WEBVTT 00:00:04.350 --> 00:00:07.150 Hello everyone and welcome to this week's episode 00:00:07.150 --> 00:00:09.949 of Trinity Talks. My name is Kyla and I'm so 00:00:09.949 --> 00:00:13.169 glad that you are joining us this week. Today 00:00:13.169 --> 00:00:15.869 we are continuing to talk a little bit about 00:00:15.869 --> 00:00:19.329 the intersections between faith and work. Where 00:00:19.329 --> 00:00:22.410 do we... How does our faith influence the work 00:00:22.410 --> 00:00:24.309 that we do, and how does the work that we do 00:00:24.309 --> 00:00:27.210 influence our faith? And this week, I am excited 00:00:27.210 --> 00:00:31.550 to sit down with Andrew, who is a pilot. So thank 00:00:31.550 --> 00:00:33.369 you for joining me, Andrew. Happy to be here. 00:00:33.390 --> 00:00:35.030 Thanks for having me. Yeah. Do you want to just 00:00:35.030 --> 00:00:36.810 take a moment to introduce yourself a little 00:00:36.810 --> 00:00:40.570 bit? Sure. Yeah. My name is Andrew, as you mentioned. 00:00:41.130 --> 00:00:45.329 We come to Trinity with Rochelle, my wife, and 00:00:45.329 --> 00:00:48.490 two children, Emerson and Eddie. We've been here 00:00:48.490 --> 00:00:51.189 about three years and I work as a pilot so I'm 00:00:51.189 --> 00:00:54.850 happy to be here to share any insight I can about 00:00:54.850 --> 00:00:57.770 Faith in the pilot world and what my job looks 00:00:57.770 --> 00:01:01.450 like. So yeah, thank you Yeah, so what prompted 00:01:01.450 --> 00:01:04.569 you to want to be a pilot? I don't know if there's 00:01:04.569 --> 00:01:07.870 maybe one thing but Pilot airplanes that's kind 00:01:07.870 --> 00:01:11.209 of one of the main fixations as kids They have 00:01:11.209 --> 00:01:13.310 the dinosaurs or the airplanes or whatever it 00:01:13.310 --> 00:01:16.719 is for them. So mine was airplanes It also didn't 00:01:16.719 --> 00:01:20.159 hurt that my father is a pilot or was a pilot. 00:01:20.159 --> 00:01:23.840 He's retired now, but as a child, you know, you're 00:01:23.840 --> 00:01:27.739 influenced by seeing dad come home in the uniform 00:01:27.739 --> 00:01:30.200 and going on trips and things like that. And 00:01:30.200 --> 00:01:35.840 at the time, pre -9 -11, your family could go 00:01:35.840 --> 00:01:39.000 into the flight deck with you. So I remember 00:01:39.000 --> 00:01:42.879 being, I don't know, I must have been maybe 14 00:01:42.879 --> 00:01:46.439 or so. just being able to sit up in the flight 00:01:46.439 --> 00:01:49.420 deck sitting behind my dad and the other pilot 00:01:49.420 --> 00:01:53.640 and just doing this approach into like Los Angeles 00:01:53.640 --> 00:01:56.280 at night and seeing all the lights and the cockpits 00:01:56.280 --> 00:01:59.519 and everything. It was just mesmerizing and it 00:01:59.519 --> 00:02:02.120 was something that not many people get to see 00:02:02.120 --> 00:02:04.819 if you're not in the industry, but it was impactful 00:02:04.819 --> 00:02:07.540 and I was like, I have to do this. It's just 00:02:07.540 --> 00:02:10.860 too cool not to try and do this. So I started 00:02:10.860 --> 00:02:14.629 pursuing that. Oh, that's really fun. Yeah. So 00:02:14.629 --> 00:02:16.949 can you just explain a little bit about what 00:02:16.949 --> 00:02:20.909 does your job entail? What does it look like 00:02:20.909 --> 00:02:25.289 on a weekly basis or monthly basis? Right. So 00:02:25.289 --> 00:02:27.949 I mean, the obvious answer is I fly airplanes 00:02:27.949 --> 00:02:32.550 around. Yes. Yeah. The airplane I'm on is called 00:02:32.550 --> 00:02:38.310 the 737. So it does mostly regional type flying. 00:02:38.449 --> 00:02:40.990 Like I fly a lot in Canada and the US. I go down 00:02:40.990 --> 00:02:44.310 to Mexico from time to time. The Caribbean if 00:02:44.310 --> 00:02:47.389 I'm lucky, okay, a nice Caribbean layover. Yeah 00:02:47.389 --> 00:02:50.770 At my company, there's different bases actually. 