1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,740 Hello everyone, and welcome to this week's episode of Trinity Talks. 2 00:00:06,740 --> 00:00:11,200 My name is Kyla, and I'm the online engagement director here. 3 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:15,680 And hopefully you know by now that this month at Trinity, we have been looking at the heroes 4 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:18,000 of faith in Scripture. 5 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:22,360 And so here on Trinity Talks, we've been talking to some folks to hear their stories 6 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:25,200 of faith who are folks here at Trinity. 7 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,800 And so this Sunday, I'm pleased to be joined by Trevino. 8 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:30,760 Thanks for joining me on the podcast. 9 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:31,760 Thank you. 10 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:32,760 Yeah. 11 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:37,360 So Trevino, before we sort of jump into it, maybe you can just tell us a little bit about 12 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:38,360 you. 13 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:42,640 Oh, like you said, my name is Trevino. 14 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:43,640 Trevino Betty. 15 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:53,280 I've been coming to Trinity, I would say probably, it's over, probably been over 12 years now. 16 00:00:53,280 --> 00:01:01,800 And I've always been in Anglican churches before I was, I used to go to one on Lakeshore 17 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:05,720 and then it closed down and it took me some time to find Trinity. 18 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:11,760 And when I found Trinity, it was, it felt like home. 19 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:19,920 I have two kids, a boy and a girl, Zade who's 14 and Zuri who's 9. 20 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:28,200 I've always come with he and my wife doesn't come as often, but yeah, we've been married 21 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:29,680 for 20 years. 22 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:31,680 Okay, that's great. 23 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:32,680 Yeah. 24 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:33,680 Good. 25 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:37,840 So Trevino, when did you first learn about Jesus? 26 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,040 Oh man, I would say at birth. 27 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:42,040 Sure. 28 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:51,880 I was born in Jamaica and in Jamaican culture when a child is born, oftentimes you put a 29 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:53,960 Bible in their crib. 30 00:01:53,960 --> 00:02:02,440 So I would say from the day I was born, I started learning about the Bible and about 31 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,560 Jesus and about Christianity. 32 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:07,220 Okay. 33 00:02:07,220 --> 00:02:09,920 And so how did that sort of grow in your life? 34 00:02:09,920 --> 00:02:14,000 What made you decide to want to follow Jesus for yourself? 35 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:21,080 Well I think as I got older, so introduction of going to church and going to church with 36 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:28,440 my mom at the time when I was in Jamaica and then start to go to Sunday school on your 37 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:35,460 own as I got older and then started to go to youth fellowship, Friday night services, 38 00:02:35,460 --> 00:02:39,200 just being a part of the church. 39 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:48,520 And then I eventually moved to Canada and then just continued that way. 40 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:53,120 So what led you to decide to move to Canada? 41 00:02:53,120 --> 00:03:00,560 My parents had me when they were teenagers and so my mom stayed in Jamaica and my dad 42 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:05,040 was here and she thought it would be a good idea for me to come and spend some time with 43 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:06,040 my dad. 44 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:07,040 Okay. 45 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:15,280 And get to know him a lot better and also the opportunity for a better life. 46 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:16,280 Sure. 47 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:17,280 Yeah. 48 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:18,280 Okay. 49 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:22,880 And did you notice any difference in how you practiced your faith in Jamaica versus how 50 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:24,880 you practice it in Canada? 51 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,240 Well I would say my dad wasn't… 52 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:35,720 So my mom was and my grandparents were big on going to church but my dad was on the other 53 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:40,320 side which is so funny that Rob was talking about switching sides today. 54 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:45,060 So my dad wasn't very religious. 55 00:03:45,060 --> 00:03:51,180 So then the big difference was it was then just on my shoulders to see whether or not 56 00:03:51,180 --> 00:03:56,560 I was going to continue to practice my faith and follow Jesus. 57 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:02,560 And so I'd say the biggest difference would be it was a choice that I made. 58 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:03,560 Right. 59 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:04,560 Yeah. 60 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:05,560 Yeah. 61 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:09,560 Was there something specific that sort of prompted you to make that choice or it just 62 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,480 felt natural to you? 63 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:19,760 It just felt natural for one thing and the other thing is when I moved to Canada I was 64 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:30,360 around 12 or 13 and I lived with my dad for a little bit but then things didn't work 65 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:38,360 out so well so kind of you know between staying with relatives and staying with them and being 66 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:47,280 on my own the only thing I had to really lean on was my faith. 