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Thanks for having me.

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Can you believe that we just finished our sermon series on Joseph?

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Honestly, the time went by so fast because it was so engaging.

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And when things are that engaging, time tends to run really fast.

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I really had a good time with that series.

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Did you? Did you like the t-shirts?

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Oh, yes, I did.

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I think we're going to have to keep wearing these t-shirts even after the Live in the Dreams series.

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I have a feeling that's going to happen. I love the t-shirt.

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So we are going to be joined with Rob in just a few minutes.

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And I'd love to do a sermon series wrap up where we sort of look back over the last couple of weeks.

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Okay.

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How does that sound?

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Sounds great.

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Yeah. And then after this sermon series, we're actually going to be moving into the season of Advent.

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So true.

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I also can't believe.

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So true. Great.

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I'm thinking of the coming of the Advent season, what it means for us as Christians.

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And it's really difficult that we've come this far.

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And we're just so thankful to God.

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Well, here we have Rob.

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So welcome, Rob.

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And welcome, Eric Han, to our sermon series wrap up.

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I'm very happy to be here.

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Yeah. How's everyone today?

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Oh, it's another day.

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Well, we're live in the dream.

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I think we're going to have to keep saying this even after today.

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What do you guys think?

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Yeah, I was wondering about these t-shirts.

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Are we just going to see a whole bunch of these t-shirts in all the local thrift stores

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for the next few weeks?

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Or are we going to hold on to them and keep wearing them?

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Yeah.

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I hope we keep wearing them.

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I will be wearing mine for sure.

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Mine's not going to the thrift store.

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Well, so as we said, we just finished our sermon series on Joseph over the last five weeks,

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where we really did walk through the entire life of Joseph.

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And we sort of saw how God's dream for Joseph's life,

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really his purpose for Joseph's life, carried out and was fulfilled throughout his life.

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And I think what we saw was also that God's dream for the entire world was carried out as well.

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So Rob, you came up with a sermon series idea.

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Well, yeah.

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I mean, it was a conversation that actually you were part of too.

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We knew there was this big change happening in the life of our church.

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And we kind of latched onto this idea of a dream, maybe what was God's dream for our church?

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What was God's dream for Trinity streets, Phil?

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And then just, I think, as we thought through that, we had a few different ideas,

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but we landed on this idea of living the dream when we especially thought of Joseph's life.

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And we thought, you know, what better way for our church to enter into this new vision God has given us

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than by to look at this story of this young man who was given this incredible vision of a future

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that didn't quite seem possible.

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But anyways, so yes, using the Joseph story has allowed us to kind of help unpack and celebrate

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the story God is working out here at Trinity.

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I think that's exciting.

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Well, I mean, the story of Joseph itself is a pretty incredible standalone story, right?

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It's like there's a lot of ups and there's downs.

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There's a lot of emotions that go on throughout the story.

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There's twists and there's turns.

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I mean, it's no wonder that they turned it into a Broadway musical.

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Which, did you know that we are showing the movie after our 1115 service?

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Yeah, we heard that announcement.

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And we saw the multicoloured coat.

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And we did!

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All right, I'm going to have to go back and watch that.

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I think I missed something.

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But another thing that we've been doing here at church is on Wednesday nights,

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some people have been diving even deeper into the story of Joseph.

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And we've been walking through an online Bible study on Zoom.

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And Erikan, you are actually one of the leaders in that session.

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So how are you finding that?

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It's just amazing.

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We're getting so blessed and just having the time to come together as a church community

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to just go over the messages, the sermons that we're hearing and apply them,

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not just as they were applied to Joseph's lives, but to our own lives,

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to our own daily experiences and see the parallels and learn from Joseph.

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And it's been great.

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I don't know if you remember, but in the very first session of that online study,

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the presenter, his name's Andrew, he likened the story and made the analogy of the story

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of Joseph to that of a Russian doll.

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Have you seen these before?

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And he talks about how there are layers within the story.

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So as we unpack the story of Joseph, just like this doll,

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if we open up the story and dive a little bit deeper, we see the story.

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We can actually find the story of Jesus within that.

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And he says that, I'm just going to do this little visual for you.