00:02:50.770 --> 00:02:53.629 So if you're based in Montreal or Vancouver, 00:02:53.689 --> 00:02:55.870 you could do some overseas flying the plane able 00:02:55.870 --> 00:02:59.889 to go a bit longer My job though on a week to 00:02:59.889 --> 00:03:02.729 week it could look anything from having most 00:03:02.729 --> 00:03:04.770 of the week off because that's how the schedule 00:03:04.770 --> 00:03:08.569 Sure laid out or I could be working a few days 00:03:08.569 --> 00:03:10.330 of the week. I could be working four days in 00:03:10.330 --> 00:03:14.590 a row no two weeks look the same. So it's a bit 00:03:14.590 --> 00:03:17.389 variable. It's not a typical nine to five job. 00:03:18.330 --> 00:03:21.050 Sometimes I'm doing a red eyes. So you're, you're 00:03:21.050 --> 00:03:22.689 flying overnight and getting home in the morning 00:03:22.689 --> 00:03:24.669 and then sending the kids off to school. So it's, 00:03:24.669 --> 00:03:28.530 it's, yeah, you kind of get the idea of, of what 00:03:28.530 --> 00:03:32.349 the job is. It's not regular, I would say. Yeah. 00:03:32.449 --> 00:03:35.969 Yeah. Yeah. Cool. What's your favorite part of 00:03:35.969 --> 00:03:40.240 your job or a favorite memory from work? It's 00:03:40.240 --> 00:03:42.759 hard to pick one memory. I'll start with the 00:03:42.759 --> 00:03:46.460 part of the job. I mean, so we talked about some 00:03:46.460 --> 00:03:49.740 of the scheduling anomalies or abnormalities 00:03:49.740 --> 00:03:52.659 that come with the job. But there's also some 00:03:52.659 --> 00:03:55.500 pros that come along with that as well, because 00:03:55.500 --> 00:03:58.259 there might be a random Tuesday or Wednesday 00:03:58.259 --> 00:04:01.099 where I'm just home during the week. So if Rochelle 00:04:01.099 --> 00:04:03.400 is home, we can go for coffee. We can hang out. 00:04:03.620 --> 00:04:09.099 It's healthy. aspect to be able to dig into to 00:04:09.099 --> 00:04:14.759 spend time with your spouse or even getting groceries, 00:04:14.939 --> 00:04:16.459 having meetings at church, things like that. 00:04:16.500 --> 00:04:19.259 Not many people can kind of do that week unless 00:04:19.259 --> 00:04:25.699 you work nights or something. The travel, being 00:04:25.699 --> 00:04:27.980 able to travel and see different places, see 00:04:27.980 --> 00:04:34.899 the world. It's just opening your... Your horizons 00:04:34.899 --> 00:04:37.399 to see different countries and cultures and foods 00:04:37.399 --> 00:04:41.259 and things like that. It's Yeah, that's definitely 00:04:41.259 --> 00:04:46.240 One of the perks of the job favorite memory again 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:50.079 hard to pick one, but I've been able to take 00:04:50.079 --> 00:04:53.819 people with me on layovers. So when I go to a 00:04:53.819 --> 00:04:57.319 country or a city Often we just will stay there 00:04:57.319 --> 00:05:00.500 for sometimes a day, sometimes two or more. OK. 00:05:00.579 --> 00:05:02.759 So I've been able to take Rochelle with me to 00:05:02.759 --> 00:05:05.680 Budapest. Oh, that's fun. Yeah. And I'd never 00:05:05.680 --> 00:05:08.000 been there. It's a very, very interesting city. 00:05:08.740 --> 00:05:11.240 Great food. And then she brought her dad and 00:05:11.240 --> 00:05:13.500 her dad's friend along. So it was all four of 00:05:13.500 --> 00:05:15.759 us. OK. We rented a car and drove around. We 00:05:15.759 --> 00:05:19.879 drove to Slovakia to watch a hockey game of the 00:05:19.879 --> 00:05:22.040 friend's son. And yeah, it was just neat to be 00:05:22.040 --> 00:05:26.670 able to bring. loved ones along and they can 00:05:26.670 --> 00:05:28.750 kind of see a little bit of what you do when 00:05:28.750 --> 00:05:30.949 you're there, which to them looks like fun. They 00:05:30.949 --> 00:05:32.769 don't see all the hard work to get there. They 00:05:32.769 --> 00:05:34.870 see when you get there and you get to kind of 00:05:34.870 --> 00:05:37.670 eat good food and sleep in a nice hotel. So yeah, 00:05:37.870 --> 00:05:42.529 just them being able to take part in that is 00:05:42.529 --> 00:05:44.879 a memory. And there's others as well. You know, 00:05:44.879 --> 00:05:47.639 it's the same kind of idea. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 00:05:47.819 --> 00:05:49.759 Sort of similar to like what you were saying. 