WEBVTT 00:00:04.409 --> 00:00:07.169 Hello everyone and welcome to this week's episode 00:00:07.169 --> 00:00:10.210 of Trinity Talks. My name is Kyla. My name is 00:00:10.210 --> 00:00:15.849 Bill. I'm Justin. And we are here on Easter Sunday 00:00:15.849 --> 00:00:19.129 to talk about the reason for Easter Sunday, which 00:00:19.129 --> 00:00:22.309 is resurrection. Resurrection. Yeah, it's a pretty 00:00:22.309 --> 00:00:25.829 cool thing. It's a fun word. Yep. Yeah. So yeah, 00:00:25.929 --> 00:00:28.250 I really just wanted us to sort of sit down and 00:00:28.250 --> 00:00:31.109 talk about, you know, why is Easter Sunday such 00:00:31.109 --> 00:00:35.719 a big deal? And why? does this resurrection continue 00:00:35.719 --> 00:00:40.259 to sort of matter for us? Yeah, so this whole 00:00:40.259 --> 00:00:42.719 weekend, Rob sort of took us through it in the 00:00:42.719 --> 00:00:46.039 sermon. You know, there's Good Friday, when we 00:00:46.039 --> 00:00:49.200 remember that Christ was crucified. There's Saturday, 00:00:49.399 --> 00:00:52.140 which is a sort of day of waiting and confusion 00:00:52.140 --> 00:00:55.020 and nobody really knows what to think. And then 00:00:55.020 --> 00:00:57.640 there's today, where we celebrate Christ's resurrection. 00:00:58.820 --> 00:01:00.979 So I want us to first reflect on like how to 00:01:01.149 --> 00:01:03.710 each of those things relate to one another. Why 00:01:03.710 --> 00:01:06.430 do we need a crucifixion and a resurrection? 00:01:07.810 --> 00:01:11.310 And yeah, how do they matter? When I was talking 00:01:11.310 --> 00:01:13.370 with someone else about this this morning, they 00:01:13.370 --> 00:01:15.950 very matter -of -factly said, well, Jesus can't 00:01:15.950 --> 00:01:18.670 just stay dead. And I was like, you know what? 00:01:18.670 --> 00:01:22.189 Fair. That's true. Peter said it was impossible 00:01:22.189 --> 00:01:24.709 for death to hold him. Okay. Well, there you 00:01:24.709 --> 00:01:27.659 go. So it's literally impossible for Jesus to 00:01:27.659 --> 00:01:31.299 stay dead. But other than that, how does one 00:01:31.299 --> 00:01:36.040 sort of relate to the other? Bill? Well, that 00:01:36.040 --> 00:01:38.640 sounds like an excellent theological question, 00:01:39.099 --> 00:01:42.340 Justin. So you want to know why we need both 00:01:42.340 --> 00:01:46.319 the crucifixion and the resurrection? Yeah. Well, 00:01:46.500 --> 00:01:50.579 I mean, the thing about Jesus is he's bigger 00:01:50.579 --> 00:01:52.819 than just kind of a leader with some good advice. 00:01:53.019 --> 00:01:56.829 Yep. He is according to the scriptures sort of 00:01:56.829 --> 00:02:00.090 the fulcrum or the centerpiece of all of reality 00:02:00.090 --> 00:02:04.790 all of creation all of our lives who we are So 00:02:04.790 --> 00:02:09.169 he is taking creation through a journey Okay 00:02:09.169 --> 00:02:13.090 Through Friday to Sunday in the crucifixion. 00:02:13.090 --> 00:02:15.530 We all know that because well, maybe we don't 00:02:15.530 --> 00:02:20.770 know but Scripture teaches that we've got a problem 00:02:21.820 --> 00:02:24.719 between ourselves and God and one another and 00:02:24.719 --> 00:02:28.300 that is we have decided that we could be better 00:02:28.300 --> 00:02:31.699 without God than with God and that set off a 00:02:31.699 --> 00:02:34.020 whole chain of events in scripture that alienates 00:02:34.020 --> 00:02:37.400 us from God and sets us in relations of hostility 00:02:37.400 --> 00:02:40.259 with one another and that's called sin something 00:02:40.259 --> 00:02:43.400 we talked about the last few weeks here at Trinity 00:02:43.400 --> 00:02:49.340 and what God does right he could just smack us 00:02:49.340 --> 00:02:52.599 and say, as God was tempted to do several times 00:02:52.599 --> 00:02:54.500 in the Old Testament, the nation of Israel, this 00:02:54.500 --> 00:02:58.080 is it, I'm done with you people. I've given you 00:02:58.080 --> 00:03:00.280 the gift of life and grace and you've rejected 00:03:00.280 --> 00:03:03.439 it and thought you could do it on your own. But 00:03:03.439 --> 00:03:06.300 no, God doesn't do that. He says, I'm going to 00:03:06.300 --> 00:03:10.139 actually stand in solidarity with the very people 00:03:10.139 --> 00:03:13.099 that rebelled against me. I'm going to stand 00:03:13.099 --> 00:03:15.039 in solidarity so much that I'm going to become 00:03:15.039 --> 00:03:17.319 one of them. I'm going to become a human being. 