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This is the Things We Do podcast, a podcast about film life, television culture, mental

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health and all that fun jazzy stuff.

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Today I've got my special guest and friend, Liz Lynn.

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Hello.

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Hi.

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Hi.

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I'm glad that you said my name correctly because you know how many times like people in emails

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like write my name wrong?

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How do you write your name wrong?

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Right, like it's three letters, first letter, first name, three letters, second name.

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And oftentimes they will call me Lynn.

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Although like I had an email the other day was like, Lynn Lynn.

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And I'm like, it's clearly Liz Lynn, not Lynn Lynn.

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I don't know where that came from.

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Like obviously your computer is not auto correcting Liz to Lynn because Liz is a real name.

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So I don't know.

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I feel like you're also just like looking at it as like, there's only a letter change.

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There's one letter change between the two names.

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And like people getting confused, like which part is my first name, which part is my last

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name?

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And I'm like, how is that confusing?

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Like I'm pretty sure Lynn is a lot like if you look at Liz Lynn, I'm pretty sure Liz

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is not the last name.

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Well, I mean, you could be Lynn Liz.

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I could be Lynn Liz, but I've never heard of a last name called Liz.

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I'd be really concerned if someone had a last name, although I'm not taking offense to anyone

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who does have a last name as Liz.

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But I do feel a little bit sorry for you because it is a first name.

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Right.

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Well, actually, you know, it's so funny.

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Like the first time I ever went to an optometrist, my optometrist was called Michael Michael.

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Like his first name was Michael and his last name was Michael.

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Well, didn't you know like Taylor Lautner got married to Taylor Lautner?

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Like that's a thing.

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I saw that.

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I was like, why would you change your last name to Lautner?

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Like I wouldn't do that.

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I would keep my last name.

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Just to separate you because now on every legal paper, it's just Taylor Lautner and

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Taylor Lautner.

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That's just really disturbing.

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It's you don't know who you're referring to.

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Like, and especially if you want to get rid of Mr. And Mrs. Like you're really going to

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throw people off.

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Exactly.

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Also, like what century we're living in.

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Why are we still taking like, like the male's last name?

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Oh, I know.

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Right.

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I mean, like this is the, this goes back to our parents generation, which is very like,

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but even my parents didn't actually, I think my parents were like the Stanford because

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mom and dad have individual last names and I have mom's last name.

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Interesting.

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So me and my brother both have mom's last name and the choice was if it was born girl,

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it would get dads.

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If it was born a boy, moms.

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I have heard of families like that.

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Yes.

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I had one, but like, you know, you had a family.

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I had a friend who was like that.

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I was confused because I was like, are you and your sister related?

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Like, why do you have different last names?

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And then she explained to me that they took like different, you know, each parent's last

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name.

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But it's interesting because in Chinese culture, at least with our mainland Chinese people,

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uh, ever since, you know, the, the communist party came into power, the women stopped taking

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their husband's last name.

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So my mom does not have my dad's last name.

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Interesting.

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Yeah.

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Because they were like, they decreed that men and women were equal.

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So then you don't have to take your husband's last name.

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So I don't know any mainland Chinese people who have their husband's last names.

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And I love that.

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Oh my God.

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Um, I love also that you talk about mainland China, um, China as well, because you know,

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there's a whole debate whether Hong Kong should be considered.

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Well, Hong Kong's different.

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They didn't go through the cultural revolution, so they still take their husband's last name.

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Which is really interesting.

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There's a lot of things about Hong Kong that I, like as a place, I've never realized until

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like probably in the last, I'd say five years, particularly when it's had this huge political

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turmoil.

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Um, but you know, like, because where, where were your parents born?

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My parents were born in China, but I'm different parts of China.

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My dad was from Shanghai.

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Everyone knows Shanghai.

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My mom is from this very tiny Northeast city called Yakutia, which nobody knows.

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I wouldn't have known.

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Most people in China don't even know it.

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So yeah, they're like, it's a, it's the middle of nowhere.

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Don't care about it.

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It's very, very cold.

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It's very close to Russia.

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It's very cold.

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When you go in winter, which I have been many times, it's like minus 40 degrees.

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You go outside, your eyelashes frost over.

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Do your parents go back there for any particular like family stuff?

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So like ever since I was young, I've been going back every single year.

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They always make a point to take us back to see our extended family.

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That's good.

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It's amazing.

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Keeps us in touch with our cultural roots.

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Yes.

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Cause you can lose it very quickly here in Australia.

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I mean, like it's, it's kind of interesting as well because I, I've, I've now known you

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for like three years, which sort of seems, um, yeah, yeah, about 2020.

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So that's where, yeah.

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So it'd be almost three years.

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Yeah.

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I don't know to resume my knowledge of time at this point.

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Um, but it was always kind of interesting as well because, you know, like predominantly

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the thing that I think, you know, we, we touched upon at the beginning as well, but you are

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an actor.

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You, you, at that stage when we met, how, how, like how ingrained into the industry had you

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been at that point?

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I think I'd been in the industry for like two months or something.

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It was very early on.

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Very early.

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Um, and you were just like this eager, eager, I'm going to do anything.

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Absolutely.

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I didn't know what I had to do.

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I just, I was eager.

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But I think that's always what I think you had a, particularly with you, you always have

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like a very forward thinking mind and you're always kind of just ready to jump at any opportunity.

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Um, I would say the same for you.

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I mean, like, you know, but I also think that the thing I love about, um, you is like, you're

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always willing to challenge someone as well.

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You're always like, do this, do this.

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Like you're very collaborative, which I feel like a lot of young actors, especially when

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they started in the industry, aren't they kind of just like, yes, people.

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And you're always from the get go, even when we were filming in Helensburg, which was really

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fun.

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That was so much fun.

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Oh my God.

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That makeup insane.

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I still can't believe that that is only a minute scene and I'm still like sad that there was

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so much effort went.

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I know it was like, it was like a six hour day and we were like, we were in makeup chairs

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for like, I'd say about three hours.

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It was like a, cause it was like five of you and then everyone had to get makeup done.

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But, um, yeah, I remember like everyone was just obsessed, but now that like interesting

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event at the other day, that gate is no longer there.

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So you can just have free access again.

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And I'm like, so sad.

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I know.

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I think I thought we had exclusive access.

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I did too.

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And I'm very disappointed.

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My life has gone to shreds.

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Um, but I mean like also I feel like both you and I have dramatically shifted our careers

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as well.

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What's your star sign?

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I'm a, I'm Aquarius.

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Oh my God.

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I'm a Gemini.

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That's how I get along.

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That's why we're like all like, woo.

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Like, you know what I mean?

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I know.

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Chaos.

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Chaotic as fuck.

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Um, but I mean like also I think the thing that, you know, you're so passionate about

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everything that you do, especially like, you know, I love, I love that about you because

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I think from the outwards perspective as well, and I often find this with working with people.

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I think it's also because I surround myself with a lot of women, but I automatically know

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when I'm on set with a lot of awkward men who have never encountered women before.

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Do you know that feeling?

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It's hilarious.

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Cause I'm around awkward men all the time.

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I mean, like, well fuck him.

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But I mean, like, do you notice that as well?

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Like being, being young because like being on set, being young, but I mean like being

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on set because I feel like there's, there's this sort of like, we have a lot of mutual

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friends, but um, you know, I think there's some of them that I'm like, oh, they're way

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more awkward or they're way more less in touch with actually like cultural experiences or

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like women in general.

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I mean, I think I've been very fortunate in all the sets that I've worked on and the people

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I've worked with have been generally like very good, very open.

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Like our generation generally are more like open-minded.

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They're like more, I guess, willing to have conversations and just like adapting.

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Well, I mean like, you know, we're, we're kind of the generation.

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It's very, it's very interesting as well, because I was sort of thinking about that.

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Um, when I was chatting to one of my mutual friends, Aravind, um, and I love him to bits,

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but, um, we were chatting about that where it was like the problem we find when we're

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on set particularly is when we just, we sort of notice like people just don't know what

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to say around or just like how to talk to women naturally.

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Like it's a very like, um, I think, I think it's particularly because both he and I have

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spent a lot of our careers, like, you know, as, as it's like strong feminists as well

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as kind of establishing a safe environment.

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But because of that, we're also very easy to chat to and be like, oh yeah, no, we, you

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know, like I grew up with female friends and everything.

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So it was like very easy from a young age to talk to people about periods and, you know,

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and, um, like, I guess, you know, like situations that would definitely were not comfortable

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Aravind conditioning my brother from a young age to be comfortable with these topics.

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So it's amazing how many people are not.

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And then, but it was so like, I think because I've lived with girls before as well and had

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those conversations really like ingrained in me.

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It's very weird when I hear people just go, Oh, Oh, I remember once I remember once I

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was like at work and I met someone I was like, Oh, you know, she said she was a makeup artist

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and I was like, Oh, I'll just grab you an underwear, grab your contactees, went over

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to the other guys and they were like, you got a number?

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And I was like, Oh my God, this is so weird.

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That is so weird.

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And this was early in my career.

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So I was like, I must've been about 24 and I was like, this is surreal.

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I don't actually feel comfortable with this sort of level of creepiness where it's all

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about, you know, but I've worked with some-

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That is really weird.

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Definitely have worked with people who are a bit like that.

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And I, and I feel like that kind of stuff is like inappropriate on set as well.

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Like it's not about like getting the number.

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It's all professional.

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Like, well, I mean, it's a grain like between professional and fun and goes back to chaotic.

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But like, I do think what's your, being your experience, like, especially in the last few

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years to working on sets, what's been sets that you've been like, this is good.

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And sets that you have been like, Oh God, where did this go wrong?

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Like, I feel like I've like, honestly, I've been really lucky.

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I feel like all the sets I've worked on have been like quite good, very collaborative.

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I work like, I guess I've been on like student films and stuff like that.

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So generally those are very, you know, collaborative and stuff and even more professional sets.

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Like, and also like during COVID, it's been kind of strange too, because I guess like

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working on professional sets during COVID, you're very isolated from everyone else.

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So like, you don't even have the opportunity to really have those kinds of interactions.

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That might be awkward because you're like made to sit a meter point five away from everyone

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else kind of thing.

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Like you're eating your lunch there by yourself, like trying to have a conversation while they're

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like that far away from you.

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Yeah.

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Like, I'm so happy to meet you.

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I'll just yell across the room.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah.

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I mean, that's really interesting as well, because I sort of think that COVID in my sort

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of day to day existence has been very like normal.

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Whereas yeah, like being sitting on like close quarters and stuff.

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Like COVID has really changed our industry.

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Like how is it, how do you think you've changed as a person because of this whole like COVID

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lifestyle?

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Do you know what's interesting is like, well, in terms of the industry, I started during

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COVID.

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I don't know anything outside of COVID.

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Do you know what I mean?

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So like when people were like, oh my God, self-tapes suck.

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I'm like, what was it like in person?

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I don't even know what you're talking about.

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Like I do a self test.

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Cool.

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But in terms of me as a person, like I feel like I've become a little bit more introverted

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like during COVID because I was like, oh, I actually love spending time by myself and

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just at home.

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And like, I remember when the lockdowns I think lifted and I was like, I have to go

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out in the world again.

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I was like, I have to spend money to eat out.

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Like I was like, I can't just cook at home and just like go to sleep right after.

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Like I was like, I have to emerge into society again.

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It was like an adjustment.

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Oh my God.

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Yeah.

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So you were a hermit because you, you, I am a bit of a hermit, but also like I'm actually

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technically an extra technically an extrovert and everyone who meets me will be like, yeah,

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you're very extroverted.

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But my close friends know they're like for an extrovert, you need a lot of alone time.

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You like hide away in like the reverse.

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Yeah.

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Sometimes I just don't reply to messages for like a day.

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That's true.

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If anyone wants a serious question out of Liz, expect it in a month in an email or a letter

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or a message bottle.

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Who knows what.

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I'm really bad at replying to messages.

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Like it's like, I either reply straight away or never.

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Like you'll just never get replied to.

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It's not, it's one or the other.

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Like you're either like, I don't think Liz hates you because she doesn't.

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There's no hate.

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It's just Liz is really bad at responding.

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And if you look at Gemini memes, they are, they absolutely like, you know, support this

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point.

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You're trying to justify.

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But I think also like I love, you know, you started doing some YouTube stuff in like,

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you know, lockdown, which I've watched a few videos.

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They're quite funny.

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Oh my god.

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So yeah.

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So, okay.

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It's funny because like my YouTube career starts from like, you know, age like 11.

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Okay.

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Not a career, but like, you know, I was, hang on.

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Is there this video still online?

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Okay.

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No, I don't think so.

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Like I think I just recorded them, my webcam uploaded them, but I don't even know what

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channel they're on anymore.

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I don't even know if that channel still exists.

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Like basically when I was like 11, I was really into Twilight or 10 years old.

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I can't remember.

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I was very young back then.

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And so I did like a, I mean, when the movie came out, I did like a review on the movie

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and I recorded it on my Sony bio laptop, like my pink laptop.

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And I uploaded it onto YouTube.

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And then after that, I was like, I was really obsessed with like all those like beauty YouTubers.

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That's how I learned how to do makeup was through YouTube.

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So I was like, I need to replicate that.

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So I would do like, what's in my handbag videos.

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I didn't even have a handbag.

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I was like in year seven, like I didn't have a handbag, but I was like, I was like, let

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me get a sports girl and buy bags so I can do this.

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This is so cute.

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Yeah.

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And I, um, well, I just checked to my saliva.

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That tends to happen sometimes when I get excited.

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But um, I remember like my, the videos that I made was like, I was really into gossip

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girl in year seven, probably a bit inappropriate, but I was about to say like, like a 12 year

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old just getting really into gossip.

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That is not an appropriate age.

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Oh my God, no, but I made like a gossip girl review videos where I'd be like, Oh, you know,

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wouldn't it be great if like Dan and Blair got together and then like three seasons later

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they would get together.

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I know.

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I'm like, I predicted this.

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Oh my God.

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Did it, did this tell anything to you like from a young age of what kind of person you

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turn out to be?

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Yeah.

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I mean, I guess so.

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Cause like, look, like ever since I was like very young, like my parents would record me

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on like their VCR, like to document like my childhood.

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And so when I was three, my little brother was born.

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And so it's, it went from me singing twinkle, twinkle little star to the camera to like

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him also joining in.

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And so, and like sometimes he would grab the microphone for me and I'm like, no, no, no.

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And I would grab it back from him.

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Like I needed to be the star of this show kind of thing.

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And so I think from a young age that, that definitely informed who I am today.

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I love that.

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Absolute chaos as a young child.

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Oh, absolutely.

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I was like, he can't be the center of attention.

