920 --> 00:21:10.799 function and serve together? I think the thing 00:21:10.799 --> 00:21:12.579 that comes back to me is always the helping out 00:21:12.579 --> 00:21:15.119 with people as a team. You don't have to do anything 00:21:15.119 --> 00:21:18.000 alone, but it's always the looking out for others, 00:21:18.160 --> 00:21:19.900 whether they think, hey, they have some really 00:21:19.900 --> 00:21:21.599 good strengths here or just saying, hey, I don't 00:21:21.599 --> 00:21:24.779 know if this is my role. It allows us to both 00:21:24.779 --> 00:21:27.119 lean on each other more and lean on God at the 00:21:27.119 --> 00:21:30.200 same time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. For me, 00:21:30.200 --> 00:21:34.039 what stands out is everybody has value and respect 00:21:34.039 --> 00:21:37.339 everybody because they all have a part to play. 00:21:37.500 --> 00:21:40.799 They're not there just for the heck of it. They're 00:21:40.799 --> 00:21:45.880 there because to serve a purpose. That's one 00:21:45.880 --> 00:21:49.440 thing that I saw that was a struggle with a lot 00:21:49.440 --> 00:21:52.900 of people in film and television. It was a lot 00:21:52.900 --> 00:21:56.220 of ego. OK, but then again, when you're 20, of 00:21:56.220 --> 00:21:57.759 course, you're going to have a lot of, you know, 00:21:57.759 --> 00:22:01.099 but it's like nobody wanted to take the lesser 00:22:01.099 --> 00:22:03.779 role, the smaller role. Sure. Nobody wanted to 00:22:03.779 --> 00:22:06.359 learn about that. It was all about I got to be 00:22:06.359 --> 00:22:08.599 the big bad director. I got to be the boss. I 00:22:08.599 --> 00:22:11.259 got to control everybody, you know, and that's 00:22:11.259 --> 00:22:13.440 not how it's supposed to be. And you need to 00:22:13.440 --> 00:22:16.299 be able to see, OK, if something's breaking down, 00:22:16.500 --> 00:22:19.720 where is it and why is it? Yeah. And, you know, 00:22:19.720 --> 00:22:22.740 how can we help? How can we, you know, you know. 00:22:23.240 --> 00:22:26.200 Like, how can we solve that issue? You know, 00:22:26.220 --> 00:22:28.859 you have to know all the smaller parts before 00:22:28.859 --> 00:22:31.299 you can really understand the bigger picture. 00:22:31.740 --> 00:22:34.279 Absolutely. If you're a big director who just 00:22:34.279 --> 00:22:36.240 ignores a lot of the smaller aspects, smaller 00:22:36.240 --> 00:22:38.500 parts, there's a lot of things that can go missing 00:22:38.500 --> 00:22:41.339 and go wrong. Sure. Yes. Yeah. You need the extras. 00:22:41.599 --> 00:22:44.359 Absolutely. The extras are very valuable. Yeah. 00:22:44.359 --> 00:22:49.799 Yeah. I think that. Yeah, that like team bit 00:22:49.799 --> 00:22:52.180 is another piece that's like really important, 00:22:52.279 --> 00:22:54.200 I think, to think about. And yeah, it connects 00:22:54.200 --> 00:22:55.779 with what you were also saying, Amovil, about 00:22:55.779 --> 00:23:00.599 that every person has a role to play. Right. 00:23:00.720 --> 00:23:04.579 And I think sometimes we can like. start to try 00:23:04.579 --> 00:23:06.579 and like rank spiritual gifts and we're like 00:23:06.579 --> 00:23:10.259 ah this is the most essential but actually like 00:23:10.259 --> 00:23:12.519 so if you were to like look at like the church 00:23:12.519 --> 00:23:14.680 staff team for example you might say well rob 00:23:14.680 --> 00:23:16.640 is obviously the most important because he's 00:23:16.640 --> 00:23:18.299 like senior pastor he does all the preaching 00:23:18.299 --> 00:23:20.579 and like you know libby she's pretty important 00:23:20.579 --> 00:23:22.339 because she like leads us in worship and singing 00:23:22.339 --> 00:23:25.579 every day but actually I think and everybody 00:23:25.579 --> 00:23:27.799 has really important roles to play. But I think 00:23:27.799 --> 00:23:29.960 the person who holds this church together is 00:23:29.960 --> 00:23:32.259 Mary, who's our office administrator. Right. 