1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,520 Well, good morning, Ted and Carol. 2 00:00:06,520 --> 00:00:07,520 Good morning. 3 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:08,520 Good morning. 4 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:09,520 Yes, we're still in the morning. 5 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:10,760 Thank you for joining me here. 6 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:14,680 We now have a new name for this studio, by the way, for Trinity Talks. 7 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:19,000 It's Studio T. You may see that we have a sign on our window. 8 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:20,000 We're starting to brand ourselves. 9 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:21,360 So welcome to Studio T. 10 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:22,360 Thank you. 11 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:23,360 This is incredible. 12 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:24,360 Yeah, it's a lot of fun. 13 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:28,160 So you've both been a part of Trinity for a couple years now, right? 14 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:29,160 Quite some time. 15 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:30,160 Ten years. 16 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:31,160 Ten years. 17 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:32,160 Okay. 18 00:00:32,160 --> 00:00:33,160 Actually, I think we may have started around the same time then. 19 00:00:33,160 --> 00:00:34,160 We figured that out this morning. 20 00:00:34,160 --> 00:00:35,160 Oh, yeah. 21 00:00:35,160 --> 00:00:36,160 Better late than never. 22 00:00:36,160 --> 00:00:40,560 So I was wondering if you'd like to take the next half hour with me to talk a little bit 23 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:45,280 about your experience here at Trinity and maybe some of the different ways that you've 24 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:46,280 been involved. 25 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:50,360 I know that you've both been involved in Trinity in several different ways. 26 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,400 And one of those ways is actually in a life group. 27 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:57,440 So maybe we could also talk a little bit about your experience in a life group here. 28 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:58,440 That'd be great. 29 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:02,080 And if we have time, maybe even go through some of the sermon questions that Rob has 30 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,400 put out to talk about the sermon. 31 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:06,360 We'll try our best. 32 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:07,640 We'll get right through those. 33 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:10,080 But first, you've mentioned that you were married. 34 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,160 Could you tell us how long you have been married for? 35 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:14,160 52 years. 36 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:15,160 52 years. 37 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,680 So is that 52 years this year or are you going to be 53 this year? 38 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:20,160 53 in June. 39 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:21,160 All right. 40 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:22,720 So you've spent some time together. 41 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:28,120 So could you tell us maybe a little bit something special about your marriage and maybe something 42 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:32,720 that has been important to you as you've grown together as a couple? 43 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:37,360 I'd say the first thing is that Ted became a Christian when he was 35. 44 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,080 Because of you? 45 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:47,880 Well, and I think that made a difference in the way we grew together. 46 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:54,380 And I think the other thing that I would say is really important is we were friends before 47 00:01:54,380 --> 00:01:56,340 we were lovers. 48 00:01:56,340 --> 00:02:01,680 So our friendship was the basis of our marriage. 49 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:02,680 That's beautiful. 50 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:03,680 It still is. 51 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,400 We're retired now. 52 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:11,640 And I think we've always deferred to each other. 53 00:02:11,640 --> 00:02:20,480 And we have disagreements, but we do not quarrel. 54 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:25,320 And we always give way to the other and never go to bed angry. 55 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,920 So would that be some advice that you would have to give for anyone else out there? 56 00:02:28,920 --> 00:02:31,120 I would recommend that to anyone, yes. 57 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,160 Oh, that's beautiful. 58 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:35,000 Well done and congratulations. 59 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,080 But I've got a few more fun questions to ask about your marriage then. 60 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,840 So you've obviously lived together for quite some time. 61 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:42,960 So I was wondering, you said you never quarrel. 62 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:47,680 I'm going to ask you some questions to see if you agree on these questions. 63 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,280 Who between the two of you would you say is the better cook? 64 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:51,280 Me. 65 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:52,280 Oh, definitely. 66 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:53,480 I second that. 67 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:54,480 That's an easy one. 68 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:55,480 All right. 69 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:59,120 OK, what about better driver? 70 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:00,760 I think I'm the better driver. 71 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:02,720 And if I'm in the car, I drive. 72 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:03,720 OK. 73 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:04,720 All right. 74 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:05,720 And do you agree, Carol? 75 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:06,720 Yes. 76 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:07,720 All right. 77 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:08,720 What about better listener? 78 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:10,320 I think that's me again. 79 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:14,400 Yeah, I think Carol is probably the better listener because I do a lot more talking than 80 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:15,400 she does. 81 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,080 So she better be the better listener. 82 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:19,080 Now last one. 83 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:20,800 Who's the loudest snorer? 84 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,920 Do we snore? 