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It's me.

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Yeah, clearly.

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I'm the oldest.

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Shut up.

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You're staying still.

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You're not getting a say in this.

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You can't sing.

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What are you doing?

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You can't even speak yet.

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You were just born yesterday.

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Shut up.

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Oh my God.

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I think I've been chaos, but I mean like, you know, the fact that you've recorded yourself,

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especially with Gozziwell, that just astounds me that you were watching that at such a young

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age.

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Oh, it's cause my, like all my cousins are much older than me.

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And one of my cousins introduced me to her at like 11 years old and I was like, oh my

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God, this explains your Twilight obsession as well.

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My Twilight.

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I don't even know how that came along, but that was my first obsession.

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I think I was like in year five or year six when I discovered it and I literally left

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to sleep over early so I can go home and keep reading.

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I remember the Twilight phase as well and I, and I particularly, I did not understand

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it, still don't like through this day.

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I feel like it's just like, um, well you never had a vampire phase in your life.

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Oh, I was Bram Stoker's Dracula though.

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Like mine was or Bella LaGosie.

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Like you know, classic, classic.

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I don't even know who those are.

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I only know who Dracula is.

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Like Bella, who's that?

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Bella, that's the one, that's the only one I know.

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I mean like the real Bella, the real Bella.

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Um, no, but I always, oh man.

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Um, that, that franchise as well, like it's, it's funny because we watched, we watched

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the race, um, the first one recently and I'm like, it is not aged well.

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Oh my God.

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But you know what?

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I feel like I need to watch that movie like every few years just to like, it's comedy

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gold.

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And like though, can I just say Christian Stewart is still attractive to this day.

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Oh my God.

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She's gorgeous.

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I wish they let her use her like natural eye color in the movies because they made her

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wear brown contacts.

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They did.

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Wasn't it?

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Isn't her natural eye color like bluey green?

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It's like green I think.

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Yeah.

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She's gorgeous.

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Oh my God.

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Um, uh, just like I watched her in, um, I don't know.

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Have you seen underwater?

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No, I haven't.

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I'm really bad with like watching new movies, even old movies.

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I'm just like, I get distracted and I end up down like a YouTube loophole.

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Like I'm just like YouTube is like my Netflix.

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This explains this so much.

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Um, but no, like it's a great film and I think, um, it's like an, it's like an hour and a

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half to a house.

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Um, and it's just like her as this action here and I'm just like, yes, give it to me.

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But also, um, yeah, she's just great.

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She's like one of those underrated actors who was like, had a career, I think.

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Oh, and you know, Twilight is not what I'd say great acting, um, in anyone's.

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It's got great actors.

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It's got great actors in not.

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Robert Pattinson.

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Oh my God.

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Who is now Robert Batinson, as in the Batman.

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He was amazing in that movie.

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I watched that.

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It was so good.

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I look, he is just, he has aged incredibly well.

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Cedric Diggory.

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I feel like this is constantly just like learning about your like secret crushes during.

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Oh my God.

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Robert Pattinson was probably like my first crush.

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Really?

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Yeah.

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Probably like my first proper like celebrity crush.

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Yeah.

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All I'm getting, all I'm getting is a very inappropriate team.

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Like you fantasizing about a lot of people.

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Yeah.

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Fan fiction was a big part of like my, like me growing up.

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Really?

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Absolutely.

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Yeah.

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Like, um, all throughout high school was I read fan fiction till like 3am in the morning.

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I would write fan fiction.

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I was just very into the fan fiction world.

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How do you, I mean, this explains so much actually.

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I mean, you do fan fiction.

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I know.

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Okay.

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Look, look.

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Like movies.

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I do.

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I do.

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Like, you know, I do, I do, I do.

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I mean, it's very interesting when you do read fan fiction and you write it.

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It's a very like surreal kind of thing.

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I don't think I ever think of my own work as fan fiction.

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Technically it is though.

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No, I know.

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It's terrible.

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I mean, like, look, look, every, everything that we write, everything that you see as

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a revamp is actually fan fiction of anything else.

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Like, you know, any continuation of any show.

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I mean, Fifty Shades of Grey was Twilight fan fiction.

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Yeah.

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And I think that Dakota Johnson would only watch for her, like literally.

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I actually haven't watched it all Reddit because I'm like, that's not Edward and Bella.

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Why would I do that?

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Yes.

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I mean, it's just like, look, just replace the names with Edward and Bella.

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That's the only thing.

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Oh my God.

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I used to do that with One Direction fan fiction.

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I would like replace the female name with my name.

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Yeah.

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I would do that.

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Oh my God.

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Yes.

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I literally watched like, Don't Worry Darling a few weeks ago.

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Oh gosh.

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I haven't watched it, but I've watched so many YouTube commentaries about it.

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It's interesting.

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It's fun.

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I mean, like it probably has one too many sex scenes that I really don't need to like

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have that many.

497
00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:16,400
It looks like it has such a great aesthetic.

498
00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:17,400
It does.

499
00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:18,400
It's gorgeous.

500
00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:19,400
It's gorgeous.

501
00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:20,400
And the cast.

502
00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:21,400
Oh my God.

503
00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:22,400
Chris Pine, Gemma Chan.

504
00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:23,400
Love them.

505
00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:24,400
I know, but I feel like they're also like, Oh my God.

506
00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,000
Anything Gemma Chan is in.

507
00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:27,000
She's so underrated.

508
00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:28,000
She is.

509
00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:29,000
Right?

510
00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:30,000
She was the best part about Eternals.

511
00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:31,000
I really think.

512
00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:32,000
I haven't even watched.

513
00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,080
I'm not very good at watching Marvel.

514
00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:35,880
I watched like the new Spider-Man movie.

515
00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:36,880
Okay.

516
00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:38,240
I've watched all the like, okay, that's a lie.

517
00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:44,920
I watched like the first Spider-Man movie is probably like my favorite Marvel movie.

518
00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:48,680
Although I haven't watched many, so that's inaccurate.

519
00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:49,680
Your broad knowledge.

520
00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:50,680
Yeah, my broad knowledge.

521
00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:57,320
I mean, if you could like, I mean with your career though, as well, you've done comedy,

522
00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,960
you've done like drama, you've kind of done a mixture of things.

523
00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:02,200
What have you loved the most?

524
00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,120
What is, what have you sort of like drawn to the most?

525
00:20:05,120 --> 00:20:09,600
It's interesting because like, I feel like at the start of my career, which I'm still

526
00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:13,640
in the start of my career, I suppose it hasn't been very long, but I think everyone sees

527
00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,080
me naturally as a comedy actor.

528
00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,960
And I think this year I've been really starting to explore the drama side.

529
00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:22,280
And I think that actually makes my comedy acting better because I start to realize,

530
00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,920
Oh, comedy is actually the same as drama.

531
00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:28,920
It's just, you know, it's just got different beat structures and stuff.

532
00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:29,920
Right?

533
00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:33,560
So, you know, I don't think I have a preference towards comedy and drama or drama.

534
00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:38,280
Like I love both, but I think in terms of like theater or film, definitely I prefer

535
00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:39,280
film.

536
00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:40,280
Yeah.

537
00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:46,480
I mean, like, because I think that the thing that I always like, the way you, there's like

538
00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:50,760
only very few actors that would ever say this, which is Liz is one of them who can speak

539
00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:54,240
a mile a minute and actually make everything sound coherent.

540
00:20:54,240 --> 00:21:00,880
But I mean, like you do, and it's why, like, I always think that, you know, you have such

541
00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:02,960
a quick natured fire ant.

542
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:08,360
But also I think the thing that's always interesting about you is actually is like, you kind of

543
00:21:08,360 --> 00:21:10,160
possess things differently.

544
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,720
You do things very differently, which I think is, you know, but it's interesting that you

545
00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:17,020
talk about comedy as well, because you are quite silly.

546
00:21:17,020 --> 00:21:21,280
You are quite chaotic, but you're also very good at being creepy.

547
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:25,840
You're very good at being like, you know, sort of very straight and narrow.

548
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:30,280
And just, you know, I think, I think you lean into drama and, you know, comedy and, and

549
00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:34,160
sci fi and horror, like all those categories, particularly well.

550
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:35,160
Wow.

551
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:36,160
Do you, is that?

552
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:37,680
No, I've just never done a sci fi before.

553
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,040
I would love to do a sci fi.

554
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:42,200
I think, you know, like, I think you're, you know, you'd be great at it.

555
00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:48,080
I think you also got like a gotten kind of a, it's sort of like that very, I want to

556
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:53,160
say interesting personality, which kind of like exacerbates itself many different times.

557
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,480
And I think the, the thing multiple personalities.

558
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:56,480
Yeah.

559
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,880
It was like, DID dissociative identity disorder.

560
00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:01,000
Like let's be, let's be straight.

561
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,720
Let's say what it is.

562
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:09,120
But no, I think, I think you, you will always possess those skills.

563
00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:12,400
But you know, also like, as we've said before, chaotic as fuck.

564
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:18,040
So you know, it's, it's, it's nailing you down to something that we will like, you know,

565
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:22,560
like, you know, like, you're, you're such a hard worker as well.

566
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,960
And so energetic and passionate, like where did all this passion come from?

567
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,760
Where did young Liz find her passion?

568
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:30,960
Honestly, I have no idea.

569
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:35,000
Like I think from a very young age, I just always loved performing.

570
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,840
You know, like when, when I was very young, I would put on like shows for my parents,

571
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:40,800
like after dinner, I'd make them sit down.

572
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:42,200
I would involve my brother.

573
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,400
I would be like, I'm putting on a show.

574
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:49,040
And then when I got a bit older, older, like, you know, like seven years old or something

575
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:50,040
like that.

576
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,800
And then like, and then I started playing around with like computers and stuff.

577
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:53,800
Okay.

578
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:54,800
Maybe not seven.

579
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:55,800
What did they, were there computers back then?

580
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:56,800
Yes, they were computers.

581
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:57,800
Yeah.

582
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,800
It makes you sound like you weren't born in them.

583
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:01,800
They were computers.

584
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,480
You're not that, you're not that old.

585
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,520
I was born in the very late nineties.

586
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,800
Liz is like, I was born before computers.

587
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:10,800
I think.

588
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:16,440
No, I just, I just don't remember if I used computers, like if I was allowed to use computers,

589
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:17,440
like by my parents.

590
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,320
Yeah, I was just like, no.

591
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:20,320
And then, yeah.

592
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:21,320
So, okay.

593
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:25,440
So when I first got my first laptop, my own laptop, when maybe I was like four or something

594
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:30,600
like that, that's when I started doing, making like little short films, more like my Sony

595
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:36,160
cyber shot camera and involving, you know, like my neighbors and all that kind of stuff.

596
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,280
And I just, I'm like editing it on Windows movie maker.

597
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,240
Oh my God, I don't know if you remember Windows movie maker.

598
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:42,240
I do.

599
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:43,240
But it was atrocious, right?

600
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,600
Like iMovie is miles and like just so much better.

601
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:49,640
I love that you're on iMovie now though, and I'm on Adobe Premiere and I'm like, do do

602
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:50,640
do do.

603
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:51,640
Oh look, yeah, look.

604
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:52,640
iMovie is free.

605
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,640
iMovie is free, exactly.

606
00:23:55,640 --> 00:24:01,920
I used the Adobe Premiere Pro free trial and then it expired.

607
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:02,920
Please sponsor me Adobe.

608
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:07,800
Yeah, so, and ever since I was young, I just loved stories.

609
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:11,960
I didn't do a lot of like co-curricular stuff, extra stuff growing up.

610
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:16,040
So a lot of the time I just spent in my bedroom with my toys, creating stories, being like,

611
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,360
I'm a teacher, I'm a doctor, like I'm a fireman or whatever.

612
00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:21,960
And so I just loved creating.

613
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:26,160
I would, I remember like my talent show for primary school and stuff and high school,

614
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,320
I would write these like little scripts, which were really bad.

615
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,600
I don't even know what they were like.

616
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,600
And I would cast my friends in them, but like I would never put them up because they were

617
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:35,600
terrible.

618
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,360
But I just enjoyed doing it, like the process of it.

619
00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:38,360
Yeah.

620
00:24:38,360 --> 00:24:42,800
I mean, that's the kind of way to do it.

621
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,960
And I think that if you deep search the internet, there is an 11 year old me somewhere on there

622
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:51,040
making my first ever short film.

623
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:55,920
I do love that as well because I feel like, you know, not a lot of kids, you know, like

624
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,480
think that that like was how you created stories back in the day.

625
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:03,920
So usually we don't talk about as adults that we sit in our bedrooms and just go, play with

626
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,200
our toys and go and make stories up.

627
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:10,360
Did you ever sort of consider writing as a, as an interest ever in your life?

628
00:25:10,360 --> 00:25:11,360
Absolutely.

629
00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:14,080
I remember like when I was young, maybe like seven, eight years old, like I was really

630
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:15,080
into like mystery books.

631
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:19,360
Like, I think it was like the Emily Rudder series or something that like I was really

632
00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:20,360
into.

633
00:25:20,360 --> 00:25:24,200
And so like for my mom's birthday, I literally wrote her a mystery like book and like printed

634
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,160
it and like stapled it together and stuff and gave it to her.

635
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,720
And then, you know, obviously I wrote fan fiction while I was in high school and stuff

636
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:30,720
like that.

637
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,520
And it was interesting because when I graduated high school, I remember my, my modern history

638
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,960
teacher saying to me, he was like, I think you're going to go into a career where you

639
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,000
have to write a lot because you're really good at writing.

640
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,000
Yeah.

641
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:46,840
So I guess I did consider and like being an actor, I would love to also, I mean, I have

642
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,240
always thought like, and people are always like create your own work and like it creates

643
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,240
so much pressure to be like, oh my God, create your own work.

644
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:53,920
And I'm like, but I don't even know how to produce.

645
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:54,920
I don't know how to direct.

646
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:55,920
Like I don't know how to do these things.

647
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,480
But I'm like, wait, but I did used to love writing.

648
00:25:58,480 --> 00:25:59,480
Like I can try.

649
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,480
And then I start, I get, I get quite overwhelmed.

650
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,160
I'm like, oh my God, like how do we even format a script?

651
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:05,160
I don't know.

652
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:06,160
Like I've never been taught that.

653
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:07,160
Yeah.

654
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:08,560
I mean, it's like, I taught myself as well.

655
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:12,320
It's one of those things that, and then I did get a course and that helped.

656
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,800
But I mean, like a lot of, a lot of the time, I mean, like I never, I, I remember doing

657
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,620
a directing course and I failed it.

658
00:26:18,620 --> 00:26:22,960
So it's like, that's always the fun thing is like, I remember I failed that course.

