WEBVTT 00:00:03.100 --> 00:00:05.580 Hello everyone and welcome to this week's episode 00:00:05.580 --> 00:00:09.279 of Trinity Talks. My name is Kyla and I am sitting 00:00:09.279 --> 00:00:12.740 down here with two gardeners who are part of 00:00:12.740 --> 00:00:15.160 our Trinity family and we're going to talk more 00:00:15.160 --> 00:00:18.300 about gardening, about growing some flowers. 00:00:18.420 --> 00:00:20.980 Myself, I grow some vegetables and yeah, just, 00:00:21.059 --> 00:00:24.260 you know, how all of these bits connect to our 00:00:24.260 --> 00:00:27.420 faith and of course to this growing season sermon 00:00:27.420 --> 00:00:30.480 series that we're doing here at Trinity. So thank 00:00:30.480 --> 00:00:34.149 you so much for joining me, folks. So maybe I'll 00:00:34.149 --> 00:00:36.490 just get you to start by doing some introductions. 00:00:36.530 --> 00:00:38.270 So you can just say your name and just tell us 00:00:38.270 --> 00:00:40.689 a little bit about your sort of history and experience 00:00:40.689 --> 00:00:43.770 with gardening or with farming. Maybe we'll start 00:00:43.770 --> 00:00:47.530 right here. OK, well, I'm a fairly basic gardener. 00:00:47.530 --> 00:00:49.649 I'm a hobby gardener, I guess you could say. 00:00:50.350 --> 00:00:53.270 My garden is fairly small. I live in Milton. 00:00:55.789 --> 00:00:58.829 So, you know, we try and create a garden that 00:00:58.829 --> 00:01:02.310 brings, like, peace and looks lovely. And a lot 00:01:02.310 --> 00:01:04.510 of our friends comment on, you know, how peaceful 00:01:04.510 --> 00:01:07.170 they feel in our garden, which is quite an achievement. 00:01:07.329 --> 00:01:09.909 Yeah. So that's basically at the level I operate 00:01:09.909 --> 00:01:13.269 at. And then, in addition, I am part of the crew 00:01:13.269 --> 00:01:15.989 that helps to maintain the cemetery. Okay. Yeah. 00:01:16.069 --> 00:01:19.040 So another sort of peaceful space. Yeah. Yeah. 00:01:19.099 --> 00:01:21.700 Okay. I think that's a really good theme to have 00:01:21.700 --> 00:01:24.640 going, you know, peaceful, calm, lovely little 00:01:24.640 --> 00:01:28.400 gardens. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, and my background 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:31.359 is I was born and raised on a farm. Okay. And 00:01:31.359 --> 00:01:34.980 a very old -fashioned farm, mixed farm, as we 00:01:34.980 --> 00:01:37.260 called them back then. Okay. And don't think 00:01:37.260 --> 00:01:39.840 many of them are in existence now. Okay. But 00:01:39.840 --> 00:01:41.719 mixed from the standpoint that we had all sorts 00:01:41.719 --> 00:01:44.140 of livestock, like cattle and pigs and sheep 00:01:44.140 --> 00:01:47.819 and, you know, chickens and ducks and geese and 00:01:47.819 --> 00:01:49.500 that type of thing. Yeah, a little bit of everything. 00:01:49.540 --> 00:01:54.219 Yes, indeed. And then grew the crops to feed 00:01:54.219 --> 00:01:57.079 them. Okay. And huge vegetable gardens. that 00:01:57.079 --> 00:01:59.640 would do us through the winter. Okay. That was 00:01:59.640 --> 00:02:02.299 just a given. Sure. Okay. And my grandpa was 00:02:02.299 --> 00:02:07.099 always very proud of his turnips. Okay. Were 00:02:07.099 --> 00:02:10.539 they particularly large or just delicious? In 00:02:10.539 --> 00:02:12.819 his mind, and I don't know how true it is, they 00:02:12.819 --> 00:02:17.000 were hard to grow and to grow good ones. So he 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:19.419 grew good turnips. Okay. Well, there you go. 00:02:19.699 --> 00:02:22.240 I've never tried to grow turnips, so I don't 00:02:22.240 --> 00:02:24.419 know how hard or easy they are, but I'll take 00:02:24.419 --> 00:02:27.379 his word for it. Yeah. Yeah. And so for myself, 00:02:27.659 --> 00:02:31.210 my dad had a... pretty large vegetable garden 00:02:31.210 --> 00:02:35.169 um growing up and then now i actually also live 00:02:35.169 --> 00:02:38.569 in milton um yeah and i'm part of a community 00:02:38.569 --> 00:02:41.689 garden there so i just have a small plot um but 00:02:41.689 --> 00:02:43.990 last year was able to grow some tomatoes and 00:02:43.990 --> 00:02:47.409 peppers and spinach mostly um and trying it again 00:02:47.409 --> 00:02:50.110 this year and we'll see how that goes okay so 00:02:50.110 --> 00:02:54.509 yeah cool so when you think about you know gardening 00:02:54.509 --> 00:02:57.270 and farming what sort of prompted you to want 00:02:57.270 --> 00:03:00.590 to do that, like to want to start your own garden? 00:03:00.650 --> 00:03:02.909 Or what sort of motivates you to keep doing that? 00:03:03.969 --> 00:03:08.449 Well, my parents. I used to live and was brought 00:03:08.449 --> 00:03:11.750 up in Guyana in South America. So my parents 00:03:11.750 --> 00:03:16.530 had a very large garden. And they planted, you 00:03:16.530 --> 00:03:19.270 know, they had big trees and they had ponds. 00:03:20.939 --> 00:03:24.159 lawns and all kinds of things. Fruit trees, we'd 00:03:24.159 --> 00:03:26.919 sit in the mango tree and pluck the ripe fruit 00:03:26.919 --> 00:03:29.060 and eat it there and then as kids, you know. 00:03:29.560 --> 00:03:32.280 And they had a lot of animals too. They had monkeys, 00:03:32.439 --> 00:03:38.699 dogs, chickens, rabbits. The dog's main aim was 00:03:38.699 --> 00:03:41.259 to try and get the monkey. Ah, okay. And the 00:03:41.259 --> 00:03:43.360 monkey's main aim was to... To avoid the dog. 00:03:43.379 --> 00:03:46.419 Avoid the dog. Okay. So he had a little chain 00:03:46.419 --> 00:03:48.860 that would go up and down to his house and see 00:03:48.860 --> 00:03:51.180 the dog coming and he'd be up there, you know. 00:03:51.240 --> 00:03:54.099 Yes. So that was my main aim, my main inspiration. 