67 00:04:47,280 --> 00:04:54,960 And so that was what really kind of solidified things for me because I always needed to you 68 00:04:54,960 --> 00:05:03,280 know pray for things to go better and they usually did. 69 00:05:03,280 --> 00:05:11,680 But it took a while for me to just say to think that this is Jesus working for me versus 70 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:12,680 luck. 71 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:16,720 You know often times he's going like oh man I was lucky on that. 72 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:17,720 Right. 73 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:18,720 Yeah. 74 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:19,720 Yeah. 75 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:25,320 And then there becomes this thing like this lifeline that really like when there's nothing 76 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:28,920 else I mean you may as well pray about it. 77 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:30,120 Exactly. 78 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:37,160 But you know often times and that's probably the sad piece of it you don't give credit 79 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:44,840 really to where that fate is coming from and who's delivering for you. 80 00:05:44,840 --> 00:05:49,840 You kind of just going like well the universe has given me some blessing. 81 00:05:49,840 --> 00:05:52,560 Yeah yeah for sure. 82 00:05:52,560 --> 00:06:00,520 Yeah so when you think about maybe that period of your life or another period how would you 83 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:06,800 say that faith has helped you get through challenging times? 84 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:19,960 I think as a young man coming to Canada without my mom who was really the you know my first 85 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:32,160 hero and really the person that supported everything that I did and then losing that 86 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:43,280 made you start to really think through what can I do and how can I you know make a life 87 00:06:43,280 --> 00:06:45,960 without having this person there. 88 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:52,500 And so for me I really started thinking through and getting closer and praying about things 89 00:06:52,500 --> 00:06:58,000 and find myself like okay there's so many things that are happening in my life like 90 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,920 the first breakaway like how will I get through this? 91 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:07,400 I was young I just left my mom I'm in a new country I came in the winter time. 92 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:09,960 Oh the worst time to come. 93 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:15,160 I think it was March or something that I came so there's a lot to pray for the first day 94 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:19,200 I landed here I was going like I'm praying for some warmth right now. 95 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:28,640 So yeah definitely and then as things go well I remember you know like going to bed and 96 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:34,920 crying and so then what would you do because you miss home you miss your friends you're 97 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:40,520 in a new school so that was really the first time that I got tested that I really had to 98 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:47,920 lean on my faith and had a lot of things to pray for to just get through that. 99 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:53,200 And how would you say that like how did you experience God in that time? 100 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:58,280 Did you feel like God was there for you and sort of faithful or did you feel more distant? 101 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:07,920 Yes my journey to and it is so funny there's so many times where I prayed for things to 102 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:16,960 happen please God send me a sign and a sign was sent and I would go back and I was going 103 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,280 like oh maybe that was just luck right? 104 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:25,920 Did my prayers really get really get answered? 105 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:33,800 I think through university and high school so I think like the first time I really said 106 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:39,960 oh man what's happened because I really wanted to go to university coming out of high school 107 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:48,920 but my grades weren't great and partially because I was working a lot as a student and 108 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:53,720 you know I was playing sports but I wanted to continue to play sports and the only way 109 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:59,420 you could continue to play sports was if you went to a university because most colleges 110 00:08:59,420 --> 00:09:05,320 didn't have I ran track and most colleges didn't didn't have track and I wanted to 111 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:06,320 continue. 112 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:14,600 And I remember praying for an answer like how do I get my grades up you know like how 113 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:20,800 do I get into university when my you know my marks aren't good enough and I had a high 114 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:29,240 school my high school coach came to me and said hey I think I found a way for you to 115 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:34,260 not work as much as you're working that way you can focus on just doing your homework 116 00:09:34,260 --> 00:09:44,200 and doing school and get your grades up and so at the time took me got some assistance 117 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:50,320 and I was able to not work as much and I was going like man and my grades went up some 118 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:56,640 teachers helped me as well and I was able to get into get into university I was gonna 119 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:03,160 like wow my prayers got answered and that was like a big a big moment for me to where 120 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:10,040 things just like okay that was a big that was a big wish granted so yeah. 121 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:15,280 And like yeah God answers our prayers through other people too right like sometimes we ask 122 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:20,600 God to like you know miraculously do something and and sometimes it is you know out of the 123 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:24,800 blue seems really miraculous but sometimes it is just the kindness of other people in 124 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:26,240 our lives right. 