WEBVTT 00:00:03.149 --> 00:00:05.250 Hello, everyone, and welcome to this week's episode 00:00:05.250 --> 00:00:08.910 of Trinity Talks. My name is Kyla, and I am excited 00:00:08.910 --> 00:00:11.789 to be joined here by Jordana, who is a member 00:00:11.789 --> 00:00:14.529 of Trinity's board. And of course, Pastor Rob, 00:00:14.710 --> 00:00:17.289 who is the pastor, the rector here at Trinity 00:00:17.289 --> 00:00:20.870 Streetsville. And we're going to dive into Trinity's 00:00:20.870 --> 00:00:24.429 new strategic plan, this new vision, this new 00:00:24.429 --> 00:00:27.510 path that we have sort of set before us that 00:00:27.510 --> 00:00:30.910 we believe God is calling us to walk on. Yes. 00:00:31.149 --> 00:00:34.240 Yeah. So maybe. To just help us get started, 00:00:34.979 --> 00:00:37.299 Rob, can you describe a little bit, what was 00:00:37.299 --> 00:00:39.619 the process for sort of creating this strategic 00:00:39.619 --> 00:00:43.060 plan? Well, I think, like I was trying to say 00:00:43.060 --> 00:00:45.659 in there, I feel like after a few years of being 00:00:45.659 --> 00:00:48.280 here, I mean, there was so much to learn. There 00:00:48.280 --> 00:00:51.740 was so much kind of just rebuilding after the 00:00:51.740 --> 00:00:55.039 pandemic that in some ways, the trajectory of 00:00:55.039 --> 00:00:57.240 the church was kind of set for us just because 00:00:57.240 --> 00:01:01.219 of the newness of the world post -COVID -19. 00:01:01.929 --> 00:01:04.549 But now that's in the rearview mirror. And now 00:01:04.549 --> 00:01:07.430 we're kind of I just started to feel like, hmm, 00:01:07.609 --> 00:01:10.930 what what is the plan for this next season? And 00:01:10.930 --> 00:01:13.969 so and not even like what is what is Rob think 00:01:13.969 --> 00:01:16.670 the plan is for the next season? But but what 00:01:16.670 --> 00:01:19.349 what is God saying to us as a community about 00:01:19.349 --> 00:01:24.670 where he's leading us next? So we we embarked 00:01:24.670 --> 00:01:28.519 upon a big listening process. We spent a day 00:01:28.519 --> 00:01:31.040 listening to what the staff were thinking and 00:01:31.040 --> 00:01:34.340 feeling about the challenges and the strengths 00:01:34.340 --> 00:01:39.150 of Trinity. Then we engaged our vestry and asked 00:01:39.150 --> 00:01:41.390 them to share kind of when they've seen Trinity 00:01:41.390 --> 00:01:44.150 at its best. And what are some of the things 00:01:44.150 --> 00:01:45.650 that give them hope? What are some of the things 00:01:45.650 --> 00:01:47.489 that give them pause and concern? And what are 00:01:47.489 --> 00:01:50.230 they hearing in their own prayers about the future 00:01:50.230 --> 00:01:52.709 of Trinity? Then, of course, we went to our advisory 00:01:52.709 --> 00:01:55.909 board and they started to sift through all this 00:01:55.909 --> 00:01:59.170 data. And we had a wonderful coach. Mike Messenger 00:01:59.170 --> 00:02:02.109 was guiding us along the way. So we were well 00:02:02.109 --> 00:02:05.340 taken care of in this process. And then ultimately, 00:02:05.500 --> 00:02:09.340 it started to really become clear that there 00:02:09.340 --> 00:02:12.319 were these five key signposts that were emerging. 00:02:12.560 --> 00:02:16.180 Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So, Jordana, did you want to 00:02:16.180 --> 00:02:17.659 sort of add anything to that? Like, from your 00:02:17.659 --> 00:02:21.000 view, what was that process sort of like? Well, 00:02:21.039 --> 00:02:23.539 I was part of the vestry and then again the advisory 00:02:23.539 --> 00:02:26.219 board meetings. And what was really encouraging 00:02:26.219 --> 00:02:28.159 with the vestry was how much appreciation there 00:02:28.159 --> 00:02:30.620 was for what was already here. There was a really 00:02:30.620 --> 00:02:33.919 good appreciation of worship, of a lot of connections 00:02:33.919 --> 00:02:37.219 and ministry already there. And then slowly what 00:02:37.219 --> 00:02:41.020 there was also was a sense that people also felt 00:02:41.020 --> 00:02:43.319 a little disconnected. And as the church grew, 00:02:43.500 --> 00:02:45.419 that there's growth, there's new ministries, 00:02:45.419 --> 00:02:48.819 and then some felt they were... sort of required 00:02:48.819 --> 00:02:51.780 a little more maybe care or a little more there 00:02:51.780 --> 00:02:54.800 were just more needs also expressed sure and 00:02:54.800 --> 00:02:57.560 so out of that you get a sense of where people 00:02:57.560 --> 00:03:00.599 sat and different um you know with different 00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:04.199 needs with different um ideas for where the church 00:03:04.199 --> 00:03:07.819 could be and um that was brought into the advisory 00:03:07.819 --> 00:03:11.860 board um meeting um yeah and then we went from 00:03:11.860 --> 00:03:14.780 there okay yeah yeah cool so rob you mentioned 00:03:14.780 --> 00:03:16.460 these five things do you want to just name them 00:03:16.460 --> 00:03:20.620 for us quickly OK, so the five signs, the first 00:03:20.620 --> 00:03:23.080 one, we kind of just tried to boil them down 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:24.680 to very simple phrases. So we'll have to unpack 00:03:24.680 --> 00:03:28.900 them. But was about growing deep. There was one 00:03:28.900 --> 00:03:32.120 about strengthening care. There was another one 00:03:32.120 --> 00:03:36.280 about raising leaders. The fourth one was about 00:03:36.280 --> 00:03:41.169 engaging the next generation. And then the fifth 00:03:41.169 --> 00:03:46.270 one was all about extending our reach, expanding 00:03:46.270 --> 00:03:49.050 our reach as a church. Yeah. So those are the 00:03:49.050 --> 00:03:51.729 five signs. So the five signs we've put up around 00:03:51.729 --> 00:03:54.289 the building today. And we really want people 00:03:54.289 --> 00:03:57.389 to kind of lock onto those five very simple images 00:03:57.389 --> 00:04:01.759 and build from there. Okay, cool. So as you think 00:04:01.759 --> 00:04:04.120 about those five different pieces, are there 00:04:04.120 --> 00:04:07.500 any aspects of it that like really resonate with 00:04:07.500 --> 00:04:09.780 you or that, you know, resonate with things that 00:04:09.780 --> 00:04:11.599 you've been sort of seeing or hearing around 00:04:11.599 --> 00:04:14.789 Trinity recently? Want to start us off there, 00:04:14.830 --> 00:04:17.870 Jordana? Sure. I mean, I think out of those five 00:04:17.870 --> 00:04:20.949 signs, discipleship was just central to almost 00:04:20.949 --> 00:04:23.649 everybody's sense of what needed to be deepened. 