00:03:54.439 --> 00:03:57.080 And my three brothers also, they all love gardening 00:03:57.080 --> 00:03:59.819 and that's the same thing. Okay. Stems from my 00:03:59.819 --> 00:04:03.740 parents. Okay, yeah. I assume that that sort 00:04:03.740 --> 00:04:05.460 of experience is probably quite different than 00:04:05.460 --> 00:04:09.240 your experience now, like farming in South America 00:04:09.240 --> 00:04:14.300 versus in Milton. Yes. Yes. Quite different. 00:04:14.439 --> 00:04:16.920 OK. Yeah. Tropical fruits and so on. My parents 00:04:16.920 --> 00:04:19.639 did it mainly and I was just looking at them 00:04:19.639 --> 00:04:22.819 and they showed me a little bit about the kinds 00:04:22.819 --> 00:04:25.959 of things that they did. Sure. But then I went 00:04:25.959 --> 00:04:28.420 to live in England and a similar climate to here, 00:04:28.500 --> 00:04:30.990 I guess. Right. And started there on my own, 00:04:31.029 --> 00:04:33.790 you know, and got a house and continued over 00:04:33.790 --> 00:04:37.209 here. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Very cool. And what about 00:04:37.209 --> 00:04:39.449 you, Iris? Well, I think growing up on a farm, 00:04:39.529 --> 00:04:43.949 you just have a natural tendency to want things 00:04:43.949 --> 00:04:47.829 to grow. And I start always from the idea that 00:04:47.829 --> 00:04:50.149 plants want to grow. Sure. And I just have to 00:04:50.149 --> 00:04:52.649 help them along. Okay. And so I love my garden. 00:04:52.689 --> 00:04:56.329 It's a great hobby of mine. And so it's just, 00:04:56.430 --> 00:04:59.000 but it's... coming from a farm and just really 00:04:59.000 --> 00:05:02.839 appreciating nature and beauty and the growth. 00:05:03.360 --> 00:05:05.300 Sure. Yeah. Sure. So it's bringing a bit of the 00:05:05.300 --> 00:05:08.060 farm into the country, maybe. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. 00:05:08.160 --> 00:05:11.560 Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, I think for both of you, 00:05:11.639 --> 00:05:15.620 your growing up experience of gardening or farming 00:05:15.620 --> 00:05:18.120 is a little bit different than sort of what you're 00:05:18.120 --> 00:05:20.720 doing now on a different scale and a different 00:05:20.720 --> 00:05:23.939 location. But are there lessons or like things 00:05:23.939 --> 00:05:25.980 that you think you learned when you were a kid 00:05:25.980 --> 00:05:27.959 that sort of, you know, continue to be true, 00:05:28.019 --> 00:05:29.899 that continue to help you in what you're doing 00:05:29.899 --> 00:05:34.230 now? Lots of themes, I guess. Okay, sure. Things 00:05:34.230 --> 00:05:36.990 that I've learned from gardening. Excuse me. 00:05:37.009 --> 00:05:39.209 And one of them is, I'll continue this piece. 00:05:39.370 --> 00:05:43.629 Yeah. Motif, peace and joy. Yeah. I have a little 00:05:43.629 --> 00:05:47.170 quote here from a guy called William Alexander. 00:05:47.189 --> 00:05:50.449 He wrote a book called The $64 Tomato. Okay. 00:05:50.449 --> 00:05:54.230 Or Tomato. Yes. And he wrote, things that I remember, 00:05:54.509 --> 00:05:57.870 witnessing childbirth, finding myself standing 00:05:57.870 --> 00:06:00.990 absolutely alone before Da Vinci's Last Supper. 00:06:01.660 --> 00:06:05.199 and planting potatoes on a perfect spring morning. 00:06:05.620 --> 00:06:09.480 Okay. And so that brings to mind an old Chinese 00:06:09.480 --> 00:06:12.600 proverb that says, plant a garden, feed your 00:06:12.600 --> 00:06:16.279 soul. Kind of that kind of theme. And it's the 00:06:16.279 --> 00:06:19.060 kind of thing that I hope that I get from gardening, 00:06:19.120 --> 00:06:23.000 that kind of peace. Sure, sure. Yeah. I think 00:06:23.000 --> 00:06:25.819 there were a lot of... lifetime lessons that 00:06:25.819 --> 00:06:28.120 I learned by growing up on a farm. And one of 00:06:28.120 --> 00:06:30.819 them is resourcefulness. And because when you 00:06:30.819 --> 00:06:33.459 live on a farm, there's not a store right down 00:06:33.459 --> 00:06:38.120 the... So you learn to make do. And so that resourcefulness 00:06:38.120 --> 00:06:42.480 is very much a part of growing up on a farm and 00:06:42.480 --> 00:06:47.100 experiencing that. Also hard work and perseverance. 00:06:47.660 --> 00:06:51.379 And actually, growing up on a farm, you should 00:06:51.379 --> 00:06:54.019 learn patience. I'm still working on that. Sure. 00:06:54.279 --> 00:06:58.139 But it's, yeah, so it's just a marvelous way 00:06:58.139 --> 00:07:00.819 to, I've always been so happy that I grew up 00:07:00.819 --> 00:07:04.240 on a farm. And like you grow up, you move to 00:07:04.240 --> 00:07:07.459 the city, you learn about the city. Don't grow 00:07:07.459 --> 00:07:10.060 up on the farm. You never learn about that whole 00:07:10.060 --> 00:07:13.160 farming part of it. And I think people have a 00:07:13.160 --> 00:07:16.540 very romantic view of the farm. And I just have 00:07:16.540 --> 00:07:19.620 great appreciation for it in all its beauty and 00:07:19.620 --> 00:07:22.120 all its rawness. Sure. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:07:22.459 --> 00:07:24.480 It's, yeah, I think I like what you said there, 00:07:24.519 --> 00:07:25.899 you know, that people sometimes have a romantic 00:07:25.899 --> 00:07:28.000 view of farms. They're like this nice place to 00:07:28.000 --> 00:07:32.199 get away. And sure. They are. But when you live 00:07:32.199 --> 00:07:34.079 there, it's also a little more than that, right? 00:07:34.180 --> 00:07:35.920 It's all that hard work. Yeah, there's mucking 00:07:35.920 --> 00:07:39.620 out the stables. Right. And teaching you patience. 00:07:40.779 --> 00:07:43.759 Well, but I've got to go back for that. More 00:07:43.759 --> 00:07:47.079 time. More time. Right, yes. I think it takes 00:07:47.079 --> 00:07:48.959 us a lifetime to learn the patience that we need 00:07:48.959 --> 00:07:51.600 for our lifetime, something like that. Like a 00:07:51.600 --> 00:07:53.339 lot of people, if something goes wrong with a 00:07:53.339 --> 00:07:55.620 plant, they'll want to throw it out and buy a 00:07:55.620 --> 00:07:59.879 new one. Sure. Like winter before last, one of 00:07:59.879 --> 00:08:03.920 our emerald cedars splits over the winter with 00:08:03.920 --> 00:08:06.420 the weight of the snow. Two main branches split. 