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Well, good morning everyone and welcome today to our Trinity Talks episode.

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We have a very special episode ahead of us right now.

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I'm really excited to introduce Eric and Travis to the show today.

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Now you if you've been coming to Trinity, you would have seen them over the past couple

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of months.

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We were just talking, they've been at Trinity for almost a year now.

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However, you may also notice them and recognize them as the recent stars of our Trinity Bakes

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segments that we've been having over the past couple of weeks.

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So welcome guys.

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Thank you so much.

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It's great.

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We are going to talk today a little bit about your background in theatre and dramatic arts,

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as well as a little bit about our Trinity Bakes segments that we've been doing.

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And also I was wondering if you could maybe we could talk together about how dramatic

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ministry can be something that the church can use both within the walls of the church

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and maybe outside into the world as well.

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Let's start off before introductions even.

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Let's start off with a little game like we do.

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We've got to do it.

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I know you're ready for it.

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You know that we're going to have a game and if you're going to be drama majors, then you're

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definitely playing a game with me today.

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So you've probably noticed that we have a bowl right between you and there are some

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cards in there with some scenes.

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So common places that you might go like the dentist office or where else might you go?

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A train, some places like that.

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So I've got some scenes there and I was wondering if you could just do a little improv activity

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to show off your dramatic skills with everybody.

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And the trick of this improv game, it's actually a classic improv game, is that everything

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that is said within the scene must be a question.

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I think we call it questions.

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So we're going to start.

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We're going to have Travis, you can pull out a card and show us and tell us what the scene

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of your play is.

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We've got a school.

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We have a school.

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All right.

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So you can kind of choose what school it is and maybe you can start off the scene.

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We've got to kind of keep it keep it quick, right?

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Yep.

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Keep the pace going.

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All right.

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All right.

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Eric, did you do your homework?

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When was it do again?

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Don't you know?

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I who who told us?

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We're warming up.

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We're warming up.

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All right.

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Time for another one.

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All right.

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That's good.

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That's OK.

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This is actually a fun game to play with family.

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You can play it around the table.

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You can play it with your kids.

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I've got hospital.

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Hospital.

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All right.

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That fun place.

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So what's the diagnosis?

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Aren't you supposed to tell me that?

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Do you think it's serious?

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Doesn't it look serious?

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Have you looked at the reports I sent you?

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When did you send those?

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When did I send those?

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Why don't you know this?

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Why can't I remember?

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Did you go to school?

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Did you do your homework at school?

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We're going to end it right there.

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Great way to wrap it up.

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All right.

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I just kind of want to know what the diagnosis is.

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I'm confused who was the patient and who was the doctor.

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That's great.

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All right.

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So we know that you're stellar actors because we've seen your Trinity at Bakes episodes

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and we've just witnessed this amazing improv.

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Let's just start off with maybe with Eric.

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Could you just tell us a little bit about yourself?

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Yeah, absolutely.

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So I am from a little town called Meaford up in the Blue Mountains area.

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Came to school at Toronto for dramatic performance and did their theater program where I met

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Travis on her first day, actually.

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We've been together now for nearly over a decade.

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We have two lovely little kiddos, twins age three, and just enjoy getting to relive some

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of the skills that we've learned in school.

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We both work in insurance now.

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So able to not usually be able to ply the trade as much as we used to.

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Yeah, I just enjoy a lot of, you might not realize it from the content of the videos,

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but I enjoy cooking.

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We have a new garden in our new house that I'm learning to kind of help manage.

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And I just enjoy doing things in small groups of friends.

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I play a lot of like Dungeons and Dragons and games and that sort of thing.

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And that's kind of one of my acting outlets, I guess, besides Trinity Bakes.

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Oh, well, welcome.

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Thank you.

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And what about yourself?

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Yeah, I grew up in Mississauga.

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I've lived Mississauga my whole life, except when I took a slight detour out and lived

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in Toronto, went to UT for acting as well.

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And then, yeah, met this guy.

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We moved back to Mississauga.

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And yeah, as he said, kind of found her way to insurance of all places, which sounds really

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weird but actually makes more sense than you might think.

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And then, yeah, we've got our kids.

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We'll get to this, I think, in the questions, but I actually really love to bake.

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So this has been a really, it's been an acting challenge for sure, Trinity Bakes.

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But yeah, that's one of my main hobbies.

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I love baking and sewing and all that good stuff.

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So lots of creative things that I'm doing other than acting these days.

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But the kids keep us very busy.

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I can imagine.

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Twins, three years old.

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Well, that's great.

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A lot of good stuff.

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A lot of the tricky stuff, but it's a lot of fun.

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Yes.

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So we are fans of Trinity Bakes.