00:04:23.649 --> 00:04:25.670 Sure. Yeah, so that's the growing deep thing. 00:04:25.670 --> 00:04:27.649 It is the growing deep thing. It's a sense of, 00:04:27.670 --> 00:04:30.709 you know, you can very quickly grow a church 00:04:30.709 --> 00:04:33.569 that's shallow with a lot of people in the pews 00:04:33.569 --> 00:04:38.629 and very little actual... I don't know, rootedness, 00:04:38.629 --> 00:04:42.050 you know, or connection or anything like that. 00:04:42.129 --> 00:04:44.509 And we've heard stories of churches like that. 00:04:45.170 --> 00:04:49.730 And so that idea that as we went forward, if 00:04:49.730 --> 00:04:52.410 there wasn't care for those who were growing, 00:04:52.750 --> 00:04:58.160 not just attending. It would just feel very superficial, 00:04:58.339 --> 00:05:02.319 very fast. And so that was really central, and 00:05:02.319 --> 00:05:05.540 then others came on. The sense that there's growing 00:05:05.540 --> 00:05:10.259 loneliness needs as people grow older, that care 00:05:10.259 --> 00:05:12.379 mattered, and there needed to be the capacity 00:05:12.379 --> 00:05:16.019 to actually do that. On one hand, a growing church 00:05:16.019 --> 00:05:18.980 can draw on resources to create it. On the other 00:05:18.980 --> 00:05:21.819 hand, it needs that administrative center to 00:05:21.819 --> 00:05:27.850 do that. the sense that youth mattered when it 00:05:27.850 --> 00:05:31.189 came to, you know, the fact that it's easy to 00:05:31.189 --> 00:05:35.589 come to church as young people and then leave. 00:05:35.670 --> 00:05:38.410 And if you're not theologically formed in those 00:05:38.410 --> 00:05:42.449 times, it feels like the world has so many pressures 00:05:42.449 --> 00:05:45.990 and you're not going to be able to know what 00:05:45.990 --> 00:05:48.569 that Christian story is that can respond to them 00:05:48.569 --> 00:05:51.490 and to anchor them. And so there needed to be... 00:05:51.819 --> 00:05:54.500 deeper formation both for young people as well 00:05:54.500 --> 00:05:57.500 as for those who are coming in who are a little 00:05:57.500 --> 00:06:01.279 older beyond university for example and that's 00:06:01.279 --> 00:06:03.920 a slightly different group than the youth so 00:06:03.920 --> 00:06:06.259 i would say those three really struck me rob 00:06:06.259 --> 00:06:08.120 i'm not sure if you want to speak to the others 00:06:08.120 --> 00:06:12.040 but um but those are the ones yeah you know one 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:16.490 of the ones that kind of um started lower down 00:06:16.490 --> 00:06:19.790 on the radar, but then emerged to kind of quickly 00:06:19.790 --> 00:06:21.889 kind of peaked up toward the end was around leadership 00:06:21.889 --> 00:06:24.970 development and raising up leaders. And I think 00:06:24.970 --> 00:06:30.129 it's because we started to realize that if we 00:06:30.129 --> 00:06:34.050 have visions and plans for the future, if we 00:06:34.050 --> 00:06:36.490 don't have the leadership capacity, if we don't 00:06:36.490 --> 00:06:42.120 have people to kind of you know, lead this work, 00:06:42.259 --> 00:06:46.000 then it's going to be a recipe for burnout for 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:48.620 the few people that are trying to carry it. You 00:06:48.620 --> 00:06:51.060 know, I can, I can think back to early days when 00:06:51.060 --> 00:06:54.439 I was, you know, just getting started in ministry 00:06:54.439 --> 00:06:57.339 and I had all sorts of ideas. But it felt like 00:06:57.339 --> 00:06:59.639 I was also the only one who was carrying them. 00:06:59.720 --> 00:07:04.360 And it was such a bad idea. Not only did we never 00:07:04.360 --> 00:07:07.399 really get very far in these ideas, but I, you 00:07:07.399 --> 00:07:09.339 know, nearly killed myself, right? Kind of being 00:07:09.339 --> 00:07:11.240 the one thinking like, you know, I've got to 00:07:11.240 --> 00:07:13.420 lead the charge on all these things. So I really 00:07:13.420 --> 00:07:16.860 love how we've identified right in the strategic 00:07:16.860 --> 00:07:20.240 plan that this is going to be a shared leadership 00:07:20.240 --> 00:07:23.779 approach for this. We're going to raise up the 00:07:23.779 --> 00:07:26.790 very leaders we need. to live out this, this 00:07:26.790 --> 00:07:29.029 plan. Yeah. Yeah. And in that way, I think a 00:07:29.029 --> 00:07:30.829 lot of the pieces are really interconnected, 00:07:31.069 --> 00:07:33.550 right? That like, we think of them as these five 00:07:33.550 --> 00:07:38.110 signposts, but, but we can't do one without the 00:07:38.110 --> 00:07:41.250 other, right? That we need to be able to grow 00:07:41.250 --> 00:07:44.050 deep so that we can extend our reach, that we 00:07:44.050 --> 00:07:47.709 can raise leaders, right? And that. in caring 00:07:47.709 --> 00:07:49.949 for our community we're caring for youth and 00:07:49.949 --> 00:07:52.110 young adults and we're caring for the people 00:07:52.110 --> 00:07:54.470 that we haven't even met yet right yeah yeah 00:07:54.470 --> 00:07:56.329 they're all they're all these bits that's right 00:07:56.329 --> 00:07:58.269 they all do things work together and that's like 00:07:58.269 --> 00:08:00.029 a god thing you know when that happens you kind 00:08:00.029 --> 00:08:03.490 of feel like oh yeah god's been in this for sure 00:08:03.490 --> 00:08:08.769 so um in some ways this is a new season for trinity 00:08:08.769 --> 00:08:11.839 i think but it's not all brand new. I think it 00:08:11.839 --> 00:08:14.879 really fits with the