1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:09,600 Welcome. Thank you. Yeah, that's exciting. So you are, are you all part of a life group? 2 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:14,800 Yes. Yes. You are not the same one. Not the same one. Heidi and I are in the same one. 3 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:27,200 Okay. I'm in a men's life. Okay. So Bill meets Thursday mornings. What about you guys? Every 4 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:31,040 other Tuesday night. Yes. Great. So I'm just going to let everyone know if they're not familiar with 5 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:35,600 what a life group is, what a life group is. So some groups call them small group or some churches 6 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:40,720 call them small groups. But here at Trinity, we have life groups and they stand for learning. 7 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:45,120 Does anyone know what the I stands for? Innovation. Innovation. What else am I saying for? Imagination. 8 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:55,520 What does I stand for? I don't know. I just go. What about the F? Fellowship. Fellowship. And? E. 9 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:59,920 Evangelism. It's not evangelism actually. So this is more of an internal thing. 10 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:08,960 My name is Elizabeth. I could just stand for Elizabeth. Encouragement. I'll remember that 11 00:01:08,960 --> 00:01:13,760 for next time. I love that word encouragement. It is. And we see that in our small groups. And 12 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:18,080 actually that's how the early church began was people met in larger groups, but they also met 13 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:22,400 in the small groups. And that's how people developed in their faith. And we still see that 14 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:27,520 as effective today, don't we guys? All right. So we were talking about Joseph. We've been doing 15 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:31,920 that for a while now and today was about his dream job. And I actually love that Rob talked 16 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:39,120 about it not being necessarily his dream job, but God's dream for him through his work. But we have 17 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:43,920 to talk about our dream jobs, especially when we were kids here. So we all had one, I'm sure. 18 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:50,320 We all had a dream job that we wanted to do. We want to be when we grew up. Let's hear it guys. 19 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:55,760 What was something that you wanted to do when you were little? You go Jen. Actually, I wanted to be 20 00:01:55,760 --> 00:02:07,520 a psychologist. I did. Why? Because I just, the idea of a young one, but I just liked the idea of 21 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:12,400 helping people. And I used to read all of these different self-help books and I was just curious. 22 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:16,800 Yeah. You're interested. Yeah. I was just interested. So yeah, that was my dream job. 23 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:25,280 You dreamed about a psychologist. I wanted to be a ballerina. Me too. Yes. The body was not the 24 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:31,600 right kind. I didn't even take dance lessons. So I just- No, I did. Did you? Yeah. But I don't think 25 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:36,400 I had the hip turnout and stuff. No. Did you stand on your toes? I did. I did point work. Yeah. 26 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:42,720 See, that's so normal. Ballerina, psychologist ballerina. I don't know. Maybe I need help. I 27 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:48,160 don't know. And what would you build? Well, I think I'm supposed to answer a police officer or 28 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,400 astronaut, but I think I really wanted to be either a nurse or a therapist. 29 00:02:53,440 --> 00:03:01,200 Oh, you're hilarious. You're so funny. Then I have to ask, in the service today, so Rob likes to do 30 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:05,600 little polls sometimes, which one did you answer? There were eight different jobs that he polled us 31 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:12,640 on. I believe there was pilot, there was video game developer. Do you remember that? As he was 32 00:03:12,640 --> 00:03:16,960 during the service, which one did you vote on? Actually, Elliot voted for me because I said none 33 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:23,680 of them. And he said, what about musician? And I said, well, no, because I didn't like the idea of 34 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:29,600 gigging at night. Just assuming. No. I guess as a musician, you could freelance. You can probably 35 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:33,600 do the daytime. So, okay, if you put it that way, the musician, because any of the other ones really 36 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:40,960 appeal to me. So, sorry, Rob, not even Anglin Priest. Sorry. Not everyone's calling. What about 37 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:48,400 you? I don't remember the eight. I don't have the list in front of me. I was banking on Heidi having 38 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:53,920 a somewhat decent short-term memory here. No, I think I may have been thinking about something 39 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:59,840 else during that eight. Which sometimes I do. I go off on rabbit trails. Right. All right. Sorry 40 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:04,080 to throw that out there. She's going to rewatch the sermon. She's going to get back to us next 41 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:09,200 week. It was on the 1115 to Heidi. That's true. Yeah. I'm sorry. What about you, Bill? Which one 42 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:16,720 did you vote on? There was a couple that interest me. A musician appeals to me. But Anglican minister 43 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:23,440 was something that was considered for myself early on. Yeah. Can I say that would be interesting? 