00:03:17.880 --> 00:03:21.180 And all of the consequences of living apart from 00:03:21.180 --> 00:03:25.500 God, I mean, God is life itself. So to turn our 00:03:25.500 --> 00:03:28.840 backs on God is to choose death over life. And 00:03:28.840 --> 00:03:30.219 God says, you know what, I'm going to become 00:03:30.219 --> 00:03:32.280 a human being and I'm going to traverse those 00:03:32.280 --> 00:03:35.139 consequences for human beings. I'm going to go 00:03:35.139 --> 00:03:39.120 through death. And as I go through death, I'm 00:03:39.120 --> 00:03:43.400 going to transform it from being a threat to 00:03:43.400 --> 00:03:46.889 being Oh, something that is powerless, that's 00:03:46.889 --> 00:03:51.330 merely a gateway into life. So the crucifixion 00:03:51.330 --> 00:03:55.169 is necessary because sort of the reality of sin, 00:03:55.229 --> 00:03:57.610 the fact that we turned our backs on God, needs 00:03:57.610 --> 00:04:01.650 to be dealt with. And the resurrection is the 00:04:01.650 --> 00:04:03.430 word that says, you know what, those consequences 00:04:03.430 --> 00:04:05.370 are not the end of the story. The point of all 00:04:05.370 --> 00:04:07.590 of this was that I could have a relationship 00:04:07.590 --> 00:04:10.969 with you, God says. And it's not just that God 00:04:10.969 --> 00:04:13.349 snaps his fingers. and makes all of that happen. 00:04:13.590 --> 00:04:16.410 He goes through that for us. He takes on our 00:04:16.410 --> 00:04:19.550 cause, takes on our case, takes on our flesh. 00:04:20.089 --> 00:04:23.389 And therefore, when God resurrects the Lord Jesus 00:04:23.389 --> 00:04:26.889 on Sunday, it's like us being resurrected. That's 00:04:26.889 --> 00:04:28.970 what Paul says several times in the letters. 00:04:29.110 --> 00:04:31.189 Jesus is the first fruits of the resurrection. 00:04:31.829 --> 00:04:34.290 We were all sliding down this pit into death. 00:04:34.930 --> 00:04:37.430 God takes up our cause in Christ. And therefore 00:04:37.430 --> 00:04:39.569 when the tomb is empty and he rises to new life, 00:04:39.589 --> 00:04:42.470 he's taking us with him the same way that he 00:04:42.470 --> 00:04:44.769 took on our case in front of him. Yeah, he's 00:04:44.769 --> 00:04:49.009 definitely taking us through a process. And one 00:04:49.009 --> 00:04:52.670 of the devotions from this past week was reflecting 00:04:52.670 --> 00:04:56.740 on Jesus said on the cross, it is finished. and 00:04:56.740 --> 00:05:03.600 not, I am finished. Telling us that he's doing 00:05:03.600 --> 00:05:06.259 something for us that we can't do for ourselves. 00:05:07.579 --> 00:05:09.879 So he's taking us through that process. This 00:05:09.879 --> 00:05:16.850 process is finished. put Jesus in place of us 00:05:16.850 --> 00:05:19.750 to take us through that process. And at that 00:05:19.750 --> 00:05:22.089 point in the cross, it wasn't him that was finished. 00:05:22.589 --> 00:05:26.790 Right. He will finish that process on our behalf. 00:05:27.329 --> 00:05:30.910 Right. Yeah. And actually the Greek word for 00:05:30.910 --> 00:05:34.230 it is finished could also be translated like 00:05:34.230 --> 00:05:38.500 it has now been perfected. Mm. Okay. That's cool. 00:05:38.560 --> 00:05:42.279 Like the goal of our existence is God wants to 00:05:42.279 --> 00:05:44.699 bring us to perfection. Okay. Not perfection, 00:05:45.019 --> 00:05:47.120 like really, you know, flawless, but he wants 00:05:47.120 --> 00:05:49.660 to bring us to full maturity. Right. Right. And 00:05:49.660 --> 00:05:52.420 when Jesus completes that act, he says, now I 00:05:52.420 --> 00:05:55.600 can bring humanity to its intended destination, 00:05:55.639 --> 00:05:57.540 which is life and fellowship with God and with 00:05:57.540 --> 00:06:00.220 one another. I mean, it's a powerful sort of 00:06:00.220 --> 00:06:02.220 declaration. Something only Jesus could say. 00:06:02.639 --> 00:06:04.759 Yeah. It's powerful, it's exciting, and it's 00:06:04.759 --> 00:06:08.879 hopeful. Yes. Yes. But I don't think it necessarily, 00:06:09.079 --> 00:06:11.480 at least for the disciples and those who were 00:06:11.480 --> 00:06:13.360 first gathered there, doesn't feel necessarily 00:06:13.360 --> 00:06:14.839 hopeful in the moment. Not in the moment. In 00:06:14.839 --> 00:06:17.300 the moment. But us looking back, we can definitely 00:06:17.300 --> 00:06:20.579 sort of see the hope that. And the hope starts 00:06:20.579 --> 00:06:23.379 there. It starts there. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean. 00:06:23.379 --> 00:06:26.180 You realize it on Sunday. Yeah. As you were talking, 00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:28.720 I was just like reflecting on the whole sort 00:06:28.720 --> 00:06:32.319 of story of Christ, right? And like all of it 00:06:32.319 --> 00:06:35.910 matters. Right? Like it, the incarnation from 00:06:35.910 --> 00:06:39.170 the moment that Christ takes on flesh, like starts 00:06:39.170 --> 00:06:42.069 a new thing. He's doing it for us. Yeah. He's 00:06:42.069 --> 00:06:46.810 going through life for us and sort of, um, like 00:06:46.810 --> 00:06:49.810 perfecting it, making it holy in every stage. 