WEBVTT 00:00:02.129 --> 00:00:04.290 Hello everyone and welcome to this week's episode 00:00:04.290 --> 00:00:07.469 of Trinity Talks. My name is Kyla. My name is 00:00:07.469 --> 00:00:09.810 Amalvel. My name is Elizabeth. And I'm Hugh. 00:00:10.150 --> 00:00:13.250 And we are here to continue our conversation 00:00:13.250 --> 00:00:15.789 about spiritual practices. What are some of the 00:00:15.789 --> 00:00:18.129 habits, the things that we can do to help us 00:00:18.129 --> 00:00:21.390 grow in our walk with Christ? And today we're 00:00:21.390 --> 00:00:23.750 talking about the spiritual practice of witness. 00:00:24.210 --> 00:00:27.980 And witness is kind of a... I don't know if it's 00:00:27.980 --> 00:00:30.059 a fancy word, but it's a Christian word that 00:00:30.059 --> 00:00:33.200 we use for sort of telling people about our faith. 00:00:33.399 --> 00:00:35.299 And so we're going to talk through, you know, 00:00:35.299 --> 00:00:37.640 what are some of the things that makes that really 00:00:37.640 --> 00:00:39.060 great? What are some of the things that make 00:00:39.060 --> 00:00:41.700 that really hard? Why do people not want to tell 00:00:41.700 --> 00:00:44.479 other people about their faith sometimes? Yeah. 00:00:44.579 --> 00:00:46.520 And hopefully we can find some encouragement 00:00:46.520 --> 00:00:50.719 in the midst of the conversation as well. But 00:00:50.719 --> 00:00:53.539 yeah, just as we start thinking about, you know, 00:00:53.539 --> 00:00:57.000 what is the spiritual practice of witness? What 00:00:57.000 --> 00:01:00.340 would you sort of say to help define it? Do you 00:01:00.340 --> 00:01:04.340 want to start us off, Hugh? Sure. I would describe 00:01:04.340 --> 00:01:08.200 witnessing as different from evangelism. Yeah. 00:01:08.959 --> 00:01:14.239 Witnessing is really living and walking with 00:01:14.239 --> 00:01:18.250 someone out of deep love. It's journeying with 00:01:18.250 --> 00:01:22.569 someone. Evangelism would be more like speaking 00:01:22.569 --> 00:01:26.670 about Christian principles, maybe to a large 00:01:26.670 --> 00:01:29.650 audience or maybe to a small group. But it's 00:01:29.650 --> 00:01:34.030 using words more than attitude or more than your 00:01:34.030 --> 00:01:39.489 life. Right. Witnessing is living out of deep 00:01:39.489 --> 00:01:43.629 love from your life. So that's how I would say 00:01:43.629 --> 00:01:46.790 it. Yeah, so it's like more relational in some 00:01:46.790 --> 00:01:49.890 ways. Definitely. Yeah, yeah. Okay, okay. What 00:01:49.890 --> 00:01:53.150 would you add to that, Elizabeth? I would say 00:01:53.150 --> 00:01:57.730 the spiritual practice of witnessing is to bear 00:01:57.730 --> 00:02:02.349 witness to the truth of the gospel, helping to 00:02:02.349 --> 00:02:05.829 bring others to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ. 00:02:06.189 --> 00:02:10.629 It is understood that while... Believers are 00:02:10.629 --> 00:02:14.650 called to communicate the message. It is the 00:02:14.650 --> 00:02:18.370 Holy Spirit who actively converts the earth. 00:02:19.490 --> 00:02:25.830 Then on the other hand, evangelism actively explaining 00:02:25.830 --> 00:02:31.810 the biblical story of salvation to a friend or 00:02:31.810 --> 00:02:36.629 an individual leading a Bible study or preaching 00:02:36.629 --> 00:02:41.599 the gospel message. in a structured way right 00:02:41.599 --> 00:02:45.840 so then like evangelism can kind of be like a 00:02:45.840 --> 00:02:49.479 subset of witnessing sometimes like sometimes 00:02:49.479 --> 00:02:51.639 we use these words interchangeably but they are 00:02:51.639 --> 00:02:54.780 focused a little bit differently And I think 00:02:54.780 --> 00:02:56.719 I really appreciate the point that you made about, 00:02:56.759 --> 00:02:59.360 like, relying on the Holy Spirit. Sometimes I 00:02:59.360 --> 00:03:01.699 think we think, oh, when I'm witnessing or when 00:03:01.699 --> 00:03:03.979 I'm sharing my faith with someone, it's my job 00:03:03.979 --> 00:03:06.639 to, like, convince them, right? And that's not 00:03:06.639 --> 00:03:08.919 our job, right? We have to depend on the Holy 00:03:08.919 --> 00:03:12.560 Spirit to lead. We do the part that we can do, 00:03:12.680 --> 00:03:16.599 and we leave the rest up to God. Yeah. What would 00:03:16.599 --> 00:03:19.219 you sort of add to that, Amalvel? I would sort 00:03:19.219 --> 00:03:22.319 of look at it almost like witnessing as in, like, 00:03:23.370 --> 00:03:26.330 even from like a like a justice standpoint like 00:03:26.330 --> 00:03:30.629 in the sense of can other people recognize you 00:03:30.629 --> 00:03:33.509 as christian in your life you know even if they're 00:03:33.509 --> 00:03:36.110 not christian themselves can they recognize you 00:03:36.110 --> 00:03:39.150 as christian through your words your actions 00:03:39.150 --> 00:03:42.430 how you live your life can you look at somebody 00:03:42.430 --> 00:03:45.289 and say there goes a christian person right okay 00:03:45.289 --> 00:03:49.030 yeah yeah just that ability to so then it doesn't 00:03:49.030 --> 00:03:51.469 even need to be necessarily about the things 00:03:51.469 --> 00:03:54.860 that we say It can be, but it's about living 00:03:54.860 --> 00:03:57.879 with integrity and living like Jesus. Yeah, exactly. 