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I'm sure most of you have seen a Russian doll before,

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but even if we unpack it further and we look at the story of Jesus within Joseph,

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we can find ourselves.

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We are of Christ, so we can find ourselves within that story as well.

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So I'm just going to leave my little display here.

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But I was thinking it might be kind of fun as we sort of reflect back on these last five weeks

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to dive a little bit back into those different sermons that we talked about

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and that Rob, that you really walked us through.

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And if we could look a little bit beyond the story of Joseph,

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which I know we did in our services, but maybe we could go a little bit deeper

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and look to see where Jesus is within these stories as well.

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What do you guys think?

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Yeah, I think that's a really important way that we can all read the Bible every day,

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is to ask the question, where is Jesus in this passage,

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whether it's Old Testament or New Testament or whatever.

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It's one of the ways I think the Spirit inspires the words pointing us toward Jesus all the time.

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Yeah, I agree with Rob completely, not just because he's the pastor.

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Always a good idea.

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Always a good idea.

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No, no, no.

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But Rob is so correct in saying we always want to see where is God in all this experience?

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So where is God in all of this?

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And how does what we're hearing apply to us?

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So that first sermon that we talked about was, I believe it was called Disruptive Dreams.

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And Joseph's dreams really did shake up his life.

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They seemed incredible.

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They seemed preposterous.

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They seemed impossible.

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And they even shook up the lives of the people around him.

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So I'm wondering how we could maybe see this truth play out.

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Do we see this in Jesus' life at all?

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Yeah, Erica and I were talking about this a couple days ago.

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And actually, I think it's really true that you could say that Jesus himself had a very unpopular

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message that in the same way that Joseph's brothers were offended and scandalized by

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this vision that Joseph told them about Jesus too, when he began to preach about the kingdom

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of God or that the first shall be last and the last shall be first or all of it.

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Like this was not a popular message, right?

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I mean, he did gather a following to himself.

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Many of those were, I think, the poor and those who were on the margins

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because they found hope in that message.

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they found Jesus' message very troublesome and worrisome.

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And ultimately, it was because of that that it led to his own persecution like Joseph.

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I mean, you want to add to that?

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That's what you...

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Everything about what Jesus did was disruptive.

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but to actually fulfill it.

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but I'm not breaking down what we stand for.

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I am fulfilling it.

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So there was a lot of disruption going on there.

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the son of God, it reminded me of, you know, where Joseph's brothers are like,

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oh, we're going to bow down to you.

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What, we're going to bow down to you or is your father and mother,

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we're going to bow down to you, Joseph?

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Like the idea that Joseph would have an authority greater than them was incredibly challenging.

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And Jesus, too, comes along to the religious establishment

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and claims to have an authority that is greater than theirs.

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And yeah, they can't believe it.

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They can't believe it either.

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if you read Mark's gospel, there's this motif that is going on throughout

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where Jesus is constantly telling people, you know, don't tell people who I am.

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So, oh, there's a miracle.

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Don't tell anybody about it.

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Or there's this wondrous thing Jesus says, don't tell anybody.

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And why does Jesus not want, you know, Joseph couldn't help.

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Joseph just started telling, telling, telling people.

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as soon as I start telling people about this, it is going to be very disruptive

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and ultimately lead me to the cross.

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So just let's keep it a secret for as long as we can.

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Anyway, so yeah, there's a lot of commonalities there for sure.

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Wow, those are actually some ideas that I had never even thought of.

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I love that.

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And then you mentioned that if the news gets out,

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there's going to be some pain in Jesus's life, which we see in Joseph's life.

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We see that his dream actually becomes a bit of a nightmare,

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like we talked about in our second sermon,

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where Joseph was thrown into the pit and he was sold to slavery

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and things just looked so bad for him.

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But then Rob, you brought up the idea of divine providence.

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So where, where does this fit in?

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How, how can we fit this into Jesus's story?

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And I think, I think some of us might have some ideas,

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but where do we see this really relate in parallel with Joseph?

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is the picture of Jesus in the garden of Gethsemane,

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where he's praying and he has a certain wish,

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I guess you could say for how his life will go.

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He says, you know, father, if there's any way that I can avoid this suffering,

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if I can avoid this pain, you know, take this cup from me.