sort of DNA of who Trinity 00:08:14.879 --> 00:08:17.620 is. So as you think about, you know, Trinity's 00:08:17.620 --> 00:08:21.319 history and values, like how does this new plan 00:08:21.319 --> 00:08:26.019 sort of mesh with those, do you think? Oh, I 00:08:26.019 --> 00:08:31.279 mean, that's a good question. I mean, you know, 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:34.740 forever, Trinity has had this like mission statement 00:08:34.740 --> 00:08:38.059 that we're a group of ordinary people learning 00:08:38.059 --> 00:08:41.940 to follow Jesus in our own day. And I don't think 00:08:41.940 --> 00:08:44.600 anything we've talked about today, anything that 00:08:44.600 --> 00:08:49.000 we're doing in this new plan deviates from that 00:08:49.000 --> 00:08:51.960 very basic and simple statement. It's all still, 00:08:52.100 --> 00:08:56.100 you know, deeply rooted in that. And I should 00:08:56.100 --> 00:08:59.240 say, like, it could be like we have a mission 00:08:59.240 --> 00:09:02.360 statement. We also have this vision statement 00:09:02.360 --> 00:09:04.759 of loving Jesus, living like Jesus, leading others 00:09:04.759 --> 00:09:08.799 to Jesus. This is not a new. vision statement 00:09:08.799 --> 00:09:10.940 we're coming up this is not a new mission statement 00:09:10.940 --> 00:09:13.340 this is again it's kind of the plan it's it's 00:09:13.340 --> 00:09:16.639 these are the the the road signs that get us 00:09:16.639 --> 00:09:19.159 there it's the like how to the vision yes that's 00:09:19.159 --> 00:09:22.759 right yeah yeah exactly so in that sense uh i 00:09:22.759 --> 00:09:26.039 think it fits very nicely in with the existing 00:09:26.039 --> 00:09:29.460 kind of um vision and mission of trinity yeah 00:09:29.460 --> 00:09:31.559 yeah yeah what what would you sort of add to 00:09:31.559 --> 00:09:34.259 that yeah i wouldn't Too much, actually. I would 00:09:34.259 --> 00:09:37.580 just say that Trinity's had a long history of 00:09:37.580 --> 00:09:41.080 really strong lay leaders. And in many ways, 00:09:41.080 --> 00:09:44.240 the church has had strong pastoral leadership, 00:09:44.399 --> 00:09:46.879 but then it's been this pillars of people who 00:09:46.879 --> 00:09:50.620 are taking leadership on prayer, on outreach, 00:09:50.779 --> 00:09:54.940 on alpha, on all these different ways in which 00:09:54.940 --> 00:09:59.759 really very capable and faithful leaders have. 00:10:00.440 --> 00:10:03.940 in the DNA of this church. And I think the challenge 00:10:03.940 --> 00:10:07.279 and the promise is that the plan builds on that, 00:10:07.379 --> 00:10:13.159 but it commits as more people come in to growing 00:10:13.159 --> 00:10:16.120 new ones as well. I think there was a sense in 00:10:16.120 --> 00:10:19.720 which many of those leaders, I just think they're 00:10:19.720 --> 00:10:21.980 growing a little older right now. I can think 00:10:21.980 --> 00:10:23.820 of names that are just growing a little older. 00:10:23.919 --> 00:10:27.700 And if we are not intentional about developing 00:10:27.700 --> 00:10:34.830 new younger people in that faithfulness, I think 00:10:34.830 --> 00:10:39.230 that work will become shallower over time. For 00:10:39.230 --> 00:10:41.730 sure, for sure. And going back to something you 00:10:41.730 --> 00:10:45.710 said earlier, Jordana, I think that for so many 00:10:45.710 --> 00:10:48.029 churches, when they come up with things like 00:10:48.029 --> 00:10:51.529 strategic plans and all that, the why underneath 00:10:51.529 --> 00:10:54.860 all of it is because we want to grow. We want 00:10:54.860 --> 00:10:56.419 to grow the church. We want to grow the church. 00:10:56.820 --> 00:11:01.639 And I think that that's what I love about this 00:11:01.639 --> 00:11:05.100 plan is that actually we do talk about extending 00:11:05.100 --> 00:11:08.679 our reach, but that is like the fifth sign. Sure. 00:11:08.759 --> 00:11:13.000 It is down the road. And it really it starts 00:11:13.000 --> 00:11:16.740 with, yeah, growing deep before growing wide. 00:11:16.759 --> 00:11:19.870 It talks about caring. In fact. I was a little 00:11:19.870 --> 00:11:23.269 bit uncertain how I felt about this because caring 00:11:23.269 --> 00:11:27.929 has like an inwardness to it. Right. And I think 00:11:27.929 --> 00:11:29.169 we think, no, we've always going to be going 00:11:29.169 --> 00:11:30.970 outward, outward, outward. But no, there is a 00:11:30.970 --> 00:11:33.590 sense in which we want to disciple our people, 00:11:33.649 --> 00:11:35.610 want to care for our people. We want to raise 00:11:35.610 --> 00:11:38.950 up from within, you know, leaders and young people. 00:11:39.950 --> 00:11:44.009 And yeah, all that leads to growth by God's grace 00:11:44.009 --> 00:11:48.429 that could happen. But that's not what's in the 00:11:48.429 --> 00:11:52.230 driver's seat with this. Yeah, it's that sense 00:11:52.230 --> 00:11:55.909 of like, we need to create a healthy space where 00:11:55.909 --> 00:12:00.309 people are feeling cared for, where people are 00:12:00.309 --> 00:12:02.409 feeling like growing in their connection to Christ, 00:12:02.490 --> 00:12:04.669 growing in their connection to one another. And 00:12:04.669 --> 00:12:07.480 I think that will naturally... people will become 00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:09.899 curious about it i think it will naturally become 00:12:09.899 --> 00:12:12.399 a welcoming space it already is trinity is a 00:12:12.399 --> 00:12:14.399 super welcoming space right like lots of people 00:12:14.399 --> 00:12:19.000 have said that right and so as we focus on caring 00:12:19.000 --> 00:12:20.860 for the people who are already here i think i 00:12:20.860 --> 00:12:23.559 believe that god will continue to to bless that 00:12:23.559 --> 00:12:27.919 work yes yes that's right like a healthy church 00:12:27.919 --> 00:12:31.759 is it's own best advertising in a sense, right? 