00:05:49.879 --> 00:05:51.980 You know, your dad would like show you sort of 00:05:51.980 --> 00:05:53.319 what he was doing. Obviously, you can't bring 00:05:53.319 --> 00:05:55.459 your family up to the cockpit, you know, as you're 00:05:55.459 --> 00:05:58.699 doing the approach anymore, probably. But but 00:05:58.699 --> 00:06:01.199 but still that same like getting to sort of experience 00:06:01.199 --> 00:06:05.379 it together. Yes. Yeah. That was not only did 00:06:05.379 --> 00:06:07.639 I get to see the layers, but I got the kind of 00:06:07.639 --> 00:06:10.000 behind the scenes look. And again, that was what 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:14.399 hooked me. Yeah, for sure. That's so cool. Are 00:06:14.399 --> 00:06:16.980 there any ways that you think your faith impacts 00:06:16.980 --> 00:06:21.079 the way that you do your job? I mean, there definitely 00:06:21.079 --> 00:06:28.240 is. Even just thinking about an approach to work 00:06:28.240 --> 00:06:33.500 and how you do things. Just preparing for this, 00:06:33.560 --> 00:06:36.100 I was looking at like Colossians three twenty 00:06:36.100 --> 00:06:38.000 three, I believe it is, and it's just talking 00:06:38.000 --> 00:06:40.769 about. you know, whatever you do, do it with 00:06:40.769 --> 00:06:43.290 excellence as to the Lord. Right. That's a paraphrase. 00:06:43.389 --> 00:06:47.769 But it's this idea that. And I'm fortunate because 00:06:47.769 --> 00:06:50.629 I like being a pilot, so the work sometimes comes 00:06:50.629 --> 00:06:54.029 naturally, not always, but sometimes to to kind 00:06:54.029 --> 00:06:57.569 of put the time in, put the study in, get in 00:06:57.569 --> 00:07:00.149 the books, make sure you're you're doing everything 00:07:00.149 --> 00:07:04.430 that you can to be the best that you can be at 00:07:04.430 --> 00:07:07.879 it. And that. That rubs off on people in the 00:07:07.879 --> 00:07:09.279 workplace. They could see that you're taking 00:07:09.279 --> 00:07:11.120 it seriously and it's important to do that right 00:07:11.120 --> 00:07:16.959 because safety Oriented industry, but just that 00:07:16.959 --> 00:07:22.300 approach to it I Find is important and when I 00:07:22.300 --> 00:07:26.019 do that, I'm not doing it for others sure I am 00:07:26.019 --> 00:07:28.079 but secondarily maybe it's it's something that 00:07:28.079 --> 00:07:34.339 I'm doing for the Lord Other ways it's more just 00:07:35.350 --> 00:07:37.350 Any other workplace right you're working with 00:07:37.350 --> 00:07:43.069 people you want to Just exemplify the fruits 00:07:43.069 --> 00:07:44.990 of the spirit you want to treat people with kindness 00:07:44.990 --> 00:07:49.069 and love you want to be merciful and gracious 00:07:49.069 --> 00:07:53.230 Pilots are typically type a personalities sometimes 00:07:53.230 --> 00:07:57.089 we come across as brash or very forward so in 00:07:57.089 --> 00:08:00.910 dealing with people I try and Yeah, the language 00:08:00.910 --> 00:08:03.670 you use sometimes in the in the flight deck it 00:08:03.670 --> 00:08:07.319 could be it can turn a little bit. I don't want 00:08:07.319 --> 00:08:09.839 to say vulgar. I'll say maybe secular, like loose 00:08:09.839 --> 00:08:12.519 lips and things like that. So just kind of, you 00:08:12.519 --> 00:08:15.639 know, putting forward your values when it comes 00:08:15.639 --> 00:08:19.980 to speech and things like that. The other thing 00:08:19.980 --> 00:08:22.160 that's interesting, too, is I was thinking about 00:08:22.160 --> 00:08:24.139 this in a workplace and trying to, let's say, 00:08:24.180 --> 00:08:27.459 even share your faith with someone or directly. 00:08:28.160 --> 00:08:32.559 It is challenging in my role because typically 00:08:32.559 --> 00:08:35.450 we'll show up at the flight planning room or 00:08:35.450 --> 00:08:37.549 the aircraft, and you're meeting somebody often 00:08:37.549 --> 00:08:40.409 for the first time. OK. Maybe if you've been 00:08:40.409 --> 00:08:42.190 on the airplane for a while, you've met them 00:08:42.190 --> 00:08:44.870 before. But it's often you're just getting to 00:08:44.870 --> 00:08:47.210 know this person, and you have to kind of come 00:08:47.210 --> 00:08:50.049 together as a team to complete this complex task. 00:08:50.669 --> 00:08:52.470 So first of all, you have to find time to kind 00:08:52.470 --> 00:08:55.710 of be maybe a bit more, let's say, the direct 00:08:55.710 --> 00:08:59.029 approach. But you don't have a relationship with 00:08:59.029 --> 00:09:01.090 this person. Right. Yeah, yeah. So you're kind 00:09:01.090 --> 00:09:05.679 of doing small talk. So it is a bit more challenging, 00:09:05.679 --> 00:09:07.379 you know, if you're talking about what you've 00:09:07.379 --> 00:09:09.659 been up to or how your week's been, you can talk 00:09:09.659 --> 00:09:11.440 about the things that are important to you, like 00:09:11.440 --> 00:09:13.139 church or