WEBVTT 00:00:03.790 --> 00:00:07.549 Good morning everyone and welcome to this week's 00:00:07.549 --> 00:00:10.109 episode of Trinity Talks. My name is Kyla and 00:00:10.109 --> 00:00:13.369 I'm glad that you are tuning in this week. We 00:00:13.369 --> 00:00:16.929 are sitting down with a couple of folks who have 00:00:16.929 --> 00:00:19.190 been at Trinity for a little while but I want 00:00:19.190 --> 00:00:21.929 to hear more about their story of coming from 00:00:21.929 --> 00:00:26.670 Hong Kong to Canada and how that has shaped their 00:00:26.670 --> 00:00:29.980 faith and their understanding of our life here 00:00:29.980 --> 00:00:32.859 together. So thank you so much for joining me 00:00:32.859 --> 00:00:35.640 on the podcast, folks. Hello. You're welcome. 00:00:35.960 --> 00:00:38.960 Thank you, Kyla. Yeah. For having us. Oh, I'm 00:00:38.960 --> 00:00:41.500 glad to do it. So maybe I'll just get you to 00:00:41.500 --> 00:00:44.119 start by introducing yourselves a little bit. 00:00:44.240 --> 00:00:48.060 Do you want to start here? My name is Chivas. 00:00:48.380 --> 00:00:55.119 Chivas, last name Chu. I came to Canada over 00:00:56.240 --> 00:01:02.399 45 years. Okay. Since 1979, I came here with 00:01:02.399 --> 00:01:09.319 my family. And like, I mean here, I were in here, 00:01:09.579 --> 00:01:14.459 you know, the first few years going to high school, 00:01:15.000 --> 00:01:19.400 and then university, and then work. Yeah. And 00:01:19.400 --> 00:01:23.420 then having my family. Okay. Until now. Okay, 00:01:23.480 --> 00:01:27.810 great. My name is Marian Chu. I came to Canada 00:01:27.810 --> 00:01:31.090 because I have to marry my husband. Okay. I came 00:01:31.090 --> 00:01:36.530 here in 95. Yeah. Okay. 85. 85. Yeah, 85. So 00:01:36.530 --> 00:01:40.150 I have been here for 40 years. Okay, that's awesome. 00:01:41.709 --> 00:01:45.569 And what was your sort of first impression of 00:01:45.569 --> 00:01:50.269 Canada? Yeah, for each of us. My first impression? 00:01:52.010 --> 00:01:56.019 Pretty boring. Okay. Back then, you know, there's 00:01:56.019 --> 00:02:00.200 not as much, you know, like entertainment. Sure. 00:02:00.819 --> 00:02:04.420 And the place is too big. Okay. I mean, you know, 00:02:04.739 --> 00:02:06.439 like in Hong Kong, back in Hong Kong, you know, 00:02:06.620 --> 00:02:09.479 everything is so cozy. You know, you go downstairs, 00:02:09.620 --> 00:02:12.639 you can grab things to eat, you know, you can 00:02:12.639 --> 00:02:16.289 do all kinds of things you want. Sure. But in 00:02:16.289 --> 00:02:20.030 Canada, you have to take the bus or whatever 00:02:20.030 --> 00:02:23.830 to go somewhere. And it's so far away. Everything 00:02:23.830 --> 00:02:31.810 is magnified by 10 times or more. So it takes 00:02:31.810 --> 00:02:35.590 me a while, maybe over a year to get used to 00:02:35.590 --> 00:02:42.509 it. But after that, everything falls into routine. 00:02:43.319 --> 00:02:47.180 And then I will say, hmm, you know, not bad. 00:02:47.360 --> 00:02:51.099 You know, this place is pretty good. I guess, 00:02:51.139 --> 00:02:54.300 you know, like at that time, you know, I can 00:02:54.300 --> 00:02:58.599 really speak well in English. So I'm a bit nervous 00:02:58.599 --> 00:03:02.340 or shy, you know. But later on, you know, like 00:03:02.340 --> 00:03:05.479 I start to, you know, become very familiar with 00:03:05.479 --> 00:03:16.689 things and make me feel. Maybe, you know, because 00:03:16.689 --> 00:03:20.169 Chief was taking care of me, so he got his experience 00:03:20.169 --> 00:03:28.310 already. And he just showed me around when I 00:03:28.310 --> 00:03:43.800 went to study. I worked on my English and then 00:03:43.800 --> 00:03:48.879 went to the ESL class. I went to college. And 00:03:48.879 --> 00:03:54.939 I find that it is a nice place to raise a family. 