85 00:03:23,920 --> 00:03:24,920 Do we snore? 86 00:03:24,920 --> 00:03:27,320 Yeah, we do snore. 87 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:28,320 Probably me. 88 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:29,320 Yeah. 89 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:30,320 But I don't know, because I never think I snore. 90 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:32,160 So not loud enough to wake anyone up? 91 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:33,160 No. 92 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:34,160 OK, well, then that's great. 93 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:35,160 All right. 94 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,440 So how long have you been at Trinity for? 95 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:38,440 I'm wondering. 96 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:39,440 Ten years now. 97 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:40,760 So we figured it out this morning. 98 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:41,760 Ten years. 99 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:42,760 OK. 100 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:44,000 Were you at another church previously? 101 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:45,000 Oh, yeah. 102 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:46,000 All right. 103 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:50,080 So what brought you to this church? 104 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:55,440 A church fracturing dispute brought us to Trinity. 105 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:57,840 We were, as Ted says, we were refugees. 106 00:03:57,840 --> 00:03:58,840 Oh my God. 107 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:03,240 Yeah, I was in senior leadership at this church. 108 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,400 There was an issue amongst the leadership. 109 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:14,200 I tried for a year to be the go between to reconcile people, and it didn't work. 110 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:19,680 It fractured, ended up in litigation, and we just said we have to leave. 111 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:20,960 So we did. 112 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,360 And so you found Trinity Church. 113 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:29,880 We knew friends at the church and we also knew Mark because we had gone to Israel on 114 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,920 a trip in 2012, which he was one of the leaders. 115 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:34,120 And Mark was the pastor at the time. 116 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:35,480 He was the pastor. 117 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:37,320 And we came just to try this out. 118 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:39,920 It's a long way from where we live. 119 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,760 We walked in and we thought this is the place for us. 120 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:44,760 And you never went back. 121 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:45,760 So that would have been what? 122 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:46,760 2013? 123 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:47,760 2013. 124 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:49,960 So that's the same year that I joined the church. 125 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:54,520 Now here in the life of the church, you have found different ministries to get involved 126 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:56,120 in over the years. 127 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:57,120 I know that. 128 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,080 I've seen you out there volunteering or participating. 129 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,760 Could you each maybe just take a turn telling us as listeners what you have, maybe where 130 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:07,520 you found your calling or where you've even tried to help out in the ministries? 131 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,960 Well, we started off involved in Alpha. 132 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:15,520 We had been involved in Alpha at other churches, so that was a natural for us. 133 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:21,040 From that, we got into a small group, which we now call a life group right away. 134 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:27,600 And that engagement has been a major factor in our lives that we find very rewarding. 135 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:32,560 We've also been involved in, Carol is involved in the prayer ministry. 136 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:37,920 I've done, I do the prayers of the people occasionally in church. 137 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:42,040 And we both were very active in the refugee program. 138 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,080 And I was a treasurer of the refugee group. 139 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:48,480 And from that, I've ended up getting involved with all kinds of other refugee situations 140 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,280 not involved in by the church. 141 00:05:51,280 --> 00:05:53,000 Okay. 142 00:05:53,000 --> 00:06:03,360 So I've been in the kitchen for every, I think every Alpha, but maybe one since I came here, 143 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:07,520 both preparing the meal and then cleaning up afterwards. 144 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,880 And I've done, I'm in the prayer ministry. 145 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,160 I'm a Stephen minister now. 146 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,360 I also serve communion. 147 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,280 So keep busy. 148 00:06:18,280 --> 00:06:22,240 So you keep busy and you've probably met a lot of people in the church through those 149 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:23,240 different events. 150 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:28,920 And also, I forgot to say, I've been involved a little bit in the women's ministry. 151 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:30,480 That's great. 152 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:31,480 That's great. 153 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:33,920 So here at the church, you found yourself quite involved. 154 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:39,240 And I'm wondering if you have any experiences to share with how you've grown in your faith 155 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:43,800 since you've been at this church or maybe just over your Christian lives. 156 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:49,080 I was thinking about this question and I think the thing about Trinity that really resonates 157 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:53,560 with me is this is a church where Jesus is the focus. 158 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:55,840 This is a New Testament church. 159 00:06:55,840 --> 00:06:57,920 It resonates with me. 160 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:03,440 Contemporary music is something that I enjoy and believe strongly in. 161 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:08,640 And I have grown through the sermons. 162 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:12,280 Sermons are very important here at Trinity, particularly Rob's sermons. 