44 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:28,880 If you were an Anglican minister, that would be interesting. If he were an Anglican minister. 45 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:35,200 Yes. That would be really interesting. There's always time. Go for it. You got time. 46 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:42,320 There's a little part of me that still would like to be a deacon. There's some hoops to jump through 47 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:51,680 create some difficulties. Ministry or ordained ministry was something early on that was 48 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:58,640 considered for me and that I thought about. Then I realized that everything that I wanted to do in 49 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:02,880 ministry, Christian ministry, I could do without being ordained. That is a fantastic segue, 50 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:08,640 I think, into our conversation here today. That you don't have to be ordained to do God's work. 51 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:16,320 We see in Genesis, we were just reading, that Joseph's title could best be described as minister. 52 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:22,080 Why don't we as a group come up with maybe a definition for what a minister is? What do you 53 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:30,080 think a minister is? What do they do? What are some words maybe that jump out? Servanthood. 54 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:38,480 Serving the people that you're leading at the same time. Using the gifts that you have to serve. 55 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:44,800 Definitely a pastoral component to being a minister, caring for other people. 56 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:49,120 One thing I just throw out there is just meeting other people's needs. 57 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,880 In some ways, do you think that our society would find it hard to consider 58 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:59,120 everyone being able to be a minister? Or do you think that that is something that 59 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:09,360 everyone would be able to do? I think it would be difficult because of the definition of what 60 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:15,040 people think a minister is. Because even for me, in today's sermon, that was new to me. That was 61 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:20,400 really new to me because growing up a minister was like rock, like a priest. With a title. 62 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:26,480 Yeah. But when you think about the word ministering, it makes sense that you minister. But for 63 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:32,240 the society out there, the secular society, they wouldn't understand. They wouldn't understand that. 64 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:39,120 They would put a religious attachment to it, I think. Yeah, I agree with that. I would add that, 65 00:06:39,840 --> 00:06:47,920 I think given the larger definition, I think we all can be, or we all should be, ministers if we 66 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:52,320 can meet people where they're at and be a positive Christian presence in their lives. 67 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:58,960 So in what ways is your current calling, whether it be in your family life or in your job, 68 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:04,560 a minister? In which ways do you see yourself as a minister? And if you haven't thought that before 69 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:12,320 yet either, I guess that's okay too. We can kind of unpack that today. I don't know. As a parent, 70 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:20,400 I feel like I'm a minister. Within the parameters of every relationship, you can consider yourself 71 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:26,560 a minister. Professionally, I'm a psychotherapist, so I look at that as a calling and a ministry role. 72 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:34,400 I am a minister to the people that are my clients. But even from moment to moment, 73 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:40,880 right? You're having a conversation with a person that you've just met. You can minister to them. 74 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:48,160 You can listen to what their needs are. You can be an attentive, caring, compassionate person. 75 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:52,160 Yeah, that's so true. And I think you just described pretty much what I do in my job, 76 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:56,880 even though I'm a career consultant. And what I do is when people lose their position, their job, 77 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:02,480 I support them and tell them how we're going to help them move forward. And there's an opportunity 78 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:08,720 to do that, to support them. In some cases, I get really lucky and find out that the person's a 79 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:12,960 Christian. And that's usually God driven. And so then I have the opportunity to remind them 80 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:17,920 of who they are and who they belong to and the fact that this is just another step in a direction 81 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:22,640 that God wants them to go. And it's really rewarding to be able to do that. But yeah, 82 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:27,040 I think that in the role that I'm in, I have that opportunity. That's what Heidi described. I have 83 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:32,640 that opportunity to do that, which is a blessing, really. Right. Yeah. I think we get stuck in 84 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:37,600 thinking that minister is like, oops, I'm not used to this technology. We get used to thinking 85 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:43,520 of it as being this big, huge thing. And it doesn't need to be. It can be this little teeny moment. 