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Hello everyone and welcome to this week's episode of Trinity Talks. I'm so glad that

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you are here joining us today. And I'm excited here to be joined by Rachel and Nishant, who

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are two members of our church here at Trinity Streetsville. And they have a really cool

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story to share with us. So welcome Rachel and Nishant.

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Thanks, Kina.

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So maybe I'll just get you to start by introducing yourself. So maybe Nishant, you want to go

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first?

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Yeah, my name is Nishant Niklas. I've been coming to Trinity for around 15 plus years.

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So I enjoyed coming to this church all these years, being a part of the board for a bit

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and then that church committee. Being a part of, I think, the stewardship campaign as well

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a couple of years ago. So I thoroughly enjoy coming to Trinity.

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Okay, great. And Rachel, what about you?

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Okay, so Rachel, Massey and me and Erin, we come to this church and we found Trinity online.

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Like we just searched on Google and it's been like seven to eight months coming here and

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it's great to be here. And we love pastor Rob's sermons. So we decided to just stick

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around here and yeah, so that's all. And I'm also in the worship team. So that's great.

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And yeah, there are a lot of connections here. So yeah, it's awesome.

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Oh, that's great. Yeah. So I understand that shortly after Rachel and Erin started attending

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Trinity, you've shared with me, Rachel, there's been a number of folks who have invited you

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in and been really kind and welcoming to you. And Nishant and his family was one of those

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folks who invited you in for dinner. So Nishant, what prompted you to want to do that?

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That's a very valid question, Kyla. So please bear with me if it's a longish response to

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a pretty straightforward question, but it was kind of a deja vu moment when I first saw

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Rachel and Erin. It's been a very similar situation with us, myself and my wife, Nimmi

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a few years ago and being to a new church. We lived in Germany for a few years and we

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used to go to a local church there, traditional local church, amazing pastor and everything

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was great, very passionate. But the only problem was my German skills at that time was like

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next to nothing. And it was a pure German church. So it was like a traditional King

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James version of the most complex part of, you know, Epistle of St. Paul thrown at you

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in a different language. So literally everything bent about my head, you know, and likewise

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the same situation out of the church as well. People were very friendly, but you know, to

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any question, my response was typically monosyllabic. I mean, I had no clue. It was like, yeah,

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no, kind of stuff. So I knew how it was to be lost in a new church when you first came

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in. And of course, Rachel and Erin was a lot more at home than we were at that point. But

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you know, I thought maybe it's a good break, ice breaking point. Maybe we can just meet

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up and, you know, unwind a little bit. And so, yeah, it is basically a past event, you

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know, dictating the current behavior kind of stuff. So yeah, for sure. That's really

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cool that you sort of know what it feels like to be new and want to welcome other people.

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So that experience of hosting, what was that like for you and your family?

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It was good. It was good. So it was a nice get together, kind of talking about God and

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everything else. So yeah, it was a nice breaking moment for us. And I was pretty impressed

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with Rachel and Erin, you know, being such like youngsters, being so disciplined and

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regular to church and stuff. So yeah, we did talk quite a bit about, you know, everything

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and yeah, including God and, you know, spirituality and how what kind of gets us together. So

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it was an amazing experience.

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Oh, that's great. And Rachel, what was that like for you and for Erin?

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You know, like in what being invited by someone is like, you feel so welcomed. And so and

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it was like, you know, because we it was our first time here and we didn't know anyone,

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you know, but he reached out to us, his whole family. And it was I remember it was Easter.

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So we had nowhere to go. But they invited us and it was so amazing. And it was so welcoming.

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And we felt like we're at home and talking about our stuff, school stuff, and just having

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a little bit of a chit chat. It was like, you know, talking to a family member and he's

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like a brother to us. And he shares a really great bond with Erin, like talking stuff and,

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you know, all this stuff. So yeah, coming here and being invited or just, you know,

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talking to someone sharing our life experiences. It felt really, really good. And that's what

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we all do. Right. Especially at church. It's like a family. So and there are a lot of families

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who invited both of us, like Libby and David. And, you know, there are a lot of people who

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help us in many ways, like because we don't have a car. Like people ask us, do you want

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to ride or something? Do you want to go somewhere? Like because we're heading the same way. You

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can come with us or, you know, like coming for dinner or, you know, just having a nice

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dinner like even on Thanksgiving. We went to Libby's, so it was really, really good.

