Hello everyone and welcome to this week's episode
of Trinity Talks. My name is Kyla. I'm Jordana.
My name is Amaval. I'm Hugh. And we are here
to continue talking about spiritual practices,
to talk about things that help us as we follow
in the way of Jesus, to become more like Jesus,
some of the things that Jesus has asked us to
do as we, yeah, learn what it means to be part
of the kingdom of God. And today we're talking
about the spiritual practice of community and
community I think when we think about it, we
don't maybe necessarily immediately think, oh,
yeah, that's a spiritual practice. We think like,
oh, that's just like people. And yeah, sometimes
we think about people differently than we think
about like God. But yeah. So community as a spiritual
practice. What is it? What makes it a spiritual
practice? Yeah. Do you want to start us off,
Jordana? Sure. I think it's just really difficult
to maintain faith all alone. Sure. You know,
everything, you know, pretty much all the practices
we've talked about become easier when you are
doing it with others. And there's a shared purpose.
There's a sense of togetherness where they are
praying together, where they're doing a Bible
study together. And it brings you out of that
space where it's just God in you. Right. God
is doing something bigger in the world through
others as well and through you in with others.
And so. Yeah, I think spiritual practice allows
you to lean into that purpose in a way that doesn't
feel quite so isolated. Sure. Yeah. And gives
you the strength to do it. Yeah. Yeah. No, that
totally makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. How would you
build on that? I think it's in a spiritual sense,
it's a it's a gathering of Christians, because,
yeah, you can gather with friends and whatever,
but. you know, if you're not, you know, if they're
secular, if they're not Christian, I mean, it's
going to be a different dynamic. Sure. I mean,
one of the things that I noticed, especially
with being a new Christian is, you know, Christians
get each other, you know what I mean? Like, you
can talk, you can talk about a Christian subject
or Christian point of view. And yeah, you'll
get a response from your non -Christian friends
or so and family, but it's not going to be the
same type of response or understanding or reaction
that that you do with with Christians. Sure.
And I mean, and I think in a more serious context
as well, I mean, you know, community is is also
Christian community is also survival, you know,
especially when things are going to get when
things get tough, when you need help, you know,
it's best. It's better to have help from your.
fellow Christians, you know, you guys, we have
to stick together, especially you look at the
modern world and at least our society. And we're
very sort of like multi -religious, multi -faith
sort of like, you know, the whole community doesn't
show up on a Sunday, you know, like it may be
used to. Sure. So we got to sort of like find
each other and stick with each other. Sure. Yeah.
Yeah. And like finding those people helps you
to be able to like grow in your faith, to like
have those connection points and that sort of
thing. Yeah. Yeah. No, that makes sense for sure.
Yeah. What would you add to that, Hugh? Well,
just building on what you both said and Jordana
said about community, because we can't do the
Christian life alone. We need others. And from
the very beginning, you know, God said, it's
not good to be alone. Right. And Jesus said,
one, two or more gathered in my name, I am I'm
in your presence. Right. What makes it a spiritual
practice is the quality of of of the relationships
and community. OK, it's more than conversation.
It's even more than communication. It goes to
the level of what has been termed dialogue. And
in dialogue, you communicate heart to heart,
soul to soul. And that's what makes it a community.
And and I think, you know, with Jesus in your
midst, you're talking in dialogue. And really,
the essential part of community is the connection.
You know, we need to be connected. And we know
now from from from tons of research. that people
need to be connected. And if they're not connected,
it affects their health. Right. We know that
now. And we've known that for two thousand years
in Christianity. But now they're discovering
it in sociology and psychology and other disciplines.
So community is really a group of individuals
who commit to. coming together in dialogue at
the heart and at the soul level in the name of
Jesus. Yeah, that I think is really important.
That gives us a focus of what the community is
doing. It's not just hanging out in the same
space with people, but it's actually opening
up our lives, having meaningful conversations,
sharing a meal. doing things together. That's
right. Yeah. Just the spiritual notion of that
connection here that you're talking about, like
that shared spirit, you know, is so much a part
of how that connection happens and gets deeper.