86 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:53,600 It takes the pressure off. Yeah. Ironically for me, I think I'm in the least minister role that 87 00:08:53,600 --> 00:09:00,160 I've ever been in my life or my working career. Anyway, for those who know me, I worked in Christian 88 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:08,080 ministries and in the nonprofit sector and started the dam and was the executive director of the 89 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:13,520 Beedon Food for Change Food Bank and Mystography for 10 years. Now I'm working at a telecommunications 90 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:18,800 company building testing equipment for the internet. Wow. So a little outside of my... 91 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:24,560 It's a bit of a change. But I think if anything, what that has taught me is that 92 00:09:26,560 --> 00:09:32,560 being a minister is not so much what you do, but who you are. And so you can be a minister in a 93 00:09:32,560 --> 00:09:37,360 full-time Christian ministry. You can be a minister in a secular nonprofit organization. You can be a 94 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:46,240 minister working your job, whatever that job is. There's people... I enjoy working with my hands 95 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:48,640 right now. It's certainly less frustrating than working with people. You think? 96 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:52,960 I can tell. I've done both now. You're onto something. 97 00:09:55,840 --> 00:10:02,160 But there's still people around and you can still take time to show care and concern and love for 98 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:06,960 your coworkers and for people that... clients and your vendors and all that kind of stuff. 99 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:11,840 Whatever job you're doing. Love it. I love it. Now we're just going to flash forward to the New 100 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:16,000 Testament and we're going to look at something that Jesus said when he was discussing one of his 101 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:22,400 parables. He said, he who is faithful with little will be faithful with much. Now that's found in 102 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:26,960 Luke. And I just want to see if we can reflect on that statement, how we think that was reflective 103 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:31,360 in Joseph's life. And then we're going to sort of apply it maybe to our own lives. I'll just 104 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:37,600 read it again. He who is faithful with little will be faithful with much. How do we see that in Joseph's 105 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:44,000 life, do you think? I think it didn't matter if he was in prison or if he was overseeing all of the 106 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:52,640 storehouses of Egypt, that he was following God's plan for his life, that he was using whatever he 107 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:57,680 had to minister. Yeah. And we saw that in Potiphar's house as well. Yeah. 108 00:10:57,680 --> 00:11:02,480 He was just being the person that he is. He was faithful with God and he never changed that. 109 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:08,080 He never wavered from that. He always remained the same. Always having faith in God, never 110 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:13,440 questioning why God, why, but just sort of taking what God put in front of him. 111 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:20,640 So why do you think that we may sometimes find it hard to be content and faithful to God in the 112 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:24,880 work that we're doing? And let's use the term work loosely, not necessarily in a career. 113 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:36,560 Because the work is hard. I often wonder as I drive to work, I think, what is this about? 114 00:11:36,560 --> 00:11:43,840 This is sitting with other people suffering. It's not an easy gig. And yet he doesn't say it's going 115 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:49,440 to be easy. He doesn't say the work is going to be smooth even. But he does say that he's going to, 116 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:56,080 like Rob said in the sermon, I was listening, that God provides what you need to do to do the job, 117 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,960 the work that he's calling you to do. Right. Yeah. 118 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:09,920 Echoing what's already been said, I think it's not so much about the amount of responsibility 119 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:16,160 that you might have in your job. So it's less about what you do and more about who you are. 120 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:24,480 Or in the case of Joseph's story over decades, it's who you're becoming. So when you start out 121 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:34,320 and you're being trusted with a little, it is a test. It's a test of not so much about capacity, 122 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:41,040 but worth, self-worth and who God is growing you to become. 