00:03:57.919 --> 00:04:00.439 In all of the places that we live our lives, 00:04:00.479 --> 00:04:05.379 at work, at school. Because we can say that we're 00:04:05.379 --> 00:04:08.020 Christian and then be the complete opposite of 00:04:08.020 --> 00:04:11.439 it. Sure. That's why Jesus says in the Sermon 00:04:11.439 --> 00:04:14.030 on the Mount, you know. That many will say, Lord, 00:04:14.150 --> 00:04:17.810 Lord, and say that they did things in his name. 00:04:17.930 --> 00:04:20.490 Right. You know, but Jesus will say to some, 00:04:20.649 --> 00:04:23.329 depart from me, I never knew you. Right. So witnessing 00:04:23.329 --> 00:04:29.269 is making sure that you're living while respecting 00:04:29.269 --> 00:04:32.490 and honoring Jesus. Right. You're living a life 00:04:32.490 --> 00:04:34.550 where Jesus can say, you know, you did well. 00:04:34.810 --> 00:04:39.079 Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm. Okay, so that gives us a sort 00:04:39.079 --> 00:04:43.680 of conceptual idea of what witnessing is. Can 00:04:43.680 --> 00:04:45.600 we make that a little more practical? Like, what 00:04:45.600 --> 00:04:48.379 does witnessing look like? What does it look 00:04:48.379 --> 00:04:51.759 like to sort of share your faith with other people? 00:04:51.819 --> 00:04:55.560 What are ways that we might do that? Well, I 00:04:55.560 --> 00:05:00.860 think Jesus gave us the first clue, if you want. 00:05:00.959 --> 00:05:06.660 He said, love one another. And that's how they'll 00:05:06.660 --> 00:05:10.500 know that you're Christians. And so the various 00:05:10.500 --> 00:05:15.139 forms of love that we can extend to people. If 00:05:15.139 --> 00:05:21.579 someone is struggling, you give them a call or 00:05:21.579 --> 00:05:25.399 you take them out to lunch. Or one of the most 00:05:25.399 --> 00:05:28.819 powerful ways, I think, of loving someone is 00:05:28.819 --> 00:05:32.379 to deeply listen to them. And that's easier said 00:05:32.379 --> 00:05:34.600 than done, because when you deeply listen to 00:05:34.600 --> 00:05:38.480 someone, it means that you suspend your own agenda, 00:05:38.660 --> 00:05:41.800 you suspend your own noise in your head. And 00:05:41.800 --> 00:05:46.199 for that very moment, the person that's sitting 00:05:46.199 --> 00:05:49.040 in front of you is the most important person 00:05:49.040 --> 00:05:51.879 in the world. That's kind of deep listening. 00:05:52.000 --> 00:05:57.839 And that's a real example, I think, of the kind 00:05:57.839 --> 00:06:00.759 of love that Jesus was talking about. And that's 00:06:00.759 --> 00:06:04.680 that to me is is powerful witnessing. And I think 00:06:04.680 --> 00:06:07.540 that's a really important part of it that we 00:06:07.540 --> 00:06:09.699 don't often think about. Like often when we think 00:06:09.699 --> 00:06:11.420 about witnessing or sharing our faith, we think, 00:06:11.459 --> 00:06:13.560 oh, I need to be saying things. I need to be 00:06:13.560 --> 00:06:17.319 doing things. But actually, the practice of just 00:06:17.319 --> 00:06:20.699 listening to another person's story and being 00:06:20.699 --> 00:06:23.079 able to reflect that back to them and being able 00:06:23.079 --> 00:06:25.259 to say, yeah, you know what? That was really 00:06:25.259 --> 00:06:27.379 hard. Yeah. You know what? Like, I want to walk 00:06:27.379 --> 00:06:30.480 with you through that. Like that is. sharing 00:06:30.480 --> 00:06:33.839 our faith in really meaningful ways. Yeah. Yeah. 00:06:34.399 --> 00:06:37.279 What else does it maybe look like to sort of 00:06:37.279 --> 00:06:40.600 share our faith with other people? Some of the 00:06:40.600 --> 00:06:43.920 ways that the individual witness and share their 00:06:43.920 --> 00:06:47.139 faith is through a combination of lifestyle. 00:06:48.300 --> 00:06:51.779 Example, have personal testimony and direct father 00:06:51.779 --> 00:06:56.839 invitation. Common method include act of kindness. 00:06:57.639 --> 00:07:01.420 praying for others, sharing personal testimony 00:07:01.420 --> 00:07:05.639 of God's impact in their lives, inviting the 00:07:05.639 --> 00:07:10.000 individuals to church events, and engaging in 00:07:10.000 --> 00:07:15.339 a respective conversation about the faith. Right, 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:18.720 yeah, yeah. So it is... Some of that acts of 00:07:18.720 --> 00:07:20.579 kindness, that listening, like you just said, 00:07:20.639 --> 00:07:22.720 it's, yeah, inviting folks to church, whether 00:07:22.720 --> 00:07:25.240 it's Sunday morning church or to, you know, a 00:07:25.240 --> 00:07:27.639 dinner that's happening or the Easter egg hunt 00:07:27.639 --> 00:07:29.680 that we did yesterday. Just inviting people to 00:07:29.680 --> 00:07:32.439 come along with you and sort of experience the 00:07:32.439 --> 00:07:36.899 love of Jesus. Yeah. And then I think there is 00:07:36.899 --> 00:07:40.300 a part of witnessing, a part of sharing our faith 00:07:40.300 --> 00:07:43.240 that does involve sometimes saying words. And 00:07:43.240 --> 00:07:45.279 that's the part I think that's really hard for 00:07:45.279 --> 00:07:51.490 people. Um, but yeah, I think it is an important 00:07:51.490 --> 00:07:56.129 part that like, you know, often I think when 00:07:56.129 --> 00:07:57.949 we tell, when we talk about like sharing your 00:07:57.949 --> 00:08:00.589 faith, we're like, oh yeah, just live by example, 00:08:00.730 --> 00:08:03.329 like live, live the way that Jesus calls you 00:08:03.329 --> 00:08:05.790 to live. And other people will notice that. But 00:08:05.790 --> 00:08:08.790 then when other people notice that the Bible 00:08:08.790 --> 00:08:10.970 instructs us, be ready to sort of give an answer. 