Right. Yeah. There is something transcendent
there. Right. In the midst. It's not just us
doing it all on our own. And it creates a sense
of. hopefully care and love that grows out of
those connections that grow and model the life
of Christ, right? But the life of Christ among
many people, not just you and Jesus. And so,
yeah. So I'd say that that, you know, coming
together like that allows for that to happen.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I think the other
piece that's coming to mind for you in this moment,
as we're talking about. what that actually looks
like, is that like community has these different
layers, right? That I am in community in one
sense with the whole church, with everybody who
goes to Trinity, with all of the Christians worldwide,
like we are all in a kind of community together,
but I'm not going to have heart -to -heart dialogues
with all of those people and I'm not going to
be able to share a meal with all of those people,
right? Yeah, so maybe let's reflect on what are
these different layers of community and what
role do each of those things play, do you think?
So we have this intimate group of this heart
-to -heart dialogue that you talked about, Hugh.
So yeah, what does that kind of a... practice
of community look like? It's a level of, depending
on the size, that's very practical. It's the
level of vulnerability that's permitted, that's
allowed, that's encouraged. Certainly in a large
group that won't happen. The smaller groups,
it happens, you know. But it's very, it's got
to be very intentional because community doesn't
happen. Just happen. It's it's it's it's it's
something that has to be worked at It's a challenge,
you know, you really have to be intentional about
it in the emotional space and the spiritual space
even in the physical space because community
and the small group in the church is different
than the big church but in the small group sitting
in a circle is very powerful because the circle
is something that's very That's very historical
in a sense that the first people on earth were
sitting around in a circle and the fire in the
middle. And so we still sit in the circle. It's
a physical space and the fire in the middle is
Jesus. But the way the physical space is arranged
makes a big difference to freeing the emotional
and freeing the spiritual. Yeah. Yeah. And I
know Amalva, you've talked before about like
your experience with small groups and that sort
of thing has been really sort of formational.
So like, yeah, what does that sort of look like
for you? For me, and not just to plug it, but,
you know, like the the life groups, you know,
like especially and finding the right life group
is, you know, it can be a challenge, you know,
sometimes you be a former life group or you're
part of a life group and you just don't gel and
then other groups are you know, they're really
helpful and especially because one of the things
I notice is that it's like Sometimes if somebody
is stuck on a certain aspect or a certain part
of scripture, they're not understanding certain
things You know now you have you know eight nine
ten eleven other people who you can bounce ideas
off of or Get their perspective because you know
even in a crit in a Christian group and not everybody's
path to Christ has been the same. Sure. You know,
some of us are long some are long time devoted
Christians. Other people just got to Christianity
a year or two ago. Other people are coming from
different faiths to Christianity. You know, others
are, you know, have, you know, have fallen away
and are just coming back, you know, and and of
course, our life experience is all, you know.
So it's good because you get to see, you can
get to see more than one perspective of Christianity.
Right. Versus if you're just going to the church
and listening to the sermon, well, that's the
pastor's perspective and the teachings and everything
like that. But then you get to see it in other
aspects. when an alert in a in a small group
setting. Right. And you get to like ask your
questions that like, you know, when when Rob
is, you know, preaching from the from the front,
you know, we can't interrupt him and say, Rob,
that didn't make sense. Right. But you get that
space in a small group or whatever. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, just to get back to levels
as well. Right. Like one aspect is that sense
of coming together once a week, you know, to
actually discuss, to get a hand, you know, a
text to learn each other to get you begin to
invest in each other's lives. There can be other
ways like there are monastic communities where
people intentionally living together and there's
much more shared life happening in those spaces.
I grew up Catholic and so the parish system,
you know, where there is a church and everybody
in two kilometers belong to that parish, you
begin to just have a sense of a broader community
of friends who you learn to know over the years
in your community, right? And so that is more
geographically based, but you just are then not
necessarily meeting intentionally in a small
group, but you see each other at church and you
know about whoever it is, and you begin to slowly
know the people in your neighborhood in a way
that. You know, the church becomes that hub of
meeting and then you begin meeting outside as
well. And so it creates a space within a geographical
area where you begin to know your neighbors,
you begin to know your friends. You have these
friendships where you're invested in each other's
lives on an ongoing basis and it's more organic.
So, yeah, there are these different levels that
I think, you know, can can all generate ways
of sharing life. Yeah. Right. And so It's interesting
to think through what it is, how we can implement
that, and what exists for us here at those different
levels, because they all exist simultaneously.