00:12:31.799 --> 00:12:33.500 It's a horrible way of saying it, but, but yeah, 00:12:33.559 --> 00:12:36.259 just, there's a, there's a magnetic, uh, quality 00:12:36.259 --> 00:12:39.120 to that, that when, uh, people in Christ are 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:41.700 caring for each other and the Holy spirit is 00:12:41.700 --> 00:12:44.080 creating a vibrant, healthy community that has, 00:12:44.179 --> 00:12:47.460 um, that, that it's has, there's a gravity to 00:12:47.460 --> 00:12:50.919 that. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. So there's 00:12:50.919 --> 00:12:53.320 all of these ways that this plan has sort of 00:12:53.320 --> 00:12:57.320 built on who Trinity is, our DNA, what we value. 00:12:57.759 --> 00:13:00.360 Um, Obviously, it's a new vision, so there are 00:13:00.360 --> 00:13:03.080 new parts of this as well. Yeah, are there any 00:13:03.080 --> 00:13:05.360 pieces of this that you feel like are sort of 00:13:05.360 --> 00:13:10.700 new or uncharted territory for Trinity? Yeah, 00:13:10.720 --> 00:13:13.059 what would you sort of say for that, Jordana? 00:13:13.519 --> 00:13:16.799 Well, I do think that the young adult ministry 00:13:16.799 --> 00:13:19.799 focus is new. There has been a sense in which 00:13:19.799 --> 00:13:22.860 children have been taken care of. But as we move 00:13:22.860 --> 00:13:27.860 into more young people coming in or some of the 00:13:27.860 --> 00:13:29.820 children growing out of the children's ministry, 00:13:30.039 --> 00:13:35.159 it matters how they are cared for and discipled. 00:13:35.159 --> 00:13:39.000 And so that's new. What else? I think the sense 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:42.509 of outreach is new. And there are challenges, 00:13:42.570 --> 00:13:45.269 too, as much as the word a word like discipleship 00:13:45.269 --> 00:13:48.110 is so necessary. And we feel like that grounds 00:13:48.110 --> 00:13:52.190 everything. How to live out that discipleship 00:13:52.190 --> 00:13:54.389 for different ages and different ways and different 00:13:54.389 --> 00:13:58.649 needs is going to be something that we need to 00:13:58.649 --> 00:14:01.830 think through going forward. Right. So, yeah. 00:14:01.950 --> 00:14:06.049 And I think I think like. Often, when you talk 00:14:06.049 --> 00:14:09.049 to people who study church statistics and growth 00:14:09.049 --> 00:14:10.649 and things like that, they'll talk about the 00:14:10.649 --> 00:14:12.990 university age of the young adults as being the 00:14:12.990 --> 00:14:16.289 place where there's often a gap. Right. Like 00:14:16.289 --> 00:14:18.149 churches are really good at providing bridges 00:14:18.149 --> 00:14:21.629 from kids ministry into youth ministry. And then, 00:14:21.629 --> 00:14:23.830 you know, if they come back as adults with their 00:14:23.830 --> 00:14:25.830 own kids, there's like bridges for that. But 00:14:25.830 --> 00:14:28.649 like when someone goes off to university and 00:14:28.649 --> 00:14:31.330 like they're sort of forced into independence 00:14:31.330 --> 00:14:34.909 in some ways, like that's often a gap. And so 00:14:34.909 --> 00:14:36.990 for Trinity to be like, we want to really intentionally 00:14:36.990 --> 00:14:40.110 bridge that gap. We want to provide spaces for 00:14:40.110 --> 00:14:43.360 care and community and discipleship. In the midst 00:14:43.360 --> 00:14:45.179 of that, I think is really important. Yeah. And 00:14:45.179 --> 00:14:47.980 it wasn't like it was even just something that 00:14:47.980 --> 00:14:50.539 a bunch of people around a table decided this 00:14:50.539 --> 00:14:52.960 would be a good idea. I think there was there 00:14:52.960 --> 00:14:55.679 was an awareness that this was kind of happening 00:14:55.679 --> 00:15:00.440 organically in our myths. It's like, you know, 00:15:00.460 --> 00:15:03.039 you can plant all these seeds and then sometimes 00:15:03.039 --> 00:15:05.080 something is starting to grow over here and you 00:15:05.080 --> 00:15:06.860 never really planted that or you weren't really. 00:15:07.480 --> 00:15:09.820 intending or aware that that was growing. And 00:15:09.820 --> 00:15:12.940 I think what we discovered is there was this 00:15:12.940 --> 00:15:16.379 young adult kind of ministry, this young adult 00:15:16.379 --> 00:15:19.580 kind of hunger for going deeper that was kind 00:15:19.580 --> 00:15:22.860 of appearing. And thankfully, people like Mia 00:15:22.860 --> 00:15:26.940 and Ethan Brandon and others kind of jumped in 00:15:26.940 --> 00:15:29.240 to provide some leadership to kind of create 00:15:29.240 --> 00:15:34.159 some a life group around that. And. So, you know, 00:15:34.179 --> 00:15:37.899 there's the old saying, right, that if you want 00:15:37.899 --> 00:15:39.679 to know kind of where to go, like look for where 00:15:39.679 --> 00:15:43.039 God is at work and then join in with what God 00:15:43.039 --> 00:15:45.340 is already doing. And I really felt like that's 00:15:45.340 --> 00:15:50.039 what was happening in our desire to support young 00:15:50.039 --> 00:15:54.399 adult ministry is that we saw it. We're like, 00:15:54.480 --> 00:15:56.799 oh, God is doing something here. Yeah. We need 00:15:56.799 --> 00:15:59.279 to invest there, you know, go where God is going. 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:02.159 Yeah. Yeah. Are there any other bits that feel 00:16:02.159 --> 00:16:04.919 like like new or uncharted territory? Well, a 00:16:04.919 --> 00:16:08.620 couple maybe like we're starting to create more 00:16:08.620 --> 00:16:12.860 of our own material and content and stuff like 00:16:12.860 --> 00:16:16.019 that. So so developing this course, I mean, there's 00:16:16.019 --> 00:16:19.039 great courses out there. Alpha is an amazing 00:16:19.039 --> 00:16:21.460 course. We've used practicing the way material. 00:16:22.379 --> 00:16:24.860 But throughout this process, I think there's 00:16:24.860 --> 00:16:28.870 been this sense that. The better that we get 00:16:28.870 --> 00:16:30.610 to know our own people in our own context, we 00:16:30.610 --> 00:16:33.149 have the ability to kind of create our own material, 00:16:33.289 --> 00:16:35.629 our own curriculum and stuff like that. So so 00:16:35.629 --> 00:16:39.149 that is kind of new. We're going to be filming 00:16:39.149 --> 00:16:42.919 this kind of. new discipleship curriculum over 00:16:42.919 --> 00:16:46.360 the next month. And, um, I've never done that 00:16:46.360 --> 00:16:49.059 before and I don't know how it'll go and if it'll 00:16:49.059 --> 00:16:51.440 be worth it or not, but we definitely felt like, 00:16:51.440 --> 00:16:53.940 yeah, this is something we need to do as a church. 