00:08:11.319 --> 00:08:14.060 right when people notice hey amava why are you 00:08:14.060 --> 00:08:16.600 like this right to be able to say well actually 00:08:16.600 --> 00:08:19.540 i'm like this because i believe this thing because 00:08:19.540 --> 00:08:23.220 jesus has asked me to live this way right right 00:08:23.220 --> 00:08:27.199 yeah and not doing it in a super pushy way but 00:08:27.199 --> 00:08:30.439 just in a like this is where i'm coming from 00:08:30.439 --> 00:08:32.960 kind of way yeah i mean we should be able to 00:08:32.960 --> 00:08:36.840 you know like go to church do what we gotta do 00:08:36.840 --> 00:08:40.840 and if people are curious genuinely curious and 00:08:40.840 --> 00:08:43.379 not trying to be trolling not trying to you know 00:08:43.379 --> 00:08:45.539 push buttons or whatever you know if they're 00:08:45.539 --> 00:08:48.720 actually curious yeah invite them along you know 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:52.860 be like listen I go to 1115 service you're welcome 00:08:52.860 --> 00:08:55.919 to come if you want I'm going either way sure 00:08:55.919 --> 00:08:59.639 you know yeah and just sort of let them let them 00:08:59.639 --> 00:09:01.980 come on their own you know I mean I think one 00:09:01.980 --> 00:09:05.740 thing that that turns people away from religion 00:09:05.740 --> 00:09:08.559 is when it's sort of like you're going because 00:09:08.559 --> 00:09:11.659 you're you're kind of forced to you know i mean 00:09:11.659 --> 00:09:15.580 yes as a as a kid you kind of have to be of course 00:09:15.580 --> 00:09:18.220 but sure you know but when you're an adult i 00:09:18.220 --> 00:09:20.820 mean that's when you you know you should be going 00:09:20.820 --> 00:09:25.139 because you actually want to sure and so if people 00:09:25.139 --> 00:09:27.419 are curious about the faith or feel like they 00:09:27.419 --> 00:09:32.070 have a calling to go allow them to go with you 00:09:32.070 --> 00:09:34.990 which can be tough because sometimes you look 00:09:34.990 --> 00:09:37.470 at them and you're like you've done a lot of 00:09:37.470 --> 00:09:39.789 damage already you know you've done you know 00:09:39.789 --> 00:09:42.889 you whether it's mocking or whether it's not 00:09:42.889 --> 00:09:46.769 believing or it's just you know how they act 00:09:46.769 --> 00:09:49.629 or so and maybe they're not your favorite person 00:09:49.629 --> 00:09:52.509 but then you're to deal with but at the end of 00:09:52.509 --> 00:09:55.909 the day If you're helping to save a soul, that 00:09:55.909 --> 00:09:57.990 that should count for something. Sure. Yeah. 00:09:58.230 --> 00:10:01.870 Yeah. And I think that that being willing to 00:10:01.870 --> 00:10:05.230 bring someone along with you to church or to 00:10:05.230 --> 00:10:07.649 whatever it is, is, I think, super important. 00:10:07.710 --> 00:10:09.649 Like sometimes we'll just say, you know, we'll 00:10:09.649 --> 00:10:11.330 give somebody this invitation, be like, hey, 00:10:11.370 --> 00:10:14.850 go to church. Right. And that's fine. Maybe that 00:10:14.850 --> 00:10:17.129 works. But actually, I think what works better 00:10:17.129 --> 00:10:20.399 is to say, hey, come with me to church. Or like, 00:10:20.480 --> 00:10:22.179 hey, I'll pick you up. Or like, hey, I'll meet 00:10:22.179 --> 00:10:24.659 you at the door. We'll sit together through the 00:10:24.659 --> 00:10:26.899 service. Or if you'd like to go, let me know. 00:10:27.039 --> 00:10:31.279 Yeah, or whatever. It has to be willingness. 00:10:32.720 --> 00:10:37.600 Because there was a song that said, I was glad 00:10:37.600 --> 00:10:41.159 when they said unto me, let us go into the house 00:10:41.159 --> 00:10:45.700 of the Lord. So it has to come from the heart, 00:10:45.759 --> 00:10:49.840 not just... pushing or forcing the individual 00:10:49.840 --> 00:10:56.419 to the church service. I mean, God gave us all 00:10:56.419 --> 00:11:00.240 free will. So, I mean, this is free will in action, 00:11:00.399 --> 00:11:03.080 you know, to go to church. Nobody should be forcing 00:11:03.080 --> 00:11:06.080 you. You should just go because you want to, 00:11:06.100 --> 00:11:07.639 because you're curious, because you're compelled. 00:11:07.919 --> 00:11:10.620 Yeah. And that, you know, just like you have 00:11:10.620 --> 00:11:12.620 the free will to say no every time to church 00:11:12.620 --> 00:11:16.399 if you want to. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think 00:11:16.399 --> 00:11:20.340 it's, as we said earlier, witnessing is relational. 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:26.340 And so before we use words, and words are very 00:11:26.340 --> 00:11:30.340 appropriate at the right time, I think we have 00:11:30.340 --> 00:11:33.519 to ensure that we have the person's confidence. 00:11:33.659 --> 00:11:38.840 Sure. uh permission because jesus never violated 00:11:38.840 --> 00:11:42.200 the integrity of anyone you always respect people's 00:11:42.200 --> 00:11:44.120 integrity and that's i think what we need to 00:11:44.120 --> 00:11:46.600 do as christians when i was a new christian i 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:48.480 didn't know i didn't know i didn't know that 00:11:48.480 --> 00:11:51.779 and i didn't do it i i was i i went out and i 00:11:51.779 --> 00:11:55.039 wanted to convert everybody overnight sure sure 00:11:55.039 --> 00:11:57.019 somebody said you know what you should do with 00:11:57.019 --> 00:11:58.960 new christians is lock them up for six months 00:12:00.079 --> 00:12:02.720 They're too passionate. They're too passionate 00:12:02.720 --> 00:12:06.600 about it. But once you have the relationship 00:12:06.600 --> 00:12:10.019 and you have the person's permission, then you 00:12:10.019 --> 00:12:13.740 can say, listen, this is what the Christian walk 00:12:13.740 --> 00:12:16.259 has meant for me. This is what Jesus has meant 00:12:16.259 --> 00:12:20.379 for me. And here's what it's done for me. And 00:12:20.379 --> 00:12:24.559 offer it to them. And then it's their choice. 