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Good morning everybody. Good morning. Good morning and welcome to Trinity Talks. Thank

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you. Yes. So this is actually a special little episode we have here because I call these the

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original three. We are over half a year into our Trinity Talks. And so we had Martin, Linda,

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and Bruce join us as the very first guests on Trinity Talks. And we were just talking about

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how we didn't have headphones back then. Yeah. No. We've stepped up and now you've got the

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headphones on. And you've got three cameras. Yes. Yeah. That's right. So it's changed. So when

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you come back in six months, who knows what will happen. Who knows? We'll have VR. We'll be on

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hoverboards. I don't know. Or VR, exactly. All right. Well, we are talking today about joy. And

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we've been working as a church through the sermon series all about the fruit of the spirit. So we

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are going to be talking not just about fruit, but we're also going to be talking about joy today.

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And we're going to be going through some of the sermon questions that we post online. How does

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that sound? All right. Sure. All right. So every week here at Trinity during this sermon series,

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we are going to be focusing on a specific, as I said, fruit of the spirit, but also a specific

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fruit just to keep it fun and interesting. And what fruit was it today? Mangoes. Excellent. You

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guys like mangoes? Love mangoes. Absolutely. They're all right. Okay. Perfect. All right. Well,

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I've got three mangoes in a dish here. And on each of those mangoes is a letter J, O, or Y

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to spell joy. So I'm going to pass each of you a mango. And then I'd like you to think about

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something that might spark joy within yourselves that starts with that letter. All right. So I'm

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going to pass that bowl over to you now. Thank you.

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So can everyone let the camera know what letters you have? Martin? I have an O.

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Linda, I have a Y and Bruce. And I got the Sunday School Mango with J. All right. So what

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sparks joy with you? Let's start with you, Bruce. It sounds like you've got an answer.

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Well, Jesus, of course. Of course. Of course. The Sunday School answer. Jesus.

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That's right. Yep. You've got an easy one. Let's continue on by spelling joy. And after J comes

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O. So Martin, you've got the O. Maybe a little tricky. That's a tricky one. That's a tricky one.

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But how about optimism? Optimism gives me joy. Optimism. That's a great one. Excellent. I was

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personally going to say octopus, but I like I almost stole that. But optimism is a good answer.

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I could steal that. But I could know. Optimism is great. And now we come to Linda with Y.

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And this was a really tough one. But and I didn't steal yours. I came up with Yule.

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Christmas brings me great joy because it's good news. Wow. Excellent. All right. I like all of

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those answers. Very good. And you guys get the joy of holding onto those mangoes for this whole

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show because I don't really feel like getting up again. If you feel like just biting into one,

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you're welcome to. We don't have a cleaver. You don't. You don't know. So that might be a little

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messy. All right. So I'm going to go through some of the questions like I mentioned. And we do post

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them online under services and sermon questions. So if anyone out there is interested in just

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sort of following along or in going through the questions yourselves, you can go to them on our

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website as well. You can actually email us and we will put you on a mailing list where we will

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notify you when they come up and they can come straight to your email as well. Some people

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don't know that, but we have people who are on our sermon notes group. All right. So the very

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first question is why do you think many Christians, sorry, lack joy despite being a fruit of the

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spirit? Joy is one of the fruits of the spirit. But certainly I think we can all admit that like

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not every Christian is demonstrating joy all the time. So why do you think that's the case?

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Well, Rob mentioned three. And I would, I would guess one of the biggest ones would have to be

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disbelief. I think that, you know, not believing that we can have the fruits of the spirit from

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from God and not trusting God. Just disbelief. Yeah. I think it's a disappointment.

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I think that maybe that goes hand in hand with disbelief, though, because I think that there's

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a misconception that if you believe that everything is just going to go swimmingly for you. And I

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don't think that there's anywhere that God promises as a rose garden. I think if we go through the

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Bible, there's more instances where people of faith struggled than had it easy. And so I think that

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the disappointment is something people just have to understand that believing is not a free ticket

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to an easy life. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and Jesus tells us that too. Like he says, you are going to

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have troubles in your life. That's right. I'm not promising that it's going to be an easy rod that

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but that he will be there for us through every step of the way. And that can give us great joy.