00:06:49.949 --> 00:06:52.329 Yeah. Which is actually, sorry, I'm going to 00:06:52.329 --> 00:06:55.449 be all theological now, but today, and this doesn't 00:06:55.449 --> 00:06:58.370 always happen. The Greek Orthodox Easter, the 00:06:58.370 --> 00:07:00.089 Orthodox Easter is the same day as the Roman 00:07:00.089 --> 00:07:01.949 Catholic and the Western Easter. So we're all 00:07:01.949 --> 00:07:05.470 celebrating together this particular year. But 00:07:05.470 --> 00:07:07.110 one of the great things that Orthodox theology 00:07:07.110 --> 00:07:10.329 says is that Jesus kind of goes through life 00:07:10.329 --> 00:07:13.089 and in each moment sanctifies it, which is a 00:07:13.089 --> 00:07:15.129 word that means makes holy or sets it apart. 00:07:16.250 --> 00:07:18.550 So, you know, you think of your own life. It's 00:07:18.550 --> 00:07:20.730 like Jesus goes through the awkward teenage years 00:07:20.730 --> 00:07:23.569 and perfects it for you. And makes that holy 00:07:23.569 --> 00:07:26.850 somehow? Yeah. He sort of makes it special and 00:07:26.850 --> 00:07:30.850 heals it in every step. Yeah. Okay. To the uttermost, 00:07:30.850 --> 00:07:33.910 ultimately, because he heals death. Right. Right. 00:07:34.009 --> 00:07:35.670 It's not just the awkward teen moments. It's 00:07:35.670 --> 00:07:39.110 not just the, you know, the first job and the 00:07:39.110 --> 00:07:40.810 first time you're on your own and all of that. 00:07:40.810 --> 00:07:44.740 Yeah. He goes through every stage to the point 00:07:44.740 --> 00:07:47.379 of death and therefore he redeems all of human 00:07:47.379 --> 00:07:51.180 life. And that's a really great contribution 00:07:51.180 --> 00:07:54.480 of the Eastern Church. It's the ultimate ability 00:07:54.480 --> 00:07:58.360 to relate. Yeah, I think when we're trying to 00:07:58.360 --> 00:08:02.980 get to know someone, we want them to relate to 00:08:02.980 --> 00:08:07.339 us or we want to relate to them. part of relationship, 00:08:07.699 --> 00:08:11.800 part of community. But Jesus is that great example. 00:08:12.720 --> 00:08:16.040 He was in that role. He knows what it's like. 00:08:16.360 --> 00:08:20.459 He has been in that place and he can relate to 00:08:20.459 --> 00:08:24.720 us. We can relate to him. For sure. Yeah. So 00:08:24.720 --> 00:08:29.000 then if all of it matters, you know, from the 00:08:29.000 --> 00:08:32.080 moment that Christ takes on flesh up until crucifixion 00:08:32.080 --> 00:08:34.600 and the resurrection and so on, like what... 00:08:34.700 --> 00:08:37.600 is particularly special about the resurrection, 00:08:38.000 --> 00:08:41.740 right? Because the church calendar has all been 00:08:41.740 --> 00:08:44.100 oriented around this particular day, right? Like 00:08:44.100 --> 00:08:46.679 we worship on Sunday morning because Christ was 00:08:46.679 --> 00:08:49.899 resurrected on Sunday. And every Sunday is supposed 00:08:49.899 --> 00:08:53.080 to be a kind of mini resurrection day, right? 00:08:53.080 --> 00:08:56.799 So what makes the resurrection particularly important? 00:08:58.740 --> 00:09:01.240 Well, I mean, Jesus isn't, again, he's not just 00:09:01.240 --> 00:09:03.820 going through death, he's defeating death. Right. 00:09:03.909 --> 00:09:06.450 Right? And when Jesus comes back to life, it's 00:09:06.450 --> 00:09:09.769 not like, it's not like Lazarus, you know the 00:09:09.769 --> 00:09:12.289 story of Lazarus? Yeah. So, Lazarus is this guy 00:09:12.289 --> 00:09:14.649 who died, and everyone's all sad about it, and 00:09:14.649 --> 00:09:16.490 Jesus comes and raises him back to life. Right. 00:09:16.610 --> 00:09:18.750 The difference between Lazarus and Jesus is Lazarus 00:09:18.750 --> 00:09:22.490 died again. Right. Right? Yeah. He brought Lazarus 00:09:22.490 --> 00:09:25.629 back to life to sort of give this sort of sign 00:09:25.629 --> 00:09:29.500 of... what was to come. Jesus' resurrection is 00:09:29.500 --> 00:09:31.299 different. He doesn't just come back to life 00:09:31.299 --> 00:09:33.320 to sort of start the process of aging and dying 00:09:33.320 --> 00:09:36.559 again. He comes back to life eternally. That's 00:09:36.559 --> 00:09:38.720 why we say eternal life is a part of the Christian 00:09:38.720 --> 00:09:42.700 faith. Right? So it's not just resetting the 00:09:42.700 --> 00:09:45.779 clock. It's a whole new life. In fact, Paul says 00:09:45.779 --> 00:09:48.639 whoever is in Christ is a new creation. Right. 