659
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:23,960
Didn't mean I gave up.

660
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:24,960
Yeah.

661
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:29,000
And I think, I think the thing is like, there's no right or wrong way to do things.

662
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,000
How do you fail directing?

663
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,000
Like, I don't understand that.

664
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,560
I mean, I was a very high curriculum and a very harsh teacher who had a very particular

665
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:35,560
way.

666
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:40,680
And I think a lot of us felt the pressure, which was, um, he didn't like my shot list,

667
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:41,680
which was one.

668
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,280
Um, he's, he said my floor plan was really good.

669
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,400
I was very happy about that.

670
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,920
And then the other thing he said was like, the characters were a little bit confusing

671
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:54,720
because I added stuff very last minute, which I thought, because I was panicked and like,

672
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:58,040
I remember thinking back later, I was like, oh, if I had not added this extra stuff, it

673
00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:59,040
would have been fine.

674
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,600
Like I probably would have done much better, but it was cause I panicked and it was like,

675
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,120
Oh, early twenties at the time.

676
00:27:04,120 --> 00:27:07,360
And I was like, Oh my God, I'm going to fail this if I don't like do as much as I can.

677
00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:08,360
So that was like my mentality.

678
00:27:08,360 --> 00:27:13,240
And then I ended up like, just, I did better in the theory than I did in the prac.

679
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,680
And but now it was like, you know, you learn off everyone else.

680
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:21,840
And I think there's a lot of, you know, like even recently I was in a scene and I had to

681
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,960
direct and it was my first time.

682
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:24,960
Um,

683
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:30,360
I'm going to, I love that the, the very subtle,

684
00:27:30,360 --> 00:27:35,920
No, not even, but I just was like, it was more out of my approval.

685
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:40,640
Um, but I think one of the hardest things I did recently was I had to direct myself

686
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,680
in a scene that I wrote.

687
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:48,840
And that was actually much harder because when you, I haven't acted in eight years,

688
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,800
that was a, that was a step that I hadn't done in a while.

689
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:56,520
And it was like rust, you know, shaking off the rust and remembering, Oh yeah, I do have

690
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:57,520
these skills.

691
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,520
Like I do have the ability to perform.

692
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,040
I've just forgotten like the sum of it.

693
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,800
And then I've just got to get, remember the basics and then build up.

694
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:10,320
Um, and it was very interesting because I was against amazing cast of people who were

695
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,380
all very supportive and, um, all at different stages.

696
00:28:13,380 --> 00:28:16,480
So it was like really good because we all challenged each other and then sort of like,

697
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,520
you know, it was very good to like react differently to each other.

698
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:25,080
Um, but yeah, like one of the things was that because I wasn't watching the coverage, I

699
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:26,840
didn't know what the shots would always look like.

700
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,520
So I just kind of had to, that was very nerve wracking.

701
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:30,520
My God.

702
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,320
So you were directing and acting at the same time.

703
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:33,320
That's insane.

704
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:34,320
I don't know how people do that.

705
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:35,320
You must be very talented.

706
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:40,120
I mean, like I'm, you know, I'm, I'm waiting till it all comes together and see how it

707
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:41,120
looks.

708
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,400
That's like, that's the thing that I feel about.

709
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:48,320
But yeah, like I feel when, especially when I love a scene, especially when I love, love

710
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:54,240
a project and I particularly always write things from a very sort of like my own vulnerability

711
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:55,240
perspective as well.

712
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,120
Um, and how I see the world.

713
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:01,280
And I think that it's always from a very genuine and honest place because I hate, right.

714
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,400
I hate when sort of like moments feel forced as well.

715
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:10,160
And in film or, you know, like, um, because a lot, a lot of the time you watch films and

716
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:15,120
TV and I feel like a lot of moments just kind of there as fodder or it's just to be like,

717
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:16,120
Hey, we did this.

718
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:20,320
I can say, well, no, I write characters that I kind of feel like do exist properly and

719
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,360
you know, it need to have a validation of care and, um, nurture.

720
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:28,560
And I think that a lot of the time, you know, like it's writing gray, flawed characters.

721
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,680
Um, but I love flawed characters.

722
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:32,680
They're the best.

723
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:33,680
Yeah, absolutely.

724
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,600
No one wants to watch a perfect person on screen.

725
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:36,600
No.

726
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:41,080
And I feel like, you know, whether I tend to write a lot of quick characters, which through

727
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:45,280
my own, no fault of my own, I just kind of identify a lot with them.

728
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:50,320
Um, yeah, it tends to be female or queer and, and like, whenever I write these scenes and

729
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,920
especially these characters, I always think of them as like how I remember friends growing

730
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:58,880
up, how I remember myself growing up and how I sort of like relate to other people and

731
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:03,040
how they talk to each other because I love what's always not said sometimes more than

732
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:04,120
what is said.

733
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,680
And I love avoiding conversations, like writing, avoiding conversations because they're so

734
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,920
fun to write, um, where people just go, no, I don't want to talk about this, but they

735
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:16,440
don't overtly say this is not like they just kind of move and, you know, switch around

736
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:17,440
things.

737
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:21,200
And I love those kinds of things because I feel like there's this people, um, it's like

738
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:31,400
my, um, my, um, think for a moment, um, uh, Em's father, um, sort of like often is very

739
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,800
literal and you know, 11 bits, but he was like, um, concerned because I wrote a bit,

740
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,720
I wrote something on Instagram, which was very much like how, you know, I was feeling

741
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:39,720
about the end of the year.

742
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:44,240
But, um, I sort of think I'm one of those people who opens the topic about mental health

743
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:48,240
and, you know, and about, you know, like burnout and stuff like that and how you feel about

744
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:49,240
things.

745
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,640
And I feel like a lot of people, especially, you know, not everyone of our generation does

746
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:57,080
that where it's like, Oh, we can avoid how we feel and that's easier.

747
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:01,360
You know, like, I mean, are you someone who's very vocal about how you feel and things or

748
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,360
are you very like avoidant?

749
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,360
I think I'm quite avoidant.

750
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:06,360
Really?

751
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:07,360
Yeah.

752
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:08,760
Like, like as in no, no.

753
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:09,760
Okay.

754
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,000
To myself, I will admit, right?

755
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,960
Like, and you know, just, you know, if the conversation comes up with, um, certain friends,

756
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,160
I will like, we'll talk about it, but it's not something that I bring up.

757
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:19,160
Interesting.

758
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,840
Yes, but I am very honest with myself about how I feel.

759
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:23,840
Interesting.

760
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,200
Do you, why, why is that the case?

761
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,800
Why, why I don't talk to other people about it?

762
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,120
Well, I just because, because, you know, I feel like everyone else has their own struggles

763
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:34,120
and stuff like that.

764
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,600
And, um, sometimes I'm just like, Oh, like, I don't want to, you know, impinge on their

765
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:38,600
day.

766
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:43,040
I don't want to be like, Hey, you know, let's have a conversation about how I'm feeling

767
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:44,040
right now.

768
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:45,040
Yeah.

769
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,520
I mean, like, but I'm a bit of a loner in that sense.

770
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:48,520
Yeah.

771
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:53,480
Do you feel like how, how do you feel like that's impacted you as an adult as well?

772
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,480
Um, I don't know.

773
00:31:55,480 --> 00:32:00,680
I guess I'll have to, I'll have to wait and see.

774
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:06,520
Like I feel like, um, yeah, I mean, I, like, I do talk to my friends about like certain

775
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,080
things if they really do bother me and like it'll come up.

776
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:14,280
Um, but I'm often not the kind of person who talks unless they're spoken to about these

777
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:15,280
things.

778
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:16,280
Really?

779
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:17,280
I find that's very interesting.

780
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:21,600
I mean, like, I guess I seem like a very open person and I am like, if someone asked me,

781
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,520
like, I'm absolutely happy to talk about it, right?

782
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,400
But I'm not going to be the one to bring up the conversation.

783
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:26,400
Interesting.

784
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:30,480
So you're always like, please ask, you know, yeah, like as in, Oh, I'll ask them how they're

785
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:31,480
doing and stuff.

786
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,320
And if that opens a conversation, then you know, but I don't, I don't ask them how they're

787
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:35,320
doing so I can talk about myself.

788
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:36,320
That's not, that's not.

789
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,520
I feel like there's, I feel like there would be a very selfish thing.

790
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,040
I just want to talk about me.

791
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,040
So shut up.

792
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,080
Let me take the fucking stage.

793
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,080
Okay.

794
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:46,080
Yeah.

795
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,920
And also I find it difficult also to talk to, well, actually look, a lot of my, like

796
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:54,480
if I have frustrations and stuff around, um, you know, what's going on, it really depends.

797
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:59,760
Like if it's stuff to do with, uh, like general things in my life, then I'll typically go

798
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,000
to my, like my friends who I've had for a long time.

799
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:06,720
If it's stuff, um, that's to do with my acting career or how I feel like, you know, at this

800
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:11,240
place in my career, then I will like tend not to go to my, um, you know, friends who

801
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,640
I have known for a long time because they're not in this career.

802
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,640
So it's hard for them to even understand it.

803
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,400
And you know, um, so I would have to go to my acting friends for that.

804
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:24,280
So yeah, sometimes when I do feel, you know, like a bit, like quite overwhelmed, I will

805
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:28,360
hit up, you know, my acting friends and be like, Hey, like, do you also feel like this

806
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:29,360
kind of thing?

807
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:33,200
Are there things that you felt overwhelmed you particularly about your career?

808
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:39,520
Oh, just like, um, sometimes when you like, okay, because we are in charge of our own

809
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:44,960
career because we're, you know, even, even though we have agents or managers or whatever,

810
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,600
you don't know when that next audition is going to come in.

811
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:50,640
And sometimes you could be, you know, have a lot of downtime and then it's like, well,

812
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,240
what do I do in my downtime kind of thing?

813
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,760
It's like, sometimes I feel overwhelmed with like, Oh, but should I be doing this?

814
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:56,760
Should I be doing that?

815
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,920
And it's like, well, why am I thinking, Oh, should I be doing this?

816
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,000
It should be like, I want to do this.

817
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,560
And so, and then sometimes I'm like, but should I be resting?

818
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,640
Because resting is obviously very important for creativity.

819
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,080
But then I'm just like, and then like, I had this whole discussion the other day with my,

820
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,960
um, my friend who was also an actor and I was just like, I don't know how to rest anymore.

821
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,200
I'm just like, I'm like, what is rest?

822
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,520
I was like, is rest like not looking at my screen?

823
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,260
Because like, you know, like even when I'm having rest days or whatever, I'm like looking

824
00:34:23,260 --> 00:34:25,600
at my phone or like watching Netflix or something.

825
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:26,920
And I'm like, how is that resting?

826
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:27,920
You know what I mean?

827
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,920
And I'm like, should I just be not doing anything at all?

828
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,400
But then I feel really weird just staring into space, but I'm like, but that's what I used

829
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:34,400
to do as a kid.

830
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,640
Just stare into space.

831
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:42,520
Just like stare into space and like, you know, find things to do that aren't staring at screens.

832
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:43,520
Yeah.

833
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,880
Cause you, are you like read books and stuff like that?

834
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:47,680
Do you sort of do that on your downtime?

835
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:52,680
Um, yes, I try to, but my attention span is just not very good.

836
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,800
I mean, do you have ADHD at all?

837
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:59,840
I mean, look, I've definitely like, like thought about it and like looked into the symptoms

838
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:03,960
and there's a lot that I'm like, maybe I have ADHD, but then I think about like how I grew

839
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,960
up and you know, like, um, I went to an academically selective school.

840
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,680
I was able to excel academically and stuff.

841
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:10,920
So I'm like, I don't think I have ADHD.

842
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,920
I'm like, I was able to focus and like get good marks and stuff.

843
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:21,240
ADHD has this wonderful ability to call hyper-focus, which you can do exceptionally well at things.

844
00:35:21,240 --> 00:35:22,240
Maybe, maybe.

845
00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:24,240
So maybe that was, maybe that was your hyper-focus.

846
00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:25,920
Maybe that, I mean, that's possible.

847
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,160
I've never, I've never really looked into it, but yeah.

848
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:33,400
No, cause like I, I, I f**k listening to you and I'm like, there's some traits there.

849
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:34,600
Um, definitely.

850
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,840
I mean like that's really interesting as well.

851
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:42,720
Like I feel, you know, because, because of the way I guess you've, you've grown up and

852
00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:44,880
you're very energetic and everything as well.

853
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:49,480
Um, but I do like, you know, I mean, what, what has been one of the biggest challenges

854
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,360
in your career of light?

855
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:52,360
What is it?

856
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:53,360
What has been something that you've gone?

857
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:58,480
Like, you know, this is not the trajectory I want to go or what way is it like, because

858
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,400
as a performer, you, you know, you talk about defining your own career.

859
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,600
What are things that you definitely don't want to go into in terms of your career?

860
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,720
Um, I don't think I have anything that I definitely don't want to.

861
00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:13,440
I'm very open to, um, exploring like all parts of this creative industry.

862
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,040
And I think there's so much exciting stuff and you don't know what's going to come around

863
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:17,040
the corner.

864
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:22,880
I think what is challenging for me specifically is as an Asian Australian, um, performer is,

865
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:27,880
you know, uh, breaking through into the industry and being like, Hey, um, you know, I deserve

866
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:33,080
to be, you know, a lead role or even, um, there's just not that many roles available

867
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:34,880
when you are a person of color.

868
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:35,880
Yeah.

869
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:36,880
Yeah.

870
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,240
God, there's you have to, well, it goes back to that thing about like accents and everything,

871
00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:45,040
which is just, you need to, you know, put on an accent and talk a certain way.

872
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:51,120
And I think, um, you know, it's, it's very interesting because I don't, I disagree with

873
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:57,640
entirely and I think that we need more like leads of different, you know, ethnic backgrounds.

874
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:58,640
Yeah.

875
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:02,680
And I mean, yes, there is a move towards, you know, seeing like, you know, and I love

876
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,280
seeing like Asian people in lead roles and stuff, but there never is more than one in

877
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,840
each friendship group, unless it's a show based around like Asian cultures, such as

878
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,600
like Kim's convenience or crazy rich Asians.

879
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:17,920
Um, yeah, like unless it's a show that's like centered around an Asian family or an

880
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,680
Asian friend group, there's never going to be more than one Asian.

881
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:27,160
God, no, it was like, um, it's like Ryan Chang's, like, um, when he was in a, was he in uni

882
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:28,720
and he did that uni comedy series.

883
00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:29,720
That was great.

884
00:37:29,720 --> 00:37:30,720
It was so good.

885
00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:35,000
But he was, he was literally like the only Asian kid in that group of friends.