00:03:57.259 --> 00:04:01.400 I would say Canada at that time is totally different 00:04:01.400 --> 00:04:04.439 from Hong Kong. It's not as busy. The people 00:04:04.439 --> 00:04:07.919 are friendly. And it's so easy to find a job 00:04:07.919 --> 00:04:12.240 at that time. Yeah, so Canada was sort of less 00:04:12.240 --> 00:04:14.360 busy than Hong Kong, and for you at first maybe 00:04:14.360 --> 00:04:16.379 it was a little bit boring, but for you it was 00:04:16.379 --> 00:04:19.759 a nice change of pace, right? Yeah, yeah. For 00:04:19.759 --> 00:04:24.500 sure. Because I, you know, I get over that hurdle 00:04:24.500 --> 00:04:27.360 in a harder way, and she get over that hurdle 00:04:27.360 --> 00:04:29.540 with you. Yeah, for me it's like because, you 00:04:29.540 --> 00:04:33.379 know, like he's my guide. Right. So, you know, 00:04:33.500 --> 00:04:35.800 he just... helped me to you know to went through 00:04:35.800 --> 00:04:38.819 all the you know all the hardship right you know 00:04:38.819 --> 00:04:42.800 like he knows you know what what's the next step 00:04:42.800 --> 00:04:45.779 to do you know make your life easier you know 00:04:45.779 --> 00:04:48.399 right so you know i'm glad that you know he was 00:04:48.399 --> 00:04:55.379 here first yes husband yes yes yes you were telling 00:04:55.379 --> 00:04:57.959 me before you knew each other as teenagers in 00:04:57.959 --> 00:05:00.959 hong kong right um and then you shivas you came 00:05:00.959 --> 00:05:03.410 to canada with your family And then went back 00:05:03.410 --> 00:05:05.670 to marry Marion. Yes. And then came together. 00:05:06.110 --> 00:05:13.790 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, I think during 00:05:13.790 --> 00:05:16.910 that, like the beginning, early, you know, time 00:05:16.910 --> 00:05:22.029 in Canada, I spent most of the time at school. 00:05:22.029 --> 00:05:26.350 OK. And and that's where I learned to know all 00:05:26.350 --> 00:05:29.029 my friends. Right. And at that time, you know, 00:05:29.069 --> 00:05:31.430 I find out the education system is good, you 00:05:31.430 --> 00:05:35.230 know, in Canada. And it still is today, you know. 00:05:36.310 --> 00:05:41.470 But that gives us a lot of opportunity in terms 00:05:41.470 --> 00:05:45.769 of work, you know. You just have to meet the 00:05:45.769 --> 00:05:48.850 certain credentials. Sure. Then, you know, you 00:05:48.850 --> 00:05:52.009 can easily get into the job you want. Right. 00:05:52.269 --> 00:05:54.170 Yeah. Today is a little bit different. Sure. 00:05:54.250 --> 00:05:59.970 Sure. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's good. Yeah And 00:05:59.970 --> 00:06:02.670 when did you folks come to Trinity? How long 00:06:02.670 --> 00:06:06.769 have you been here now? We came last Easter. 00:06:07.230 --> 00:06:10.930 Okay, so just over a year now. Yes, okay And 00:06:10.930 --> 00:06:14.050 so what brought you to Trinity what why did you 00:06:14.050 --> 00:06:16.209 want to start coming here or how did you hear 00:06:16.209 --> 00:06:20.850 about it Marion? I think we've been we've been 00:06:20.850 --> 00:06:24.310 going to our Chinese Anakin Church for over 10 00:06:24.310 --> 00:06:26.930 years. And then all of a sudden, you know, we 00:06:26.930 --> 00:06:30.310 find that we need a change. We want to explore 00:06:30.310 --> 00:06:34.230 more. We want to know more about Anakin Church. 00:06:34.649 --> 00:06:37.670 What's the difference? And we need our, you know, 00:06:37.949 --> 00:06:41.670 our spiritual growth. So, you know, I talked 00:06:41.670 --> 00:06:44.189 to Jesus, you know what, should we go to, you 00:06:44.189 --> 00:06:50.449 know, to visit other churches and see what we 00:06:50.449 --> 00:06:54.769 can get or we can expect? or we can learn. Right. 00:06:55.269 --> 00:06:58.930 And then we find that, oh, okay, we should maybe, 00:06:58.930 --> 00:07:01.230 you know, go to the neighborhood. You know, like 00:07:01.230 --> 00:07:06.529 in Miss Saga. So, and then we find Trinity. Yeah. 00:07:06.889 --> 00:07:13.149 Okay. And yeah, I think we, Marianne already 00:07:13.149 --> 00:07:18.589 said, we been in, you know, like a Chinese Anglican 00:07:18.589 --> 00:07:22.990 church. over I would say about 14 years, you 00:07:22.990 --> 00:07:27.170 know, and I always want to, it's always in my 00:07:27.170 --> 00:07:31.290 mind, I always want to find out what the mainstream 00:07:31.290 --> 00:07:37.350 Anglican Church is like. Aside from a Chinese, 00:07:37.350 --> 00:07:41.589 you know, Anglican Church. This is always, you 00:07:41.589 --> 00:07:46.009 know, something I want to explore. Sure. So we 00:07:46.009 --> 00:07:48.610 are discussing, you know, like whether which 00:07:48.610 --> 00:07:50.970 church we should go to in the mainstream, right? 