WEBVTT 00:00:02.950 --> 00:00:05.110 Hello everyone and welcome to this week's episode 00:00:05.110 --> 00:00:08.669 of Trinity Talks. My name is Kyla. My name is 00:00:08.669 --> 00:00:12.210 Amalvel. My name is Elizabeth. And Hugh. And 00:00:12.210 --> 00:00:15.769 we are here to continue talking about some spiritual 00:00:15.769 --> 00:00:18.589 practices. Some of those things that we can do 00:00:18.589 --> 00:00:21.449 that help us as we learn what it means to follow 00:00:21.449 --> 00:00:25.969 Jesus. And we started by talking about prayer. 00:00:26.190 --> 00:00:28.030 Then we moved to talking about scripture reading. 00:00:28.390 --> 00:00:31.109 Then last week we talked about this idea of solitude. 00:00:31.420 --> 00:00:34.000 And today we're talking about this thing called 00:00:34.000 --> 00:00:40.079 Sabbath. And Sabbath is a practice where we take 00:00:40.079 --> 00:00:44.320 some time out just to rest, to delight in God. 00:00:45.560 --> 00:00:47.460 And that sounds really great, but I think it 00:00:47.460 --> 00:00:51.780 can also be really challenging sometimes. And 00:00:51.780 --> 00:00:54.640 so, yeah, I want to sort of unpack together what 00:00:54.640 --> 00:00:57.899 that might look like and what are some of the 00:00:57.899 --> 00:01:00.420 ways that we have found that to be helpful, what 00:01:00.420 --> 00:01:01.960 are some of the ways that we found that challenging. 00:01:02.719 --> 00:01:06.739 But first, what is Sabbath? When you hear that 00:01:06.739 --> 00:01:09.260 word, when you think about it, what sort of comes 00:01:09.260 --> 00:01:10.939 to mind for you when you think about what is 00:01:10.939 --> 00:01:13.900 Sabbath? Do you want to start us off, Hugh? Sure. 00:01:15.079 --> 00:01:24.120 Sabbath is a time of rest. And rest means disconnecting 00:01:24.120 --> 00:01:28.659 from the world and filling your mind, your heart, 00:01:28.799 --> 00:01:32.379 your soul again, so you can go back into the 00:01:32.379 --> 00:01:36.060 world and embrace the world. When we get so busy, 00:01:36.340 --> 00:01:41.099 so stressed out, so burnt out on the edge of 00:01:41.099 --> 00:01:43.400 burnout, I mean, the research is saying that 00:01:43.849 --> 00:01:46.450 A large percentage of people in the workplace 00:01:46.450 --> 00:01:50.650 now are on the edge of burnout. And so we need 00:01:50.650 --> 00:01:54.109 Sabbath more than ever. Sure. And Sabbath is 00:01:54.109 --> 00:01:58.810 something that God mandated. It's one of the 00:01:58.810 --> 00:02:03.290 Ten Commandments. But Jesus also said that it's 00:02:03.290 --> 00:02:06.849 more than a rule, that it was made for us. We 00:02:06.849 --> 00:02:08.629 weren't made for the Sabbath, but the Sabbath 00:02:08.629 --> 00:02:11.960 was made for us. So he's ordering us, in a sense, 00:02:12.000 --> 00:02:17.099 or commanding us to rest. And it's the best self 00:02:17.099 --> 00:02:20.460 -care we can do. For sure. It's to rest our minds, 00:02:20.520 --> 00:02:26.139 our souls, our emotional, our psyches, so that 00:02:26.139 --> 00:02:28.860 we have more to give others. Because we can't 00:02:28.860 --> 00:02:31.689 give to others what we... don't have ourselves 00:02:31.689 --> 00:02:35.330 sure so that's what the sabbath is for sure yeah 00:02:35.330 --> 00:02:37.530 and i think like what you were saying there it 00:02:37.530 --> 00:02:39.729 connects to the idea that we talked about last 00:02:39.729 --> 00:02:42.009 week of like solitude and that it is a bit of 00:02:42.009 --> 00:02:45.270 a withdrawing and and taking time apart but it 00:02:45.270 --> 00:02:47.310 doesn't always have to be that sometimes we sabbath 00:02:47.310 --> 00:02:49.789 with other people as well absolutely absolutely 00:02:49.789 --> 00:02:53.449 yeah what would you add to that elizabeth when 00:02:53.449 --> 00:02:56.250 you think about what is sabbath um to me um to 00:02:56.250 --> 00:03:01.340 me according to from the hebrew The foundation 00:03:01.340 --> 00:03:05.840 is from the Hebrew, Shavuot, to cease, to rest. 00:03:06.240 --> 00:03:11.479 And it's a 24 -hour period of rest. It's the 00:03:11.479 --> 00:03:17.919 seventh day of the week, designated in the Bible 00:03:17.919 --> 00:03:21.539 as Holy Day of Rest. Worship and reflection. 00:03:22.099 --> 00:03:30.870 It was established in Genesis 2 -3. Exodus 28 00:03:30.870 --> 00:03:35.750 to 11. In regards to the Sabbath day, it was 00:03:35.750 --> 00:03:39.789 written in 10 commandments to keep it holy. Right. 00:03:39.930 --> 00:03:45.740 And then in Mark 2. 27 to 28. Right. So those 00:03:45.740 --> 00:03:47.659 are the passages that he was just talking about, 00:03:47.699 --> 00:03:49.819 that it's part of the 10 commandments. And then 00:03:49.819 --> 00:03:51.919 it's part of what Jesus commands us as well. 00:03:52.460 --> 00:03:54.780 And then the part that you talked about in Genesis, 00:03:54.819 --> 00:03:57.080 I think is really interesting because there we 00:03:57.080 --> 00:04:00.740 see that God takes a Sabbath, right? We see that 00:04:00.740 --> 00:04:04.219 God rests. And so I think that's important to 00:04:04.219 --> 00:04:09.060 remember that like, we don't take a rest because 00:04:10.519 --> 00:04:13.280 Yeah. Like we take a rest, like God took a rest. 00:04:13.340 --> 00:04:15.979 Right. And so we can't say, oh, I'm too busy 00:04:15.979 --> 00:04:19.259 for this. Right. Because God did it. And if God 00:04:19.259 --> 00:04:23.699 rested, then like we should rest. Right. God 00:04:23.699 --> 00:04:27.019 has made an example for us. Yeah. Yeah. What 00:04:27.019 --> 00:04:29.600 would you add to that? I would say, especially 00:04:29.600 --> 00:04:32.600 in the modern sense, I mean, Sabbath is really 00:04:32.600 --> 00:04:35.819 a digital detox. OK. Because, you know, again, 00:04:36.019 --> 00:04:39.060 it's. you know maybe in back in the day it was 00:04:39.060 --> 00:04:42.379 a lot easier to do to keep Sabbath but we have 00:04:42.379 --> 00:04:46.660 our phones we have our laptops we have our we 00:04:46.660 --> 00:04:48.980 you know sometimes we have to work on Sundays 00:04:48.980 --> 00:04:52.639 you know and so it's it's one of those things 00:04:52.639 --> 00:04:57.160 where like we can occupy our time and our space 00:04:57.160 --> 00:05:01.360 and our energy through technology but on on the 00:05:01.360 --> 00:05:04.759 Sabbath you got to replace that with you know 00:05:04.759 --> 00:05:08.259 either with stuff like you know just gathering 00:05:08.259 --> 00:05:10.560 with other christians sharing a meal going for 00:05:10.560 --> 00:05:15.160 a walk reading your bible doing any any of that 00:05:15.160 --> 00:05:18.480 sort of stuff so it's it's a day where you kind 00:05:18.480 --> 00:05:22.339 of have to replace like the norm the of our society 00:05:22.339 --> 00:05:26.360 because again like our society is not i don't 00:05:26.360 --> 00:05:28.180 think especially modern society i don't think 00:05:28.180 --> 00:05:34.050 uh we are the i don't i don't think we we're 00:05:34.050 --> 00:05:35.850 like we're it's not it's almost like we're not 00:05:35.850 --> 00:05:39.350 designed to be keeping sabbath our society trains 00:05:39.350 --> 00:05:41.930 us you know right always keep busy keep going 00:05:41.930 --> 00:05:45.110 keep going exactly harder do more i mean you 00:05:45.110 --> 00:05:47.850 look at retail for example there's no sundays 00:05:47.850 --> 00:05:51.490 off right you know good lucky being a christian 00:05:51.490 --> 00:05:53.850 wanting to go to church on sunday even sometimes 00:05:53.850 --> 00:05:57.250 if you're in retail it's like not gonna happen 00:05:57.250 --> 00:06:00.750 right yeah The city keeps running. People keep 00:06:00.750 --> 00:06:03.990 going. Everybody. Nobody stops. Nobody. Yeah. 00:06:04.089 --> 00:06:07.589 And I mean, I do. I do. I don't think I can remember 00:06:07.589 --> 00:06:10.870 it, but like there was a period of time where 00:06:10.870 --> 00:06:13.750 even in Canada where Sundays most things were 00:06:13.750 --> 00:06:16.990 closed. Right. And now look at it. It's like 00:06:16.990 --> 00:06:21.050 nothing closes on Sundays nowadays. So. Yeah. 00:06:21.170 --> 00:06:23.470 So I think there's. Two questions that are now 00:06:23.470 --> 00:06:25.290 coming up for me as we think about this. So the 00:06:25.290 --> 00:06:27.410 first question maybe is like, okay, so we've 00:06:27.410 --> 00:06:29.790 talked about Sabbath as a concept, that it's 00:06:29.790 --> 00:06:32.230 a time for rest. It's a time for delight. It's 00:06:32.230 --> 00:06:35.290 a time for slowing down. But what does that actually 00:06:35.290 --> 00:06:39.649 look like? Like is Sabbath just sitting on the 00:06:39.649 --> 00:06:42.850 sofa and like being quiet all day? Is Sabbath 00:06:42.850 --> 00:06:46.290 like taking a nap? Like what does one do? What 00:06:46.290 --> 00:06:50.480 does Sabbath look like, do you think? To me, 00:06:50.579 --> 00:06:54.339 Sabbath is the day of reflection. You're reflecting 00:06:54.339 --> 00:07:01.740 back to what God has done in your life. And it's 00:07:01.740 --> 00:07:08.939 a solemn day to worship, to read your Bible, 00:07:09.220 --> 00:07:16.060 and then to pray. So to take delight in God. 00:07:16.540 --> 00:07:20.860 creation, you know, all those things. So that's 00:07:20.860 --> 00:07:24.899 for me as a day of Sabbath. And again, it's a 00:07:24.899 --> 00:07:29.000 day that, you know, we come around like church 00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:34.639 brethren here to worship, to praise God in the 00:07:34.639 --> 00:07:39.420 beauty of his holiness, you know, to fellowship 00:07:39.420 --> 00:07:43.740 with each other. Yeah. Yeah. So in some ways 00:07:43.740 --> 00:07:48.329 Sabbath is like, excuse me, is a practice that 00:07:48.329 --> 00:07:52.269 like holds space for all of the other spiritual 00:07:52.269 --> 00:07:54.970 practices, right? That it becomes a place where 00:07:54.970 --> 00:07:56.850 we practice prayer and we practice scripture 00:07:56.850 --> 00:07:59.470 reading and we practice gathering and worshiping, 00:07:59.529 --> 00:08:02.569 right? So it holds some of those other practices. 00:08:02.810 --> 00:08:06.290 Okay, what else? That's right. Well, I think 00:08:06.290 --> 00:08:12.290 it's, I like what you said, Elizabeth and Kyla. 00:08:12.389 --> 00:08:17.720 I think it's all of that. To me, it means that 00:08:17.720 --> 00:08:22.959 we stop doing so that we can be freed from being. 00:08:23.220 --> 00:08:31.019 And being means that we're not captured by all 00:08:31.019 --> 00:08:34.240 the things, all the tasks, but we're free to 00:08:34.240 --> 00:08:38.200 be who we are and to be more of who we are. And 00:08:38.200 --> 00:08:41.779 I think the key for Sabbath is the freedom to 00:08:41.779 --> 00:08:46.019 build and pursue relationships. Because it's 00:08:46.019 --> 00:08:53.100 a time devoted to people and to build those relationships. 00:08:53.220 --> 00:08:55.240 You're sitting around a table or you're eating 00:08:55.240 --> 00:08:57.820 or sharing a meal or you're playing with your 00:08:57.820 --> 00:09:02.980 kids or you're calling your mother or your grandmother. 00:09:03.679 --> 00:09:07.539 It's a time for people. And I think that's a 00:09:07.539 --> 00:09:12.080 lot of the reason Gabe... God gave us this time 00:09:12.080 --> 00:09:18.639 because relationships are so key. God is relationship. 00:09:19.240 --> 00:09:22.320 God has always been in relationship. Relationship 00:09:22.320 --> 00:09:26.059 is the key thing for God. It's a central focus 00:09:26.059 --> 00:09:29.539 of our existence is relationships. And we're 00:09:29.539 --> 00:09:33.820 discovering now through our contemporary research. 