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So like, you know, I'm saying like for Easter, we were at his place. For Thanksgiving, we

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were at Libby's. So everyone is like a family. Like him is like a brother. Libby's like a

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sister and David is like a brother as well. So there are a lot of people out here at Trinity

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who are like very, very welcoming and like very friendly. So that's a very good part.

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Yeah. Yeah. No, that's great. Yes. Does it feel maybe intimidating or scary at first

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to go be invited by someone that you don't know very well? Honestly speaking, sometimes

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it, you know, feels like that, you know, but once you get inside the house, you'll feel

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all the vibes and, and, um, a friendly spirit. I can say that, you know, um, you feel welcomed.

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So I think that just happens for a while, but when you talk to them, it's just goes

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away. So you're just talking to like a friend or a family member. So that just goes away.

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So yeah, it was, it was exciting. Yeah. Yeah. That's great. And, um, so for you Nishant,

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this experience of inviting people in and having them in your home, how has that impacted

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your relationships and your experience at Trinity? Oh, yeah. So, you know, that's again,

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a very valid point, Kyla. We've been talking about other church members. I mean, generally

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about it, right? So the whole risk factor about inviting somebody over who's brand new.

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So I know that's where the magic of the bond within the church comes into play. I would

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have been, I guess, a lot more apprehensive had it been done in a secular world, you know,

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where you don't know somebody, you know, what's the risk. And it's, it's the same risk either

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ways though, you know, the risk for the invite or at least he's got the advantage of being

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on the home ground and, you know, still within the comfort factor, whereas it could be a

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daunting task for the invitee to actually walk into something else. But then, you know,

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it might be my personal take, but then within the whole church world, pitching our hopes

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on the one who's who deserves the highest form of faith, trust and faith, you know,

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so both the parties do. And that kind of builds in a level of trust among the creation itself.

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So kind of brings us to a, again, could be a little too idealistic, but we'll see as

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Louis kind of, if you can't trust the man who's taking the communion as besides you,

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then who else can you trust? Ah, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And one vote for you, Rachel.

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Can you repeat that? Yeah, no, just how, how has this experience, you talked about it,

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you know, making more friends, being like brothers and sisters. And so how has this

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helped to make you sort of feel more at home here at Trinity? You know, as I mentioned,

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like talking, that's the main part, like coming, cause we're international students. So we

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come from India. So we just leave our family behind. So we need some people around here

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to talk to or to help us or just, you know, giving us a shoulder to, you know, just rely

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on. So that's very necessary to talk. And coming here, it feels like you're not away

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from home, but you're at your home. And that's a very good part. And especially as we were

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talking about coming here. So it's like, cause here we are all, we're all, we all belong

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to the same kingdom, right? So sharing our beliefs and talking about God and just praying

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together and that just brings us close to God. And that's the main motive, right? So

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yeah, that helps a lot. So yeah. Yeah. And what about in, in your experiences for both

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of you of, of your faith, how has, you know, extending hospitality and being, being welcomed

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into this family, how has that helped to shape your faith or your experience of God?

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Oh, yes. That's a pretty deep question too. I just realized that, you know, the faith

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and being, being to this belonging to the same kingdom as Rachel alluded to brings in

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people closer and let's let the cultural differences vanish. Then the other way around, like people

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in the same culture, but if they have a different belief system, you know, obviously the unity

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and the bond is not the same. So I guess it just kind of strengthened, you know, our belief

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and also the whole realization that the, the same belief system, you know, belief in the

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same God can bring people a lot more closer than the cultural, you know, commonalities

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can. So in a sense, I mean, in layman's terms, I think God brings people together a lot more

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than the culture does.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Do you have anything you want to add?