163 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,320 I get something out of each one of them. 164 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,880 I learn something new every time I hear one of his sermons. 165 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,040 And we expand on that in the small group. 166 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:27,200 So through that, you know, your faith is like a snowball that grows slowly over time. 167 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:33,600 And you can't identify necessarily how it's growing, but it's growing. 168 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:35,200 You know it's growing. 169 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:43,440 And so I found that to be very rewarding, both the sermons and the life group participation. 170 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:44,440 Excellent. 171 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:48,240 And actually, that's a first of all, I like the snowball analogy. 172 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:52,040 That's a beautiful analogy of how faith can grow slowly over time. 173 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:56,320 But it's also a great segue into my next question, which is about life groups. 174 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:58,440 You mentioned you're in a life group. 175 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:02,040 And I was wondering if you could tell us a little bit about what that looks like. 176 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:05,500 In fact, just for everyone who's listening, we were talking a little bit before this show 177 00:08:05,500 --> 00:08:10,880 started that all the life groups look a little bit different in terms of how they're structured, 178 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:16,240 what they talk about, maybe even what their focus is on, despite all of them having the 179 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:22,040 foundation of LIFE, which is Learning, Insight, Fellowship and Encouragement. 180 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:26,480 So maybe you want to just take some turns telling us as listeners what your life group 181 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,200 looks like. 182 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:33,680 Our life group is quite diverse, and it's grown. 183 00:08:33,680 --> 00:08:37,300 There is a core group of about eight. 184 00:08:37,300 --> 00:08:40,320 But the last meeting we had 14 people. 185 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:41,320 Wow. 186 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:48,760 That's really the outer limit of being able to have an in-depth conversation. 187 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:53,640 Because if you got more than that, nobody, I mean, everyone doesn't get a chance to say 188 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,800 what they actually think. 189 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:02,440 So we don't tackle the questions one by one. 190 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:07,040 We sometimes, the leaders make up their own. 191 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:14,480 And sometimes people just sort of sit and listen while others answer the questions. 192 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:15,480 That's fair. 193 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:16,480 That's fair. 194 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:17,480 We learn through listening. 195 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:22,760 I think, again, as Carol says, our group is quite diverse. 196 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:24,420 We've had many people come and go. 197 00:09:24,420 --> 00:09:33,600 This group was originally started by Tammy Nanku after Alpha about 10 years ago. 198 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:42,520 And I have been tasked with being the leader for many years to organize conversations and 199 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:46,080 try to have some in-depth comments and so on. 200 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:50,760 Bill Scullin has joined our group over the last three years, and he and I now share this. 201 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:55,240 It's not something that I necessarily insist on doing. 202 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:59,840 I'm quite happy to let other people do it, but they seem to be happy to let Bill and 203 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:02,600 I do the heavy lifting in preparing the group. 204 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:06,160 So we take the questions that Rob puts out for us. 205 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:07,520 We use some of them. 206 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,220 Many of them we ignore. 207 00:10:09,220 --> 00:10:14,840 Sometimes we disagree with the way he deals with an issue. 208 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:20,960 And everybody in our group, people are all at different levels of their faith journey. 209 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,840 And we're ethnically diverse, which is a good thing. 210 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,440 And we're diverse in age as well. 211 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,840 I think I'm the oldest person there. 212 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:30,840 Yeah. 213 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:31,840 Carol agrees. 214 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:33,680 Yeah, there you go. 215 00:10:33,680 --> 00:10:36,400 I'm only a year younger. 216 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,760 So that's how it goes. 217 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,680 And so Alan and Kathy Graham host us. 218 00:10:43,680 --> 00:10:47,120 We've been in different homes over the years, but for the last many years they have been 219 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:48,120 the host. 220 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,800 They are such gracious hosts. 221 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:52,320 Everything is informal. 222 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,480 It's friendly. 223 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,360 It's not intimidating for anyone who wishes to join. 224 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,520 Everything is confidential. 225 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:05,780 Whatever you share, we have a wonderful prayer time together at the end where we all share 226 00:11:05,780 --> 00:11:08,000 the issues on our hearts. 227 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:13,720 And I think every time I leave, and I think for most of the people, we feel uplifted and 228 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:20,440 I frequently find I have learned something new and something that the Holy Spirit has 229 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,320 worked on us in the time we've had together. 230 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:25,320 So it's just a wonderful experience. 231 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:29,920 And if you've never done it, you really should get involved with a life group. 232 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:36,360 It is a wonderful supplement to our time together here in the sanctuary on Sundays. 233 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:37,800 That's beautifully said. 234 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:43,480 So as you mentioned, you sometimes work through some of the sermon questions that are put 235 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:44,480 out there. 