00:08:06.800 --> 00:08:10.399 So do I cut this down or do I try and... heal 00:08:10.399 --> 00:08:14.120 it. Looked up research on the internet and bought 00:08:14.120 --> 00:08:16.519 some tape or got some tape on Amazon that, you 00:08:16.519 --> 00:08:21.519 know, got the branches together and sort of tied 00:08:21.519 --> 00:08:24.120 it round and then put cord round the outside 00:08:24.120 --> 00:08:27.339 so the branches came together. And now it's one 00:08:27.339 --> 00:08:29.560 of the healthiest of the cedars we've got. It's 00:08:29.560 --> 00:08:32.659 survived and thrived. You have to have a little 00:08:32.659 --> 00:08:35.159 bit of patience to wait for a year or two to 00:08:35.159 --> 00:08:38.039 see the fruits of that as opposed to chopping 00:08:38.039 --> 00:08:40.259 it down and putting a new one. Right. Yeah, yeah, 00:08:40.279 --> 00:08:43.259 yeah. Yeah, yeah. And it's all of that effort 00:08:43.259 --> 00:08:46.919 into the, like, long -term investment of things, 00:08:47.059 --> 00:08:49.820 right? Like the point you say, you know, if a 00:08:49.820 --> 00:08:51.700 plant is unhealthy, well, I don't know how to 00:08:51.700 --> 00:08:53.200 fix it. We'll just throw it out and get a new 00:08:53.200 --> 00:08:55.299 one, right? Yeah. But, like, no, there's something 00:08:55.299 --> 00:08:59.149 about nurturing. a plant that, yeah, or, or anything, 00:08:59.269 --> 00:09:02.230 a child, a pet, whatever it is like that, pouring 00:09:02.230 --> 00:09:05.360 that care into, into that thing that. Build, 00:09:05.399 --> 00:09:08.059 feed your soul. I also think that's part of the 00:09:08.059 --> 00:09:10.799 resourcefulness. Like on a farm, if you gave 00:09:10.799 --> 00:09:14.019 up every time something happens, like you wouldn't 00:09:14.019 --> 00:09:15.539 even get the, like, cause there's usually too 00:09:15.539 --> 00:09:17.500 much rain in the spring. So you can't get on 00:09:17.500 --> 00:09:19.779 the land. And then when you do get on the land, 00:09:19.799 --> 00:09:22.200 it turns into a drought. And there's all these 00:09:22.200 --> 00:09:25.000 things that can happen, but you have to persevere. 00:09:25.000 --> 00:09:27.120 And sometimes it wipes it out, but very rarely 00:09:27.120 --> 00:09:30.860 if you just keep going, keeping at it. Yeah. 00:09:30.980 --> 00:09:34.039 Yeah. And that caring theme, of course, is something 00:09:34.039 --> 00:09:37.419 I was going to also mention. Yeah. And you're 00:09:37.419 --> 00:09:42.980 giving me cues here. Glad to help. I found that 00:09:42.980 --> 00:09:45.500 with plants that need the most care and attention, 00:09:45.720 --> 00:09:47.840 the ones that have been most challenging are 00:09:47.840 --> 00:09:50.889 the ones that I tend to form a bond with. If 00:09:50.889 --> 00:09:53.490 that doesn't sound a little too weird. Sure. 00:09:53.870 --> 00:09:56.350 And so to the extent that I give them names. 00:09:56.590 --> 00:10:01.029 Okay, this is good. One example is we had a magnolia 00:10:01.029 --> 00:10:04.049 in a previous house that was plagued by scale 00:10:04.049 --> 00:10:07.549 insects, magnolia scale insects. And I never 00:10:07.549 --> 00:10:09.470 knew what they were. I stood under it one day 00:10:09.470 --> 00:10:12.690 and I could feel this slight shower. And I thought, 00:10:12.730 --> 00:10:15.029 what is this? And I looked up and there was only 00:10:15.029 --> 00:10:18.240 a little. bumps and things on the branches and 00:10:18.240 --> 00:10:20.759 twigs. And I looked it up and apparently it's 00:10:20.759 --> 00:10:23.200 a scale insect sucking the sap out of the tree. 00:10:23.379 --> 00:10:26.419 Okay. And ejecting it. And if you just leave 00:10:26.419 --> 00:10:29.039 them, the tree will die. Sure. So it took me 00:10:29.039 --> 00:10:33.980 like three years of treatments, spring and... 00:10:34.240 --> 00:10:38.779 during the summer and in the fall with things 00:10:38.779 --> 00:10:42.360 like sulfur and horticultural oil and spraying 00:10:42.360 --> 00:10:45.440 the little pests off with the hose and that kind 00:10:45.440 --> 00:10:50.059 of thing. And Maggie, is the name I gave the 00:10:50.059 --> 00:10:54.419 magnolia tree, rewarded us with blossoms. You 00:10:54.419 --> 00:10:57.139 wouldn't believe, these reached up to the bedrooms 00:10:57.139 --> 00:10:59.519 on the second floor. You could look out of the 00:10:59.519 --> 00:11:02.720 bedroom and see this sea of pink. in the spring. 00:11:03.019 --> 00:11:06.519 And it was just amazing. So we had quite a bond, 00:11:06.679 --> 00:11:09.840 Maggie and me. I hope my wife wasn't too jealous. 00:11:10.639 --> 00:11:14.840 And now you've cued me into a little story. This 00:11:14.840 --> 00:11:19.080 is working. When our nieces and nephews were 00:11:19.080 --> 00:11:21.539 very young, I used to always say that I talked 00:11:21.539 --> 00:11:23.620 to my plants, and that's why they did so well. 00:11:23.919 --> 00:11:28.759 So my niece... was married, this is over 20 years 00:11:28.759 --> 00:11:31.120 ago now, and she gave everybody at the wedding 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:34.440 a little coffee cup with one little sprig in 00:11:34.440 --> 00:11:38.519 it that was a spruce tree, literally the size 00:11:38.519 --> 00:11:41.940 of your finger. And so I came home and I planted 00:11:41.940 --> 00:11:44.879 it, and I moved it several times, but now this 00:11:44.879 --> 00:11:47.440 is a big bush. And because we live on a small 00:11:47.440 --> 00:11:49.600 lot, of course, I've kept a cup down or it'd 00:11:49.600 --> 00:11:52.139 be covering the lot. And so I took a picture 00:11:52.139 --> 00:11:55.169 of it, just this. recently and sent it to her 00:11:55.169 --> 00:11:58.779 and it's this lovely bush. And she said, I bet 00:11:58.779 --> 00:12:02.940 you talk to that plant a lot. I thought it was 00:12:02.940 --> 00:12:04.879 so cute because she remembered me saying that. 00:12:05.340 --> 00:12:09.539 Yeah, I think that the bit that you were saying, 00:12:09.620 --> 00:12:12.220 you know, the book that's $64 tomato or something 00:12:12.220 --> 00:12:14.159 like that, this made me think about, you know, 00:12:14.159 --> 00:12:16.019 conversations that I'll sometimes have with other 00:12:16.019 --> 00:12:18.419 gardeners in the community garden talking about, 00:12:18.460 --> 00:12:21.080 you know, the cost of buying all of the vegetable 00:12:21.080 --> 00:12:23.799 plants and seeds and things like that. And you 00:12:23.799 --> 00:12:26.580 can always do this, you know, cost analysis of 00:12:26.580 --> 00:12:31.149 like, did i get my my money's worth in vegetables 00:12:31.149 --> 00:12:33.350 out of these plants and sometimes you do and 00:12:33.350 --> 00:12:37.309 sometimes you don't but i think for me it's that 00:12:37.309 --> 00:12:39.190 that's one sort of analysis but that's actually 00:12:39.190 --> 00:12:41.610 not really what i'm doing it for it's nice if 00:12:41.610 --> 00:12:44.590 i can get you know a pot of soup tomato soup 00:12:44.590 --> 00:12:47.230 out of my vegetables or that sort of thing but 00:12:47.230 --> 00:12:50.529 but it's really more about an excuse to get outdoors 00:12:50.529 --> 00:12:55.110 and and a place where yeah i can be like tending 00:12:55.110 --> 00:12:57.470 something and it's exciting like i i went back 00:12:57.470 --> 00:13:00.009 to my garden yesterday to plant a couple of tomato 00:13:00.009 --> 00:13:02.289 plants and i was like oh look all of my spinach 00:13:02.289 --> 00:13:05.029 is like up and like there's like visible leaves 00:13:05.029 --> 00:13:07.549 there that i could eat right like that's that's 00:13:07.549 --> 00:13:10.090 exciting yeah even just putting seeds in the 00:13:10.090 --> 00:13:13.129 lawn as simple as that you see these little baby 00:13:13.129 --> 00:13:15.789 seedlings coming up you know yeah it's rewarding 00:13:15.789 --> 00:13:18.059 you know and that That's the caring, I guess, 00:13:18.059 --> 00:13:21.059 measuring clock, right? Yeah, yeah. Are there 00:13:21.059 --> 00:13:23.559 any other ways that you would say your experience 00:13:23.559 --> 00:13:26.259 in gardening has sort of helped to shape your 00:13:26.259 --> 00:13:32.659 life or your values or that sort of thing? I 00:13:32.659 --> 00:13:35.000 think I think more of, like, when I think of 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:38.580 my gardening now, it's pure joy. Yeah. But I 00:13:38.580 --> 00:13:41.419 think it really did shape my life growing up 00:13:41.419 --> 00:13:44.299 on a farm. Sure. And one of the things I'd say 00:13:44.299 --> 00:13:47.960 about that is that Like when you're on a farm 00:13:47.960 --> 00:13:50.620 of that nature, the type of farm, as I say, they're 00:13:50.620 --> 00:13:53.440 all big now, much, much larger. But at that time, 00:13:53.480 --> 00:13:55.799 it didn't matter how young you were, there was 00:13:55.799 --> 00:13:58.659 always a job that somebody could do. And like 00:13:58.659 --> 00:14:00.980 I can remember, like at five years of age, you're 00:14:00.980 --> 00:14:04.779 old enough to carry the water to your dad or 00:14:04.779 --> 00:14:07.679 whoever who was doing the haying. And so there's 00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:11.009 always a job. And you felt a part of it. And 00:14:11.009 --> 00:14:13.769 sometimes it might have been nicer not to feel 00:14:13.769 --> 00:14:16.649 like such a part of it. But basically, there 00:14:16.649 --> 00:14:19.230 was always something. And you were expected to 00:14:19.230 --> 00:14:24.429 do it, but there was a reward in that. And I 00:14:24.429 --> 00:14:28.730 think that's a lifelong business of strong, strong 00:14:28.730 --> 00:14:32.629 work ethic. probably can be almost too strong 00:14:32.629 --> 00:14:35.009 at times. Sure. Yeah. Sure. It's a very strong 00:14:35.009 --> 00:14:37.490 work ethic that comes from that. Yeah. And also, 00:14:37.649 --> 00:14:39.570 I think that sense of community and like doing 00:14:39.570 --> 00:14:41.629 a thing together. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. When 00:14:41.629 --> 00:14:45.620 I was growing up, like we had at that time. Like 00:14:45.620 --> 00:14:48.879 this is way back, okay. But you had a thrashing 00:14:48.879 --> 00:14:51.659 machine, and our family had a thrashing machine, 00:14:51.820 --> 00:14:53.840 and then there were two other families that didn't 00:14:53.840 --> 00:14:55.919 have, so we would all get together to do the 00:14:55.919 --> 00:14:59.019 harvest. Okay. So there was always that joining 00:14:59.019 --> 00:15:01.539 together of doing things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It 00:15:01.539 --> 00:15:04.179 was very community. For sure, for sure, yeah. 00:15:04.740 --> 00:15:06.940 And I guess simply getting close to nature. I 00:15:06.940 --> 00:15:09.179 mean, it's a fairly obvious one. You know, gardening 00:15:09.179 --> 00:15:12.019 is part of nature, right? Mm -hmm. And so... 00:15:12.909 --> 00:15:17.070 You know, just being out in it, it lifts the 00:15:17.070 --> 00:15:21.450 spirits. And, you know, things like we see wasps 00:15:21.450 --> 00:15:26.669 as things to be avoided. Sure. We almost despise. 00:15:26.710 --> 00:15:29.929 But then, like, occasionally we have a little 00:15:29.929 --> 00:15:33.409 fountain in our backyard. And occasionally you 00:15:33.409 --> 00:15:36.730 see a wasp settling down on the edge of the fountain 00:15:36.730 --> 00:15:39.950 drinking. Yeah. And you think, wow, this is magical, 00:15:40.070 --> 00:15:44.009 you know. And the word magic. You think it's 00:15:44.009 --> 00:15:47.350 all nature, it's all part of nature. I always 00:15:47.350 --> 00:15:51.889 think that you look at stuff like this, and God 00:15:51.889 --> 00:15:55.230 is our creator. I just can't imagine people looking 00:15:55.230 --> 00:15:57.929 at this stuff and not believing in God. Oh, absolutely. 