123 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:46,560 And I just, I wonder if you think that our society contradicts what you just said, Bill. 124 00:12:46,560 --> 00:12:51,520 There's so much emphasis and I see this for our young people and those who are going into 125 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:56,480 university, into college and trying to find that perfect job that fits you and find your perfect 126 00:12:56,480 --> 00:13:01,680 calling and so much stress on finding that perfect job. Do you think that that can maybe 127 00:13:01,680 --> 00:13:07,280 be counterintuitive or counterproductive to staying faithful in the work and the place 128 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:14,240 that you find yourself right then and there? Wow. Do you think counterproductive? I don't know. 129 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:22,640 Well, it gets in the way of thinking about God's long-term plan. If you think you need to be 130 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:29,840 landing where you're supposed to be five years out of university. But that's actually not, 131 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:34,560 God uses all of the seasons of your life and builds and builds and builds. It took me 132 00:13:34,560 --> 00:13:38,480 till I was in my mid forties to go back to school to become a psychotherapist. But I look back over 133 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:42,720 my life and he had been doing it from the very beginning. He'd been planting these seeds all 134 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:48,560 along the way and building me up to be the person professionally that I am now. And like Joseph, 135 00:13:48,560 --> 00:13:53,600 you would not have seen that coming. No, no, no. And I still don't see it coming because I'm at 136 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:59,120 Wycliffe right now part-time and it took me five years to get there because I kept thinking, well, 137 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:02,720 why am I going there? Like I already have a current worm. Why do I want to do this? And then 138 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:08,320 I made myself believe that it was because I wanted to go deeper, but God has a plan. I sense that he 139 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:13,840 has a plan for me. And something that I've always focused on is spiritual direction. And when I look 140 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:19,440 at my life at church and my, in my journey, God's put me in so many different ministries 141 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:27,040 to give me different sort of big picture of what church is and how to serve. And it's always been 142 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:33,120 pastoral. So he's kind of already put me in that direction, but it can be counterintuitive if your 143 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:39,920 focus is on what you have to become rather than who you are and who you belong to. That's when it 144 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:45,120 can be counterproductive. Wow. So I think you kind of already alluded to this next question. 145 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:49,840 It's in the next question, we have this in our sermon questions for this week, 146 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:57,440 the difficult trials Joseph went through equipped him for his ultimate ministry. Can you relate to 147 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:10,240 that? And I'm not saying you're in your ultimate ministry yet. Nope. No, no, no, no. I'm just saying 148 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:15,440 I'm not in my ultimate ministry right now. So you can sense that. Yeah. There's hope for the future. 149 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:22,400 Yeah. The, I think COVID and the pandemic, like many of us, it just kind of threw us for a loop, 150 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:27,040 threw me for a loop, changed up a bunch of stuff for me. And so I'm still kind of, you know, 151 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:32,640 kind of figuring out what's next, but I'm, I'm, I'm hopeful that, you know, whatever that is, 152 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:41,360 that I've been preparing for that each step of the way. So that's, that's, that's, that's my hope. 153 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:47,440 Right. Yeah. Yeah. Hold on to it. For me and for all of us. I think it's the hard stuff. Like it's 154 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:55,280 the hard, tough moments that God uses to actually reveal himself to you in a way that when things 155 00:15:55,280 --> 00:16:00,720 are easy and smooth, you don't necessarily see. Right. And so it's in the revealing that you start 156 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:06,880 to understand also who you are. Right. Who he's calling you to be, who he's created you to be. 157 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:12,000 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And just getting through, through those really difficult times when you just don't 158 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:17,840 want to, you just want to wallow in it rather than listen to God and then, and understand that he's 159 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:24,560 trying to teach you something. I like wallowing. That's one of my favorite things. Yeah. Or he 160 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:28,640 lets you run around the mountain because I did a lot of running around the mountain because, you 161 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:32,240 know, we put it in front of me and I'm well, what if we try this instead? Well, go ahead and run 162 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:36,880 around the mountain. But it allows you then when you're looking at, like when I'm looking at what 163 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:42,320 I'd like to do, when I'm walking alongside someone, I understand it because I've been through it. And 164 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:47,680 that, you know, you don't want to be, you lose your faith and you become, and I always say to God, 165 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:51,760 you made me so human. It's not my fault. You know, when it comes to emotions, cause we want to hang 166 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:56,080 on to those emotions rather than understand that it's a sign that something's wrong or you have to 167 00:16:56,080 --> 00:17:00,560 do something about it, but God is right there to help you. But you somehow, you don't want to look 168 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:04,320 in that direction because it's hard. It's hard to get through difficult times. Well, that's great. 