125 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:30,320 And there's so many you know like so that was the that was the first one and then I 126 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:39,720 went off and I after university I graduated I went and I ran for a number of years and 127 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:46,760 you know had fun just traveling the world and doing sports but it would it didn't pay 128 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:55,280 well sure and I came back from that and decided that I now needed to find a job but I had 129 00:10:55,280 --> 00:11:00,560 no work experience and four years out of university with no work experience I was going like where 130 00:11:00,560 --> 00:11:06,720 am I gonna find a job and I was going like God man I need an answer on this I still have 131 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:16,200 my OSAP loans to pay back and and I have no job yep and so I prayed about it and this 132 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:24,960 lady that I knew because she volunteered heavily in sports I was telling her that I have she's 133 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,800 going like what are you gonna do now that you're retired that's going I need to find 134 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:34,040 a job but I I have no idea yeah she had a job for me and it was it was the best job 135 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:41,360 it was working at Sears in project management event sports so I went to the Raptors games 136 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:47,760 at least games I was going like it was fell in my lap yeah and I was going like oh my 137 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:54,940 god answered my prayers again and it was a you know a big moment in my life and a milestone 138 00:11:54,940 --> 00:12:01,560 and was the start of my that gave me a career in retail and I'm still in now yeah so it 139 00:12:01,560 --> 00:12:07,640 opened up and I can go in every stage of my life yeah I would say the one thing that it 140 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:18,200 took me a while to just say hey to really believe in in faith and really trust in faith 141 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:27,000 and say that when I pray good things will happen may not be the way I expected to to 142 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:34,320 to happen in the I one thing I will tell you pray and takes patience of course it was cool 143 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:44,240 like it's it's never when you when you want it to happen but it it will happen yeah yeah 144 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:51,280 sometimes that patience is hard yeah it always is hard yeah yeah but yeah God God comes through 145 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:58,200 for sure but then I think that's part of your fate right is the fate of patience to to 146 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:06,920 trust that that things will will happen and the stronger your fate the stronger your trust 147 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:15,060 in God the more things will will happen for you yeah for sure so you mentioned that you've 148 00:13:15,060 --> 00:13:20,640 always been going to Anglican churches so is there something about Anglican churches 149 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:31,160 in particular that have that sort of is important to you in your faith I would say one that's 150 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:38,880 what I was first introduced to sure the the second piece and for me the churches that 151 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:44,520 I've gone and I don't want to just call out you know like Anglican churches so I'll say 152 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:50,480 the churches that I've the Anglican churches that I've that I've gone to has allowed me 153 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:56,720 to be my authentic self I don't feel like I have to to live up to to something that 154 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:03,760 is about that church sure I can it's about my faith and my relationship with God and 155 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:09,160 that is the priority versus my relationship with the church right yeah no that's that's 156 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:14,680 super cool and I think that's something that we're all sort of looking for in a community 157 00:14:14,680 --> 00:14:20,360 in a church it's like yeah just a space where we can be yeah and if it just so happens that 158 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:24,560 like Anglican churches is where that is for you then like that's awesome yeah yeah that's 159 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:31,080 cool yeah so when you think back in the sermon series we've been talking about heroes of 160 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:37,160 faith and looking at the scriptural heroes of faith so are there any folks in the Bible 161 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:42,480 or sort of scripture verses that come to mind as like being really significant for you in 162 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:52,440 your faith journey you know I was I've been through this whole series of faith I've been 163 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:58,680 thinking about you know like who are those those heroes that really relate to to now 164 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:06,280 and I would say when I think about the one I can't remember if it's like three or four 165 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:15,000 back when we talked about Noah and the ark and just around trust and obedience is is 166 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:24,200 one that really resonate for me and someone that I would think of as a hero in my life 167 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:31,960 because so much of what we we do now is we don't have the answers yeah you know we're 168 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:37,240 we're sometimes given signs we don't know what the the future will hold and it just 169 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:43,200 takes a lot of trust but when you trust and you're obedient good things happen and sometimes 170 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:51,960 you just have to just just go along with it and in our society now it's easy to say no 171 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:58,960 because there's so many things we're all looking for instant you know like I need something 172 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:06,120 right