1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:05,400 It is exciting to have you guys with me today. 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:06,400 I'm so excited. 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:07,400 Yes, I know. 4 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:12,280 We were just chatting a little bit before this started, and I wanted to let you know 5 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:18,800 that I am very excited to have three members of Trinity's Advisory Board with me here today. 6 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:24,040 And I think that this is really important to show the congregation, anyone who's watching, 7 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:26,440 a little bit about how the church is run. 8 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,560 This is a really important part of the church that you represent. 9 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:33,260 And I think a part of the church that a lot of us, including myself sometimes, don't really 10 00:00:33,260 --> 00:00:34,520 fully understand. 11 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:36,960 So thank you again for joining me. 12 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:41,640 So as I said, you guys are part of the Advisory Board. 13 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:43,640 You actually all have special titles and roles. 14 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,360 So let me introduce you first, and then we're going to play a little game. 15 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:47,640 So we have Jen here. 16 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:49,680 And Jen, what's your title on the board? 17 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:51,600 My title is Rector's Warden. 18 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:52,600 All right. 19 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:54,800 Well, welcome, Rector's Warden. 20 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:56,800 And Mandy, we have Mandy here. 21 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:58,480 What's your special title on the board? 22 00:00:58,480 --> 00:00:59,880 I would be the People's Warden. 23 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:00,880 Well, welcome, People's Warden. 24 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:01,880 Thank you. 25 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:05,860 And Derek, you are also a member of the board and have a special title. 26 00:01:05,860 --> 00:01:07,120 And what is your special title? 27 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:08,120 I'm the Treasurer. 28 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,100 Well, welcome, Treasurer. 29 00:01:10,100 --> 00:01:13,840 So I've already thrown out the word board a few times. 30 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:17,800 So you may have noticed when you walked into the studio that there's a piece of paper by 31 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:18,800 your feet. 32 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:27,120 Now, on that piece of paper is a word that ends with board, B-O-A-R-D. 33 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:32,160 Not to be confused with B-O-R-E-D, where this is very exciting meaning here. 34 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:37,720 And I would like to ask you each to look at your word and for one another, try to act 35 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:39,560 out that word. 36 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:41,160 They were not expecting this. 37 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:42,160 No, we weren't. 38 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:43,160 You were not. 39 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:44,160 All right. 40 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:49,000 No, I can guarantee you that these are all very familiar words to you. 41 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:50,000 This is just more for fun. 42 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,160 If we can't get it, then I don't know. 43 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:53,160 I don't know. 44 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,400 Someone out there online will get it and maybe they can put it out in the comments for us. 45 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:01,120 All right, rectors, Warden, Jen, would you be able to act out your word that ends with 46 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:02,560 board for your? 47 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:03,560 I think so. 48 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:04,560 Yeah. 49 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:05,560 You ready? 50 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:06,560 Yeah. 51 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:07,560 Keyboard. 52 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:08,560 Keyboard. 53 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:09,560 Hooray. 54 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:10,560 Amazing. 55 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:11,560 That was easy. 56 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:12,560 That was like, yeah, there you go. 57 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:13,560 Wasn't so bad. 58 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:14,560 All right. 59 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:15,560 They don't get progressively more difficult either, guys. 60 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:16,560 All right. 61 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:17,560 I'm still stuck on piano. 62 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:18,560 Piano. 63 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:19,560 Piano. 64 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:20,560 A piano board? 65 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:21,560 Because it plays a piano. 66 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:22,560 Yes. 67 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:23,560 OK. 68 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:24,560 Me to go? 69 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:25,560 Your turn. 70 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:26,560 OK. 71 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:27,560 Chalkboard. 72 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:28,560 Excellent. 73 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:29,560 Wow. 74 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:30,560 All right. 75 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:34,640 I promise they didn't practice this ahead of time, guys. 76 00:02:34,640 --> 00:02:35,640 All right. 77 00:02:35,640 --> 00:02:36,640 Now, now, Derek, treasurer. 