169 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:10,160 Listening to that, it reminds me that that compassion is not only a gift, but it's also 170 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:15,520 a learned skill. So as we go through life and we experience things ourselves, we can be more 171 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:21,200 compassionate to others. So during, certainly during those difficult times or stressful times 172 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:27,920 when we rely on God and our family and friends to get us through it, we can, you know, on the other 173 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:34,720 side, we can, we can be that support for others. But I think, and I kind of go in the last couple 174 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:42,320 of years for me, it's not the difficult and stressful times or the busy times are almost 175 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:50,480 easier to bear. It seems because the last couple of years have been pretty slow for me. So the 176 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:57,520 difficult thing for me is just kind of understanding who I am and preparing for what's next in that low 177 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:02,880 time or in that slow time. So, well, it's actually interesting that you're talking about slow times 178 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:07,760 and more exciting times and lower and higher. And we're currently doing a study at Trinity 179 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:12,800 for four weeks. It's called Joseph When Life is a Roller Coaster. So that just reminded me 180 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:17,920 of how life can be. It's not a straight path, is it? There's ups and there's downs. So if we're 181 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:22,720 riding high, we know that a low time is probably coming soon, but it also gives us hope. Like Bill 182 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:28,560 said, that we know that we know that there's going to be changes as well in our lives. And so in 183 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:34,320 Genesis, our question number eight in the sermon questions is we see Pharaoh providing for Joseph 184 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:40,080 everything that he needs to do his job. And let's just substitute the word job there for his ministry. 185 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:48,640 How has God provided for you in your life or in your career? Maybe in ways that you don't think 186 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:54,320 you'd be able to do on your own. I guess God really does provide for us really everything that we need. 187 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:58,000 So how have you seen his provision? There's three words that come to mind immediately when 188 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:05,040 when I'm hearing the question and community, relationship and mentoring. So on a larger 189 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:16,400 scale, being part of a healthy Christian growing community has benefited me through the years, 190 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:23,760 for sure. And my relationships, most importantly, my relationships with my wife and my daughters, 191 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:31,280 but also friends, lifelong friends that I've had have been very encouraging and very supportive and 192 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:42,720 motivating me to do what I need to do or what I have done. And then last thing, mentors, 193 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:50,560 I'm just a very strong believer in mentors. I was involved a lot in youth mentoring in different 194 00:19:51,120 --> 00:19:58,160 jobs or roles that I've had and just feel that it's so important to be mentored 195 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:05,040 in order to develop yourself. But even beyond that, to mentor someone else as part of your own growth 196 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:14,880 and process and learning in terms of faith and discipleship. So both are important. 197 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:20,640 So I think for me, I did mention all the different ministries that God gave me the opportunity to be 198 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:25,040 a part of, but I think before I even got there, I had to understand that I could have a relationship 199 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:29,840 with God of my own and that it was important to have a community, but it was also important to 200 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:34,160 have a relationship with him so that when he was providing for me, I could hear him 201 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:38,880 above the noise. Because if you don't connect with God on that level, you can't hear him. 202 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,800 And sometimes when you do connect with him, you can't hear him, but at least you know that you 203 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:48,640 have a relationship. You know that he hears you and at times when you don't want to hear him, 204 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,520 he's still going to put it in front of you. I have a Moses complex. As soon as he tells me, 205 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:56,560 I'm going to do something, it's like, not me, somebody else. But he still puts me through it. 206 00:20:56,560 --> 00:21:00,560 And every time he does that, it reminds me that he's right there and he's going to provide what I 207 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:05,600 need. I just need to let him do it, stand back and just let him do it. So it's having that strong 208 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:14,960 faith in who he is in my life. Thanks Jen. I think for me, when you look at Joseph and how he got 209 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:20,560 that whole, especially at the end, like he even got the wife and the family and everything, 210 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:28,480 like power and everything. And I think for me, it's helpful to remember that provision doesn't come 211 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:34,240 in big splashes like that. A lot of times provision often comes in small moments. 