things like that. Sometimes that sparks 00:09:13.139 --> 00:09:15.279 more interest, other times they just kind of 00:09:15.279 --> 00:09:17.740 brush it by. But there have been some times too 00:09:17.740 --> 00:09:21.879 where I've, and maybe even for the first time 00:09:21.879 --> 00:09:23.379 when you meet somebody over the course of my 00:09:23.379 --> 00:09:24.980 career, where you just get into the faith talk 00:09:24.980 --> 00:09:30.600 and you start hashing it out. Most times that's 00:09:30.600 --> 00:09:33.370 happened, it elicits like, surprise from the 00:09:33.370 --> 00:09:35.090 other person. They're kind of surprised that 00:09:35.090 --> 00:09:37.169 you're a Christian. I don't know if it's, if 00:09:37.169 --> 00:09:39.309 you looked in the stats of the industry, if it 00:09:39.309 --> 00:09:42.769 doesn't reflect maybe society as a whole, but 00:09:42.769 --> 00:09:44.950 yeah, often they're taken aback that you're like, 00:09:44.970 --> 00:09:47.490 oh, you go to church or you're spiritual or you 00:09:47.490 --> 00:09:50.070 believe in God. Right. Sometimes it doesn't go 00:09:50.070 --> 00:09:51.929 anywhere, but like there has been times where 00:09:51.929 --> 00:09:54.929 it's almost become a bit of a back and forth 00:09:54.929 --> 00:09:57.649 because the person is maybe not a Christian or 00:09:57.649 --> 00:10:00.769 has different beliefs than you. Right. So yeah, 00:10:00.809 --> 00:10:03.190 I forgot the question now. Maybe I'm right. No, 00:10:03.289 --> 00:10:05.169 no, no, no, that's really interesting. Yeah. 00:10:05.289 --> 00:10:07.230 To think about like, I guess one of the things 00:10:07.230 --> 00:10:09.330 that I didn't think about is like other people 00:10:09.330 --> 00:10:11.970 like me or others who work in a sort of, I don't 00:10:11.970 --> 00:10:15.090 know, regular stable sort of job, like, like 00:10:15.090 --> 00:10:17.659 in a building. I work with the same people all 00:10:17.659 --> 00:10:22.139 the time. But yeah, if you have a new co -pilot 00:10:22.139 --> 00:10:25.519 or a new flight crew every time you walk onto 00:10:25.519 --> 00:10:27.960 an airplane, that gives you a lot of opportunity 00:10:27.960 --> 00:10:33.000 to meet people. Yeah, a lot of opportunity, but 00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:34.879 not a lot of groundwork's been laid yet. So you're 00:10:34.879 --> 00:10:37.240 starting new every time almost. So sometimes 00:10:37.240 --> 00:10:39.799 it takes a bit of a different approach if you're 00:10:39.799 --> 00:10:43.139 interested in sharing your faith. Sure. Yeah. 00:10:44.600 --> 00:10:47.860 Are there ways that your work causes challenges 00:10:47.860 --> 00:10:50.620 in your life and maybe in your faith life or 00:10:50.620 --> 00:10:56.639 just in general? I mean, this would be maybe 00:10:56.639 --> 00:11:00.120 the con of the schedule that we were talking 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:01.539 about earlier. I mentioned some of the pros, 00:11:01.600 --> 00:11:04.600 but the cons would be just planning life out 00:11:04.600 --> 00:11:09.480 because our schedules. So, yeah, our schedules 00:11:09.480 --> 00:11:12.309 come out. a couple weeks before the next month 00:11:12.309 --> 00:11:14.429 starts. So if I want to plan further out, it's 00:11:14.429 --> 00:11:17.210 a bit difficult. Being on the road, I'm on the 00:11:17.210 --> 00:11:19.429 road for a few days. You know, Rochelle is a 00:11:19.429 --> 00:11:21.750 single parent essentially, so that puts a strain 00:11:21.750 --> 00:11:24.830 on her. For sure. Let's say being on the road, 00:11:25.289 --> 00:11:30.669 being away from your family, you just have to 00:11:30.669 --> 00:11:34.029 be a bit more, I guess, aware of what maybe some 00:11:34.029 --> 00:11:37.309 of your temptations are, things like that. You 00:11:37.309 --> 00:11:40.929 know, if you struggle with alcohol, maybe you 00:11:40.929 --> 00:11:43.330 have an easy, no one's checking on you. You can 00:11:43.330 --> 00:11:46.230 just go and drink more than you normally would. 00:11:46.389 --> 00:11:49.789 If it's things like sexual temptations, you gotta 00:11:49.789 --> 00:11:52.350 make sure that you're not putting yourselves 00:11:52.350 --> 00:11:55.850 in situations where you don't wanna be in. You 00:11:55.850 --> 00:11:59.330 might have to put limits on your phone access 00:11:59.330 --> 00:12:02.710 or things like that. You might have to excuse 00:12:02.710 --> 00:12:06.860 yourself from, a dinner earlier than you wanted 00:12:06.860 --> 00:12:09.659 to if things aren't going where you want. Right. 