00:12:24.580 --> 00:12:27.740 It's their free will, as you were saying. Yeah. 00:12:27.799 --> 00:12:30.039 And I think what you were just saying there, 00:12:30.220 --> 00:12:34.279 Hugh, about, you know, really sharing your perspective 00:12:34.279 --> 00:12:37.759 and your story. I think that's a really important 00:12:37.759 --> 00:12:41.659 part of witnessing that we also sometimes neglect 00:12:41.659 --> 00:12:43.399 to sort of think about. We think like, oh, if 00:12:43.399 --> 00:12:45.100 I'm going to share my faith with other people, 00:12:45.159 --> 00:12:47.580 I need to like have all the Bible verses lined 00:12:47.580 --> 00:12:49.580 up. I need to have all the right arguments. I 00:12:49.580 --> 00:12:51.899 need to be able to answer all of the really hard 00:12:51.899 --> 00:12:55.860 questions. But that's not. what a witness does. 00:12:55.960 --> 00:12:58.259 Like if you think about a witness in a courtroom, 00:12:58.539 --> 00:13:01.919 the witness's job is to say, here's what I saw. 00:13:02.019 --> 00:13:04.279 Here's what I heard. Here's what my experience 00:13:04.279 --> 00:13:07.240 of things has been. Right. You don't need to 00:13:07.240 --> 00:13:09.620 rebuttal all of the arguments. You don't need 00:13:09.620 --> 00:13:13.779 to have all the answers. No. And we think, I 00:13:13.779 --> 00:13:16.419 think we need to be more comfortable with saying, 00:13:16.500 --> 00:13:19.259 I don't know. Right. When someone comes at you 00:13:19.259 --> 00:13:21.500 and they're like, ah, there's this thing that 00:13:21.500 --> 00:13:25.500 I'm like really sort of on a, rant about or when 00:13:25.500 --> 00:13:27.179 they're like oh here's a really hard question 00:13:27.179 --> 00:13:28.960 that you just won't be able to answer for me 00:13:28.960 --> 00:13:33.860 be like yeah no i don't know but i believe anyway 00:13:33.860 --> 00:13:37.460 yeah right and here's what my experience of god 00:13:37.460 --> 00:13:40.360 has been even if i don't know the answer to that 00:13:40.360 --> 00:13:43.480 specific thing right like just giving ourselves 00:13:43.480 --> 00:13:46.600 that freedom and love is the key you know once 00:13:46.600 --> 00:13:49.980 you've had the the privilege and the honor of 00:13:49.980 --> 00:13:54.059 of walking with someone in love And then they 00:13:54.059 --> 00:13:59.799 will be more open. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. So there's 00:13:59.799 --> 00:14:02.299 this piece around sort of hard questions and 00:14:02.299 --> 00:14:04.159 not knowing what to say. Are there any other 00:14:04.159 --> 00:14:07.259 challenges or things that you think keep people 00:14:07.259 --> 00:14:09.759 from wanting to share their faith with others? 00:14:10.080 --> 00:14:14.159 Yeah, I would say the fact is that you don't 00:14:14.159 --> 00:14:17.379 know how they're going to react to you being 00:14:17.379 --> 00:14:21.269 Christian. especially if they're coming from 00:14:21.269 --> 00:14:23.950 another faith you know there's a wide variety 00:14:23.950 --> 00:14:29.269 of reactions from sure from anger or violence 00:14:29.269 --> 00:14:35.669 to apathy to mocking to to people being like 00:14:35.669 --> 00:14:38.669 oh that's great for you right you know right 00:14:38.669 --> 00:14:41.690 yeah that's great for you but i'm never gonna 00:14:41.690 --> 00:14:43.350 do that or whatever you know what i mean i'm 00:14:43.350 --> 00:14:45.070 never gonna be christian you know or whatever 00:14:45.070 --> 00:14:48.399 you know so you don't know how you're How are 00:14:48.399 --> 00:14:50.580 you going to react? But, you know, and especially, 00:14:50.860 --> 00:14:54.559 I mean, fortunately, most people, at least in 00:14:54.559 --> 00:14:57.159 the Western world, are at least somewhat civilized 00:14:57.159 --> 00:14:59.980 that you can, you know, we're not fortunately 00:14:59.980 --> 00:15:02.480 at the point where Christianity is persecuted 00:15:02.480 --> 00:15:06.080 like in other places. But, you know, it is sort 00:15:06.080 --> 00:15:10.559 of it can be tough because, you know, because 00:15:10.559 --> 00:15:13.210 you've got to be prepared that. People are not 00:15:13.210 --> 00:15:15.429 going to like the fact that you're Christian. 00:15:15.570 --> 00:15:18.149 Sure. Or even worse, they're just not going to 00:15:18.149 --> 00:15:20.490 care. Sure. You know, they're not going to see 00:15:20.490 --> 00:15:23.389 it as a great thing or, you know, it's just like, 00:15:23.450 --> 00:15:25.730 oh, whatever, you know. Right. Yeah. So there's 00:15:25.730 --> 00:15:28.269 often that fear of like, OK, how are other people 00:15:28.269 --> 00:15:31.490 going to react to this? Right. Yeah. Yeah. That's 00:15:31.490 --> 00:15:33.830 a big barrier for sure. What about other things, 00:15:33.850 --> 00:15:38.009 other challenges that sometimes come up? The 00:15:38.009 --> 00:15:42.440 challenging part of. about witnessing is sharing 00:15:42.440 --> 00:15:47.039 my faith or the gospel with others. Some individuals 00:15:47.039 --> 00:15:53.200 will try to intimidate or start arguments. So 00:15:53.200 --> 00:15:58.659 before you do that, you should pray within yourself 00:15:58.659 --> 00:16:03.080 for the Holy Spirit to intervene and direct what 00:16:03.080 --> 00:16:08.080 you're going to say. Then overcoming the challenges 00:16:08.080 --> 00:16:12.360 often require shifting the focus from pressure 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:18.100 of converting someone to simply being a faithful 00:16:18.100 --> 00:16:23.000 witness by relying on the Holy Spirit to guide 00:16:23.000 --> 00:16:28.460 the conversation and focusing on loving others. 00:16:29.139 --> 00:16:34.350 So that would be your main focus. You know, address 00:16:34.350 --> 00:16:39.070 them in a proper way and, you know, present what 00:16:39.070 --> 00:16:43.769 you're going to say to them in a simple format, 00:16:43.850 --> 00:16:48.029 not too grammatic. Or maybe, you know, because 00:16:48.029 --> 00:16:52.590 some people, they will say, lower your, the way 00:16:52.590 --> 00:16:55.970 you talk, you know, because they are still baby 00:16:55.970 --> 00:16:59.889 Christians, so we should approach them in a normal. 