immediate that like instant gratification and yeah yeah and so you know sometimes it's 173 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:14,560 you build and wait and so for me that is kind of how I try to live my life is I take the 174 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:23,680 signs and that I've given yeah I trust I build and I wait and so even raising my kids like 175 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:31,720 I can't have all the answers I know there's a I know there's a formula or things that 176 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:37,460 you know I must have it's kind of like what do you put in the ark what do I instill in 177 00:16:37,460 --> 00:16:45,180 my kids sure and then you just hope that if you instill the right things that the results 178 00:16:45,180 --> 00:16:53,640 will be the results you're looking for yeah yeah I'm wondering you know you were talking 179 00:16:53,640 --> 00:17:01,480 about raising your kids and trying to instill those values in them how has being a parent 180 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:05,880 shaped your faith has that changed the way that you think about faith or about God at 181 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:18,760 all somewhat yeah I would say you know in what is really shaped my I had two grandmothers 182 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:27,160 that lived until they were 95 okay well they both lived until they're 95 yeah and one of 183 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:34,560 the things that I can always think about with them is that never left their side was their 184 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:43,520 Bible like they just always you know their fate was was so important to them and the 185 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:51,240 values that they shared and even some of the you know the stories that they told yeah are 186 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:56,280 stories that shaped me yeah and I still you know even times when I thought they weren't 187 00:17:56,280 --> 00:18:04,280 landing yeah oh grandma used to say this or mama used to say that and I used to go like 188 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:10,620 like how many times are you gonna read the Bible and so you know to see that coming to 189 00:18:10,620 --> 00:18:18,180 life and and to see my son and digitally now but to see him you know like reading his Bible 190 00:18:18,180 --> 00:18:25,240 whether in the morning or before he goes to bed it makes you feel good about okay these 191 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:33,480 values when especially when there's so many things competing for their interest now is 192 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:41,120 really strengthen strengthen my fate because I know you know switching sides isn't easy 193 00:18:41,120 --> 00:18:50,640 yeah and so it's made me be a lot more committed because I want to demonstrate for them those 194 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:56,640 values and not just say it so you know there's times where I probably come to church more 195 00:18:56,640 --> 00:19:03,680 consistently now since them because I want to make sure that they they they experience 196 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:08,960 and so they're gonna make the choice that they want to make sure eventually but it's 197 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:15,160 it's not gonna be because I didn't lay that foundation for them yeah yeah yeah and I think 198 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:20,640 like looking back as you said on on your grandmother's faith and just being able to say okay they 199 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:26,720 let it lay the foundation for me and so now I'm gonna do that for for my kids like yeah 200 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:31,880 sometimes we don't like you said we don't get to decide what they're gonna do but we 201 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:37,640 get to lay the foundation exactly and sometimes like you were saying you know your grandmothers 202 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:41,600 would tell these stories over and over you're like yeah I'm not really listening right but 203 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:47,440 then it does it comes back to you at a certain point you know and and you get that faith 204 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:56,800 that's passed on just through genuine human interaction and love and family um and that's 205 00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:03,280 the the piece for me and again it goes back to the whole story like I said with uh with 206 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:11,840 Noah um you don't know what the outcome is is going to be um and it's a matter of that 207 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:17,480 trust and and obedience and so I try to demonstrate that with my kids we're going like I don't 208 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:23,440 know but if I continue to plant these seeds and plant these values in them some of them 209 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:29,680 are going to grow and eventually um you know by like coming to church that's me nurturing 210 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:37,880 and watering it uh and eventually they're going to see uh these seeds into trees that 211 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:42,960 that they enjoy and they're either going to cut them down or continue to to nurture them 212 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:48,160 and some they may cut down and some they will continue to to nurture but uh if you don't 213 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:55,600 plant something uh other things will will grow right so and so I rather the things that 214 00:20:55,600 --> 00:21:05,720 I know um that have worked for me be planted than just a bunch of weeds um so when you 215 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:10,720 think about people that you know in your life are there any people that you would consider 216 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:19,800 sort of heroes of faith for you yes okay they're my grandparents um um both of them and like 217 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:27,640 I said ironically enough um they gave me two different perspectives um you know my one 218 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:35,840 grandmother on my dad's side lived I would say I don't want to say less fortunate life 219 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:44,080 um but she didn't she didn't come uh she didn't have a lot growing up in fact you know my 220 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:53,000 grandmother didn't have electricity okay uh until she was in her 80s and where she lived 221 00:21:53,000 --> 00:22:01,960 where