Hello, everyone, and welcome to this week's episode
of Trinity Talks. My name is Kyla. I'm Melissa.
I'm Britten. And we are here to chat about the
Beatitudes, which is kind of a funny word, actually.
I don't really know what it means. I am going
to assume it's Latin, but maybe... Good question.
Maybe we should have looked that up, but we didn't.
Anyway, we're talking about the Beatitudes because
they start off... the Sermon on the Mount, which
is this really important teaching that Jesus
has in the middle of Matthew's gospel. And they
say some really cool things. I'm actually really
excited to sort of dive into this over the next
few weeks together. Yeah, so before we jump into
that, the Beatitudes, like I said, it's kind
of a funny word, but like, as a whole, it's this
sort of going through, you know, blessed are
the blank. because this sort of thing. That's
sort of the structure of them. But yeah, what
are your thoughts on the Beatitudes as a whole?
I've always sort of thought of them as, yeah,
this series of phrases that's really interesting,
but not... Like just like nice right and not
like as I've started diving into them now I've
been a little bit more like oh, this is actually
super like countercultural in some ways But yeah,
that's not always where I've sort of started.
I don't know about you folks Hmm. Yeah, I would
say for me like it's almost felt like the upside
down, but in a positive light. If you watch Stranger
Things, then upside down is a bad thing. But
it's like what you were saying. It's this reversal.
So if being rich or wealthy is a positive thing,
Jesus is saying, well, no, the poor. That's when,
if we look at a surface level, there's these
reversals in the order of our time. That's how
I've seen it, this flipping of tables. Yeah,
cool. What about you, Melissa? I completely agree.
When I was still a baby Christian, I'm still
a baby Christian, but I remember reading them
and just thinking they were so cool because it
was just really cool to see Jesus. really focus
on the compassionate part. And I think it's so
comforting for people who are going through really
difficult times, who are experiencing grief.
And I agree. It's definitely representative of
the upside down kingdom that Jesus is bringing.
Yeah. Yeah. And it's this moment where like Jesus
is sort of calling out the like, oh, you thought
this was important? No, actually, it's like this.
Yeah. Yeah, so this word blessed or blessed,
I don't know, depends on the sort of way that
you want to say that word. Which version are
we going to use? But so blessed shows up in all
of these verses, it sort of opens it up. So blessed
are the poor in spirit, for example, is the first
one. But so when you hear this word blessed,
like what comes to mind for you? I would say
that initially when you first, you know, hear
the word blessed, it's like, you know, blessed
are the poor, et cetera. You would think that,
oh, that means that I won't be for them. That
means that I won't be hurting. But in reality,
when I think over time I've learned that blessed
means that God is with you and even if in your
present situation you're still feeling that grief,
you're still feeling that pain, you are blessed
because God has deemed you blessed. Right. Yeah.
Yeah, and I would agree. I would totally agree.
I see blessed as like this covering. So, regardless
of what status, because some of the things that
we see within the Beatitudes are things that
we would consider completely negative. Right.
but you still see God or Jesus saying that there
is this blessing that is over them. So despite
of what they're going through, despite the opposition
that might come with being a child of God and
following the ways of Jesus, there is this covering,
there's this protection that's hovering over
you. feel the force of that cocoon or something
that you're in. Yeah, and it was interesting,
like, Melissa, you said, like, if we're talking
about, you know, blessed are the poor in spirit,
for example, one might think, oh, blessed are
the poor so that they will not become poor anymore,
right? But then that's not what Jesus is about
at all, right? Yeah, so it's like a completely
different, like, it's not like you can look at
someone and say, oh, they're blessed, like in
the same sense that Jesus is like talking about.
I would even say like there's this, because it's
like blessed are the poor in spirit. And what
is it? Is it they will inherit? Yeah, they will
inherit the kingdom of God. I think that's fascinating
because one like blessed like present tense,
you are blessed for being poor or because you're
poor or whatever, however we want to put it.
Yeah. But there's so you're protected in the
now, but you'll inherit something even greater.
So you might not have all that the world is offering
to you. But there is, while you have this protection,
this protection is going to keep you until you
can inherit what is to come. What is already
here, but what also is to come. So this like
this covering is beyond just like this present
tense protection. It's also like the pathway
to get to that greater thing, which is the kingdom.