00:07:51.050 --> 00:07:56.189 We have St. Peter's on Mississauga Road and Dundas, 00:07:56.610 --> 00:07:59.410 you know, and this other church on Lake Shore, 00:07:59.430 --> 00:08:02.449 you know, but all of a sudden we said, hey, I 00:08:02.449 --> 00:08:06.350 remember Haseo McCallion, yes, one of the, you 00:08:06.350 --> 00:08:11.490 know, politicians, former mayor, mayors in Mississauga, 00:08:11.689 --> 00:08:14.930 someone I really respect. And I remember someone 00:08:14.930 --> 00:08:18.949 told me, you know, she, she, she was, uh, um, 00:08:18.949 --> 00:08:22.250 you know, African also. So I wondering where, 00:08:22.449 --> 00:08:25.449 which church she goes to, right? Then I find 00:08:25.449 --> 00:08:28.490 out Trinity. Okay. You know, which is very close 00:08:28.490 --> 00:08:31.829 to my home too. So here we go. You know, that's 00:08:31.829 --> 00:08:35.830 why we come in. And, uh, when I first came into 00:08:35.830 --> 00:08:40.009 this church, I find this church is quite different. 00:08:40.409 --> 00:08:44.919 Yes. It's very, welcoming. It's a welcoming church. 00:08:45.539 --> 00:08:49.019 People carrying a smile on their face all the 00:08:49.019 --> 00:08:53.820 time. And this cannot be hide. You know, it's 00:08:53.820 --> 00:08:57.620 expressed from inside out. Okay. So you can't 00:08:57.620 --> 00:09:02.700 lie. And also, you know, like I, you know, why 00:09:02.700 --> 00:09:06.440 I stay in this church for almost a year now is 00:09:06.440 --> 00:09:09.220 because, you know, I like the worship, the Sunday 00:09:09.220 --> 00:09:14.919 worship. That's one thing. the format is untraditional 00:09:14.919 --> 00:09:20.360 you know the evangelical format is I think is 00:09:20.360 --> 00:09:26.019 very suitable for not just myself but for the 00:09:26.019 --> 00:09:29.559 newcomers who are non -christian yeah yeah you 00:09:29.559 --> 00:09:32.919 know And the atmosphere is church, you know, 00:09:33.039 --> 00:09:36.299 like bring the peoples together. And that's make 00:09:36.299 --> 00:09:39.019 me feel really good about it. Yeah, make me feel 00:09:39.019 --> 00:09:41.419 comfortable too. Yeah, that's awesome. So even 00:09:41.419 --> 00:09:44.700 though, you know, when we're new, we don't feel, 00:09:44.700 --> 00:09:49.019 you know, like a stranger. We feel like a very, 00:09:49.059 --> 00:09:52.039 like as he said, you know, well, like, you know, 00:09:52.179 --> 00:09:56.480 a warm welcoming. People are very like friendly. 00:09:56.779 --> 00:09:59.950 Yeah. and yeah you don't feel like you know you're 00:09:59.950 --> 00:10:03.169 outsider yeah yeah that that you know like i 00:10:03.169 --> 00:10:07.429 i like that feeling yeah yeah for sure and add 00:10:07.429 --> 00:10:13.009 to that is you know the church from what i i 00:10:13.009 --> 00:10:16.929 heard and i saw is church also trying to reach 00:10:16.929 --> 00:10:19.509 out to the communities right help the people 00:10:19.509 --> 00:10:24.720 in need like world vision and also help the people, 00:10:24.860 --> 00:10:27.539 you know, like in the community, you know, whoever 00:10:27.539 --> 00:10:30.799 in need, trying to give the extra hand, you know, 00:10:30.960 --> 00:10:36.460 for what they really need. So that, again, you 00:10:36.460 --> 00:10:39.639 know, it makes so much sense for nowadays church, 00:10:40.019 --> 00:10:44.100 what every church should do. Sure, yeah. It's 00:10:44.100 --> 00:10:46.419 interesting to me that you said you wanted to 00:10:46.419 --> 00:10:49.320 sort of understand what The mainline Anglican 00:10:49.320 --> 00:10:51.139 churches are like, and then you come and end 00:10:51.139 --> 00:10:54.820 up at Trinity, which is kind of a mainline Anglican 00:10:54.820 --> 00:10:56.980 church, but it doesn't look like any of the other 00:10:56.980 --> 00:10:59.820 Anglican churches. Yeah, the culture. Yeah. The 