00:16:53.980 --> 00:16:57.000 And, and, and that's kind of new. Is that for 00:16:57.000 --> 00:17:00.340 the whole church? Yeah, it would. Okay. Yes. 00:17:00.340 --> 00:17:02.960 It's, I mean, what do you mean by that? Oh, I 00:17:02.960 --> 00:17:05.880 was. Or whether it was just for discipleship 00:17:05.880 --> 00:17:08.759 year students. No, no, no, no. So this is like 00:17:08.759 --> 00:17:13.759 a teaching series that we did in Lent. Kind of 00:17:13.759 --> 00:17:17.700 now being turned into, you know, like a video 00:17:17.700 --> 00:17:20.779 series that would have like workbooks and stuff 00:17:20.779 --> 00:17:22.759 like that to go with it. Kind of like a small 00:17:22.759 --> 00:17:26.200 group curriculum type. Yeah. You know, years 00:17:26.200 --> 00:17:28.480 ago, Harold Percy had a course here at Trinity 00:17:28.480 --> 00:17:31.460 that he built called Christianity 101. Right. 00:17:31.579 --> 00:17:34.279 Well, you know, what about Alpha? Wasn't Alpha 00:17:34.279 --> 00:17:37.819 a Christianity 101? Well, yes, it was. But but, 00:17:37.900 --> 00:17:40.019 you know, Harold felt like there was something 00:17:40.019 --> 00:17:42.460 to be said about creating something that was, 00:17:42.460 --> 00:17:46.140 you know. kind of homegrown. And, uh, I think 00:17:46.140 --> 00:17:47.460 that's the same kind of a thing. There's not, 00:17:47.480 --> 00:17:49.420 there's resources out there, but we've, we're 00:17:49.420 --> 00:17:50.779 feeling the desire to create something that's 00:17:50.779 --> 00:17:52.539 kind of homegrown. The other thing that is definitely 00:17:52.539 --> 00:17:55.180 going to be new or a stretch is of course, all 00:17:55.180 --> 00:17:57.660 this talk about, you know, whether God might 00:17:57.660 --> 00:18:01.200 be calling Trinity to, to plant a church in the, 00:18:01.220 --> 00:18:05.200 in not tomorrow or next year, but I'm actually 00:18:05.200 --> 00:18:08.240 genuinely excited about that because the more 00:18:08.240 --> 00:18:10.240 I think about it, the more I think that's actually 00:18:10.240 --> 00:18:13.599 like, shouldn't be so strange. That should be 00:18:13.599 --> 00:18:18.839 like a normal part of the life cycle of a church 00:18:18.839 --> 00:18:21.500 to reproduce. Like I said this morning, this 00:18:21.500 --> 00:18:24.599 church is here because a group of people at some 00:18:24.599 --> 00:18:28.240 point said, hey, let's leave our places of worship 00:18:28.240 --> 00:18:30.559 and start a new place of worship because we've 00:18:30.559 --> 00:18:32.539 discerned there's a need here. Every church had 00:18:32.539 --> 00:18:34.779 its beginnings. It was always planted by a group 00:18:34.779 --> 00:18:39.920 of faithful people who went out and began a church 00:18:39.920 --> 00:18:43.140 with God's. help. So, uh, I don't think it should 00:18:43.140 --> 00:18:45.480 be that crazy or a strange of an idea. And so 00:18:45.480 --> 00:18:46.960 I'm kind of glad that we're starting to talk 00:18:46.960 --> 00:18:49.240 about it. We're starting to explore that. And 00:18:49.240 --> 00:18:53.160 I really do think that when it comes to, um, 00:18:53.339 --> 00:18:55.660 this, you know, churches growing and all that 00:18:55.660 --> 00:18:58.059 stuff, you do start to see diminishing returns, 00:18:58.380 --> 00:19:00.900 uh, like plateauing in your, in your growth. 00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:02.640 You can keep putting the work and the energy 00:19:02.640 --> 00:19:06.180 in, uh, but at some point, uh, it just, you know, 00:19:06.180 --> 00:19:09.940 it's, it's, uh, it's, it's not. sustainable to 00:19:09.940 --> 00:19:12.740 keep growing in the same building. Yes. And that 00:19:12.740 --> 00:19:14.819 sort of thing you mean? Yeah. And so I think 00:19:14.819 --> 00:19:16.980 you, you, and I mean, and all the research says 00:19:16.980 --> 00:19:20.319 this, that you get, um, way more kind of impact. 00:19:20.400 --> 00:19:22.599 You reach more people and especially young people 00:19:22.599 --> 00:19:25.660 through starting a new community somewhere else 00:19:25.660 --> 00:19:28.180 with some new leadership, obviously still connected 00:19:28.180 --> 00:19:31.259 to Trinity, but there's just way more fruit that 00:19:31.259 --> 00:19:33.779 gets born that way. And so I'm excited to explore 00:19:33.779 --> 00:19:35.579 that. I've never done that before. Yeah. Yeah. 00:19:35.680 --> 00:19:39.799 Very cool. Yeah. So, yeah, you've just said you're 00:19:39.799 --> 00:19:42.400 excited about this. Jordana, when you think about 00:19:42.400 --> 00:19:44.599 all of the pieces of this plan, is there a piece 00:19:44.599 --> 00:19:48.039 that feels really exciting to you? I think discipleship. 00:19:48.039 --> 00:19:51.319 Yeah. That's the thing that feels exciting for 00:19:51.319 --> 00:19:53.960 me. And then as a mom of two boys, I think the 00:19:53.960 --> 00:19:58.809 focus and the deepening in youth ministry. As 00:19:58.809 --> 00:20:03.190 any parent, I think, does worry about their formation, 00:20:03.549 --> 00:20:08.130 their grounding, their love for Jesus. I don't 00:20:08.130 --> 00:20:12.039 want that to fade. and it's easy right now to 00:20:12.039 --> 00:20:15.440 create spaces where we can talk about these things, 00:20:15.500 --> 00:20:18.799 but they are growing into teenagers, and they 00:20:18.799 --> 00:20:20.559 will have their own ideas, and there needs to 00:20:20.559 --> 00:20:25.180 be a space outside of my voice to bring questions, 00:20:25.299 --> 00:20:31.160 to have them answered thoughtfully, and to encourage 00:20:31.160 --> 00:20:36.289 them in that walk. And so those two tend to be 00:20:36.289 --> 00:20:38.630 like discipleship for me and for the children, 00:20:38.690 --> 00:20:40.390 to be honest. I just don't think it's possible 00:20:40.390 --> 00:20:43.630 to disciple kids without yourself being a disciple. 