Yeah, I think the other piece that sort of connects
to that is that thinking about community as a
spiritual practice doesn't always mean that we're
doing super specifically spiritual things together.
Everything is kind of spiritual because we are
spiritual beings and we bring God's spirit into
the things that we do. Sharing a meal together
or like even like I knew this guy one time He
was just like always busy doing lots of things
and so like when he wanted to spend time with
people He'd be like, hey like come and run errands
with me Go grocery shopping do these things but
like as we're doing that we're like Communicating
and we're talking and like sharing life in a
different way, right? So like yeah, just creating
those spaces for whatever that looks like. Yes.
Yeah. Community can be fun. Yeah. It's connection.
I mean, Jesus at the wedding, I think made sure
everybody had fun. Sure. kept the best wine to
the last. But community is really a place where
I think you referred to a Jordan a little earlier,
where that's life giving and that's where you
live your life. For me, community has meant everything
in my Christian life. I met Jesus in an intervarsity
community in university. In our early married
life, we were in a couples group and that helped
us tremendously in our marriage. And throughout
our Christian life, we've been in one group after
another, which has really helped. Now it's our
life group. And in this church, there's Alpha.
There's a variety of ways to communicate. But
the Christian life happens in community. And
if you don't have it, it's very difficult. We
have a friend who's trying to live the Christian
life alone, but it's a struggle. Sure. And we're
trying to pull them into some kind of community.
And because you just can't do it alone. Yeah,
there is also the basic fact that we are born
into community. Our families are the first communities.
Right. Right. You cannot survive without them.
And so there is that moment where, you know,
you just begin to think through that we're literally
created dependent on others. Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, and I know, Jordana, you
had shared that at one point you were part of
an intentional community. So can you just explain,
first of all, what that is and then what your
experience was like? So years ago now, but it
was a group of people coming together to live
in the same neighborhood and sometimes in the
same house. It was more than just the people
in our house. We had about two couples and two
of us singles in a house that had actually, it
was quite large, it was six bedrooms. And so
we, you know, the couples took two each, we had
one each, and I was single at the time. And it
was about sharing life together. It was on the
one hand amazing because it just meant that you
always had support and your friends around you.
We all had part -time jobs to support. each other.
We cooked meals together. There was a sense of
rhythm in the day where you woke up and you prayed
together at seven in the morning. Then you went
to your work and had different things to do.
We committed to praying every afternoon, just
wherever we were at one o 'clock. And because
we were in different spaces, we didn't get together
for that. And then we would have evening prayer.
And you know, when I said that in community,
even things like prayer and Bible reading are
easier. that ended up being a structure in place
for us. We took turns cooking meals during the
week, so multiple gems during the week. You know,
one day was at mine and another day was others.
And so you just ended up sort of getting together
and living life in a way that was so much easier
and more stressful. You just end up. um needing
less when you're sharing resources you don't
have five people requiring five different i don't
know toasters right like there's one and among
all of us or the stuff like that where life gets
um Just more wholesome, I think. We also had
our own jobs, as I said. We had different schedules,
but there were and we made space for that. But
in terms of just sharing life, living more simply,
holding each other through, you know, prayer
and through Bible study. And it was an easier
life, I would say. And because we were multiple
people, and then there were others who shared
homes, not as big as ours, but sometimes two
or three would be in a three -bedroom apartment,
and they'd be joining us for events, for Bible
studies. We were able to also sort of just open
up our homes to neighbors, you know, to say,
come and have a meal with us. You're not trying
to do it alone. You've got each other's backs.
It was safer in a way. It was more generous.
So yeah, so intentional community definitely
allowed for a lot more of the things we think
of as practices to happen in a way where everyone
supported each other. That was my experience,
for the most part, yeah. Yeah, and it sounds
like it was something that was really beneficial
and life -giving to you, but then it was also
something that you were able to share with people
in your home and outside of your home. And outside,
yeah. Right? It was a blessing to the people
in the home, but also a blessing to the neighborhood.