00:10:59.820 --> 00:11:04.279 culture, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you sort of spanned 00:11:04.279 --> 00:11:07.720 a lot of different sort of expressions of Anglicanism, 00:11:07.840 --> 00:11:10.799 which I think is cool. Yeah. And I'm glad. I'm 00:11:10.799 --> 00:11:14.759 so glad that, you know, Anglican is going down 00:11:14.759 --> 00:11:20.759 this path because I think in today's world, I 00:11:20.759 --> 00:11:24.700 mean, don't get me wrong, liturgy is good because 00:11:24.700 --> 00:11:29.259 I know there's a lot of good reason and good 00:11:29.259 --> 00:11:33.080 explanations why we're doing that behind it. 00:11:33.440 --> 00:11:36.460 So as long as you understand it, then you will 00:11:36.460 --> 00:11:39.879 say, oh, it makes so much sense. I mean, you 00:11:39.879 --> 00:11:42.340 also have to take care of the other part of the 00:11:42.340 --> 00:11:46.299 people who are not, you know, like Christian 00:11:46.299 --> 00:11:50.299 yet. And you know, you want them to first, you 00:11:50.299 --> 00:11:53.320 know, try to let them come to the church first. 00:11:53.700 --> 00:11:56.899 Then once they settle in, once they start to, 00:11:56.899 --> 00:12:01.120 they want to explore more about this religion, 00:12:02.299 --> 00:12:05.799 then it's the time for them to... to understand 00:12:05.799 --> 00:12:08.620 you know at that stage sure not too early yeah 00:12:08.620 --> 00:12:11.779 yeah so i feel that i i can tell you kind of 00:12:11.779 --> 00:12:16.220 uh when i first went to that um uh chinese church 00:12:16.220 --> 00:12:19.419 yeah i thought oh my goodness i went to a wrong 00:12:19.419 --> 00:12:22.720 church i went to a catholic church okay i want 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:25.879 i say i want to i want to leave you know not 00:12:25.879 --> 00:12:28.659 sure i don't like catholic you know but i because 00:12:28.659 --> 00:12:30.840 i was a christian christian you know i wanted 00:12:30.840 --> 00:12:34.600 to go to a christian church so um then I find 00:12:34.600 --> 00:12:38.740 out all Anglican have all kind of liturgy in 00:12:38.740 --> 00:12:41.840 their worship. Yeah, and I think there's different 00:12:41.840 --> 00:12:43.820 entry points for different people, right? Like 00:12:43.820 --> 00:12:46.340 some people really appreciate the liturgy. I 00:12:46.340 --> 00:12:49.399 appreciate a liturgical service and there are 00:12:49.399 --> 00:12:50.720 some people that when they're going to a church, 00:12:50.779 --> 00:12:52.460 that's what they're looking for, right? But then 00:12:52.460 --> 00:12:54.830 there's other people... who this, yeah, they 00:12:54.830 --> 00:12:57.889 want a more contemporary or they want a different 00:12:57.889 --> 00:13:01.370 sort of way of doing church. Yeah, so it's cool 00:13:01.370 --> 00:13:03.330 that we get to have all of the different options. 00:13:03.610 --> 00:13:06.789 We see both sides. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah. 00:13:07.350 --> 00:13:10.590 So you both went to church in Hong Kong as well, 00:13:10.769 --> 00:13:14.149 right? Yeah. So how has your experience of church 00:13:14.149 --> 00:13:16.889 in Hong Kong been different than your experience 00:13:16.889 --> 00:13:21.409 of church in Canada? The context of the church 00:13:21.409 --> 00:13:26.090 activities is more or less the same. The size 00:13:26.090 --> 00:13:29.730 is different, because Hong Kong is smaller, so 00:13:29.730 --> 00:13:32.529 that you have a smaller group of people in the 00:13:32.529 --> 00:13:38.529 church. You say maybe a hundred people in 2000 00:13:38.529 --> 00:13:42.909 square feet of space, whereas here you have maybe 00:13:42.909 --> 00:13:46.710 a few hundred people in a few thousand square 00:13:46.710 --> 00:13:50.009 feet of space. The scale is smaller. Okay. He 00:13:50.009 --> 00:13:54.669 is bigger. Okay. But hey, you know, when we were 00:13:54.669 --> 00:13:57.590 teenagers, we go to Sunday school, you know, 00:13:58.409 --> 00:14:01.870 and we go to cell group, the fellowship. Yeah. 00:14:02.490 --> 00:14:06.330 And we also have, you know, go to worship every 00:14:06.330 --> 00:14:08.669 Sunday, you know, we have summer retreat, you 00:14:08.669 --> 00:14:10.789 know, that kind of thing. Yeah. So it's very 00:14:10.789 --> 00:14:15.330 similar. I mean, like Hong Kong is, you know, 00:14:15.509 --> 00:14:18.190 as far as religion. You know, you can go to any 00:14:18.190 --> 00:14:21.190 religions you want. It's very free to do so. 00:14:22.190 --> 00:14:24.490 So it's not much different from Canada. Okay, 00:14:24.710 --> 00:14:28.610 okay. And you know, like anytime the church is 00:14:28.610 --> 00:14:31.210 open in Hong Kong as well as in Canada. Sure. 00:14:31.529 --> 00:14:34.789 Like anything else in the world. But you know, 00:14:35.350 --> 00:14:37.750 like so really there's not a lot of difference 00:14:37.750 --> 00:14:40.389 in my opinion. In your opinion. What about for 00:14:40.389 --> 00:14:42.870 you Marion? I think more or less the same. But 00:14:42.870 --> 00:14:45.110 I find that you know, like here, you know, like 00:14:45.110 --> 00:14:48.179 you do more, you know, like reach out to the 00:14:48.179 --> 00:14:51.080 community. So, you know, you support the community. 00:14:51.580 --> 00:14:54.340 So it's a little bit different from in Hong Kong. 00:14:54.519 --> 00:14:57.139 Okay. That's how I feel. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Interesting. 00:14:58.539 --> 00:15:03.600 And in Hong Kong, the church was in Cantonese 00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:07.559 or in Cantonese. And we were talking a little 00:15:07.559 --> 00:15:09.820 bit before about, you know, the difference in 00:15:09.820 --> 00:15:12.100 the languages and trying to come to church in 00:15:12.100 --> 00:15:15.080 English and how maybe that was a bit of a challenge. 00:15:15.709 --> 00:15:18.289 At the beginning, yeah. Because, you know, like 00:15:18.289 --> 00:15:22.509 when we were little, you know, we learned Bible 00:15:22.509 --> 00:15:28.309 in Chinese. So, you know, it is different. As 00:15:28.309 --> 00:15:32.250 you said, you know, the language in Bible, it 00:15:32.250 --> 00:15:35.169 is not like a modern language. Right. It's a 00:15:35.169 --> 00:15:38.269 little bit hard. And then come to, you know, 00:15:38.409 --> 00:15:41.710 to Canada to read the Bible in English. We have 00:15:41.710 --> 00:15:45.659 to translate. back to, you know, like Chinese. 00:15:46.039 --> 00:15:48.120 Right. So it's really a challenge at that time. 00:15:48.299 --> 00:15:52.419 Yeah. So now, you know, maybe we, we more familiar 00:15:52.419 --> 00:15:56.480 with, you know, the English version. So we find 00:15:56.480 --> 00:15:58.899 that, you know, it's not as difficult as before. 00:15:59.539 --> 00:16:01.960 Right. Right. But yeah, definitely a shift at 00:16:01.960 --> 00:16:04.679 the beginning. Yes. And also I find out something 00:16:04.679 --> 00:16:12.480 very funny. Before when I read the Bible in Chinese, 00:16:13.159 --> 00:16:17.139 I find out that the description is very explicit. 00:16:17.679 --> 00:16:21.440 No, it's not very explicit. It gets to the point, 00:16:21.460 --> 00:16:24.919 very real meaning. Okay. More in Cantonese? In 00:16:24.919 --> 00:16:29.759 Cantonese. In Chinese. But, on the other hand, 00:16:29.960 --> 00:16:34.120 when I read the Bible in English, I find out, 00:16:34.159 --> 00:16:36.799 huh. They use a very simple word, but get to 00:16:36.799 --> 00:16:39.720 the point too, get the point out too. Okay. Right. 00:16:40.039 --> 00:16:43.220 So for example, like now I start using, you know, 00:16:43.340 --> 00:16:48.679 like for example, there's, what's his name? Eugene 00:16:48.679 --> 00:16:53.139 Peterson? Yes. the messages, that book. I use 00:16:53.139 --> 00:16:56.179 that book to correlate, you know, when I read... 00:16:56.179 --> 00:16:59.039 Ah, interesting, okay. When I read the Chinese 00:16:59.039 --> 00:17:01.340 Bible, and sometimes if something I don't understand, 00:17:01.419 --> 00:17:05.079 I will look at his book in English. So it makes 00:17:05.079 --> 00:17:09.220 me feel easier, or I can get the message a little 00:17:09.220 --> 00:17:12.480 bit easier, you know. And I say, hey, you know, 00:17:12.779 --> 00:17:16.576 they use so simple English and then can express... 