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Yeah. Like sharing, like Jesus came eating and drinking and that's what we were talking

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about in the last sermon series as well. So yeah. So like sharing a meal together just

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brings people close, not just to people, but to God as well. So, cause we can just share

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our beliefs, our fates, we can just pray together and sharing a meal is a very deep thing to

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do. It's like you're bringing hospitality, you're inviting someone to your place, to

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your heart. So that, you know, helps them to feel important. So yeah. And I think that,

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you know, everyone should do that. I know it feels sometimes scary to invite someone

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who's new or it's for the same person, like going to someone's place who's new, you know,

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you're going to say, I don't know, like, what if someone is doing something that you don't

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like or what if you're doing something that they don't like, what if, cause you, or maybe

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like your culture is different than them. Like you eat something different, I eat something

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different, right? But I think that, you know, just eating together and sharing your stories

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or just talking about God, it's not just about the culture. It's about, you know, being in

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the same place and being together and just being one as we are in, you know, as we are

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in God, cause we are one body. And you know, yeah. So yeah, that helps a lot, especially

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for Christians to stay motivated, to stay, you know, in touch with God. So yeah, that's

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just, you know, builds your faith cause you're talking to someone else. They'll tell you

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their story or their testimony. So it's like, you know, so yeah, that's a great way to continue

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in the service of God. Yeah, for sure. And I think, I think that's a really good point

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that for both the host and the guest, it can feel really awkward. Yes, of course. Especially

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if it's your first time. So yeah, but you know, we just need to break the ice. We just

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need to take the first step and that's what, you know, yeah. Yeah. And one of the biggest

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challenges, Kyla, which is so amusing, I mean, and the thing is it's less of a challenge

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to get the right people is less of a challenge to actually get the right location time and

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less of a challenge even to get the right food and wine and everything else. Then it

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is to actually talk the relevant stuff, you know, we get so distracted, you know, and

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we would end up talking about the wine and everything else and then forget to bring God

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into the picture. And you know, that, that is a struggle. I mean, I'm sure for most and

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especially as somebody like me who gets distracted, we kind of end up talking something else a

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little, it goes off the handle, you know, totally else. But yes, to come back into the

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spirituality and that part of the conversation within the hospitality part is, is always,

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I mean, it's a challenge actually to moderate the conversation back into the real topic.

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Yeah, for sure. And I think, yeah, one of the great things about, about faith and about

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God is that even if we're not always directly talking about God, I think there are so many

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things in our lives that bring us back to our faith. Right? Yes. And we think about,

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you know, the meals with Jesus where he was talking about wine or talking about fish or

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bread or whatever. But actually that, that brings us back into fellowship, into community

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with one another and ultimately with God as well. Totally. Because we're doing something

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that he used to do. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. And so there might be some people who

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are, who are listening or who are watching, who are thinking, well, you know, that sounds

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very good, but that can't be me. You know, they're thinking, well, you know, it would

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be too scary to invite someone into my house or to, to go to someone else's house. So what

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might you say to those people? Okay. Okay. Okay. I'm saying, or you're saying,

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yeah, since, since I was the invite or here, maybe we'll just go ahead and say that. So

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as I kind of alluded to earlier, yeah, in a secular world, of course you got every right

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to be, you know, you know, kind of weighing in on risk and, you know, see it is, I'm going

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to make sure whom you invite to and stuff like that. But that becomes a lot easier in,

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in if you are doing it within the congregation, within the church or the Christian world,

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because as Rachel said, we are, you know, worshiping into the same kingdom and you know,

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we are like looking up to the one who's got the highest trust and faith. So that also

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laterally has said kind of brings in some amount of, you know, trust in each other because

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we're in the same community. We kind of, you know, same church worship the same God. And

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so that makes it a lot easier to trust somebody from the same congregation or, you know, Christian

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or whoever it is than somebody who's like totally brand new. Sure. Yeah. So yeah, what

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about you? No, he's totally right. And I agree with him. And what I'm going to say is that