236 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:48,160 You do look at them critically and discern which would be appropriate for your group 237 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:49,160 to work through. 238 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,000 And sometimes you make up your own. 239 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,440 So I do have a copy of some of the sermon questions that were put out from this somewhat, 240 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,720 I think, challenging sermon that we heard today on the Sabbath. 241 00:11:57,720 --> 00:11:58,720 It was challenging. 242 00:11:58,720 --> 00:11:59,720 It was challenging. 243 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:04,080 But anyway, the sermon series has been called Playing with Fire, where Jesus challenged 244 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:10,600 some of the important symbols or traditions of the day and reframed them in a new way. 245 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,960 And today's focus was on the Sabbath. 246 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:17,920 So Jesus claimed himself to be Lord over the Sabbath. 247 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:21,280 And he actually said the Son of Man is Lord over the Sabbath. 248 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:26,160 And I'm wondering if you want to talk a little bit about, this is the question here, what 249 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:32,360 this statement means in the context of Jesus being the embodiment of Sabbath rest. 250 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:38,600 So out of the sermon, this is the most challenging thing that I took from the sermon. 251 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:45,400 I was anticipating some of the other things that Rob said, but I did not anticipate this 252 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:49,080 take on Jesus being the Lord of the Sabbath. 253 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:53,400 So if I understand his thesis, and I'll have to work on this a bit more because I have 254 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:55,760 to lead this group on Tuesday. 255 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:57,440 No better time than now. 256 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:03,360 So I think what he's trying to say to us is, in Jewish theology, there was the concept 257 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,600 of the Sabbath every seven days. 258 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:09,080 There was a concept of the Sabbath year every seven years. 259 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:13,720 And then there was a concept of the Jubilee year after every 49 years. 260 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:19,880 And that was all looking forward to an end of time idea. 261 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:24,040 And Jesus says, the time is nigh, the time is here. 262 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:27,900 I have fulfilled this aspiration. 263 00:13:27,900 --> 00:13:34,080 So because Jesus is saying this about himself, he is saying he is Lord of the Sabbath, the 264 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:41,080 Sabbath being a yearning for a time in which there will be a reconciliation, there will 265 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:45,040 be a revelation, and everything will come together. 266 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:49,280 And so Jesus is saying, it's happening now with me. 267 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:54,360 I wonder if it was also a Jubilee year that year. 268 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:55,360 Yes. 269 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:56,360 Or a Sabbath year. 270 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:57,360 Yes. 271 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:02,180 I mean, these large crowds of people are following Jesus around, so they weren't working. 272 00:14:02,180 --> 00:14:03,640 So maybe it was a Sabbath year. 273 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:05,400 That would actually be something great to look into. 274 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:06,520 Yeah, who knows? 275 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:12,160 Look into when that next Jubilee year was happening or if it was happening at that point. 276 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,320 That's a great question, Carol. 277 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:19,320 Now I would like to just discuss the shift of the Sabbath being just about the cessation 278 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:20,320 of work. 279 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:26,440 And we know Jesus did some work on the Sabbath to being more about the resurrection of life. 280 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:32,320 So how does this perspective influence our understanding of the purpose of rest and the 281 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:36,480 connection to acts of justice and compassion and generosity? 282 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,440 So that's a big question. 283 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:42,040 That's yours. 284 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:51,480 I think everyone's body needs rest, physical rest. 285 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:57,160 So a Sabbath day is a good idea. 286 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:04,320 I think what Jesus was saying perhaps is, as Rob said, we can have rest in Jesus every 287 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:06,400 day. 288 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:15,800 And we need to be doing good whenever we can, whether it's on a Sabbath or a regular day. 289 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:23,000 And as retired people, perhaps we have a better chance to do that because we don't have to 290 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,840 go to work. 291 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:31,200 But it's important. 292 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:32,600 This was a new idea to me. 293 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:37,640 I hadn't thought of it as being resurrection life. 294 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:46,600 I think it's going to require mindfulness to sort of look for ways to do good and to 295 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:48,960 rest simultaneously. 296 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,000 It is a challenge. 297 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:52,000 Yeah. 298 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:56,960 So I have, you may notice in my prayers, when I have the chance to do prayers of the people 299 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:06,200 in church, I often emphasize, because I think of this myself, that each of us has kingdom 300 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:07,720 work to do. 301 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:12,680 And we may not recognize it as kingdom work in our lives as we go about our daily lives, 302 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:18,200 whether we're working to earn money or whether we're retired. 303 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,600 But kingdom work is there. 304 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,440 And it can be giving encouragement to someone. 