00:12:10.679 --> 00:12:13.159 Yeah, those would be the main ones. Like, there's 00:12:13.159 --> 00:12:15.899 obviously smaller things like fatigue, right? 00:12:16.019 --> 00:12:17.559 Sure. If you have red -eye, you get home, you're 00:12:17.559 --> 00:12:20.080 tired, you got to sleep, things like that. Stress. 00:12:20.700 --> 00:12:22.820 You know, every job has these things, but there 00:12:22.820 --> 00:12:25.039 are some of the unique ones maybe to aviation 00:12:25.039 --> 00:12:27.659 where you're, I would say, mostly related to 00:12:27.659 --> 00:12:30.799 kind of being on your own in hotel rooms without 00:12:30.799 --> 00:12:33.759 accountability, things like that. Yeah. Yeah. 00:12:34.039 --> 00:12:36.840 Yeah and so interesting to to then think about 00:12:36.840 --> 00:12:38.539 you know what you were just saying about having 00:12:38.539 --> 00:12:41.259 new co -workers all of the time right? There 00:12:41.259 --> 00:12:45.220 is not even there's not even in in your workplace 00:12:45.220 --> 00:12:47.279 there's not even that you don't get to build 00:12:47.279 --> 00:12:49.440 that same relationship with someone where you 00:12:49.440 --> 00:12:52.840 can yeah hold each other accountable or or yeah. 00:12:53.220 --> 00:12:56.679 Yeah and and then oftentimes your colleagues 00:12:56.679 --> 00:12:58.220 that you're working with have different values 00:12:58.220 --> 00:13:02.980 anyways right they sure yeah the thing that you're 00:13:02.919 --> 00:13:05.440 you know, avoiding they maybe run to at times 00:13:05.440 --> 00:13:09.039 as a generality. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That can that 00:13:09.039 --> 00:13:13.200 can make it challenging for sure. So then how 00:13:13.200 --> 00:13:16.659 how do you think your faith like helps you work 00:13:16.659 --> 00:13:23.519 through some of those challenges? I think it's. 00:13:24.539 --> 00:13:26.600 Each person is going to have different challenges, 00:13:26.740 --> 00:13:29.379 so the challenges, the challenges that I face 00:13:29.379 --> 00:13:33.750 aren't going to be maybe with the next. Christian 00:13:33.750 --> 00:13:38.649 pilot faces. But I think the word they used is 00:13:38.649 --> 00:13:41.870 important is work at. So it's a process. It's 00:13:41.870 --> 00:13:45.669 something that you sometimes maybe fail at earlier 00:13:45.669 --> 00:13:48.090 on so that you can grow from later. It's trying 00:13:48.090 --> 00:13:54.009 to be self -aware in understanding the... you 00:13:54.009 --> 00:13:55.750 know, some of the temptations you face so that 00:13:55.750 --> 00:13:58.450 you can, you know, work at overcoming them and 00:13:58.450 --> 00:14:00.549 what do I need to do to kind of be, you know, 00:14:00.730 --> 00:14:02.830 spiritually safe and on the road and things like 00:14:02.830 --> 00:14:10.049 that. Mm hmm. Yeah, I think those are maybe some 00:14:10.049 --> 00:14:14.730 of the ways to to help combat it. Yeah. Yeah, 00:14:14.830 --> 00:14:18.990 no, for sure. Yeah. And are there ways we've 00:14:18.990 --> 00:14:23.049 talked about how your faith shapes your work? 00:14:23.230 --> 00:14:26.490 But are there ways that you think your work has 00:14:26.490 --> 00:14:29.649 influenced your faith? Yeah, things that you've 00:14:29.649 --> 00:14:32.490 learned or done as a pilot that have changed 00:14:32.490 --> 00:14:35.470 your understanding of God? I mean, for sure. 00:14:37.850 --> 00:14:41.850 Some of it ties into the aspect of the job itself 00:14:41.850 --> 00:14:43.970 and traveling around and seeing different places. 00:14:44.070 --> 00:14:45.769 That would be the most obvious one, because as 00:14:45.769 --> 00:14:47.370 you're going around the world, you're seeing 00:14:47.759 --> 00:14:49.759 different cities, different cultures, different 00:14:49.759 --> 00:14:52.320 countries, different vistas and landscapes and 00:14:52.320 --> 00:14:56.259 things like that. So part of it is almost like 00:14:56.259 --> 00:14:59.100 an awe that you come to appreciate. You see how 00:14:59.100 --> 00:15:02.220 much bigger God is when you see more of the world. 