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Hello everyone and welcome to this week's episode of Trinity Talks. My name is Kyla

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and I'm the online engagement director here. And we have just finished up a week of prayer

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at Trinity where we've been really focused on prayer and this theme of hope and looking at

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what is God leading us into in this year ahead. So I'm really excited to sit down here with some

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folks who helped to organize that week of prayer. So I have Jessica and Rick and Linda. Yeah, so

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thank you so much for joining me. So I just want to get us started by talking about, you know,

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why do we have a week of prayer here at Trinity? What do we see as the importance and what are

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we hoping folks will take away from that? Maybe we'll start with you, Linda. Okay, well,

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our, as a church, we're called to be a house of prayer. And I think it's really important that

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at the beginning of each year, we refocus our energies and our priorities back to what we're

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called to be. And it enables us to pray the church forward, you know, what's coming up in the year

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to come and to be covered in prayer. Yeah, for sure. Anyone else want to add to that? Yeah,

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I think that does cover it well. It's interesting, the other week we did, we're doing the Heroes of

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Faith and it talked about Enoch. And Enoch just said simply walking with God, but Rob expanded

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about how it's easy to not follow the narrow path, right, the white, you know, easily get off track.

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And if you're walking with God, faithfully alongside him, you're in step with him,

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you're going in the same direction, you're walking closely beside him. And we want to make sure that's

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what we're doing as a church. And how do we do that? Because we can't necessarily see God where

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he's walking, we have to talk to him, we have to listen. Yeah, we pray. Yeah, for sure. Yeah,

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it's just, it's a great time to just re-center and refocus as a church community. And I think

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the community part is really important, doing it together. Because when we're together, we

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we just, we can collaborate and vision together as a church. So yeah. Yeah, for sure. And I think

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one of the really neat things about doing it together and doing it over a week is that, you

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know, we saw, you know, the visioning board where people could like draw their prayers and the prayer

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wall where people could write things. And it does allow us to sort of build on each other, right?

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Like you can look at what somebody had written there the night before or whatever, and you can

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pray that prayer as well and then build on it with your own sort of prayer. So yeah, I think that's,

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that's really key as well. So your theme for this year was surprised by hope. I'm wondering,

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Rick, if you can talk to us a little bit about why that theme? Yeah, we start planning this,

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usually in the fall or late fall, like what are we going to do next year? We know what we're

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going to do, but we'd like to have a theme to kind of guide us a little bit. So first year we did

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Be Still, second year we focused on Martin Luther King's I Have a Dream Speech. And this year when

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we were planning the meeting, we sat down and I think Rob was, we often inspired by whatever Rob's

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preaching on. We had had Habakkuk, but I think it was more the, we were talking about Scrooge and

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how he was despairing and he didn't see a way forward. And then I guess he was surprised by

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the hope that he's second chance kind of thing. And we were just talking and Bruce,

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it really was Bruce's idea. He turns around in his library while he's so wise and he turns

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around and pulls the book out. How about this one? You know, NT writes, surprised by hope.

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And then I actually, I'll be honest, I didn't know the book. So I said, okay, well, I'll get a copy

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or read it. And it was just, it works really well because, you know, he's really talking about how

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how we, you know, it's very much what do we do? We, you know, we need to work with God, but what do

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we do on this earth? And so it's, you know, as opposed to don't worry about this earth, it just

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kind of keep yourself in a nice little club, nice and clean and everyone be nice. And then you'll

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go to heaven somewhere else and don't worry about the earth. That's not a helpful or biblical way

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of looking at things. And so we thought, oh, I read that. I was like, this is, this is great for how

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we can progress the week. Yeah, for sure. And it very naturally leads us from prayer into action,

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as you sort of said. And that, as you have all sort of indicated before, you know, it's this week

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of prayer that we spend with God, but also it leads us into the rest of the year. Right. And so,

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yeah, I really appreciate it. How the theme also sort of naturally allowed us to do that.