305 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:28,720 It can be helping somebody in some way that needs to be done. 306 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:30,880 It can be sharing your faith with somebody. 307 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:32,360 It can be all kinds of things. 308 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:35,440 And people, or maybe it's just showing up. 309 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,560 We all do these things. 310 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:44,160 And to feel that this is what you're being called to do by the Holy Spirit and being 311 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:49,460 aware of those things at the time is something that we all need to work on. 312 00:16:49,460 --> 00:16:57,400 And so Jesus' major thing with the healing on the Sabbath is that it is lawful, it is 313 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:05,760 appropriate to do acts of mercy on the Sabbath, which is what He was doing. 314 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:11,080 If you take Sabbath time, you have the opportunity to get rid of all the chattering monkeys in 315 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:13,760 your head and all the stuff that comes at us. 316 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:18,480 We have such a toxic life that we live with all of these things happening to us. 317 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:23,600 If you are still, then you will hear God's word coming to you. 318 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:30,040 You will get an inkling to do something that is kingdom work. 319 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:35,400 Well kingdom work, it's doing good in some way for other people. 320 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:39,980 And each of us does these things without realizing what we're doing. 321 00:17:39,980 --> 00:17:47,640 But you must be in tune with the Holy Spirit in order to respond to these things. 322 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:55,280 These come to you to do an act of mercy, calling a person who is suffering, helping somebody 323 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:58,560 with anything that is troubling them in their lives. 324 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:03,240 All of these things, our kingdom work matters. 325 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:12,600 And if we are totally wrapped up in ourselves, our cell phones, our texting, our messages, 326 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:19,600 our TV, or whatever the distractions are in our lives, it's hard to do this. 327 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:21,360 We live very complex lives. 328 00:18:21,360 --> 00:18:28,720 If we were living simple lives in a small African village with very basic things to 329 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:32,840 do, we would be more open to spiritual calling. 330 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:37,280 And so this is what I see as being Sabbath in our day-to-day life. 331 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:43,720 And Rob talked about Sabbath not necessarily being a day, but a time and the use of your 332 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:44,720 time. 333 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:48,160 And that resonated with me. 334 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:49,160 That's great. 335 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:50,160 That's great. 336 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,880 And actually something that I think we can just as we go forward in the week, really 337 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:53,880 think about. 338 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,200 And it does take some intentionality. 339 00:18:56,200 --> 00:19:02,560 And it takes some prayerful meditation even, just to really discern those moments. 340 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:03,560 That's right. 341 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:04,560 Yeah, it does. 342 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:09,480 And if anyone missed the sermon, it's a great one to go back to as well. 343 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:14,520 If you are interested in looking at the sermon questions, you can find them online. 344 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:18,920 I don't really have any more questions for you today about that, but I would love to 345 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:22,800 be a fly on the wall in your life group one time and just listen to the conversations 346 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:27,400 that you're having, because I'm sure they're even more in-depth than this. 347 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:31,000 But I would love to just get the insight. 348 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:34,520 And that's one of the great things I have about this job is getting insight from people 349 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,120 like yourselves as we go through these questions together. 350 00:19:37,120 --> 00:19:38,120 Thank you. 351 00:19:38,120 --> 00:19:43,600 I think of Rob's sermon series, the toughest ones for me were the first one about the land 352 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:48,520 and then this one about Sabbath. 353 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:54,640 His interpretation of the Sabbath issue is a really insightful one that we need to spend 354 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:55,800 some time thinking about. 355 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:56,800 Thank you. 356 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:57,800 Yeah, that's right. 357 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:02,600 And to recap, we talked about the land, we talked about the law. 358 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:04,640 Do you remember what the third one was? 359 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:06,960 It was that family. 360 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:07,960 That was family. 361 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:08,960 Yes, it was family. 362 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:09,960 That was a tough one as well. 363 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,800 I actually asked you because I was trying to remember myself. 364 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:14,280 It was family. 365 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,880 And then last week it was the temple. 366 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:17,880 That's right. 367 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,760 And that one was relatively easy to grasp. 368 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:27,720 And then today, Sabbath, I thought it was easy to grasp, but Rob has given us some interesting 369 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:37,080 thoughts, which I had no idea would be the basis of Jesus saying that he is the Lord 370 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:38,080 of the Sabbath. 371 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,960 So we'll work on this and we'll have an interesting discussion next Tuesday. 372 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:42,960 That's great. 373 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,880 Well, I just want to take the moment now to thank you for joining me and taking the time 374 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:51,600 out of your coffee hour to come and sit with me here at Trinity Talks. 375 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:58,280 And maybe I'll have you again on Sometime Again.