00:17:00.490 --> 00:17:04.950 way yeah yeah yeah and i think that like one 00:17:04.950 --> 00:17:06.930 of the things that you said was like yeah that 00:17:06.930 --> 00:17:10.569 the pressure is not to convert people the pressure 00:17:10.569 --> 00:17:12.930 is to do the part that you can do and if you're 00:17:12.930 --> 00:17:15.990 one part of planting a seed if you're one part 00:17:15.990 --> 00:17:18.769 of watering whatever sort of stage you are in 00:17:18.769 --> 00:17:21.670 that right like i just think about like friends 00:17:21.670 --> 00:17:25.309 that i had in high school specifically that like, 00:17:25.390 --> 00:17:27.589 you know, would talk to them about faith things 00:17:27.589 --> 00:17:29.630 from time to time, but like never really saw 00:17:29.630 --> 00:17:32.890 anything come of it. And then it was years later 00:17:32.890 --> 00:17:35.109 when I was like, oh, this person is like now 00:17:35.109 --> 00:17:38.190 attending church and like following Jesus. And 00:17:38.190 --> 00:17:41.269 I had nothing to do with the final moment where 00:17:41.269 --> 00:17:44.140 that happened. right with where like the switch 00:17:44.140 --> 00:17:46.480 was flipped but like maybe something that i said 00:17:46.480 --> 00:17:50.259 along the way you contributed to the journey 00:17:50.259 --> 00:17:53.880 in some way yeah yeah i think one of the challenges 00:17:53.880 --> 00:17:58.589 too is to to understand from our own journey 00:17:58.589 --> 00:18:02.109 how delicate we are and how delicate everyone 00:18:02.109 --> 00:18:06.750 is. Everyone really needs to be affirmed. Someone 00:18:06.750 --> 00:18:10.569 said to me one time, speak ill of no one, but 00:18:10.569 --> 00:18:14.529 speak the good you know about everyone. So when 00:18:14.529 --> 00:18:19.089 you're sitting in front of a person, you say, 00:18:19.230 --> 00:18:21.630 well, what is it in their life that they need 00:18:21.630 --> 00:18:25.420 to be affirmed on? Because we all need it. And 00:18:25.420 --> 00:18:30.619 there's a beautiful book and video, actually, 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:34.380 of Desmond Tutu and his relationship with the 00:18:34.380 --> 00:18:37.819 Dalai Lama. Two different fates, but a beautiful 00:18:37.819 --> 00:18:41.740 love coming together. And, you know, the real 00:18:41.740 --> 00:18:49.809 key to... various faiths, various religions, 00:18:49.930 --> 00:18:52.630 is to really deeply listen to each other and 00:18:52.630 --> 00:18:55.589 learn from each other and affirm what is good 00:18:55.589 --> 00:18:59.450 in each tradition. Because there are some good 00:18:59.450 --> 00:19:02.950 things in every tradition. We have the truth 00:19:02.950 --> 00:19:05.549 as Christians, but maybe not a monopoly on it. 00:19:06.369 --> 00:19:10.789 And so sometimes that's a challenge because we 00:19:10.789 --> 00:19:13.829 know... we you know in our mind you know we're 00:19:13.829 --> 00:19:15.509 going to convert everybody everybody should be 00:19:15.509 --> 00:19:18.890 a christian by tomorrow but but but no you know 00:19:18.890 --> 00:19:22.269 jesus walked with people we're called we're called 00:19:22.269 --> 00:19:24.890 to walk but more more important i think we're 00:19:24.890 --> 00:19:27.809 called to to a deep love and a deep listening 00:19:27.809 --> 00:19:30.829 and i think that's one of the things that really 00:19:30.829 --> 00:19:38.230 uh that that really got me to um to want to be 00:19:38.230 --> 00:19:41.720 christian is the fact that You know, like coming 00:19:41.720 --> 00:19:44.799 from Islam, the idea is that everyone's supposed 00:19:44.799 --> 00:19:48.460 to be Muslim or, you know, right. With Christianity, 00:19:48.539 --> 00:19:50.900 we just want the good word to be spread. That's 00:19:50.900 --> 00:19:54.480 it. That's it. You know, we just want the good 00:19:54.480 --> 00:19:57.299 word to be spread and heard. And then you do 00:19:57.299 --> 00:19:59.819 what you do. You do whatever you want. You know, 00:19:59.819 --> 00:20:03.119 if you want to read the Bible, go to church, 00:20:03.200 --> 00:20:06.400 follow Christ. Amen. You know, but if you choose. 00:20:07.049 --> 00:20:09.990 But if you hear the good news and you still deny 00:20:09.990 --> 00:20:13.569 Christ, at least, you know, well, that's, that's 00:20:13.569 --> 00:20:16.029 your choice. You know, you make that choice, 00:20:16.150 --> 00:20:20.109 you know, and you know, it's, you know, what 00:20:20.109 --> 00:20:23.710 happens in the, in the, after you die is determined 00:20:23.710 --> 00:20:26.769 by what you do in this life. So if you choose 00:20:26.769 --> 00:20:29.990 to deny in this life after hearing the good word, 00:20:30.049 --> 00:20:33.450 well, then, you know, you made that choice, but 00:20:33.450 --> 00:20:37.009 if you choose to follow Christ, You know, especially 00:20:37.009 --> 00:20:39.549 if you're coming from a different faith and you 00:20:39.549 --> 00:20:42.150 say, no, Jesus is the truth, the way and the 00:20:42.150 --> 00:20:45.829 life. And I believe in him, you know, then, you 00:20:45.829 --> 00:20:48.890 know, that that's the power of free will. And 00:20:48.890 --> 00:20:51.549 that's the power of the good word, you know? 00:20:51.829 --> 00:20:54.930 Yeah. Yeah. Our job is really just to be faithful 00:20:54.930 --> 00:20:58.750 to Christ. And it takes time. Sure. It's a process. 00:20:58.990 --> 00:21:02.809 And realizing that, you know, God is beyond, 00:21:02.890 --> 00:21:06.039 it's beyond time. So he's not too concerned about 00:21:06.039 --> 00:21:07.960 time. He has all the time in the world. We're 00:21:07.960 --> 00:21:11.380 concerned about time. You know, C .S. Lewis used 00:21:11.380 --> 00:21:15.619 to say I was the greatest skeptic in all of England. 