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And we actually saw you were both doing some of the monologues in a recent sermon series

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that we had as well, which was the final last words that Jesus spoke on the cross, which

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was a different type of acting altogether, much more serious.

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So could you tell us what got you into acting?

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And maybe you have different answers, maybe the same, but why did you study it?

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And what did you like about the craft?

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I guess for me, I've always really enjoyed the act of storytelling and just being able

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to present and being able to kind of build a connection with people and audiences through

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these stories that have kind of led a lot of how we look at life.

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We do that a lot with the stories from the Bible.

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We do that a lot with Shakespeare, which is a big point for us as theater actors and these

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stories that have kind of lived through our cultural history and are retold again and

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again and again through different lenses.

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So that was my primary draw.

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So I just really enjoy that act of telling a story and connecting with people.

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Amazing.

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Great.

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Thank you.

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Similar.

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But yeah, for me, I can remember very specifically, I was like seven.

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We were in New York.

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I saw The Phantom of the Opera and I went into the theater kicking and screaming because

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I thought it was going to be scary and boring, which I'm not sure how that works.

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But anyway, my seven-year-old brain thought that that made sense.

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And then they had to drag me out because I just thought it was so magical what happened

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in that space with all those people together kind of listening to the same thing and transforming

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together and being carried along this story.

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And so that's really what kind of what sparked it for me.

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And then I just like couldn't stay away after that.

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So it's a pivotal moment.

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Wonderful.

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Oh, that's great to hear.

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A core memory.

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Core memory.

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So we're talking a little bit about stage acting, but what you've been doing is a little

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bit of screen acting, albeit a little bit small, but still a little bit different.

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What are some of the key differences that maybe us, maybe non-drama folk don't know?

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I'll let you take that one.

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First of all, I'm not much of a screen actor, and this has been a very scary experience

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for me.

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When you're acting live, you kind of get to read the room a little bit, right?

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Because you can feel the energy of the people in the space.

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You can feel if they're getting the jokes, if they're not getting jokes, if they're

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along with you or not.

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And you can kind of adjust in the moment and feed off that energy.

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Whereas when you're doing something for screen, especially I would say there's a difference

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between screen for maybe TV or movies and then for social media.

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Because especially for the shorts and the YouTube videos, people are going to be watching

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these alone probably in their house.

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They're not even watching it in a group.

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Of course, when the congregation watches it, it's in a big group, which is nice.

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But it's just a totally different audience, and you have to keep that in mind.

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And you don't know what it's going to look like, because so much of it is up to the wonderful

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magic of the post-production when they cut it all together.

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So you don't even know after you're done wrapped filming what's going to make it in.

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What jokes are we going to see?

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So for us, it's as new an experience as for everybody else when we sit there and watch

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it because we don't know what got left on the cutting room floor, what made it in, how

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it gets edited, and what the final product looks like.

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We've been very nervous the last few services coming in going, I don't know how it's going

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to go.

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It's a debut for you as well.

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That's right.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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But you did mention that it's out on YouTube.

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And I think you mentioned that the recent short, so a short clip that was put out on

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YouTube just has 1200 views already.

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So there are people watching it.

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And if you haven't taken a look, we are actually going to show a clip from Trinity Bakes.

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And then we'll talk a little bit about Trinity Bakes and how it all has been put together.

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All right, let's watch the video.

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Everything in our pie mash.

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We have to grease it first.

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I like to cheat and use this.

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Sorry!

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We're just going to sprinkle this on top.

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Wow, look at that.

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Can I give this to you to put over there?

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Okay, now we're going to put it in our preheated oven.

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So that was the first one, the French apple pie, and then we've had several more and we

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have several more to come as well.

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So what has the process been like?

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I know that you are responsible for coming up or co-coming up with some of the scripts,

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and that is your house.

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So what does this look like, this process?

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It's funny you mentioned scripts, because I think that's pretty generous of what we

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But really a lot of what we do beforehand is we take a look at the recipe, we come up

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with some general sort of, I guess you'd say, bits or jokes or things we want to play

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off of.

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And really it's just a matter of starting to try things, see what works.

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I think some of the folks behind the camera are really good at saying what will look good,

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what will translate, what doesn't.

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So really, just like we were doing with the game at the beginning, a lot of it is kind

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of off the cuff.

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We have a general thought process behind it, but nothing is really set in stone.

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And of course, we're always happy to take suggestions on what looks good.

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Rob has been really great at coming over and trying to contextualize some of what he'd

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like to see on some of it for the sermon and everything.

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So I think that's...

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Well, you're very talented.

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It's a pretty chaotic environment.

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You work well together, I have to say.

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Your personalities complement each other really well on camera.