Yes. Yeah. So that was actually quite a bit of
why, actually, everyone came together. It was,
you know, we want to be able to do this together
and we want to be able to also serve beyond that
and doing it and serving in a group is just so
much easier than trying to incorporate service
on your own. And so, yeah, it worked well. Yeah,
yeah, yeah. Yeah. And I think that is like a
really beautiful model of community and like
so awesome that like you were able to spend that
time doing that. And I think if folks are able
to participate in something like that, that is.
incredible. And that's not the only way that
we practice community, right? Like, there'll
be some folks who hear that story and they're
like, that was great for you, Jordan. That's
right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and I said it was
a few years ago. There were challenges there,
too. Sure. Ultimately, I think, you know, even
there, some of the challenges of I think for
us, for me, it was like getting married and and
my husband's job took me away, you know, so,
you know, different ways in which. sustaining
that community or continuing and it became a
challenge. But yeah, for the time that I was
in there for the few years, it was a wonderful
space. Yeah, I've also heard of families doing
like kind of like intentional community, but
not living together, just being like, OK, every
Friday or every Sunday, we're going to like all
gather together and like maybe we'll all go to
the playground together and we'll all cook a
meal together. Right. And just like finding those
ways to cultivate community. in the rhythms that
like work in your life. Yeah. Yeah. What about
you folks? Any other sort of particular experiences
of community that you feel like were impactful
for you? I think just just living in sort of
a monastic tradition, but for for a time. OK,
like I've had that experience several times,
like 10 days at a time. Sure. And that was a
tremendous experience because it allows you to,
you're disconnected from the outside world. You're
not allowed cell phones or anything like that.
No TVs, maybe one or two books. And you go to
a formal mass or service every day. Mine happened
to be a Catholic community, a Jesuit community.
So we went to mass every day. We had a certain
time for prayer and a certain time for Bible
reading and an optional time to meet with a spiritual
director if you wanted to. So that was a kind
of a mini experience of the monastic kind of
community, which is fabulous because it connects
you to the world. It fills you with new life
and then you can. be ready to go back into the
world. Yeah, yeah for sure. Sorry, I'm just going
to jump in a mouthful if you wanted to say something.
No, no, no, you're good. I was just going to
say, like, you know, at Trinity there are so
many different forms of meeting beyond the life
groups, right, that people plug into and learn
about each other. Sometimes it's kids' church,
sometimes it's, you know, helping out together,
or sometimes it's a women's ministry where you
just bring in, like those are the ones that I'm
involved in. There are so many different forms
that allow people to... come in at different
places and connect in different ways. Right.
And so it's it's worth sort of exploring that.
For me, the small groups, as well as women's
ministry, have been places where I've been able
to find other women and other people who I could
be I could share my life with. Yeah. Yeah. That
makes sense. Yeah. So it's it's very powerful,
even in a secular setting in the last 16 years
of my career. I was the head of a fairly large
organization and we needed to really change the
culture in that organization. We needed to move
from a culture of fear to a culture of feeling
more accepted so that our creativity and our...
Our products would be better quality. Sure. So
what we did is we created what we call leadership
circles throughout the organizations. And there
was, I think, seven to nine people in the organizations.
There were two leaders. The leaders were trained
and they met for half a day every month. We started
with a time of silence and sometimes a time of
a piece of music, sometimes a piece of poetry
just to get the, you know, the right brain geared
in. Sure. And then we would we would discuss
what we would call what we call the check in.
What's happening in your work? What's happening
in your life? And then they would share that.
And then we would go into a didactic session
of what the teaching leading edge leadership.
theory or practice. And then we'd have a checkout.
What was it like for you today and so on and
so forth. And over the 10 years that we did this,
it was incredible what happened. Because, you
know, Jesus will be there, even if it's not overtly
there. He's in their midst. And people were saying,
you know, I feel so much more productive in the
organization. I don't feel the fear anymore.
I feel a sense of well -being. And they were
just, it was just amazing. So it changed the
culture of the organization from a lack of engagement
to an engagement level on the part of staff that
was higher than the Canadian average. And that
was because we had community. in the organization.
That's building community in the workplace. But
we did it in that fashion. So I think community,
whether it's secular, whether it's in a church,
works because when two or more are gathered together,
I'm in their midst. We sounds like community
is super beneficial. Sounds like community has
been really meaningful for us. I want us also
to be honest, community is not always easy. Right.
So like what are some of the challenges that
you guys have experienced as you think about
being part of a community? One of the things
that I find is that like, you know, even when
you're gathered with other Christians, it's like
you can be like, OK, you're Christian, but you're
a totally different Christian than me, you know.