00:23:32.339 --> 00:23:34.819 And she just like does all of these things that 00:23:34.819 --> 00:23:37.339 nobody ever sees. And like when I'm like, Mary, 00:23:37.460 --> 00:23:39.420 I don't understand what's happening. Like, where 00:23:39.420 --> 00:23:42.660 do I find this thing? She knows. Right. So it's 00:23:42.660 --> 00:23:46.160 like it's those each of those pieces that I think 00:23:46.160 --> 00:23:49.059 feel so important. And I think another thing 00:23:49.059 --> 00:23:52.180 and I and I can relate this back to. a terrible 00:23:52.180 --> 00:23:54.519 film project that I had to be involved. Sure. 00:23:54.940 --> 00:23:59.279 Is, uh, is you need to trust the expertise of 00:23:59.279 --> 00:24:02.319 other people. You need to trust that they know 00:24:02.319 --> 00:24:04.640 what they're talking about. Yeah. You know, if 00:24:04.640 --> 00:24:07.500 they signed up for a role, they have a strong 00:24:07.500 --> 00:24:11.099 opinion on it. Trust that they're, they're saying 00:24:11.099 --> 00:24:14.140 it for a reason. It's not be, you know, just 00:24:14.140 --> 00:24:16.019 because you're the director and you want this, 00:24:16.019 --> 00:24:19.839 that, and the other thing, you know, you're not 00:24:19.839 --> 00:24:22.819 it may not be practical yeah you have to listen 00:24:22.819 --> 00:24:26.400 to people that say okay here's here's how you 00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:28.299 want to here's what you'd have to do to achieve 00:24:28.299 --> 00:24:30.720 this right here's some alternatives you know 00:24:30.720 --> 00:24:34.160 and you just have to you know so you have to 00:24:34.160 --> 00:24:36.380 listen to everybody in the church as well yeah 00:24:36.380 --> 00:24:39.019 yeah you know why are things not attendance is 00:24:39.019 --> 00:24:42.500 not as strong you know you gotta listen to people 00:24:42.500 --> 00:24:46.019 at different aspects sure you know yeah yeah 00:24:46.019 --> 00:24:49.589 yeah and i think it's that is trusting that God 00:24:49.589 --> 00:24:52.250 is at work, even in the things that I don't understand. 00:24:52.470 --> 00:24:56.809 Yes. Right. Like there are some jobs or some 00:24:56.809 --> 00:24:58.190 things that might be happening that I'm like, 00:24:58.230 --> 00:25:01.430 that's not my passion. That's like, if, if my 00:25:01.430 --> 00:25:04.690 church didn't do this particular ministry, that's 00:25:04.690 --> 00:25:07.230 no skin off my back. I don't do whatever. Right. 00:25:07.309 --> 00:25:09.109 But trusting that God is still at work in that 00:25:09.109 --> 00:25:11.569 thing because God has gifted certain people to 00:25:11.569 --> 00:25:14.490 serve in that way. And that is ministering and 00:25:14.490 --> 00:25:17.500 doing important work for somebody. Right. And, 00:25:17.599 --> 00:25:19.559 and I don't need to understand it for that to 00:25:19.559 --> 00:25:22.480 be valid. Yeah. Yeah. Like I wouldn't want to 00:25:22.480 --> 00:25:25.579 be an usher, but it's, it's an important thing. 00:25:25.579 --> 00:25:28.220 Right. You know, versus I'm sure people wouldn't 00:25:28.220 --> 00:25:30.740 want to be a side door greeter or whatever, but 00:25:30.740 --> 00:25:33.599 that's also important. Yeah. Making the coffee. 