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And I am really excited to have Bill and Martin and JP joining me.

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And we are going to learn all about the men's ministry that is sort of restarting up, I

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think, this year.

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There've been a few little things in the past couple of years, but we're going full force,

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I'm pretty sure, into the next couple of months.

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Is that right?

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It's great to be here, Elizabeth, and represent a new intentional focus of the men's ministry.

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We've been doing beer and banter for the last few years, which is an informal social time

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for guys to get together to chat.

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And we've done the men's retreat for the last couple of years.

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But now we're trying to be a little bit more focused and to reach some more intentional

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goals around bringing men involved in the church and sending them out.

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Alright, so that's Bill.

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Why did you want to get involved in this ministry?

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And I'm going to ask all of you the same question.

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Well, I guess one answer that we all share is that we're all men, men of Trinity, involved

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in the church.

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I think over the years, I have benefited a lot from the church.

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I've grown in my faith.

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I have met with older men in mentoring relationships that have helped not just in my faith, but

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in my career choices, and I think it's a little bit about giving back and creating those kind

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of experiences, opportunities for younger men and for all men of the church.

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That's awesome.

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What about you, Martin?

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I agree with a lot of the things Bill said.

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For me personally, I recall when the men's ministry was more active back in the late

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nineties and early aughts.

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I was unemployed for a while.

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The men's ministry, we had a men's prayer group, we had the breakfasts, we had other

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Lots of time for me to interface with some of the men, and they helped me greatly in

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my discipleship because I had a lot of time, more time for that than I did when I was working,

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and also in helping me in my career choices.

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Thanks for sharing.

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That's great to hear.

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And JP, you're a little bit newer to the church, so why it encourage you to join the men's

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ministry.

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Yeah, for me, prior to coming to Trinity, which was about a year and a half ago, just

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never had the opportunity to be part of a men's ministry.

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Just immersed myself in a lot of different things, starting with the men's retreat last

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spring, which was great.

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My sort of view was just, I was new here, and just dive right in and just made some

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excellent friendships and started building great relationships.

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And then got involved with beer and banter and attending those.

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And then got invited to join one of the men's life group.

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And all these things have just really impacted my life in such a positive way and just made

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such a difference that, yeah, it's important and I want to do what I can just to help grow

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it and so that others can experience the same thing.

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That's exciting.

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And I know there's some fun things planned, but before we get into too many nitty gritty

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details about the men's ministry, it wouldn't be a fun Trinity Talks without a fun Trinity

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Talks game.

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So I'm going to pick my first victim, I mean, volunteer first here.

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And I'm going to actually choose, JP, you were just talking, so maybe what I'm going

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to have you do is just pick up that piece of paper that you have in front of you and

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show the camera and then show it to your viewer.

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I'm not looking at it, right?

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You're not looking at it.

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Is that right, Soda?

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Yeah, so no, so there's the word up, no, flip it.

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There you go.

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Keep, yeah, there you go.

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Show this camera right here.

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All right, you've got a name of a famous man in the Bible.

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Can you guys see that there, Bill and Martin?

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Yep, yeah, we see that.

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All right, now you're going to just give JP a single word and see if he can guess who

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that person is.

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And if he can't get it, then we're going to give him another word.

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All right.

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You first.

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Bullrushes.

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Oh, Bullrushes, yeah.

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That's a good one.

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Baby Moses.

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Moses suffices, well done.

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All right, I wasn't actually sure Bullrushes is a single word or hyphenated word, but we're

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going to give it to you anyway.

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Well done, all right.

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You guys are great.

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All right, Martin, you're next.

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OK, my dad, I move here.

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OK, without looking.

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Now these weren't that challenging.

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Single word.

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Apostle.

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John.

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All right, that's a good guess.

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Go ahead, JP.

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Blinded.

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Temporarily.

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On the road.

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Paul.

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All right, so that's done.

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I think blinded temporarily on the road is all one hyphenated word as well, right?

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I think so.

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Now it's my turn.

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It's your turn.

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No, I should have given you like the third son of.

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Oh, I know.

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I know.

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I should have said Saul.

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This is me.

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This is you.

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Your turn.