Yeah. I'm just thinking out loud. I'm just thinking
out loud. No, no, I love that. I love that. I
completely agree because I think sometimes just
like in this life that we live, we only really
think about right now. However, there is an eternity
that's waiting, right? And ultimately that's
what matters more. Like one day all of this will
disappear, will not matter at all. And so I think
the Beatitudes are really cool because they really
show the amazing things that are going to be
there once this world passes away. And I think
Jesus really puts our focus on that. And I think
it helps us to remember that as well. Yeah, totally.
Yeah, it's interesting. So I was. as we're thinking
about the Beatitudes, I was listening to the
other podcast by The Bible Project that talks
about the Beatitudes. And when they're talking
about the word blessed, in their very specific
translation that they've made, they don't say
blessed, they say the good life. So the good
life is for the poor in spirit. And the way that
they sort of describe it is like, if you were
like walking along the street and you see somebody
who's like, living the good life. You're like,
oh, they've got this nice car or like, oh, they're
like, they've got it all put together. They're
living the good life. And that's what Jesus is
talking about. Yeah. But looking at the poor
in spirit or the like those who mourn and say
like the upside down, that's the good life. Even
though we would look at that and be like, nah,
that's not the like when I imagine the good life
for myself, like that's not what it's about.
Right. Exactly. And something I just love about
the Beatitudes is because they focus on the marginalized,
the people that society back then and even now
cast aside. And I think it's really powerful
that Jesus did acknowledge that and didn't ignore
them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no, it's super interesting
that. Yeah, it's it's all of these people, all
of these things, like I said, that we. don't
think of as good, but Jesus sees something good
in it. And I guess then like, you would wanna
sort of make a distinction and say like, okay,
the poor in spirit, maybe we should talk. So
what does that mean? Like, are we talking about
a material poverty? Are we talking about? a spiritual
poverty, like in Rob's sermon that he just gave,
he talked about, you know, the poor in spirit
being like about humility, kind of, right? And
about this willingness to come to God and acknowledge
that like, we're not enough, we don't have enough.
And I think that's part of it. But yeah, I don't
know, what do you folks think? How does those
pieces play together? I think there can be a
tendency for, especially within our context,
there's this, there could be a tendency for us
to want to just stick with the poor in spirit
and talk about it from a spiritual angle and
not talk about it from a material angle. Because
it keeps, there's something comforting in knowing
that I can have all the worldly success and get
all the material things I want. And all I have
to do is be meek and mild and just my heart needs
to be good, God, not the other things around
me. But I think there is this bigger question
of Being poor is to not have certain things,
right? And what is God asking us to let go, to
be poor, to be spiritually poor? And when in
that spiritual poorness, what are the material
things I need to let go of so that I can hang
on to God and I can inherit that kingdom? So,
how do I dedicate my time? How do I dedicate
my resources? These are the kinds of questions
I think we should be asking ourselves when we
talk about Poor? Like, we're not talking about
a poverty of, like, in order for us to be Christian
or to follow Jesus in the way that He's outlined
in the Beatitudes, that we need to now, like,
go live in an encampment. I don't think that's
what God is necessarily talking about. Sure.
But that spiritual poverty, I think it does open
us up to realizing what matters in life and how
we can ... unlock that kingdom mindset within
our lives. And it does impact the things that
we have, the physical things, of course. It's
interesting because the first time I ever read
that Beatitude, the first thing I thought was
people who maybe just go are... Going through
depression people are who are going through a
really down and difficult time, you know They're
poor in spirit. And so it's kind of like, you
know what they're lacking is just a feeling of
joy appeal a feeling of of comfort. However,
that's why, you know, I love the Beatitudes because
what you're seeing is like, you know, those people,
they aren't cast aside. Those people, they aren't
being forgotten. Jesus is remembering the marginalized
people of society and saying that they do have
a place in his kingdom. I really love what you
said, Britt, too, as well about how really the
poor in spirit, you know, that can be just, yeah,
they, you may lack some of like the worldly things
like, you know, You are humble. You do not have
pride. You do not have those things. And maybe
that does mean you have to surrender so much
of yourself to God. However, it's worth it because
you will inherit the kingdom and yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. I think it's like the poor in spirit is
this like big complex thing, but I think it sort
of encapsulates all of these pieces, right? There
is that sense of spiritual poverty, humility,
then, like, like you said, Britt, it does connect
then to, yeah, how we relate to the actual physical
stuff of the world. And I think you're also right,
like, there's a psychological and emotional component
to it as well, right? That like, you know, Was
Jesus thinking about mental illness and that
sort of thing? Maybe, maybe not, but I think
it fits. I think there's a very real sense that
folks who are struggling in that way can feel
a poverty of their spirit. Especially if we think
of spirit in a broad sense of your life. right?