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And one of the other sort of pieces that goes in with that, that theme is NT Wright talks about

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this difference between hope in a sort of Christian sense and hope as in, you know, we're just sort

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of hoping for or wishing for something in the world sense. Yeah, so wondering what are your

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sort of thoughts about that? What do we mean when we talk about hope? Well, I think hope is like a

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yearning or wishing a desire. Christian hope is the same thing. But we have something else with that.

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We have assurance that God has said that he will be with us through everything. And he will answer

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our prayers. He's not saying that whatever we hope for, we're going to get. Because he has a plan for

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us and he knows what's best for us may not be what we're hoping for. But we can be

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assured that he is going to be with us all the way through and that what he gives us is the best

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thing for us. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, I think the God with us part is really what hits me.

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Because we can have hopes and dreams as we say, and it doesn't seem like it's working out. But no

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matter what God is with us, God is present with us. And that is really comforting. Yeah, for sure.

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And so in light of those facts, in light of this idea that God is with us, that we have this assurance,

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how does that change the way that we pray? Do you think? Does it change sort of what we pray about?

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Or does it, I think for me, at least at the very least, it changes my attitude to worship prayer?

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Yes, yeah. Right? Yeah, I still will pray my hopes and my dreams. But I realize that

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it's not always going to be the way I hope and dream. And I say, you know, like, it's in your

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hands, God, you know, I trust that you're going to do what's best for me in this situation or

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in the future. And there's a comfort in that, knowing that it's not just all up to me wishing

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and dreaming, but there is somebody else that's guiding and leading me. And eventually, it's going

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to have me where I need to be, where I'm going to be happiest or most content or in most fulfilled

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or, you know, on the path to the second coming. Yeah. Yeah. And I think prayer, for me, is like an

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act of surrender. Like, your kingdom come, your will be done. So like, when you're praying, you're

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just releasing all the things you wish and desire and like, leaving it to God's hands.

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Leaving it to God's hands. Yeah. Yeah. For me, the thing I learned this week, that's why I love

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to run these things, because you learn, you learn so much through it. And through so many faithful

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people, the things they write, the things they pray and they say. But for me, it's the surprise by hope

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part, as it's easy to fall into despair and or just look at, you know, everything that's going

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on in the world and climate crisis and conflicts. And I just walking down the street, like people

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are struggling with cost of living in this community. And he can fall into helplessness and despair.

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But even though I'm like, yeah, I know, I know God's got this in his timing. But we can be

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surprised by hope today in simple ways. And I think some people gave examples of that. And

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that to me is don't stop. Kind of don't feel like you're letting God off and saying, oh, I'm going

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to pray. Yeah, I know you've got this God. Yeah, it's terrible, terrible. And it'll be all right

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one day. No, say, oh, I want to be bold. I want these things to happen now. I want this to get

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better now. I want to be, tell me what to do. What do I do now? Not just suck it up until

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until like Jesus comes again, right? But he can get into that if you're not careful, right?

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Well, I can anyway. Speaking for myself. There's a homily that people say and sometimes abuse,

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but God helps those who help themselves. And it's not giving us carte blanche to do whatever

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the heck we want. It's saying that God has a plan and a purpose for this world. And he has a plan

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and a purpose for us in this world. And so we are expected to participate in his plan with him,

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not against him and not for our own good, but in conjunction with him. Yeah, for sure. Yeah,

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one of the things that I really appreciated about anti-raids book, when he talks about this and he

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talks about hope, is that it provides this sort of balance between like in what you were saying,

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Rick, that it does, you know, we get to go out and we get to do things because we have this hope,

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right? We get to, and God is calling us to partner with God in doing those things.

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But also those things don't entirely depend on us. No, right? Because we have this hope,

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because we know who God is. So we get to go and do the things, but we don't do the things entirely

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on our own strength. Definitely not. Right? Yes, that's right. Because if it depended on me,

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it's the world's going downhill. Yeah, oh, yes. Real fast.