886
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,000
Right.

887
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,000
Exactly.

888
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,000
There was like not many.

889
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,000
Yeah.

890
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,000
And I absolutely, um, experienced that growing up.

891
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,000
Yeah.

892
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:47,200
I mean, like, do you feel like now as well, you know, cause it's like, I want to talk

893
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,960
a bit about this because I think this is very true as well in, in Western society.

894
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:56,880
And it's kind of like, we beauty, we sort of beautify the Asian look and everything.

895
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,960
And then we think it's very elegant because it's like, does an age or, you know, like

896
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:02,520
people think about it like that.

897
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,240
Does that irritate you at all?

898
00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:06,200
Um, no, not particularly.

899
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,560
I, I'm not, I'm not irritated by the fact that I never age.

900
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:12,600
I am a mortal and therefore get fucked.

901
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:13,600
I am a mortal.

902
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:14,600
I am a vampire.

903
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,600
Your dream is a childless country.

904
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:23,000
Asians don't raise it.

905
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:30,320
I'm not irritated by that, but you know, um, I, I, I find there is still a bit of a, like

906
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:36,000
a hypersexualization of, um, especially Asian females in the Western world, which, you know,

907
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:40,400
comes from like the colonization of Asian countries and all that kind of stuff.

908
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:45,080
So yeah, you know, beating those kind of stereotypes as well, which I think we are moving in a

909
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:51,120
direction where we, um, you know, I don't really see that stereotype played out in media

910
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:52,120
anymore.

911
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:53,120
Yeah.

912
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,920
I haven't seen it probably in the last like 10 years, which is, you know, 2010 kind of

913
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:58,880
felt like it was the cap off period.

914
00:38:58,880 --> 00:38:59,880
Yes.

915
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:05,440
But I think, I think that kind of media, because it was so prevalent before, I think it still

916
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:12,480
really does impact, um, you know, the, the viewpoints of people in society because especially

917
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:17,520
when I was in Europe, I found a lot of people cat calling me on the street by saying, by

918
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,560
saying like, ni hao and stuff like that.

919
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:20,560
Wow.

920
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:21,560
It was very disturbing.

921
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:22,560
Yeah.

922
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,480
I mean, it's interesting that you talk about hypersexualization as well, because it's the

923
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,960
difference between like being sexual or being like beautiful.

924
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:35,360
Like this is the thing I talk about as a photographer as well, which is like, because my, my, my

925
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:40,920
love for photography and like this really nice lady who we dogs hit for brought me,

926
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,400
um, brought over her friend's books because she knows I'm into photography.

927
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,720
And one of them is about like a nude photographer's career, like talks about it.

928
00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:54,560
Um, and it's just like, he spent, I think 40 or 50 years just asking people and paying

929
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,960
people to like, you know, just be like, do you want to earn some money to do some new

930
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,260
photography would post an article in the paper back when you did that.

931
00:40:01,260 --> 00:40:05,080
And so an article would go like a little snippet would go out and he'd get, you know, a few

932
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:06,360
phone calls and people would do it.

933
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:07,360
Wow.

934
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,320
And I thought, you know, I think that the thing is like, now we say about this as art

935
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,800
is I never looked through the sexualization lens.

936
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:13,800
I never looked through that.

937
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,960
I always look at it like through beauty or elegance.

938
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,000
Um, there's particularly how a few human body looks.

939
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:21,000
It's very elegant.

940
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,400
It's very like, you know, different body shapes and everything is very nice.

941
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:25,560
And I hate art.

942
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:31,240
I particularly hate when artists sort of like Photoshop too much out or like they, I only

943
00:40:31,240 --> 00:40:33,400
use Lightroom, so I only change colors.

944
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,600
So you basically hate everything on Instagram.

945
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:36,600
Yeah, basically.

946
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:37,600
Yeah.

947
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:38,600
So it's just fucking awful place.

948
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:44,160
Um, if anyone looks at my Instagram and you want to know how I do photography, I am very

949
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:45,720
like basic.

950
00:40:45,720 --> 00:40:47,040
I am very basic.

951
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,000
What I've captured in camera is generally what it is.

952
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,000
And so I love that.

953
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,640
Well, it's always how I don't like being overly edited.

954
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:54,640
I don't like that at all.

955
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,880
No, but I think that it's like those photos that are in talk of you.

956
00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:58,880
They're great.

957
00:40:58,880 --> 00:40:59,880
I love those.

958
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:00,880
They're beautiful.

959
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:01,880
He doesn't know that.

960
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:07,600
And, um, he's just like, we share very similar, um, the identical values because like, and

961
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,880
we often have this joke of, are we the same person?

962
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:11,400
It's very sweet.

963
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,600
But I mean, like, you know, we, we do think a lot of the time that I think when you look

964
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:21,480
at Instagram and the oversaturization of beauty and elegance, it does become distorted of

965
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:26,760
just, you know, um, how we view everything is particularly like actors and female actors

966
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:31,240
because it does go back to that sexualization where it's like, Oh, okay.

967
00:41:31,240 --> 00:41:34,080
You could be wearing something that's a bit more revealing.

968
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:35,960
Well, that's just inappropriate.

969
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,800
Or, you know, isn't she hot?

970
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:47,040
Like that to me is baffling as well, because I feel, I dunno, I just find it weird, especially

971
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,400
now because it's 2022 people.

972
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:51,400
Yeah.

973
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,680
It's like societal expectations about how women should behave.

974
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:54,680
Yeah.

975
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:55,680
Yeah.

976
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,620
I mean, like, you know, I, do you feel like you, you know, still to this day, do you dress

977
00:41:59,620 --> 00:42:04,680
more how like you want than you used to, or do you feel like you dress more for society?

978
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:09,160
It's so funny because I remember, um, I mean, I feel like, um, especially when I was in

979
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:16,600
high school, I was quite, um, confident and outgoing, like to start with, um, to start

980
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:17,600
with.

981
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:18,600
And now I'm, I, now I hate myself.

982
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:19,600
No, I'm joking.

983
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:20,600
I'm joking.

984
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:24,240
Now I'm a fucking introvert and no one loves me and get fucked.

985
00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:28,080
But, um, like when I was in high school, like, you know, I dressed the way I wanted to.

986
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,200
I, when I was in year seven, I wore blue Island every single day to school because that's

987
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,160
how I like to express myself.

988
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:39,940
And I had a side ponytail and you know, and before this was, you know, before, you know,

989
00:42:39,940 --> 00:42:46,440
people discovered feminism, I guess, um, because people, oh, cause also I made my skirt kind

990
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,480
of short because I was like, I didn't like the long skirts.

991
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:49,680
I was like, I want to wear a short skirt.

992
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,720
So my mom helped me have my skirt.

993
00:42:51,720 --> 00:42:53,160
Anyway, that's very sweet of her.

994
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:54,160
That is very sweet.

995
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:55,160
And obviously she did not care.

996
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:56,160
Right.

997
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,560
And so, you know, it's fine, like you can express yourself however you like, but people

998
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:03,320
at school, I went to an old girl school, they took an issue with this.

999
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,760
And yes, I was caught a slut.

1000
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,240
Um, yeah, a lot of horrible things.

1001
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:11,760
And I mean, at the time I was just kind of like, I don't really see the issue kind of

1002
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:12,760
thing.

1003
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,400
Um, and you know, now that kind of stuff would never fly.

1004
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,400
No one would ever call you a slut for wearing a short skirt, obviously.

1005
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:24,200
No, I mean, like you, has anyone ever heard of the mini skirt and like, you know, anything

1006
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:25,200
like that, that were huge.

1007
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:26,200
Right.

1008
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:30,480
Um, I think they came back in the resurgence a few years back and then they sort of disappeared.

1009
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:31,480
Yeah.

1010
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:32,480
I mean, yeah.

1011
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:36,640
I mean, I think, I think to an extent we are always influenced by society in the way we

1012
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,880
dress because it's like the hottest trends or whatever.

1013
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,960
And I do like, I love fashion.

1014
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:48,440
So like, I think I am very influenced by trends around me and stuff, my environment, my friends,

1015
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:53,120
my peers, like, um, you know, Instagram and stuff like that.

1016
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:58,200
So whether or not my style is my own or whether it's informed by society, I think it's a mix.

1017
00:43:58,200 --> 00:43:59,200
Yeah.

1018
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:00,200
Yeah.

1019
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,560
I mean, I like that as well because I, I'm a bit of a mix as well.

1020
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:07,480
Like I used to dress very like in suits a few years back and then now it's sort of like,

1021
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:08,960
Wow, I can't even imagine that.

1022
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,400
I love, I, for years I loved wearing suits and it was just kind of like the thing.

1023
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,040
And now I just kind of like go to Dangerfield or Princess Highway.

1024
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:16,960
I fucking love Dangerfield.

1025
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:17,960
How good is it?

1026
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:18,960
Oh my God.

1027
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:19,960
Yeah.

1028
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:20,960
Big fan.

1029
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:25,240
I think it's also like, um, you know, and it does go back to that sort of thing where

1030
00:44:25,240 --> 00:44:28,880
it's like, you know, gender conformities and everything and how we dress.

1031
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,400
Um, and I don't really get bothered by it as much anymore.

1032
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:37,640
I used to be, you know, like when I was probably like 12, um, my parents gave me a kilt and

1033
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,000
I, I fucking love a kilt.

1034
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,000
I love a skirt.

1035
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:41,000
They're great to wear.

1036
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:42,000
Nice and breezy.

1037
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,000
They're so breezy.

1038
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:44,000
So easy to pee in.

1039
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:45,000
Yes.

1040
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:46,000
Right?

1041
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:47,000
Oh my God.

1042
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,000
And pants are just a pain.

1043
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,840
Yes, except for when you're forced to wear a skirt in school, like throughout winter.

1044
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:52,840
Yeah.

1045
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:57,160
I don't think, I think it's like now, it's particularly like, you know, in a few years

1046
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,820
when I have kids, um, that is something and I'm going to make sure that they actually

1047
00:45:00,820 --> 00:45:03,840
have the option and they go to a school where there's an option.

1048
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,320
You know, they don't get forced to be like, it's winter.

1049
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:08,600
You have to wear a skirt.

1050
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:12,640
Look, my school did have an option to wear pants, but, um, if you did, you'll probably

1051
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:13,640
be called a loser.

1052
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:14,640
So no one did.

1053
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,640
Well, that's the tamest way to be.

1054
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,040
Which school did you go to?

1055
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:20,560
I went to Sydney Girls High School.

1056
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:26,280
Ah, this explains everything.

1057
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:27,640
I do like Sydney Girls High School.

1058
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,160
I know, like I know a few things.

1059
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:36,280
I don't want to rip on it too much, but no, it's like, yeah, I feel like schools, schools

1060
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,440
nowadays have kind of stripped that all.

1061
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,240
Yes, it's a different time now.

1062
00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:41,240
Yeah.

1063
00:45:41,240 --> 00:45:46,760
Because like, you know, kids these days, like, you know, watching so much stuff that is different

1064
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:48,960
representations of everyone.

1065
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,520
And I feel like everyone just goes to school and they're kind of like non gender conformative

1066
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:53,520
every everything.

1067
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:58,480
And I'm like, good, this is the society we need to be rather than very black and white

1068
00:45:58,480 --> 00:45:59,640
society we were before.

1069
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:00,640
Yeah.

1070
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:04,240
But it's interesting because I mean, Sydney in particular is still very much divided into

1071
00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:06,920
boys, boys schools and girls schools.

1072
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,480
That's much more common than co-educational schools.

1073
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:10,480
Yes.

1074
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,320
Although I will say this, I went to a co-ed school and it was the best thing for me.

1075
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:17,560
Like I fucking hate men so much.

1076
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,920
Even though I'm bi, I'm just think like, I'm like, nah, I hate them.

1077
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:21,920
They suck.

1078
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:23,920
They're only pretty to look at, but that's about as extensive.

1079
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,640
I mean, I would hate to go to a boys school.

1080
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,360
I can't even imagine how horrible it would be.

1081
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:28,360
Yeah.

1082
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:34,360
I mean, there's also like, there is something about like, I guess like toxic masculinity

1083
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:40,160
as well, which I talk a lot about, but it's very interesting because I remember like being

1084
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:44,200
year eight and there was this huge, I was very private kid.

1085
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,440
Like I was like kept to myself and I was very shy.

1086
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:51,960
So I was like, I don't want to talk to anyone about like anything to do with sex or sexualization

1087
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:52,960
or anything like that.

1088
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,720
I remember like there was like, I was sitting at the grip of the table in maths class and

1089
00:46:56,720 --> 00:47:00,520
all the boys were like, oh yeah, no, you know, like talking about penises because you know,

1090
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,920
what are kids normally talking about?

1091
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,960
They just talk about their dicks half the time.

1092
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:07,200
And then that was all they were doing.

1093
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:11,120
And they just kind of like all targeted me and was like, do you, do you touch yours?

1094
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:12,120
I bet he doesn't.

1095
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:13,120
I bet he doesn't.

1096
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,000
And that was like the most, and I just felt so embarrassed.

1097
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,880
I was like, I don't want to talk about this, but it's interesting now being an adult and

1098
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:24,240
I just don't give two shits because everyone has organs.

1099
00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:25,240
Everyone does it.

1100
00:47:25,240 --> 00:47:26,240
Yeah.

1101
00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:27,240
Fucking hell.

1102
00:47:27,240 --> 00:47:28,240
You know what was interesting?

1103
00:47:28,240 --> 00:47:30,880
It's like, you know, at boys schools, I mean, I'm not talking about now.

1104
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,520
I'm talking about when I was in high school, you know, like the boys always openly talked

1105
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:35,520
about sex.

1106
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,920
You know, talked about how they watch porn and stuff.

1107
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:42,520
But at the girls school, we would never really openly talk about, you know, masturbation.

1108
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:47,480
We would openly talk about sex, but not masturbation, like female pleasure, right?

1109
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:51,640
That was like such a, such a taboo subject that we would only talk about with like amongst

1110
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:52,640
our friends.

1111
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,080
And it was still kind of like, there was shame surrounding it.

1112
00:47:55,080 --> 00:48:00,160
Whereas like, I feel like the stigma and like taboo-ness of like female pleasure now is

1113
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,960
also, you know, it's, it's, there's not really much of a stigma around it.

1114
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:04,960
I don't think so.

1115
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,080
I think a lot of people, you know, talk very openly about it.

1116
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,200
I know so many of my female friends that talk about it.

1117
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:15,240
Like, and I just, I think it was a taboo.

1118
00:48:15,240 --> 00:48:17,640
I think there still is a taboo with some people.

1119
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:18,640
I think, absolutely.