And you're just like, feeling alive, feeling
energized, feeling like, you know, ready to like
be part of the world. And if you're feeling poor
in that, then like, Jesus is like, no, you're,
you're okay. So then, if we're thinking about
that, and Jesus is saying, okay, all of this,
if you're feeling not okay, you're actually,
you're doing okay. Does that I think we need
to be careful to say that, like, that doesn't
mean that those things are inherently good. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? Like, it's this, like,
fine line. Yeah, because people will look at
folks and see them in their, like... And because
there's two extremes, right? They have, like,
the prosperity gospel that pushes that you need
to be super wealthy. But then you have another
extreme where folks will say that you need to
be without everything. Right. And... I think
there is a balance, there's a wisdom that comes
in line, but really it's where we're talking
about the heart, right? And the heart, out of
the heart. There are things that come out of
that. But yeah, that extreme, I think that there's
lots of danger there. So be mindful of that because
there's this very dark world where folks will
abuse people and whatnot because they're trying
to get to this true poverty and this glorification
of poverty. Right. Which is really disheartening
and also disrespectful to folks that are experiencing
real poverty. Right. And don't want to live in
that because of the consequences that come with
that type of, with those types of circumstances.
Yeah. Yeah, no, for sure. And I would also say
that you're right, you know, those things, they
are not inherent. inherently good and it's important
to remember that you know whether you're coming
in because you are struggling with depression
you're just down you're going through grief really
painful um period in your life or you're coming
in with like humility and so many other things
a lot of that it's it's not like you chose that
you know it's not like you're coming in and being
like I am choosing to be poor in spirit so that
I inherit a kingdom. I think a lot of times it's
people who are coming from a place that they
didn't choose to be and they're really struggling
and they're suffering. I really believe that
Jesus is offering comfort in that and I agree
because with what you said, Britt, that there's
a middle and whether you're going from the prosperity
gospel or whether you're going from the nothing
at all gospel, The problem with those two is
because you're putting all the focus on yourself.
You're putting on the focus on like what you're
doing. And ultimately, no, it's always going
to be just Jesus, always going to be Jesus. So
I think people are going to be coming from a
place where they're not having, they don't have
full control and the pain and just what they're
going through. And Jesus is like saying, like,
I see you and I have a space for you in my kingdom.
And yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I think here it becomes
really important to think about Like, yes, how
this plays out in our world, but also, like,
who was Jesus initially talking to, right? Because
he's out on this mount, in this sort of field,
out in the middle of nowhere, probably, right?
And the people who are coming to him are, like,
the shepherds. They are the people who are materially
poor, the people who are in need of physical
healing, the people who, like... feel disenfranchised
and fed up with this Roman empire that they are
living in. So there are all kinds of ways in
which those are the poor in spirit. Those are
the people who are powerless. Those are the people
who have nothing and would wish for a different
life. They didn't choose any of those things.
But Jesus is saying you get to be part of the
kingdom anyway, in the midst of all of that.
And I guess the part that we should like hang
on to, especially when we talk about the kingdom,
is that the kingdom is, it's like, it's past,
present, and future, right? So there's this insane
that you're inheriting the kingdom. There is
something that will change in your life now.
There is, you are going to experience the kingdom.
And I think that in the ways that we usher it
in as Christians, it comes through the things
that we advocate for, the way that we treat people
in the here and now, how we prioritize our resources,
how we allocate those. Those are the types of
things that usher in the kingdom, but also reveal
the kingdom to people. Because those folks that
were listening to that, yeah, they were definitely
downtrodden and they were stuck in a system that
was disenfranchising them. And what we see within
the church, the early church, is that The system
that they brought in, the way that they went
about living life, showed something so radically
different, that the kingdom was revealed to so
many people. I remember reading, I can't remember
which Roman leader it was. He was persecuting
Christians and he just couldn't, he was just
shook. He's like, I don't even know what to do.
I don't even know how to fulfill my orders because
these people are just essentially loving on other
people. They're like... sharing all their stuff,
like, why are they doing this? I think he got
to a point where he's writing a letter to his
superior and his superior can't, he's trying
to ask his superior, why are you giving me these
orders to persecute these people who are doing
something that we ourselves wouldn't do? Like
they are just caring for people in this. what
would be conceived as like a bizarre way of doing
it because they were they were literally like
selling all the things that they had giving all
the resources they had to make sure that everyone
in their community was protected and that is
something that We don't see too often in our
world, but it is Australian and of kingdom. So,
there's like that past, present, future, like
that's something I think we should, because many
times there are traditions that focus so much
on the future. They're like, they're waiting
for the world to just be exploded so that something
new can come. And God bless you, but the gospel
means nothing if it doesn't do anything now.