00:15:02.419 --> 00:15:05.399 And not everyone has that advantage. But when 00:15:05.399 --> 00:15:07.779 you do have it, it's important, I think, recognize 00:15:07.779 --> 00:15:11.700 it. And things like flying across the country 00:15:11.700 --> 00:15:16.350 at night and seeing super bright stars and things 00:15:16.350 --> 00:15:19.529 like the Northern Lights. You're flying across 00:15:19.529 --> 00:15:22.649 Canada in the middle of the night and you just 00:15:22.649 --> 00:15:25.490 see a blanket of colors and see the Northern 00:15:25.490 --> 00:15:29.169 Lights. It makes you take a step back and think 00:15:29.169 --> 00:15:33.250 how amazing God is. I like snorkeling. There's 00:15:33.250 --> 00:15:34.889 been some places I've gone where I'm able to 00:15:34.889 --> 00:15:37.950 be at work snorkeling. I think I'm getting paid 00:15:37.950 --> 00:15:42.039 for this. Like you go under the water and you 00:15:42.039 --> 00:15:45.539 see a whole new world and colors and fish and 00:15:45.539 --> 00:15:47.840 corals and things like that. I think it's so 00:15:47.840 --> 00:15:50.480 cool that this was here and it's been here for 00:15:50.480 --> 00:15:54.340 a long time and God had specific intentions for 00:15:54.340 --> 00:15:56.940 that. Being in Europe and seeing different cultures 00:15:56.940 --> 00:15:59.360 and the way people do things and how God's designed 00:15:59.360 --> 00:16:03.139 people to be so diverse in that respect. It's 00:16:03.139 --> 00:16:07.009 just, yeah, a lot of that has... sunk into me. 00:16:07.009 --> 00:16:08.389 And there's been moments where like it's a hard 00:16:08.389 --> 00:16:10.509 job. There's risk involved in it. There's been 00:16:10.509 --> 00:16:13.450 a few times where, you know, maybe earlier in 00:16:13.450 --> 00:16:15.549 my career where you get into some situations 00:16:15.549 --> 00:16:17.909 you don't want to be in and you kind of say a 00:16:17.909 --> 00:16:20.929 quick prayer. And to this point, God's been faithful 00:16:20.929 --> 00:16:24.570 to maybe rescue me from things that I either 00:16:24.570 --> 00:16:27.529 got myself into or I sometimes it's just, you 00:16:27.529 --> 00:16:29.730 just find yourself in a difficult situation and 00:16:29.730 --> 00:16:32.549 He's been able to, to, you know, see me through 00:16:32.549 --> 00:16:36.860 those things. So. Yeah, I've been able to just 00:16:36.860 --> 00:16:39.120 see those things throughout my career. Hopefully, 00:16:39.159 --> 00:16:42.580 as it goes on, I can continue to not just take 00:16:42.580 --> 00:16:45.000 it for granted, but to see how God is working 00:16:45.000 --> 00:16:49.519 in the different ways. There's a group of Christian 00:16:49.519 --> 00:16:52.460 Pilots that meet occasionally. And actually, 00:16:52.460 --> 00:16:53.860 we're meeting tomorrow, so I'm looking forward 00:16:53.860 --> 00:16:55.679 to it because it's been a while, maybe even since 00:16:55.679 --> 00:16:59.460 before COVID. But seeing other believers in the 00:16:59.460 --> 00:17:06.409 industry is a huge encouragement for me. Because 00:17:06.409 --> 00:17:08.609 for one reason or another, you just you don't 00:17:08.609 --> 00:17:11.910 run into Christian pilots all that often. Sure. 00:17:12.769 --> 00:17:14.569 Part of it is you're not, you know, you work 00:17:14.569 --> 00:17:16.589 with one one week and then you might be off for 00:17:16.589 --> 00:17:18.910 another week. You're not like the turnover is 00:17:18.910 --> 00:17:21.250 maybe a little bit small. So when you do, it's 00:17:21.250 --> 00:17:23.890 it's yeah, it's meaningful. And it's kind of 00:17:23.890 --> 00:17:26.740 you get a bit of that. sense of, you know, I'm 00:17:26.740 --> 00:17:28.579 not alone. You don't have to cry out like Elijah, 00:17:28.640 --> 00:17:30.799 like, I'm the last one here. Like, no one's left 00:17:30.799 --> 00:17:34.420 but me. So it's, yeah, I love having those moments 00:17:34.420 --> 00:17:38.740 where you are able to kind of find a brother 00:17:38.740 --> 00:17:40.900 and sister in Christ and just share how their 00:17:40.900 --> 00:17:43.000 experience has been. So it's good. There's a 00:17:43.000 --> 00:17:46.000 guy that organizes a breakfast, so I'm happy 00:17:46.000 --> 00:17:47.839 to kind of do that. And it's not even just my 00:17:47.839 --> 00:17:50.119 company, other companies across Canada that... 00:17:50.700 --> 00:17:53.200 that pilots show up for, so that's important 00:17:53.200 --> 00:17:55.339 as well. Mm -hmm, yeah, I know, that's awesome. 