00:17:16.569 --> 00:17:20.309 and that's really you know like something I explore 00:17:20.309 --> 00:17:25.269 you know myself and I find it interesting yeah 00:17:25.269 --> 00:17:28.470 yeah for sure and the message Bible that translation 00:17:28.470 --> 00:17:31.589 specifically is is really meant to be easy and 00:17:31.589 --> 00:17:34.190 direct and that sort of thing so yeah I think 00:17:34.190 --> 00:17:37.710 that's a good a good kind of pairing yeah you 00:17:37.710 --> 00:17:39.970 know what nowadays with all the apps you know 00:17:39.970 --> 00:17:43.609 it helps a lot yeah and you know and also so 00:17:43.609 --> 00:17:47.680 many different Source that you can get right, 00:17:47.680 --> 00:17:50.339 you know get more information or help to understand 00:17:50.339 --> 00:17:53.319 the Bible, right? Yeah, in addition to coming 00:17:53.319 --> 00:17:58.680 to church. Mm -hmm. Yeah So how do your you think 00:17:58.680 --> 00:18:02.440 your experience as immigrants has shaped your 00:18:02.440 --> 00:18:05.759 faith or shaped your understanding of of God 00:18:05.759 --> 00:18:08.940 Do you want to start Marian? I would say because 00:18:08.940 --> 00:18:12.740 it's not as busy in your life. Mm -hmm. So, you 00:18:12.740 --> 00:18:19.079 know give you like time to think, I would say. 00:18:19.660 --> 00:18:22.319 I would say, you know, you have more time to 00:18:22.319 --> 00:18:25.240 do your things. It's not like, you know, you're 00:18:25.240 --> 00:18:28.779 always in a fast pace. You don't have your own 00:18:28.779 --> 00:18:31.539 time. Right. So now, you know, I find in Canada, 00:18:32.119 --> 00:18:35.500 it just is more relaxed. And Sunday, you know, 00:18:36.059 --> 00:18:38.440 you're off. So, you know, you can go to church. 00:18:38.599 --> 00:18:42.660 You don't have any... like work you have to worry 00:18:42.660 --> 00:18:45.759 like before in Hong Kong you know like because 00:18:45.759 --> 00:18:48.700 I find it you know always busy busy in your life 00:18:48.700 --> 00:18:52.460 so in Canada you know you you you at least you 00:18:52.460 --> 00:18:54.660 know at least you know have day that you know 00:18:54.660 --> 00:18:59.980 you can go to church right yeah yeah I I think 00:18:59.980 --> 00:19:05.079 my wife got a good point about the life here 00:19:05.079 --> 00:19:09.670 it's not as busy or as rush as the life in Hong 00:19:09.670 --> 00:19:14.529 Kong. You know, it's just the nature, the culture. 00:19:14.690 --> 00:19:18.710 Sure. You know, and I think, you know, you probably 00:19:18.710 --> 00:19:24.509 have a bit of more of your time to think about 00:19:24.509 --> 00:19:29.509 the religion, to think about what the view of 00:19:29.509 --> 00:19:33.849 the religion's christianity is all about, and 00:19:33.849 --> 00:19:37.240 that makes a difference. Sure. Even though, like 00:19:37.240 --> 00:19:40.859 I would say when my wife and myself used to be, 00:19:41.579 --> 00:19:45.720 we go to church, you know, we don't feel anything 00:19:45.720 --> 00:19:48.539 in depth, also because we're teenagers at the 00:19:48.539 --> 00:19:53.039 time. Sure, yeah. And one thing I want to point 00:19:53.039 --> 00:19:58.119 out here is also, like we went to church, we 00:19:58.119 --> 00:20:02.779 met at church when we were teenagers, then when 00:20:02.779 --> 00:20:05.299 Marianne came to Canada and I came to Canada, 00:20:06.750 --> 00:20:10.450 There's a period of time that we didn't go to 00:20:10.450 --> 00:20:15.470 church until, you know, 14 years ago. And that's 00:20:15.470 --> 00:20:17.789 the time that, you know, we start, you know, 00:20:17.990 --> 00:20:21.490 understand more about Christianity. I would say 00:20:21.490 --> 00:20:25.490 before, you know, we don't know. We don't really 00:20:25.490 --> 00:20:27.329 get the real meaning about what Christianity 00:20:27.329 --> 00:20:32.700 is. But I believe the seed, the seed. had been 00:20:32.700 --> 00:20:35.839 in my heart. Sure. And it just didn't grow until 00:20:35.839 --> 00:20:39.859 after so many years. Yeah, yeah. So now, you 00:20:39.859 --> 00:20:42.140 know, when we're