78 00:02:36,640 --> 00:02:37,640 OK, guys. 79 00:02:37,640 --> 00:02:42,160 I did give you yours on purpose, by the way. 80 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:43,160 Snowboard. 81 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:44,160 Snowboard. 82 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:45,160 Diving board. 83 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:46,160 Surfboard. 84 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:47,160 Fantastic. 85 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:48,160 All right, guys. 86 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:55,160 So if the board doesn't work out for you, then acting here we come. 87 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,160 We're going to play this at our next Board of Directors meeting. 88 00:02:58,160 --> 00:02:59,160 That's right. 89 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:00,160 Everybody knows ahead of time. 90 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:01,160 All right. 91 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:06,880 So Trinity Church is actually an Anglican church, which some people may not even know, 92 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:11,080 and which means that we follow a set of rules and a governance structure set out by the 93 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,080 Anglican diocese. 94 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:16,680 Derek, I know you're quite familiar with this. 95 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:21,880 How far back does this governance structure that we follow go back? 96 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,280 Well, back to Henry VIII. 97 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:25,280 Wow. 98 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:26,640 OK, so back to Henry VIII. 99 00:03:26,640 --> 00:03:29,280 We are still following the same structure, which is great. 100 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:30,960 Well, it has evolved a little. 101 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:31,960 It has evolved. 102 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:32,960 Hopefully so. 103 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,480 You don't get to wipe out your wives. 104 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:38,480 No, there's no beheading allowed. 105 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:40,200 I love it. 106 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:43,680 But you were mentioning to me just before that one of the things that we should note 107 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:48,720 is that there's a difference between an Episcopal and a Congregational model. 108 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:50,680 Would you be able to explain for us? 109 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,200 We're just going right in there what that is, Derek. 110 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:58,840 We're going to dig right down into the governance structure being, I believe, more Episcopal 111 00:03:58,840 --> 00:03:59,840 than Congregational. 112 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:00,840 We are. 113 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:07,160 So a Congregational church is one where the church itself is the unit and it chooses to 114 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,560 join a denomination. 115 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:16,320 So for example, some people might be familiar, Baptist churches who like to duke it out with 116 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:22,480 each other all the time, they can join different Baptist denominations and then go ahead and 117 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,720 join another one. 118 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:26,120 So the church does it. 119 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:27,120 So that's Congregational. 120 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,760 That's Congregational church rules. 121 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:36,020 But in the Anglican church, the Episcopal church, the diocese rules. 122 00:04:36,020 --> 00:04:40,760 So the diocese is the collection of all the Anglicans in a geography. 123 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:46,440 So it's not the bishop, the people of the diocese elect the bishop, but it's the people 124 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:53,580 of the diocese that are the Episcopal structure. 125 00:04:53,580 --> 00:05:00,560 So Trinity is a church within the Anglican Diocese of Toronto. 126 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:01,560 So we didn't join it. 127 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:02,640 We are just in it. 128 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:07,440 We are a community of Anglicans who are in it, who worship at Trinity. 129 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:08,440 That's fantastic. 130 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,140 That's a really good summary of where we're at here. 131 00:05:11,140 --> 00:05:15,980 So I wanted to then talk to you guys a little bit more about what your roles are, your responsibilities 132 00:05:15,980 --> 00:05:20,960 and maybe some of the things that make this governance structure effective here at Trinity. 133 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,600 So forgive me because I do have my notes. 134 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:27,200 But I wanted to just begin by saying that the affairs of the church, the affairs that 135 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:30,500 are governed are divided into two subcategories, I believe. 136 00:05:30,500 --> 00:05:33,560 The first are the pastoral affairs. 137 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:39,840 And that is where our senior pastor makes the decisions under the authority of the bishop. 138 00:05:39,840 --> 00:05:44,680 The second set of the affairs are called the temporal affairs. 139 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:50,560 And that is where the senior pastor, sometimes called the incumbent, as well as the two church 140 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:56,720 wardens work together as a unified body to oversee those affairs. 141 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:00,660 So I mentioned the church wardens and we've got our two church wardens here. 142 00:06:00,660 --> 00:06:06,240 So Jen, specifically as the rector's warden, can you tell us a little bit about your specific 143 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:07,920 role in that body? 144 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:14,160 Well, my role is to work in tandem with the people's warden. 145 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:15,540 So we make decisions together. 146 00:06:15,540 --> 00:06:17,040 We have to agree. 