00:20:43.730 --> 00:20:48.349 Sure. Yeah. But but that's space for deeper formation 00:20:48.349 --> 00:20:51.589 for them. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. And 00:20:51.589 --> 00:20:54.309 I liked that aspect that came out in the process 00:20:54.309 --> 00:20:58.329 that it's discipleship for every age and stage. 00:20:59.710 --> 00:21:04.430 And. That just excites me because this is something 00:21:04.430 --> 00:21:06.349 we can work on in children's ministry. It's something 00:21:06.349 --> 00:21:09.109 we can work on in youth ministry, with our adults, 00:21:09.210 --> 00:21:14.190 with our DY students at camp. So it kind of gives 00:21:14.190 --> 00:21:16.630 us, it gives all of our staff and all of our 00:21:16.630 --> 00:21:19.150 leaders, like their marching orders, that this 00:21:19.150 --> 00:21:22.069 piece actually pertains to you. It pertains to 00:21:22.069 --> 00:21:25.089 your, you know, to life groups. Yes, it's you. 00:21:25.230 --> 00:21:27.109 You know, youth ministry. Yes. Junior youth. 00:21:27.170 --> 00:21:29.150 Yes. You know, children's ministry. Yeah. It 00:21:29.150 --> 00:21:34.019 was really named. that it's not one particular 00:21:34.019 --> 00:21:37.700 demographic that needs this attention. It's, 00:21:37.740 --> 00:21:40.339 it has to be a lifelong journey of discipleship 00:21:40.339 --> 00:21:43.200 before Jesus. And I just want to kind of say 00:21:43.200 --> 00:21:45.220 one, like, I think that as well, Jordana, you 00:21:45.220 --> 00:21:46.500 mentioned something that, you know, you have 00:21:46.500 --> 00:21:49.119 this, this feeling that I think so many parents 00:21:49.119 --> 00:21:51.480 feel that you so want your children to kind of 00:21:51.480 --> 00:21:53.440 embrace the faith for themselves and make that 00:21:53.440 --> 00:21:55.619 transition that you spoke about. It is often 00:21:55.619 --> 00:21:58.000 so difficult when they start to get older. And, 00:21:58.000 --> 00:22:01.170 um, I think that we all know people, and there 00:22:01.170 --> 00:22:03.829 are many people here at this church who, yeah, 00:22:04.049 --> 00:22:08.609 their children, for whatever reason, have maybe 00:22:08.609 --> 00:22:13.539 not made that decision. And I think so. There 00:22:13.539 --> 00:22:16.240 was a bit of pain, I think, sometimes, too, that 00:22:16.240 --> 00:22:20.039 people named at times, maybe in conversations 00:22:20.039 --> 00:22:23.440 with me about, you know, I don't know why that 00:22:23.440 --> 00:22:25.779 happened for my kids. I don't know why they, 00:22:25.900 --> 00:22:29.259 after all those years, why that happened, that 00:22:29.259 --> 00:22:32.480 they ended up not continuing to grow in their 00:22:32.480 --> 00:22:36.980 faith and not continuing to follow Jesus. Uh, 00:22:37.140 --> 00:22:39.140 you know, we kind of feel that pain. We, we, 00:22:39.140 --> 00:22:41.859 we want the, our children to have a lifelong 00:22:41.859 --> 00:22:45.559 journey with Jesus. So, um, yeah. So I, I'm excited 00:22:45.559 --> 00:22:47.619 about, about that investment. Yeah. Or Trinity 00:22:47.619 --> 00:22:50.460 to like find ways to, yeah. Help heal some of 00:22:50.460 --> 00:22:52.319 those wounds maybe. Yeah. Bridge some of those 00:22:52.319 --> 00:22:57.079 gaps. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Um, okay. So all 00:22:57.079 --> 00:22:59.329 of a sudden. Exciting. It also all sounds very 00:22:59.329 --> 00:23:03.210 big and maybe challenging. So as you sort of 00:23:03.210 --> 00:23:05.509 look ahead to this, Rob, are there any sort of 00:23:05.509 --> 00:23:08.130 specific challenges that you sort of anticipate 00:23:08.130 --> 00:23:18.930 facing? So, I mean, I think finding and building 00:23:18.930 --> 00:23:24.690 the right leadership team to activate these ideas 00:23:24.690 --> 00:23:28.400 is... probably one of the challenges that I see 00:23:28.400 --> 00:23:32.660 is like the big one on my plate is to, yeah, 00:23:32.779 --> 00:23:35.380 if we want to have amazing youth ministry, how 00:23:35.380 --> 00:23:37.460 do we make sure we have amazing youth leaders, 00:23:37.539 --> 00:23:39.259 right? If we want to have amazing young adult 00:23:39.259 --> 00:23:41.900 ministry, we have to have leaders in those places. 00:23:41.960 --> 00:23:45.500 If we want to, you know, like one of the ideas 00:23:45.500 --> 00:23:47.519 that we floated out there was, hey, wouldn't 00:23:47.519 --> 00:23:50.019 it be great if we had a staff person that could 00:23:50.019 --> 00:23:53.619 focus just on equipping and raising up and celebrating 00:23:53.619 --> 00:23:58.319 our, teams and our leaders and our volunteers, 00:23:58.319 --> 00:24:00.599 I get really, really excited about that. But 00:24:00.599 --> 00:24:03.319 then I'm like, yeah, but who is that person? 00:24:03.339 --> 00:24:07.339 Who would that person be that has those skills, 00:24:07.519 --> 00:24:11.339 that passion? And so, yeah, people resources, 00:24:11.579 --> 00:24:14.400 as I said in the sermon, I think that is our, 00:24:14.500 --> 00:24:19.039 that's our number one resource is the people. 00:24:19.259 --> 00:24:21.079 Sure. Tied to that, and then I'll hand it over 00:24:21.079 --> 00:24:24.390 to Jordana, I think there may also be some financial 00:24:24.390 --> 00:24:27.289 resources that we need to find in order to make 00:24:27.289 --> 00:24:29.789 some of this happen. Um, I don't, I don't think 00:24:29.789 --> 00:24:32.549 that's a huge part of it. Um, but yeah, every, 00:24:32.769 --> 00:24:36.049 uh, you know, ministry costs money. Yeah. Right. 00:24:36.049 --> 00:24:39.059 And so, uh, if we, if we have a big vision. For 00:24:39.059 --> 00:24:41.759 the future, one of the challenges will be making 00:24:41.759 --> 00:24:45.180 sure that it continues to get funded through 00:24:45.180 --> 00:24:47.059 the generosity of our congregation. For sure. 00:24:47.200 --> 00:24:49.240 For sure. Yeah. Yeah. What about you, Jordan? 