1120
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:22,440
I think some women don't want to talk about masturbation and that is totally okay.

1121
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:28,120
But I, I do think it's like, you know, female pleasure and especially, you know, it is such

1122
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:29,120
a natural thing.

1123
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:30,280
It's like, to be ashamed about.

1124
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:34,480
No, but it's interesting because we talk about like, um, I think, I think the way I always

1125
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:40,320
sort of like mentally approach sex as well, especially growing up was always like, as

1126
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:44,880
long as my partner was having a good time, that's the main priority.

1127
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:49,560
And I've dated, um, I've dated a majority of women, but I've always found like, that

1128
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,960
was my sort of making sure they had a, you know, a good, nice time.

1129
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:54,120
They've enjoyed it.

1130
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,960
It's not, you know, you're not thinking, oh, it needs to be perfect.

1131
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:02,000
Cause I think it's the other side of it, the coin, which is like, you know, the pressure

1132
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:07,360
of always being perfect, um, with sex and, you know, especially like, you know, there,

1133
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:11,080
there's definitely been some relationships where I'm like, you know, the, this wasn't

1134
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:15,280
the best, but you know, the relationship itself, the emotional connection was great.

1135
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:20,720
So that kind of counteracted to being okay sex, like, and I feel like that's kind of

1136
00:49:20,720 --> 00:49:26,120
a common conversation that I felt like wasn't had at school, but yeah, I remember nothing

1137
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:31,920
talked about female pleasure in sex ed, nothing talked about like safety for women as well.

1138
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,560
A contraception other than just condoms.

1139
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,480
Like that was not a thing.

1140
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:42,760
Um, and yeah, it was like the idea was a lot of, um, a lot of girls that I've met now have

1141
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,400
a lot of like, um, health conditions.

1142
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:50,680
And so that does impede on some, uh, you know, uh, satisfaction and stuff like that.

1143
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,200
So I, no one talks about that.

1144
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,120
You hear about it from your doctor for the first time.

1145
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:56,400
You're like, what on earth is that?

1146
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:57,400
Yeah.

1147
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:01,440
I mean, like, do you, do you like, and I also feel like, you know, I guess because when

1148
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,480
you go to, I think it happens also in co-ed schools.

1149
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,640
And I remember like, you know, they were like, no sex before marriage kind of thing.

1150
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:08,640
It was very like Christian.

1151
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:09,640
Oh my God.

1152
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:10,640
No, we did not have that talk.

1153
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:14,440
I mean, there was a little bit of talk in my high school, like in my primary school

1154
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:15,440
more so than my high schools.

1155
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:16,440
Right.

1156
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:17,440
Was it a Christian school?

1157
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,040
No, it wasn't even, it was a public school.

1158
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:20,040
That's fucking weird.

1159
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:21,040
It was because we went to like-

1160
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,160
They were telling you not to have sex before marriage when you were like eight year old

1161
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:24,160
kids?

1162
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:25,160
Yeah.

1163
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:26,160
I know.

1164
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:27,600
I was like, look, sex ed came like a little bit after that.

1165
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:31,560
So, you know, like I remember the first time I like, I saw a tampon and I was like, I think

1166
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,960
I was in year six and I was like, what is this?

1167
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:36,440
They're also horrifying to this day.

1168
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:37,840
They're like, I don't know why.

1169
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:38,840
I hate tampons.

1170
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:40,320
I don't use them.

1171
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,320
I don't know anyone who does.

1172
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:47,440
They're, I mean, like you can have diseases from them, like toxic shock syndrome and all

1173
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:48,440
that kind of stuff.

1174
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:49,440
Like, I don't know why you would use them.

1175
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:50,440
No, they just sound awful.

1176
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:51,440
No.

1177
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:56,920
But I mean, like, do you, I love that you were so up in arms about like no sex before

1178
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:57,920
marriage.

1179
00:50:57,920 --> 00:50:58,920
What the fuck is wrong with you?

1180
00:50:58,920 --> 00:50:59,920
What are you indoctrinating these kids with?

1181
00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:00,920
I don't understand.

1182
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,920
They can have sex whenever they fucking want.

1183
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:05,920
I know.

1184
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:10,560
But isn't it, isn't it a very kind of weird thing because I, I like, I was such a, you

1185
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:15,080
know, with, with my sort of like sex life and everything, I was very quiet about it

1186
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:22,200
until probably about 18, 18, 19 is kind of like when things kicked off for me.

1187
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,640
But I remember like, you know, one of the taboos that I had a conversation with a lot

1188
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:29,080
and you know, everyone, this is probably the first time I ever announced these facts on

1189
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,000
podcast, but I was 22.

1190
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,920
I was 22 the first time I in quotes had sex.

1191
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:35,920
Right.

1192
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:37,720
Because also, you know, like what is sex?

1193
00:51:37,720 --> 00:51:41,360
People usually define sex as like male and female intercourse, right?

1194
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:42,360
Yeah.

1195
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:43,360
Yeah.

1196
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:48,000
So I was like, you know, quote unquote, that's, that's what I apparently had it.

1197
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:52,440
And I look back at it now and I'm like, Oh no, it was way before that.

1198
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:57,160
But I mean, like, you know, it's very interesting that I feel like that's kind of what we lay

1199
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:58,160
the grounds with.

1200
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,520
And it's so backwards and so wrong.

1201
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:06,200
Um, because God, I remember like, you know, if I really thought about it, and like the

1202
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:09,280
first orgasm I ever had was probably when I was 14, 15.

1203
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:10,280
Wow.

1204
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,640
And it was like, you know, and I didn't know what it was.

1205
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,680
I was like, this feels nice.

1206
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:15,900
This is the thing.

1207
00:52:15,900 --> 00:52:19,880
This is what you do with yourself, but you don't think of it and go as an adult.

1208
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:20,880
This is not normal.

1209
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:21,880
Right.

1210
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:22,880
Yeah.

1211
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:27,160
And, and another side of that coin is also asexuality, which is getting a little bit more

1212
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:31,840
representation now in like, you know, in like young adult books in, um, I watched Heartbreak

1213
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:33,680
High recently where a character was asexual.

1214
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,520
And I was like, I've never seen that kind of character on screens before.

1215
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:38,000
And I think that is so important.

1216
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:39,000
Yeah.

1217
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:40,000
I love, I love that.

1218
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:44,640
I remember meeting, um, when I was probably about 23, I remember a friend who was asexual

1219
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,560
and, and they just were not interested in anyone.

1220
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,560
And I was like, cool, cool.

1221
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:51,120
And I mean, like, that doesn't always the case.

1222
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:55,040
Like some people who are asexual are interested emotionally in people, but yeah, it's like,

1223
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:56,640
it was very interesting conversation.

1224
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:00,680
And he was just like, yeah, no, I'm very happy by myself and you know, this, this is my life.

1225
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:02,160
And I'm like, cool, you do you.

1226
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:03,160
Yeah.

1227
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:07,280
And I mean, I think it can be very hard to be like asexual in a world where it like hookup

1228
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:08,720
culture is such a big thing.

1229
00:53:08,720 --> 00:53:09,720
Right.

1230
00:53:09,720 --> 00:53:12,440
Like you might feel like, oh, well, why don't I want to do that kind of thing?

1231
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:13,440
What was it?

1232
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:14,440
What was it like?

1233
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:18,280
Because with yourself and everything, when did you sort of like, what was your experimentation?

1234
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,040
Did you have a big experimentation few years or is it?

1235
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:24,760
No, because like, yeah, it's like, so I mean, I bring up the asexual thing because, because

1236
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,400
I go through like bouts where I'm like, am I asexual?

1237
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:28,400
Like why don't I like anybody?

1238
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:29,400
Like, why am I not interested in anybody?

1239
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,400
Like, why do I just want to be by myself?

1240
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:33,400
Yeah.

1241
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:34,400
You know?

1242
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:35,400
Yeah.

1243
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:36,400
So I think, no, not really.

1244
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,240
Like I don't really conform to like hookup culture or any of that kind of stuff.

1245
00:53:39,240 --> 00:53:43,600
And I think, yeah, I think that was also like a thing where I was like, am I weird?

1246
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:44,600
Am I abnormal?

1247
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,560
Because I don't want to do these things that everyone else or my friends are doing it.

1248
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:48,560
You know?

1249
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:49,560
Yeah.

1250
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,480
So I think, you know, it's interesting.

1251
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,880
Have you ever like done the dating apps at all?

1252
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:56,080
Oh, yes, I have.

1253
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,120
And have they been a good or a bad experience?

1254
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,120
I'm not particularly good, no.

1255
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:01,120
I'm like horrifying.

1256
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:02,120
They're like the worst.

1257
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:03,120
Oh my God.

1258
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:04,420
I don't like them.

1259
00:54:04,420 --> 00:54:06,520
People say weird things on there.

1260
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:07,520
Yeah.

1261
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:11,840
And it's just, it's so, I don't understand how you can form connections.

1262
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:12,840
Yeah.

1263
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,920
Like I just, it just seems like you're adding things to your shopping cart and never checking

1264
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:17,920
out or something like that.

1265
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:18,920
Yeah.

1266
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:22,760
And I think, you know, I like that you sort of mentioned that thing about being asexual

1267
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:27,080
or like suspecting it, you know, because you might feel weird or anything like that.

1268
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:28,840
I think it's very normal.

1269
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:29,840
It's very normal.

1270
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:34,000
Like, I mean, what, what were the defining traits that you thought this could be asexuality

1271
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:35,000
for you?

1272
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,960
Well, just like going years without like dating anybody or even like wanting to date anybody.

1273
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:40,420
Yeah, right.

1274
00:54:40,420 --> 00:54:42,040
So it was like just completely no interest.

1275
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,200
I mean, like, no interest.

1276
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:49,720
Because I feel like there's a misunderstanding, a misconception about what asexuality is as

1277
00:54:49,720 --> 00:54:50,720
well.

1278
00:54:50,720 --> 00:54:52,940
It doesn't mean you don't have a sex drive at all.

1279
00:54:52,940 --> 00:54:57,760
And I feel like, you know, that's the other side of the coin where people kind of go,

1280
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,800
well, what that means you just don't like anyone.

1281
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:04,760
It's like, you just don't, you know, you just might not want to date or you might not

1282
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:06,920
want to connect with anyone in that.

1283
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,040
But I mean, like, you know, that's the thing.

1284
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,440
Do you then like have to explain to people?

1285
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,320
It's like, oh no, I am actually also.

1286
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,000
I do have a sex drive.

1287
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:19,160
You know, I don't explain anything to anybody because no one deserves no one deserves an

1288
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:20,160
answer to that.

1289
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:23,680
But like, it's weird because as like, as a single woman in society, people will always

1290
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:27,800
be like, oh, like, you know, why don't you like talk to that guy or like, you know, yeah,

1291
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:28,800
oh, I can set you up.

1292
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:30,080
And I'm like, I'm very cool.

1293
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,640
Like being single, like, why do I have to be attached to somebody?

1294
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:33,640
Yeah.

1295
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:38,240
I mean, so I think that's when I start to feel a bit like, okay, just leave me alone.

1296
00:55:38,240 --> 00:55:39,800
I want to be a loner.

1297
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:40,800
Oh my God.

1298
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:41,800
I love that.

1299
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:47,360
I like that you say it's also no one else's business because it's such a.

1300
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:49,000
It's a two sided coin really.

1301
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:54,440
But I mean, like, do you feel like you've found more people who are like, you know,

1302
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:56,040
more recently that are similar?

1303
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:57,040
Yeah, absolutely.

1304
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,240
Like, um, I think one of my best friends is like that.

1305
00:55:59,240 --> 00:56:04,480
We've had conversations like that because we both sort of like, um, there was, yeah,

1306
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:08,680
we both sort of left our first relationships at the same time, like in the same period

1307
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:09,680
of time.

1308
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,880
Like three years without dating anybody and she also, she went probably like four or five

1309
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:13,880
years without dating anybody.

1310
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:19,160
Um, and yeah, and I think we both had conversations where we're just like, you know, you know,

1311
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:21,160
this is how we feel and it's okay.

1312
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:22,160
Yeah.

1313
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:26,560
I mean, that's like, you know, it's one of those things cause like my old flatmate was

1314
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:30,520
demisexual, which if people don't understand that you have to have an emotional attachment

1315
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:33,760
and it's not like you, you also don't conform to the hookup culture.

1316
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:37,320
It's actually a little bit off the spectrum of asexual where you, you know, but you have

1317
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,520
a deeper, and then, and then there's like pansexual.

1318
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:45,920
There's like all sorts of like, not just straight heteronormative senses.

1319
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:47,280
Not everybody is hypersexual.

1320
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:53,680
No, it's, it's, it's funny as well because I think since taking, I take, um, anti-anxiety

1321
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:59,720
meds and, and that has put my sexual, like sexual drive lower, but even before then I

1322
00:56:59,720 --> 00:57:00,840
didn't have a high one.

1323
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:05,840
I've never had a high one and I could not understand for the life of me guys and being

1324
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:07,600
like constantly talking about sex.

1325
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:09,480
And I was like, this is boring.

1326
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,040
This is actually really boring.

1327
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:13,560
It must be very hard.

1328
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:19,040
Um, uh, like for male identifying people because, because a lot of them, you know, a lot of

1329
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:22,040
that culture is like, oh yeah, like we talk about sex all the time.

1330
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,920
All we do is think about sex when that's not the case.

1331
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:25,920
Yeah.

1332
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:26,920
Right.

1333
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:30,960
Like, and yeah, I mean, I know a lot of, um, like my male identifying friends who are not

1334
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:34,640
hypersexual or always thinking about sex or like watching porn.

1335
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:39,640
I mean, like I think always like porn was one of those conversations that I didn't watch

1336
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:40,640
porn growing up.

1337
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:42,240
I don't understand why people did.

1338
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:43,680
I never did.

1339
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:49,720
I, I like literally my version of porn, which I think was the most cute thing in the world.

1340
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:55,720
And I remember telling, um, Emily and my partner about this was like just watching romantic

1341
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:57,480
scenes in movies.

1342
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:02,440
That was my version of porn because it was like, it was like connection that I love.

1343
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:03,440
Yes.

1344
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:04,440
And you don't get that in porn.

1345
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:05,440
No.

1346
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:09,440
You get the pizza boy coming along and going, Hey, do you want my slice?

1347
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,040
That's great writing.

1348
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:14,600
The pepperonis in there.

1349
00:58:14,600 --> 00:58:16,680
Look, come on.

1350
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:18,400
Look it's so easy to write porn.

1351
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:19,400
Oh my God.

1352
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:23,840
But I mean, like it's also kind of like, yeah, it's, it's one of those sort of things that

1353
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:28,560
I think, you know, growing up completely, I removed myself from.