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Yeah. So disbelief, disappointment can sort of side rail us from joy. Yeah. Yeah.

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So how do you think understanding that God loves us unconditionally, which is our belief

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and that he has done everything for our salvation can lead to joy? Like having that in our minds

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and that in our hearts? Once you believe that, all the possibility for disappointment, for disbelief

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vanishes. Yes. You understand that God loved us before we were even born. Yeah. And that God

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still loves us. And no matter what we do, God loves us. So nothing that we can do is going to change

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that or improve on it. That's good. Yeah. We are unconditionally loved and I can't help but feel

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joy when I think of that. When you think about that, it doesn't get much better.

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And also, when you have a Savior who died for you on the cross, nothing that happens to you

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and can ever match what Jesus endured for us. And how can that not bring joy to you?

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It's not always a happiness, but it's a joy. It's an inner... It's interesting because when I was

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thinking about joy, I was thinking about inner peace, but that's another week. So we won't steal

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that. We won't steal that thunder, but it really is almost like an inner peace, a piece of the song,

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a piece that passes understanding. And so I just can't imagine how you can cope through struggles

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without realizing that Jesus paid the ultimate sacrifice for you. Which is so helpful, right?

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Yeah. In the long run, isn't it? I mean, all of us want love. And what greater joy to know that

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somebody loved us so much, loved us so much that he was willing to do that for us and is there for

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us every day. Amazing. Amazing. So how do you think... And I think, Bruce, you alluded to this. How do

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you think Christian joy that we're talking about differs from worldly happiness? I think happiness

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is circumstantial. That's what I was going to say. I think it comes and goes. We are happy when good

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things happen. We are happy when there's an event in our life, like a birthday. My son-in-law graduated

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yesterday and a plug for Isaac. Root, root. Yeah, that's right. But it's just you're happy about those

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things. But joy is different. Joy is something that you experience no matter what. I remember

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Laura and I were in a car accident and it was not just a fender bender. And the couple that hit us

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said to us, you must go to church because you're not angry with us. Really? Okay. And it's just that

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sort of thing where when bad things happen, you can look at it and put it in perspective and it

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doesn't consume you. It just sounds so practical and wise at the same time. Yeah. I was going to say,

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add to that about the joy, difference between joy and happiness is you can still be joyful even if

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you're not happy. You can still be relishing something coming up in the future or remembering

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something from the past. And in this case, when we're joyful, when we're filled with the spirit,

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because of what God has done for us, that's all the time. So you can still grieve. You can still

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have sadness. You can still grieve. You can still be sorrowful. You can still be, but you can still

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have joy at the same time. Very good. I love that. Why do you think Paul says that we can rejoice even

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in our sufferings? Do you think that's for that reason? For those reasons. For those reasons. Yeah.

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So let's discuss some practical ways that we can remain joyful daily. It does seem like it's

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something that needs to be practiced in order to be cultivated by the spirit, to be grown within us.

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I think every day focusing on what God has done for us and being thankful, you know, like

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start your day. This is the day the Lord has made. Let us rejoice and be thankful in it.

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That starts your day off on just the right footing, you know. Just refocusing. Don't

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focus on what's happening in your life that's stressing you out or eating your joy, but think

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about what the ultimate joy giver. Ah, so focusing on Jesus, on God. Yes. Yeah. Making it a daily

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practice. Gratitude, I heard it there too. I was going to say gratitude. Yeah. The attitude of

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gratitude or whatever that phrase came from, I really like it. I like it too. Keeping that

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foremost in your mind. As you said, I start the day too by saying that same little thing,

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that same little prayer that Linda said. Nice. You know, this is the day that the Lord has made.