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Without using any words in the.

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I think you understand what I'm saying here.

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I'm going to use none of the words on the sign here.

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You ready?

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Can I call a friend?

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You can call Mart.

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Locusts.

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I think it's a good word.

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I can I can actually hear the wheels turning and bills ahead right now.

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Yeah, Locusts.

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I was Aaron.

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It's a good guess, perhaps.

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Abraham.

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Let's get another word out there.

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baptism.

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Oh, John.

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I was trying to say baptism.

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It's New Testament Locusts.

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Not Old Testament Locusts.

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We could have been more clear.

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I Locusts appear in both testaments.

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Isn't that interesting?

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Well done, you guys.

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Those are the famous men of the Bible that I had for you.

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But let's get back into fun.

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Fun fun fun.

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This never ends here.

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But men's ministry, for those of you who are just tuning in, we're talking about men's

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ministry in a few sentences.

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What exactly is men's ministry here at Trinity in particular?

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Well, I guess I'll go first.

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The it's basically want to create an opportunity or create space for the men of the church

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to participate in the available programs, the stuff that's going on, to step up as leaders

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in the church as the opportunities arise or as needed.

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And then to be able to send out, to develop and send out men to volunteer and to serve

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not just in the church, but in the community as a whole.

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So that's kind of the three goals of the men's ministry program.

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I think that's great.

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But I'm going to ask a question that I think might be on some people's minds is why men's

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ministry and not people ministry?

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Why men specifically?

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That's a good question.

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Does anyone want to take a stab at that first?

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Well, men, you know, men have certain gifts that not necessarily everybody else in the

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community has, the other groups in the community.

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I guess there's lots of ways to subdivide.

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But men have unique gifts and some of those gifts can be used or nurtured and used.

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And I think the men's ministry is one way to do that, to capitalize on it.

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So as a church, not just Trinity, but all churches, I think we need to be all things

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to all people.

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And that's part of the development of healthy Christian community.

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But then I think there's also time when you need to get together with a particular subgroup

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and just kind of deal or focus on the needs or the wants of that particular group.

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And so in this case, it's the men open to all men, regardless of race, age or creed.

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We don't care what rock band you like.

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other better and to learn from each other.

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And like I said, to volunteer and help out together.

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So if you're interested out there and maybe getting involved in men's ministry, what do

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you think some of the challenges or obstacles there are?

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Like, what are some of the obstacles that men may face before they take that next step

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in getting into the ministry?

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I think it's usually the common ones are time.

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We're all so busy with life, with work and home life and so forth.

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So just finding the time.

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Which I guess the men's ministry is going to try and address by having events on different

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times, different days of the week.

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midweek so that if the idea being hopefully one of those times works for a particular

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person time.

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know what it's all about, what to expect.

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So yeah, I think those are probably the common ones.

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And maybe just not think or just sort of assuming, well, what am I going to get out of it?

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How am I going to benefit?

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So just not having that assurance, that desire to go.

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And then it's not until.

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So that's why I think our sort of message is to men just, hey, just check us out.

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Come to event, come and see.

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And like I know for me personally, once you start building relationships, which to me

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it's relationships are what it's all about.

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And especially deep, meaningful ones, which is what I think I've experienced here just

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by things I've gotten involved in.

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And there's just something really neat about just opening yourself up and sharing what's

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going on, challenges you're facing in your life and learning from each other and sharing

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and just growing together, praying for each other.

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It's just really, really impactful.

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To build on what JP you said earlier, I think an obstacle for a lot of men is fear and anxiety

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of the unknown.

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And they may not be involved themselves in the church and their wives who do come, want

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them to engage, want them to become involved.

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And they just didn't know what that path forward was.

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And with the announcement of the men's ministry last week and with me as the leader, the coordinator

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of the men's ministry, I've had a couple of women after the service come up to me with

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hope in their eyes that there is now maybe some way that they could get their husband

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to make that first step into community through an informal gathering of men, beer and banter

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or other things that are coming up.

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And that was just nice to see that the women who are faithful attenders of the church and

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just would love to have their husbands come out and become involved now see a way forward

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for that.

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That's great.

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And women's husbands or partners or boyfriends, right?