1354
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:32,640
And I think as an adult, that's why I have sort of always been like very weeded out by

1355
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:39,400
more like particularly friends who talk a lot about, you know, um, just from a male

1356
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:40,800
gaze as well.

1357
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:45,440
They talk about like, you know, sex and, you know, it does happen also like in some of

1358
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:51,040
my, um, female identifying friends, um, or, um, cis female friends, they do talk about

1359
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:54,640
like, you know, that culture as well.

1360
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:56,720
And they talk highly about sex a lot as well.

1361
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:58,020
And that's fine.

1362
00:58:58,020 --> 00:59:02,600
But I do find a little bit like I mostly, if I ever talk about sex in depth, it is

1363
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:07,640
always with like one of my best friends where it's just like, yeah, it's like, you know,

1364
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:09,120
that conversation opens up.

1365
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:15,360
But I do feel like it's, it's a weird, it's, it's only been, I feel like our generation,

1366
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:19,320
particularly like the nineties kids, you know, even though we're like, we're not that many

1367
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:20,320
years apart.

1368
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:25,560
Like I think about six years, six years difference, but you know, I do feel like there was a sort

1369
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:29,400
of like disappearance in the nineties of like what normalization of sex was.

1370
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:34,800
And it varied the cis society that is, is now kind of gone into this very like, you

1371
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:38,240
know, a banner of everything is everything.

1372
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:41,800
And you know, you, we live in this very flexible society because it's very interesting because

1373
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:46,680
my cousin's kids talk a lot about like, and they're once that once 13.

1374
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:51,920
And I think that, you know, that's really interesting conversations to come my way.

1375
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:52,920
What did they say?

1376
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:53,920
Oh, sorry.

1377
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:55,920
I'm waiting for a burp to slide up my throat.

1378
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:56,920
I need a drink.

1379
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:58,920
No, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it.

1380
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:05,440
It was very funny because it was just going, I was like, fuck you.

1381
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:09,880
But I know they, they identify as non-binary and they're 13.

1382
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:13,520
So they, and they just talk a lot about like being queer at such an early age.

1383
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:15,280
And I'm like, that's great.

1384
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:16,280
That's amazing.

1385
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:19,720
But you know, like, because I remember not discovering anything about myself.

1386
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:21,800
I never even heard of that term when I was 13.

1387
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:26,640
Like when did you feel like you were comfortable in your own skin when you like as a person,

1388
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:29,600
not just as a performer, when did you feel like that was a thing for you?

1389
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:31,840
God, I feel like I'm discovering that every single day.

1390
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:32,840
You know what I mean?

1391
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:39,440
Like I feel like, you know, you go through like periods of, I guess, sort of like, if

1392
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,600
I can picture it, it's like a caterpillar turning into a butterfly kind of thing.

1393
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:45,640
And I feel like there's so many different cycles of that in your life, right?

1394
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:47,880
Like at one point in my life, I'd be like, oh, I feel so comfortable.

1395
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:49,160
And then I'll discover something else about myself.

1396
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:50,960
And I'm like, oh, I need to look into that.

1397
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:54,620
And then you'd go through that whole process of a caterpillar becoming a butterfly again.

1398
01:00:54,620 --> 01:00:58,760
And it just like, you know, I feel like every, every few years that happens.

1399
01:00:58,760 --> 01:00:59,760
Yeah.

1400
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:03,480
Right now I feel quite comfortable with who I am, which, you know, I'm fortunate to say,

1401
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:04,480
but who knows?

1402
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,760
Like maybe I'll have another crisis and realize something else about myself.

1403
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,760
And I'd be like, oh my God, now there's something I need to explore as well.

1404
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:10,760
You know?

1405
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:11,760
Wow.

1406
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:12,760
Yeah.

1407
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:16,200
I mean, that's good because it sounds like you've grounded yourself very much in, in

1408
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:18,480
who you are in the moment as well.

1409
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,720
Because I do like, I do like that, you know, it goes back to that fashion thing and, you

1410
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:26,560
know, and like, I feel like everything that you said today as well was, you know, just

1411
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:30,840
combinating the fact that you're always like learning and self-improving, but also understanding.

1412
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:33,280
Well, I think as humans, we always evolve.

1413
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:38,400
Like, you know, that's, yes, but not all of us, not all of us.

1414
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:39,400
That's correct.

1415
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:44,160
Um, but I mean, like, you know, do you feel like that's affected you also as a, like,

1416
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:48,120
as a person, as a performer of things that you want to do when things that you're very

1417
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:49,320
passionate about?

1418
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:54,800
Because you know, like, I know, I know you and I create crazy content, but, um, or, or

1419
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:57,760
a plan to play, um, make a lot of weird ass things.

1420
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:03,520
But, but I mean, like as a performance, you, you know, does that with each learning experience,

1421
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:08,280
do you think you've sort of like brought something away, um, with you or, or for the next project

1422
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:09,280
that you want to do?

1423
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:10,280
What have you think you've learned?

1424
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:14,840
Yeah, I think, um, you know, I always want to bring like my authenticity, like my authentic

1425
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:16,600
self to everything that I do.

1426
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:20,520
Sometimes, you know, and that might look different, like this year compared to next year, like

1427
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:23,000
I could be, I could be, I mean, not a completely different person.

1428
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:24,000
That would be really weird.

1429
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:28,280
Like if I was a completely different person, then you're not even like yourself.

1430
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:32,440
Who's this Liz Lin?

1431
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:35,160
Um, but yeah.

1432
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:39,680
And I think, uh, as well growing up, I think I just become more and more, I'm in touch

1433
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:43,960
with my culture and more comfortable with my culture and what that means for me as well.

1434
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:50,520
Yeah, cause I do like that you sort of like go yearly back home and it's not lately because

1435
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:52,320
China won't let foreigners in at the moment.

1436
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:54,760
And I'm technically a foreigner cause I'm not a Chinese citizen.

1437
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:56,360
Well, that's fucked.

1438
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:57,720
Yeah, I know.

1439
01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:02,720
But also it's also a little concerning, a little concerning.

1440
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:05,240
They're not open to the rest of the world yet.

1441
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:06,680
No, look there.

1442
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:12,560
Um, but you know, like the fact that you could for a long, you know, growing up as especially

1443
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:18,600
as well, I think, I think that's a very kind of important kind of thing for yourself, but

1444
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:22,240
also it's very interesting because you, you know, you went, you know, you're so fond of

1445
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:26,960
it, like the people here and, you know, and the projects that you involved yourself in

1446
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:32,880
and, you know, you've worked on some very weird and wacky things over the last few years.

1447
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:37,440
Do you think that's always going to be the trajectory of like, do you want something

1448
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:43,000
that particularly feels like culturally relatable to you as well to kind of show that side?

1449
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:45,600
Do you think that's something you'll work on one day?

1450
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:50,040
It doesn't necessarily have to be, but I would love to work on something that, um, you know,

1451
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:54,120
I can bring like parts of my culture to, you know, that kind of stuff isn't written.

1452
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:56,840
So I think it's something that I'm going to have to write myself.

1453
01:03:56,840 --> 01:04:01,240
I mean, I think that, yeah, I think, I think you should really, because I think that's

1454
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:04,400
like such an important thing.

1455
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:08,760
And I think that's like, particularly with the love of genres that I've always loved,

1456
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:13,400
you can teach yourself like, you know, through like sci-fi or drama or like stuff like that,

1457
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:18,880
or it's, you know, um, kind of just the layouts of how things work and how you feel about

1458
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:19,880
things.

1459
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:26,840
Um, do you like how, like, how good is your like Mandarin or your like Cantonese or anything

1460
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:27,840
like that?

1461
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:28,840
Um, yeah.

1462
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:29,840
So my Mandarin is like pretty acceptable.

1463
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:31,840
I would say like, I love that you say accepted.

1464
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:37,320
Like I can converse in it, but I don't think I would be able to like work at a business

1465
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:38,320
profession see.

1466
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:42,200
So you couldn't be like completely fluent with someone speaking fast Mandarin to you

1467
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:46,960
and you're like, um, look, I probably could, but okay, like I could, but it wouldn't be

1468
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:48,240
super sophisticated Mandarin.

1469
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:52,640
Like I could, I can definitely speak like very fast Mandarin and have a full on conversation,

1470
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:54,640
but it wouldn't be particularly sophisticated.

1471
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:58,520
Um, but it's, you know, like one of my friends was saying, she's a bit older than me and

1472
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:02,680
she was like, um, she was saying that like my Mandarin is probably the best that she's

1473
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:04,280
heard from someone in my generation.

1474
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:05,280
Really?

1475
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:07,720
My generation has, a lot of them have lost that.

1476
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:08,720
Yeah.

1477
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:11,080
The ability to speak their language.

1478
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:15,520
I mean, like this is more of a fascination for me than anything else, but would you ever

1479
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:17,280
like play someone who's bilingual?

1480
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:19,960
Like you want to be a character who's bilingual?

1481
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:20,960
Yes.

1482
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:22,800
And I have played a character that's bilingual, I believe.

1483
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:23,800
Oh sick.

1484
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:24,800
Yeah.

1485
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:25,800
In what?

1486
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:26,800
Just a short film.

1487
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:27,800
I think that I did.

1488
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,360
Maybe the second short film I did, she was bilingual.

1489
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:31,360
That's awesome.

1490
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:32,360
Yeah.

1491
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:33,360
Yeah.

1492
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:35,320
I absolutely, I mean, that is how I speak at home to my parents and stuff.

1493
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:37,920
We speak in Chinglish, we call it.

1494
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:38,920
Chinglish.

1495
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:39,920
Yeah.

1496
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:44,320
Respect that that is fractured English, fractured Chinese.

1497
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:45,320
Yeah.

1498
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:50,040
Um, I mean like, because how many in mainland China as well, how many languages are there?

1499
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:51,040
So many.

1500
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:52,040
Yeah.

1501
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:55,960
Cause like, you know, I remember in the nineties, early 2000 people, I sort of mentioned like

1502
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:56,960
Mandarin.

1503
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:57,960
Yeah.

1504
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:01,760
Mandarin is the, uh, the one that everyone learns in the whole country.

1505
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:05,680
Then there's different like dialects and stuff like that, that offshoot from Mandarin, but

1506
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:07,720
the written language is the same all across.

1507
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:08,720
Yeah.

1508
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:09,720
Yes.

1509
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:10,720
It's Chinese.

1510
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:11,720
Interesting.

1511
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:14,200
I mean, like even with Cantonese speakers, they still write, um, Chinese characters.

1512
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:15,200
Yeah.

1513
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:17,560
Although they write traditional Chinese characters because once again, they did not go through

1514
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:19,600
the communist party reforms and stuff.

1515
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:23,160
So their Chinese characters is traditional, not simplified.

1516
01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:24,160
Really?

1517
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:25,160
Yeah.

1518
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:26,160
Okay.

1519
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:29,280
So like, how good are you at reading like, you know, Chinese these days?

1520
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:31,000
I can read it, but quite slowly.

1521
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:32,000
Okay.

1522
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:33,000
Yeah.

1523
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:37,440
Have you ever seen anyone with tattoos that they think says something, but actually doesn't

1524
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:39,240
say that at all?

1525
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:42,320
No, I haven't seen a lot of, um, Chinese tattoos.

1526
01:06:42,320 --> 01:06:46,560
I see a lot of Japanese ones, I think, but even, uh, like ones that are Chinese, usually

1527
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:50,120
it just says like one word, which is like love or something like that.

1528
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:51,120
Okay.

1529
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:55,280
Cause I always like love when people get like words that they think have said one thing

1530
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:56,280
and then they're not.

1531
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:57,280
It actually means like prawn or something like that.

1532
01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:58,280
Yeah.

1533
01:06:58,280 --> 01:06:59,280
Yeah.

1534
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:00,280
Amazing.

1535
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:01,280
I'm like, you clearly translated very badly.

1536
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:05,000
And the tattoo artist was like, yeah, sure.

1537
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:06,000
It's so funny.

1538
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:07,000
Yeah.

1539
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:08,000
Like, I mean, sure.

1540
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:09,000
Tattoo is art.

1541
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:10,000
Whatever.

1542
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:11,000
Do what you like.

1543
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:12,000
Do what you want.

1544
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:13,000
If you want to have-

1545
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:14,000
Put instant noodle on your, on your chest if you like.

1546
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:15,000
Yeah, no, no one will care.

1547
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:22,000
I mean, like, do you, what's things though, as, as like, you know, an Australian, um,

1548
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:23,000
cause you were born here.

1549
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:24,000
You were like born in Sydney?

1550
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:25,000
I was born in Perth.

1551
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:26,000
You were a pass girl.

1552
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:27,000
I mean, not really.

1553
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:28,000
I grew up there till I was like 11 months or something.

1554
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:29,000
So I haven't been back since.

1555
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:30,000
But you're technically a pass girl.

1556
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:31,000
Let's, let's see here.

1557
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:32,000
It's on my, it's on my passport.

1558
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:33,000
You're correct.

1559
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:34,000
Yeah.

1560
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:35,000
So you're, you're technically like three hours behind everyone.

1561
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:36,000
Um, but you know, like-

1562
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:37,000
Same time zone as, um, Shanghai.

1563
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:38,000
Same time zone as China because China uses the same time zone all around, even though

1564
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:39,000
it's such a giant country.

1565
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:40,000
Which is so bizarre.

1566
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:41,000
It's so bizarre, right?

1567
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:42,000
They all use Beijing standard time or whatever it is.

1568
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:43,000
What the shit?

1569
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:44,000
China, get your act together.

1570
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:55,000
Learn what time zones are.

1571
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:58,000
Fucking hell.

1572
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:01,000
It's the same time zone as Perth.

1573
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:02,000
So yeah.

1574
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:03,600
I, I, I like all my family have been to China except for me.

1575
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:07,000
So I really cannot wait until I go to China and Hong Kong.

1576
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:09,000
Um, it is, it is planned one day.

1577
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:10,000
Yeah.

1578
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:11,000
Once they let people in.

1579
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:12,000
Yeah.

1580
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:13,000
No, once they actually let the fucking people-

1581
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:14,000
I mean, I love that you had to say the blue people.

1582
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:15,000
Oh yeah.

1583
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:16,000
Because I mean, does anyone talk about the blue Avatar anymore?

1584
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:17,000
Or like did people-

1585
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:18,000
Well, new movies coming out.

1586
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:19,000
So yeah.

1587
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:20,000
Oh, okay.

1588
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:21,000
Okay.

1589
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:22,000
Yeah.

1590
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:23,000
I mean, when I talk about Avatar, I talk about Avatar, the last airbender.