It has to free us from something now. There has
to be something that is bigger than just what
we're hoping for. We're hoping for something,
but we also can hold on to something that is
here with us in this moment. Yeah, I can go on
about that a lot. Yeah, no, that's so good. Yeah,
yeah. And I really like what you said, Britt,
about how, you know, it's not just about the
future, it's also about the past, it's also about
the present. Because when you look at the Beatitudes,
it says, you know, Poor in spirit for they will
inherit the kingdom or you know those who mourn
for they will be comforted. I believe that you
know For you know the second part of all the
Beatitudes ultimately what that is is you're
getting God You know like you can be with God
and have God and ultimately as Christians right
now You know we're not sitting here being like
okay one day We will see you know be with God
and inherit the kingdom ultimately God is within
us right now He gave us a Holy Spirit right we
can pray and talk to Jesus at any point and I
think that's y 'all are just focusing on the
present as well and i also wanted to say too
that ultimately the kingdom forgiveness, salvation,
all of that is a gift. And I think with the Beatitudes,
sometimes you might come in thinking, okay, so
I have to be in a really painful, sad part of
my life so that I can get good things. And it's
like, well, no, like Jesus isn't saying you have
to do that so that you can gain His grace or
forgiveness. It's already given to you. More
so it's just that. you know, coming to God and
surrendering to Him. And I do feel that if you
are someone who is poor in spirit, ultimately,
it's not a fun place to be in. No one wants to
be poor in spirit. At the same time, I do think
that puts your heart in a position where you
are more willing to rely on God and surrender
to God versus being rich in spirit. You might
just rely on yourself. You really have to rely
on God when you're poor in spirit. Yeah, yeah.
And I think, like, the example you were talking
about, you know, of the early church, there is,
like, you know, sharing of all of their material
resources, like is a way of being poor in spirit,
but it's happening not because they feel like,
oh, I need to be poor in spirit, therefore I
need to do x, y, z things. It's like, no, no.
As followers of Jesus, living in a community
of followers of Jesus, this is the stuff that
we do. Yeah, we care. We care. And by caring,
yes, it looks like being poor in spirit, and
yes, it looks like giving up some of my hold
on material things, but I'm not doing it to try
and accomplish a particular state. It's just
like, okay, maybe that's just a byproduct of
following Jesus, is that we become poor in spirit.
There's like this reconciliation part, right?
Because you have all these people, you have people
who are coming, like people coming from different
cultures, people coming from different regions
across the, I guess, the Middle East. And then
you also have folks that are coming from folks
that are wealthy and folks that are poor, folks
that are in the middle, folks that were soldiers,
folks that were XYZ, folks that were a part of
Judaism, folks that weren't, you've all these
people coming together. And there's, there's
also this, like this breaking down of the system,
breaking down of systems or of social class and
of order, like things that are things that would
people who wouldn't have sat down with other
people before sitting down with people and having
a meal. They're sharing maybe the wealth that
they acquired from God knows how, that might
have been from the backs of other people. Now
they're able to sit with those people and share
and do that reconciliation work of making things
right. That is, I don't know, I think to myself
all the time. How do I actually make that happen
in our world? How do I participate in that in
a real tangible way that reveals Christ to people?
Maybe they never hear the word. Maybe I never
mentioned Jesus, but they feel the presence of
the Spirit and they feel a different way. Yeah.
Yeah. There has to be a different way. And we
have to be able to, we can't just talk about
it. We have to show that to people. Yeah. I really,
that's like, I think something that Christians
sometimes can forget and I often forget too is
that you know it's great to kind of sit and think
like I want to do this I want to be this kind
of person this kind of Christian but talk is
talk and if you can't actually show that through
actions then What was the point of, you know,
that talking? And perhaps that's how people inherit
the kingdom right now, because ultimately, you
know, there isn't like just one temple or church,
like there was, you know, back, oh, there is
one church, we are the church. There wasn't like
one temple where that's the only way that people
would be able to be in the presence of God. Like
we are like moving dynamic. Temples of God because
this is how people can Experience crisis through
us. We are the light. We are the light on the
hill. I yeah, okay and Perhaps yeah, like we
as Christians we can go to the poor in spirit
and we can be those ambassadors for Christ and
we can show them the kingdom just here on earth
and I think I like what you said, Britt, about
how do we show them Christ? Ultimately, you can
preach the gospel every single day, and people,
what they'll remember is you preaching at them,
but they'll never forget how you made them feel,
right? So if you're coming at them with love
and compassion, they'll remember that, they'll
keep on to that, and they'll be like, this is
Jesus, and now I want to know who Jesus is. I
think the other important thing to sort of add
on to this conversation as we talk about, you
know, the kingdom of God and how we participate
in that is that, yes, we participate in it, but
we don't actually make it happen. Right? Like,
yes, we do the things that Jesus calls us to
do, but ultimately, it still does depend. It
is God's kingdom. God does the stuff. We're just
like the vessels through which that happens,
right? There's this passage. I don't remember
the name of the passage, but it's Who is it?