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Let's rejoice in it. Beautiful. Yep. I agree with what they said. I don't think I could

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say it any better. Yeah. Amazing. All right. So how can we address maybe these disbeliefs,

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disappointments? And I think Rob also mentioned detachment in our lives. So how do you think we

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can address those maybe on the daily, even? Disappointments that sort of creep in

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probably almost every day, right? Yeah. Or a detachment or even disbelief because we're

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thrown so many other messages, right? Every day. I think having practices or habits, developing

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habits that keep you in touch with God, Bible study, reading the Bible, praying,

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listening, taking time to sort of shut everything out and listen to see what God is saying to you.

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Those things help you understand what he's really saying and what he's really doing for you and what

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he's done for you and understand the significance of it. Yeah. And when you understand that

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significance and realize how, you know, we're such a little tiny, almost insignificant spec

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in God's creation and he has his arms around us. Yeah. That you can't help.

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The magnificence of God just brings joy. Yeah. And you can think about that in many different

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ways. And when you start your, I start my, like to start my day off that way. But even during the

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day, sometimes you just stop and, wow, look at all this that's going on. It sounds like a different

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perspective. It also sounds like a discipline. Yeah. Yeah. Surrounding yourself with other

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believers or other people. And this is going to be a plug for life groups, but getting involved in

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in a life group where you've got another support system, people that are walking with you and

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that are praying for you, that can help you through the tough times when you're disappointed or

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you're feeling detached because we're all going to go through those times. As we said, you know,

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God is not a recipe for a perfect life. So we are going to have challenges and to have

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somebody that can, you know, steer you off the path. It's destruction or whatever and or the

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disappointment. And, and I find that that gives us, it gives me certainly a great deal of support,

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help, joy. Awesome. Wonderful. I think there's a few things for me. One of them is intentionality.

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It's kind of like what Martin was saying about habits. Just, just choosing to focus on God

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at those times where it seems difficult to. But the other thing is I get, I find that the joy

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comes to me if I am expending myself. If I'm doing something for others, that gives me much more joy

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than anything else. It's not always easy. Sometimes those are the most difficult times. But at the

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end of the day, you're ex-op, you might be exhausted, you might be completely worn out, but there's a

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joy that you cannot describe by doing that. By serving others. And Jesus tells us that, right?

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Yes. He tells us to do this. Yeah. I love it. Actually, it stuck with me, but we had a, I guess

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preacher last summer, and he talks to us about how we can deal with heart emotions. And he was

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talking about when we have bad emotions, the best antidote for that is serving others. Yeah.

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Yeah. Which I mean is certainly, certainly a Biblical base there. Jesus tells us to do that.

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It takes you out of, out of your circumstances. And it changes your focus. And as Bruce says,

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there is a warmth in your heart when you feel as if you've made it a difference for somebody,

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even if it's just a smile or a hug. It's, it's very difficult to not be joyful if you're loving

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others. It's almost, it's almost an impossibility. If you're expressing love for others, then it's

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absolutely impossible to not be joyful because it's counterintuitive. There's a disconnect there.

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So focusing on loving others will automatically bring joy to your heart. Beautiful. Very good.

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Beautiful. Yeah. So, and I think Bruce, you mentioned this in your car accident story,

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is how can our joy be a testimony to others about the transforming power of the Holy Spirit?

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Well, people can see it in your actions or reactions and how you handle the circumstance.

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Yeah. Some circumstances. Yeah. We have a woman in our life that has given several circumstances

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where she has had people approach her and say, you must be Christian. Can you pray for me?

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Really? Yes. All right. And these are people maybe that she doesn't know before?