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And yet then in the next breath, Jesus says, but not my will be done,

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but your will be done.

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So that is a theme.

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I mean, I think Jesus in that moment was aware that there's his own vision for his life

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and his own kind of ideas for where he wants to go.

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But, but God also is working out something.

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to God's providential plan there.

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But go ahead, Erica.

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I mean, no, absolutely.

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I see a lot of in terms of just providence and God's provision,

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it's God making sure he places Joseph in a position where he's able to provide for others.

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And he's also making sure he is right in all the way in the story of Joseph.

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And it's kind of the same with Jesus.

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Jesus is coming as provision to us to bring reconciliation,

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to meet us where we are and do a lot of things, show us how to leave the faith.

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And that's provision in a lot of ways.

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And so there's that theme of God always being aware of our human needs,

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our humanity, and being able to meet us right where we are,

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both in the story of Joseph as an example,

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and in the story of Jesus and what we learned from both.

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And isn't it true that there was like in Jesus life,

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there was a sense that he came along at the appointed time,

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at the, when the time was right, the Kairos moment, the,

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the even he announced, he says the time has fulfilled, right?

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The kingdom of God has come.

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There was a moment this, the world had been building toward a moment

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and what was about to happen, events had been set in place

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that we're now going to transpire.

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And so the same way Joseph came along for this moment,

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for this particular time.

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Yeah. Do you think that we can find ourselves in that as well?

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That we are here at this moment, at this time and place?

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Absolutely. So true.

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There's in all things, God works together, you know,

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he pulls all things to make sure they work together for our good.

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That means there is a pre-knowledge of what is good for us.

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And so he's aware of who we are, where we are,

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and how it's all going to help his threading it.

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That's a great analogy.

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That's nice.

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And when the third sermon, I'm just going to move us along to the third sermon,

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Joseph finds himself facing some challenges

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and he finds himself in the face of temptation when he's in Potiphar's house.

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And I know that Jesus himself, we know faces temptation as well.

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And the situations are different.

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The two different temptations are different.

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But I'm wondering what the similarities are there.

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Like, where do we see Jesus sort of in that story of Joseph?

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Go ahead, Erica.

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Oh, well, that is we see Jesus.

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Okay. First of all, I see that Joseph was a child loved by his father,

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very much the same as Jesus was loved by his father.

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Joseph submitted to the will of his father to go take food to his brothers,

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whom he knew did not really like him.

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Same way as Jesus submitted himself to the will of God to come rescue us.

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And even at Gethsemane, he was he wanted he when the humanity was there,

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he still submitted his will to God by saying, but your will,

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if you would take this away, but your will, not my will.

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And Joseph ended up being a provider in a lot of ways for his family.

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And Jesus has in a lot of ways brought us into a place where provision is full for us.

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And so in those areas, I see some a lot of similarities.

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Yeah. And as he's on that trajectory, he does come across these these two temptations

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that we spoke about.

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One was the temptation to power where Joseph rises to the ranks and is given insane amounts

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of power at a very young age.

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And then as well, the temptation to pleasure this sexual temptation that he

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went through with part of our wife.

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So and I think that when we spoke, we also said, you know, of course,

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Jesus surely was tempted with these same two temptations as he moved through his life.

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Everyone's familiar with the story of the temptation and the wilderness where Jesus is.

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There's I think three specific temptations that Jesus.

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But one of them definitely is the temptation to take power for himself.

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I think the evil one says to Jesus, hey, says, I can I have an authority and I can give power to anyone.

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I choose, you know, if you'll just be a little bit more

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bow down and worship me, I'll give you everything or or the other temptation was

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throw yourself down off of this precipice and let your angels, let these angels come and save you.

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It's a strange thing.

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What's what's he getting at?

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But what he's it's it's the temptation to spectacle.

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It's the temptation to to flex your power, show your power to the world and do it in a way that's

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actually not really helping anyone other than just aggrandizing your own status.

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So Jesus, he, you know, most certainly was tempted in similar ways that Joseph was.

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Yeah, so true.

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And and and and scripture actually says that that he was tempted in ways that are similar to us.

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And yet in all of that, he did not sin.

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So that he went through a lot of suffering and Joseph did as well.