Paul talking to one of our camera who it is,
but he says it is. It's not like there was this
obsession with with Paul at the time and folks
were trying to get to. Oh, right. Yeah. I follow
Paul. Yeah. I follow people like that. So this
analogy of like growing, right? Yeah. It's like
you could water. You do this. You do that. But
it's God who makes it grow. We all have a role
to play and there's this participation in the
kingdom, but it's all God. It's all God. Like.
Even if we don't cry out or we don't do what
we need to do, God will find a way. The rocks,
the trees, the nature will cry out for God if
we won't do it. It's all God. It's all God. So
it's an honor, it's a privilege to be able to
be aware of what God is doing and then to participate
in that action. Yeah, exactly. That's really
beautifully put that ultimately it's all God.
even though as Christians, you know, we can plant
the seed, we can go out and, you know, share
the word and be kind and loving to other people,
but ultimately it's all God and His will will
always prevail. Yeah, yeah. So good. Yeah, I
guess I just think about all of these things,
like if we bring it all together, like blessed
are the poor in spirit, but they will like inherit
the kingdom of God. And I think what we've sort
of said is like the poor in spirit is all kinds
of folks, right? Like whether it is a material
poverty, like psychological, emotional poverty,
poverty of spirit, whatever that looks like for
you, it's all of us, right? And we don't have
to go seeking that. It just happens because life
happens. And so I think we all find ourselves
there at some point. And even if it's not like,
Like, even for folks who, like, sit in a seat
of relative privilege, like, I think following
the way of Jesus will ultimately lead you into
poverty of spirit, whether you, like, find yourself
naturally there or not. You might have all of
that money, but you're still suffering inside.
Some people have so much and they're suffering,
they're suffering. So, yeah, like, that poverty
is so wide and so vast. Yeah. It's... Yeah. But...
Jesus meets us there and says this is good. This
is okay. You know, this is actually the way of
Jesus in the midst of that And through that in
the present and into the future we receive the
kingdom of God Which is mind -blowing actually.
It's pretty cool stuff yeah so when you think
about like receiving the kingdom of God we sort
of talked about this like it is this thing that
we sort of do in the present but like what does
that look like for the pouring spirit if you
were yeah what does it look like right now to
receive the kingdom of God and also then to like
wait for it because it is this like now and not
yet mm -hmm right I think there is at least part
of it goes back to I think part of what you said
before was like this like gathering around a
table together yeah and some of that like yeah
like reparations and reconciliation that happens
at that table I I think something that you know
maybe another way we can also look at the poor
in spirit as well is people who may feel a lot
of shame and guilt and feel downtrodden by their
sin and by the things that they've done and now
they're holding on to that and they're carrying
that and perhaps when they give their life to
Jesus and surrender to Jesus and Jesus says you
know has forgiven you of your sins perhaps that's
a way that people do inherit the kingdom because
they are feeling that freedom, you know, they're
being broken from the chains of their sin, the
chains of their guilt and their shame. So perhaps
that's one way to look at it. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
no, for sure. This whole conversation is reminding
me of my last year of undergrad. My phone broke
on the screen. It was like, I think it was Lent.
And our campus pastor had told us to like, you
know, for Lent, give up something outside of
just like food and sugar. Give up something.
And I had said I wanted to reduce my time for
like social media and Netflix and all that stuff.