00:09:48.960 --> 00:09:50.840 And that's not just because, you know, we're 00:09:50.840 --> 00:09:54.759 starting a fresh start. Right. It's like a where 00:09:54.759 --> 00:09:58.159 the future is going becomes real in Jesus. And 00:09:58.159 --> 00:10:00.039 that's what enables us to take advantage of all 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:03.340 the benefits of the blessings of God. We can 00:10:03.340 --> 00:10:06.240 be called righteous because of that. So for example, 00:10:07.059 --> 00:10:08.460 you know, when I look at my own life, I don't 00:10:08.460 --> 00:10:10.799 feel particularly godly and righteous. I sin 00:10:10.799 --> 00:10:14.139 every day. But because Jesus is resurrected, 00:10:14.360 --> 00:10:16.919 we get all the benefits as if we were in heaven 00:10:16.919 --> 00:10:19.539 right now, fully righteous and fully made holy. 00:10:20.909 --> 00:10:24.230 So it's kind of like we get to experience the 00:10:24.230 --> 00:10:28.409 happy ending of creation and human life ahead 00:10:28.409 --> 00:10:32.789 of schedule. Yes. Okay. Yeah. And resurrection 00:10:32.789 --> 00:10:37.090 is important because it's the center point of... 00:10:37.970 --> 00:10:41.629 existence, right? The center point of our humanity. 00:10:43.269 --> 00:10:46.070 It's like a fulcrum. Everything that happened 00:10:46.070 --> 00:10:49.110 before all comes down into that one point of 00:10:49.110 --> 00:10:53.090 resurrection. So all of human history, all of 00:10:53.090 --> 00:10:56.950 creation, all of the Old Testament, all the stories, 00:10:57.210 --> 00:11:00.789 all the promises, all of that just comes right 00:11:00.789 --> 00:11:03.429 down into that point, right where the resurrection 00:11:03.429 --> 00:11:05.629 happens. And then on the other side of that, 00:11:05.789 --> 00:11:09.429 That's where new life comes. And from that point 00:11:09.429 --> 00:11:13.389 of resurrection, right from that second, we become 00:11:13.389 --> 00:11:17.970 a new creation. And the other side of it just 00:11:17.970 --> 00:11:21.409 expands and grows. So the New Testament, the 00:11:21.409 --> 00:11:25.590 new life, all the world that exists now, all 00:11:25.590 --> 00:11:31.220 of us, are part of that resurrection life. Yeah, 00:11:31.440 --> 00:11:35.460 yeah, for sure. It starts a whole new kind of 00:11:35.460 --> 00:11:38.039 trajectory, right? It starts this whole new thing 00:11:38.039 --> 00:11:42.220 where we can say, yeah, that the new life is 00:11:42.220 --> 00:11:45.899 possible, that like, there is hope, even if we 00:11:45.899 --> 00:11:48.299 don't always feel it in the moment, right? Like, 00:11:48.299 --> 00:11:50.679 we know the end. That's why we have to have faith. 00:11:50.779 --> 00:11:54.240 Yes. Right? It's not like, God's like, all right, 00:11:54.240 --> 00:11:55.799 I'm going to make you all perfect right now. 00:11:55.840 --> 00:11:59.649 Right. If, in fact, if I look at myself, I don't 00:11:59.649 --> 00:12:02.450 feel very hopeful. Sure. Right. So the whole 00:12:02.450 --> 00:12:04.169 point of scripture is look at Jesus. Like that's 00:12:04.169 --> 00:12:07.110 where God's taken you. Right. God is taking you 00:12:07.110 --> 00:12:10.690 to the kind of life Jesus has. Right. Fully resurrected, 00:12:10.970 --> 00:12:13.629 glorified body in perfect fellowship with God 00:12:13.629 --> 00:12:16.110 and humanity and creation. That's where you're 00:12:16.110 --> 00:12:19.450 going. But you have to look at him. Yeah. Right. 00:12:19.450 --> 00:12:21.090 For it to make sense. Because if you look at 00:12:21.090 --> 00:12:23.889 yourself, you're going to feel, well, you know, 00:12:23.889 --> 00:12:25.830 I'm still messing up every day. I feel like I'm 00:12:25.830 --> 00:12:28.090 part of the old creation. That's why Christians 00:12:28.090 --> 00:12:30.350 have faith. That's why we call people to have 00:12:30.350 --> 00:12:32.629 faith. And that's the struggle. That's the hardest 00:12:32.629 --> 00:12:34.389 part of Christianity, but it's also the greatest 00:12:34.389 --> 00:12:37.129 hope. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's why there's 00:12:37.129 --> 00:12:40.909 renewal, right? We get bogged down by our own 00:12:40.909 --> 00:12:45.350 experience, by our own sense of sin, our own 00:12:45.350 --> 00:12:50.049 self. And then we can experience the renewal 00:12:50.049 --> 00:12:54.750 of the resurrection again and grow and build 00:12:54.750 --> 00:12:59.539 from there. Yeah. Yeah. So I want to go back 00:12:59.539 --> 00:13:02.200 a little bit to that tension between Friday and 00:13:02.200 --> 00:13:07.940 Sunday because I think The way that I think I 00:13:07.940 --> 00:13:10.000 was sort of conditioned to think about it is 00:13:10.000 --> 00:13:13.440 that like Friday is the day when like sin is 00:13:13.440 --> 00:13:16.360 dealt with And then Sunday's just like the happy 00:13:16.360 --> 00:13:20.960 after party. Kind of thing, right? Like sin is 00:13:20.960 --> 00:13:23.200 dealt with, oh, and Jesus is alive and like super 00:13:23.200 --> 00:13:26.899 powerful and cool. I mean, there was a bit more 00:13:26.899 --> 00:13:29.259 