00:21:16.400 --> 00:21:19.700 So it took him time and it was a process for 00:21:19.700 --> 00:21:24.440 him to come to Jesus. And for him it was more 00:21:24.440 --> 00:21:27.359 of an intellectual process. And for some people 00:21:27.359 --> 00:21:30.700 it's an emotional process. Or some people it's 00:21:30.700 --> 00:21:35.829 a spiritual process. But sometimes It takes the 00:21:35.829 --> 00:21:40.309 intellectual, emotional, spiritual work. And 00:21:40.309 --> 00:21:46.289 that takes time. Yeah. So we've talked about 00:21:46.289 --> 00:21:49.710 what makes it hard to witness or to share our 00:21:49.710 --> 00:21:52.589 faith with other people. But then on the flip 00:21:52.589 --> 00:21:54.730 side, are there things that make it joyful or 00:21:54.730 --> 00:21:56.809 that make it feel really meaningful? Like, why 00:21:56.809 --> 00:22:01.509 do we do this, even though it's hard? I think 00:22:01.509 --> 00:22:04.940 part of it is, Part of the joy is just seeing 00:22:04.940 --> 00:22:09.660 how there's many ways that people can come to 00:22:09.660 --> 00:22:12.200 Christ. It's not just one way, you know. For 00:22:12.200 --> 00:22:15.740 some, it's reading a verse in the Bible that 00:22:15.740 --> 00:22:18.420 confirms what they've believed all along. For 00:22:18.420 --> 00:22:21.720 others, it's getting to a low point and a dark 00:22:21.720 --> 00:22:25.299 point in their life. For others, you know, their 00:22:25.299 --> 00:22:27.920 journey is, well, my parents are Christian. My 00:22:27.920 --> 00:22:29.660 grandparents are Christian. I lived in a Christian 00:22:29.660 --> 00:22:32.210 household. That's the only way. And praise them 00:22:32.210 --> 00:22:35.430 for that, you know? So it really, we all have 00:22:35.430 --> 00:22:36.950 our different story. We all have a different 00:22:36.950 --> 00:22:41.190 reason why, like how we came to Christ. So it's 00:22:41.190 --> 00:22:44.930 nice to know because it's, at least for me, I 00:22:44.930 --> 00:22:47.990 find it easy, especially with most of my family 00:22:47.990 --> 00:22:51.849 not being Christian. It's easy to give up hope. 00:22:51.970 --> 00:22:53.750 Sure. It's easy to be like, you know what, they're 00:22:53.750 --> 00:22:56.650 all lost causes, right? But then again, I was 00:22:56.650 --> 00:22:58.910 a lost cause until 36 when I came to Christ. 00:22:58.990 --> 00:23:02.039 So, you know. Everybody has their own journey 00:23:02.039 --> 00:23:05.220 and maybe for most of them, they will never turn 00:23:05.220 --> 00:23:08.960 to Christ. Sure. But you know what? It's again, 00:23:09.059 --> 00:23:11.299 it's it's everybody's choice. And, you know, 00:23:11.319 --> 00:23:15.720 you just have to, you know, you just have to 00:23:15.720 --> 00:23:18.859 understand that, you know, if people come to 00:23:18.859 --> 00:23:21.440 Christ, it may not be, you know, at the time 00:23:21.440 --> 00:23:24.980 you think it is. And you just have to now that 00:23:24.980 --> 00:23:26.700 you're Christian, you have to focus on making 00:23:26.700 --> 00:23:30.759 sure that. you're still on the right path and 00:23:30.759 --> 00:23:34.160 that you're still following Christ. And our responsibility 00:23:34.160 --> 00:23:41.700 is to walk with them in love and then to share 00:23:41.700 --> 00:23:46.339 the words, if appropriate. But it's not our responsibility 00:23:46.339 --> 00:23:49.940 to pull them in. That's the Holy Spirit's responsibility. 00:23:50.380 --> 00:23:52.920 I love what Jimmy Carter used to say. There are 00:23:52.920 --> 00:23:56.059 two loves in the world, one for God and one for 00:23:56.059 --> 00:23:58.799 the person. happening to stand that happens to 00:23:58.799 --> 00:24:01.319 be standing in front of you and i i really like 00:24:01.319 --> 00:24:05.160 that you know so our responsibility is to love 00:24:05.160 --> 00:24:08.079 it's not to convert yeah that's jesus's responsibility 00:24:08.079 --> 00:24:12.119 that's god's responsibility yeah yeah yeah and 00:24:12.119 --> 00:24:13.680 i think the piece that you were saying a novel 00:24:13.680 --> 00:24:16.099 about like all of these different stories i think 00:24:16.099 --> 00:24:19.880 the joy for me in that is that like as I hear 00:24:19.880 --> 00:24:21.960 different people's stories and different ways 00:24:21.960 --> 00:24:24.200 that they have come to understand God, different 00:24:24.200 --> 00:24:26.500 ways they've come to experience God, like I actually 00:24:26.500 --> 00:24:29.839 get to learn more about who God is as well and 00:24:29.839 --> 00:24:33.839 how God works in the world, right? Like God works 00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:36.880 through our family history. God works through 00:24:36.880 --> 00:24:40.000 scripture. God works through intellect. God works 00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:42.460 through creation. Like all of these things are 00:24:42.460 --> 00:24:44.160 ways that people come to know and experience 00:24:44.160 --> 00:24:47.539 the love of Christ. And it's so cool to get to 00:24:47.539 --> 00:24:49.660 like see that. And, like, hear that from people, 00:24:49.779 --> 00:24:55.140 I think. Yeah. Yeah. The joy for me is just sharing 00:24:55.140 --> 00:24:59.220 with people my journey, you know. Yeah. The grace 00:24:59.220 --> 00:25:03.559 of God in my life, you know. Yeah. I could have 00:25:03.559 --> 00:25:07.140 gone through so many ways, you know. I remember 00:25:07.140 --> 00:25:10.059 at one point in my career, early in my career, 00:25:10.200 --> 00:25:13.339 I was the chief psychiatric social worker in 00:25:13.339 --> 00:25:16.819 the Kingston Penitentiary. Okay. And I remember. 00:25:18.379 --> 00:25:20.400 interviewing an inmate one time, and he said 00:25:20.400 --> 00:25:23.859 to me, you know, Hugh, given different circumstances, 00:25:24.339 --> 00:25:27.539 you could be behind bars and I could be where 00:25:27.539 --> 00:25:30.720 you are. Absolutely. And he was absolutely right. 