1591
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:24,000
Like that's assumed knowledge for me.

1592
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:27,000
Also what I love about that show is like, it was clearly made by America.

1593
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:29,000
Like it's such a good show though.

1594
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:30,000
It's so good.

1595
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:31,000
Legend of Korra Avatar.

1596
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:32,000
Oh my God.

1597
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:33,000
Legend of Korra.

1598
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:34,000
I love that.

1599
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:35,000
I love that.

1600
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:36,000
I love that.

1601
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:37,000
I love that.

1602
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:38,000
I love that.

1603
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:39,000
I love that.

1604
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:40,000
I love that.

1605
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:41,000
I love that.

1606
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:43,000
So you like Avatar, the last airbender?

1607
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:44,000
Oh my God, Legend of Korra.

1608
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:45,000
Oh my God.

1609
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:46,000
Legend of Korra is underrated.

1610
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:47,000
It's great.

1611
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:48,000
It's so good.

1612
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:49,000
Did it only get two or three seasons?

1613
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:50,000
Four seasons.

1614
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:51,000
Four?

1615
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:52,000
Yeah.

1616
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:53,000
Ooh.

1617
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:54,000
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1618
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:55,000
But each season was like short.

1619
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:56,000
It was like 12 episodes.

1620
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:57,000
Yeah.

1621
01:08:57,000 --> 01:08:58,000
It wasn't as long as the last airbender.

1622
01:08:58,000 --> 01:08:59,000
No.

1623
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:00,520
I think they're making another live action of it.

1624
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:03,600
I saw that they were making a live action of Avatar, the last airbender.

1625
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:04,600
Yes.

1626
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:10,080
I was like, honestly, like my dream role ever is Azula from Avatar, the last airbender.

1627
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:14,960
I love her. She is your, like she, she, she is like my definition of like, you know, a

1628
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:20,560
flawed character. She's so flawed and she's not just like this villain and you see like

1629
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:23,960
her upbringing with her. I mean, you've watched Avatar last year and I assume you know what

1630
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:27,360
I'm talking about. I'm not, I'm not just here talking to myself.

1631
01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:30,280
You're like, who am I?

1632
01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:34,000
So like how her and Zuko are both brought up by the same family, but the treatment of

1633
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:38,520
them and you know, was so different and how they go on about like, you know, processing

1634
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:42,840
that trauma and like how they go on those parts, you know, like Zuko, even though, you

1635
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:46,680
know, his father like did not like him and thought he was weak and stuff. He still had

1636
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:50,520
his mother's love, his uncle's love. So he was able to develop into this person who was

1637
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:55,960
then, you know, had, you know, was able to rule and then Ozula on the other side, she

1638
01:09:55,960 --> 01:10:00,080
basically only had her father's approval and stuff. She was constantly going after that.

1639
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:03,680
Her mother thought she was a monster. No one else loved her. And just the sad part of that

1640
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:06,200
led her down. Yeah.

1641
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:11,440
I mean, like this, this just explains what kind of characters you want to play. Yeah.

1642
01:10:11,440 --> 01:10:15,560
I mean, deeply damaged complex characters.

1643
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:20,120
No one's happy. They're just fucking miserable.

1644
01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:22,240
But also, Azula is a badass.

1645
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:25,000
Yeah. Would you ever like do your own stunts?

1646
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:27,000
Yes, absolutely.

1647
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,000
Are you very, are you a very fit person?

1648
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:35,440
You're like, what's a gym?

1649
01:10:35,440 --> 01:10:38,480
I do dance. So like stunts and dance probably work well together.

1650
01:10:38,480 --> 01:10:40,040
What kind of dance do you do?

1651
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:47,320
Like all sorts, like hip hop, mainly a little bit of contemporary. I do some Chinese traditional

1652
01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:53,200
dancing as well. And like, sort of like the modern version of jazz, which is not really

1653
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:58,080
like your typical jazz, but more so like choreography, like the K-pop styles that you see.

1654
01:10:58,080 --> 01:10:59,080
Sick.

1655
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:02,200
Yeah. That's something I picked up in lockdown actually.

1656
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:04,760
So you got all these, I love how many people picked up dancing.

1657
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:07,560
Yeah. It was like, it was the 2021 lockdowns I picked it up.

1658
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:09,040
Ah, you're the later one.

1659
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:10,040
Yeah, the later one.

1660
01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:11,040
Not the first one.

1661
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:14,960
Not the first one. I don't think we had that much time during 2020 lockdown to really pick

1662
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:15,960
up a skill.

1663
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:18,160
No, I feel like everyone was just mediocally depressed.

1664
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:20,680
We were just like waiting for it to be over.

1665
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:24,800
Yeah, it was a very sad day. And everyone just like rescheduling their entire lives.

1666
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:28,480
I actually miss those days where you could just actually plan your whole year out, like

1667
01:11:28,480 --> 01:11:29,480
from nothing. It was great.

1668
01:11:29,480 --> 01:11:32,680
I can't do that. I'm an actor. Like, you know, someone wants me.

1669
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:37,000
No, you could, I could barely lock you down for anything. The amount of times I've had

1670
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:38,000
to reschedule is like-

1671
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:41,000
It's because like I'll have an audition pop up and I'm like, oh, I have to do this audition

1672
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:42,000
now. You know what I mean?

1673
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:43,000
Yeah, no, you're just terrible.

1674
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:45,560
It's crazy. Yeah. Who knows where I'll be next week. I could be in like Puerto Rico next

1675
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:46,560
week. You know, I never know.

1676
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:49,760
How do you do it? How do you do it with that one?

1677
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:54,280
It's crazy because you like, you got to be flexible, but at the same time committed.

1678
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:58,440
Yeah. How do you lock yourself ever down to anything?

1679
01:11:58,440 --> 01:12:02,680
Yeah. So, you know, to my friends, I just have to be like, look, I make these plans,

1680
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:06,440
but just so you know, I will flake on them if something acting comes up.

1681
01:12:06,440 --> 01:12:07,440
Interesting.

1682
01:12:07,440 --> 01:12:10,640
Like I'm not a flaky person, but like priorities.

1683
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:12,120
Priorities. Yeah.

1684
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:13,880
I love that. You're a priority.

1685
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:19,160
Yeah. It's like, it's not my fault. They want me last minute.

1686
01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:24,840
Just it's just their fault. It's just, it's just the fucking agency guys. Just cause I'm

1687
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:31,120
so damn good. But like, you know, planning holidays is quite hard that way.

1688
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:32,520
Yeah. I imagine, you know, because.

1689
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:35,480
Cause all my friends work in corporate. So they're just like, oh yes. We're going to

1690
01:12:35,480 --> 01:12:40,240
take this time off. And I'm like, cool. Like I will plan this with you, but you know, if

1691
01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:42,160
something comes up, I will flake.

1692
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:47,280
Oh my God. I mean, what's it, what's been, what's been your biggest, like, what are you

1693
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:51,360
looking forward to over the next year in terms of projects? What are you looking forward

1694
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:52,360
to next year?

1695
01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:58,640
You know, I have nothing lined up, so I have no idea. I have no idea. I'm just auditioning.

1696
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:04,280
I'm currently, you know, looking to get my O1 visa for the U S and I will be going to

1697
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:10,520
the U S for just another little, like, I guess just to stay for it for a bit and just, you

1698
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:13,560
know, bask in the creative energy of LA.

1699
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:15,320
Really? So like for a few months?

1700
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:17,120
Maybe like a month or two. Yeah.

1701
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:18,760
Whereabouts in LA?

1702
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:20,600
I mean, probably West Hollywood.

1703
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:26,000
Yeah. I mean, it's interesting as well because like LA is the city of lights that everyone

1704
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:28,280
talks about, but it's really shit city.

1705
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:29,280
I love it.

1706
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:30,280
Why?

1707
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:34,960
I like, cause recently I went, right? And I just, I mean, first of all, it was miserable

1708
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:39,160
and raining in Sydney. I go to LA, it's like sunshine. It's like coming into summer and

1709
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:43,320
it was just gorgeous. I mean, look, the pollution is quite bad, but I find the people there

1710
01:13:43,320 --> 01:13:48,880
very warm and like it's very much, it's very much a place you can just be yourself. Like

1711
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:52,280
no one has any inhibitions. Like no one's going to judge you. You can do whatever you

1712
01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:55,680
like there and no one will judge you. Whereas I feel like Sydney's still does have a bit

1713
01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:58,960
of like uppity judgment and all that.

1714
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:01,440
We're just assholes here. Let's be passive aggressive.

1715
01:14:01,440 --> 01:14:03,480
Yeah. Okay. There's a lot of that in Sydney.

1716
01:14:03,480 --> 01:14:06,200
A lot of that in Australia in general, just passive aggressiveness.

1717
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:07,800
Is that why you want to move?

1718
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:12,360
I mean, no, look, I don't want to move because I do love Sydney. Like Sydney's my home and

1719
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:16,160
I love Sydney, but you know, it's good to change up the environment every now and then.

1720
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:20,120
I think it's good for our creative soul.

1721
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:27,400
The simmering soul that you... I mean, like if you're hoping for anything in the next

1722
01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:31,600
10 years, like where are you hoping to sort of be? Is there particular avenues that, you

1723
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:35,360
know, because you talk about wanting to get into film and you know, like, do you want

1724
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:38,920
to step away from theatre or you want to like stay in theatre as well?

1725
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:43,560
I love theatre as well. Like theatre performing is such a different sort of craft. I mean,

1726
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:49,360
not really. It's just like the audience, being able to feel an audience's energy is incredible.

1727
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:53,680
And like, you know, it's quite like emotional as well when you like have that audience just

1728
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:58,960
responding to you like in real time. But I love, like I also really am passionate about

1729
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:05,400
film and TV. And I think with theatre, like not as many people will go and watch it, you

1730
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:09,400
know, and so you don't have as much of a reach or influence. Whereas with film and TV, if

1731
01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:12,160
you really want to talk about like society's issues or like, you know, break down those

1732
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:15,680
barriers, I think film and TV is really where it has to be done because people will, you

1733
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:19,000
know, turn on Netflix, turn on Stan, whatever, and watch those things and be like, oh, hey,

1734
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:23,880
that's me. Like, yeah, like I can relate to this person. And so I think film and TV is

1735
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:25,440
very special in that way.

1736
01:15:25,440 --> 01:15:30,320
I love that. I mean, like, you know, what about like, because I know, you know, you

1737
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:34,960
talk about what I talk a lot about radio, which I love. Do you think radio is something

1738
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:36,440
that you'll ever like really?

1739
01:15:36,440 --> 01:15:38,240
Radio? What like Kyle and Jackie Oh?

1740
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:43,160
No, not Kyle and Jackie Oh. I mean, like doing like radio plays and performance stuff and

1741
01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:45,800
based on radio. Do you think that's some avenue that you'll ever?

1742
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:49,920
Oh my god, that sounds really exciting. And hell yeah. Like, oh my god, I would do like

1743
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:55,200
audio books too. I love audio books. And I really, I yeah, and I just, I love how like,

1744
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:59,080
you know, I like, especially when you're listening to like a fantasy book or something like that,

1745
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:01,360
and they're playing like multiple roles. And I'm like, oh my god, that's so interesting

1746
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:06,160
how they like, you know, manipulate their voice to like do this and do that. Yeah, I

1747
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:09,360
would love that too. So yeah, radio plays, that's kind of similar, right?

1748
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:13,640
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, like audio. Just imagine you sitting there with an audio book

1749
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:16,840
and just going, I'm narrating Twilight actually.

1750
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:23,360
This explains why there's a new Twilight audio book coming out. Liz doing that.

1751
01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:27,920
I'm going to upload onto YouTube for free. And I'll be sued by Stephanie Meyer.

1752
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:33,120
Yeah, I know. Only Stephanie Meyer. Not the company and not the people who made the film.

1753
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:40,520
Stephanie Meyer. Because she's the only one who would care. I mean, before we wrap up

1754
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:44,120
though, I want to talk a little bit about like, you know, social media and everything,

1755
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:47,920
you know, because we touched a bit on that about like, but how do you use social media

1756
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:49,760
to kind of like, because you're terrible at messages.

1757
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:52,160
I'm terrible at social media too.

1758
01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:57,280
Like how do you, how do you keep on top of projects and stuff with, you know, the terribleness

1759
01:16:57,280 --> 01:16:58,280
of social media?

1760
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:01,840
Oh, thank God I have agents because they're the ones who like email me the projects and

1761
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:06,000
stuff like that because I'm, I don't find any projects through social media.

1762
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:07,000
Really?

1763
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:11,200
No, I don't think so. I mean, social media, I really just use, look, I'm trying to get

1764
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:15,240
better at it. I'm trying to like build a brand or whatever, like curate my Instagram and

1765
01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:18,400
stuff. I'm just like very bad at posting on Instagram. Ever since like stories came out,

1766
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:21,160
I just get lazy and I occasionally post a story every now and then.

1767
01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:22,360
Yeah, mostly about your dog.

1768
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:26,920
Mostly about my dog. That is not the only part of my personality. You'll be surprised

1769
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:27,920
to find out.

1770
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:28,920
A little bit.

1771
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:34,000
My dog also has an Instagram, which I'm really terrible at posting on as well.

1772
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:35,000
Oh, of course it does.

1773
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:39,520
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So look, I'm not very good at social media, but I think I mostly use

1774
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:45,520
it to like just scroll when I'm bored and watch reels and stuff like that. And, you

1775
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:51,120
know, look at astrology memes because I love that.

1776
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:55,840
I love that that came out of nowhere. It was like astrology memes. What is it about astrology

1777
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:58,200
that you love so much?

1778
01:17:58,200 --> 01:18:03,560
I don't know. Like I think it's just like being like, oh yeah, I relate to that. Yeah,

1779
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:09,160
that's me. Oh, that explains so much. I can explain everything away with astrology.

1780
01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:14,480
Do you ever stand at home in front of a mirror and just talk to yourself?

1781
01:18:14,480 --> 01:18:19,560
I definitely have done that before. But it's not a common occurrence, but yes, I have done

1782
01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:20,560
that before.

1783
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:25,080
This would, if it was a common occurrence, I would be like, I feel like it is a common

1784
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:28,360
occurrence though. I feel like it's just a kind of thing that you do.

1785
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:31,800
No, I actually don't, but that's really interesting. But like, what would I talk about all day

1786
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:35,840
to myself in the mirror? I don't know. I talk to my dog sometimes.

1787
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:38,400
Yeah, I think that's pretty normal of people.

1788
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:40,400
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1789
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:44,160
What's the strangest thing you've done alone, actually? That's my question.

1790
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:46,160
What's the strangest thing I've done alone?

1791
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:47,160
Yeah.