147 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:21,560 We're responsible mainly for the structure of the building inside and out. 148 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:28,000 Also we're stewards of the finances and we are also responsible for making decisions. 149 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:29,000 Amazing. 150 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:30,000 All right. 151 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:31,040 That's very good. 152 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,000 And why are you the rector's warden? 153 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:34,680 What is specific about that? 154 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:38,600 The only specific thing is that I'm appointed by the incumbent, which is Rob. 155 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:39,600 Wonderful. 156 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:40,600 All right. 157 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:41,760 Now, Mandy, you are our people's warden. 158 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:45,560 Can you tell us a little bit about, is there any difference between what you do with Jen 159 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,200 or you can elaborate on that? 160 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:51,760 There's not a whole lot of difference in terms of role or what we do, but how I came to be 161 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:57,000 warden or how one comes to be a people's warden is where the difference is in that it's through 162 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:58,000 elections. 163 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:04,200 So at our last vestry meeting, I was elected and I also get to be the luckiest of the wardens 164 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:07,960 because I get to spend time with the rector's warden and the treasurer. 165 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:08,960 So it's pretty great. 166 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:10,360 So you get the best of both worlds. 167 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:11,360 I do. 168 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:12,360 I'm sitting in the middle here. 169 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:13,360 That's it. 170 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:14,360 You got it. 171 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:15,360 Exactly. 172 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,960 Now, as church wardens, it's my understanding that you also have the ability to appoint 173 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,200 a treasurer, which we have right here. 174 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,440 And you are the appointed treasurer, Derek. 175 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:29,760 Can you tell us a little bit about what you do here to serve Trinity in that role? 176 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:34,480 So the treasurer's really got two big responsibilities. 177 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:39,920 One is just to make sure all the money is secure and cared for and reported on and spent 178 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:44,440 in the way that people expect it to be spent, have asked for it to be spent. 179 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:48,680 So that's the one side, the safety kind of element. 180 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:50,920 And then the other is financial management. 181 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:57,400 So looking forward, forecasting what's going on with our money or what will happen and 182 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:01,220 the budget especially. 183 00:08:01,220 --> 00:08:08,760 And in that side, I just put a little shout out to Natalie because as COO, she's the 184 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:15,920 one who digs into the guts of the budget and we work together to put it together. 185 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:21,640 And then she's the one to make sure we spend it the way the budget says. 186 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:26,280 And I'm just in a supervisory role in that. 187 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,640 Really, there's nothing to my job. 188 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,480 I've seen some of his budgets and I've seen some of that. 189 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:32,860 And there's a lot that goes into that. 190 00:08:32,860 --> 00:08:35,320 So you're probably not giving yourself enough credit. 191 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,080 But thank you, all of you, for the work that you do. 192 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:39,360 But it's not just the three of you. 193 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:44,680 I mentioned the advisory board and there is this group of people who are even more than 194 00:08:44,680 --> 00:08:46,040 the three of you. 195 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:49,600 And I'm wondering if, Church Wardens, you could tell me a little bit more about that 196 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:53,200 advisory board that we have here at Trinity. 197 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:57,880 Maybe Jen, could you just start out by telling us what is the advisory board and sort of 198 00:08:57,880 --> 00:08:59,120 how it works? 199 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,820 So the advisory board is exactly what it says. 200 00:09:01,820 --> 00:09:02,820 It's an advisory board. 201 00:09:02,820 --> 00:09:05,840 So it's not like a board in a corporation. 202 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:11,040 They're there to help guide us and to get involved in some of the decisions that we 203 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:12,220 have to make. 204 00:09:12,220 --> 00:09:18,360 So on our advisory board, we have, of course, Rob, the two wardens, the treasurer, the secretary, 205 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:23,760 COO Natalie, and then we have five other people who are parishioners of the church. 206 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:24,760 Okay, amazing. 207 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:25,960 All right. 208 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:30,320 And would you mind telling me, Mandy, just a little bit about when you meet and maybe 209 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:35,000 the types of affairs or the types of issues that you deal with when you have your meetings? 210 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:39,800 Yeah, so the 11 of us will typically come together once every other month. 