getting to a certain age, then 00:20:42.140 --> 00:20:46.339 we say, okay, you know, thanks God. Yeah. We 00:20:46.339 --> 00:20:51.619 start to know more and more about Him. And build 00:20:51.619 --> 00:20:56.059 a better and better relationship with God. Yeah, 00:20:56.220 --> 00:20:58.039 so you said there was a period of time where 00:20:58.039 --> 00:21:00.400 you weren't going to church, and then about 14 00:21:00.400 --> 00:21:03.140 years ago you started going again. So what prompted 00:21:03.140 --> 00:21:05.880 you to want to go back to church again? Well, 00:21:05.900 --> 00:21:10.839 you know what? I believe God has his own timetable. 00:21:11.740 --> 00:21:15.960 And it's not what I want to do. And it's what 00:21:15.960 --> 00:21:21.440 he wants to do. And if he wants you, my son, 00:21:21.720 --> 00:21:25.019 or you, Mary, and my daughter, come back to me. 00:21:25.480 --> 00:21:28.839 He has different ways to get you back. Sure. 00:21:29.299 --> 00:21:32.920 You know, by the way, Marianne was baptized in 00:21:32.920 --> 00:21:36.119 Canada. Okay. And in the Anglican Church that 00:21:36.119 --> 00:21:41.759 where she really belongs to before. And I just 00:21:41.759 --> 00:21:44.099 know, you know, like some God, you know, really 00:21:44.099 --> 00:21:49.900 he has his plan. Yeah. On each one of us, you 00:21:49.900 --> 00:21:53.269 know. you know, when he'd say, hey, you know, 00:21:53.430 --> 00:21:56.750 you've been away for so long. Come back. Come 00:21:56.750 --> 00:22:00.950 back. Yeah. Then, you know, he is that. Yeah. 00:22:01.750 --> 00:22:03.529 Yeah. A different way that, you know, who will 00:22:03.529 --> 00:22:07.650 bring you back to him. Yeah. It's interesting. 00:22:08.329 --> 00:22:10.730 Yeah. It just felt like the right time. Yes. 00:22:11.210 --> 00:22:14.309 Yeah. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, and you were 00:22:14.309 --> 00:22:17.049 also telling me before you have one son. Yes. 00:22:17.369 --> 00:22:20.230 Who now lives in Hong Kong, right? Yes. Yeah. 00:22:20.670 --> 00:22:22.950 And I was saying to you, you know, that might 00:22:22.950 --> 00:22:25.970 feel really hard, but Marion, you said it may 00:22:25.970 --> 00:22:28.369 be a little bit hard, but you're sort of at peace 00:22:28.369 --> 00:22:32.430 with it. Yes. Yeah. And, you know, it's a surprise 00:22:32.430 --> 00:22:34.190 to you, you know, we came to Canada, you know, 00:22:34.289 --> 00:22:37.150 we decided to have family here. Yeah. And then, 00:22:37.410 --> 00:22:40.130 like, you know, like my son was born here. And 00:22:40.130 --> 00:22:42.710 after he finished his university, he said, you 00:22:42.710 --> 00:22:46.210 know, I want to go to Hong Kong to work. And 00:22:46.210 --> 00:22:49.829 it was a surprise to me. Yeah. And I was so worried, 00:22:49.829 --> 00:22:53.529 you know, like, because he doesn't know anything 00:22:53.529 --> 00:22:56.069 about Hong Kong. Right. We have relatives there. 00:22:56.529 --> 00:22:58.950 But when you travel, it's different from you're 00:22:58.950 --> 00:23:02.809 living there, right? Right, yeah. But I remember 00:23:02.809 --> 00:23:05.390 in Bible, it said, you know, like, you know what? 00:23:05.750 --> 00:23:08.220 When he grew up, when your son grew up. He doesn't 00:23:08.220 --> 00:23:11.319 know. He doesn't belong to you. So, you know, 00:23:11.400 --> 00:23:14.160 you have to find his own life, right? So I said, 00:23:14.359 --> 00:23:17.440 okay. And I said, you know, God, I'll leave you 00:23:17.440 --> 00:23:20.519 with my beloved son. I know that you will take 00:23:20.519 --> 00:23:25.240 care of him and you will prepare a way for him. 00:23:26.460 --> 00:23:30.980 So after, you know, I prayed to God and I find 00:23:30.980 --> 00:23:36.750 the peace in my heart. He's doing good now, so 00:23:36.750 --> 00:23:43.109 I know that God has a plan for him. And I really 00:23:43.109 --> 00:23:52.349 feel it. Thank you so much for taking this time 00:23:52.349 --> 00:23:55.210 to share a little bit with us. It's been really 00:23:55.210 --> 00:23:58.529 encouraging to hear how God has been faithful 00:23:58.529 --> 00:24:03.089 in your lives. shows up at all of the right moments, 00:24:03.390 --> 00:24:06.930 I think. Yes. I think, you know, when God wants, 00:24:07.170 --> 00:24:10.470 like at different time, God will assign different 00:24:10.470 --> 00:24:16.930 tasks to us and also lead us to different things. 