00:25:33.640 --> 00:25:37.079 That's important. Yeah. Being, you know, be preparing 00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:39.559 the communion wine and doing with all of that. 00:25:39.559 --> 00:25:42.220 That's important. Yeah. It doesn't have to be, 00:25:42.299 --> 00:25:44.220 you don't have to do all of it, but you have 00:25:44.220 --> 00:25:47.000 to. You have to have people that are willing 00:25:47.000 --> 00:25:50.240 to step up and do that. Absolutely. This thing 00:25:50.240 --> 00:25:52.480 is funny. Going back to your saying where you're 00:25:52.480 --> 00:25:54.380 trying to like ranking people where they stand 00:25:54.380 --> 00:25:56.799 or just doing tier lists is the classic thing 00:25:56.799 --> 00:25:58.500 where people tier lists say, oh, this is the 00:25:58.500 --> 00:26:00.579 best or this is the one we need. But whenever 00:26:00.579 --> 00:26:02.460 you do a tier list, it oftentimes feels like 00:26:02.460 --> 00:26:04.420 we forget that, oh, wait, all of the parts are 00:26:04.420 --> 00:26:06.359 needed. All of them are important. Yeah. Even 00:26:06.359 --> 00:26:07.799 the ones at the bottom, you don't have them. 00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:10.660 It all tends to just fall apart. Right. So even 00:26:10.660 --> 00:26:13.200 if some parts might end up having a more important 00:26:13.200 --> 00:26:16.279 role for some bigger roles, maybe. Right. We 00:26:16.279 --> 00:26:18.700 still need everyone. Yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes. 00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:22.519 Yes. I still need both of my ears, ideally. Ideally. 00:26:22.720 --> 00:26:25.700 People function without them. You can. Yes. Good 00:26:25.700 --> 00:26:27.819 for them. I would like to keep both of my ears. 00:26:27.900 --> 00:26:30.009 We can function without ears. We're just usually 00:26:30.009 --> 00:26:33.569 better off if I can hear. Yes. Hearing tends 00:26:33.569 --> 00:26:38.569 to help. Yes, yes, yes, for sure, for sure. So 00:26:38.569 --> 00:26:41.410 then what are some of the ways or some of the 00:26:41.410 --> 00:26:43.170 things that you think sometimes get in the way 00:26:43.170 --> 00:26:46.630 of Christians sort of seeing themselves as this 00:26:46.630 --> 00:26:50.220 one body with many gifts? Do you think that's 00:26:50.220 --> 00:26:52.460 something that comes naturally to us or are there 00:26:52.460 --> 00:26:55.200 challenges there? I think sometimes isolation 00:26:55.200 --> 00:26:57.460 in some sense is a big thing for that. Whether 00:26:57.460 --> 00:27:00.000 that's big or small, sometimes it's just doing 00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:02.640 stuff too often by yourself or in a small, really 00:27:02.640 --> 00:27:04.980 close -knit team where you're too focused on 00:27:04.980 --> 00:27:06.799 just what you're doing. You don't see the broader 00:27:06.799 --> 00:27:10.119 picture. Or if you are genuinely isolated and 00:27:10.119 --> 00:27:12.380 you don't get to see a lot of people, then you 00:27:12.380 --> 00:27:13.720 don't get to see all the influence that they 00:27:13.720 --> 00:27:15.940 have. So it feels like you're just focusing on 00:27:15.940 --> 00:27:18.339 only you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. 