And like, and I'm not even talking about like
different denominations or so, but just even
like different perspectives on things or, you
know, like, you could mention somebody's name
or something that that, you know, is in media
or whatever. And that says they're Christian
or whatever. And then You know, some people will
be like, oh, that guy's amazing. And other people
like, oh, they're horrible. You shouldn't listen
to them. You follow them. Yeah, there's controversial
people. There's things that you find out that
people in your Christian community are doing.
You know, like, I don't know if that's biblical.
I don't know if you should be doing that. Right.
You know, yeah. So it can kind of get like it
can get challenging because it's like you don't
want to step on anybody's toes. But you just
like at the same time, you're like. I'm not sure,
you know, are we all on the same page? Sure.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. No, lots of different
ideas. I know earlier when we were sort of talking
through this, one of the things that you said,
Jordana, that like continues to stand out to
me is you said that there's an element of our
family that's not fully chosen. That's right.
Right. They're like, in some ways we're opting
in, but we're like, OK, we're choosing to follow
Jesus. But I don't get to choose who is following
Jesus. That's right. Yeah. Right. And then there
is blessing and there is challenge in that, for
sure. What about some of the other challenges
that we sometimes face? Well, we're human and
we're all created differently and we rub each
other the wrong way. And those are challenges.
We have moods, you know, and that comes out in
any kind of community. That's why community is
really difficult in that sense. Very rewarding,
very healing. but very challenging as well. And
that's why we can't do it alone. That's why we
need crisis presence. Right, for sure. It's not
going to be a community that doesn't require
some amount of forgiveness. It's just a base
level of how to operate. It's going to break
up because... You know, it's one thing to just
agree to disagree on certain things or to wonder
about disagreements. It's one thing to just have
personalities that, as you said, you don't get
along very well. But there'll be times when people
actively sin or actively might hurt. And sometimes
it's intentional. Sometimes it may not even be
intentional. And so within all of that difference
and messiness. as you said, Christ has to be
there to be able to navigate, you know, everything
from just I don't like something to I've been
hurt. Right. Or I need to be forgiven as well.
And so there is all of that that plays out within
community. And there needs to be wise ways to
navigate and to put into place communication
and I don't know, just a range of Ways to deal
with all of it sure yeah, so when you think about
these challenges of like coming up against Tension
and frustration and hurt like yeah, what what
would you sort of offer to folks is okay? How
do we work through that? How do we come overcome
these challenges? I think step one is just like
being prepared to know that like this is going
to happen and that because I think sometimes
folks will get into a Community or a relationship
or whatever and they'll say oh, this is like
going so great And then they hit their first
thing their first fight, their first disagreement.
And they're like, ah, this is no longer worth
it. And they like check out at that point. Right.
But to say, no, that is actually a normal part
of what's happening to be in community with other
people. So yeah, I think step one is knowing
that that is going to happen and being ready
to sort of work through it. But then like, yeah,
how how do we work through that? In fact, that's
a measure of real community when that happens,
because it's going to happen. Right. And I think.
a community that remains strong has has to have
wise leadership that have been through this and
can take can journey with the group and take
them to the other side. Sure. And if because
I think communities stay or fall depending on
the leadership. Leadership has to be a very wise,
sensitive leader leadership. Yeah. I'd also make
it plural, right? Leaders, the bigger the community,
and I'm just thinking of Trinity, it's a big
enough church that is, you know, oh, Pastor Rob
cannot resolve every difference that comes up
alone. There needs to be the building up of other
good leaders. You talked about circles of leaders,
Hugh, you know, and I think that a church does
need to invest in that as well. And so, yeah.
That's why Moses needed leaders, you know, multiple
leaders delegate. Yeah. But so that's one aspect
of it. Right. But the other is also knowing that
even among all the differences, I think it's
hard. But to remember that Jesus is sort of the
central together, the one that holds together
and the one that asks you to forgive and the
one that doesn't ask you to throw your heart
away either to do it, do things to address it.