00:09:34.539 --> 00:09:38.919 how relationship is so important. In fact, people 00:09:38.919 --> 00:09:41.500 who come to church, who have Sabbath regularly, 00:09:41.720 --> 00:09:44.399 people who have good relationships in their life 00:09:44.399 --> 00:09:49.019 actually are healthier and live longer. And so 00:09:49.019 --> 00:09:54.940 the Sabbath is so important because it affects 00:09:54.940 --> 00:09:58.399 all of our life. And if you don't do it, you 00:09:58.399 --> 00:10:00.580 don't live as long and you're not as healthy. 00:10:02.350 --> 00:10:04.669 Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. That's interesting to 00:10:04.669 --> 00:10:06.450 think about. Like it doesn't, it obviously has 00:10:06.450 --> 00:10:09.190 like spiritual benefit as we like get to spend 00:10:09.190 --> 00:10:11.830 time with God. It also has like physical health 00:10:11.830 --> 00:10:14.970 benefits and relational health benefits. Yeah. 00:10:15.169 --> 00:10:17.529 Yeah, for sure. Now, what about when you think 00:10:17.529 --> 00:10:19.750 about like what Sabbath looks like a model, are 00:10:19.750 --> 00:10:21.429 there like specific things that you would sort 00:10:21.429 --> 00:10:24.450 of put in that day or that period? I mean, for 00:10:24.450 --> 00:10:27.029 me, it's like my experience with Sabbath itself. 00:10:27.389 --> 00:10:31.629 It's, I mean, the closest that I come is. coming 00:10:31.629 --> 00:10:34.509 to church because for that at least for those 00:10:34.509 --> 00:10:38.769 two three hours you know the phone's away it's 00:10:38.769 --> 00:10:42.450 not you know the ringers are off you know i'm 00:10:42.450 --> 00:10:44.509 you know listening to the sermon i'm singing 00:10:44.509 --> 00:10:47.730 the worship songs and then oftentimes i'm spending 00:10:47.730 --> 00:10:50.850 a good amount of time after church just chatting 00:10:50.850 --> 00:10:54.409 with other christians and you know it's a it's 00:10:54.409 --> 00:10:58.210 a nice way to forget about all the nonsense that's 00:10:58.210 --> 00:11:02.580 going on in the world or As well, it's a time 00:11:02.580 --> 00:11:06.240 to gather with other Christians. And especially 00:11:06.240 --> 00:11:08.759 when you don't come from a family of Christians, 00:11:09.080 --> 00:11:11.899 it's nice to be able to share that Sabbath with 00:11:11.899 --> 00:11:15.000 people that are walking the same faith journey 00:11:15.000 --> 00:11:19.399 as you. Yeah, I remember when I was having a 00:11:19.399 --> 00:11:21.679 conversation with my partner at one point about 00:11:21.679 --> 00:11:23.799 like, okay, what would it look like for us to 00:11:23.799 --> 00:11:27.360 practice the Sabbath together? You know, it was 00:11:27.360 --> 00:11:29.159 like, well, what does that even mean? Like, what 00:11:29.159 --> 00:11:32.299 counts as Sabbath? Right. What counts as rest 00:11:32.299 --> 00:11:36.600 and delight? I was like, I think of it as things 00:11:36.600 --> 00:11:40.480 that we are doing because we want to do them, 00:11:40.580 --> 00:11:42.320 not things that we're doing because we have to 00:11:42.320 --> 00:11:44.240 do them. Now, obviously, in a given day, there 00:11:44.240 --> 00:11:46.580 are certain things that you have to do. Right. 00:11:46.679 --> 00:11:48.539 Like to take care of yourself, to be healthy. 00:11:48.700 --> 00:11:53.659 But like, what if we fill our day with, you know, 00:11:53.659 --> 00:11:57.000 going for a walk or. What if we fill our day 00:11:57.000 --> 00:12:00.480 with like having a meal with our families? Right. 00:12:00.539 --> 00:12:04.240 Like now that isn't inherently restful for some 00:12:04.240 --> 00:12:06.279 people. Having a meal with their parents is very 00:12:06.279 --> 00:12:08.179 stressful and you don't want to do that. But 00:12:08.179 --> 00:12:11.279 if that is a place of rest and delight and like 00:12:11.279 --> 00:12:14.039 it brings you joy and peace, then like do that. 00:12:14.240 --> 00:12:17.440 Right. It might mean sleeping in and, you know, 00:12:17.460 --> 00:12:19.519 taking a really slow day. But like there are 00:12:19.519 --> 00:12:23.769 having a day of rest doesn't mean. We do nothing. 00:12:24.029 --> 00:12:28.029 Right. It means we do things that feel that like 00:12:28.029 --> 00:12:32.409 feel life giving to us. That's right. Yeah. OK, 00:12:32.549 --> 00:12:34.090 so then the other question that sort of came 00:12:34.090 --> 00:12:36.269 up when you were talking a model, you said, you 00:12:36.269 --> 00:12:38.409 know, Sunday is like really hard to make that 00:12:38.409 --> 00:12:41.610 a day of rest for some people. So then my other 00:12:41.610 --> 00:12:44.210 question is, when is the Sabbath and does it 00:12:44.210 --> 00:12:48.889 matter when it is? Yeah. So I think traditionally 00:12:48.889 --> 00:12:51.700 in the Christian experience, Sunday. has sort 00:12:51.700 --> 00:12:57.120 of been a day of Sabbath. But yeah, what is sort 00:12:57.120 --> 00:13:00.580 of your experiences of when Sabbath is? What 00:13:00.580 --> 00:13:04.159 does your Sabbath look like, Elizabeth? To me, 00:13:04.340 --> 00:13:11.480 my Sabbath starts from Saturday evening. So in 00:13:11.480 --> 00:13:17.899 preparation for Sunday service or Sunday mood. 00:13:18.480 --> 00:13:24.039 So like, For me, growing up, the way we were 00:13:24.039 --> 00:13:30.399 raised in my family, so we have to prepare everything 00:13:30.399 --> 00:13:34.840 that we're going to use on Sunday, on that Saturday 00:13:34.840 --> 00:13:41.440 evening. Especially our clothing, because thank 00:13:41.440 --> 00:13:45.559 God for Canada, we have electricity 24 -7 here. 00:13:46.379 --> 