00:27:18.460 --> 00:27:21.059 I think it also depends on did you grow up in 00:27:21.059 --> 00:27:23.480 a Christian community or did you come to Christ 00:27:23.480 --> 00:27:27.559 later on? Okay, okay. Because self -worth can 00:27:27.559 --> 00:27:30.700 be a factor as well. Sure. Like if you don't 00:27:30.700 --> 00:27:33.660 value yourself, I don't want to volunteer. I'm 00:27:33.660 --> 00:27:36.220 not going to be good. I'm just going to sit at 00:27:36.220 --> 00:27:38.980 the back of the church and hum along a little 00:27:38.980 --> 00:27:40.740 bit, you know? Sure. You know, right? Yeah, yeah, 00:27:40.740 --> 00:27:44.200 yeah. You've got to sort of like build that up. 00:27:46.829 --> 00:27:50.549 uh church community if you haven't seen you know 00:27:50.549 --> 00:27:53.569 christ's love in in the congregation you're not 00:27:53.569 --> 00:27:56.230 you know you're not going to be as willing to 00:27:56.230 --> 00:27:59.569 be like okay you know let me try even if it doesn't 00:27:59.569 --> 00:28:01.650 work i'm not going to be crucified for it you 00:28:01.650 --> 00:28:05.039 know yeah Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I think that's 00:28:05.039 --> 00:28:07.759 a really fair point that like, yeah, seeing other 00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:11.079 people serve in lots of different ways in enables 00:28:11.079 --> 00:28:14.140 us to like see ourselves in different roles. 00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:16.079 Right. Like not everybody's going to be like, 00:28:16.180 --> 00:28:18.619 Oh yeah, I really want to do, I really could 00:28:18.619 --> 00:28:21.200 do like the stuff that is really super visible 00:28:21.200 --> 00:28:22.940 though. Like Rob stuff or the Libby stuff or 00:28:22.940 --> 00:28:26.859 whatever. Right. But like, Oh, I could stand 00:28:26.859 --> 00:28:29.319 at a door and say good morning to people as they 00:28:29.319 --> 00:28:33.230 walk in. Right. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's just 00:28:33.230 --> 00:28:35.109 interesting as well, whenever I think that the 00:28:35.109 --> 00:28:37.250 gifts and how we're going to use them to help 00:28:37.250 --> 00:28:39.450 out the others. Yeah. Whenever we start to think, 00:28:39.529 --> 00:28:41.509 oh, I can do it a little bit better than others, 00:28:41.569 --> 00:28:43.789 we get to focus a little too much on, oh, why 00:28:43.789 --> 00:28:45.470 can't I do it better? I think this. And then 00:28:45.470 --> 00:28:47.529 the moment you see someone else try and not do 00:28:47.529 --> 00:28:49.390 it the same way you do. Yeah. A lot of times 00:28:49.390 --> 00:28:51.930 I feel like we get really focused on, oh, OK, 00:28:52.089 --> 00:28:54.589 I think I'm just better at this part. Yeah. Where 00:28:54.589 --> 00:28:56.329 oftentimes instead of saying, oh, I'm better, 00:28:56.390 --> 00:28:58.619 sometimes. really good to take a step back and 00:28:58.619 --> 00:29:00.259 think oh how can i actually help this person 00:29:00.259 --> 00:29:02.779 learn oh we can do this together right or it's 00:29:02.779 --> 00:29:05.619 those times go okay i didn't do that well i can 00:29:05.619 --> 00:29:07.700 take a step back and try and just review i think 00:29:07.700 --> 00:29:09.779 a little bit of reflection can go a long way 00:29:09.779 --> 00:29:11.660 and try to help see the bigger picture and see 00:29:12.250 --> 00:29:13.869 Where are parts where I can improve and where 00:29:13.869 --> 00:29:16.269 are parts where I need help? Sure. And like sometimes 00:29:16.269 --> 00:29:18.430 just recognizing that like the way that someone 00:29:18.430 --> 00:29:22.089 did something might just be different. Yes. It's 00:29:22.089 --> 00:29:24.130 maybe not better or worse. It's just different. 00:29:24.210 --> 00:29:26.329 And, you know, this is not always true. Sometimes 00:29:26.329 --> 00:29:28.269 there is a better and a worse way to do something. 