00:15:58.250 --> 00:16:01.389 As you say, watching those little bees drink 00:16:01.389 --> 00:16:04.409 the water, or something as simple as that. The 00:16:04.409 --> 00:16:06.690 other day I was looking out my window, and a 00:16:06.690 --> 00:16:09.750 cardinal... was feeding, it was a male cardinal, 00:16:09.809 --> 00:16:13.230 and it was feeding its young on the branch. And 00:16:13.230 --> 00:16:16.570 I'd never seen that before, a cardinal, and it 00:16:16.570 --> 00:16:17.990 was just wonderful. And I thought, oh, isn't 00:16:17.990 --> 00:16:20.070 that just the most beautiful thing? Sure. And 00:16:20.070 --> 00:16:23.149 so I think being close to nature like that, you 00:16:23.149 --> 00:16:26.190 stop and you look at that type of stuff and realize 00:16:26.190 --> 00:16:29.289 what a miracle all of that stuff is. Yeah. Yeah. 00:16:30.649 --> 00:16:33.669 So I think that connects really nicely. Like 00:16:33.669 --> 00:16:36.360 when you think about... gardening and and your 00:16:36.360 --> 00:16:38.879 faith like are there ways that that you've seen 00:16:38.879 --> 00:16:41.200 some like connections there ways that you know 00:16:41.200 --> 00:16:43.240 your faith has informed your approach to gardening 00:16:43.240 --> 00:16:45.460 or gardening has sort of enriched your faith 00:16:45.460 --> 00:16:49.379 in some way um yeah do you want to start us off 00:16:49.379 --> 00:16:56.220 anthony um yes uh i see gardening as kind of 00:16:56.220 --> 00:16:59.039 a manifestation of god's work in our world okay 00:16:59.039 --> 00:17:03.340 yeah and uh Again, I'm going to quote somebody 00:17:03.340 --> 00:17:05.960 else. Sure. I have to read. Frank Lloyd Wright, 00:17:06.160 --> 00:17:09.619 you know, famous architect, right? He wrote, 00:17:09.759 --> 00:17:13.519 study nature, love nature, stay close to nature. 00:17:13.619 --> 00:17:17.660 It will never fail you. And if you substitute 00:17:17.660 --> 00:17:22.980 God for nature, study God, love God, stay close 00:17:22.980 --> 00:17:25.160 to God. He will never fail you. He will never 00:17:25.160 --> 00:17:30.240 fail you. Right. And, you know, to me, I see 00:17:30.240 --> 00:17:34.960 it's just. A lot of people say they use the phrase, 00:17:35.059 --> 00:17:38.960 you know, nature is my church. It's a well -used 00:17:38.960 --> 00:17:42.220 phrase, and I really feel that, actually. Going 00:17:42.220 --> 00:17:45.579 out in nature, you get that sense that you're 00:17:45.579 --> 00:17:51.640 among God's work. Sure, yeah. I think also, like, 00:17:51.740 --> 00:17:54.539 one of the fruits we always want is peace and 00:17:54.539 --> 00:17:57.460 joy. And I'm not sure there's any place that 00:17:57.460 --> 00:18:00.400 I feel more peace and joy than just that oneness. 00:18:00.880 --> 00:18:03.640 than when I'm working, digging in the soil. And 00:18:03.640 --> 00:18:06.500 like I'm one that loves to just get right in 00:18:06.500 --> 00:18:08.900 there and it gets harder and harder to get down 00:18:08.900 --> 00:18:13.000 at it, but still. Sure. And so I think that that's 00:18:13.000 --> 00:18:17.119 part of it. And like there's just miracles around 00:18:17.119 --> 00:18:21.180 you all the time. And I would see that as like 00:18:21.180 --> 00:18:24.200 God's miracle. Sure. Yeah. So I think that that 00:18:24.200 --> 00:18:28.180 definitely brings you close. And, you know, I 00:18:28.180 --> 00:18:30.890 was taken with Rob saying about, you can hardly 00:18:30.890 --> 00:18:34.410 open a place in the Bible where there isn't something 00:18:34.410 --> 00:18:39.410 about. And so I was reading this morning in Old 00:18:39.410 --> 00:18:45.089 Testament, Minor Prophet Haggai. Haggai? Thank 00:18:45.089 --> 00:18:50.089 you. And even there, it was saying about seeds. 00:18:50.190 --> 00:18:54.430 And so it is all through it. And so that's very 00:18:54.430 --> 00:18:57.630 much a part of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. 00:18:57.809 --> 00:19:01.619 Yeah. And one of the things that I find is that 00:19:01.619 --> 00:19:04.740 nature teaches you so much in the way of faith. 00:19:05.299 --> 00:19:09.380 And one example I'll give is to do with discrimination 00:19:09.380 --> 00:19:14.579 and race. Okay. And so it's an old story. You 00:19:14.579 --> 00:19:19.940 may have heard of it. If a child asks you, why 00:19:19.940 --> 00:19:22.359 is it that there's so many people who look so 00:19:22.359 --> 00:19:26.019 differently in this world? Sure. Or why is it 00:19:26.019 --> 00:19:30.940 that... Why can't everybody look like me? What 00:19:30.940 --> 00:19:34.980 you can say to them is that, well, if you had 00:19:34.980 --> 00:19:37.920 a garden, would you prefer to have a garden with 00:19:37.920 --> 00:19:41.900 flowers of just one color? Everywhere you looked, 00:19:41.900 --> 00:19:44.799 there was this one color in your garden. Or would 00:19:44.799 --> 00:19:47.759 you prefer to have a garden where you had lots 00:19:47.759 --> 00:19:52.740 of colors, red, yellow, purple, orange, white, 00:19:52.839 --> 00:19:56.529 all kinds of colors? And usually they'll say, 00:19:56.569 --> 00:20:01.109 I prefer the colorful garden. And you say, that's 00:20:01.109 --> 00:20:04.329 just what God has done with the world. Yeah. 00:20:05.069 --> 00:20:08.670 Yeah. For sure. Yeah. I often just think it's 00:20:08.670 --> 00:20:10.630 such a blessing. I mean, God could have made 00:20:10.630 --> 00:20:13.390 this world black and white. Sure. You know, but 00:20:13.390 --> 00:20:16.369 look at all the color. And the other thing that 00:20:16.369 --> 00:20:19.329 I guess comes from a farm, too, is I have such 00:20:19.329 --> 00:20:21.809 appreciation of the changing of the seasons. 