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And yet they both stand out as examples for us to follow.

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And if you if you want to build on the story of the temptation in the wilderness for Jesus,

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the third temptation was in some ways a temptation to pleasure.

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Because here, Jesus, the one temptation was just make bread for yourself, you know,

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make some food and have a feast, you know, fill your stomach, you know,

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you're you're tired, you're hungry, you know, scratch that itch.

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Just just do it.

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And maybe we can draw a parallel between that and Joseph's temptation to hey, Joseph, right.

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Here's Potiphar's wife.

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She's beautiful.

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Scratch that itch.

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You know, do that thing that feels good.

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Fill that need in your life.

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You've earned it kind of a thing.

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So yeah.

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So and I mean, good grief, of course, Jesus on the cross,

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enduring great suffering, as you said, could he have just pulled himself down?

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Surely, you know, it was within his power, I suppose, to step down from that cross to

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give up that suffering and take pleasure instead.

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But he chose not to.

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Right.

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So yeah, there's there's some good connections there for sure.

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Yeah, thanks, guys.

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Now, the last one I want to talk about is last week's sermon, actually, which was I think you

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called a dream job.

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And we talked about Joseph's job that he had eventually with Pharaoh, which I suppose back

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in the day would have been a pretty big job, pretty powerful and for all intents and purposes

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could have been considered by human standards a dream job.

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But Rob, you brought up the idea that really anyone can have a dream job and that God has

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a dream job for everyone.

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And you mentioned the idea of being a minister.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, so does God have a dream job for everyone?

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Yes, I guess.

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So long as we understand what a dream job is.

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But we're not talking about everything that fulfills all your dreams.

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But what I said, if it somehow furthers God's dream.

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So, yes, you know what?

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I was thinking about this after we talked, but Jesus, Jesus, in some ways, treats his

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own disciples with an authority and gives them authority and makes them ministers of

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his kingdom.

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He sends them out.

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He says, go preach, go teach, go heal, go do all these things.

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I give you the authority.

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I give you the power.

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In other ways, he's saying you are my ministers, right?

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You are going to be my agents out there in the world.

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And some people would say, man, Jesus gave them that authority really early on, right?

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Really early on before they had really proved themselves or shown that they had, you know,

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all the skills and abilities or they learned all the lessons.

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No, at a very early stage, Jesus commissions them and sends them out as ministers in his

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kingdom, even though they don't have great qualifications to go with it.

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Yes, that's so true, Rob.

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I see what you're saying in terms of delegating authority earlier on.

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And isn't that exactly what Jesus, what the dream was about?

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Isn't that what Joseph realized that early on, even before, you know, he saw it as a

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dream, but it was still an acknowledgement that you're going to be somebody down the

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line.

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17 years old, right?

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For really.

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And so that and then even though he went through so much, he still got to that point

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pretty early.

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By the time he got sold as a slave, he was already a slave within the space of authority.

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He was already engaging, you know, in a sphere of authority.

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And he was entrusted with everything other than Potiphar's wife.

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And that's a lot of authority.

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So in terms of ministering, I would feel his service and his being a minister started

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pretty early in his life.

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And if you understand ministry as a service, as you just said, there is this interesting

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connection between Joseph and Jesus where what was Joseph's ministry?

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Joseph's ministry was to provide bread for all these hungry, hungry people in the world.

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And what that was his ministry, what was Jesus' ministry?

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His ministry was to be the bread of life, right?

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So to offer himself to a world that is, you know, hungry and empty.

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And, you know, Jesus says, only my bread will truly satisfy you.

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And so there is this, they both ministered in a similar way, one offering physical bread,

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and the other offering a spiritual bread.

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And a bit more of a fulfillment of everything.

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Yeah.

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Well, I just want to say thank you for wrapping up this sermon series with us.

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It's a great way to conclude the Live in the Dream series.

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It's also a great way to transition into a new sermon series, which I know is called

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the Advent Conspiracy.

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And we're going to be starting that next week, which I'm very excited for.

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So thank you, Rob.

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And thank you, Ericann.

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Thank you so much.

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All right.

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And our 1115 service is starting soon.

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Great.

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Thank you.

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Bye.

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Thanks.