00:29:29.369 --> 00:29:31.210 But yeah, I think the other thing that came to 00:29:31.210 --> 00:29:33.130 mind for me as you were saying that was like 00:29:33.130 --> 00:29:35.930 as soon as I start comparing myself to other 00:29:35.930 --> 00:29:38.089 people and saying, oh, well, I did that so much 00:29:38.089 --> 00:29:40.349 better. Like, oh, well, Ben did that so much 00:29:40.349 --> 00:29:42.549 better. And therefore, I'm like. terrible we're 00:29:42.549 --> 00:29:46.150 forgetting that it's the spirit that empowers 00:29:46.150 --> 00:29:49.170 those gifts right i didn't do better or worse 00:29:49.170 --> 00:29:53.450 because i it as if it all depended on my ability 00:29:53.450 --> 00:29:57.650 right like maybe i did better or worse because 00:29:57.650 --> 00:30:00.869 i was like relying or not relying on the spirit 00:30:00.869 --> 00:30:04.589 of god in something right like and this brings 00:30:04.589 --> 00:30:07.230 me to a whole other thing where like okay if 00:30:07.950 --> 00:30:11.470 Sometimes I wonder if like the like visible markers 00:30:11.470 --> 00:30:14.769 of success are actually not the most important. 00:30:14.930 --> 00:30:18.769 Right. Right. That like I could do my job really 00:30:18.769 --> 00:30:21.710 well and, you know, people could feel really 00:30:21.710 --> 00:30:25.109 welcome at church or whatever the job is. But 00:30:25.109 --> 00:30:28.450 if I was doing that for myself to make myself 00:30:28.450 --> 00:30:32.630 feel really good, is that success versus if I 00:30:32.630 --> 00:30:35.769 was doing that because I. believe that God loves 00:30:35.769 --> 00:30:37.710 and values each of these people and wants them 00:30:37.710 --> 00:30:40.349 to feel welcome in this space. Absolutely. That's 00:30:40.349 --> 00:30:42.190 one of the things I think is a lot of the visible 00:30:42.190 --> 00:30:45.049 things aren't necessarily as important. Not that 00:30:45.049 --> 00:30:47.410 they're not important as always, but sometimes 00:30:47.410 --> 00:30:50.230 it's, I think to finance for some of this, if 00:30:50.230 --> 00:30:52.289 you have a business that's booming where everyone's 00:30:52.289 --> 00:30:53.829 always flying to your doors, of course you're 00:30:53.829 --> 00:30:55.819 doing really well. Yeah. There's also a lot of 00:30:55.819 --> 00:30:57.619 places that are just really good at managing 00:30:57.619 --> 00:30:59.700 their money and make sure, okay, I'm being smart 00:30:59.700 --> 00:31:01.900 with how I like steward the resources that I 00:31:01.900 --> 00:31:04.180 do have. Sure. And that's of the resources that 00:31:04.180 --> 00:31:06.640 make it way more productive than sometimes the 00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:09.319 big flashy stuff. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For 00:31:09.319 --> 00:31:11.440 sure. Well, and then going back to your example, 00:31:11.500 --> 00:31:14.720 Kyla, I think it's like, if you're doing it for 00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:16.480 yourself, eventually that's going to fall apart. 00:31:16.619 --> 00:31:18.980 Sure. Because you're going to have bad days or 00:31:18.980 --> 00:31:21.019 whatever. Yep. You're going to be like, I don't 00:31:21.019 --> 00:31:23.670 feel like doing this today. Yeah. But it's like 00:31:23.670 --> 00:31:26.690 when you realize what the importance of your 00:31:26.690 --> 00:31:32.549 gift or your position is, that will carry you 00:31:32.549 --> 00:31:36.150 through. Like for me, you know, being a side 00:31:36.150 --> 00:31:39.630 door greeter, especially at the end of service, 00:31:39.970 --> 00:31:43.049 you know, I'm not as fond of it because sometimes 00:31:43.049 --> 00:31:44.710 you're waiting 20, 30 minutes because somebody 00:31:44.710 --> 00:31:48.049 needs the elevator, but they're chatting away 00:31:48.049 --> 00:31:50.730 or