00:13:50.059 But back in Nigeria, you know, there is an issue 00:13:50.059 --> 00:13:56.899 of lighting off for like days or so. So in preparation 00:13:56.899 --> 00:14:00.620 for Sabbath, you know, you have to get your clothes 00:14:00.620 --> 00:14:03.559 ready because you don't want to go to church 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:07.679 on Sunday with wrinkled clothes. So you iron 00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:12.350 your clothes, you know, you prepare meal. Because 00:14:12.350 --> 00:14:15.690 we don't cook on Sunday. We just warm the food 00:14:15.690 --> 00:14:19.370 on Sunday. So all those things start from Saturday 00:14:19.370 --> 00:14:24.769 up to this moment in my life. Yeah, I think that's 00:14:24.769 --> 00:14:26.710 important to think about. Okay, whenever our 00:14:26.710 --> 00:14:28.509 Sabbath is going to be, maybe we need some time 00:14:28.509 --> 00:14:30.909 before the Sabbath starts to prepare well so 00:14:30.909 --> 00:14:33.529 that we can actually rest. Yeah, yeah, for sure. 00:14:34.149 --> 00:14:37.669 And you said that there's Sundays where you have 00:14:37.669 --> 00:14:40.950 to work. So how does that work? Like, do you 00:14:40.950 --> 00:14:47.149 take your Sabbath on an actual day off? No, not 00:14:47.149 --> 00:14:51.110 really. I still take my Sabbath on Sunday because 00:14:51.110 --> 00:14:54.730 at work I have break time. Okay. Even sometimes, 00:14:54.909 --> 00:14:58.509 most of the time I was service online. Okay. 00:14:58.529 --> 00:15:02.269 So I still observe my Sabbath and, you know, 00:15:02.370 --> 00:15:07.789 the work I do deal with people with disability. 00:15:08.840 --> 00:15:13.679 So you have to be 24 -7 compassionate towards 00:15:13.679 --> 00:15:19.000 the people that you care for. So I always observe 00:15:19.000 --> 00:15:22.960 my Sabbath despite I'm working that day. Okay, 00:15:23.500 --> 00:15:26.059 yeah. So your work has a little bit of flexibility 00:15:26.059 --> 00:15:29.039 where you're able to do that. So yeah, make that 00:15:29.039 --> 00:15:32.320 space for yourself. What about for you, Hugh? 00:15:32.460 --> 00:15:34.879 What does your Sabbath look like? When do you 00:15:34.879 --> 00:15:36.919 try and find time in the week to practice that? 00:15:37.320 --> 00:15:43.779 Well, it varies. Sunday, for sure. But sometimes 00:15:43.779 --> 00:15:46.700 if I'm traveling on Sunday or have other commitments 00:15:46.700 --> 00:15:49.600 on Sunday, then I have to carve out another time 00:15:49.600 --> 00:15:54.039 of the week. Sure. It's interesting. This conversation 00:15:54.039 --> 00:15:58.960 reminds me of Julia Cameron, and she wrote the 00:15:58.960 --> 00:16:02.019 book The Artist's Way. Okay. And in that, she 00:16:02.019 --> 00:16:07.080 said that, you know, sort of her Sabbath, is 00:16:07.080 --> 00:16:11.080 having a date with herself. Okay. So taking the 00:16:11.080 --> 00:16:16.360 full day and just doing things that really pampers 00:16:16.360 --> 00:16:21.419 her soul, like visiting a museum or calling a 00:16:21.419 --> 00:16:26.240 good friend or spending lunch with someone that's 00:16:26.240 --> 00:16:29.539 really important to her. So she's having a date 00:16:29.539 --> 00:16:32.539 with herself. And I like that. And sometimes 00:16:32.539 --> 00:16:35.700 when I get really busy and things are all over 00:16:35.700 --> 00:16:37.899 the place, I remember that. And I think, okay, 00:16:38.019 --> 00:16:42.240 it's time that I have a date with myself. And 00:16:42.240 --> 00:16:45.740 so the Sabbath, for me, could be a Wednesday. 00:16:45.840 --> 00:16:48.720 It could be a Thursday. It depends. Yeah, it 00:16:48.720 --> 00:16:51.179 really depends on what the rest of your week 00:16:51.179 --> 00:16:55.039 looks like. Yeah, I think the other thing that 00:16:55.039 --> 00:16:57.000 you had mentioned in the novel was that sometimes 00:16:57.000 --> 00:17:00.259 it can't be a whole day, right? And so even taking 00:17:00.259 --> 00:17:03.840 a few hours for rest and for delight and that 00:17:03.840 --> 00:17:08.680 sort of a thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and I think 00:17:08.680 --> 00:17:14.980 really it's the sense of rest, the sense of spending 00:17:14.980 --> 00:17:17.599 time with God, the sense of spending time in 00:17:17.599 --> 00:17:20.509 community, like all of those things. just being 00:17:20.509 --> 00:17:22.950 really intentional about it is what makes it 00:17:22.950 --> 00:17:26.009 Sabbath. Yes. And, and there is something important 00:17:26.009 --> 00:17:28.569 about gathering for worship. And so if you're 00:17:28.569 --> 00:17:30.890 able to sort of have a Sabbath on a Sunday, then 00:17:30.890 --> 00:17:33.470 like, that's awesome. But if that doesn't work 00:17:33.470 --> 00:17:35.829 for you, like, I know I like working in a church 00:17:35.829 --> 00:17:38.130 Sunday morning does not feel like a Sabbath for 00:17:38.130 --> 00:17:41.509 me. Right. I'm always like, okay, is this working? 00:17:41.609 --> 00:17:43.710 Is that working? Whatever. So like, I need to 00:17:43.710 --> 00:17:46.130 find other spaces where I can be like, okay. 00:17:46.799 --> 00:17:50.180 I am not on right now. You're not having your 00:17:50.180 --> 00:17:53.720 Sabbath right now. Yes, no. Clearly not. I love 00:17:53.720 --> 00:17:57.099 this. This is great. This is not restful. No. 00:17:57.400 --> 00:18:00.259 Yeah, for sure. So does your Sabbath begin in 00:18:00.259 --> 00:18:05.400 the afternoon or so? So usually I alternate. 