211 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:40,800 Okay. 212 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:44,880 In person, we'll meet for a few hours and we will begin every single meeting with a 213 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:48,200 devotional where we talk about matters of the heart and we pray together. 214 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:53,360 I mean, keeping in mind that we are here because of our love and our care for the church and 215 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,680 how we choose to be together as a church family. 216 00:09:56,680 --> 00:09:59,320 So we hold that prime and center as we begin. 217 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:00,320 And that's how we conclude. 218 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,400 We conclude in prayer as well. 219 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:08,680 During the in-between, we spend time thinking about what is happening across the church. 220 00:10:08,680 --> 00:10:11,400 So for example, we will be looking at the operations. 221 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,760 We will be talking about the finances. 222 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:19,240 What are some other potential issues that may come up with regards to occurrences as 223 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:23,880 we plan for summer as something may or may not be going wrong with the actual brick and 224 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:25,400 mortar of our building? 225 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:29,440 Some of these things just kind of tend to pop up and we need to think about how we respond 226 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:34,640 in care and that response in care comes not only to the physical building, but to the 227 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:36,240 people. 228 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:41,160 And so sometimes there are just things that we need to think about as it responds to the 229 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:43,760 greater needs of the church community. 230 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:44,760 Thank you. 231 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:47,240 Now, Jen, you've been on the board for a few years now. 232 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,760 What do you think makes the board successful when you have your meetings? 233 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:54,280 I think it's the diversity that we have. 234 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:59,420 I think it's the fact that we sometimes our conversations are not easy conversations. 235 00:10:59,420 --> 00:11:02,680 Sometimes we challenge each other because you may go in with the idea that something 236 00:11:02,680 --> 00:11:04,220 should be a certain way. 237 00:11:04,220 --> 00:11:07,100 And then when we're in discussion, you might learn that there might be a different way 238 00:11:07,100 --> 00:11:08,100 to look at that. 239 00:11:08,100 --> 00:11:10,100 So I like that we come together that way. 240 00:11:10,100 --> 00:11:12,840 We have a lot of gifted people on our advisory board. 241 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,000 We have a lot of professional people. 242 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:21,160 For example, I'm not exactly really versed on structure of building or finances, but 243 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:25,160 I have learned that as a result of the people that are on our advisory board and through 244 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,320 Derek and some of the other members. 245 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:28,880 But I think it's diversity. 246 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:34,440 I think it's the fact that everybody has a voice, everybody is heard and respected. 247 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:36,040 And I think that's what makes it work. 248 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:37,040 That's great. 249 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,800 I do want to just let everyone know who's watching that if you're interested to know 250 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:45,880 who currently are members of our board here at Trinity, if you go on our tab, it's a meet 251 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:51,400 the team, I believe on trinitiestreetsfield.org, you can see all of the members of Trinity's 252 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,320 advisory board there. 253 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,820 And you can always feel free to approach them as well with some of your comments or questions 254 00:11:56,820 --> 00:12:00,840 or even concerns of the church and they're always happy to bring those to the next meeting 255 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:02,560 as well. 256 00:12:02,560 --> 00:12:07,920 So in something that you wrote to me, Derek, in an email just a week or so ago, you mentioned 257 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:13,360 that the board works best when they approach decisions and specifically from your lens, 258 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,640 financial decisions in three different ways. 259 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:19,320 And I'm just going to quote those and wonder if you could tell us a little bit more about 260 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:20,320 that. 261 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:26,800 That when we meant approach issues as stewards and not owners, you said it's about relationships, 262 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:30,960 not business, and it's about mission, not the bottom line. 263 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:35,720 So how does that factor into the decision making here at Trinity? 264 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:36,720 Well big time. 265 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:43,960 But the reason that's written out actually is it's really important when you have each 266 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:50,360 new advisory board to set common expectations of what the task is. 267 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:55,760 And people come in with different experiences, particularly different board experiences, 268 00:12:55,760 --> 00:13:00,080 where their focus may be different from what we're doing. 269 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:04,800 And certainly what we're doing isn't business, but people go aboard. 270 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:05,800 That's business. 271 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:13,920 That means you have to be very serious and no laughter and you just get down to business 272 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,400 and that's all you have to do. 273 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:20,000 So it would become a B-O-R-E-D meeting and so forth. 