00:25:30.900 --> 00:25:36.319 And for the grace of God, why? And I could have 00:25:36.319 --> 00:25:40.339 been there. Sure. And if I had been there, I'm 00:25:40.339 --> 00:25:42.319 sure that God would have met me there. Sure. 00:25:42.380 --> 00:25:45.759 As I experienced in my time there, that where 00:25:45.759 --> 00:25:49.960 God was very present there. Yeah. But, yeah, 00:25:50.059 --> 00:25:53.160 so the joy for me is to say, oh, my gosh, look 00:25:53.160 --> 00:25:57.599 at me. I'm a broken human being. And God has 00:25:57.599 --> 00:26:00.440 poured his grace on me throughout my life. And 00:26:00.440 --> 00:26:03.819 I can give examples of that. And I just share 00:26:03.819 --> 00:26:07.619 that with people. And that's joyful. Yeah. For 00:26:07.619 --> 00:26:12.099 sure. The joyful part of witnessing is that it 00:26:12.099 --> 00:26:16.440 makes me feel good within me because it's a privilege 00:26:16.440 --> 00:26:22.000 to witness to other people. And it's a great 00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:26.740 rewarding for the kingdom of God, bringing the 00:26:26.740 --> 00:26:34.859 vulnerable individual to Christ. During my routine 00:26:34.859 --> 00:26:38.819 rounds at the hospital doing spiritual care, 00:26:39.099 --> 00:26:43.480 most patients, they call me sunshine, you know, 00:26:43.480 --> 00:26:47.279 because they said I bring something good to them, 00:26:47.339 --> 00:26:51.180 you know. Not merely talking about the Bible, 00:26:51.299 --> 00:26:55.019 but the way I approach the individuals, you know, 00:26:55.019 --> 00:26:58.880 because some of the patients, they don't have 00:26:58.880 --> 00:27:03.039 family to visit them. And, you know, They are 00:27:03.039 --> 00:27:06.619 just lying there, so they need somebody to uplift 00:27:06.619 --> 00:27:13.980 them. So I always do the best I can to actively 00:27:13.980 --> 00:27:18.319 listen to their story, you know. Because a lot 00:27:18.319 --> 00:27:21.799 of things are happening around the world that 00:27:21.799 --> 00:27:27.380 a lot of stress contributes to a lot of sicknesses 00:27:27.380 --> 00:27:34.349 that people encounter in life. I thank God for 00:27:34.349 --> 00:27:38.750 my life to be part of the instrument that God 00:27:38.750 --> 00:27:44.150 is using for people, you know, to encourage and 00:27:44.150 --> 00:27:48.440 uplift them. Yeah. Yeah. So just like it. It's 00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:50.579 encouraging to us as we get to encourage other 00:27:50.579 --> 00:27:53.819 people and walk with them. Yeah, for sure. So 00:27:53.819 --> 00:27:56.740 I think I want us to end on a sort of practical, 00:27:56.839 --> 00:27:59.119 like, what do we do with all of this? What are 00:27:59.119 --> 00:28:00.980 some tips? What's some encouragement that we 00:28:00.980 --> 00:28:03.119 might offer to people who are feeling like, you 00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:06.009 know what? That sounds okay. That still sounds 00:28:06.009 --> 00:28:08.410 scary, though. Like, what do I do with this? 00:28:08.450 --> 00:28:10.309 So I think the first thing that comes to mind 00:28:10.309 --> 00:28:12.509 for me is we talked about in the challenges how 00:28:12.509 --> 00:28:14.750 we don't know how other people are going to react. 00:28:14.849 --> 00:28:17.970 And sometimes it might be with aggression or 00:28:17.970 --> 00:28:20.190 with indifference or whatever. And I think that 00:28:20.190 --> 00:28:24.529 that's definitely true. I think we need to be 00:28:24.529 --> 00:28:26.849 careful not to like over inflate that, though. 00:28:26.910 --> 00:28:29.130 Like, I think we need to be able to say, yeah, 00:28:29.190 --> 00:28:33.210 some people will react that way. But. In my experience, 00:28:33.410 --> 00:28:36.210 and maybe my experience is just particular, but 00:28:36.210 --> 00:28:39.029 like in my experience, most people aren't aggressive 00:28:39.029 --> 00:28:42.869 about it. Right. They're maybe not enthusiastic 00:28:42.869 --> 00:28:45.730 about it. They're not like, oh, wow, tell me 00:28:45.730 --> 00:28:50.029 more. But they're not going to be like grumpy 00:28:50.029 --> 00:28:53.450 about it. Yeah. And I think especially. if we 00:28:53.450 --> 00:28:55.809 start with relationship, like you was talking 00:28:55.809 --> 00:28:58.470 about, right? Like if, if we talk about faith 00:28:58.470 --> 00:29:01.869 in the context of building trust and of sharing 00:29:01.869 --> 00:29:03.829 love, if someone knows that we have their best 00:29:03.829 --> 00:29:07.029 interest in mind, rather than random stranger 00:29:07.029 --> 00:29:08.549 on the street, random stranger on the street 00:29:08.549 --> 00:29:11.170 might be grumpy about it because we just interrupted 00:29:11.170 --> 00:29:13.210 whatever they were doing. But if we're doing 00:29:13.210 --> 00:29:15.509 this from a context of relationship and love, 00:29:15.589 --> 00:29:18.720 then like, I think most people. are willing to 00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:21.380 hear us out even if they don't change their mind 00:29:21.380 --> 00:29:25.140 about it they're willing to sort of let us share 00:29:25.140 --> 00:29:27.500 so i think that relationship is really important 00:29:27.500 --> 00:29:31.920 and having some level of optimism i think we 00:29:31.920 --> 00:29:35.640 have to earn the right to do this yeah and we 00:29:35.640 --> 00:29:37.759 do that through building a relationship with 00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:42.079 them yeah yeah for sure so prayer is the key 00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:48.039 you know you pray and ask holy spirit to intervene 00:29:48.039 --> 00:29:53.299 and uh in what you're going to say and you have 00:29:53.299 --> 00:29:57.259 to be humble you know be like christ the way 00:29:57.259 --> 00:30:01.579 he was kind and compassionate towards others 00:30:01.579 --> 00:30:08.779 and um Not to be judgmental, you know. Sure, 00:30:08.779 --> 00:30:12.240 sure. And you set boundaries, you know. There 00:30:12.240 --> 00:30:15.940 is some rules that you have to follow. So don't 00:30:15.940 --> 00:30:20.220 be too pushy, pushy. Yeah. Yeah, it goes back 00:30:20.220 --> 00:30:22.119 to, again, what Hugh had said earlier about respecting 00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:24.660 each person's integrity, respecting their free 