00:18:06.059 --> 00:18:08.180 Depends on, again, the week and sort of what's 00:18:08.180 --> 00:18:10.019 happened. But usually I'll take Friday or Saturday 00:18:10.019 --> 00:18:14.619 as a Sabbath. Got it. And usually more Saturday 00:18:14.619 --> 00:18:17.619 because Friday is also a day off. I generally 00:18:17.619 --> 00:18:19.980 don't work on Fridays. But that means it's also 00:18:19.980 --> 00:18:21.400 a really good day for me to make appointments 00:18:21.400 --> 00:18:23.480 to do other things because other people are working 00:18:23.480 --> 00:18:26.319 on Fridays. But then Saturdays can be a little 00:18:26.319 --> 00:18:28.200 bit more chill. I can sleep in a little bit. 00:18:28.279 --> 00:18:32.720 I can make plans to go out for a walk or to go 00:18:32.720 --> 00:18:35.640 have dinner with somebody or whatever sort of 00:18:35.640 --> 00:18:40.559 feels helpful and restful that week. Yeah. So 00:18:40.559 --> 00:18:44.099 when we think about Sabbath, it sounds really 00:18:44.099 --> 00:18:48.339 delightful. But what makes it so hard? Why do 00:18:48.339 --> 00:18:51.380 you think people struggle with the idea of having 00:18:51.380 --> 00:18:55.799 a Sabbath or practicing a Sabbath? Well, I think 00:18:55.799 --> 00:18:59.019 if you haven't grown up in a family where that's 00:18:59.019 --> 00:19:02.059 practiced, it almost seems like, what am I supposed 00:19:02.059 --> 00:19:05.400 to do with my time? Like, I remember it's funny 00:19:05.400 --> 00:19:09.279 because. I don't remember which of the deadly 00:19:09.279 --> 00:19:11.440 sins it was, but when we were doing the series 00:19:11.440 --> 00:19:14.700 on the deadly sins, one of them was talking about 00:19:14.700 --> 00:19:17.779 how we need to rest and what that looks like. 00:19:17.839 --> 00:19:20.400 And I remember listening to that and be like, 00:19:20.640 --> 00:19:24.400 does anyone really rest? Right. In that sense, 00:19:24.539 --> 00:19:27.660 does anyone really do that? Because we're so, 00:19:27.680 --> 00:19:31.240 again, we're so conditioned to. you know to be 00:19:31.240 --> 00:19:35.779 busy to be on the go again like our society celebrates 00:19:35.779 --> 00:19:39.220 people that are you know not you know that are 00:19:39.220 --> 00:19:43.640 like always working and always hustling and always 00:19:43.640 --> 00:19:47.299 making appointments and all these you know it's 00:19:47.299 --> 00:19:50.640 glorified in our in our society for sure to be 00:19:50.640 --> 00:19:53.240 able to say no you know and i'm going to take 00:19:53.240 --> 00:19:57.339 a rest you know because then you also get because 00:19:57.339 --> 00:19:59.500 then it's also easy for people to be like, Oh, 00:19:59.519 --> 00:20:03.220 you're just being lazy or why aren't you motivated 00:20:03.220 --> 00:20:07.599 or whatever, you know? But it's, you know, I 00:20:07.599 --> 00:20:11.059 think we, it is a good thing to be able to take 00:20:11.059 --> 00:20:13.980 a rest from the world. I mean, it can be exhausting. 00:20:14.279 --> 00:20:17.059 I mean, just even just getting on your phone 00:20:17.059 --> 00:20:19.900 and looking at on Facebook or Instagram or so 00:20:19.900 --> 00:20:22.900 it's mentally exhausting to be able to put all 00:20:22.900 --> 00:20:26.319 that away for a while and just be like, you know, 00:20:26.339 --> 00:20:29.259 and, you know, be reminded of God and remember, 00:20:29.460 --> 00:20:32.299 you know, his people and everything like that. 00:20:32.339 --> 00:20:36.859 I mean, it's, it's a lot, it's more, it's, it's 00:20:36.859 --> 00:20:38.960 more beneficial because it's, you know, we're 00:20:38.960 --> 00:20:41.940 not asking for, you know, spend all your time 00:20:41.940 --> 00:20:45.180 away from technology and all that, but you got 00:20:45.180 --> 00:20:49.019 to give yourself a break. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. 00:20:49.140 --> 00:20:50.980 What about you folks? When you think about like, 00:20:51.019 --> 00:20:53.559 what makes Sabbath hard? What comes to mind for 00:20:53.559 --> 00:20:59.529 you? To me, Sabbath is not that hard for me. 00:20:59.670 --> 00:21:03.549 Okay. You find it easy to rest and to take a 00:21:03.549 --> 00:21:09.289 break? Excuse me. I love myself. Okay. And I 00:21:09.289 --> 00:21:14.630 always work hard. So taking Sabbath is like a 00:21:14.630 --> 00:21:20.859 self -care for me. So time to... renew my mind, 00:21:21.079 --> 00:21:24.619 you know, to be at peace with God, to connect 00:21:24.619 --> 00:21:29.240 with God. And I know every day I read my scripture, 00:21:29.519 --> 00:21:33.940 I pray every day, but I find Sabbath day more 00:21:33.940 --> 00:21:38.559 profound in my life where I can connect to my 00:21:38.559 --> 00:21:44.210 family. And friends and also to my church community. 00:21:44.329 --> 00:21:48.910 Here we are now. We are here to worship God and 00:21:48.910 --> 00:21:52.349 to praise him for what he has done in our life. 00:21:52.690 --> 00:21:57.410 So Sabbath day is not an issue. Okay. For me. 00:21:57.529 --> 00:22:00.069 You find it really like motivating. Yeah. Okay. 00:22:00.109 --> 00:22:04.009 That's awesome. What about for you, Hugh? Well, 00:22:04.109 --> 00:22:07.789 I think it was at some point in my career because 00:22:07.789 --> 00:22:10.210 I was in the people business. Yeah. Social worker 00:22:10.210 --> 00:22:14.930 for over 40 years. And what happens when you're 00:22:14.930 --> 00:22:17.690 giving and giving and giving to others, you get 00:22:17.690 --> 00:22:20.509 compassion fatigue. And sometimes you're not 00:22:20.509 --> 00:22:23.750 aware that that's happening. And that's when 00:22:23.750 --> 00:22:27.849 you really need the Sabbath. And when I realized 00:22:27.849 --> 00:22:32.009 that and I could get back and restore my soul, 00:22:32.190 --> 00:22:39.099 restore my body, restore my heart, my mind. my 00:22:39.099 --> 00:22:42.500 compassion rose up again. It was like I was refueled. 