00:17:55.960 --> 00:17:58.980 Yeah, really good that you can find that sense 00:17:58.980 --> 00:18:02.640 of community, right? And, yeah, encourage one 00:18:02.640 --> 00:18:06.039 another. Yeah, yeah, for sure. That's been big 00:18:06.039 --> 00:18:09.779 for me. And there's been some discouragements 00:18:09.779 --> 00:18:12.119 with that, too. Sure. You see guys that you connect 00:18:12.119 --> 00:18:13.900 with, you have the deep talks with, and then 00:18:13.900 --> 00:18:15.440 maybe you see them a few laters and they've kind 00:18:15.440 --> 00:18:17.940 of... it's not as important to them anymore. 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:21.259 Flash in the pan maybe. But yeah, there's definitely 00:18:21.259 --> 00:18:28.019 a few maybe peers I would call them in my career 00:18:28.019 --> 00:18:30.420 where I don't see them that often. But when I 00:18:30.420 --> 00:18:32.500 do, it's always like, hey, how are you doing? 00:18:32.680 --> 00:18:35.220 Are you still following in the faith? And you 00:18:35.220 --> 00:18:36.799 get that glint that they are and you talk about 00:18:36.799 --> 00:18:38.200 it. And you're like, OK, that's good to know 00:18:38.200 --> 00:18:42.910 that we're in this together. there's more than 00:18:42.910 --> 00:18:44.470 just me. Because again, when you're working one 00:18:44.470 --> 00:18:46.490 -on -one all the time, it can sometimes feel 00:18:46.490 --> 00:18:48.809 like that as opposed to a big workplace where 00:18:48.809 --> 00:18:51.890 you get to know who people are and what they 00:18:51.890 --> 00:18:56.490 believe and meld that way. Yeah, for sure. You 00:18:56.490 --> 00:18:58.910 don't get to find your people in the same sort 00:18:58.910 --> 00:19:00.970 of way. You're almost working with strangers 00:19:00.970 --> 00:19:04.710 each time. Yeah. Yeah, that's really interesting. 00:19:05.069 --> 00:19:06.690 Like, yeah, again, not something I would have 00:19:06.690 --> 00:19:10.009 sort of thought of. But yeah, really, really 00:19:10.009 --> 00:19:11.829 interesting to sort of think about. We even do 00:19:11.829 --> 00:19:14.930 training throughout the year, because they recognize 00:19:14.930 --> 00:19:17.509 this idea that two completely different people 00:19:17.509 --> 00:19:19.690 have to come together and execute this complex 00:19:19.690 --> 00:19:23.430 task. So how do we do that? Because there's different 00:19:23.430 --> 00:19:26.329 ways to do that, like checklists and SOPs, standard 00:19:26.329 --> 00:19:28.849 operating procedures and things like that. But 00:19:28.849 --> 00:19:33.690 even when it comes to building the emotional 00:19:33.690 --> 00:19:36.269 groundwork to be able to dig into deeper areas. 00:19:36.710 --> 00:19:40.809 Yeah, it's it's a challenge of the role of the 00:19:40.809 --> 00:19:44.230 job. Mm hmm. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, 00:19:44.230 --> 00:19:46.190 I think the other thing that I was thinking about 00:19:46.190 --> 00:19:49.109 as you were talking was, you know, when your 00:19:49.109 --> 00:19:53.089 schedule is such that like, yeah, we were talking 00:19:53.089 --> 00:19:54.769 before you said you try to take Sundays off, 00:19:54.829 --> 00:19:56.869 but you can't always do that. Right. And so that 00:19:56.869 --> 00:19:59.569 I think that makes it hard sometimes to like 00:19:59.569 --> 00:20:04.079 build habits. Yeah, for sure. And whether that's 00:20:04.079 --> 00:20:07.660 daily habits of faith or those weekly going to 00:20:07.660 --> 00:20:10.319 church and things like that. I can see why being 00:20:10.319 --> 00:20:13.559 a pilot would take a toll on your faith in that 00:20:13.559 --> 00:20:17.259 way. Yeah, and sometimes you're listening to 00:20:17.259 --> 00:20:20.319 podcasts or books and they're trying to instill 00:20:20.319 --> 00:20:22.299 habits in you and they're like, oh, every morning 00:20:22.299 --> 00:20:24.980 I wake up at seven and I do this thing. I'm like, 00:20:24.980 --> 00:20:26.920 oh, that's nice for you, but I can't always do 00:20:26.920 --> 00:20:29.460 that, right? So the challenge is, well, how do 00:20:29.460 --> 00:20:33.049 I And this has been an ongoing thing because 00:20:33.049 --> 00:20:34.890 I do try and build some of these habits even 00:20:34.890 --> 00:20:37.710 when I'm on the road, but it's like, when you're 00:20:37.710 --> 00:20:39.210 out of your space, you're like, okay, well now 00:20:39.210 --> 00:20:41.849 I'm gonna do my devotions in my Bible and praying 00:20:41.849 --> 00:20:45.009 in this hotel room. But sometimes it's hard, 00:20:45.089 --> 00:20:46.750 it's like, this isn't my space, it's not what 00:20:46.750 --> 00:20:49.809 I'm expecting. Like the time isn't what I was 00:20:49.809 --> 00:20:51.750 expecting. Now I'm at like one in the afternoon 00:20:51.750 --> 00:20:53.890 because I was having to sleep after the flight. 