whatever. But you're there to provide a service, 00:31:50.930 --> 00:31:54.400 you know. And you just got to also remember that 00:31:54.400 --> 00:31:58.900 there's times where there could be a lot of nonsense 00:31:58.900 --> 00:32:01.839 or negative things happening in your life. Sure. 00:32:01.960 --> 00:32:04.500 But you get to that door, you stand there at 00:32:04.500 --> 00:32:08.279 the door that you have to let that go. You have 00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:12.160 to get that has to be wiped away, you know, because, 00:32:12.339 --> 00:32:16.000 you know, I mean, for one thing, for being a 00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:18.160 greeter, you know, everybody has their first 00:32:18.160 --> 00:32:20.970 day at Trinity Church. Yeah. You know. If your 00:32:20.970 --> 00:32:23.970 first day there, someone's miserable. Yeah. Yeah. 00:32:24.029 --> 00:32:28.490 Welcome. Whatever, you know, or just like they're 00:32:28.490 --> 00:32:32.190 texting on the phone, you know, that's not welcoming, 00:32:32.329 --> 00:32:34.970 you know, right. You know, but it, you know, 00:32:34.970 --> 00:32:36.829 you want to be, and again, it doesn't matter 00:32:36.829 --> 00:32:39.289 what you're going through. Somebody could be 00:32:39.289 --> 00:32:42.630 having a really horrible day. People, I mean, 00:32:42.630 --> 00:32:44.910 people come to the church at their lowest moments. 00:32:45.450 --> 00:32:48.710 So if their first interaction with you is. Oh, 00:32:48.789 --> 00:32:53.109 this gentleman or woman was nice. You know, that's 00:32:53.109 --> 00:32:55.569 helpful. That that's something important. Yeah. 00:32:55.569 --> 00:32:58.349 Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. And therefore that 00:32:58.349 --> 00:33:01.990 reminder that everything that we're doing is 00:33:01.990 --> 00:33:07.390 both powered by God's spirit and for the benefit 00:33:07.390 --> 00:33:11.029 of Christ and the church. Right. That, yeah, 00:33:11.089 --> 00:33:13.109 I think both of those are really important sort 00:33:13.109 --> 00:33:17.970 of pieces to keep in mind. Yeah. So as you think 00:33:17.970 --> 00:33:20.670 about this idea of the whole church being one 00:33:20.670 --> 00:33:24.269 body with all of these different gifts, are there 00:33:24.269 --> 00:33:25.809 any is there anything else that sort of stands 00:33:25.809 --> 00:33:27.950 out to you? Are there ways that you think we 00:33:27.950 --> 00:33:31.029 as a church can do better at reminding each other 00:33:31.029 --> 00:33:36.329 of that, of holding each other up? I think like 00:33:36.329 --> 00:33:38.450 especially when people trying to find people 00:33:38.450 --> 00:33:42.569 with gifts. Yeah. I think it's important to to 00:33:42.569 --> 00:33:45.630 to ask multiple people like, OK, if you're not. 00:33:45.950 --> 00:33:48.269 going to be if you don't volunteer who do you 00:33:48.269 --> 00:33:50.890 know that could right who do you think that could 00:33:50.890 --> 00:33:55.170 be good at this job you know you know it's like 00:33:55.170 --> 00:33:57.990 even when like the first time i did the podcast 00:33:57.990 --> 00:34:01.109 series it was like i didn't volunteer it was 00:34:01.109 --> 00:34:03.950 yeah it was uh like i didn't say yeah like uh 00:34:03.950 --> 00:34:07.809 you know it was sally that suggested and i said 00:34:07.809 --> 00:34:11.079 well it's like i don't know what i'm i don't 00:34:11.079 --> 00:34:13.059 know if i'll necessarily do a good job but i'll 00:34:13.059 --> 00:34:15.579 give it a shot i'll do it you know same with 00:34:15.579 --> 00:34:18.039 being a side dirt greeter yeah that was or being 00:34:18.039 --> 00:34:20.000 a you know that wasn't like oh boy i want to 00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:23.099 do that it was like it's being a part of my role 00:34:23.099 --> 00:34:26.800 now yeah you know you just sometimes it's because 00:34:26.800 --> 00:34:30.320 it's it's harder to look outside yourself and 00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:32.949 evaluate yourself For sure. It's easy to be like, 00:34:33.030 --> 00:34:35.210 okay, Ben is really good at this. He should be 00:34:35.210 --> 00:34:38.309 doing that. Sure. Yeah. Ben's like, are you crazy? 00:34:38.409 --> 00:34:43.070 Like, you know, but you gotta be like, it's sort 00:34:43.070 --> 00:34:45.210 of like, you gotta like, uh, you know, encourage 00:34:45.210 --> 00:34:48.010 people and then they have to be like, I'll give 00:34:48.010 --> 00:34:50.489 it a shot. Yeah. Yeah. It could come back and 00:34:50.489 --> 00:34:52.429 be like, wow, that was horrible. Never again. 00:34:53.469 --> 00:34:55.050 Or it could be like, you know what? This was 00:34:55.050 --> 00:34:57.550 really good. I didn't realize I was really good 00:34:57.550 --> 00:35:00.110 at that. Yeah, for sure. For sure. Yeah. It's 00:35:00.110 --> 00:35:03.590 like this whole. invitational sort of culture, 00:35:03.710 --> 00:35:05.949 right? Where we say, okay, somebody needs to 00:35:05.949 --> 00:35:07.710 do this role. Oh, actually, I know somebody who 00:35:07.710 --> 00:35:10.349 might be really good at that. Even if they don't 00:35:10.349 --> 00:35:12.469 think they're good at it yet, right? Yeah. Absolutely. 00:35:12.590 --> 00:35:14.329 That's where I get to say, like, thank you, Sally 00:35:14.329 --> 00:35:16.070 and the team. I think Trinity does a really good 00:35:16.070 --> 00:35:19.190 job of getting people involved, especially, I 00:35:19.190 --> 00:35:20.710 think, back to some of the, I think it was a 00:35:20.710 --> 00:35:22.710 volunteer fair where we had a whole bunch of 00:35:22.710 --> 00:35:24.630 different stations say, hey, could you come here, 00:35:24.670 --> 00:35:26.429 check it out, see if this might be a good fit? 00:35:26.769 --> 00:35:29.170 I think those are ways we just engage the community, 00:35:29.349 --> 00:35:32.079 say, hey. Test it out. Try it out for a little 00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:34.079 bit. But it gives you those options where you 00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:36.400 can see all the places where you could volunteer. 00:35:36.460 --> 00:35:39.400 For sure. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. Well, thank you 00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:42.320 so much, guys. Yeah, I think this has been really 00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:45.539 helpful to unpack what spiritual gifts are, how 00:35:45.539 --> 00:35:48.059 it sort of works in the world. But then, yeah, 00:35:48.099 --> 00:35:51.260 also just really emphasizing this team value 00:35:51.260 --> 00:35:54.039 and team sort of culture, right? That every part 00:35:54.039 --> 00:35:56.599 of the body matters and that we all get to do 00:35:56.599 --> 00:35:59.019 that and be part of it. And thank you for tuning 00:35:59.019 --> 00:36:01.739 in to this week's episode of Trinity Talks. I 00:36:01.739 --> 00:36:04.760 hope that. Yeah, you are able to find your fit. 00:36:04.900 --> 00:36:07.219 You're able to find that place that brings you 00:36:07.219 --> 00:36:09.579 life where you can serve from the spirit of Christ 00:36:09.579 --> 00:36:12.460 in you to serve the body of Christ around you. 00:36:12.539 --> 00:36:14.000 And we will see you again next week.