theological language than that, but like to really 00:13:29.259 --> 00:13:31.220 dumb it down. That sounds like the Marvel version 00:13:31.220 --> 00:13:34.500 of Bible, right? Yeah, Jesus resurrects and then 00:13:34.500 --> 00:13:36.580 lands on his knees with his hand and then looks 00:13:36.580 --> 00:13:39.159 up in a cool way. Yeah, exactly. The superhero 00:13:39.159 --> 00:13:42.700 pose that he lands on the ground. Yeah. But like, 00:13:42.759 --> 00:13:45.690 so when I was reading First Corinthians earlier 00:13:45.690 --> 00:13:48.049 this week, I was very godly of you. Oh, thank 00:13:48.049 --> 00:13:50.730 you. Well, we were going to talk about resurrection 00:13:50.730 --> 00:13:53.129 and Paul talks about resurrection and first Corinthians. 00:13:53.370 --> 00:13:55.409 So I'm just saying I'm impressed. Okay. Okay, 00:13:55.429 --> 00:13:59.350 great. Anyway, he talks about how if Christ is 00:13:59.350 --> 00:14:04.009 not raised, then we're dead in our sins. Whereas 00:14:04.009 --> 00:14:06.830 like, I don't, I just don't think I've made that 00:14:06.830 --> 00:14:09.230 particular connection between like resurrection 00:14:09.230 --> 00:14:12.809 and sin being dealt with. Can you like flesh 00:14:12.809 --> 00:14:21.350 that out a little bit for me? Yeah, so so we 00:14:21.350 --> 00:14:25.889 are sinners who sin. Yes. Right. So if if the 00:14:25.889 --> 00:14:29.110 crucifixion was only it, Jesus died. And even 00:14:29.110 --> 00:14:31.289 if he let's say he paid the price for our sins 00:14:31.289 --> 00:14:35.350 or whatever, we die with it. OK, he's got to 00:14:35.350 --> 00:14:38.169 find a way. That's a weird way to put it. But 00:14:38.169 --> 00:14:42.309 God's got a. Find a way to deal with the sin 00:14:42.309 --> 00:14:47.330 problem and save us Okay. Yeah, right. So So 00:14:47.330 --> 00:14:50.929 a human being right who represents all human 00:14:50.929 --> 00:14:54.809 beings. Yep dies bears the consequences of all 00:14:54.809 --> 00:14:58.009 our sin Yep, but God doesn't just leave us there 00:14:58.009 --> 00:15:00.649 right that right the whole point is to save us 00:15:00.649 --> 00:15:03.470 To fix us to redeem us to sort of set us back 00:15:03.470 --> 00:15:06.190 on the right track, right? So resurrections gotta 00:15:06.190 --> 00:15:10.919 happen or Or the point of it. God doesn't just 00:15:10.919 --> 00:15:14.720 want to get rid of sin. He wants us. Right? And 00:15:14.720 --> 00:15:17.139 to get us, he's got to bring us through that 00:15:17.139 --> 00:15:20.159 and give us a new kind of life. Sure. And again, 00:15:20.200 --> 00:15:22.519 the cool thing is God's not just doing this from 00:15:22.519 --> 00:15:25.000 like an external perspective, like snapping his 00:15:25.000 --> 00:15:27.600 fingers and conducting an orchestra of redemption. 00:15:27.720 --> 00:15:30.659 He's doing it himself. Right. Like he's standing 00:15:30.659 --> 00:15:33.980 alongside us. Yeah. Going through that experience 00:15:33.980 --> 00:15:36.000 of death and then coming out the other side. 00:15:36.259 --> 00:15:39.139 He's picturing what we're gonna all go through. 00:15:39.220 --> 00:15:42.440 Right. One day, which is, I mean, Paul does this, 00:15:42.519 --> 00:15:45.240 this is one of the reasons why baptism is so 00:15:45.240 --> 00:15:47.139 important, right? Paul says in Romans six, we 00:15:47.139 --> 00:15:51.659 go down in baptism. Yeah. Under the waters. or 00:15:51.659 --> 00:15:55.360 under the sprinkles. As the case might be. And 00:15:55.360 --> 00:15:58.240 then we come out the other side on life. We're 00:15:58.240 --> 00:16:00.799 sort of tracing, following Jesus' footsteps. 00:16:01.240 --> 00:16:04.799 Jesus did it for us. And we take advantage of 00:16:04.799 --> 00:16:06.580 that. Well, it's like you said at the beginning, 00:16:06.820 --> 00:16:12.179 Justin, that we were created for a relationship 00:16:12.179 --> 00:16:15.200 with God, and we were created in a right relationship 00:16:15.200 --> 00:16:19.019 with God. We screwed that up. and it took the 00:16:19.019 --> 00:16:23.220 process of the crucifixion and the resurrection 00:16:23.220 --> 00:16:26.940 to make it possible for us to once again be in 00:16:26.940 --> 00:16:30.379 a right relationship with God. I just I love 00:16:30.379 --> 00:16:35.100 how Jesus or God in Christ does that himself. 00:16:35.419 --> 00:16:37.480 Yeah. Or God's self. You know, it's not like 00:16:37.480 --> 00:16:39.279 God's just throwing a bunch of band -aids at 00:16:39.279 --> 00:16:41.720 us and fix your guys, fix yourselves up. Yeah. 00:16:42.179 --> 00:16:48.009 Right. He takes on our cause. Yeah. I mean, nobody 00:16:48.009 --> 00:16:50.730 does that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, nobody's got the 00:16:50.730 --> 00:16:54.250 power to do that. Sure. Right. To have full solidarity. 