00:20:22.710 --> 00:20:24.930 Like, I feel sorry for people that don't live. 00:20:25.869 --> 00:20:27.529 They don't get all four seasons? They don't get 00:20:27.529 --> 00:20:31.250 all four seasons. Yes. Somebody from Barbados 00:20:31.250 --> 00:20:34.009 was disagreeing with me that the other day. But 00:20:34.009 --> 00:20:37.890 anyway, yeah. But yeah, so it's like every spring, 00:20:38.069 --> 00:20:40.440 like, isn't that a miracle? Like you look out 00:20:40.440 --> 00:20:43.420 at the world right now around us, like you just 00:20:43.420 --> 00:20:45.079 have to go back a couple months and that was 00:20:45.079 --> 00:20:48.400 nothing there. It was gray and covered with snow 00:20:48.400 --> 00:20:51.259 or whatever. Yeah. So like it's a miracle every 00:20:51.259 --> 00:20:53.799 year. And I've lived through a few seasons and 00:20:53.799 --> 00:20:56.240 it still seems like a miracle to me. Sure. Yeah. 00:20:56.299 --> 00:21:00.440 And yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think the other bit that 00:21:00.440 --> 00:21:02.920 comes to mind for me is just like in the practicalities 00:21:02.920 --> 00:21:05.059 of like caring for plants and like getting to 00:21:05.059 --> 00:21:07.180 know different things. Like I remember last year 00:21:07.180 --> 00:21:10.329 was sort of my first. independent foray into 00:21:10.329 --> 00:21:13.230 vegetable gardening. And I planted some peas 00:21:13.230 --> 00:21:16.369 and I planted them all. And then as they started 00:21:16.369 --> 00:21:18.150 coming up, the instructions are, of course, to 00:21:18.150 --> 00:21:20.210 sort of, you know, thin them out so that they 00:21:20.210 --> 00:21:22.430 all get enough space. And I was like, that's 00:21:22.430 --> 00:21:28.160 hard to do. pea looks so healthy. I can just 00:21:28.160 --> 00:21:31.380 leave it right in. How can I kill this pea? Exactly. 00:21:31.440 --> 00:21:34.640 Yes. But by the end of July, my peas had taken 00:21:34.640 --> 00:21:37.079 over and were falling over on top of my onions. 00:21:37.119 --> 00:21:39.359 And then my onions didn't grow because they were 00:21:39.359 --> 00:21:42.380 covered by my pea plants. And I was like, oh, 00:21:42.420 --> 00:21:44.819 well, maybe, maybe I should slow down. Maybe 00:21:44.819 --> 00:21:47.599 I should follow the instructions, you know? And 00:21:47.599 --> 00:21:51.380 yeah, just that sense of like, yeah, being attentive 00:21:51.380 --> 00:21:55.460 to what each plant needs and the pruning out 00:21:55.460 --> 00:21:58.259 process. Right. And sometimes we think about 00:21:58.259 --> 00:22:00.140 that, like in our spiritual lives too, where 00:22:00.140 --> 00:22:02.720 we're like, ah, God is, God is pruning us. This 00:22:02.720 --> 00:22:05.019 is a metaphor that people use sometimes when 00:22:05.019 --> 00:22:06.799 you're going through a hard time and it's like, 00:22:06.859 --> 00:22:10.670 oh yeah, this is actually. beneficial this is 00:22:10.670 --> 00:22:12.930 this is important even though it's hard right 00:22:12.930 --> 00:22:16.289 i could even take that uh kyla to thinking in 00:22:16.289 --> 00:22:18.809 terms of service like if you just keep adding 00:22:18.809 --> 00:22:21.970 on yep and and not sort of pruning out what you're 00:22:21.970 --> 00:22:25.779 doing in service sure that can affect everything 00:22:25.779 --> 00:22:28.640 around you too. Yeah. Yeah. In a negative way. 00:22:28.680 --> 00:22:31.380 For sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So yes, I pruned 00:22:31.380 --> 00:22:35.960 out some of my peas this year. Well done. Hopefully 00:22:35.960 --> 00:22:40.339 I get a better, a better harvest. Yeah. So we've 00:22:40.339 --> 00:22:42.140 sort of said there are lots of different stories, 00:22:42.220 --> 00:22:45.519 lots of places in scripture where farming or 00:22:45.519 --> 00:22:48.059 seeds or gardening sort of metaphors come up. 00:22:48.119 --> 00:22:50.920 Are there any particular passages or stories 00:22:50.920 --> 00:22:55.079 that sort of stand out to you folks? Well, the 00:22:55.079 --> 00:22:58.039 obvious one is the Garden of Eden. Yeah. Right? 00:22:58.119 --> 00:23:02.180 So, and again, I have to quote because I'm not 00:23:02.180 --> 00:23:04.480 too good at quotes. That's all right. Remembering 00:23:04.480 --> 00:23:09.319 quotes. Genesis 2, 15, the Lord took the man 00:23:09.319 --> 00:23:12.240 and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it 00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:17.740 and take care of it. So that's a very important 00:23:17.740 --> 00:23:22.500 to me lesson for us all that we are here to take 00:23:22.500 --> 00:23:26.319 care. of the earth we're custodians of nature 00:23:26.319 --> 00:23:30.740 and our gardens are like many pieces of paradise 00:23:30.740 --> 00:23:34.099 gardens of eden and we can take care of our own 00:23:34.099 --> 00:23:37.660 little bit and that's a start but the whole world 00:23:37.660 --> 00:23:41.640 is going through crises of you know the climate 00:23:41.640 --> 00:23:44.480 change and that kind of thing and we really have 00:23:44.480 --> 00:23:48.359 to do better sure yeah Yeah. Yeah. I think it's 00:23:48.359 --> 00:23:50.319 really important. You know, we go back to the 00:23:50.319 --> 00:23:53.000 very beginning and God, what is God's job for 00:23:53.000 --> 00:23:55.339 humanity? It's to be gardeners, right? It's to 00:23:55.339 --> 00:23:58.440 be stewards of the earth. And so I wonder sometimes 00:23:58.440 --> 00:24:01.680 if that's like part of like what makes us human 00:24:01.680 --> 00:24:04.500 is that, that maybe not necessarily the tendency 00:24:04.500 --> 00:24:07.000 towards gardening specifically, but to like nurture 00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:09.519 and to care and all those sorts of things, whether 00:24:09.519 --> 00:24:12.460 that's plants or animals or people. Yeah. Yeah. 00:24:12.890 --> 00:24:14.769 I think just to follow up on that a little bit. 00:24:14.950 --> 00:24:17.789 So there's the Garden of Eden where we're told 00:24:17.789 --> 00:24:22.910 to take care of. Then the curse comes. Yes. Where 00:24:22.910 --> 00:24:26.029 we're going to work it by the sweat of our brow. 00:24:26.289 --> 00:24:28.869 And that's all part of the fallen world and what 00:24:28.869 --> 00:24:32.289 we see. But that's the, like gardening isn't 00:24:32.289 --> 00:24:35.329 always just flowers and so on. It's like the 00:24:35.329 --> 00:24:38.430 sweat of the brow. But that's a metaphor in life, 00:24:38.609 --> 00:24:42.269 that the joy and the peace, but also the eating 00:24:42.269 --> 00:24:46.789 the hard work. And like nature, generally, it's 00:24:46.789 --> 00:24:50.769 not all, as you say, sweetness and light. Because, 00:24:50.910 --> 00:24:54.009 you know, disasters that strike us, some of it 00:24:54.009 --> 00:24:58.150 made by humans, you know, volcanoes, storms. 