274 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,000 So no, no. 275 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:26,000 So first, understand that we're here as stewards. 276 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,000 That's pretty serious. 277 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:32,320 But secondly, we've got to build relationship. 278 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:40,100 We've got to understand each other, get to know each other, become a group where we trust 279 00:13:40,100 --> 00:13:41,880 each other. 280 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:49,600 And while you might think that's automatic, it's easy, normally with an advisory board, 281 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:50,880 but it's not automatic. 282 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:51,880 You need to work that. 283 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:57,640 When we have trust, then we're willing to disagree with each other because we know our 284 00:13:57,640 --> 00:13:59,560 relationships aren't going to be destroyed. 285 00:13:59,560 --> 00:14:03,000 In fact, we're just respecting each other's view. 286 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:10,200 So that relationship and trust part is what makes the whole thing work. 287 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:12,040 That's a really good part to it. 288 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:13,040 And then what was the third? 289 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:18,760 The third one you said was about mission, not the bottom line, which again might be 290 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,480 different from some typical business-based boards. 291 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:22,480 Right. 292 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:26,560 So, and doesn't that sound weird coming from the treasurer? 293 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:36,380 So yeah, we're evaluating how we use our resources, including the money, to accomplish our mission. 294 00:14:36,380 --> 00:14:40,040 So sometimes we will in fact run deficits. 295 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:42,040 Oh my goodness. 296 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:44,840 But then, you know, we've got to make up for it. 297 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:47,320 So it's just, I am the treasurer. 298 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,600 But it isn't just about some kind of bottom line. 299 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:52,960 It's the best use of our resources. 300 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:59,440 And what's wonderful at Trinity is we have so many great ideas for mission. 301 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:01,680 It's just incredible. 302 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:09,000 And then that's difficult because we have to assess which are the best ways to do things 303 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,760 and we can't do it all. 304 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:17,560 But as people increase their giving and as more people are giving, we're getting more 305 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,720 resources and getting to do stuff. 306 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:27,360 And I think most people who are here would be hard pressed to list all the different 307 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,560 things we do and we put our resources into it. 308 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:30,560 It's just amazing. 309 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:31,560 Just amazing. 310 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:33,280 And so that's our mission. 311 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:34,280 I love that. 312 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:35,280 Thank you very much. 313 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,080 Now, we actually just have a few minutes left. 314 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:42,060 And I just wanted to, when I was going through notes again on advisory boards, I'm going 315 00:15:42,060 --> 00:15:45,880 to throw this out and perhaps Derek, you'd be the one to want to answer these questions. 316 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:49,840 Because there's a few Anglican terms that sometimes come up. 317 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:54,040 And I think that sometimes they go over people's heads because they're terms that not everyone's 318 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:55,040 familiar with. 319 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,080 So I'm going to throw out three terms and I'm wondering if you could just define them 320 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:01,080 in everyday language for us. 321 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:03,080 So the first one is synod. 322 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:08,960 There's an S-Y-N-O-D word that is thrown around sometimes in our Anglican church. 323 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:12,000 And I'm wondering if you could explain what that is and how that works, Derek. 324 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:16,760 Yes, and when people first see it, S-Y-N-O-D, they pronounce it synod. 325 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,120 So then you know they're not an Anglican. 326 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:20,120 Okay. 327 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:21,120 All right. 328 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:28,520 And the problem with all these terms is that they're actually, it's not healthy in the 329 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,880 sense that they separate us from other people. 330 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:38,280 So in fact, at our meeting this week, we were talking about how to get rid of some of that 331 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:39,280 stuff. 332 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:41,040 So it's not a barrier. 333 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:45,480 But anyway, synod comes from the Greek and it means assembly. 334 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:55,440 And the synod is just a meeting of the collective Anglicans in our diocese. 335 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:59,480 So we send people to the synod as to do all the other churches. 336 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:01,920 And that's where all the decisions are made. 337 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:10,820 And I mean, in fact, when we want to change our tenant in our building here, we actually 338 00:17:10,820 --> 00:17:15,040 get the approval of a synod meeting. 