00:24:49.279 --> 00:24:51.160 Are there any challenges you sort of anticipate? 00:24:51.279 --> 00:24:52.819 Yeah, I think that the leadership bit is the 00:24:52.819 --> 00:24:54.720 biggest one. I think one of the things that came 00:24:54.720 --> 00:24:56.519 out of that is that if you're going to try and 00:24:56.519 --> 00:24:59.519 raise leaders, you know, you need to do it from 00:24:59.519 --> 00:25:01.819 within, from the congregation itself, people 00:25:01.819 --> 00:25:04.839 who are already invested here in many ways, just 00:25:04.839 --> 00:25:07.609 because. As you said, otherwise it ends up being 00:25:07.609 --> 00:25:10.089 a sort of paid position at every level and every 00:25:10.089 --> 00:25:12.750 stage, and then finances become an issue, whereas 00:25:12.750 --> 00:25:15.490 there's much more organic sense of team building 00:25:15.490 --> 00:25:18.569 when we talk about raising lay leaders, maybe. 00:25:19.569 --> 00:25:23.049 I don't know, Rob, whether I'm getting it wrong 00:25:23.049 --> 00:25:25.730 over here in terms of the interrelation between 00:25:25.730 --> 00:25:29.069 financial and lay leaders. I was thinking much 00:25:29.069 --> 00:25:31.700 more of lay leaders in terms of just... Those 00:25:31.700 --> 00:25:34.960 who will just lead ministries that they have 00:25:34.960 --> 00:25:37.480 a heart of and have that. Have a career somewhere 00:25:37.480 --> 00:25:39.680 else. They may have a career somewhere else. 00:25:39.700 --> 00:25:41.240 They may have some resources. And you actually 00:25:41.240 --> 00:25:43.480 end up drawing on that in ways that are more 00:25:43.480 --> 00:25:47.099 sustainable than always asking for money to have 00:25:47.099 --> 00:25:51.940 a paid position. And, you know, in that case, 00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:54.460 very often leaders like that end up working in 00:25:54.460 --> 00:25:57.299 teams and naturally mentoring new leaders. But 00:25:57.299 --> 00:26:00.140 that investment in those leaders, those sort 00:26:00.140 --> 00:26:03.140 of. Leaders matter. I'm just thinking of one 00:26:03.140 --> 00:26:05.160 story. Sorry, I know you want to get in. No, 00:26:05.259 --> 00:26:08.200 I don't. We're coming out of time. Just that 00:26:08.200 --> 00:26:09.900 one story where I heard of a missionary talk 00:26:09.900 --> 00:26:12.960 about somewhere else where there was a question 00:26:12.960 --> 00:26:16.000 about growth in churches abroad. And he said, 00:26:16.039 --> 00:26:19.059 well, you know, Americans are very. and maybe 00:26:19.059 --> 00:26:20.819 Canadians too, but Americans are very hung up 00:26:20.819 --> 00:26:23.200 on numbers. We can have 10 ,000 people come to 00:26:23.200 --> 00:26:25.099 Christ and never have any discipleship for them, 00:26:25.119 --> 00:26:28.180 or we can raise up 10 Pauls, right? What matters 00:26:28.180 --> 00:26:31.339 more? And so that investment in people who can 00:26:31.339 --> 00:26:35.779 then have that impact means time and means patience. 00:26:36.019 --> 00:26:39.200 Sure. But it also means sort of a kind of prioritization 00:26:39.200 --> 00:26:42.880 of where do we put initial energy and then allow 00:26:42.880 --> 00:26:47.039 that to grow. Yeah. Yeah. No, I think you're, 00:26:47.079 --> 00:26:50.630 I mean, Trinity is, frankly, spoiled in the sense 00:26:50.630 --> 00:26:54.109 that we have so many people already here who 00:26:54.109 --> 00:26:58.630 in their work lives or some of them in their 00:26:58.630 --> 00:27:04.450 ministry work have such amazing leadership gifts 00:27:04.450 --> 00:27:09.069 and experiences to bring to the table. So we're, 00:27:09.069 --> 00:27:11.710 I mean, that's amazing because it means that 00:27:11.710 --> 00:27:14.700 this doesn't necessarily. cost this doesn't cost 00:27:14.700 --> 00:27:16.859 a lot of money right like you're right you're 00:27:16.859 --> 00:27:19.200 totally right on Jordana like this is a this 00:27:19.200 --> 00:27:22.900 this is not a strategic plan that needs oodles 00:27:22.900 --> 00:27:25.980 of money to make it work what we're what we really 00:27:25.980 --> 00:27:29.059 need to do is activate the the the potential 00:27:29.059 --> 00:27:31.460 in our congregation right now and and I think 00:27:31.460 --> 00:27:33.759 that's definitely doable by the way and yeah 00:27:33.759 --> 00:27:38.619 yeah yeah yeah okay so As we've sort of shared 00:27:38.619 --> 00:27:41.500 all this and rolled all of it out, are there 00:27:41.500 --> 00:27:43.619 any ways that you think our congregation can 00:27:43.619 --> 00:27:46.400 be supporting and praying for this vision? Like 00:27:46.400 --> 00:27:49.259 what what is the role of the people in all of 00:27:49.259 --> 00:27:53.440 this? Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, you you said 00:27:53.440 --> 00:27:57.759 praying. And I really do think that is the number 00:27:57.759 --> 00:28:02.859 one thing to be doing at this moment. The last 00:28:02.859 --> 00:28:07.220 time I. felt like we just got to pray. We just 00:28:07.220 --> 00:28:09.880 got to pray. Like in the same way was like I 00:28:09.880 --> 00:28:12.019 shared, you know, about five years ago when there 00:28:12.019 --> 00:28:14.460 was like, it was a brand new situation for me. 00:28:14.579 --> 00:28:17.480 It was a brand new city for me, a church of full 00:28:17.480 --> 00:28:19.400 of people that I never met. And because of the 00:28:19.400 --> 00:28:21.960 pandemic would kind of take a long time to meet. 00:28:22.519 --> 00:28:26.000 And I said, what do we do? What do we do here? 00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:28.519 Do we need a strategic plan? Do we need like 00:28:28.519 --> 00:28:31.500 a new program? And I think when the answer kind 00:28:31.500 --> 00:28:33.299 of finally came to us, it was like, well, duh, 00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:36.700 of course. Just pray. We need to pray. This is 00:28:36.700 --> 00:28:39.660 a time to pray and to really lean into prayer 00:28:39.660 --> 00:28:44.519 and to kind of turn our church into a house of 00:28:44.519 --> 00:28:48.380 prayer. And so that was. the emphasis that was 00:28:48.380 --> 00:28:50.740 what we discerned needed to happen in that moment. 