she lived and ironically about that is she became blind so by the time she could 222 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:10,440 get like you know electricity in her house and light and whatever she couldn't um take 223 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:19,440 advantage of it but her fate carried her through so many things she was always happy uh for 224 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:28,400 someone that had such such little um she always shared um if it was like even if she had one 225 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:36,320 cracker yeah she would break it and give it to like everyone um she took life you know 226 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:41,640 like I remember going home the only thing that I had to bring home for her was a bag 227 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:52,400 of licorice she liked licorice for some reason um and so for me it really showed me the value 228 00:22:52,400 --> 00:23:00,440 of what you can do even when you you had nothing but you had a strong strong belief and strong 229 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:07,600 fate and so she was definitely my my hero because there's so many times that I had to 230 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:14,960 think you know and she lived so long yeah and I was going like how can you be happy 231 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:23,080 you're here and it's going like in 40 degrees in Jamaica 40 plus there's no ac yeah she 232 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:29,880 had like a zinc roof um you know uh you can barely get ice to even you know she'd make 233 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:35,520 some lemonade but it was like lukewarm yeah oh man this tastes more like tea than anything 234 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:42,880 you know right yeah but you never saw her upset uh and I believe it was her fate that 235 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:50,400 did it um and on my other side on my mom's side uh my other grandmother same thing it 236 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:56,600 was her fate like her experience was different but she had different challenges uh and she 237 00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:03,120 overcame them through just a strong belief in fate she had 10 kids wow and so you needed 238 00:24:03,120 --> 00:24:10,840 faith you need some faith to raise 10 kids for sure yeah exactly yeah yeah good um is 239 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,440 there anything else about your faith journey that you sort of stands out or that you wanted 240 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:20,640 to share yeah I think the biggest thing is that you know the the key word there is a 241 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:28,160 journey um you know and and so fate for me is always it's a journey that I'm on and it's 242 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:36,160 a journey that I will continue to to be on um and as I experience different things and 243 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:41,200 go through different stages of my life some things have to pivot uh more and more things 244 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:50,640 you know challenge your fate um I would say most recently and uh my father passed away 245 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:58,360 in December and and it was sudden and then I was going like this makes absolutely no 246 00:24:58,360 --> 00:25:07,320 sense um and so you know still questioning today and just thinking through like he was 247 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:16,440 such a good person he was so healthy um there was it it was just suddenly and how quickly 248 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:23,600 life can change and make you ponder on you know what's really important but you then 249 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:32,120 have to again lean on your fate to say you know like what do I need to why and and sometimes 250 00:25:32,120 --> 00:25:39,160 maybe just even stop asking why and and it is because trust what's ahead of you and and 251 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:47,720 what's next so I think for me you know just continuing to to believe uh in those moments 252 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:53,560 as you go through them so yeah I think in those hard times like why as you said is often 253 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:57,320 one of the first questions that we asked but I was reading something last week that talked 254 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:02,440 about this idea of you know when you're tempted to ask why what if you asked what instead 255 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:07,120 it's like what am I supposed to do with this what does this mean like what what what comes 256 00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:13,320 next yeah you know yeah and I think you know the other piece of it too is you know like 257 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:19,760 every week you know we come to church or you know whether you say your prayers in the morning 258 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:28,960 or before you go to bed or both or whatever you do oftentimes we're praying for forgiveness 259 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:36,840 or to help others or you know different different things that we pray for and so sometimes I 260 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:44,920 ask myself how many times can I pray for forgiveness you know how about you just stop making these 261 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:52,120 just fake so you um you you don't have to pray for forgiveness and you know I think 262 00:26:52,120 --> 00:27:00,000 my fate is is what gives me strength in saying that you know it's a journey and you just 263 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:07,600 that's what's most important is you're not giving up and you continue to to work and 264 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:13,800 and keep faith that one day you will you will get it right so yeah we just keep going on 265 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:19,160 the journey yeah yeah for sure thank you so much for taking some time and sharing a bit 266 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:25,800 of your story with us and for those who are listening I hope that you have been also been 267 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:31,600 encouraged and maybe challenged through bits of triune a story and able to see yourself 268 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:37,800 in his story and consider what might God be calling you to next as we continue in this 269 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:56,200 journey of faith.