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She's never met before. Okay. In the airport, in the coffee shop. I don't know if I give off that

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same aura. I would love to think that I do. But that's my goal for people to recognize me as a

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child of God because they can see him in me. Right. And joy would be one of those fruits that come

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forth. The bubble forth. Yes. For sure. Many years ago, Laura and I decided that we were going to try

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to be, bring joy to people's lives when we interact with them, whether it's a cashier,

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whether it's a waiter, server at a restaurant, whatever. Okay. And at the beginning, it was

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kind of like one of those things you had to be, as I mentioned earlier, intentional about. And you

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had to remember, okay, I'm, this person is here to do their job. And rather than making their lives

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miserable, we want to make their lives better. And it, but over time, that intentionality

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changed to us just now being in the habit, as Martin said. Yeah. About this is how we are.

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And, and so we are great friends with the cashier at our grocery store.

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Well, right. And it's just that sort of thing happens over time. And I don't know if we make

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a difference in our life, but she, she always, you know, if one of us is missing, she asks where

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we are. And it's just one of those things where I think it's, I think it's important for those small,

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reasonably intangible things that we can do. That's, that's great. I think it's, I think it's

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lovely. Yeah. God encourages us to be relational. And that, you know, like, and this is part of it,

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you know, reaching out to other people and, right. So sometimes these interactions, like you said,

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you said you could like make their life miserable, or maybe just even insignificant. Yes. But you

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have the opportunity every time you're interacting with someone. What's the point of complaining

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about a trivial, small thing in a grocery store? Like, when, like when you think about it that way,

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we're all laughing at it. We all laughed, but we've all seen it. We've probably all done it.

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And it's just one of those things where, where it's just a choice. And soon the choice becomes

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a lifestyle. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. You can make a habit out of probably any practice, right? It's

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just what practice do you choose to do? Yeah. Yeah. And let's choose joy. So maybe we're just

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going to end with the last question here on my list, which says, let's share ways to build a

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joyful community. And I think we've already touched on some of those. And how can we support each

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other in experiencing joy? Do you think it's something that we can talk about freely with

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each other, encourage one another? I don't know if it's something that everybody can,

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but I think that it's something that everybody should try. Yeah. And as Bruce says, eventually,

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with the intention of it, you can develop the habit. Because as I said, God wants us to be

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relational. And if you can share your joy with somebody else and be with them when they're,

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they don't seem to be having their joy, and you can share some of yours, then I think that's,

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the world would be a better place if everybody could do that.

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So just be a joyful person. I find it hard to improve on some of the things that Bruce is saying.

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Yeah. Yeah. Making it part of your daily life activities and showing that to others. I think

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there are times when you can keep your eye out for someone who definitely needs encouragement.

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And then maybe needs a shot in the arm. So then you can ask the Holy Spirit to just film,

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fill you with joy for a little while so you can go and give something to them.

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And I think if we're struggling with, we feel a lack of joy or we're

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disappointed or something, reaching out to somebody gives them the opportunity and makes

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them feel good. But it also allows you to, as in, you know, the proverbs or Psalms to be able to

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share what's bothering you perhaps and be supported through it.

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Well, thanks for that, Linda, because you're right. We might need that encouragement as well.

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Yeah. So reaching out. That's great. Thank you. So we're going to wrap up our Trinity Talks here.

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But before we do, I did promise you that I'd ask you all what your favorite fruit was because we're

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talking fruit. So I can't forget that. So let's just switch gears. And I'd love to hear everyone's

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favorite fruit. We did this last week as well. And we're going to continue through the Sermon

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series starting with Martin. Blueberries. Blueberries. That's my favorite color. It's my favorite fruit.

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Coming up next week, you don't want to miss it. We're doing blueberries. You stole my fruit.

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You're allowed to have the same favorite fruit. You are buried after all. Yes. Blueberries.

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Blueberries. Great. Now we know why you guys got together.

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I have a lot of favorite fruits. But believe it or not, mango. I think if I had to choose a fruit,

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I would probably choose mango. Amazing. Perfect. How appropriate that you are here with us today.

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Excellent. So we're going to end off by just saying this is the day Lord has made. Let us

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rejoice and be glad. And let's be joyful today, Trinity. Thanks so much. Thank you. Thank you very much.