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Or father, sons.

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Father, son.

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A couple of months ago at beer and banter, I knew a young dad came and he brought his

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father along.

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That's a really good segue into my next question, which is about age.

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And I'm assuming that men's ministry is really open to anyone who is a man.

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So we're not talking about children or maybe even teenagers.

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But for all men, regardless of age, let's say, I don't know, I think there's probably

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a parameter on it.

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But what are the benefits to having intergenerational men interacting with each other?

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The word discipleship came up.

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Martin, you had a story.

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We just talked about father, son.

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So what is the benefit that you've seen with having men of different generations interacting

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together?

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You guys have any?

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Well, we all have things different.

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I say strengths that we can bring.

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And some of those are to do with your stage in life.

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Older people maybe have been through a lot more, have made a lot more mistakes.

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We can learn from those mistakes.

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And we can certainly help the younger generation with them.

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But then what do you mean?

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I thought we were the younger generation.

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No, I misspoke.

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Speak for yourself.

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Right.

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I agree.

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I think just everyone has different life experiences and the perspective that you bring.

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So someone who's 25 years old is going to have a totally different perspective on a

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particular issue or life experience or maybe a workplace issue.

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They're navigating.

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And then someone who's twice their age, for example.

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So it's just neat.

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Despite the age differences and experience differences, I guess what sort of unites us

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together is that we're all brothers in Christ and we all want to encourage each other and

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help each other and grow and learn together.

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And do you see that there's a difference then in men's ministry, say here at Trinity versus

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just joining a community group or a sports team?

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So what are those differences that are key and important to our church-based men's ministry?

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Yeah.

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Well, the camaraderie of a sports team is great.

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It's a lot of fun.

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But I think the focus of the men's ministries goes beyond just having fun together, which

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we do have beer and banter when we get together, certainly.

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But our focus goes beyond that to learning about being a man of faith and also service.

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So, as opposed to just having fun, we have goals beyond that and that's to grow together

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and learn more what it means to be a faithful servant of Jesus at home, at work, and in

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the community.

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And then looking forward to opportunities that we could put out there for men to start

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volunteering in the community or maybe as a group helping out and just being more involved

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that way or giving opportunities for guys to engage in that way.

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Awesome.

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So what exactly does Trinity have in store for the men this year?

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Do there any particular events that are already planned?

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I think you mentioned retreat, you've mentioned beer and banter, breakfast.

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What are the events that we have coming up?

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Well, I can highlight first beer and banter and the retreat and highlight these guys as

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well.

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I'm really happy to say that Martin, who was really helpful last year in putting the retreat

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together, has taken on a greater leadership role of the retreat for this year because

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I'm becoming the coordinator of the men's ministry overall.

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So Martin has agreed to step up with regards to the retreat, which is amazing.

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All right, I'm just going to sorry to interrupt.

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What is the retreat and where is it?

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I was going to get to that, but I just want to say JP has agreed similarly around beer

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and banter to take on a coordinating role with that.

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So that's great.

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But the retreat is the big thing that's coming up, and that's April 5th, 6th and 7th.

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There are still spots available.

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So if there are guys that are interested, I would encourage you to get it.

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But they're going fast.

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They're going fast.

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They are going fast.

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So it's a great time.

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We get together from Friday evening to Sunday afternoon at a retreat center that's about

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two hours north of us here in Mississauga.

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And it's a good time of fellowship, of learning, and then having fun together.

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So there's a guest speaker this year.

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Last year was Rob, did an amazing job.

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This year is Rob and myself.

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So hopefully I don't drag him down too much in the guest speaker department.

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And David Lee is our worship leader this year.

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David did a great job this morning, as always, helping us grow closer to the Lord.

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And we'll be doing that for us at the retreat.

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And then we cook and eat our meals together and clean up altogether.

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And then there's also some fun activities like hikes or going to the local cidery or

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that kind of thing on Saturday afternoon.

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So it's a good combination of fun and learning and prayer and worship and all that kind of

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stuff.

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Wow.

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That sounds great.

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And then JP, do you want to tell us a little bit about Beer and Banter?

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So some people may not know what that is.

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Sure.