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Thank you.

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I'm not sure if that's intentional or if it just comes by naturally.

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I mean, it does here, so obviously to some extent, but you know how to play off each

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other really well.

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It's not our first time on stage or on screen next to each other.

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We were in the same class in theater school, so we were always in scenes together, working

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together on various different projects.

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We've worked together on stage in a performance capacity.

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Travis is actually a brilliant director as well and directed several shows that I was

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able to be a part of and was incorporating a lot of the stuff that she sees from a bigger

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picture.

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So we work really well in a performance aspect and as a director-performer relationship as

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All right.

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And also as husband-wife.

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Which is like a director-performer relationship.

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It's all part of it.

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I wasn't going to say that, but all right.

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So in real life, you mentioned that you like to bake, Travis.

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I do.

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Who's the better baker?

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This one here.

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She is.

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All right.

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I've tried to dabble in baking a little bit, but everything I know at this point has been

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learned from her and I love to be an assistant to her projects.

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He's a great helper, a great dish guy, and a great measurer of ingredients, again, contrary

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to what we see on the screen.

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Yeah, I love baking.

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When you brought up her drink, that was pretty good.

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So what are some of your favorite dishes to make?

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And Eric, what are some of your favorite dishes to eat?

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Oh, well, I mean, you are a prolific cake baker.

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I love to make cakes.

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Yeah, cakes are my thing.

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You recently made a cake for someone's birthday just at the beginning of the spring and even

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just now, I think you were making-

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Yeah, I just made one yesterday for a family friend's bridal shower, like yesterday.

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Oh, great.

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Yeah, I bake a lot.

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Probably my biggest baking feat has been after everybody leaves trying to fix the mess that

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we've made.

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We actually ate the French apple pie and the blueberry cobbler that we made.

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I would like to make them again and actually measure everything, but we did try to salvage

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them because I also hate wasting food.

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And so we dusted off all the gassing sugar and put it in the oven and it actually turned

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out all right.

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We tried to salvage it.

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Well, that's good to hear.

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That's good to hear.

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Yeah.

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So then what you mentioned, and I think you alluded to this already a little bit, Eric,

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that as Christians, we can actually sometimes use and experience our dramatic expression

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like any art form and use it as a way to develop our faith and maybe even disciple others.

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So how do you think we can use this creative art form to deepen our faith and relationship

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with Jesus?

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Yeah, I think one thing that comes to mind is much like we do with Libby and the praise

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team, it's kind of a form of creation.

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We're using some of the talents and the gifts that we have to kind of give another creative

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and expression to our faith and connection, not only with each other as a congregation,

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but also to the messages that we're practicing and we're talking about in Rob's sermons

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and kind of what the Bible teaches us.

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Yeah, I think the other one is really when, especially when you're playing a character,

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and I'll take it back to out from Trinity Bakes, because it's a bit of a different thing

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to the Lent monologues that we did.

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Particularly for me, the individual I was playing was not a super sympathetic sort of

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a person on first glance.

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They're hurling insults at Jesus on the cross.

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This is not the kind of person any of us would probably see ourselves in or want to see ourselves

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in.

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But when you take on that role, it forces you to kind of empathize, understand and not

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judge people who come from all kinds of different circumstances.

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That can be something really small, like a character who just says something you would

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never say or something a little more extreme if you're playing a villain role or something

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a little bit worse.

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In order to play that person, you have to understand them and forgive them in a way

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so that you can give an honest portrayal.

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I think that that can be really powerful to help us understand each other and how we all

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have our challenges and our different things that we work through.

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It makes it more understandable why people come from where they come from and can help

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us empathize with other people and not judge them.

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I think it was really great that we had Rob's sermon today talking about patience and being

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patient with people and being patient with the people who frustrate us and everything

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to tie right directly to that point.

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Thanks, guys.

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That's actually a beautiful answer and something that I've never actually thought about in

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that context.

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Another thing about story, sorry, about acting is that it's often about storytelling, like

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you were mentioning as well.

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We know that Jesus used stories in so much of his teachings.

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There's stories, there's parables, and that's how he got his message across.

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Why do you think storytelling is such a powerful tool to share a message with others?

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I think especially when you take it into something practical and something dramatic, it really

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helps to bring it alive.

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There's a big difference, and we even say this when we read Shakespeare, reading it

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and seeing it performed, two totally different things.

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I think when you put it up on its feet and put it in front of people, it really helps

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to make it real in a way that it's not when you might read it on a page.

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So many of these stories, the main way you see drama introduced in churches is Christmas

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pageants.

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That's the one that we're all kind of familiar with.

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I think that's used so much, first of all, to get the kids involved and to help them

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understand what's going on.