00:24:59.829 --> 00:25:03.950 that can affect so many people, rip them out 00:25:03.950 --> 00:25:06.730 of their homes and so on, the tragedies. We have 00:25:06.730 --> 00:25:12.369 to respect nature and its power. To go back to 00:25:12.369 --> 00:25:14.589 what I said at the beginning, I think that growing 00:25:14.589 --> 00:25:17.049 up on a farm, I think that's what it taught me, 00:25:17.130 --> 00:25:21.130 was the beauty of nature, but also the rawness, 00:25:21.130 --> 00:25:24.700 and it needs to be appreciated. And respected. 00:25:25.000 --> 00:25:28.799 And I think that, yeah. If I may, one of the 00:25:28.799 --> 00:25:31.779 Bible verses that, because this caused me to 00:25:31.779 --> 00:25:33.519 think about the Bible verse, and of course there's 00:25:33.519 --> 00:25:36.960 so many, the sowing and so on. But one that came 00:25:36.960 --> 00:25:38.900 to me that I thought was really good, it comes 00:25:38.900 --> 00:25:42.099 from Paul when he's in the first Corinthians 00:25:42.099 --> 00:25:45.279 chapter three, where he's talking about, he's 00:25:45.279 --> 00:25:48.619 like reprimanding the Corinthians and calling 00:25:48.619 --> 00:25:50.940 them immature and so on and so forth. And then 00:25:50.940 --> 00:25:55.049 there's this verse six where he says, I planted 00:25:55.049 --> 00:25:58.349 the seed, Apollos watered it, but God has been 00:25:58.349 --> 00:26:01.309 making it grow. And I was thinking about that. 00:26:01.450 --> 00:26:04.190 And no matter how good of a gardener you are 00:26:04.190 --> 00:26:07.269 or farmer, you can do all the things to help 00:26:07.269 --> 00:26:11.289 that seed grow. But the magic and miracle of 00:26:11.289 --> 00:26:15.589 the seed actually growing, that's God. And the 00:26:15.589 --> 00:26:18.509 same when we're evangelizing or trying to bring 00:26:18.509 --> 00:26:23.289 people to Christ, we can plant the seed. We can 00:26:23.289 --> 00:26:26.210 even irrigate it and water it. But nothing's 00:26:26.210 --> 00:26:28.769 going to happen without the miracle of God. Right. 00:26:28.809 --> 00:26:31.230 And so to me, that was just such a wonderful 00:26:31.230 --> 00:26:38.029 reminder of, yes, the agricultural part of that, 00:26:38.150 --> 00:26:41.289 but also the depth of the spiritual part of that. 00:26:41.410 --> 00:26:44.269 Sure. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's interesting to 00:26:44.269 --> 00:26:46.450 hear these different reflections, because I think 00:26:46.450 --> 00:26:48.309 one of the things that's standing out to me is 00:26:48.309 --> 00:26:51.769 just like, how... this like experience with getting 00:26:51.769 --> 00:26:54.490 your hands in the dirt with watching plants grow, 00:26:54.529 --> 00:26:59.049 which is like, is a lesson in how God works. 00:26:59.190 --> 00:27:02.309 Right. And is a lesson in mystery and miracle 00:27:02.309 --> 00:27:05.730 and like these things that are really hard sometimes 00:27:05.730 --> 00:27:08.849 to grasp or like hard to put words to, but we 00:27:08.849 --> 00:27:12.539 can see it unfolding. Right. When you put. A 00:27:12.539 --> 00:27:14.799 little seed in the dirt and then all of a sudden 00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:16.920 you have a plant and then all of a sudden later 00:27:16.920 --> 00:27:19.359 you have a flower or a fruit from it, right? 00:27:20.410 --> 00:27:23.910 It's amazing. But isn't that what you said there, 00:27:23.990 --> 00:27:27.470 Kyla, is right in that we can see logically what 00:27:27.470 --> 00:27:29.750 part of it is there, but there's the mystery 00:27:29.750 --> 00:27:32.230 of it. And that's the mystery of our faith as 00:27:32.230 --> 00:27:34.569 well. We can see part of it makes sense. It's 00:27:34.569 --> 00:27:36.450 logical and so on. But there's such a mystery 00:27:36.450 --> 00:27:41.109 to it. Yeah, for sure. I think the other sort 00:27:41.109 --> 00:27:43.549 of little story or sort of passage in scripture 00:27:43.549 --> 00:27:46.430 that keeps coming back to me at times is Jesus 00:27:46.430 --> 00:27:49.390 is sort of teaching about, you know, he says, 00:27:49.740 --> 00:27:51.240 there'll be all kinds of false teachers that 00:27:51.240 --> 00:27:52.960 show up at different points. And how do you know 00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:56.259 a false teacher from, from a true teacher, from 00:27:56.259 --> 00:27:58.019 someone who speaks the truth? And he says, you 00:27:58.019 --> 00:28:01.559 know, by their fruit. Yeah. Right. Which. is 00:28:01.559 --> 00:28:03.380 a really helpful metaphor for me because I'm 00:28:03.380 --> 00:28:06.339 really bad at identifying trees particularly, 00:28:06.519 --> 00:28:09.240 but like even, even other plants sometimes I'm 00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:11.500 like, I think this is that, but maybe not, but 00:28:11.500 --> 00:28:14.539 you know, an acorn, but I know an acorn when 00:28:14.539 --> 00:28:17.839 I see it or I know a mango or an apple or whatever 00:28:17.839 --> 00:28:21.039 it is. Right. And, and yeah, so you will know 00:28:21.039 --> 00:28:25.319 by its fruit. Right. And, and so, yeah, sometimes 