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So thinking back on this week, what were some of the highlights for you? What are some of the

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things that you're taking away? Yeah, any any moments that stand out?

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I loved the video that we did or that we showed from the Orthodox meme squad. Yes. Strange name,

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but it was as it was a video. And if anybody has not seen it, I think it's still on the web.

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It is. Yep. Please take a look at it because it is awesome. Like I was just blown away. It was

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awestruck. I don't know how you cannot believe in God and in creation when you look at the beauty

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around us and the intricacies and and then as well as that, I think when you go into the

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visioning room and you see what people have created, what's on their hearts and you see the

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prayer walls. And it's I'm always encouraged by the fact that people are still coming to God and

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and and they have I learned from, you know, everything that that I see there. Yeah. Yeah. So

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for folks, if you if you haven't gone and checked out our website already, you can go and there's

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a button at the top that says week of prayer. And if you click there, you can see some of those

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those prayers and things that people have been sharing this this video that Linda has mentioned.

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And on our social media feed, you'll also find some of those pictures of the visioning board and

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the prayer wall that you can see what we're talking about here. Yeah. Other highlights,

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things that stand out to you from this week? For me, it's just the community aspect in general.

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Like, I find it such a struggle to just sit down by myself, full my hands, close my eyes,

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like and pray. Yeah, I just I just it's so hard for me. So doing it in community is so helpful.

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And like having the tangible and visual aspects just really helps me. And then just yeah, like

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seeing everyone else get involved with it is just really encouraging. Yeah, for sure.

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I would never have thought of this. There are things like painting and just tactile

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different things that you can do. So that's that's for me, that's something I would never have done.

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But what strikes me and has happened every time is we break out into prayers, we put on some quiet

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music, and people go around into the different areas. And that's just this tremendous feeling

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of peace, peace in that in the room. I just it does. I think a lot of people that have come and

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we're not expecting it and they come afterwards and they say, I just I could breathe out. It was

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peaceful. Yeah. So that strikes me every time. And I'm surprised. I don't know why I'm surprised

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by it every time. But I kind of am. And it's just like, Oh, this is great. Just relax. Yeah. Yeah, I know

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there's it can be hard sometimes to sort of carve out time for prayer and to carve out, you know,

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to say, okay, especially, you know, it's a whole week, right? And so say, Oh, I'm going to take

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an hour every day this week that that can feel like a lot. But as you said, when we actually enter

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into that, I think we we receive so much as well. We do. Yeah, I would agree. There is that sense of

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peace in the time goes by so quick. I find it's already been an hour. Like, it just it flies. And

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yeah, it's just the best feeling. Like, I just feel so calm and like, filled up again.

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And as Jessica said, like, gathering as a community. And I mean, I realized that we do that

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Sundays as well. But I mean, in a smaller, more intimate venue, I just feel a stronger connection

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with the people, you know, the fellow, my fellow Christians or whatever. And that we have,

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even though we all have our own problems and our own prayers and everything,

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we're there with a common goal. Yeah. And there's nothing more powerful.

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Yeah. And we do, as you said, we each have our own, our own struggles, our own problems.

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But when you see someone has written on the board the concerns of your heart, right? And you know,

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I didn't put that there. Someone else put that there. You feel a little less alone.

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Other people are praying the same prayers that you're praying.

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So I want to zoom out from our week of prayer a little bit and just talk about prayer in general.

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And for each of you, you're obviously passionate about this ministry, passionate about prayer.

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And so wondering, has there been moments in your life where you feel like prayer has really impacted

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you or has sort of shaped your walk with God in some specific way? Yeah. Any particular

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memories or moments that come to mind for you? I would say for me, my mom is also someone who's

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really passionate about prayer. And when we were kids, she started this sort of tradition that

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before we got on the school bus every morning, she would, we would pause and she would pray for us

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as, as we went out to go to school. And some days that felt really chaotic, right? Because you're

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trying to get kids to get on their lunch and get everything out to school. But she took that moment

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to stop and to pray for us and with us before we went out to school. And that's something that

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has always sort of stuck with me. And you're going to do that when you have children, right?