00:16:54.350 --> 00:16:56.350 We try to stand with those who are oppressed 00:16:56.350 --> 00:16:59.110 and those who are suffering. Only God can actually 00:16:59.110 --> 00:17:02.590 become the oppressed. Right. Become the sufferers, 00:17:02.789 --> 00:17:06.789 become the sinners. Right. And then save us through 00:17:06.789 --> 00:17:09.869 walking that distance. Yeah. Right. It's pretty 00:17:09.869 --> 00:17:11.589 awesome. It's one of the unique things about 00:17:11.589 --> 00:17:14.940 Christianity, I think. Yeah. And like. not something 00:17:14.940 --> 00:17:18.099 that God has to do, right? God can do it, and 00:17:18.099 --> 00:17:22.680 then God chooses to do it, right? And yeah, it's 00:17:22.680 --> 00:17:25.960 just, it's wild. Christianity is quite good. 00:17:26.660 --> 00:17:29.420 Yes, there we go. We'll just end there. Christianity 00:17:29.420 --> 00:17:31.920 is quite good. Rather good, even. Yeah, okay, 00:17:32.059 --> 00:17:36.740 great. So I want us to then think about why does 00:17:36.740 --> 00:17:39.640 all of this matter today? Like right now when 00:17:39.640 --> 00:17:41.779 I was talking to you earlier this morning You 00:17:41.779 --> 00:17:43.420 said we're gonna get together today and like 00:17:43.420 --> 00:17:45.819 celebrate the resurrection and be like all hype 00:17:45.819 --> 00:17:47.900 about this But then we're gonna like go back 00:17:47.900 --> 00:17:50.539 out into a world that still kind of sucks. Sometimes 00:17:50.539 --> 00:17:53.119 You didn't say it exactly like that, but that's 00:17:53.119 --> 00:17:58.440 my paraphrase again Yeah, so Why does the resurrection 00:17:58.440 --> 00:18:00.539 matter if we're still living in a world that 00:18:00.539 --> 00:18:03.440 kind of sucks? I think it gives us hope I think 00:18:03.440 --> 00:18:09.420 if Jesus is alive, then that means that all the 00:18:09.420 --> 00:18:12.660 promises are true. If Jesus is alive, that means 00:18:12.660 --> 00:18:19.019 that his ministry and what he taught us in that 00:18:19.019 --> 00:18:24.079 ministry is true and is right. Hope and mercy 00:18:24.079 --> 00:18:31.250 and love. And all those things that we learned 00:18:31.250 --> 00:18:34.349 from him during that time, if he is alive, that's 00:18:34.349 --> 00:18:37.190 true. And we can lean on those things. It gives 00:18:37.190 --> 00:18:42.289 us hope. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. So, Kyle, 00:18:42.349 --> 00:18:44.349 you and I were chatting earlier and I was I was 00:18:44.349 --> 00:18:46.009 driving here quite early because I'm in the worship 00:18:46.009 --> 00:18:48.890 band. So I had to get here at, ironically, an 00:18:48.890 --> 00:18:50.650 hour. Thank you, by the way. I'm very impressed. 00:18:52.370 --> 00:18:55.769 Yeah, very early So yeah, so I'm like, all right, 00:18:55.869 --> 00:18:57.069 I gotta get in the right frame of mind I knew 00:18:57.069 --> 00:18:58.930 I'm doing this podcast thing. So I gotta be extra 00:18:58.930 --> 00:19:01.650 special godly So I'm like cranking Easter songs 00:19:01.650 --> 00:19:03.910 and trying to be like, yeah, this is great And 00:19:03.910 --> 00:19:06.250 yeah, then you get here and people are like woohoo 00:19:06.250 --> 00:19:08.710 and yeah, there's flags in the back and yeah, 00:19:08.869 --> 00:19:12.190 and I'm like, well Nothing really has changed 00:19:12.400 --> 00:19:15.640 Right. Like, you know, I don't want to get too 00:19:15.640 --> 00:19:17.599 political here, but here we go. Like, our world 00:19:17.599 --> 00:19:20.180 is like a mess. Yes. In a lot of ways right now. 00:19:20.359 --> 00:19:21.940 I don't think that's political. That's just true. 00:19:22.059 --> 00:19:24.299 I'm very stressed and scared about it all the 00:19:24.299 --> 00:19:26.599 time. And the fact that it happens to be Easter 00:19:26.599 --> 00:19:30.700 Sunday today doesn't change that in a certain 00:19:30.700 --> 00:19:33.880 way. Yeah. And we're supposed to be Ra Ra Sis 00:19:33.880 --> 00:19:38.220 Boomba at church. Yes. And I thought, oh, you 00:19:38.220 --> 00:19:40.980 know, are we kind of being Pollyanna -ish here 00:19:40.980 --> 00:19:43.460 and trying to be positive? I thought, no, actually, 00:19:43.480 --> 00:19:46.720 this is the substance of Christianity, right? 00:19:46.859 --> 00:19:49.940 The whole point is Jesus was resurrected. He's 00:19:49.940 --> 00:19:53.180 inaugurated or started this new world, this new 00:19:53.180 --> 00:19:57.400 creation, ahead of schedule, right? It's a happy 00:19:57.400 --> 00:20:00.279 ending ahead of schedule. And that's why we have 00:20:00.279 --> 00:20:02.319 to have faith, like the thing that's going to 00:20:02.319 --> 00:20:05.519 get us through all the rottenness of this world. 