00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:29.019 we have to sort of let things grow, let things 00:28:29.019 --> 00:28:31.730 be and see. what comes out of it, right? And 00:28:31.730 --> 00:28:34.799 then decide. Do we do we take that on? Do we 00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:38.099 cut that down? Do we? Yeah. What do we do? Very 00:28:38.099 --> 00:28:41.920 much brings in that parable or when Jesus cursed 00:28:41.920 --> 00:28:44.460 the fig tree. Right. Which is a very confusing 00:28:44.460 --> 00:28:47.279 one. It is. Yes. But part of that, it had no 00:28:47.279 --> 00:28:49.619 fruit. It just had leaves. It looked good, but 00:28:49.619 --> 00:28:51.640 there was no fruit on it. Right. Yeah. Yeah. 00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:55.660 Yeah. That's really interesting. Yeah. Are there 00:28:55.660 --> 00:28:58.460 any other sort of bits from scripture or sort 00:28:58.460 --> 00:29:01.299 of pieces of your faith that you think sort of 00:29:01.299 --> 00:29:04.559 have helped you? navigate this this gardening 00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:06.779 journey or that where they have sort of enriched 00:29:06.779 --> 00:29:10.519 one another well it's an ongoing process and 00:29:10.519 --> 00:29:14.299 sure i was heartened to hear you say about the 00:29:14.299 --> 00:29:16.400 you know by their fruit you shall know them this 00:29:16.400 --> 00:29:19.900 applies to nature and to people right and the 00:29:19.900 --> 00:29:23.140 people who influence us and you see in the world 00:29:23.140 --> 00:29:26.119 the leaders in the world yeah by their fruit 00:29:26.119 --> 00:29:28.000 you shall know them it's the same with nature 00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:31.140 as with people such wisdom in the bible yeah 00:29:31.690 --> 00:29:35.430 And you mentioned about the mystery. Without 00:29:35.430 --> 00:29:40.809 mystery, there would be no faith. And it's all, 00:29:41.049 --> 00:29:44.049 in a way, a mystery. We just don't know. We know 00:29:44.049 --> 00:29:48.970 so little. One of my family mottos is, nothing 00:29:48.970 --> 00:29:51.930 in life is certain, which can be taken in all 00:29:51.930 --> 00:29:54.690 kinds of ways, like half a dozen different interpretations. 00:29:54.730 --> 00:29:58.049 And one of them is, don't believe you know everything. 00:29:58.230 --> 00:30:02.019 Don't believe you know it all. There's a mystery 00:30:02.019 --> 00:30:06.440 to everything. And Albert Einstein said this, 00:30:06.519 --> 00:30:08.259 you know, the greatest thing in the world, he 00:30:08.259 --> 00:30:13.940 believes, is mystery. And it's there throughout 00:30:13.940 --> 00:30:18.339 our faith. Yeah. Yeah, and I just think that 00:30:18.339 --> 00:30:24.460 the more that we are in touch with creation at 00:30:24.460 --> 00:30:27.740 every level, Like right now, I don't know if 00:30:27.740 --> 00:30:30.559 you've been observing in the sky, but Venus and 00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:33.500 Jupiter are very close together. And they're 00:30:33.500 --> 00:30:35.339 actually supposed to come together tonight or 00:30:35.339 --> 00:30:37.279 tomorrow night. Last night they were still quite 00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:39.380 a distance. And the sky has been so beautiful. 00:30:39.440 --> 00:30:41.880 You could see it. And again, that's all part 00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:45.440 of God's creation and nature and the wonders 00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:49.140 of all this. And in our faith, there's just so 00:30:49.140 --> 00:30:54.529 many wonders. Yeah. I think it's, it's so cool 00:30:54.529 --> 00:30:56.769 to sort of go back and think God is such a God 00:30:56.769 --> 00:31:00.130 of mystery, such a God of wonder. And you know, 00:31:00.130 --> 00:31:01.930 this doesn't mean that we can't study and like 00:31:01.930 --> 00:31:03.470 figure things out, right? Like that's all part 00:31:03.470 --> 00:31:05.450 of faith too. But like at a certain point you 00:31:05.450 --> 00:31:08.450 come back to God is all about the mystery. God 00:31:08.450 --> 00:31:11.670 is too big for us to actually understand and 00:31:11.670 --> 00:31:14.950 put into a box and figure out. Right. And I think, 00:31:14.970 --> 00:31:17.829 yeah, creation reveals that to us and the things 00:31:17.829 --> 00:31:20.640 that surprise us and the things we. Can't understand. 00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:25.019 So it's doing what we can do. Yep. And this is 00:31:25.019 --> 00:31:27.279 going to be an admonishment for people who buy 00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:32.460 flowers and don't water them. Yes, yes. Because 00:31:32.460 --> 00:31:34.500 I also have, growing up on a farm, have this 00:31:34.500 --> 00:31:37.500 thing about waste. Sure, sure. So you're going 00:31:37.500 --> 00:31:40.839 to buy them, water them. Yes, that's good. So 00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:44.500 doing what we can, but then all the rest is in 00:31:44.500 --> 00:31:47.930 God's hands. Yeah, for sure, for sure. Yeah, 00:31:47.930 --> 00:31:50.990 well, thank you so much, folks. Yeah, and thank 00:31:50.990 --> 00:31:54.009 you for tuning in to this week's episode of Trinity 00:31:54.009 --> 00:31:56.869 Talks. Whether you are a gardener or not, whether 00:31:56.869 --> 00:31:59.690 you have experience on a farm or not, maybe you 00:31:59.690 --> 00:32:01.809 can try planting something. Maybe you can try 00:32:01.809 --> 00:32:06.170 finding some place to nurture growth. And may 00:32:06.170 --> 00:32:10.440 that be a space of joy. and peace, but also mystery 00:32:10.440 --> 00:32:13.880 and wonder for you that draws you deeper into 00:32:13.880 --> 00:32:16.599 connection with creation and of course with Christ. 00:32:16.759 --> 00:32:18.460 And we will see you again next week.