00:28:50.799 --> 00:28:52.500 And I think we're, we're kind of in a moment 00:28:52.500 --> 00:28:54.579 like that again right now. Yeah. Right. As we, 00:28:54.579 --> 00:28:56.559 as we launch out of this, one of the best things 00:28:56.559 --> 00:28:58.599 people can do and people who are watching at 00:28:58.599 --> 00:29:01.619 home or people who are here in person is just 00:29:01.619 --> 00:29:06.000 to pray for your church, pray for the children, 00:29:06.140 --> 00:29:10.359 pray for the staff and the leaders here. and 00:29:10.359 --> 00:29:12.920 and pray that this this vision this strategic 00:29:12.920 --> 00:29:16.059 plan really takes root one of my biggest fears 00:29:16.059 --> 00:29:17.940 would be is that we've done all this work it 00:29:17.940 --> 00:29:20.619 becomes a document and now it just goes and sits 00:29:20.619 --> 00:29:23.799 on a shelf so so one thing they can do is pray 00:29:23.799 --> 00:29:25.940 but the other thing they can do is try to figure 00:29:25.940 --> 00:29:29.339 out what is my part in this right because because 00:29:29.339 --> 00:29:32.759 like jeremiah said stand at the crossroads you 00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:36.839 know look and ask but then once you see the good 00:29:36.839 --> 00:29:38.960 way you must walk in it right there there so 00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:41.470 so all of us will have some part to play in this 00:29:41.470 --> 00:29:43.710 so sure so i would say to folks watching like 00:29:44.170 --> 00:29:46.529 What is going to be that part for you? You know, 00:29:46.549 --> 00:29:49.710 how are you going to walk in this good way that 00:29:49.710 --> 00:29:51.829 God has given us? Are you going to, you know, 00:29:51.829 --> 00:29:54.150 put your hand up when the call comes for leaders? 00:29:54.269 --> 00:29:57.430 Are you going to, you know, be generous? Are 00:29:57.430 --> 00:29:59.569 you going to pray regularly for the church? So, 00:29:59.609 --> 00:30:01.789 yeah, we all got to walk in it. For sure. For 00:30:01.789 --> 00:30:05.150 sure. Yeah. I will not add too much to that. 00:30:05.410 --> 00:30:08.549 I just echo that, you know, pray and then have 00:30:08.549 --> 00:30:11.750 a sense. Come alongside those leaders whose ministries 00:30:11.750 --> 00:30:15.579 you have a heart for already. you know, say that 00:30:15.579 --> 00:30:17.940 you'd like to support them or ask if you can 00:30:17.940 --> 00:30:21.000 help. There was just a lot already going on that 00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:25.119 touch on these five pillars. Yeah. And then like 00:30:25.119 --> 00:30:27.519 just strengthen what is being done. Yeah. Yeah. 00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:32.039 And I think like, I don't. My vision of a church 00:30:32.039 --> 00:30:34.559 is always that it is the people that sort of 00:30:34.559 --> 00:30:36.480 make up a church and like Rob, you're the sort 00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:39.700 of head of it, of the local church anyway. Jesus 00:30:39.700 --> 00:30:41.039 is the head of the church. Jesus is the head 00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:43.220 of the actual church. You're sort of leading 00:30:43.220 --> 00:30:45.720 the local church, but like we are all the church 00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:48.539 together. Yeah. Right. And so this is not Rob's 00:30:48.539 --> 00:30:52.599 strategic plan for Trinity. This is what we as 00:30:52.599 --> 00:30:55.460 a community of people learning to follow Jesus 00:30:55.460 --> 00:30:58.119 in our everyday lives are doing together. And 00:30:58.119 --> 00:31:01.220 so like, yeah. Whatever piece of it like speaks 00:31:01.220 --> 00:31:05.619 to you, I hope that you find some way to like 00:31:05.619 --> 00:31:08.440 be part of that, whether that is in, you know, 00:31:08.440 --> 00:31:11.059 serving through volunteering or financial support 00:31:11.059 --> 00:31:13.819 or prayer support or just showing up and asking 00:31:13.819 --> 00:31:16.000 questions, right? Like we need all of those people 00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:17.920 to bring all of the pieces. I mean, the plan 00:31:17.920 --> 00:31:20.259 emerged from the community. And so I think for 00:31:20.259 --> 00:31:23.140 that reason, it'll be easier for people to get 00:31:23.140 --> 00:31:24.839 on board and making it happen. If it had all 00:31:24.839 --> 00:31:26.900 emerged from the mind of one person, then you 00:31:26.900 --> 00:31:29.359 have to sell it to people. But we're not selling 00:31:29.359 --> 00:31:31.779 anything here. We're just telling people what 00:31:31.779 --> 00:31:34.779 you said. And I think that that'll be all they 00:31:34.779 --> 00:31:38.019 need to hear to say, okay, that's exactly what 00:31:38.019 --> 00:31:40.359 I was thinking. So let's get down to business. 00:31:40.619 --> 00:31:43.019 Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Well, thank you so much 00:31:43.019 --> 00:31:45.279 for sitting down and chatting through this a 00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:48.339 little bit. And thank you for tuning in to this 00:31:48.339 --> 00:31:51.200 week's episode of Trinity Talks. If you are a 00:31:51.200 --> 00:31:54.440 part of this Trinity family, I really want to 00:31:54.440 --> 00:31:57.650 encourage you. Pray now. Think about what it 00:31:57.650 --> 00:32:00.049 is that God is calling you to do as part of this 00:32:00.049 --> 00:32:02.970 plan. And if you're not part of the Trinity family, 00:32:03.210 --> 00:32:05.950 yeah, maybe also pray for us. We would love that. 00:32:06.269 --> 00:32:08.390 Or yeah, find out what are the ways that God 00:32:08.390 --> 00:32:11.430 might be calling you to grow deeper in the spaces 00:32:11.430 --> 00:32:13.869 where you find yourself. And we will see you 00:32:13.869 --> 00:32:14.490 again next week.