00:20:05.710 --> 00:20:09.289 is looking at Jesus and being like, okay, it's 00:20:09.289 --> 00:20:12.089 very bad now, but I know the end of the story 00:20:12.089 --> 00:20:13.569 because the end of the story isn't just something 00:20:13.569 --> 00:20:16.069 we're waiting for. It's something that's real 00:20:16.069 --> 00:20:22.049 in Jesus. So no matter how bad things get, it's 00:20:22.049 --> 00:20:25.650 not the final word. I've seen the final word 00:20:25.650 --> 00:20:29.430 because I've seen Jesus Christ. Jesus is resurrected. 00:20:30.329 --> 00:20:34.069 And that's the end. But it's hard because you 00:20:34.069 --> 00:20:39.529 have to be like, You know, that Jesus is more 00:20:39.529 --> 00:20:43.430 real than the sin and pain and war and violence 00:20:43.430 --> 00:20:45.630 in the world. It takes faith to believe that. 00:20:45.769 --> 00:20:48.109 Yeah, Jesus is more real than the things I am 00:20:48.109 --> 00:20:50.829 really feeling right now. Yeah, because he's 00:20:50.829 --> 00:20:54.950 shown that all those things are pre -Easter Sunday. 00:20:55.470 --> 00:20:58.769 Mm -hmm. Right? All the evil in the world, that's 00:20:58.769 --> 00:21:02.369 Holy Saturday, that's Good Friday. Yeah. You 00:21:02.369 --> 00:21:04.029 know, I mean, this is just a little roundabout 00:21:04.029 --> 00:21:06.190 way of saying what that famous sermon says. It's 00:21:06.190 --> 00:21:08.369 Friday, but Sunday's coming. I was just thinking 00:21:08.369 --> 00:21:11.150 that myself. Yeah. Yeah. I can't say it in the 00:21:11.150 --> 00:21:12.569 cool way that the original preacher said it, 00:21:12.569 --> 00:21:15.630 but it's true. Or even how Tony Campallo said 00:21:15.630 --> 00:21:20.109 it. Yeah. We stole it from the other guy. So 00:21:20.109 --> 00:21:23.809 if that's all true, that, you know, we're headed 00:21:23.809 --> 00:21:26.910 towards, we know the ending. How does that change 00:21:26.910 --> 00:21:30.089 how we live in this moment? Does it change what 00:21:30.089 --> 00:21:32.819 we do? It changes. our perspective, I guess is 00:21:32.819 --> 00:21:34.380 what we've said, but does it change how we live 00:21:34.380 --> 00:21:38.079 our lives? Like Rob said in the sermon this morning, 00:21:38.140 --> 00:21:40.960 we talked about the long weekend of Easter, right? 00:21:41.119 --> 00:21:45.220 And so, and days of pain and days of doubt and 00:21:45.220 --> 00:21:47.380 days of joy. And as he's talking about joy and 00:21:47.380 --> 00:21:50.500 he's saying, you know, things are new in every 00:21:50.500 --> 00:21:53.319 morning. Things like, you know, your relationships 00:21:53.319 --> 00:21:56.099 are redeemed. Your, you know, your career is 00:21:56.099 --> 00:22:00.140 saved. You know, all these things that on Easter 00:22:00.140 --> 00:22:08.200 Sunday, is possible. But he also said that we're 00:22:08.200 --> 00:22:13.220 still living life. I was going to say the S word, 00:22:13.319 --> 00:22:19.579 crap happens. Stuff still happens. And we have 00:22:19.579 --> 00:22:25.519 to deal with that. So it's still cyclical. of 00:22:25.519 --> 00:22:29.319 the redemption of Christ's sacrifice in our lives. 00:22:30.019 --> 00:22:34.279 We have experienced Easter for ourselves in a 00:22:34.279 --> 00:22:37.819 new life in Christ, but we still have the crappy 00:22:37.819 --> 00:22:40.750 days of pain. And we still have the crappy days 00:22:40.750 --> 00:22:44.809 of doubt. And so it's cyclical that way. And 00:22:44.809 --> 00:22:47.390 that's why it's so great that we are here in 00:22:47.390 --> 00:22:50.089 community where when you have your crappy day 00:22:50.089 --> 00:22:52.430 of pain, I can share that with you and we can 00:22:52.430 --> 00:22:54.210 get through it together. When you have your crappy 00:22:54.210 --> 00:22:57.130 day of doubt, I can share that with you and you 00:22:57.130 --> 00:22:58.490 can share that with me and we can get through 00:22:58.490 --> 00:23:00.369 it together. And same thing when it happens to 00:23:00.369 --> 00:23:06.680 me, right? So together. We are it can't experience 00:23:06.680 --> 00:23:09.480 the the hope that that Christ offers through 00:23:09.480 --> 00:23:11.720 his yeah, man through his resurrection. That's 00:23:11.720 --> 00:23:15.480 another Awesome point is that the resurrection 00:23:15.480 --> 00:23:20.720 creates the church? Yeah, the church starts well 00:23:20.720 --> 00:23:23.500 I won't get into that question, but the resurrection 00:23:23.500 --> 00:23:25.980 is very important moment in the birth of the 00:23:25.980 --> 00:23:29.680 church Because it's not just Jesus comes to life 00:23:29.680 --> 00:23:33.440 and then allows us as individuals to sort of 00:23:33.440 --> 00:23:35.539 take part in those blessings. He stitches us 00:23:35.539 --> 00:23:38.059 together into a community so that we can now 00:23:38.059 --> 00:23:42.339 