00:30:24.660 --> 00:30:28.480 will, not... driving the argument too hard. And 00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:30.559 yeah, I think prayer is a super important place 00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:33.559 to start praying for yourself, that God would 00:30:33.559 --> 00:30:36.119 give you the words, God would give you that sense 00:30:36.119 --> 00:30:38.420 of peace and confidence, but also praying for 00:30:38.420 --> 00:30:42.500 the other person. We're all, you know, every 00:30:42.500 --> 00:30:48.299 human being is searching, whether they are really 00:30:48.299 --> 00:30:51.799 fully recognizing that or not. You know what 00:30:51.799 --> 00:30:55.700 Pascal used to say, you know, In every human 00:30:55.700 --> 00:30:59.660 being, there's a God -shaped vacuum. And so everybody 00:30:59.660 --> 00:31:03.140 has a God -shaped vacuum. And our responsibility 00:31:03.140 --> 00:31:09.140 is to try to fill that vacuum. where they're 00:31:09.140 --> 00:31:12.539 at as human beings. We may just be pouring a 00:31:12.539 --> 00:31:15.380 cup and the other person will pour another cup 00:31:15.380 --> 00:31:20.019 and somebody might pour a gallon. But that rod 00:31:20.019 --> 00:31:23.579 -shaped vacuum will be filled, if not by us, 00:31:23.619 --> 00:31:29.839 by someone else. We're part of the process. For 00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:33.180 sure, for sure. Yeah, what would you add, Amavo? 00:31:33.299 --> 00:31:36.359 Any practical advice or encouragement? Yeah, 00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:39.769 I would say one, Be unapologetically Christian. 00:31:40.029 --> 00:31:43.829 Stand by your beliefs. Stand by what you, you 00:31:43.829 --> 00:31:46.970 know, stand by the word. And I think what the 00:31:46.970 --> 00:31:52.150 thing is to understand is it's okay if people 00:31:52.150 --> 00:31:54.970 don't accept that you're Christian. It's okay 00:31:54.970 --> 00:31:59.369 if people don't accept Christ. It's okay if they 00:31:59.369 --> 00:32:02.150 don't have a good reaction, you know. At the 00:32:02.150 --> 00:32:04.390 end of the day, God is always with us. Jesus 00:32:04.390 --> 00:32:07.329 is always with us. And always remember, we always 00:32:07.329 --> 00:32:10.529 have our community. Yeah. We always have, you 00:32:10.529 --> 00:32:12.250 know, even if you're the only Christian in the 00:32:12.250 --> 00:32:15.230 family. Yeah. It's like, you know, go to your 00:32:15.230 --> 00:32:19.750 life group. Go to church on Sunday. Meet up with 00:32:19.750 --> 00:32:23.890 fellow Christians. Keep each other in, you know, 00:32:23.930 --> 00:32:27.289 like help each other and support each other. 00:32:28.269 --> 00:32:30.690 Because even if your blood family don't have 00:32:30.690 --> 00:32:34.150 your back or they're not following Jesus, you 00:32:34.150 --> 00:32:36.849 know, we all have brothers and sisters in Christ. 00:32:37.130 --> 00:32:39.789 Yeah. Yeah. So lean on each other. Know that 00:32:39.789 --> 00:32:42.630 as we're sharing our faith, even if we're alone 00:32:42.630 --> 00:32:44.670 in that moment, we're not doing it alone. Right. 00:32:44.789 --> 00:32:47.890 We have people who have our back. We have that 00:32:47.890 --> 00:32:49.730 seed that we're planting that someone else will 00:32:49.730 --> 00:32:52.990 water. Yes. Right. Yeah. And everyone is created. 00:32:53.819 --> 00:32:56.460 Everybody's created in God's image. So whether 00:32:56.460 --> 00:32:58.279 they believe what you believe, they're still 00:32:58.279 --> 00:33:01.480 created in God's image. So our responsibility 00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:06.839 is to respond to the God in them. Yeah. I think 00:33:06.839 --> 00:33:08.500 you had a Bible verse you wanted to end this 00:33:08.500 --> 00:33:12.019 with. I just want to end with Acts 1 .8, which 00:33:12.019 --> 00:33:15.740 says, But you will receive power when the Holy 00:33:15.740 --> 00:33:19.700 Spirit comes on you. And you will be my witness 00:33:19.700 --> 00:33:25.759 in Jerusalem and in Judea and Samaria and to 00:33:25.759 --> 00:33:28.980 the ends of the earth. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. 00:33:29.059 --> 00:33:33.420 So that, that remember the reminder that it comes 00:33:33.420 --> 00:33:36.240 with God's power, that we don't do this work 00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:39.740 on our own. And that all of these spiritual practices 00:33:39.740 --> 00:33:41.680 that we've been talking about for the past number 00:33:41.680 --> 00:33:45.259 of weeks. Feed us in such a way that allow us 00:33:45.259 --> 00:33:47.180 to go out and share our faith with other people. 00:33:47.440 --> 00:33:49.680 Right. Like if you're not in prayer and scripture 00:33:49.680 --> 00:33:52.740 and community, and if you're not intentionally 00:33:52.740 --> 00:33:55.579 spending time with God, you're not going to be 00:33:55.579 --> 00:33:59.039 a good witness. Right. And so building our life 00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:02.289 first. Founded in Christ, founded in these, all 00:34:02.289 --> 00:34:04.869 of these practices so that we can go out and 00:34:04.869 --> 00:34:07.069 share the good news of Christ with other people. 00:34:07.329 --> 00:34:10.150 Yeah. So thank you so much, folks. And thank 00:34:10.150 --> 00:34:13.050 you for tuning in to this week's episode of Trinity 00:34:13.050 --> 00:34:16.329 Talks. I pray that you find your foundation in 00:34:16.329 --> 00:34:18.750 Christ, that you are able to find ways to then 00:34:18.750 --> 00:34:21.210 share that faith with the people who are around 00:34:21.210 --> 00:34:24.309 you, whether that is in your words or your actions 00:34:24.309 --> 00:34:28.079 or just in simple acts of light and love. And 00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:29.219 we will see you again next week.