And I was struggling with it. And then my phone
just like conked. The screen went... The Holy
Spirit intervened. Yeah. I was like, I know you're
not going to do it. So the phone just like, yeah,
it went black. And I was in Alberta, central
Alberta, the closest spot for us to go to get
our phone. Like I was like... I could see cows
from my campus. So like, the closest spot to
get like to get my phone like repaired or to
get a new one was like an hour drive where I
didn't have a car. I had to wait for someone
else to drive me. And I spent this like, I guess
a couple of days without a phone. And I saw well
why no one could call me. I couldn't get onto
social media like I was struggling. I couldn't
like message people except I'm going onto my
laptop and browser work is just ugly. So I wasn't
doing it. And I found I had this like something
opened up in my time. Something opened up in
like in prayer and in just being like being aware
of myself, but also being aware of God's presence
around me. And I thank God for breaking up that
phone. Like, because if I didn't have that opportunity,
I wouldn't have been aware of what I needed to
be aware of, what God was calling me to pay attention
to. And it set me up for something that was,
I guess it set me up for the rest of my life,
because it really did center me in a way that
I didn't know I needed to be. um and so I guess
what I'm saying is like sometimes in the decrease
of, or even maybe the distress or the challenge
that we're going through, there can be an opportunity.
And I say this with the caveat of God was in
the mix. God has to be in the mix. Some people
go through really dark things and God is not
in the mix, or they are not aware of the presence
of God. And that just leads even further down
into distress. Because at one point I was like,
oh my gosh, I don't have my phone. I don't have
my phone. What am I gonna do with my life? And
then I was like, wait, I don't have my phone.
I don't have my phone. Okay, I can pray. I can
do that Bible study. I've said I was supposed
to, I always say I'm gonna do and then I never
do. Or I could just take this time to just surrender.
Like, I don't know what God, what you're holding
me back from, but I accept it. And yeah, like,
so I think there's like also these moments where
if we are tapped, if we are tapped in, then.
when things do go however way they go, wherever
the wind blows, we're not leaning onto the things
or to the energy of other people, but we're leaning
onto God. And that, I think, can get us through
the storm and get us through whatever, but it
also just connects us closer to the kingdom.
Yeah. Yeah, totally. Yeah. And while you were
kind of talking about... You know, sometimes
like those unfortunate situations are ways where
God comes in and God's grace is coming in. And
sometimes I also think, too, you know, if we're
talking about how can Christians kind of, you
know, have action in this world today, perhaps
that's ... you know, going to the poor in spirit
right now in our community anywhere. Again, they're
not choosing that. Unfortunately, like you said,
life happens and we will often find ourselves
in a poor in spirit season. However, maybe inheriting
the kingdom could be us praying and us being
like, God, how can we be a light in this world
and be representatives of who you are in your
church? And I think maybe that's a way that those
poor in spirit could inherit the kingdom and
also just, yeah, like going through really, really
hard times. Ultimately, when you surrender yourself
to God, right, you see such amazing things that
you're right, but that if you're broken your
phone or anyone's going through a hard time and
you don't have God, like it's just going to be
even harder. But if you do have God, then that's
a way that you can see his light and his work
and his grace in a different way. And it can
change your life and bring you closer to it.
Yeah, totally. Yeah. That's I mean, that's so
helpful. I think especially that phrase that
you said, like when when God is in the mix, then
like good things happen. Right. Like whether
we are going out to serve and to care for the
poor in spirit or whether we find ourselves poor
in spirit, if God is in the mix, it's OK. Like
that song, with Jesus in the vessel, you could
smile at the storm. There's a dance move with
it. Regardless of what you're going through,
even in the good times or the bad times, if Jesus
is in the vessel, if Jesus is in that boat with
you, you could rest assured. Not to say that...
It's going to snap. Jesus is with me. The genie
in the bottle. Okay, great. Everything's going
to be turned around. But I know because there
is this kingdom presence around me that regardless
of what happens today, I'm confident of my tomorrow.
I'm confident of what God will do and has done
and will continue to do in my life. And that
doesn't mean that things will change. You probably
will still be in the storm. Um, it's very likely
that it will continue to rage but but god is
with you. Yeah. Yeah Amen. Yeah Yeah, well, thank
you so much folks. This has been a really I think
fun conversation, but also just like really um,
yeah thought provoking like bring us into like
What is this actually mean right now? And what
is jesus actually about? And I'm really looking
forward to the next, like, seven or eight weeks
as we keep going through this verse by verse
and figure out who's part of this kingdom and,
like, how do we get to make it happen. Yeah.
This is great. Thank you. Thank you very much.
And thank you for tuning into this week's episode
of Trinity Talks. I hope that you have been inspired,
whether you find yourself poor in spirit or whether
you see that in the people around you. Trust
that God is in that. Trust that the Kingdom of
God is coming here and now and into the future.
And we'll see you again next week.