00:22:42.500 --> 00:22:47.599 I was renewed. And I could go out there and be 00:22:47.599 --> 00:22:50.920 more compassionate again instead of being really 00:22:50.920 --> 00:22:54.099 tired. And, you know, there's a term that I really 00:22:54.099 --> 00:22:58.430 like. And you know that your compassion is restored 00:22:58.430 --> 00:23:00.630 when you go out there and you're excited about 00:23:00.630 --> 00:23:03.130 caring for others. It's kind of like a gorilla 00:23:03.130 --> 00:23:07.710 compassion. Right. You're meeting people on the 00:23:07.710 --> 00:23:09.809 highway and you're praying for them. Or you're 00:23:09.809 --> 00:23:12.410 in line at the grocery store and you're saying, 00:23:12.509 --> 00:23:14.589 oh, no, not again. You're not saying that. You're 00:23:14.589 --> 00:23:17.490 saying you're praying for the cashier. Right. 00:23:19.079 --> 00:23:22.359 And you're doing that kind of thing. That means 00:23:22.359 --> 00:23:25.880 you're renewed. Your compassion is on edge again. 00:23:26.079 --> 00:23:29.680 Right. But compassion fatigue is a real issue. 00:23:29.779 --> 00:23:33.539 It's a real issue for people and the professionals 00:23:33.539 --> 00:23:36.099 in the people business, especially. Yeah, yeah, 00:23:36.119 --> 00:23:39.680 yeah, for sure. And I think especially folks 00:23:39.680 --> 00:23:41.819 who work with people, like you said, like social 00:23:41.819 --> 00:23:44.279 workers or doctors or whoever, sometimes it can 00:23:44.279 --> 00:23:49.269 be really hard to leave work at work. Right. 00:23:49.349 --> 00:23:52.769 Like you can be like, OK, I need to take a break. 00:23:52.789 --> 00:23:54.490 But as I'm taking a break, what's going to happen 00:23:54.490 --> 00:23:57.750 to Bob or Sue or whoever? Right. And so, you 00:23:57.750 --> 00:24:00.289 know, making sure that you have trusted colleagues 00:24:00.289 --> 00:24:02.470 who can take that and like surrendering that 00:24:02.470 --> 00:24:05.049 to God in prayer in some way is really, really 00:24:05.049 --> 00:24:08.289 hard, but also like so important to be able to 00:24:08.289 --> 00:24:21.480 take that step back. I let things affect me emotionally 00:24:21.480 --> 00:24:26.319 that I was having too much stress. Despite I'm 00:24:26.319 --> 00:24:32.559 praying, but this issue is a prolonged issue 00:24:32.559 --> 00:24:38.140 and it was addressed. But when you're addressing 00:24:38.140 --> 00:24:42.960 an issue and the individual is still taunting 00:24:42.960 --> 00:24:47.000 you, taunting you, So it comes to a point that 00:24:47.000 --> 00:24:51.079 I almost have a cardiac arrest. Wow. That was 00:24:51.079 --> 00:24:54.140 last year, July. But I thank God for my life. 00:24:54.880 --> 00:24:58.839 I took some time off from work. I took three 00:24:58.839 --> 00:25:02.859 months off. But during that time, I bounced back 00:25:02.859 --> 00:25:07.079 again. Because it's like a solemn time for me, 00:25:07.160 --> 00:25:12.039 for reflection. take good care of myself so that 00:25:12.039 --> 00:25:15.259 time that three months time was like a self -care 00:25:15.259 --> 00:25:19.460 yeah time for me you know to renew right that 00:25:19.460 --> 00:25:21.940 was kind of forced upon you right yeah you know 00:25:21.940 --> 00:25:26.079 if we don't take care of ourselves right yeah 00:25:26.079 --> 00:25:29.400 it was a forced sabbatical Yeah. University professors 00:25:29.400 --> 00:25:32.400 have had sabbaticals for years. Right. And then 00:25:32.400 --> 00:25:34.900 some companies now are giving sabbaticals as 00:25:34.900 --> 00:25:37.099 well. They might be like three or four months 00:25:37.099 --> 00:25:40.019 or they might be six months. Yeah. But they see 00:25:40.019 --> 00:25:44.019 the value now. Not enough for doing it. For sure. 00:25:44.240 --> 00:25:47.240 But I think it's important. Yes. Yeah. I think 00:25:47.240 --> 00:25:49.940 the other challenging thing about Sabbath is. 00:25:50.519 --> 00:25:54.539 If you don't live by yourself, you really need 00:25:54.539 --> 00:25:56.640 to get your, like, whoever's in your household 00:25:56.640 --> 00:25:59.519 on board with this idea of Sapna. Right. Right? 00:25:59.519 --> 00:26:01.740 Because it does... If you're going to do it for 00:26:01.740 --> 00:26:04.579 a whole day, it changes that day. Right. You 00:26:04.579 --> 00:26:06.859 can't be like, oh, I just don't want to parent 00:26:06.859 --> 00:26:08.920 today because it's my Sabbath from parenting. 00:26:09.339 --> 00:26:13.500 Right. Or like, oh, well, you know, I'm not going 00:26:13.500 --> 00:26:15.079 to cook dinner and we're just going to we're 00:26:15.079 --> 00:26:17.920 all going to fast today because I'm Sabbath thing. 00:26:18.019 --> 00:26:20.359 Right. Like or whatever it is, like you need 00:26:20.359 --> 00:26:23.079 to get your household on board and be like, OK, 00:26:23.160 --> 00:26:27.319 what works for us, for our family, for our living 00:26:27.319 --> 00:26:32.299 situation so that we can do. this together and 00:26:32.299 --> 00:26:35.039 that can be hard but like i would say that's 00:26:35.039 --> 00:26:37.700 a really important conversation to sort of have 00:26:37.700 --> 00:26:40.339 and it helps because if you can establish with 00:26:40.339 --> 00:26:43.579 your family early on then when they go out into 00:26:43.579 --> 00:26:46.660 the world it's easier for them to sure to try 00:26:46.660 --> 00:26:48.900 to keep the sabbath and understand what the sabbath 00:26:48.900 --> 00:26:53.920 looks like to them yeah for sure for sure yeah 00:26:53.920 --> 00:26:56.829 so we've talked about some of the joy and the 00:26:56.829 --> 00:26:59.730 rest and the benefits you know of compassion 00:26:59.730 --> 00:27:02.230 fatigue and then you know having this renewed 00:27:02.230 --> 00:27:04.809 sense of compassion time for rest and connection 00:27:04.809 --> 00:27:07.269 are there other things that when you think about 00:27:07.269 --> 00:27:10.009 like the joys of sabbath that come to mind for 00:27:10.009 --> 00:27:14.630 you anything else you wanted to add elizabeth 00:27:14.630 --> 00:27:21.150 you know like The joyful part of it is coming 00:27:21.150 --> 00:27:24.849 to church, you know. Okay, yeah. To set certain 00:27:24.849 --> 00:27:31.789 hours apart for God to worship with other church 00:27:31.789 --> 00:27:38.109 community. And, you know, our God is King of 00:27:38.109 --> 00:27:42.390 Kings and Lord of Lords. So, you know, I look 00:27:42.390 --> 00:27:46.359 at myself. I'm a daughter of Zion, so I'm here 00:27:46.359 --> 00:27:50.059 to worship God, you know, and to fellowship with 00:27:50.059 --> 00:27:54.240 my church community. And after, you know, the 00:27:54.240 --> 00:28:00.660 joyful part of it is sometimes Sunday when I'm 00:28:00.660 --> 00:28:04.079 off, either my daughter and her children come 00:28:04.079 --> 00:28:09.720 to me, you know, to just enjoy ourselves, or 00:28:09.720 --> 00:28:15.240 I go there to visit. So that's... a joyful part 00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:19.240 of my life to connect with my church community 00:28:19.240 --> 00:28:25.740 to my friends and my fellow family members yeah 00:28:25.740 --> 00:28:30.269 and I think if if you're able to take a sabbath 00:28:30.269 --> 00:28:32.769 on sunday and sort of come to church that's awesome 00:28:32.769 --> 00:28:34.890 like definitely encourage that if that's like 00:28:34.890 --> 00:28:37.430 not possible for whatever reason then like maybe 00:28:37.430 --> 00:28:39.589 you take your sabbath around the same time as 00:28:39.589 --> 00:28:41.970 you like meet with a small group of people or 00:28:41.970 --> 00:28:44.309 maybe you just like make extra time in that sabbath 00:28:44.309 --> 00:28:47.569 to like you know re -watch the sunday service 00:28:47.569 --> 00:28:50.089 or like listen to some worship music like making 00:28:50.089 --> 00:28:52.769 that time for gathering and that sort of thing 00:28:53.579 --> 00:28:55.900 Yeah. So then when you think about Sabbath, what 00:28:55.900 --> 00:28:58.220 are some like practical tips, some things that 00:28:58.220 --> 00:29:01.759 people can do to really help them get into this 00:29:01.759 --> 00:29:04.380 practice and structure it well in their lives? 00:29:04.519 --> 00:29:08.200 What would you have to add, Hugh? I would say 00:29:08.200 --> 00:29:11.500 just schedule it. Okay. Yeah. You know, it's 00:29:11.500 --> 00:29:14.799 very, very basic, but I guess if you don't, if 00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:16.640 you don't plan it, if you don't schedule it, 00:29:16.660 --> 00:29:19.059 it's not going to happen. Yeah. But so schedule, 00:29:19.259 --> 00:29:21.859 let's say next week I have Wednesday and Wednesday 00:29:21.859 --> 00:29:24.299 is going to be a Sabbath. Right. Or Sunday or 00:29:24.299 --> 00:29:27.380 whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Schedule. Make a plan. 00:29:27.799 --> 00:29:31.900 For sure. Yeah. What else would you add? I would 00:29:31.900 --> 00:29:34.839 say you kind of almost have to treat the Sabbath 00:29:34.839 --> 00:29:39.119 like making like a healthy lifestyle choice where, 00:29:39.180 --> 00:29:42.160 you know, where they say like, like instead of 00:29:42.160 --> 00:29:45.099 just getting rid of an unhealthy item. Right. 00:29:45.240 --> 00:29:48.049 And going cold turkey, you know. Yeah. You replace 00:29:48.049 --> 00:29:50.630 it with something else. Sure. So if you're going 00:29:50.630 --> 00:29:53.470 to get rid of the technology for a while, what 00:29:53.470 --> 00:29:56.049 are you replacing it with? Sure. And I mean, 00:29:56.069 --> 00:29:59.970 if anything, I mean, start small. Like, can you 00:29:59.970 --> 00:30:02.170 go to church service without looking at your 00:30:02.170 --> 00:30:05.289 phone? Right. Do you need to even bring your 00:30:05.289 --> 00:30:07.670 phone for church service? Sure. Right. You know? 00:30:07.690 --> 00:30:10.910 Yeah. So it's just, you know, like anything, 00:30:11.029 --> 00:30:14.730 you start small and see how it goes. Again, it's 00:30:14.730 --> 00:30:19.059 not. Especially, I think, my generation and younger, 00:30:19.500 --> 00:30:24.460 we grew up with the Internet and phones and games 00:30:24.460 --> 00:30:29.259 and all of this technology, all this distraction 00:30:29.259 --> 00:30:32.960 and escapism. We have to sort of reprogram ourselves 00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:36.519 to be able to be like, you know, being at church, 00:30:36.680 --> 00:30:39.980 being with Christians, being, you know, reading 00:30:39.980 --> 00:30:43.000 scripture. This is all things that we should 00:30:43.000 --> 00:30:45.690 be filling our times with. Right. And even if 00:30:45.690 --> 00:30:48.890 it's for one day, at least it helps to know that 00:30:48.890 --> 00:30:53.509 we don't have to 100 % rely on technology. Yeah, 00:30:53.650 --> 00:30:56.309 for sure. For sure. What about you, Elizabeth? 