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maybe there is a family who really needs this. So it's very good to, you know, just welcome

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someone into your house. It might feel strange, but I, I'm telling you, it will just go away

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because you know, the person like, you're just talking to them. Like he mentioned, like

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being in the church. So it's not just brand new person, you know, that person, because

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you talk to them, you meet them every Sunday. So you know who they are and then you're inviting

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them. So I think, you know, that's a very good way because there are some people who

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might need it because being in this world, it's this world is too harsh. You know, sometimes

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people feel lonely and what we need is we need each other. Right. So I think it's a

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very, very good step to invite someone whom, you know, it will be good, especially like

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from the congregation. It's like, you know, you know, they are Christians and you can

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just invite them. It will be a very good time, like for both of the parties. So yeah, I think

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it just depends. So it's, you know, it depends on person to person, but that's what I feel.

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Yeah. Yeah, for sure. And I think the point that you both brought up of, you know, you're

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already in the same faith community, you're in the same family. And so if nothing else,

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you have that in common, right? Right. So that, that becomes maybe a starting point

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for a conversation when otherwise it might feel awkward to start conversation. Right.

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Even when like kids, they go to school, right? They don't just don't go and invite someone.

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They know them and they talk, they meet them every day and yeah, then they become friends

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and then they call each other, you know, at home or something like that. So yeah. And

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for an icebreaker kind of, that's the objective. You know, the tab that we get to it is as

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we said, okay, let me know those people, you know, that person better and better and better.

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So, so at some point that I'll invite, but then, you know, then the whole time factor

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is lost, right? So you want to find the sweet spot where you do that, do diligence, figure

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out, you know, get an idea of sense of how the other person is. And, but don't drag it

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on for too long because then there's no point, right? The ice is broken by somebody else

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or maybe the person is like lost rope and like moved away. So yeah, you got to kind

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of do that sweet spot and then go ahead and, you know, take that plunge.

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Yeah, no, that's, that's great. And I think church provides us with a lot of good opportunities

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to start some of those small conversations, right? Like there's all kinds of people out

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there having coffee together right now. And you know, that provides a really good space

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to start some of that conversation and then maybe continue it over lunch or dinner later

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in the week or something like that. Yeah.

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Yeah. I want to add something as well. What I feel is it's not just about Christians.

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It's all about, it's about every person in this world because we need to be an example

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to others, right? So, we're not just telling everyone just, you know, believe in Jesus

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or something like that, but what we are doing, they'll see that and they'll come to know

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like, Oh, they're the same, but they feel something, you know, different. There's something

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different about them. So, cause what I, what I say to myself is like, when I go up, like

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when I die and when I go up, God's going to ask me, how many souls did he bring to me?

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And I don't want my answer to be zero. Sorry. I want at least one. So, it's a very good

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way to invite people to your house, having a friendly conversation. So, they will just

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know that, yeah, there's something different. I want to know what's different. I want to

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feel that comfort that you guys are having. I'm having money and everything, but there

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is something different about them that I don't have. I just need to know. So, that way, you

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know, it's not just like Christians, like people who don't know about God, they'll know

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about God just by doing that very small step. So, yeah.

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Yeah, for sure. Yeah. It's about how we build community with all kinds of people. Yeah.

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Yeah. No, that's great. Good. Well, thank you so much to both of you for taking the

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time to share your story and your thoughts with us. It's been so good just to hear, Nishant,

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from you about, you know, how your experience of isolation and not sure how to fit in, how

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you, that's inspired you to sort of come and be a welcoming presence for other people.

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And yeah, just to hear from you, Rachel, about how welcome you feel here. And yeah, just

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your passion for creating a community and inviting people in. So, thank you both for

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joining us. And if you're listening to us or watching, maybe you can think about who

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are some people that you can invite in, whether that's for a meal or just for a cup of coffee

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or even a conversation on the sidewalk. What are some ways that this week you can extend

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hospitality? So, think about that. I hope you can go out and do that. And then join

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us again next week for another episode of Trinity Talk.