be what Christ was for us to one another. So 00:23:42.339 --> 00:23:44.420 all that stuff I was saying before about solidarity 00:23:44.420 --> 00:23:46.680 and standing with us, like we couldn't do that. 00:23:47.000 --> 00:23:50.579 But in Christ, we can now. When you're having 00:23:50.579 --> 00:23:53.160 a bad day, I can sort of be Jesus to you. It's 00:23:53.160 --> 00:23:54.980 not because I'm a great person, it's because 00:23:54.980 --> 00:23:57.799 I've been stitched into the life of Christ. and 00:23:57.799 --> 00:24:00.440 now we can be Christ to one another. That's basically 00:24:00.440 --> 00:24:04.579 what the church is. It's the way that Christ 00:24:04.579 --> 00:24:08.779 is ministering to us now in the world is through 00:24:08.779 --> 00:24:10.819 one another in the church. Preach on, brother. 00:24:11.240 --> 00:24:14.980 Right. Yeah. And I think like my particular heart 00:24:14.980 --> 00:24:18.660 and passion is such that like We I think about 00:24:18.660 --> 00:24:21.200 that's what the church is in its like local context, 00:24:21.200 --> 00:24:24.039 but also in its global context, right? That like 00:24:24.039 --> 00:24:29.140 your Baptist is showing, right? But like that's 00:24:29.140 --> 00:24:31.279 We get to do that for each other as you just 00:24:31.279 --> 00:24:33.359 sort of said but also like we get to do that 00:24:33.359 --> 00:24:35.640 Yeah for the local church across the world. Yes, 00:24:35.640 --> 00:24:38.000 that's right. Yeah, so like if there's folks 00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:39.700 Yeah, I mean we prayed for the persecuted church 00:24:39.700 --> 00:24:42.700 earlier. Yeah, which is one way we stand with 00:24:42.700 --> 00:24:45.079 them in solidarity We pray for them we speak 00:24:45.079 --> 00:24:48.019 for them. We advocate for them. Yeah But again, 00:24:48.160 --> 00:24:50.619 it's not just, what's the word from Ecclesiastes? 00:24:50.640 --> 00:24:52.819 It's not just a vanity of vanities chasing after 00:24:52.819 --> 00:24:57.039 the wind. In Christ, it gets made real, right? 00:24:57.099 --> 00:24:59.460 We actually do participate with them. We actually 00:24:59.460 --> 00:25:02.220 can petition the Father to be with them because 00:25:02.220 --> 00:25:06.859 Christ has made us one with them in him. So it's 00:25:06.859 --> 00:25:10.440 not just empty words. And likewise, when we're 00:25:10.440 --> 00:25:13.039 having trouble, you know, after the states invades 00:25:13.039 --> 00:25:16.380 Canada and we're in trouble, then we'll, we'll 00:25:16.380 --> 00:25:20.980 want the rest of the world to pray for us, right? 00:25:21.119 --> 00:25:22.819 You know what I mean? Like when, when Christians 00:25:22.819 --> 00:25:25.039 suffer and actually, and then we expand that 00:25:25.039 --> 00:25:27.880 to the rest of the world, right? We can stand 00:25:27.880 --> 00:25:30.720 in solidarity with people who aren't Christians, 00:25:30.859 --> 00:25:32.880 right? Cause God loves them as well, but we can 00:25:32.880 --> 00:25:36.000 speak Christ to them and stand for them as well. 00:25:36.279 --> 00:25:37.880 But that's all because of the resurrection. Otherwise 00:25:37.880 --> 00:25:40.569 it's just what? some ideological movement or 00:25:40.569 --> 00:25:44.049 something sure this is real yeah i don't know 00:25:44.049 --> 00:25:46.910 i feel like every time i sit down and like think 00:25:46.910 --> 00:25:50.230 more about jesus i'm more and more realizing 00:25:50.230 --> 00:25:52.910 like how small my previous version of jesus was 00:25:52.910 --> 00:25:55.950 and i'm just like whoa it does this and this 00:25:55.950 --> 00:25:59.289 and that and yeah it's mind -blowing go study 00:25:59.289 --> 00:26:03.950 theology folks it's pretty cool uh yeah that 00:26:04.440 --> 00:26:07.319 It's so helpful. We're watching someone have 00:26:07.319 --> 00:26:10.819 an epiphany right now. This is awesome. Her heart 00:26:10.819 --> 00:26:14.819 just grew three sizes bigger. Right. Yeah. No, 00:26:14.900 --> 00:26:17.599 thank you both. This has been a really hopeful 00:26:17.599 --> 00:26:21.099 and helpful conversation. And I think really 00:26:21.099 --> 00:26:23.940 put some like meat onto what we're doing as we 00:26:23.940 --> 00:26:26.299 celebrate Easter. Yeah. So in conclusion, Easter 00:26:26.299 --> 00:26:28.420 is about bunny rabbits and chocolate. Of course. 00:26:28.539 --> 00:26:30.640 I got the chocolate right here. Yes, that's right. 00:26:30.759 --> 00:26:33.589 There's your chocolate. Baby, here's your chocolate. 00:26:34.089 --> 00:26:37.210 Thank you. Here's my chocolate. I hope you also 00:26:37.210 --> 00:26:39.230 enjoy some chocolate this Easter, but also Jesus. 00:26:40.289 --> 00:26:43.329 Yeah, and we will see you again next week. Happy 00:26:43.329 --> 00:26:43.630 Easter.