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It also helps bring it alive for us a bit.

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We've heard the story so many times, right?

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But have we really recently thought about what it means to be pregnant on a camel in

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a desert without somewhere to stay?

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Once you actually see it, it can really help you understand that context and where all

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of that is coming from in a way that reading it sometimes just doesn't land the same way.

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You get different things out of reading it.

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I think you get more themes and lessons and things like that.

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When you see it, it makes it a little bit more real for us.

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Especially like you said, when it's a story that we come back to so often.

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Sometimes upon hearing it X number of times, you start to not necessarily lose the importance

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behind the story, but you kind of lose that emotional attachment to when you read it the

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first time almost.

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I think that's great.

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You even mentioned that about Shakespeare, how that has sort of lasted the test of time

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and it can be portrayed in so many different ways and it can come to life in fresh ways,

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which can then help us continue to engage over and over again.

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Now before we wrap up, I was thinking about acting and skills and the principles of the

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craft that you're probably aware of and I probably am not.

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Like maybe eye contact or body placement.

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What are some of the principles in acting that you think could translate maybe into

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everyday life that everyday people could maybe use as they encounter different people and

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share and disciple with others?

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I think one thing that we've touched on a little bit with some of the other discussion

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that we've had is just the idea of truly being empathetic.

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You'd mentioned to play a character, you have to know where they come from, but when we

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interact with people daily life, we sometimes have to give a little grace to where somebody

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is in a particular moment, what they're going through currently.

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I think that is something that we can use in our daily lives, but it's also very important

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in the field of acting to, again, know the context of the situation, know the context

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of what you're going to be saying, what you're going to be, what you're going to put out

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in terms of how should I feel in this moment.

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So empathy would kind of be my answer.

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I think going off of that as well, knowing who you're performing for, and I say performing,

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Shakespeare also said all the world's a stage.

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We all are to a certain extent performing whatever role that we're performing, whether

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it's you're being a parent, you're at work, we all kind of have different ways that we

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present ourselves in different circumstances.

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And so understanding the people that you're talking to or interacting with and where they're

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at so that your message can land, I think is really important if you're trying to share

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something with them, and knowing that not everybody's at the same place.

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And again, going back to that kind of pivoting based on being present, right?

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Being present with people and really noticing how they're responding to you and how you

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can be sensitive to them and really kind of come together and have the best result, whatever

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that result is that you're looking for in that circumstance.

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Well, that's beautiful.

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So much to think about.

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You've definitely given us a lot to reflect on, and I feel like I've definitely come away

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with a lot of new knowledge and understanding and appreciation actually as well.

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So thank you.

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Historically, Trinity has been known to have a drama ministry, actually before my time

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here.

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But from time to time, we do skits and we've done plays.

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What would be maybe even just in a couple sentences synopsis of what your hope or dream

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could be for Trinity or a church in general to use drama?

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And if you don't have any more.

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Yeah, I think having more opportunities, having more people involved.

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I understand some people sometimes come to it thinking, I'm not an actor.

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I don't know how I'm going to connect.

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But I think we saw with the Lent videos that we did during that sermon series that I would

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think that maybe not everybody who did that felt like they were an actor.

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But being able to give yourself into something is something that we all have the capability

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of doing.

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And as we do with Trinity Break, sometimes you're going to look silly.

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Sometimes you're going to have to play against your type as a bad baker versus a good baker.

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And I think that it seems scary to get involved and jump in.

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But you do it once, and I think like you said, at seven years old, you get hooked.

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Yeah, I agree.

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I think that there's so much more we can do.

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We've seen some videos.

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Be great to see some more live stuff.

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Get the kids involved.

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Because I think, again, kids love to play pretend.

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And I've never lost that.

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But kids definitely love it.

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And I think adults secretly love it as well.

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I think so, too.

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But yeah, getting a lot of people together.

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Because I really think you get to know people in a different way, too.

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When you're working on something together, like you would if you were kind of all working

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on putting a piece of music together or decorating the front of the church or whatever.

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It's just another way to bring people together in community to bring something positive,

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whether it's just simply bringing joy or bringing a positive message or a teaching or whatever

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it is that we're trying to accomplish with whatever that thing might be.

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Just people working towards that common goal, I think, is so important in community.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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I know you've been thinking we were just going to talk about baking.

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And there are so many layers that have just come out.

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We could do a whole other episode about baking.

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That's right.

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All right.

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All the mistakes we made.

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Well, boo, you're looking for the bloopers real now.

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That's right.

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That's right.

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Well, thank you very much to Travis and Eric, the stars of Trinity Bakes, as well as just

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lovely family.

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Please get to know them.

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And that was it for Trinity Talks.