339 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:17,280 So that's how we work. 340 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:18,280 Love it. 341 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:19,280 All right. 342 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:20,280 And I've got one more word for you. 343 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:23,240 And if anyone else would like to jump in, I don't want to put this just on Derek, but 344 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:24,720 I know he's not going to say no. 345 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:26,480 He's very good at it and he loves it. 346 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:28,400 And this is off the script as well. 347 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:32,280 But the word that is going to be used is the incumbent. 348 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:34,040 Incumbent. 349 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:38,500 I think I'm now just asking questions that are personal to me. 350 00:17:38,500 --> 00:17:43,560 But we sometimes use the word the incumbent and who is the incumbent and what is the incumbent? 351 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:44,920 Okay. 352 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:52,240 So the incumbent is the priest in charge of the particular congregation. 353 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,120 So it's Rob. 354 00:17:54,120 --> 00:17:59,560 The incumbent is appointed by letter by the bishop. 355 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:09,840 So sometimes we'll have a minister here for a year and it's working out and congregation's 356 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:11,400 happy with him, bishop's happy with him. 357 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:15,120 The bishop will say, okay, I will appoint you the incumbent. 358 00:18:15,120 --> 00:18:19,840 And before that, they didn't actually have that same authority and the rights to come 359 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:21,760 with being an incumbent. 360 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:27,360 And no, I won't go into the details of an incumbent's rights. 361 00:18:27,360 --> 00:18:28,360 It does matter. 362 00:18:28,360 --> 00:18:31,400 It does matter in the legal. 363 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:36,000 But as a congregation member, it's Rob. 364 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:37,000 It's Rob. 365 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:38,000 Perfect. 366 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:39,000 All right. 367 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:43,720 And then the last word I want to mention, only because Mandy, you brought it up, your 368 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:47,280 description of being the people's warden was the vestry. 369 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,200 So you mentioned that we have a vestry meeting. 370 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,920 So would someone like to tell us what is a vestry? 371 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:57,660 So it is one of the stupidest words. 372 00:18:57,660 --> 00:19:01,120 This really goes back, all the way back. 373 00:19:01,120 --> 00:19:08,160 But anyway, so the vestry is a room where you put your vestments on and the vestments 374 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:13,280 are the robes and stuff that the priests would wear. 375 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,360 It's not even where the choir puts their stuff on. 376 00:19:15,360 --> 00:19:16,360 They have their own room. 377 00:19:16,360 --> 00:19:18,920 This is the vestry for the ministries. 378 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:25,360 But anyway, in the old churches, the only room that had heat normally was the vestry. 379 00:19:25,360 --> 00:19:27,640 So it was the cozy place. 380 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:32,120 So when they would have meetings, they would all crowd into the vestry because then they 381 00:19:32,120 --> 00:19:34,920 didn't freeze to death. 382 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:39,880 So after a while, they just called a meeting in the vestry, a vestry meeting. 383 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,720 And that word has stuck. 384 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:46,680 So we still call them vestry meetings, even though in our case, we usually have them in 385 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:47,680 church hall. 386 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:49,240 We don't have a vestry here. 387 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,360 No, we have heat all over. 388 00:19:51,360 --> 00:19:59,320 But that's what, so colloquially, the word just means a meeting of our congregation. 389 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:00,320 Excellent. 390 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:01,320 All right. 391 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,520 And we do have those annually here at Trinity. 392 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,160 And there is heat, absolutely. 393 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:07,160 And food. 394 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:08,160 And food, right. 395 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:09,160 All right. 396 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,680 Which I don't know if there would have been in the original vestry. 397 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:13,480 They were just happy for heat. 398 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:14,480 That's right. 399 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:15,480 All right. 400 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,120 Well, I feel like I learned something from the three of you today. 401 00:20:18,120 --> 00:20:22,400 I hope that everyone listening has learned something as well. 402 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:26,320 And again, if you're interested in knowing more about the affairs that are discussed 403 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:31,120 during advisory boards, feel free to chat with someone who is on our advisory board 404 00:20:31,120 --> 00:20:34,000 and you can find that list online. 405 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:35,480 So I'm going to pass it back to the slides. 406 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,520 And thanks, guys, for joining me today. 407 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:38,520 Thanks for having us. 408 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:39,520 Thank you. 409 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:40,520 Thank you. 410 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:48,520 Thank you.