But but to also know that forgiveness can be
part of that of the process. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
I think that there is there's a fine line to
walk between like being honest and acknowledging
real hurt and not like holding on to that hurt
such that it like prevents you from further community
and relationship. Right. Right. There is discernment
and spaces to forgiveness does not necessarily
mean always continuing with relationship with
the person who has hurt you necessarily. A large
enough community might allow those spaces to
happen. Sometimes in very small communities,
it may be difficult to find those spaces, and
that can be quite challenging. I think as well,
just being able to understand that if that group
doesn't give you joy, to walk away from it, but
walk away with Christ -like love. You still love
your brothers and sisters in Christ, but they're
just maybe not the right fit. There's going to
be other people that are going to be more of
a better fit for you. I've experienced that with
a life group. I was in a life group with a bunch
of other people for a while, and you know of
course there's like the honeymoon phase everything
is going well and then and then things started
to fall apart slowly and then uh to me and another
person we sort of we we left the group and sure
and we but we found another group that we really
connect with and and sometimes it can just be
as simple as hearing of other people's stories
and being like i can already relate to this and
i'm already just Getting there, you know, so
yeah, so just like knowing that we don't need
to be It goes back to those levels of community.
Yeah, right Like not we are all part of the Christian
family So in that sense we are in community with
all of the people who are trying to follow Jesus
together But that doesn't mean that all of those
people get to be or need to be or even can be
in our like core group Yeah, right. So it's that
discernment You know, you can still say hi and
hug people at the church but not have like an
intimate connection with them outside of that.
Yeah, that's OK. Mm hmm. I think the other piece
that I would sort of say as we move into like,
OK, so how do we develop community is that like
sometimes it starts with us. I need to be willing
to put myself out there. Yeah, to to. to develop
some sort of a community. And that doesn't mean
I need to put myself out there in like some grand
way. Yeah. But just like being like, OK, hey,
Jordana, do you want to go grab coffee sometime
or while we're at coffee hour at the church?
Just be like, oh, I'm going to go talk to this
person that I think I just like feel some sort
of connection to or whatever. Right. Yeah. And,
you know, there are so those are the personality
challenges of community. But sometimes it's just
practical. You know, we live very busy lives
and this culture, everything's further away.
I mean, when I talked about the parish model,
the thing that got me about that is how organically
community formed when you live very close by.
And if you're further away, it just becomes so
much more of an effort to get together, to plan
something, to drive 25 minutes away, instead
of like going over to the very next building,
you know, and just jumping into somebody's life,
like ring the bell and then there and say hello.
And that's a very different way of connecting
than having to consistently plan everything when
you have a moment or when you have some time.
And so those challenges can really play an outsized
role, I think, when we live in suburbia, when
we, you know what I mean, when we, when our communities
are. cities are structured the way they are.
And that can be a real challenge to building
communities, just how busy and how far away we
are from each other. Sure. But eventually you'll
see the necessity in making that time as well.
Yes. Because I mean, like one thing I've said
is that, you know, sometimes once a week on Sunday
is not enough. You know, like you can everything
can be going well and then something goes wrong.
And if it happens in the middle of the week,
you know. If you don't have anybody there to
talk to, you know, if you don't have a community
you can reach out to, you know, it can be, it
just makes it more difficult. For sure. Especially
for me, like I've, you know, I can count on one
hand the number of actual like legitimate Christians
in my family on both sides and none of them live
close. Right. So, you know, being at the, obviously
being at the church is amazing, but You know,
having my, you know, having my life group is
very beneficial for sure. And on top of that,
I mean, even if you're not in the same life group
or so, make friends so you can, you know, just
go have a birthday lunch or have a coffee or
go see a concert or whatever, you know, just
keep those Christian connections together because.
Again, in a world where not everybody is Christian,
we need each other more than ever. Yeah, I think
after going through the challenges of busyness,
I think for a community to work, I think there
has to be a certain vulnerability. You have to
open your life. you know, so the other person
is free to open theirs. And that happens in a
friendship and it happens also in community.
And if the vulnerability isn't there, if we're
not open, willing to open our lives, then it
does, community doesn't happen. And that's a
challenge for many reasons, you know. But that
that vulnerability has to be there after we find
the time to do it. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Well,
thank you so much, folks. Yeah, just that encouragement.
Start where you're at. Yes. Geographically, with
the people that you know, with the communities
that you can have and be willing to go deeper
to work through all of the hard things, because
together. we will form that community of Christ.
Yes. Yeah. And thank you for tuning into this
week's episode of Trinity Talks. I hope that
wherever you are, you can find your people and
you can dive deeper into those relationships
so that, yeah, together with all of these people
and with all of us in all of these levels of
community, we can grow into the people of Christ
and we'll see you again next week.