212 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:40,080 Like I, so I see five clients a day and if you can imagine sitting and listening to suffering five 213 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:46,240 hours consecutively, it's a lot. And when I first started doing this work, it was, I would always 214 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:51,840 feel that I would not have enough. I would not have enough in my own energy stores, in my 215 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:59,920 own energy stores, in my mental focus, in my ability to be empathetic. And what I realized is 216 00:21:59,920 --> 00:22:05,920 that God gives me what I need one hour at a time. It's sort of like manna in the desert. Daily bread. 217 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:10,880 He's not going to give you more than you need, but he gives you what you need. And so to circle back 218 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:17,280 to that financially, relationally, emotionally, all of the things that you need will come as you, 219 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:22,800 because God knows, God knows exactly what you need for any given moment of your life. And he will 220 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:28,880 meet you there and give you what you need. Yeah. I love that. Thanks guys. So before we wrap up, 221 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:33,360 where do you think you're going to go after hearing this sermon, knowing that in your role, 222 00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:40,240 as in your jobs, in your families, that you are a minister. And like Heidi said, it's not necessarily 223 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:44,640 just in the big things. It can be in the day to day, minute to minute conversations. How can we 224 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:51,200 grow up and move on with our lives as ministers as we go forward outside of the church today? 225 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:59,360 To remember that I'm responsible, right? Like that I can't run away from that responsibility. I loved 226 00:22:59,360 --> 00:23:07,040 Rob's connection with baptism as sort of like the welcoming into that role. And to remember that 227 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:12,960 since I was baptized, I've had that responsibility, right? So just to remember that it's not something 228 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:22,960 you can sort of sidestep. Yeah. I think being a leader and a servant in everything that you do. 229 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:30,880 And I think there's in some jobs, people might have jobs where they don't consider themselves 230 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:36,640 a leader. They might consider themselves more of a servant. But I think in whatever role we are, 231 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:44,160 we do play the role of a leader and a servant. And I think if we kind of examine that or figure 232 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:50,640 what that is situationally for where we are right now, then I think we'll benefit and those around 233 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:56,320 us will benefit from that. And I think just continuing to draw on God and knowing that He is 234 00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:01,760 the center of all of it. And it's not just me and I'm not just doing a job, but it's centered around 235 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:08,080 who God is in my life and what my responsibility is, Heidi said, and how I serve as Bill said. 236 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:13,040 That's really important that we remember that. And that we don't, you know, if we step away from 237 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:17,200 that, then it becomes something completely different. So we just need to stay focused on that. 238 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:23,200 Stay focused. And as Jesus said, whatsoever you do to the least of those you do to me. So really, 239 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:27,760 He's in the mix the whole time, isn't He? Well, thanks guys. This has been a great conversation. 240 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:32,880 I almost want to see if Bill could maybe join your lady small group sometimes. 241 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:37,360 This is a really good report. I was just saying, I know I said I'd be in your life group. I've been so 242 00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:42,880 encouraged by listening to you guys. I want some of that every two weeks. Maybe we need to have a life 243 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:48,720 mingle. He may come and never leave. You can have the men's life group and the women's life group 244 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,320 come together for a social. I think we're on to something next week. Stay tuned. 245 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:58,000 Stay tuned. All right. So that's going to be it. We've got 1115 service starting soon, everybody. 246 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:02,000 So maybe we'll have you back again soon, but thank you very much. So thank you to Heidi, 247 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:07,360 to Bill and to Jen for the great conversation. And we'll see everyone again next week for 248 00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:22,720 another conversation. It's been a pleasure. Thank you. Thank you so much.