00:24:18.190 --> 00:24:20.990 Anything He wants us to learn, He will make path 00:24:20.990 --> 00:24:25.630 for us to make it happen. Sure. And that's why 00:24:25.630 --> 00:24:29.950 when we land on Trinity today, we think, you 00:24:29.950 --> 00:24:34.670 know, like one things I know, you know, the spiritual 00:24:34.670 --> 00:24:40.250 growth is there for us, you know, and the second 00:24:40.250 --> 00:24:43.509 thing is probably, you know, trying to make ourselves 00:24:43.509 --> 00:24:46.970 more familiar with the church. Right. And, you 00:24:46.970 --> 00:24:49.230 know, like the next step is how we're going to 00:24:49.230 --> 00:24:53.470 serve in this church because this is one of the 00:24:53.470 --> 00:24:56.029 tasks that each one of us as a Christians needs 00:24:56.029 --> 00:25:01.069 to do. Right. Yeah. You know. Yeah. and I don't 00:25:01.069 --> 00:25:05.170 feel any pressure you know because you know it 00:25:05.170 --> 00:25:08.690 is from your heart and you know God will help 00:25:08.690 --> 00:25:14.170 us to to make it get it through right so I we 00:25:14.170 --> 00:25:17.390 start to learn not to you know the count on ourselves 00:25:17.390 --> 00:25:21.089 right not worry too much not to worry and also 00:25:21.089 --> 00:25:23.309 you know any things that have haven't happened 00:25:23.309 --> 00:25:26.470 don't worry about it you know deal with it one 00:25:26.470 --> 00:25:31.019 day at a time sure you know, that's enough. That's 00:25:31.019 --> 00:25:35.599 how I see it. Yeah, that's cool. That's such 00:25:35.599 --> 00:25:39.740 a good sort of posture of faith, I think, right? 00:25:40.660 --> 00:25:44.480 That, yeah, you're demonstrating that you believe 00:25:44.480 --> 00:25:48.160 in God, but that belief actually then like shapes 00:25:48.160 --> 00:25:51.980 how you see the world, right? And it shapes how 00:25:51.980 --> 00:25:54.480 you're even feeling about the world, right? Like 00:25:54.480 --> 00:25:57.259 I think a lot of people would really struggle 00:25:57.259 --> 00:26:01.259 to sort of let go and let their kids live thousands 00:26:01.259 --> 00:26:03.859 and thousands of kilometers away, or to just 00:26:03.859 --> 00:26:06.079 trust that God is leading them into the right 00:26:06.079 --> 00:26:09.200 space. But you guys are doing that so well. Yeah. 00:26:09.200 --> 00:26:11.880 No, and also I think one more thing I think is 00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:16.019 very important to share is that there's so many 00:26:16.019 --> 00:26:19.640 things around us which is beyond our control. 00:26:20.200 --> 00:26:24.480 So, such as politics, right? All those things, 00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:28.569 you know, like It's beyond our control. So don't 00:26:28.569 --> 00:26:31.849 get too upset or don't get too gung -ho with 00:26:31.849 --> 00:26:35.890 all that kind of things. Because if you trust 00:26:35.890 --> 00:26:41.170 God, God has plan on everything. So He is the 00:26:41.170 --> 00:26:46.509 one who uphold the righteousness. So let Him 00:26:46.509 --> 00:26:56.329 do the plan. Let it see how things go and don't 00:26:56.329 --> 00:26:58.779 shouldn't really get upset or anything Because 00:26:58.779 --> 00:27:03.579 if you trust Him, don't worry too much. I think 00:27:03.579 --> 00:27:08.380 that's very good advice. Thank you again both 00:27:08.380 --> 00:27:11.799 for sharing your story. And thank you for tuning 00:27:11.799 --> 00:27:15.019 in to this week's episode of Trinity Talks. I 00:27:15.019 --> 00:27:18.420 hope that you've been able to gather some wisdom, 00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:21.700 gather some stories of faith that will inspire 00:27:21.700 --> 00:27:24.799 and encourage you throughout your journey ahead. 00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:26.519 And we'll see you again next week.