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So Beer and Banter is monthly gathering on the...

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It's the first or second Monday of each month, from September to June.

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And just very informal, just the opportunity for guys just to get together and share what's

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going on in your life, your week and common interests.

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And it's neat.

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Well, usually it's about anywhere between maybe eight to 15, 15 guys that come out.

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And that's just neat.

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The conversations get going.

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And we talk about all sorts of stuff.

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It's a great event to bring friends and neighbors and people, men who are not part of the church

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to get that first step into meeting some guys and stuff.

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And if you don't drink beer, can you still go?

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Absolutely.

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And there are people that don't drink beer.

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So that's totally fine.

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Just guys that have tea, coffee, water, soft drink, whatever.

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It's not about the beer.

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It's about the banter.

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We tell people it's beverage of your choice.

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But beverage of your choice and banter doesn't really roll off the tongue as well.

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So we're not going to change the name.

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No, no.

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It's just a neat way for just guys to hang out and just start building relationships.

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And you run into, you just get to know people and get connected with Trinity.

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And it's a great outreach event, too, like in Words Health and Kukalans.

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We've developed a great relationship with them and the staff there.

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And there's other guys that are doing the same thing, guys whatever after work or hockey

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teams.

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They see us.

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You're out in the community.

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Yeah.

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Which really ties into that talk that Kyle had, getting connected in with our community.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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So while we still have a few more minutes here, Bill, what else is in store?

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OK.

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Well, thanks for asking, Elizabeth.

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It's on my list.

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So I've got to get to it.

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And I read your list, so I knew that was coming.

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There's lots.

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Yeah, there's lots.

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Stay tuned to have us back for part two.

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After the retreat and on Good Friday, so the end of March, the, I don't know, sorry, before

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the retreat, because the retreat is the weekend after Easter.

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So on Good Friday, we are starting up or restarting for those guys who have been around a couple

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of decades, the men's breakfast.

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So we'll do a Good Friday men's breakfast.

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And so there's opportunities to come and help, to cook breakfast, to set up, to clean up.

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And then, of course, we'll put it out there for people to sign up for the actual breakfast.

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And so the format for that will be, of course, breakfast, but then we'll also be a facilitated

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discussion or a guest speaker that will come in and talk about a topic of faith or, again,

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some connecting our experience, either family or work with our faith and how does it all

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interact and work out.

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And so the kickoff is on Good Friday, but we will be doing them.

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We're still trying to figure out whether it's monthly or bimonthly, but we'll be doing them

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on Saturday mornings, the last Saturday of the month, either every month or every second

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month going forward after that.

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And then in the future, we're looking at a dads and kids event, so recruiting some younger

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dads and their kids to just go out on fun activities, going for a hike or biking or

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going to a sugaring off event or just all sorts of different things.

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Same idea, though, just creating that space for the young dads to get together and have

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a social time, not just with each other, but with their kids interacting with each other

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as well.

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And encourage one another, I suppose, in that shared experience.

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Yes, of course.

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Yes.

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That's really exciting.

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And so a lot to look forward to.

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So if you're interested in joining the Men's Ministry, and I'm going to talk to the camera

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here now, but if you're interested in finding out more about the events or participating

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or helping out in any way, you can contact or get in touch with Bill directly or contact

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the church info at trinitystreetsville.org and the church will get you in touch with

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Bill or one of the guys on the team and they will let you know everything you need to know

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and get you connected in ways that you want to connect.

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So I just want to say thank you for joining me.

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Well, thank you for having us.

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This is a lot of fun.

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You're welcome.

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We will have to have you back again.

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We'll find out how the breakfast go.

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For sure.

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I know.

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I just have to say, last time I remember there was a breakfast, there was a smoke alarm went

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off.

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So I think we just need to make sure that we don't set any toast on fire.

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I was there and there's one guy who tells a story saying that the fire went off at the

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men's breakfast and a whole bunch of firefighters showed up.

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And I think his comment, this is not mine, but his comment was that it was a missed opportunity.

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It really should have been a women's breakfast to properly appreciate all these handsome firefighters

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that were coming in through the building.

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Missed opportunity.

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I have no comment.