00:20:54.490 --> 00:20:56.789 So yeah, it is more challenging to try and build 00:20:56.789 --> 00:20:59.539 those habits. And even like, There's stuff that 00:20:59.539 --> 00:21:02.380 go on throughout the week here, like the beer 00:21:02.380 --> 00:21:04.259 and banter. I don't know if JP is listening, 00:21:04.400 --> 00:21:06.000 but he's always like, oh, you haven't been a 00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:07.519 beer and banter in so long. Like, are you trying 00:21:07.519 --> 00:21:09.279 to avoid me? I'm like, no, I'm not. I'm just 00:21:09.279 --> 00:21:11.640 like, I have to work some days during the week. 00:21:11.759 --> 00:21:14.940 I'm going to be off, you know, Sundays and Saturdays. 00:21:14.940 --> 00:21:16.859 That means I'm usually busy during the week, 00:21:17.039 --> 00:21:23.299 but I'm not trying to avoid you, JP. Yeah, yeah, 00:21:23.420 --> 00:21:27.930 no, for sure. So. You talked about, you know, 00:21:28.009 --> 00:21:29.990 how sometimes it's hard to find other Christians 00:21:29.990 --> 00:21:33.509 in the airline industry. So our podcast doesn't 00:21:33.509 --> 00:21:36.329 have a huge reach, but if there are other folks 00:21:36.329 --> 00:21:38.809 listening who are Christians in the airline industry, 00:21:38.950 --> 00:21:41.329 like what would you want to sort of say to them? 00:21:41.509 --> 00:21:43.309 Well, I would say you're not alone, first of 00:21:43.309 --> 00:21:46.130 all, because there's many of us, even stories 00:21:46.130 --> 00:21:47.950 of my dad working with Christian guys and the 00:21:47.950 --> 00:21:51.250 relationships that they had. And then also, yeah, 00:21:51.349 --> 00:21:53.960 so. hang tight because you will come across them 00:21:53.960 --> 00:21:55.859 and that'll be a time of encouragement for you 00:21:55.859 --> 00:21:58.299 and then also just protect yourself when you're 00:21:58.299 --> 00:22:00.619 on the road make sure you know what your what 00:22:00.619 --> 00:22:03.700 your struggles are and put things in place to 00:22:04.349 --> 00:22:06.089 Yeah, just guard your heart so that you don't 00:22:06.089 --> 00:22:07.849 fall into those things, because it can be easy 00:22:07.849 --> 00:22:10.309 without the accountability and being on the road 00:22:10.309 --> 00:22:12.529 like that. So, I mean, there's more that could 00:22:12.529 --> 00:22:14.789 be said, but I'll leave people with two things. 00:22:14.809 --> 00:22:17.089 Yeah, that's really solid. Yeah. Well, thank 00:22:17.089 --> 00:22:19.549 you so much, Andrew. This has been a really interesting 00:22:19.549 --> 00:22:22.170 conversation and I think really helpful for us 00:22:22.170 --> 00:22:24.390 to think about, yeah, what does our faith look 00:22:24.390 --> 00:22:27.589 like in jobs that have a lot of ups and downs, 00:22:27.730 --> 00:22:30.970 a lot of uncertainty maybe, but. But yeah, you're 00:22:30.970 --> 00:22:32.809 doing it. Well, I think yeah, and I've been really 00:22:32.809 --> 00:22:35.529 blessed. God's blessed me in my in my career 00:22:35.529 --> 00:22:38.960 I mentioned those few times where You pray to 00:22:38.960 --> 00:22:41.220 him and he rescues you from different scenarios. 00:22:42.119 --> 00:22:45.180 And yeah, I'm just very thankful and want to 00:22:45.180 --> 00:22:47.099 praise God for that. And if I ever do change 00:22:47.099 --> 00:22:48.759 careers, which I'm not planning on, then you 00:22:48.759 --> 00:22:51.579 can have me back. Okay. We'll talk again. Sounds 00:22:51.579 --> 00:22:54.359 good. Yeah. Well, thank you for listening to 00:22:54.359 --> 00:22:57.140 this week's episode of Trinity Talks. I hope 00:22:57.140 --> 00:22:59.799 that you have also found some encouragement and 00:22:59.799 --> 00:23:02.779 challenge in this conversation to carry forward 00:23:02.779 --> 00:23:05.660 into your own work, life, whatever that looks 00:23:05.660 --> 00:23:07.799 like for you. and we'll see you again next week.