1792
01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:54,160
I have no idea. What's okay. Tell me is something strange you've done alone. So that just like

1793
01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:55,840
inspires my brain somehow.

1794
01:18:55,840 --> 01:19:04,600
Strangest thing I've done alone? I used to, when I was younger, I used to like pretend

1795
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:09,560
I was dying, which was always quite fun. I used to love that. So when I was younger,

1796
01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:15,680
I used to sort of like do this cool thing, which was trying to sort of learn how to throw

1797
01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:20,280
myself backwards and trust that instinct of just like, ricocheting. I was interested in

1798
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:22,320
like stunts and dying and stuff like that.

1799
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:23,320
Wow.

1800
01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:25,480
So I always wanted to do things like that when I was younger.

1801
01:19:25,480 --> 01:19:29,400
Well, I feel like, okay, I'm an actor, right? So a lot of the time I do do a lot of strange

1802
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:36,160
things alone. So like, yes, so I guess I've, you know, just practiced crying alone and

1803
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:39,320
stuff like that. Like, I don't know if that's that strange.

1804
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:40,320
Can you cry on cue?

1805
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:44,080
It depends. Like sometimes, yes, but not always.

1806
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:46,960
What's the what's the what's been actually, here's a good question. What has been the

1807
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:51,600
hardest thing to perform a scene in a short film? Like what short film has been the hardest

1808
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:52,600
to perform?

1809
01:19:52,600 --> 01:20:04,320
Hmm, I don't feel like okay, I feel like scenes where you have to explode. Oh, I know. Oh

1810
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:09,800
my gosh. So I did a short film recently where I had to explode and yell at this seven year

1811
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:15,400
old child. That was very difficult. She was so sweet. She was so lovely. We bonded so

1812
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:19,600
much. And then I had to do the scene where I was just absolutely going off at her and

1813
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:23,640
yelling and so angry and I was I felt horrible. We had to do take after take and I was like,

1814
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:26,680
oh my god, can I not yell at her in this take? Because the coverage is not on me. She's like,

1815
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:30,120
no, but you have to. So she gets the reaction. I'm like, oh my god, but I feel so horrible

1816
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:33,840
because she's like this seven year old who looks four years old and she's just so sweet.

1817
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:37,880
So that was like the hardest. Definitely. Yeah.

1818
01:20:37,880 --> 01:20:40,960
That's that's I mean, had to get through it in the end.

1819
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:46,280
Oh my god. I think so what happened was, after we did all her coverage, she left set because

1820
01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:49,720
they're only allowed to be on set for a certain amount of hours. And then when they did my

1821
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:52,440
coverage, I was really just yelling at a dot. So that was like, I was like, okay, now I

1822
01:20:52,440 --> 01:20:57,880
can really unleash because otherwise I felt really terrible straight up yelling at her

1823
01:20:57,880 --> 01:21:03,520
face. Yeah, I can imagine. Because that is just awful. I know. Oh my god. She was so

1824
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:09,800
sweet. After every take, I would just like hug her. I'm like, I'm so sorry.

1825
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:15,060
Jesus. This is and this is how you run a set kids. This is how you yell at a person. Never

1826
01:21:15,060 --> 01:21:21,160
let Liz near your kids. She will yell. I mean, did you have to go actually did you have to

1827
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:24,800
go through a working with children's check for that? I do have a working with yeah. Yeah.

1828
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:29,000
Yeah. Yeah. So that was yes, you did have to have that. Yeah. Yeah. Because I feel like

1829
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:32,800
that's you know, especially because of COVID and stuff like that's been really sort of

1830
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:36,840
taken into account of how many paperwork's done. Everyone on set had to have a working

1831
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:42,000
with. Yeah. Yes. It's very easy. It's $50 for like, I think three years or something.

1832
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:46,760
Yeah. Yeah. It's like three, four. Yeah. Yeah. Covers you like, get it people. If you don't

1833
01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:50,200
have it, just get it. Yeah, just get it. I work with kids quite a lot though, because

1834
01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:55,600
my side job is like I'm tutoring. So what do you tutor math and English? That would

1835
01:21:55,600 --> 01:22:01,280
be fun. Are you good at either of them? Yes, I am, which is why I do it. But I also enjoy

1836
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:05,920
it. Like I do enjoy like high school math and English. It's quite fun. And English like

1837
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:10,160
sometimes, you know, sometimes I'll do Shakespeare and stuff. And I'm like, I can lend my acting

1838
01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:20,320
knowledge to this. Yeah. Look how it works. Small child, you'll learn from me. Is that

1839
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:27,960
how you are? No. Have you ever made kids laugh when you're tutoring them as well? Yeah,

1840
01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:33,120
I do definitely. I mean, it depends. Like, you know, the older kids, I feel like I can

1841
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:39,120
relate to them a little bit more because you know, they're like 15 or whatever. And they,

1842
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:42,800
I can talk to them more about like their life and stuff like that. The younger kids, I just

1843
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:46,760
got to be careful. I don't freaking swear around them. Yeah, because fuck that. And

1844
01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:51,200
yeah, you can you can tell like, you know, it was like someone asked me, it's like, is

1845
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:56,800
this a kids friendly content? I was like, fuck no. But it was so crazy. I remember,

1846
01:22:56,800 --> 01:23:00,080
like I teach like sometimes like seven, eight year olds. And I remember when Squid Game

1847
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:03,500
was a huge thing. They were all talking about Squid Game. And I'm like, you are watching

1848
01:23:03,500 --> 01:23:07,680
Squid Game? That is so violent for a seven year old. Oh, I wouldn't even be caught dead

1849
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:11,520
watching. It's like the South Park was banned in my house. And I was like, well, and it's

1850
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:14,680
really interesting that people like I talked to some people like, why was that banned in

1851
01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:19,320
your house? I'm like, because it is not appropriate for kids. Of course, it looks like a kid's

1852
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:24,200
cartoon, but it is not. Yeah, exactly. But kids these days are watching very mature stuff.

1853
01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:28,240
So I know it's kind of scary. Yeah, it is scary. And they were also spoiling Squid Game

1854
01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:32,040
for me. That was really annoying. So was it the fact that they were watching it was because

1855
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:35,240
they were spoiling it? Yeah. Oh, my god, it was so annoying. I was like, I was like, I'm

1856
01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:40,360
only on the second episode, stop it. And they were like, this is not a spoiler. I promise.

1857
01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:47,400
But this person died. Literally. I was like, ah, fuck you, child. I know. You're the demon.

1858
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:50,760
You're the devil, child. But children are very fun. And there's always a lot to learn

1859
01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:56,360
from them. That's true. I mean, like, you know, they're terrors. Their fascination with

1860
01:23:56,360 --> 01:24:00,420
the world is very interesting. And like, you know, they'll like they'll be like, oh, Liz,

1861
01:24:00,420 --> 01:24:04,600
have you ever heard of this type of shark? Do they have this type of shark? Like in Australia,

1862
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:07,960
whatever, because sometimes I will tutor kids from overseas, because it'll be over. Yeah.

1863
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:13,440
I mean, not zoom over like online platform. And I'll be like, yes, we do have that shark

1864
01:24:13,440 --> 01:24:17,680
in Australia. And also, I've never heard of that shark before. But look, Google told

1865
01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:24,960
me. Yeah. Google said yes. So I believe it. Exactly. Oh, my god. Oh, my god. I love that.

1866
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:31,840
I love that you tutor kids. This makes it like so wholesome. Just a wholesome person.

1867
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:38,600
I can tell. All right, my final question. My final question for you is where can people

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find you where they can? Where can they stalk you on the internet? My Instagram is maybe

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Liz Lin. Why is it maybe? Okay, it's maybe Liz Lin, because there's no other way I can

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01:24:49,440 --> 01:24:52,960
have my name Liz Lin, because I used to have Liz Lin with a double N. But then people kept

1871
01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:56,480
thinking my last name was with a double N. And that was really annoying. So then I was

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01:24:56,480 --> 01:24:59,600
like, okay, let me try like Liz dot Lin, or Liz underscore Lin, or Liz Lin underscore

1873
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:03,280
and like all of those are unavailable. And the person who has the handle Liz Lin has

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not been on Instagram since 2011. So I'm like, I'm like periodically going on Instagram

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and like reporting her so that she can get her Instagram removed. So I can have that

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username. So like, if you're listening to this podcast, please go on Liz at Liz Lin,

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01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:23,480
Instagram and report that user for like being an impersonator. Oh, my god, the dedication

1878
01:25:23,480 --> 01:25:29,160
and ridicule that you're going through to get that. I want that Instagram handle. It's

1879
01:25:29,160 --> 01:25:34,840
not fair. She doesn't even use Instagram anymore. Oh, my god. I've learned so much

1880
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about how like, how much you're gonna get removed. So that's how I use social media

1881
01:25:39,200 --> 01:25:44,040
actually guys. I just report this person who has my username. Yeah, I know. Clearly YouTube

1882
01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:51,280
and reporting people on Instagram. And do you have a website? I don't have a website.

1883
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:57,040
Do you think you'll get a website? Maybe maybe if I like become like, like a multi hyphenate

1884
01:25:57,040 --> 01:26:00,960
of a get a website. But if I'm just an actor, probably not. Because we have like IMDb Pro

1885
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:05,200
like show cast, casting networks and all that kind of stuff. Show cast is so good and IMDb

1886
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:09,840
Pro. Yeah, exactly. So I don't want to pay for another subscription. No, that's a lot

1887
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:15,280
already. So like, fuck that. Exactly. Actually, like that's one thing that no one talks about

1888
01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:19,360
is how expensive it is to be in the creative industry and how much God seriously and it's

1889
01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:23,240
hard to explain to other people as well. It's like, yes, I am paying all this money to do

1890
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a class and no, I am not booking any acting jobs. Like, how do you cover it? It's like,

1891
01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:33,640
I don't. I just cry at night when I financially can't eat. That is why I'm a tutor. Yeah,

1892
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:39,680
this is how I make some side cast. Shut up. It's just so weird to explain to people that

1893
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:44,440
you're like, putting all this investing money into a career. But yeah, at the moment, you

1894
01:26:44,440 --> 01:26:48,840
might not be showing like seeing like monetary returns, but there are like other milestones

1895
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:52,520
that you're hitting, like, you know, you might be called back to that casting director, like,

1896
01:26:52,520 --> 01:26:56,080
repeatedly that that's a huge thing. But you know, they don't understand that that's like

1897
01:26:56,080 --> 01:27:01,200
something that is, you know, an achievement. They just see them like they just like you

1898
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make money from it. Yeah, I've been asked that question for years. And the answer is

1899
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no. I've been asking myself that question for years. It's like, you can either you can

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either be poor. And that's it. Well, I mean, you can't take your money to the grave. So

1901
01:27:19,480 --> 01:27:24,000
who cares? I know it's really you know, and and the only thing is, you can tell your children

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01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:28,760
just like you're not getting a cent of it if you have kids, which is an honest truth.

1903
01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:33,640
Nine times out of 10. I don't I feel like if I have like when I have kids, I'm gonna

1904
01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:40,440
be like, hmm, you might have some money, but not a lot. I mean, there is inheritance taxes

1905
01:27:40,440 --> 01:27:43,400
there as well. Yeah, there is I think. So like, you know, maybe leaving money to your

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01:27:43,400 --> 01:27:53,720
kids is not a good thing. Too shy. I think about that. Oh, my God. Thank you so much

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01:27:53,720 --> 01:27:57,040
for joining me. Thank you for having me. This is a lot of fun. I'm glad you're listening

1908
01:27:57,040 --> 01:28:01,120
to my own voice in my head for like the last hour or something. You're like, this is beautiful.

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01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:06,880
Like, this is what I sound like. Wow. I should be an ASMR artist. You could do some ASMR

1910
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:16,760
now. Yeah. Is that your version of ASMR? Crazy. I remember like watching like a turtle like

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eat a carrot or something like that. And I was like, Oh, my God, this is really soothing.

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But if it was a human eating a carrot, that's not soothing at all. Noted. This is what this

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01:28:24,360 --> 01:28:29,160
is. This is this is what you look up in YouTube. No, it's just like my friends will send me

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things or sometimes like the things I look up. I actually don't look up anything on YouTube.

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I just get I just go on like my recommended and then like, I watch them in the deep dark

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01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:51,400
web. Yeah, exactly. Oh, my God. I just need to process that. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I

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just love user generated content. This explains so much. And yeah, I'm just processing this.

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I don't know why that shocked me so much. I was like, what? What? You don't watch vlogs.

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I love watching. I haven't watched vlogs in years. Vlogs are so good. I love watching

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01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:15,800
people just do mundane things in their life. Like, it's actually I don't know why I just

1921
01:29:15,800 --> 01:29:21,600
love it. That explains so much. I mean, like, look, you know, this this maybe you should

1922
01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:31,360
start making some art. Yeah, nah. Nah, nah, nah. Nah, passing that. Like, I don't understand

1923
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:36,040
why people watch like mukbang mukbang mukbang videos. Oh, yeah. Yeah, because I can't stand

1924
01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:42,520
like listening to people chew their foods. Yeah, it's really disturbing. Oh, I can just

1925
01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:47,280
hear the saliva slapping across your teeth. Like, it's just not pleasant. And people like

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01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:53,480
watch that while they're eating and I'm like, yeah, that's please don't please don't. I

1927
01:29:53,480 --> 01:29:56,840
don't want to hear you chewing. It's like when I watch films and all I hear is people

1928
01:29:56,840 --> 01:30:01,960
like being quiet and start whispering. Oh, my god. I know all I hear is like, and I'm

1929
01:30:01,960 --> 01:30:05,920
like, fuck off. Oh, my god. That's so funny. It's like, like, I mean, I'm conscious of

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01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:09,280
this too. Like sometimes, you know, when people smile and they have like a like a mouth noise

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01:30:09,280 --> 01:30:14,360
and they smile. Yeah, like that. Yeah. I mean, that doesn't irritate me or anything like

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that. I just it's fascinating. You're like, please don't. It's just fascinating. Like

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the noises that our body makes unconsciously. You know what I mean? It's just so fascinating.

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Now I'm just gonna like you're gonna listen back to this light. Oh, there's a noise. Oh,

1935
01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:37,040
that does sound like a noise. Maybe I should be like a sound mixer or something. That would

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be fun. I could see you doing. I think I would get a headache from having headphones on all

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day. Yeah, yeah, they do get tiring. Yeah. But thank you so much for joining. Thank you.

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I'm sorry. I've just been talking for ages. I love it. And if you want to go and check

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out more episodes of the things we do, you can check them out on Apple and Spotify. I'll

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be speaking with another guest next week and I'll speak to you all later. Goodbye.