00:30:56.809 --> 00:31:00.670 As for me, you know, Sabbath day, according to 00:31:00.670 --> 00:31:05.690 the scripture, to keep it holy. So we should 00:31:05.690 --> 00:31:11.150 keep it holy, then come and worship at church, 00:31:11.349 --> 00:31:16.900 then avoid shopping. You know, do something good 00:31:16.900 --> 00:31:21.079 that will benefit the individuals on Sabbath 00:31:21.079 --> 00:31:27.240 day. Like before the COVID, we used to do like 00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:38.289 travel light. We visit hospital. Long -time care, 00:31:38.490 --> 00:31:41.990 you facilitate all those things. We go there 00:31:41.990 --> 00:31:49.170 to sing worship songs for them. It's like a small 00:31:49.170 --> 00:31:53.410 worship group that we go around the community 00:31:53.410 --> 00:32:00.430 to do for the people that are... uh elderly and 00:32:00.430 --> 00:32:03.549 all that that even some people that can come 00:32:03.549 --> 00:32:09.009 to church so we offer them um worship song and 00:32:09.009 --> 00:32:14.210 all that so do something profitable for the for 00:32:14.210 --> 00:32:18.470 the body of christ it's a great rewarding to 00:32:18.470 --> 00:32:23.529 be doing you know so after after i leave church 00:32:23.529 --> 00:32:28.309 now i'm going to visit some individuals in the 00:32:28.309 --> 00:32:35.349 community. So sometimes that is the way I spend 00:32:35.349 --> 00:32:39.549 my Sabbath day if my daughter doesn't call me 00:32:39.549 --> 00:32:42.750 or I don't go and visit them. So I do something 00:32:42.750 --> 00:32:48.160 then later in the evening I come back. eat my 00:32:48.160 --> 00:32:52.400 special meal for Sunday and relax. Yeah. Yeah. 00:32:52.460 --> 00:32:54.779 So like making time for other people and for 00:32:54.779 --> 00:32:58.019 serving people. Um, and I think that's, that's 00:32:58.019 --> 00:33:00.480 really helpful and important. If that's something 00:33:00.480 --> 00:33:02.500 that feels like really life -giving to you, I 00:33:02.500 --> 00:33:04.720 think to go back to what Hugh had said about 00:33:04.720 --> 00:33:07.039 like compassion fatigue, some there for some 00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:08.880 people that will be really awesome. Like to have 00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:11.400 times to serve and to be with people for other 00:33:11.400 --> 00:33:13.920 people. Doing more volunteering on the Sabbath 00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:16.700 is not actually going to be restful, right? And 00:33:16.700 --> 00:33:19.299 so making sure that you know what will work for 00:33:19.299 --> 00:33:23.019 you. The other thing that you had mentioned earlier 00:33:23.019 --> 00:33:25.440 in the week, Hugh, was this idea of beginning 00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:29.400 and ending your Sabbath really well. Yeah, do 00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:31.019 you want to say a little bit more about that? 00:33:33.799 --> 00:33:38.950 Yeah, I think... But scheduling it, for one thing, 00:33:38.970 --> 00:33:42.950 is the beginning of thinking about it. And then 00:33:42.950 --> 00:33:47.890 once you get into it, especially you wake up 00:33:47.890 --> 00:33:51.009 in the morning, you say, okay, this is my day 00:33:51.009 --> 00:33:57.470 that will be life -giving. I like your term, 00:33:57.569 --> 00:34:03.000 life -giving. And so how do I structure my day 00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:06.500 so that it is life -giving? So maybe, yes, I 00:34:06.500 --> 00:34:10.179 put my phone aside. Or maybe I read a book that 00:34:10.179 --> 00:34:13.380 I've been wanting to read for a long time that 00:34:13.380 --> 00:34:18.639 I know will pamper my soul, will give me strength, 00:34:18.679 --> 00:34:25.059 will be inspirational. And then maybe there's 00:34:25.059 --> 00:34:29.239 someone I want to spend time with. And I do that 00:34:29.239 --> 00:34:34.519 during. And that's kind of the beginning of thinking 00:34:34.519 --> 00:34:37.820 about it. And then kind of going through your 00:34:37.820 --> 00:34:42.619 day doing that. And then ending it. I think a 00:34:42.619 --> 00:34:46.840 really powerful way for me, and I think for many 00:34:46.840 --> 00:34:52.280 people, is ending the Sabbath with. with gratitude, 00:34:52.460 --> 00:34:56.340 you know, thanking God for all the good things 00:34:56.340 --> 00:35:00.179 that are in your life. And many people don't 00:35:00.179 --> 00:35:06.300 realize how many good things are in our lives. 00:35:06.400 --> 00:35:09.380 You know, I mean, you asked, I used to do this 00:35:09.380 --> 00:35:13.460 exercise in groups and ask people to write down 00:35:13.460 --> 00:35:17.690 a list of things that they're grateful for. They 00:35:17.690 --> 00:35:19.949 would, you know, they would list 10, 15, 20. 00:35:20.210 --> 00:35:23.110 They started out by thinking, oh, I'm not sure 00:35:23.110 --> 00:35:26.250 what I'm grateful for. Once you get going. Yeah, 00:35:26.309 --> 00:35:28.869 for sure. I think finishing off with gratitude. 00:35:28.989 --> 00:35:31.789 Yeah, that's good. Yeah, for sure. So sometimes 00:35:31.789 --> 00:35:35.010 Sabbath is not necessarily resting, but at least 00:35:35.010 --> 00:35:37.840 at the very least. Doing things that will please 00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:39.940 God. Doing things that will please God and that 00:35:39.940 --> 00:35:42.679 will bring a sense of peace and comfort to your 00:35:42.679 --> 00:35:46.019 soul. Right. Right. And that will look different 00:35:46.019 --> 00:35:48.639 for different people. But really, yeah, I think 00:35:48.639 --> 00:35:50.619 the phrase I keep going back to is what will 00:35:50.619 --> 00:35:53.360 be life giving for me? What will fill me up? 00:35:53.500 --> 00:35:56.440 I like that. I like that. Yeah. And that's what 00:35:56.440 --> 00:35:59.440 makes a Sabbath. Yeah. Thank you so much, folks, 00:35:59.519 --> 00:36:01.300 for unpacking this a little bit with us. Thank 00:36:01.300 --> 00:36:04.280 you for tuning in to this week's episode of Trinity 00:36:04.280 --> 00:36:06.199 Talks. I hope that you are able. to find things 00:36:06.199 --> 00:36:09.219 that are life giving to your soul and make some 00:36:09.219 --> 00:36:11.659 really intentional space for that in the week 00:36:11.659 --> 00:36:13.800 ahead. And we will see you again next week.