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Perhaps, yes. Yeah. I don't know if I've ever had any, any real like boom moment or whatever.

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It's just a comfort. You know, like, I mean, being able to bring my problems to God or share

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others problems with him to praise him for what he's done and to thank him when he has

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answered some of the prayers. We were praying for something in our family for

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probably two years. And in December, we got our answer to prayer. And it was amazing. You know,

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it was, I mean, so being persistent in prayer and then that teaches you to don't give up.

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You know, God's listening and it's, he's going to work through this in his time and in his way.

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And then when it does happen, there's such a joy and contentment and it reaffirms your trust in

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God too. And that happens, you know, oh, yes, you know, he hasn't been ignoring me. He has been

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listening. He's just been waiting for the right time. Yeah. For me, it's in our life group.

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We are going to amend the life group on a Thursday morning for I don't know how long that

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is trying to think before answered. I don't know. It's over seven years. It might be getting on for

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10. So every morning, every Thursday morning at the end of the group, we pray for each other. We

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used to, we used to sit in our rooms. It was easy. It was easy. Now it's on zoom. So we pray round,

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sort of the zoom. But anyway, we, you know, we'll lift up each other in prayer and look back and

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all the, those, all the number of prayers that have been answered over those years are incredible.

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You know, there's some we're still praying for. Sure. And then to say there's some things that

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we've prayed for all along and we don't know what God's timing is. But and, you know, I, the

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guys have prayed for me through lots of things that have happened in my life. We all have, you

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know, lost my father particularly was the time where they, they prayed for me and prayed for me

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going to do his eulogy and things like that. So we've all had big moments in our lives where we've

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been there and prayed for each other. And so that and because we do it every week as well, it helps

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me. Like, like Jessica said, I honestly, I'm not, one of the reasons why I've run this,

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tried to do this ministry is to help make me be more accountable. And that group helps me

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accountable at least every week we pray. And I try and obviously I pray during the week, but

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that is definitely a solid accountability time where if you're drifting away, you know, it pulls

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you back in. So yeah. So for me, I went to a university in Hamilton and the churches there

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every year, they gather together for a conference called true city conference. And this was

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a conference from churches all across different denominations, which is really cool. And as part

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of that, there's an organization called Greater Ontario House of Prayer, and they would run

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coinciding with the conference a 24 seven prayer room. So 24 hours of the day, the prayer room would

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be open for people to go in. And so this was when I was first exposed to like this different type of

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praying. So it was really amazing. Just to see that and be like, wow, I didn't know you could pray

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like this. This is so cool and so helpful. And yeah, so just really encouraging. So shout out to

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true city and Greater Ontario House of Prayer for inspiring me. Yeah, yeah, that's great. Yeah. So

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obviously we have this week of prayer in January. Obviously prayer continues throughout the whole

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year in lots of different ways here at Trinity. But I think Rick, you wanted to share about another

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prayer event opportunity that folks can join us in. Yeah, so we'll probably not have one at the end

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of this month, but we're going to have the first Sunday of the month. We usually have a prayer evening

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at 7pm. But the next event, if you like, is at Good Friday. So we have a slightly different

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type. But again, it's an interactive kind of very peaceful time where you can spend time

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reflecting on Good Friday after the service. We have a number of prayer stations set up where

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you reflect on Jesus' journey to the cross. So it's a bit like the stations of the cross,

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but it's not the same thing. Okay. But it's loosely based on that idea. Okay. So that's our next

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event. So look out for that. Yeah, great. Well, thank you so much, folks, for joining me. And

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thank you for all of the work that you put into leading our community in prayer this week and

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all throughout the year. And so hopefully you have also been inspired to find new ways to pray,

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whether that's joining us in our monthly prayer and worship nights or joining us in

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this week of prayer, whatever it is, I hope that God has blessed you through this time. And

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you can go forth and share that blessing with others. And we will see you next week.